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| Marisa_C |
2015-06-10T10:13:31 |
You voted for this topic "How much metalanguage (terminology about language) do you use and how much is needed? " See you in 45' #ELTchat |
| Collaborative |
2015-06-10T10:16:09 |
#eltchat > Facebook: Immersive Worlds & Education ICT http://t.co/OpIznvV1L0 |
| kaurgibbons |
2015-06-10T10:16:27 |
RT @Marisa_C: You voted for this topic "How much metalanguage (terminology about language) do you use and how much is needed? " See you in … |
| kaurgibbons |
2015-06-10T10:17:19 |
@Marisa_C I'm definitely going to try. Got a deadline I'm working on but I can take a 60min break for #eltchat. Right? |
| oyajimbo |
2015-06-10T10:18:24 |
RT @Marisa_C: You voted for this topic "How much metalanguage (terminology about language) do you use and how much is needed? " See you in … |
| Marisa_C |
2015-06-10T10:18:46 |
@kaurgibbons RIGHT! "Take 60 minutes for #ELTchat" sounds like a good slogan to me :-) |
| ELTchat |
2015-06-10T10:19:06 |
RT @Marisa_C: @kaurgibbons RIGHT! "Take 60 minutes for #ELTchat" sounds like a good slogan to me :-) |
| Shaunwilden |
2015-06-10T10:19:19 |
RT @Marisa_C: You voted for this topic "How much metalanguage (terminology about language) do you use and how much is needed? " See you in … |
| Marisa_C |
2015-06-10T10:20:04 |
@daylemajor we use a wiki http://t.co/QEYYpnEb0v but u can save on xcell or storify #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2015-06-10T10:20:32 |
@juliacphang :-( u will be missed too #ELTchat |
| newbiehelpdesk |
2015-06-10T10:21:51 |
RT @Collaborative: #eltchat > Facebook: Immersive Worlds & Education ICT http://t.co/OpIznvV1L0 |
| theminddock |
2015-06-10T10:22:24 |
RT @Collaborative: #eltchat > Facebook: Immersive Worlds & Education ICT http://t.co/OpIznvV1L0 |
| daylemajor |
2015-06-10T10:33:59 |
@Marisa_C Thank you. #KELTChat has been using Storify. I'm quite impressed by the #ELTChat wiki. |
| TeachEngIndia |
2015-06-10T10:39:39 |
RT @nadmad4u: RMSA-BC #ELISS #Mentoring Skills Course underway at Pune. Awesome!@inBritish @TeachEngIndia #ELTchat #ESL #CPD http://t.co/P… |
| TwitLiveEvents |
2015-06-10T10:45:05 |
June 10, 2015 at 07:00AM Twitter Chat - #eltchat #TwitterChat Visit http://t.co/52cTeoQ3Zw for more events. |
| kaurgibbons |
2015-06-10T11:00:25 |
@Marisa_C I'll be there but about 12.05pm #eltchat about using terminology or not. |
| thebooksweluv |
2015-06-10T11:02:14 |
RT @TwitLiveEvents: June 10, 2015 at 07:00AM Twitter Chat - #eltchat #TwitterChat Visit http://t.co/52cTeoQ3Zw for more events. |
| Marisa_C |
2015-06-10T11:02:38 |
Hello #eltchat friends anyone there? @SueAnnan chose this topic on metalanguage |
| Shaunwilden |
2015-06-10T11:03:06 |
@Marisa_C @SueAnnan Bonjour #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2015-06-10T11:03:12 |
How much metalanguage (terminology about language) do you use and how much is needed? " #ELTchat |
| TheRedFellow |
2015-06-10T11:03:19 |
#eltchat Hi @Marisa_C I will try to keep up with the chat but may have to bow out a little early because of work. We'll see. Fingers crossed |
| ELTchat |
2015-06-10T11:03:22 |
RT @Marisa_C: How much metalanguage (terminology about language) do you use and how much is needed? " #ELTchat |
| rapple18 |
2015-06-10T11:03:57 |
#eltchat hi! Sorry havent bn around for a while .. but good to be here! #metalanguage |
| Shaunwilden |
2015-06-10T11:04:17 |
RT @Marisa_C: How much metalanguage (terminology about language) do you use and how much is needed? " #ELTchat |
| patrickelt |
2015-06-10T11:04:33 |
@Marisa_C Would think so much depends on context #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2015-06-10T11:04:41 |
Will be with u all in 5' telephone man here #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2015-06-10T11:05:00 |
@patrickelt @Marisa_C That’s the answer to everything in let I think :-) #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2015-06-10T11:05:40 |
@patrickelt @Marisa_C elt not let damn autocorrect #eltchat |
| patrickelt |
2015-06-10T11:06:05 |
@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C Yes - perhaps especially here #eltchat |
| patrickelt |
2015-06-10T11:06:35 |
@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C metalang not really appropriate for early years #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2015-06-10T11:06:42 |
