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Marisa_C |
2015-01-14T11:05:37 |
It's official! "What is the best way to exploit authentic materials?" is the topic u voted for on #ELTchat - in abt an hour @sandymillin |
Ashowski |
2015-01-14T12:03:21 |
I'm here #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
2015-01-14T12:03:43 |
I’ll be there in a mo :-) #ELTChat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2015-01-14T12:03:58 |
Hi everyone, I am here. #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
2015-01-14T12:04:03 |
Hi everyone ...ready for a 2015 #ELTchat on exploiting authentic material |
HadaLitim |
2015-01-14T12:04:30 |
@MarjorieRosenbe Hi Marje! Welcome )) #ELTChat |
angelos_bollas |
2015-01-14T12:04:34 |
Hello #ELTchat. Nice to be back! Happy New Year, everyone! :) |
HadaLitim |
2015-01-14T12:05:00 |
@Ashowski Hiya thanks for joining us #ELTChat |
esolcourses |
2015-01-14T12:05:04 |
@Ashowski Here too, though I can't stop long :-) #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
2015-01-14T12:05:20 |
Hi everyone #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
2015-01-14T12:05:28 |
@angelos_bollas Hola! Hope it's been a good start for everyone #ELTChat |
HadaLitim |
2015-01-14T12:05:49 |
@esolcourses @Ashowski Hi Sue! Great to have you with us! #ELTChat |
Marisa_C |
2015-01-14T12:05:51 |
Hi everyone and welcome to this edition of #ELTchat |
Ashowski |
2015-01-14T12:05:59 |
@esolcourses I'll be half in half out myself #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2015-01-14T12:06:02 |
Happy New Year everyone. #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
2015-01-14T12:06:06 |
@Shaunwilden Hi Shaun! #ELTChat |
HadaLitim |
2015-01-14T12:06:19 |
RT @Marisa_C: Hi everyone and welcome to this edition of #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden |
2015-01-14T12:06:25 |
@Ashowski @esolcourses Is that hokey cokey #ELTChat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2015-01-14T12:06:30 |
topic is using authentic materials, right? #eltchat |
Ashowski |
2015-01-14T12:06:35 |
#eltchat we're talking about materials and authentic use or materials in #ELT ? |
HadaLitim |
2015-01-14T12:06:41 |
@Marisa_C Hi Marisa! Good to be back! #ELTChat |
Marisa_C |
2015-01-14T12:06:48 |
Reminding you all about the hangout with Nicky Hockly next week and to submit #edtech topics for #ELTchat http://t.co/Wf0glMVpzy |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2015-01-14T12:06:57 |
@HadaLitim @angelos_bollas So far so good. #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
2015-01-14T12:07:05 |
RT @Marisa_C: Reminding you all about the hangout with Nicky Hockly next week and to submit #edtech topics for #ELTchat http://t.co/Wf0glMV… |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2015-01-14T12:07:15 |
RT @Marisa_C: Reminding you all about the hangout with Nicky Hockly next week and to submit #edtech topics for #ELTchat http://t.co/Wf0glMV… |
esolcourses |
2015-01-14T12:07:16 |
@HadaLitim @Ashowski great to be here, too... even if it is just a flying visit this time round ;-) #eltchat |
sandymillin |
2015-01-14T12:07:30 |
Hi everyone! Long time no see :) #eltchat And it’s my topic too ;) |
HadaLitim |
2015-01-14T12:07:32 |
@MarjorieRosenbe @angelos_bollas It's been a mad start to the year but fortunate one for us #ELTChat |
Marisa_C |
2015-01-14T12:07:38 |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: topic is using authentic materials, right? #eltchat > Right! welcome and congrats from us all Marjorie |
angelos_bollas |
2015-01-14T12:07:49 |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @MarjorieRosenbe: topic is using authentic materials, right? #eltchat > Right! welcome and congrats from us all Marjorie |
Ashowski |
2015-01-14T12:08:02 |
@esolcourses @HadaLitim great to have you here #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
2015-01-14T12:08:10 |
@HadaLitim @MarjorieRosenbe Same here! ;-) #ELTChat |
Marisa_C |
2015-01-14T12:08:17 |
@esolcourses hya so good to see you pls stay! #ELTChat |
HadaLitim |
2015-01-14T12:08:19 |
@Marisa_C @MarjorieRosenbe YES!! HUGE congrats Marjorie...couldn't think of a better candidate for the post #ELTChat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2015-01-14T12:08:20 |
Do we have a definition for authentic materials? Does it have to be magazines or newspapers? #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2015-01-14T12:08:33 |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: Do we have a definition for authentic materials? Does it have to be magazines or newspapers? #eltchat |
Ashowski |
