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| juliacphang |
2015-05-20T19:21:39 |
Not going to make tonight's #eltchat I'm afraid, but looking forward to the summary! |
| racheldaw18 |
2015-05-20T19:49:00 |
I don't know if I am totally confused by the time difference to Germany, but is there an #eltchat going on that I can't see now...? |
| Marisa_C |
2015-05-20T19:54:44 |
@racheldaw18 You are totally confused with the time difference but we still like ya #Eltchat in abt 5 minutes on fun with error correction |
| Marisa_C |
2015-05-20T19:57:05 |
@SueAnnan it's your baby this topic - you gonna be here? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2015-05-20T20:00:05 |
It's #ELTchat time folks and the topic is Error Correction but not just any which way - how can we make it more FUN? |
| HanaHainsworth |
2015-05-20T20:01:15 |
#ELTchat Hello everyone! |
| Marisa_C |
2015-05-20T20:02:03 |
@HanaHainsworth Welcome - just gathering the troops here :-) #eltchat |
| ELTchat |
2015-05-20T20:02:20 |
RT @Marisa_C: It's #ELTchat time folks and the topic is Error Correction but not just any which way - how can we make it more FUN? |
| MigueCorDi |
2015-05-20T20:02:21 |
I take #errrs from my Ss essays and after correcting them they must guess who made the #mistake #eltchat |
| GlenysHanson |
2015-05-20T20:02:42 |
#eltchat I find it helps if I don't think of it as error correction but as giving students feedback. |
| Marisa_C |
2015-05-20T20:02:59 |
@MigueCorDi nice idea - I like it :-) #ELTchat Guess who made that mistake! |
| Marisa_C |
2015-05-20T20:04:06 |
@GlenysHanson Sure - absolutely #eltchat errors not a sin, part of learning & developing and to be actually ENCOURAGED! |
| MigueCorDi |
2015-05-20T20:05:11 |
@Marisa_C they feel a little too embarrassed at the beginning but they end up enjoying it #eltchat |
| HanaHainsworth |
2015-05-20T20:05:11 |
I often write up a mix of common errors and correct sentences and do a grammar casino exercise #eltchat |
| GlenysHanson |
2015-05-20T20:05:29 |
#eltchat I used to clown about, rub my hands together and say "Lovely a mistake!" |
| Marisa_C |
2015-05-20T20:05:40 |
@HanaHainsworth please elaborate a little #eltchat |
| YESidiomas |
2015-05-20T20:05:45 |
RT @Marisa_C: It's #ELTchat time folks and the topic is Error Correction but not just any which way - how can we make it more FUN? |
| Marisa_C |
2015-05-20T20:06:27 |
@MigueCorDi sounds great and great attitudes by all @GlenysHanson #eltchat |
| SusanaCBermejo |
2015-05-20T20:06:36 |
RT @Marisa_C: It's #ELTchat time folks and the topic is Error Correction but not just any which way - how can we make it more FUN? |
| Ven_VVE |
2015-05-20T20:06:55 |
@HanaHainsworth is that the one when they bet from 10-100 whether a sentence contains error or not? #eltchat |
| GlenysHanson |
2015-05-20T20:07:06 |
#eltchat @migueCorDi For written work, I'd make a selection of errors and get them to correct them in groups. Your idea is more fun |
| HanaHainsworth |
2015-05-20T20:07:43 |
@Marisa_C they work in teams to discuss and bid if the sentence is correct or not, it's really fun #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2015-05-20T20:08:05 |
@HanaHainsworth sounds great thanks #eltchat |
| Sunny_EvaS |
2015-05-20T20:08:24 |
I try to make grading essays more enjoyable by using colourful markers&I always give positive feedback after pointing out mistakes #ELTchat |
| HanaHainsworth |
2015-05-20T20:08:40 |
@Ven_VVE that's it! #eltchat |
| Ven_VVE |
2015-05-20T20:09:33 |
@HanaHainsworth I like that one too! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2015-05-20T20:09:34 |
@Sunny_EvaS do you colour code errors? I used to do that with text highlighters #eltchat Ss correct in groups or choose their colours |
| SueAnnan |
2015-05-20T20:09:38 |
sorry peeps. I forgot it was wednesday #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2015-05-20T20:10:22 |
#eltchat Error correction codes are great but it's more fun it Ss create their own with fun & silly symbols #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2015-05-20T20:10:27 |
Are we talking written, spoken or both? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2015-05-20T20:10:55 |
@Shaunwilden both #eltchat whatever comes |
| ojones_edit |
2015-05-20T20:11:04 |
@Sunny_EvaS I like your idea! #ELTchat #edit2000 |