@patrickelt @Marisa_C So what contexts would you it? #eltchat |
| rapple18 |
2015-06-10T11:06:44 |
Reminder topic: "How much metalanguage (terminology about language) do you use and how much is needed?" #eltchat |
| TheRedFellow |
2015-06-10T11:06:59 |
@patrickelt @Marisa_C In what context would none be appropriate then? Very young learners? Others? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2015-06-10T11:07:01 |
@rapple18 and whats your answer? #eltchat |
| patrickelt |
2015-06-10T11:07:31 |
@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C Perhaps older learners - can be useful when sts use dictionaries etc to understand resource books #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2015-06-10T11:07:38 |
@TheRedFellow @patrickelt @Marisa_C Is all terminology there metalanguage? #eltchat |
| kaurgibbons |
2015-06-10T11:07:44 |
@Marisa_C @SueAnnan @Shaunwilden Hi! I'm here. I think it's a really interesting topic and interested to share ideas. #eltchat #metalang |
| rapple18 |
2015-06-10T11:08:20 |
hi! @Shaunwilden #eltchat Not overcomplicate at any level, but ensure sts have lang. to talk abt lang. Writing a C1 TB right now, so ...! |
| Shaunwilden |
2015-06-10T11:08:35 |
@kaurgibbons @Marisa_C @SueAnnan So whats your take on the use of metalanguage then Pam? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2015-06-10T11:08:44 |
RT @rapple18: hi! @Shaunwilden #eltchat Not overcomplicate at any level, but ensure sts have lang. to talk abt lang. Writing a C1 TB right … |
| patrickelt |
2015-06-10T11:08:54 |
@TheRedFellow @Marisa_C Perhaps with some learners for whom it is a barrier. As a learner, I find it too abstract often #eltchat |
| rapple18 |
2015-06-10T11:09:10 |
@Shaunwilden #eltchat your answer? |
| Shaunwilden |
2015-06-10T11:09:25 |
@rapple18 so C1 gives you carte blanche? #eltchat |
| kaurgibbons |
2015-06-10T11:09:29 |
@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C @SueAnnan Often I think it needs to be used. Irrespective of age. Shows Ss we know what we're talking about #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2015-06-10T11:10:08 |
@rapple18 I think if it needs to be used it needs to be used, avoiding it can lead to overcomplicating and misunderstanding #eltchat |
| kaurgibbons |
2015-06-10T11:10:17 |
RT @Shaunwilden: @rapple18 I think if it needs to be used it needs to be used, avoiding it can lead to overcomplicating and misunderstandin… |
| NewbieCELTA |
2015-06-10T11:10:32 |
@patrickelt @TheRedFellow @Marisa_C #eltchat think it is best used with CF less in presentation etc |
| rapple18 |
2015-06-10T11:10:41 |
#eltchat e.g. what do you call "do" and "so" at C1 level in "I think so" or "Yes, I do [get up at 7am on Fridays]" ? |
| TheRedFellow |
2015-06-10T11:10:54 |
@Shaunwilden @patrickelt @Marisa_C I don't know. I taught my 2nd graders what verbs and adjectives were? #eltchat |
| kaurgibbons |
2015-06-10T11:10:54 |
@Shaunwilden @rapple18 Absolutely agree. Not using metalang tends to be more confusing #eltchat |
| rapple18 |
2015-06-10T11:11:22 |
#eltchat @Shaunwilden in what sense? To use any/all/lots of metaL? NO! Far from it! |
| Marisa_C |
2015-06-10T11:11:33 |
Sorry all - sth urgent up #eltchat may have lost the thread |
| Shaunwilden |
2015-06-10T11:12:07 |
@Marisa_C Its by the needle over there #eltchat |
| GlenysHanson |
2015-06-10T11:12:41 |
@patrickelt @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C Except with trainee teacher, used only very basic terms: noun, adjective, verb, preposition #eltchat |
| rapple18 |
2015-06-10T11:12:47 |
but .. @kaurgibbons @Shaunwilden #eltchat it's a bit like using phon symbols: great if sts have learnt them bit by bit up the levels... |
| Marisa_C |
2015-06-10T11:13:00 |
Re Young and very young learners - do they need to know VERB or NOUN or Past perfect continuous as terms? #eltchat |
| ELTchat |
2015-06-10T11:13:12 |
RT @rapple18: but .. @kaurgibbons @Shaunwilden #eltchat it's a bit like using phon symbols: great if sts have learnt them bit by bit up the… |
| kaurgibbons |
2015-06-10T11:13:39 |
@rapple18 @Shaunwilden They don't need to know it ALL to make it a useful part of their learning journey #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2015-06-10T11:15:05 |
@Marisa_C term yes to the first two :-) #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2015-06-10T11:15:17 |
