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| SueAnnan |
2019-04-24T17:51:35 |
ERROR CORRECTION -ELF, when/how#ELTchat starts in 10 minutesRemember to use the hashtag |
| MoreMsJackson |
2019-04-24T17:55:04 |
@SueAnnan Hi #ELTchat, really interesting topic tonight! |
| SueAnnan |
2019-04-24T17:55:36 |
@MarekKiczkowiak We are talking about error correction in ELF tonight on #ELTChat. Come and share your knowledge w… https://t.co/p9gsCHjCmC |
| SueAnnan |
2019-04-24T17:56:14 |
@MoreMsJackson Great to see you. #ELTchat Yes, an interesting topic to look at |
| MoreMsJackson |
2019-04-24T18:04:12 |
When considering error correction in ELF contexts, should we consider there are several variables - who Ss will be… https://t.co/QqEYHtw94Z |
| EWorld2019 |
2019-04-24T18:05:01 |
@SueAnnan Hello everyone! Looking forward to sharing ideas with all of you #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2019-04-24T18:05:34 |
Some good points there Elisabeth.I would also add their own L1 to that list #ELTchat |
| fionaljp |
2019-04-24T18:05:44 |
@EWorld2019 @SueAnnan Hello #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2019-04-24T18:06:09 |
@fionaljp @EWorld2019 Hi Fi #ELTchat |
| fionaljp |
2019-04-24T18:06:40 |
@SueAnnan @EWorld2019 Hi Sue #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2019-04-24T18:07:18 |
The ELF core makes a lot of sense and stops sts from stressing about things that don't really impact communication. #eltchat |
| ddeubel |
2019-04-24T18:09:01 |
Over my career I've completely reversed my views. No correction unless for affective/motivational reasons. Research… https://t.co/ocOCK2wkpz |
| SueAnnan |
2019-04-24T18:09:47 |
@ddeubel I agree up to a point. I correct if students ask #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2019-04-24T18:11:30 |
It is surprising how little English you need to make communication work. ELF is helpful, but it depends on what the… https://t.co/JLOsNWoItt |
| EWorld2019 |
2019-04-24T18:11:57 |
@ddeubel I would agree, some mistakes might just be insignificant when dealing with effective communication #ELTchat |
| MoreMsJackson |
2019-04-24T18:12:30 |
@SueAnnan Yes! Pronunciation especially. There are several things that could be corrected (or not): grammar, vocab… https://t.co/nfwEWU2o5g |
| ddeubel |
2019-04-24T18:13:11 |
I do think that some students WANT error correction and expect it so that's part of what we have to do .... #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2019-04-24T18:13:15 |
@MoreMsJackson With my French students it tends to be pronunciation that needs help #ELTchat |
| fionaljp |
2019-04-24T18:14:31 |
@MoreMsJackson @SueAnnan Agree, pronunciation errors can impede message #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2019-04-24T18:15:33 |
@fionaljp @MoreMsJackson you ave no idee . Lol #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2019-04-24T18:16:16 |
#ELTchat Remember the hashtag, please https://t.co/8W6fhDIpYp |
| MoreMsJackson |
2019-04-24T18:17:03 |
@fionaljp @SueAnnan Yes, though it depends on L1. It was a huge problem with my students from Vietnam but Bulgarian… https://t.co/SmyQcdy63R |
| SueAnnan |
2019-04-24T18:17:04 |
#ELTchat https://t.co/PWxn8ljyoj |
| ddeubel |
2019-04-24T18:17:13 |
I think we also have to differentiate between "correction" (which is usually one isolated case) and "remediation" w… https://t.co/Cyw3tNCU7W |
| EWorld2019 |
2019-04-24T18:18:29 |
@fionaljp @MoreMsJackson @SueAnnan Yes, I agree. It might be necessary to pay special attention to pronunciation in… https://t.co/asydBhU9rH |
| fionaljp |
2019-04-24T18:18:36 |
@ddeubel Good to negotiate #ELTchat and maybe ask them if they can specify what pronunciation areas they feel they need to work on |