| GlenysHanson |
2015-05-20T20:11:32 |
#eltchat @ojones Groups put their suggested corrections on flipchart sheets and then put them on the wall for all the class to correct. |
| SueAnnan |
2015-05-20T20:11:56 |
Spoken errors always feel like putting students on the spot #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2015-05-20T20:11:57 |
@SueAnnan hey was looking for you and for you @Shaunwilden phew! I'm not alone in the world!!! #ELTchat |
| MigueCorDi |
2015-05-20T20:12:22 |
@Shaunwilden I imagine both #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2015-05-20T20:12:33 |
@Marisa_C @SueAnnan struggling but will try and be here #eltchat |
| GlenysHanson |
2015-05-20T20:12:39 |
#eltchat @ojones When it's a group proposition they don't feel stressed. |
| Marisa_C |
2015-05-20T20:13:03 |
Sometimes deliberate mistakes - like "take this exercise and turn it into complete nonsense" works well for LA and tickles Ss #ELtchat |
| SueAnnan |
2015-05-20T20:13:25 |
@Marisa_C @Shaunwilden I was in bed with a lurgy. #eltchat |
| GlenysHanson |
2015-05-20T20:14:04 |
#eltchat @SueAnnan It all depends on how you do it. If there's no judgementalism, they don't feel put on the spot. |
| Shaunwilden |
2015-05-20T20:14:31 |
@SueAnnan @Marisa_C Oh no poor you, get well soon - my issue is a recalcitrant young one #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2015-05-20T20:15:00 |
@GlenysHanson @SueAnnan very true #eltchat |
| GlenysHanson |
2015-05-20T20:15:27 |
#eltchat Students arrive in class feeling ashamed of mistakes. Our role to joke them out of it. |
| SueAnnan |
2015-05-20T20:15:52 |
@Marisa_C @GlenysHanson it isn't easy when the errors are all coming from one or two students though #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2015-05-20T20:15:55 |
Hear hear!! Very important #eltchat take the shame out of making mistakes https://t.co/8qVA9dIyez |
| Shaunwilden |
2015-05-20T20:16:32 |
@Marisa_C maybe stop calling them mistakes is a starting point? #eltchat |
| HanaHainsworth |
2015-05-20T20:16:42 |
@SueAnnan I know what you mean. I often do delayed error correction and always make sure I respond to the content #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2015-05-20T20:17:03 |
I always say that No errors, means I don't have a job #eltchat They are just a learning curve |
| Marisa_C |
2015-05-20T20:17:28 |
@Shaunwilden what would you call them ? #eltchat Deviations variations, unfortunate episodes :-D (just asking really ) #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2015-05-20T20:17:43 |
RT @SueAnnan: I always say that No errors, means I don't have a job #eltchat They are just a learning curve |
| SueAnnan |
2015-05-20T20:18:00 |
@HanaHainsworth what's your context Hannah? My classes are always multinational #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2015-05-20T20:18:06 |
@Marisa_C things we can improve on, say in a different way..I meant with students not during #eltchat |
| MigueCorDi |
2015-05-20T20:18:11 |
They usually undertand mistakes are part of the learning process #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2015-05-20T20:18:14 |
"Don't put me out of work. Make mistakes! " good slogan #eltchat |
| GlenysHanson |
2015-05-20T20:18:37 |
RT @Marisa_C: "Don't put me out of work. Make mistakes! " good slogan #eltchat |
| HanaHainsworth |
2015-05-20T20:19:32 |
@SueAnnan at the moment I'm teaching multilingual classes in the UK but I have a lot of experience with Japanese students #eltchat |
| HanaHainsworth |
2015-05-20T20:20:17 |
@SueAnnan you have to be careful w/ ss with low affective filters! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2015-05-20T20:20:21 |
Has anyone used the 'human computer' technique from CLL? My Ss love it! #eltchat |
| GlenysHanson |
2015-05-20T20:20:22 |
#eltchat @SueAnnan I sometimes used to forbid people from speaking unless they felt they would make a mistake. |
| Sunny_EvaS |
2015-05-20T20:20:39 |
#ELTchat In speaking exercises my adult students usually urge me to correct them more often. They want their mistakes pointed out @SueAnnan |
| Marisa_C |
2015-05-20T20:21:16 |
@Sunny_EvaS @SueAnnan Sure but giving into being in correction mode ALL the time not great #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2015-05-20T20:21:22 |