With older learners I think it is unavoidable - CBs use it websites use them so pretending they dont exist ? #eltchat |
| ELTchat |
2015-06-10T11:15:32 |
RT @Marisa_C: With older learners I think it is unavoidable - CBs use it websites use them so pretending they dont exist ? #eltchat |
| rapple18 |
2015-06-10T11:15:48 |
#eltchat so we're all agreed then (?!) |
| TheRedFellow |
2015-06-10T11:15:53 |
@Marisa_C verb and noun and adjective, YES! past/present/future, YES! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2015-06-10T11:16:15 |
@Shaunwilden First two as in verb and noun - i would add adjective too myself :-) #eltchat but not sure it does anything (this knowledge) |
| GlenysHanson |
2015-06-10T11:16:48 |
#eltchat @Marisa_C Some knew the terms some didn't. I used to ban all but simplest as "naughty words" to keep people on an equal footing. |
| Shaunwilden |
2015-06-10T11:16:54 |
#eltchat https://t.co/2opKSFKXFI |
| kaurgibbons |
2015-06-10T11:17:00 |
Thanks @NewbieCELTA It doesn't have to be a crash course. As and when. #eltchat https://t.co/eFjKBWBjbG |
| rapple18 |
2015-06-10T11:17:15 |
#eltchat @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden helps them become savvy about their learning .. but perhaps not great for all st types...? |
| Shaunwilden |
2015-06-10T11:17:29 |
@rapple18 @Marisa_C Why not? #eltchat |
| pjgallantry |
2015-06-10T11:17:43 |
Afternoon all :) #eltchat |
| kaurgibbons |
2015-06-10T11:18:18 |
@rapple18 @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden but isn't that part of our job? Help them become better learners? Having metaL does that I think #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2015-06-10T11:18:22 |
@Shaunwilden @rapple18 I don't think young learners can categorize language in this way not in their cognitive make up #eltchat - |
| ELTchat |
2015-06-10T11:18:40 |
RT @kaurgibbons: @rapple18 @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden but isn't that part of our job? Help them become better learners? Having metaL does that… |
| Marisa_C |
2015-06-10T11:18:46 |
Abstract thought/terms after age of 11 or 12 #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2015-06-10T11:18:56 |
@Marisa_C @rapple18 depends on the age i think #eltchat |
| rapple18 |
2015-06-10T11:19:18 |
#eltchat @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C Am thinking of learners who want lang / functions 4survival. Learning terms puts extra weight on vocab load. |
| pjgallantry |
2015-06-10T11:20:31 |
#eltchat learning another language requires one to think about why we say what we say when we say it, ie another level of thinking.... |
| TheRedFellow |
2015-06-10T11:20:34 |
@kaurgibbons @rapple18 @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden I learned how to speak Thai but I don't know any metalanguage in Thai. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2015-06-10T11:20:54 |
I believe tha YLs and metalanguage is a whole different #ELTchat - how u can talk abt lang to them |
| GlenysHanson |
2015-06-10T11:20:56 |
@TheRedFellow @Marisa_C @TheRedFellow @Marisa_C Past, Present sometimes. Future never. In "my" model of grammar no Future Tense #eltchat |
| pjgallantry |
2015-06-10T11:21:10 |
#eltchat .....so if we have this level if meta thinking, surely we need meta language to describe it? |
| TheRedFellow |
2015-06-10T11:21:28 |
@rapple18 @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C ESOL learners/migrants with little or no formal education in L1 do not need metalanguage. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2015-06-10T11:21:34 |
@TheRedFellow @kaurgibbons @rapple18 @Marisa_C What none at all? #eltchat |
| kaurgibbons |
2015-06-10T11:21:47 |
@TheRedFellow @rapple18 @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden I'm thinking of exam/EAP/Business/ESP students who also need to write and read #eltchat |
| rapple18 |
2015-06-10T11:22:10 |
#ELTchat @Marisa_C oooh dont think i'd go there with YLs! ouch! (but again, some might rise to challenge!) |
| pjgallantry |
2015-06-10T11:22:12 |
#eltchat of course, learning and acquiring a language are very different things - prob no need for metalamguage in the latter :) |
| Marisa_C |
2015-06-10T11:22:19 |
@pjgallantry this could be true Paul if we actually knew if conscious & explicit knowledge of terms helps in lang acquitision #eltchat |