| ddeubel |
2019-04-24T18:19:37 |
Has anyone had success with having students correct each other? #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2019-04-24T18:19:52 |
@MoreMsJackson @fionaljp I agree that L1 needs to be taken into consideration. #ELTCHat |
| ddeubel |
2019-04-24T18:20:32 |
True. But I've often found it the case - most students don't know what they need or want ..... unfortunately.… https://t.co/UNRiekuBlb |
| MoreMsJackson |
2019-04-24T18:21:11 |
@haannaahmac @EWorld2019 @SueAnnan Great question #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2019-04-24T18:21:16 |
@ddeubel I haven't had success, but I have had problems, especially if the help is unsolicited #ELTchat |
| fionaljp |
2019-04-24T18:21:27 |
Your #ELTchat topic won the twitter vote @jonjoTESOL Hope you can make tonight! https://t.co/gbp3fkkCLm |
| ddeubel |
2019-04-24T18:22:50 |
@SueAnnan I have never tried it either but could be done confidentially. A way for students to start to notice lan… https://t.co/sDy2wq7vEQ |
| EWorld2019 |
2019-04-24T18:23:17 |
@ddeubel No, not so far but could definitely be interesting as they might also need to become more familiar with a… https://t.co/T5hXYTBG2F |
| MoreMsJackson |
2019-04-24T18:23:35 |
@ddeubel Yes, plenty, in supportive groups #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2019-04-24T18:23:43 |
@ddeubel At the moment I have a group of multinationals who all profess to not understand each other. It is driving me insane. #ELTchat |
| ddeubel |
2019-04-24T18:24:22 |
Also I wonder why most teachers are willing to correct teens/adults but not children??? Why the difference? #ELTchat |
| MoreMsJackson |
2019-04-24T18:25:34 |
@haannaahmac @ddeubel I've shifted from looking for errors to correct to looking for gaps that needed to be filled… https://t.co/Y8VCYUk5ki |
| ddeubel |
2019-04-24T18:26:04 |
RT @MoreMsJackson: @haannaahmac @ddeubel I've shifted from looking for errors to correct to looking for gaps that needed to be filled - wha… |
| SueAnnan |
2019-04-24T18:26:26 |
@ddeubel surely it would be easier to correct YLs? #eltchat |
| fionaljp |
2019-04-24T18:26:43 |
@ddeubel I know, but maybe they could be guided to think about specifics, record themselves, answer Qs eg do you ne… https://t.co/HLVyDH6Uc0 |
| MoreMsJackson |
2019-04-24T18:27:09 |
@ddeubel Really? I correct adults and children, but am more careful about correcting teens #ELTchat |
| haannaahmac |
2019-04-24T18:27:26 |
RT @MoreMsJackson: @haannaahmac @ddeubel I've shifted from looking for errors to correct to looking for gaps that needed to be filled - wha… |
| haannaahmac |
2019-04-24T18:28:08 |
@MoreMsJackson @ddeubel Does this normally lend itself more to vocabulary than grammar if we’re talking ELF? #ELTchat |
| EWorld2019 |
2019-04-24T18:28:18 |
@MoreMsJackson @haannaahmac @ddeubel Sounds like a good strategy to me #ELTchat |
| ddeubel |
2019-04-24T18:28:31 |
@SueAnnan Yes, agree. But I think most assume children will just "pick it up right" later. #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2019-04-24T18:29:23 |
@ddeubel you could end up with fossilised errors like that! #ELTchat |
| ddeubel |
2019-04-24T18:30:05 |
@MoreMsJackson I think some of this happens because we assume a different role/hat as a teacher when teaching different ages. #ELTchat |
| MoreMsJackson |
2019-04-24T18:31:35 |
@haannaahmac @ddeubel Yes. I tend to teach lexically anyway, so this fits. #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2019-04-24T18:31:58 |
I suppose we need to really know the needs of our students before going down the ELF route. IF we are clear, then… https://t.co/N9IU9iS4z0 |
| fionaljp |
2019-04-24T18:32:07 |