@GlenysHanson how did that work? #ELTchat My sts talk anyway- and some manage to butcher the language as they do so #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2015-05-20T20:21:38 |
@Sunny_EvaS @SueAnnan Is that through habit though, i.e. they’ve always focused on or been focused on accuracy? #eltchat |
| HanaHainsworth |
2015-05-20T20:21:53 |
@Marisa_C that sounds interesting, I'm going to look it up! #eltchat |
| GlenysHanson |
2015-05-20T20:21:59 |
#eltchat @SueAnnan I made it clear I wasn't really interested in the students who didn't make mistakes. I hope I did it nicely. |
| Ven_VVE |
2015-05-20T20:22:00 |
@Sunny_EvaS @SueAnnan I get this from my undergrads in online setting too, where they do mostly writing. #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2015-05-20T20:22:15 |
I think accuracy or fluency demands different approaches #ELTchat |
| Sunny_EvaS |
2015-05-20T20:23:31 |
@Marisa_C @SueAnnan I know, but they especially do it during exam periods when they want to spot even minor mistakes. #eltchat |
| MigueCorDi |
2015-05-20T20:23:50 |
You can play the devil's advocate with them. Defend that an error is actually correct and let them argue with you #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2015-05-20T20:23:56 |
I sometimes find that sts continue to make errors even after corrections. #ELTchat |
| GlenysHanson |
2015-05-20T20:24:02 |
#eltchat @SueAnnan I only looked at and responded to students who made mistakes. I showed I didn't appreciate the over talkative.... |
| Marisa_C |
2015-05-20T20:24:31 |
"The Human Computer" technique demonstrated here - minute 10:47/8 or so http://t.co/Au7x5YXwjb #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2015-05-20T20:24:41 |
RT @Marisa_C: "The Human Computer" technique demonstrated here - minute 10:47/8 or so http://t.co/Au7x5YXwjb #ELTchat |
| GlenysHanson |
2015-05-20T20:24:58 |
#eltchat @SueAnnan ... didn't always work though. Strongminded, talkative students were a pain. |
| SueAnnan |
2015-05-20T20:25:24 |
@GlenysHanson I seem to get my fair share of them too #eltchat |
| Sunny_EvaS |
2015-05-20T20:25:45 |
@Shaunwilden No,they are just too stressed out before exam sessions&want to be perfect.I still encourage spontaneous interactions #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2015-05-20T20:26:40 |
I often do error gravity w traineeTs but I think it might be useful with Ss too - list of errors - mark how serious #eltchat 0-5 0=no error |
| SueAnnan |
2015-05-20T20:27:12 |
@Marisa_C that sounds like a good idea #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2015-05-20T20:27:31 |
One of the greatest issues in L2 acquisition - does correction REALLY help? #eltchat https://t.co/MYKFCeDBSJ |
| Shaunwilden |
2015-05-20T20:27:57 |
@Marisa_C Don’t know why, I never thought of doing that with sts! #eltchat |
| GlenysHanson |
2015-05-20T20:28:24 |
#eltchat @SueAnnan I didn't actually correct students but got them to correct themselves. Some things just take time. |
| SueAnnan |
2015-05-20T20:28:36 |
@Marisa_C krashen says it doesn't. I see it working on some sts, but I don't want to demotivate the ones who don't notice #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2015-05-20T20:28:37 |
@Shaunwilden makes sense no? they think EVERY single mistake a disaster #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2015-05-20T20:29:17 |
Krashen says classroom instruction not needed either - let's cool it #eltchat https://t.co/oqKzo5xiJg |
| SueAnnan |
2015-05-20T20:29:50 |
@Marisa_C Not a fan, Marisa mou? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2015-05-20T20:30:36 |
@SueAnnan Oh very much so but I think ideas need to travel from the researcher's brain to the classroom #eltchat |
| GlenysHanson |
2015-05-20T20:30:39 |
#eltchat I often made a student "the expert" on a mistake they made frequently. If some else made the mistake, we'd ask the expert for help |
| Sunny_EvaS |
2015-05-20T20:30:48 |
@MigueCorDi Not sure it helps. I sometimes pretend to forget the correct gram.function in a sentence and make them look it up. #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2015-05-20T20:31:51 |
@GlenysHanson but only once they have got it fixed, I assume? #eltchat |
| MigueCorDi |
2015-05-20T20:33:29 |