| TheRedFellow |
2015-06-10T11:22:54 |
@Shaunwilden @kaurgibbons @rapple18 @Marisa_C Yes. Hmmm, actually I know the word for verb and adjective. That's it. #eltchat |
| NewbieCELTA |
2015-06-10T11:23:02 |
@Marisa_C #eltchat didn't/wouldn't use much b4 that age, but then yes & again 'baked into' meaningful analysis work, not prez nor tested |
| Marisa_C |
2015-06-10T11:23:02 |
@kaurgibbons @TheRedFellow @rapple18 @Shaunwilden I think young adults and adults is what we should be talking about re our topic #eltchat |
| GlenysHanson |
2015-06-10T11:23:05 |
@rapple18 @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C I agree with you, Rachel about vocab load. Also prob of diff grammar models. #eltchat |
| kaurgibbons |
2015-06-10T11:24:07 |
@Marisa_C @TheRedFellow @rapple18 @Shaunwilden Most definitely. WHY are they learning English is also key when thinking abt metaL #eltchat |
| ELTchat |
2015-06-10T11:24:23 |
RT @kaurgibbons: @Marisa_C @TheRedFellow @rapple18 @Shaunwilden Most definitely. WHY are they learning English is also key when thinking ab… |
| rapple18 |
2015-06-10T11:24:26 |
"grammar models" #eltchat @GlenysHanson @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C what do you mean here exactly? |
| NewbieCELTA |
2015-06-10T11:25:17 |
@ETprofessional @taw_sig gotcha, just being honest abt my sometime www habits. Mostly just now I'm chuffed 2have an #eltchat AM commute! :) |
| patrickelt |
2015-06-10T11:25:49 |
@kaurgibbons @TheRedFellow @rapple18 @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden Can read or write with metalang but harder to talk about it #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2015-06-10T11:26:18 |
@NewbieCELTA @ETprofessional @taw_sig good to see u after a long while Matthew #eltchat |
| rapple18 |
2015-06-10T11:26:21 |
#eltchat So cld any1 advise on this: e.g. what do U call "do" & "so" at C1 in "I think so" or "Yes, I do [get up at 7am on Fridays]" ? |
| pjgallantry |
2015-06-10T11:26:26 |
#eltchat from own experience, I only learned metalanguage of English when I did my CELTA! No need for it beforehand.... |
| patrickelt |
2015-06-10T11:26:35 |
@rapple18 @GlenysHanson @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C For example, SFL makes use of terms like agent and goal #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2015-06-10T11:27:17 |
I think in most adult Cbs now some LA work where metalang inevitable - Ss need it to work out meaning, form, use, function, tenor #eltchat |
| GlenysHanson |
2015-06-10T11:27:31 |
@kaurgibbons @TheRedFellow @rapple18 @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden #eltchat If it's required by an exam, that's different. Doesn't prove it aids LL |
| Marisa_C |
2015-06-10T11:27:56 |
@patrickelt I hate the term 'agent' with a passion #eltchat |
| rapple18 |
2015-06-10T11:28:03 |
#eltchat @patrickelt @GlenysHanson @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C (ooh confusing,.. sounds more like ref to Cristiano Ronaldo!) |
| kaurgibbons |
2015-06-10T11:28:38 |
I'm not so sure @GlenysHanson. I have students who want the metaL. Their brains work that way so why should I avoid it? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2015-06-10T11:28:42 |
@Marisa_C But would you use words like tenor with them? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2015-06-10T11:29:02 |
@Shaunwilden no I wouldn't #eltchat |
| malachyscullion |
2015-06-10T11:29:37 |
@Marisa_C #eltchat I usually colour code words on the whiteboard when referring to different parts of speech. |
| GlenysHanson |
2015-06-10T11:29:45 |
@rapple18 @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C How many tenses are there in English? Different models give different answers. #eltchat |
| malachyscullion |
2015-06-10T11:29:51 |
RT @Marisa_C: I believe tha YLs and metalanguage is a whole different #ELTchat - how u can talk abt lang to them |
| Marisa_C |
2015-06-10T11:30:04 |
@Shaunwilden but I WOULD and HAVE used discourse terms like 'turntaking' rules, tonic stress, given vs new info and pronunction #eltchat |
| kaurgibbons |
2015-06-10T11:30:18 |
This is probably why I am open to using metaL. Never thought of it in this way before! Thanks Paul. #eltchat https://t.co/sG5jxi7fKX |
| Marisa_C |
2015-06-10T11:30:20 |
@GlenysHanson Three #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2015-06-10T11:30:34 |