@SueAnnan @ddeubel That’s why I think error correction would be more meaningful if they could identify specific pro… https://t.co/RjtAmwQbO2 |
| EWorld2019 |
2019-04-24T18:32:31 |
@MoreMsJackson @ddeubel Yes, teens can lose their motivation very quickly so yes, you kind of have to be rather careful about that! #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2019-04-24T18:33:13 |
@fionaljp @ddeubel THat's a BIG if #ELTchat |
| MoreMsJackson |
2019-04-24T18:33:34 |
Yes, starting from their needs! #ELTchat https://t.co/S0hEJmCgtQ |
| ddeubel |
2019-04-24T18:34:22 |
I also think that a teacher's approach towards correction is really a reflection of and close tied to their underly… https://t.co/La742Jep5I |
| fionaljp |
2019-04-24T18:35:03 |
@SueAnnan @ddeubel Oh yes, agree - not saying easy but just saying would be more meaningful #ELTchat |
| MoreMsJackson |
2019-04-24T18:35:17 |
RT @ddeubel: I also think that a teacher's approach towards correction is really a reflection of and close tied to their underlying beliefs… |
| MoreMsJackson |
2019-04-24T18:35:46 |
@ddeubel I hadn't thought of it that way before, but you're so right #ELTchat |
| fionaljp |
2019-04-24T18:36:20 |
@SueAnnan @ddeubel and I do mean from learners who have identified they want to be corrected #ELTchat |
| ddeubel |
2019-04-24T18:36:52 |
Also - research supports more "immediate correction" but often very hard to do in the classroom context. Also - se… https://t.co/YkxnulBX9g |
| haannaahmac |
2019-04-24T18:37:38 |
RT @ddeubel: Also - research supports more "immediate correction" but often very hard to do in the classroom context. Also - sensitive/per… |
| Marisa_C |
2019-04-24T18:38:01 |
Does correction actually work - is the big questions - here is a research paper about correction… https://t.co/52UST0ucBm |
| ddeubel |
2019-04-24T18:38:14 |
@fionaljp @SueAnnan I think that is a good point. Do we all know which students WANT correction? And those that don… https://t.co/XLW0SSw4dT |
| MoreMsJackson |
2019-04-24T18:38:53 |
@ddeubel Research also supports the opportunity to self-correct if I'm not wrong #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2019-04-24T18:39:26 |
@skrashen does correction really work? Recall some research you did on the role of pleasure and class reading - cor… https://t.co/OgGOTrfAJh |
| haannaahmac |
2019-04-24T18:39:40 |
@ddeubel @fionaljp @SueAnnan Yes, definitely needed at the start and then also useful at various points just to che… https://t.co/hdALGFUyxz |
| Marisa_C |
2019-04-24T18:40:41 |
#ELTchat that point related to error correction in writing - which possibly less significant in #ELF as the written… https://t.co/uU2L0vNaPK |
| fionaljp |
2019-04-24T18:41:00 |
@ddeubel @SueAnnan Yes, and that could be step 1 to negotiating the ‘what’ #ELTchat and ‘how' |
| MoreMsJackson |
2019-04-24T18:41:09 |
RT @haannaahmac: @ddeubel @fionaljp @SueAnnan Yes, definitely needed at the start and then also useful at various points just to check if s… |
| EWorld2019 |
2019-04-24T18:43:02 |
@Marisa_C @skrashen Very true, correction should not be cutting into the time actively spent learning. Maybe give a… https://t.co/TXuf9FvZXT |
| ddeubel |
2019-04-24T18:43:18 |
@MoreMsJackson Yes. That is really the goal as with all teaching. The teacher disappears and there is student autonomy. #ELTchat |
| ddeubel |
2019-04-24T18:43:45 |
Comments are good to the same question posed by Scott Thornbury here - remembered this from a few years back.… https://t.co/znu6X4lNCa |
| MoreMsJackson |
2019-04-24T18:44:12 |
@fionaljp @ddeubel @SueAnnan Step 2 could be showing Ss what that correction really means. I used to do a first day… https://t.co/oY0JetO4qK |
| SueAnnan |
2019-04-24T18:44:47 |
@fionaljp @ddeubel The what is clear but often doesn't need correcting if we work on ELF principles #ELTchat |