@Sunny_EvaS Most of the time they can correct it themselves without looking it up, just need think about it. But they enjoy it #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2015-05-20T20:33:42 |
How about using screencasts? I know it's not a new thing but not everyone familiar with this #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2015-05-20T20:33:47 |
So do you think error correction is effective? Or are there some other factors at work #ELTchat |
| MigueCorDi |
2015-05-20T20:34:50 |
@GlenysHanson I like that. I've done something similar on a mistake I've just explained to a student when working in groups #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2015-05-20T20:35:05 |
@SueAnnan What do you mean? #eltchat |
| MigueCorDi |
2015-05-20T20:35:24 |
@Marisa_C I don't know what that is #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2015-05-20T20:35:40 |
@Shaunwilden do sts need intrinsic motivation to correct errors ? #eltchat |
| GlenysHanson |
2015-05-20T20:35:51 |
@SueAnnan #eltchat Errors are not always "fixed" or "not fixed" - they're in the process of resolution. If the expert needed help no prob |
| Marisa_C |
2015-05-20T20:37:00 |
Some resources in errors & correction from my pinterest - not all fun mind #eltchat |
| sultanmedico |
2015-05-20T20:37:33 |
RT @ShellTerrell: Yes, teachers know how to have fun at conferences http://t.co/KehlTD29Ta #iatefl #harlemshake #Eltchat |
| brockus_a |
2015-05-20T20:37:41 |
If errors are continuous w/o improvement, I usually find reapproaching material from a new direction can be most helpful. #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2015-05-20T20:38:10 |
@Marisa_C link please #eltchat |
| GlenysHanson |
2015-05-20T20:38:24 |
#eltchat @Shaunwilden Intrinsic motivation can be created by making the learning process fun. It doesn't have to pre-exist. |
| brockus_a |
2015-05-20T20:38:25 |
I rarely outright correct errors outside of writing. Without a tip it generally doesn't stick in conversation. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2015-05-20T20:38:25 |
@SueAnnan dont they intrinsically want to get out right? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2015-05-20T20:39:17 |
oops here you are http://t.co/VMv3jHLYeN #eltchat https://t.co/WtbRsnp7n5 |
| MigueCorDi |
2015-05-20T20:39:34 |
@brockus_a sometimes errors are recurring because of a lack of attention. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2015-05-20T20:39:58 |
got to go, sorry @Marisa_C and @SueAnnan #eltchat |
| GlenysHanson |
2015-05-20T20:40:19 |
#eltchat @SueAnnan I agree most people do like getting things right. |
| SueAnnan |
2015-05-20T20:41:00 |
@Shaunwilden I'm not sure . At Int level they can stagnate when they feel people understand, so don't worry about errors #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2015-05-20T20:42:20 |
Here is a great link to show you how to use screencasts http://t.co/YOXEatbFVo by @russell1955 #eltchat |
| GlenysHanson |
2015-05-20T20:42:25 |
#eltchat Sometimes I feel teachers are as scared of getting students to correct mistakes as students are of making them. |
| brockus_a |
2015-05-20T20:43:06 |
@MigueCorDi Exactly, but I find in spoken contexts they rarely pay attention to correction. Reapproach adds attention. #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2015-05-20T20:43:13 |
@GlenysHanson I agree. I've been observing recently and sometimes there is nothing to see in the way of EC #eltchat |
| MigueCorDi |
2015-05-20T20:43:44 |
Thanks fr the link @Marisa_C #eltchat |
| HanaHainsworth |
2015-05-20T20:44:02 |
@Marisa_C I like using screencasts but I've never used them for error correction before #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2015-05-20T20:44:23 |
@MigueCorDi not sure it's the best one - couldn't readilyh find the one he does correction #eltchat |
| brockus_a |
2015-05-20T20:44:29 |
@GlenysHanson Perhaps. I think that's likely the best method! That and getting students to teach. #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2015-05-20T20:45:08 |
@HanaHainsworth @Marisa_C I use them for correcting writing. Very efficient, little videos made with JIng help explain the whys too #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2015-05-20T20:45:28 |
@HanaHainsworth i just did one earlier but it's for a lesson plan so not a good example #eltchat |
| MigueCorDi |