@GlenysHanson @rapple18 @Marisa_C two #eltchat |
| patrickelt |
2015-06-10T11:30:37 |
@Marisa_C @Shaunwilden Me too. #eltchat |
| pjgallantry |
2015-06-10T11:30:41 |
#eltchat I tend to feel that metalanguage, like death, taxes and Headway course books, is unavoidable. |
| Marisa_C |
2015-06-10T11:31:18 |
@Shaunwilden correct TWO yes sorry lol #eltchat morphologically speaking TWO |
| GlenysHanson |
2015-06-10T11:31:36 |
@kaurgibbons #eltchat If everyone in the class agrees it's fine. Not my experience in heterogeneous classes. |
| kaurgibbons |
2015-06-10T11:31:37 |
For pron I think it is invaluable to use metaL. Def when Ss realise pron isn't just about tongue twisters! #eltchat https://t.co/QMdJ2C8AP3 |
| pjgallantry |
2015-06-10T11:31:47 |
#eltchat sorry, repeat tweet there. |
| TheRedFellow |
2015-06-10T11:31:51 |
@kaurgibbons @GlenysHanson Depends on a students explicit grammar knowledge of1st lang. If it's good, they want to know in Eng #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2015-06-10T11:32:49 |
Hi Clare - don't think so - take part in the chat but use this in your tweets #eltchat https://t.co/JbLHE7KJar |
| NewbieCELTA |
2015-06-10T11:33:00 |
@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C oops previous post no hashtag #eltchat I'm rusty!!! :P |
| Shaunwilden |
2015-06-10T11:33:15 |
@NewbieCELTA @Marisa_C I dont think i have used the word tenor with sts in that sense #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2015-06-10T11:33:19 |
#eltchat https://t.co/rRaCz2vuUG |
| kaurgibbons |
2015-06-10T11:33:37 |
@GlenysHanson Then isn't it about creating a balance? 1/2 #eltchat #metaL |
| kaurgibbons |
2015-06-10T11:33:57 |
@GlenysHanson Irrespective of all agreeing it's only fair to include for those who do want it. 2/2 #eltchat #metalanguage |
| Marisa_C |
2015-06-10T11:34:04 |
@Shaunwilden well u can use other words - this is a technical term i am using with colleagues here - :-( #eltchat |
| GlenysHanson |
2015-06-10T11:34:13 |
@kaurgibbons #eltchat Nobody is born with a brain that knows metaL. Some already Ss know it and use it as a tool. That's fine. |
| kaurgibbons |
2015-06-10T11:34:21 |
RT @Marisa_C: #eltchat https://t.co/rRaCz2vuUG |
| Shaunwilden |
2015-06-10T11:34:47 |
@Marisa_C yeahI know I was talking to Mathew not you :-) #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2015-06-10T11:35:09 |
Some knowledge of metalang useful as a prompt in error correction - on the spot or delayed #eltchat |
| NewbieCELTA |
2015-06-10T11:35:28 |
@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C me neither actually, but now I might! #eltchat 'stress' for eg is fun, also 'perfect' (oh, it's not!), etc. |
| Marisa_C |
2015-06-10T11:35:39 |
@Shaunwilden :-D u're saved then #eltchat |
| kaurgibbons |
2015-06-10T11:35:43 |
@GlenysHanson Absolutely. So I use it if and when students are keen to use it. Irrespective of those who don't. #eltchat |
| EnglishMyWayUK |
2015-06-10T11:35:44 |
RT @GemL1: Positive peer observations > using peer obs to reflect on my own teaching http://t.co/iXd92I0Xj3 #EAP #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2015-06-10T11:36:06 |
back in a mo #eltchat |
| kaurgibbons |
2015-06-10T11:36:13 |
@GlenysHanson Often this becomes a learning exchange between students in my experience #eltchat #richcontent |
| SmallwoodELT |
2015-06-10T11:37:13 |
@Marisa_C I think at that age they can see # parts of speech as 'building blocks' and see basic patterns but I wouldn't go further #ELTchat |
| clerotto |
2015-06-10T11:37:50 |
@Marisa_Cs. Our kids schooling in Italy, meta language in Italian grammar from age 6 so were frustrated on return to UK in # MFL #eltchat |
| kaurgibbons |
2015-06-10T11:37:51 |
@NewbieCELTA @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C Definitely agree metaL is #richcontent. Often between students sharing knowledge #eltchat |
| GlenysHanson |
2015-06-10T11:38:34 |
@kaurgibbons #eltchat #metalanguage My problem was one of time. In a short course I had to do what was essential - had to cut some things |
| NewbieCELTA |
2015-06-10T11:38:51 |
@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C #eltchat Ss helped by sep. tense & aspect, I do that often. Not just metaL, it's teaching Lang system: req. terms! |
| TheRedFellow |
2015-06-10T11:39:05 |