| MoreMsJackson |
2019-04-24T18:47:28 |
@SueAnnan @fionaljp @ddeubel In ELF principles, what needs correcting is something which would affect meaning and o… https://t.co/WWTzqkVVbg |
| fionaljp |
2019-04-24T18:47:38 |
@ddeubel @MoreMsJackson Yes, recording yourself is so useful for self correction #ELTchat - almost immediate, private , and autonomous |
| Marisa_C |
2019-04-24T18:49:09 |
For me the main question is "Do your Ss know you are teaching them ELF?" was it their choice? The nationality of th… https://t.co/yxSHBzV5K3 |
| fionaljp |
2019-04-24T18:49:44 |
@MoreMsJackson @SueAnnan @ddeubel Yes, this is what I mean - pronunciation issues that could impede communication #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2019-04-24T18:49:50 |
@MoreMsJackson @fionaljp @ddeubel Absolutely. But I rarely find that a problem. It is just me wanting their English… https://t.co/xs82iwcVaB |
| MoreMsJackson |
2019-04-24T18:50:07 |
@haannaahmac @ddeubel Although, teaching lexically presents problems - what chunks do you teach/input? Native speak… https://t.co/QZACYLIcWK |
| haannaahmac |
2019-04-24T18:51:59 |
@Marisa_C Spotted a good activity in @MarekKiczkowiak/Robert Lowe book evaluating “incorrect” English. Present Ss w… https://t.co/DusSZGaiRs |
| SueAnnan |
2019-04-24T18:52:01 |
@Marisa_C We started with that as a criteria. You are right that their are a variety of reasons for not correcting.… https://t.co/KV6sMZ0VWv |
| MoreMsJackson |
2019-04-24T18:52:45 |
@SueAnnan @fionaljp @ddeubel I think the other thing is we can become used to our learners' Englishes (and not noti… https://t.co/YVwZ6wI2NF |
| MoreMsJackson |
2019-04-24T18:53:36 |
Oh I like it #ELTchat https://t.co/1H4f2WTpLF |
| haannaahmac |
2019-04-24T18:55:11 |
@SueAnnan @Marisa_C I am considering putting more focus on this with Ss working with NNS but I slip back into teach… https://t.co/IBhkVXyWtI |
| fionaljp |
2019-04-24T18:55:22 |
@SueAnnan @MoreMsJackson @ddeubel Yes, it’s about can they understand each other #ELTchat intercultural competence |
| Marisa_C |
2019-04-24T18:55:55 |
@MoreMsJackson But that's straightforward error correction no focusing on #ELF - identifying if this is acceptable… https://t.co/Y9ImqbE5oI |
| haannaahmac |
2019-04-24T18:56:37 |
@Marisa_C *mixed with NS grammar #ELTchat |
| haannaahmac |
2019-04-24T18:57:28 |
RT @fionaljp: @SueAnnan @MoreMsJackson @ddeubel Yes, it’s about can they understand each other #ELTchat intercultural competence |
| MoreMsJackson |
2019-04-24T18:57:44 |
@SueAnnan @Marisa_C Hmm I'm now wondering if there's a difference between teaching ELF and allowing ELF (ie, not co… https://t.co/BDTA8sPxGy |
| SueAnnan |
2019-04-24T18:58:38 |
We will be going into slow burn mode soon. Just a few minutes left of tonight's chat.Would anyone like the job of… https://t.co/Kkw7qE3xOu |
| Marisa_C |
2019-04-24T18:58:52 |
@MoreMsJackson @SueAnnan :-) #Eltchat all depends on who wants it , doesn't it |
| SueAnnan |
2019-04-24T18:59:19 |
@MoreMsJackson @Marisa_C I don't know if you CAN teach ELF. It's more a tolerance thing I feel #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2019-04-24T19:00:17 |
True - but the degree of tolerance of error is all -present in good ESP practice #ELTchat isn't it https://t.co/kGEJg2gIKL |
| SueAnnan |
2019-04-24T19:00:19 |
Summary writer? Please?#ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2019-04-24T19:00:44 |
@Marisa_C OF course #ELTChat |
| MoreMsJackson |
2019-04-24T19:01:08 |
@SueAnnan @Marisa_C Couldn't you have authentic ELF materials, if that makes sense? Not starting from native speake… https://t.co/OXasGiuWaQ |
| SueAnnan |
2019-04-24T19:02:13 |