2015-05-20T20:45:51 |
@brockus_a True. Also, what I've notices is vey fluent Ss with poor accuracy and very accurate Ss with no fluency at all. Balance!! #eltchat |
| GlenysHanson |
2015-05-20T20:46:03 |
@brockus_ #eltchat I agree getting students to teach other can be great. |
| SueAnnan |
2015-05-20T20:46:46 |
@MigueCorDi @brockus_a Oh yes. You've just described my class :-) #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2015-05-20T20:46:58 |
RT @GlenysHanson: @brockus_ #eltchat I agree getting students to teach other can be great. |
| Marisa_C |
2015-05-20T20:48:26 |
Actually need to go & do one more screencast for another lesson tomorrow :-) hope you will firgive me @SueAnnan it's Delta season #eltchat |
| GlenysHanson |
2015-05-20T20:48:34 |
@SueAnnan #eltchat Teachers need freeing from the idea that EC will humiliate students. It's all in the way it's done. |
| Marisa_C |
2015-05-20T20:49:19 |
Only ten mins to go - Who is going to volunteer the summary - make your bidding NOW or you might not get it! #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2015-05-20T20:49:43 |
I think that correcting writing presents less of a problem. And sts like it. It isn't always comfortable to correct speaking #eltchat |
| brockus_a |
2015-05-20T20:50:08 |
@GlenysHanson It often shows me where they're confused/not understanding, in addition to more well known benefits #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2015-05-20T20:50:09 |
@Marisa_C I'll write this one- it's been a while :-) #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2015-05-20T20:51:24 |
#eltchat https://t.co/ixlxqorWPy |
| SueAnnan |
2015-05-20T20:52:12 |
some super ideas to mull over. THanks everyone for the contributions #eltchat |
| HanaHainsworth |
2015-05-20T20:53:44 |
Yes, lots of good ideas. Thanks everyone :-) #eltchat |
| GlenysHanson |
2015-05-20T20:53:53 |
#eltchat Thanks everyone for being so interesting. |
| MigueCorDi |
2015-05-20T20:54:04 |
Thanks everyone. This is the first #eltchat I've taken part in from start to finish |
| Marisa_C |
2015-05-20T20:54:15 |
hard to go - how about voice recording tools for peer correction in speaking - S1 records sends to S2 who listens, corrects etc #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2015-05-20T20:54:38 |
@MigueCorDi delighted to have you with us #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2015-05-20T20:55:03 |
So error correction as homework with vocaroo or voxopop #eltchat |
| MigueCorDi |
2015-05-20T20:55:09 |
@Marisa_C nice!! #eltchat |
| GlenysHanson |
2015-05-20T20:55:32 |
#eltchat Can we have course books next week? |
| SueAnnan |
2015-05-20T20:55:58 |
@Marisa_C might work,most of my students would try to be correct first. LOL the mistakes are usually in the heat of the moment #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2015-05-20T20:56:25 |
@GlenysHanson it will go up again as a topic - may be #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2015-05-20T20:56:52 |
@GlenysHanson You need everyone to vote for it though #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2015-05-20T20:57:06 |
@SueAnnan well the idea of voice recording is also SELF correction - repetition till u get it down perfect! #eltchat |
| GlenysHanson |
2015-05-20T20:57:32 |
@SueAnnan @Marisa_C #eltchat I feel feedback is more effective as you say in the heat of the moment. Afterwards it's "dead language. |
| SueAnnan |
2015-05-20T20:59:11 |
@GlenysHanson @Marisa_C although a case can be made for cold correction if the timing doesn't suit #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2015-05-20T20:59:31 |
@GlenysHanson @SueAnnan don't actually agree- but this depends on the age the aims and motivation of the class or individual - #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2015-05-20T21:00:12 |
@Marisa_C @GlenysHanson Absolutely :-) #eltchat |
| GlenysHanson |
2015-05-20T21:00:33 |
@SueAnnan @Marisa_C #eltchat Hot correction for oral, cold correction for written. |
| SueAnnan |
2015-05-20T21:00:56 |
Time to wrap this up and say goodnight. Thanks for a useful #ELTChat as always :-) |
| Marisa_C |
2015-05-20T21:01:49 |
@GlenysHanson Nothing is cast in stone in ELT - have different experiences to you so not all black n white #eltchat |
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