@clerotto @Marisa_Cs hahaha, in the UK, it's an action word. it's a describing word. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2015-06-10T11:39:51 |
@TheRedFellow @clerotto @Marisa_Cs I know but football is an action word too u know? can confuse #eltchat |
| kaurgibbons |
2015-06-10T11:39:58 |
@GlenysHanson That's true and understandable. Your website's grammar section is divided by #metalanguage. Interesting! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2015-06-10T11:40:42 |
@SmallwoodELT I think YL's learn chunks and cannot see the parts #eltchat |
| TheRedFellow |
2015-06-10T11:41:29 |
@Marisa_C @clerotto @Marisa_Cs Agreed. UK's inability/reluctance to use grammatical terms in schools is a disaster, in my opinion. #eltchat |
| kaurgibbons |
2015-06-10T11:41:42 |
RT @TheRedFellow: @Marisa_C @clerotto @Marisa_Cs Agreed. UK's inability/reluctance to use grammatical terms in schools is a disaster, in my… |
| GlenysHanson |
2015-06-10T11:41:48 |
@kaurgibbons #eltchat As long as no one feels excluded cause they don't know the vocab. |
| malachyscullion |
2015-06-10T11:41:57 |
@Marisa_C #ELTchat I'm open to any good suggestions - how can I use meta language in my classes of 3, 4, 5 and 6 year old Chinese students? |
| Shaunwilden |
2015-06-10T11:42:19 |
@TheRedFellow @Marisa_C @clerotto @Marisa_Cs Don’t they use them now? #eltchat |
| kaurgibbons |
2015-06-10T11:42:40 |
@GlenysHanson Of course. I use it as a learning exchange moment. Or group students who want metaL and then they share findings #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2015-06-10T11:43:36 |
@malachyscullion you shouldn't really #eltchat - it's abstract and beyong their congnitive abilities to grasp #eltchat |
| kaurgibbons |
2015-06-10T11:43:47 |
@Shaunwilden @TheRedFellow @Marisa_C @clerotto @Marisa_Cs It's moving towards it but the teachers don't know it yet! #eltchat |
| GlenysHanson |
2015-06-10T11:44:06 |
@kaurgibbons #eltchat Got me there, Pam! But my site is aimed at teachers looking for exos rather than students directly. |
| kaurgibbons |
2015-06-10T11:44:08 |
RT @Marisa_C: @malachyscullion you shouldn't really #eltchat - it's abstract and beyong their congnitive abilities to grasp #eltchat |
| NewbieCELTA |
2015-06-10T11:44:22 |
@kaurgibbons @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C #eltchat sum metaL Ss learn/know isn't always rich kindest kind for learning it's inert/about kind |
| TheRedFellow |
2015-06-10T11:44:59 |
@Shaunwilden TBH, I don't know. My friend's kids still speak about action words and describing words not verbs and adjectives. #eltchat |
| kaurgibbons |
2015-06-10T11:45:01 |
@GlenysHanson Fair enough. It's a very interesting area. In the Silent Way it's def not nec, right? #eltchat #metalanguage |
| NewbieCELTA |
2015-06-10T11:45:40 |
@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C #eltchat if we can make metaL 'come alive' and treat it richly, it loses its 'boring/serious' rep and is..activated!! |
| Marisa_C |
2015-06-10T11:46:14 |
@NewbieCELTA @Shaunwilden I call that wishful thinking :-) #eltchat |
| pjgallantry |
2015-06-10T11:46:24 |
#eltchat new thought: if we consider language as experiential, there is no need for metalanguage: if we consider it as a subject, we do..... |
| Shaunwilden |
2015-06-10T11:46:39 |
@TheRedFellow No i dont know for sure but suspect it is better than it was in this respect #eltchat |
| clerotto |
2015-06-10T11:46:49 |
@Shaunwilden @TheRedFellow @Marisa_C @marisa_cs GCSE no metalang. Daughter did 3 A level langs, some use but UK kids moaned #habit #eltchat |
| NewbieCELTA |
2015-06-10T11:46:50 |
@Marisa_C @Shaunwilden yes! #perfectresponse #eltchat |
| GlenysHanson |
2015-06-10T11:46:51 |
@kaurgibbons #eltchat As for the Silent Way, metaL can be useful in some classes not in others for the reasons we're discussing here. |
| Marisa_C |
2015-06-10T11:46:58 |
that's a good thought and one i would go along with #eltchat https://t.co/WBkUg3DkCy |
| kaurgibbons |
2015-06-10T11:47:07 |
@NewbieCELTA @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C That's the key I think. #metalanguage needs to be made engaging at times - depends on Ss too #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2015-06-10T11:47:10 |
RT @Marisa_C: that's a good thought and one i would go along with #eltchat https://t.co/WBkUg3DkCy |
| clerotto |
2015-06-10T11:47:33 |