@MoreMsJackson @Marisa_C Possibly. I haven't seen any- unless you count the writing I get from my students. LOL #ELTchat |
| haannaahmac |
2019-04-24T19:02:18 |
@MoreMsJackson @SueAnnan @Marisa_C What is accepted ELF though when language is being used so flexibly and creatively? #ELTchat |
| EWorld2019 |
2019-04-24T19:03:14 |
@MoreMsJackson @SueAnnan @Marisa_C That's an interesting thought! #ELTchat |
| MoreMsJackson |
2019-04-24T19:03:21 |
@haannaahmac @SueAnnan @Marisa_C ...I guess something that's understandable?! #ELTchat |
| haannaahmac |
2019-04-24T19:05:07 |
@SueAnnan I’ll try writing it up! #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2019-04-24T19:05:19 |
Night everyone. Same time next week?Not sure how awake I'll be as I have to get up super early to see the sun rise… https://t.co/eUfqA1L1lQ |
| SueAnnan |
2019-04-24T19:06:13 |
@haannaahmac You are a star. I'll get the transcript to you tomorrow evening after the slowburn. Just pop it on yo… https://t.co/Riu8ZbMj1c |
| haannaahmac |
2019-04-24T19:07:38 |
@SueAnnan No problem :) Thanks everyone! Goodnight. #ELTChat |
| EWorld2019 |
2019-04-24T19:09:25 |
@SueAnnan @haannaahmac Thank you for this interesting topic and good night everyone! See you next week! #ELTchat |
| fionaljp |
2019-04-24T19:22:07 |
@MoreMsJackson @SueAnnan @Marisa_C Yes, this book looks interesting (but very expensive ) Seidlhofer, B. (2011) 'U… https://t.co/tZikDCpiRT |
| SueAnnan |
2019-04-24T19:33:52 |
@MarekKiczkowiak Not to worry .we now have a slow burn for the next 24 hours. Feel free to add something if you wis… https://t.co/NOrZ3aM28K |
| MarekKiczkowiak |
2019-04-24T19:34:55 |
@SueAnnan @MoreMsJackson @Marisa_C I think you can, but not in the sense of teaching British English as a language… https://t.co/kMVgsv5BOE |
| MarekKiczkowiak |
2019-04-24T19:35:53 |
@MoreMsJackson @SueAnnan @Marisa_C I think you can definitely have materials that are informed by ELF research. One… https://t.co/GtoPHX3NIt |
| MarekKiczkowiak |
2019-04-24T19:39:10 |
@Marisa_C I think it's important to raise students' awareness of ELF and discuss with them why you're doing what yo… https://t.co/6y7ameV1dv |
| MarekKiczkowiak |
2019-04-24T19:40:51 |
@SueAnnan Very true. But equally, we should know students' needs before going the EFL/ESL route, #ELTchat |
| MarekKiczkowiak |
2019-04-24T19:42:35 |
@SueAnnan Great been going through the tweets and adding a few replies here and there. Interesting chat! #ELTchat |
| NeilJMcCutcheon |
2019-04-24T20:49:28 |
@Marisa_C @skrashen Most people now agree that there is some value in Focus on Form (FonF) which includes correctiv… https://t.co/DWxecQE8Xz |
| NeilJMcCutcheon |
2019-04-24T20:51:50 |
@Marisa_C Thanks for the paper. My view is that it works in cases where the student is ready for it, invested in it… https://t.co/RIYSAo0uKd |
| Jen_Mac_Donald |
2019-04-25T01:27:36 |
@_grammar_ @SueAnnan How ironic is it that there's a "Grammar Police" bot account offering prescriptivist "correcti… https://t.co/gseAd7NamW |
| SueAnnan |
2019-04-25T06:22:25 |
@Jen_Mac_Donald @_grammar_ Don’t know who they are , but the snide comment was unwelcome. Autocorrect is a pain, bu… https://t.co/nSqGqr70eT |
| Marisa_C |
2019-04-25T06:58:12 |
#ELTchat :-D https://t.co/bJDUoURY1F |
| chiara_bruzzano |
2019-04-25T09:04:56 |
"Confronting native speakerism in an ELT classroom: practical awareness-raising activities" by @MarekKiczkowiak. In… https://t.co/ikPhwR38Kc |
| Marisa_C |
2019-04-25T10:31:51 |
RT with #ELTchat hashtag @ielts_and_more (Melanie) https://t.co/HWInirQsSZ |
| MarekKiczkowiak |
2019-04-25T14:56:46 |
RT @chiara_bruzzano: "Confronting native speakerism in an ELT classroom: practical awareness-raising activities" by @MarekKiczkowiak. Inter… |
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