RT @TheRedFellow: @Marisa_C @clerotto @Marisa_Cs Agreed. UK's inability/reluctance to use grammatical terms in schools is a disaster, in my… |
| pjgallantry |
2015-06-10T11:47:34 |
#eltchat...e.g., we experience our environment without needing to describe it, but if we study it in class, we need metalang to guide us.. |
| kaurgibbons |
2015-06-10T11:47:41 |
RT @Marisa_C: that's a good thought and one i would go along with #eltchat https://t.co/WBkUg3DkCy |
| malachyscullion |
2015-06-10T11:48:08 |
@Marisa_C #ELTchat I was thinking along those lines myself but wondering if anyone out there had any. So ideally what CEFR is suitable? |
| kaurgibbons |
2015-06-10T11:49:09 |
@pjgallantry Absolutely. And in my context for the Ss it is often a subject that will become experiential. #eltchat |
| NewbieCELTA |
2015-06-10T11:49:31 |
@pjgallantry can't agree w. dichotomy: lang abt language is too 'exp. language' no? & quite close 2present experience if studying! #eltchat |
| kaurgibbons |
2015-06-10T11:49:32 |
RT @pjgallantry: #eltchat...e.g., we experience our environment without needing to describe it, but if we study it in class, we need metala… |
| TheRedFellow |
2015-06-10T11:49:39 |
#eltchat @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden Shouldn't it depend on the students' level of general education? Less educated, less metalanguage? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2015-06-10T11:49:54 |
Sorry if harsh - I think Ss' knowledge of metalanguage has nothing to do with productive use esp speech - writing yes - more time #eltchat |
| clerotto |
2015-06-10T11:49:56 |
@TheRedFellow @Marisa_C @marisa_cs But they use metalang in Classics of course but uptake Latin dropping. Why the reluctance Aidan?#eltchat |
| rapple18 |
2015-06-10T11:49:58 |
#eltchat so basically, we're talking about using metalang AT sts' level (none of this i+1) ... - to describe what they can already use... ? |
| Shaunwilden |
2015-06-10T11:50:00 |
@TheRedFellow @Marisa_C Why? #eltchat |
| pjgallantry |
2015-06-10T11:50:02 |
#eltchat so, can we say: experienced language doesn't need describing, while language studied abstractly does? |
| kaurgibbons |
2015-06-10T11:50:28 |
@TheRedFellow @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden Really? Why does 'less educated' matter here? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2015-06-10T11:50:34 |
@Shaunwilden @TheRedFellow less literate Ss more difficulty understanding abstractions #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2015-06-10T11:51:23 |
@pjgallantry hmm might have to get back to you on that, my first thought is no but i doing know why #eltchat |
| kaurgibbons |
2015-06-10T11:51:29 |
@rapple18 That's often the case. Helping them grasp the usage through metaL #eltchat |
| TheRedFellow |
2015-06-10T11:51:36 |
@clerotto @Marisa_C @marisa_cs Don't know. UK seems to think that forcing Ss to explicitly learn grammar infringes on creativity.. #eltchat |
| GlenysHanson |
2015-06-10T11:52:02 |
@Marisa_C @pgallantry #eltchat Thanks for the metaL: "experiential". (I'm experimenting with emoji - hope it means ;-)) |
| PearsonELTweets |
2015-06-10T11:52:24 |
What's it like to #teachenglish in North Korea? http://t.co/rWYFh9RxYP #education #eltchat #elt #teachers |
| Marisa_C |
2015-06-10T11:52:49 |
I had to learn and practice grammar like 10 hrs a week and it did nothing to me being able to speak classical greek #eltchat |
| rapple18 |
2015-06-10T11:52:49 |
#eltchat @kaurgibbons and concept Qs and time lines attempt to clarify meaning w/o metalang. So perhaps it's a case of not o'complicating .. |
| pjgallantry |
2015-06-10T11:53:02 |
@GlenysHanson @Marisa_C #eltchat you're welcome :-D |
| kaurgibbons |
2015-06-10T11:53:39 |
@Marisa_C @TheRedFellow I would disagree. Illiteracy does not equate to a lack of critical/abstract thinking abilities. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2015-06-10T11:53:50 |
@Marisa_C Did @PearsonELTweets just troll #eltchat, why cant people wait until the chat is over! |
| TheRedFellow |
2015-06-10T11:54:06 |
@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C if S is educated, probably has system of dealing with lang.analysis in L1.If not,then new concept+vocab #eltchat |
| rapple18 |
2015-06-10T11:54:07 |
#eltchat Really? @TheRedFellow @clerotto @Marisa_C @marisa_cs I dont think those are the issues at stake.. it's not 1 or other |
| kaurgibbons |
2015-06-10T11:54:54 |
@rapple18 I'm not so sure. For those who do like metaL it's best. They can then use this as a learning exchange with peers #eltchat 1/2 |
| TheRedFellow |
2015-06-10T11:55:16 |
@kaurgibbons @Marisa_C no but it does equate to lack of concepts to analyse language. #eltchat |
| kaurgibbons |
2015-06-10T11:55:41 |
@rapple18 Don't get me wrong, I don't use it ALL the time. Only, if my Ss are open to it and it provides #richcontent #eltchat #metaL 2/2 |
| TheRedFellow |
2015-06-10T11:56:21 |
@kaurgibbons @Marisa_C I think you will find that survival ESOL classes for migrants in UK avoid metalang at all costs. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2015-06-10T11:56:36 |
@PearsonELTweets pls don't tweet duing our chats!!!! #ELTchat not welcome! |
| Shaunwilden |
2015-06-10T11:56:58 |
We’re approaching the end of the hour, does anyone want to write the summary? #eltchat |
| kaurgibbons |
2015-06-10T11:57:35 |
@TheRedFellow @Marisa_C Fair enough. My mum did these lessons when I was a teen and we would use some metaL at home to consolidate #eltchat |
| NewbieCELTA |
2015-06-10T11:57:47 |
@kaurgibbons @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C #eltchat why is Lang abt Lang considered 'not Lang?' As metacognition goes, so goes (some) metaL IMHO |
| Marisa_C |
2015-06-10T11:57:49 |
I shall have to go now - thank you all for a great #ELTchat - we may not have agreed on everything but it made us THINK!!!!! |
| ELTchat |
2015-06-10T11:58:01 |
RT @Marisa_C: I shall have to go now - thank you all for a great #ELTchat - we may not have agreed on everything but it made us THINK!!!!! |
| kaurgibbons |
2015-06-10T11:58:25 |
That's the point, right? #eltchat gets you thinking! https://t.co/waCYLPEbaO |
| GlenysHanson |
2015-06-10T11:58:28 |
@TheRedFellow @kaurgibbons @Marisa_C #eltchat Not necessarily. Just don't have the standard vocab but may express concepts in other ways |
| kaurgibbons |
2015-06-10T11:58:52 |
RT @NewbieCELTA: @kaurgibbons @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C #eltchat why is Lang abt Lang considered 'not Lang?' As metacognition goes, so goes (s… |
| Shaunwilden |
2015-06-10T11:59:11 |
RT @NewbieCELTA: @kaurgibbons @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C #eltchat why is Lang abt Lang considered 'not Lang?' As metacognition goes, so goes (s… |
| kaurgibbons |
2015-06-10T11:59:17 |
@Shaunwilden If I could get some advice on how, I would be happy to? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2015-06-10T11:59:29 |
final thoughts and conclusions? #eltchat |
| clerotto |
2015-06-10T11:59:35 |
@kaurgibbons @Shaunwilden @TheRedFellow @Marisa_C @marisa_cs How will it be introduced? From what age? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2015-06-10T11:59:53 |
@kaurgibbons Great, one the mods will tweet you once we have the transcript #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2015-06-10T12:00:17 |
@kaurgibbons Indeed!!!! :-) #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2015-06-10T12:00:42 |
Missed all of this. Just come out of a meeting. Will do transcript #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2015-06-10T12:01:07 |
Thank you all for joining this week’s #eltchat next week its the evening slot , see you then. |
| rapple18 |
2015-06-10T12:01:33 |
#eltchat Thanks all - good food4thought :) |
| NewbieCELTA |
2015-06-10T12:01:44 |
#eltchat boston courthouse on walk to work w. #ELTchat metaL: what's yr verdict!? #ambulatoryELT #watchout4lamppost http://t.co/CvZzPIsYxB |
| kaurgibbons |
2015-06-10T12:01:50 |
@Marisa_C @Shaunwilden Up to you if you would like @SueAnnan or me to do the transcript. I'd like to try #eltchat https://t.co/Cku0eZcxqW |
| SueAnnan |
2015-06-10T12:02:19 |
Who wants transcript? #eltchat |
| clerotto |
2015-06-10T12:02:31 |
@Shaunwilden Could you organise a chat to discuss ways to introduce metalang? e.g. with cuisinaire rods? #eltchat |
| TheRedFellow |
2015-06-10T12:02:43 |
#eltchat Thanks everybody for another thought-provoking chat. |
| kaurgibbons |
2015-06-10T12:02:46 |
@SueAnnan Moi. Pretty please :) Thanks! #eltchat |
| TheRedFellow |
2015-06-10T12:05:15 |
@GlenysHanson @kaurgibbons @Marisa_C perhaps. In my experience, if the learner has used metalang. in L1,then easier to do so in L2. #eltchat |
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