2015-01-14T12:08:41 |
@sandymillin welcome! #eltchat |
esolcourses |
2015-01-14T12:08:45 |
@Shaunwilden @Ashowski Knees bent, arms stretched, and poised to do the ra-ras ;-) #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
2015-01-14T12:09:00 |
@MarjorieRosenbe It could be audio and visual too. It could be packaging or...#ELTChat |
joannacre |
2015-01-14T12:09:01 |
Hi everyone!! Happy New Year : ) #eltchat |
patrickelt |
2015-01-14T12:09:04 |
@esolcourses @HadaLitim @Ashowski Hello everyone. Happy New Year. Must leave at 12.30 #ELTChat |
sandymillin |
2015-01-14T12:09:09 |
@MarjorieRosenbe I think authentic materials can be anything with some form of text on it. Certainly not just magazine/newspaper #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
2015-01-14T12:09:11 |
@MarjorieRosenbe Anything written for any purpose other than language instruction use #ELTChat |
HadaLitim |
2015-01-14T12:09:20 |
@MarjorieRosenbe @Marisa_C I bet! So exciting #ELTChat |
angelos_bollas |
2015-01-14T12:09:22 |
@joannacre Hey there! #ELTChat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2015-01-14T12:09:23 |
@HadaLitim Thanks Hada - very helpful. #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
2015-01-14T12:09:27 |
RT @sandymillin: @MarjorieRosenbe I think authentic materials can be anything with some form of text on it. Certainly not just magazine/new… |
esolcourses |
2015-01-14T12:09:30 |
@Marisa_C good to see you too, & will do my best to hang around :-) #ELTChat |
HadaLitim |
2015-01-14T12:09:41 |
@patrickelt @esolcourses @Ashowski Thanks for joining us #ELTChat |
esolcourses |
2015-01-14T12:09:51 |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: Do we have a definition for authentic materials? Does it have to be magazines or newspapers? #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
2015-01-14T12:09:52 |
@MarjorieRosenbe Or spoken, for that matter #ELTChat |
patrickelt |
2015-01-14T12:10:09 |
@MarjorieRosenbe Would have thought lots more than this. Includes menus, literature, conversations etc #eltchat |
esolcourses |
2015-01-14T12:10:09 |
RT @angelos_bollas: @MarjorieRosenbe Anything written for any purpose other than language instruction use #ELTChat |
David__Boughton |
2015-01-14T12:10:10 |
Happy new year #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2015-01-14T12:10:11 |
I did Jargon Busters for Cambridge for a long time - started with vocab, an article, discussion questions. My sts loved them. #eltchat |
Ashowski |
2015-01-14T12:10:16 |
@sandymillin @MarjorieRosenbe could be listening as well #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
2015-01-14T12:10:19 |
RT @patrickelt: @MarjorieRosenbe Would have thought lots more than this. Includes menus, literature, conversations etc #eltchat |
plots_of_brum |
2015-01-14T12:10:39 |
Hi everyone. Aren't authentic materials anything from real world..webpages, blogs, leaflets, radio, TV etc?#ELTChat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2015-01-14T12:10:44 |
Packing works well in BE - show examples and let them create their own. #eltchat |
David__Boughton |
2015-01-14T12:10:48 |
RT @angelos_bollas: @MarjorieRosenbe Anything written for any purpose other than language instruction use #ELTChat |
esolcourses |
2015-01-14T12:11:00 |
@MarjorieRosenbe agree with @Angelos Bollas that it can be other things #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
2015-01-14T12:11:10 |
RT @David__Boughton: RT @angelos_bollas: @MarjorieRosenbe Anything written for any purpose other than language instruction use #ELTChat |
Marisa_C |
2015-01-14T12:11:13 |
So, anything not created for teaching right? but for L1 & L2 users #ELTChat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2015-01-14T12:11:28 |
also used real menus in GE and with nutrition sts. Had pics of food on cards & they played restaurant game. They loved it. #ELTChat |
sandymillin |
2015-01-14T12:11:30 |
@MarjorieRosenbe Never heard the term ‘packing’ before - can you give a fuller definition? #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
2015-01-14T12:11:37 |
RT @Marisa_C: So, anything not created for teaching right? but for L1 & L2 users #ELTChat >true |
HadaLitim |
2015-01-14T12:11:49 |
@sandymillin @MarjorieRosenbe Text messages are a great resource too. Posters, billboards, stickers, Tshirt prints, slogans, logos #ELTChat |
MaggieMaslowski |
2015-01-14T12:11:54 |
RT @Marisa_C: Reminding you all about the hangout with Nicky Hockly next week and to submit #edtech topics for #ELTchat http://t.co/Wf0glMV… |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2015-01-14T12:11:55 |
@sandymillin Sorry, meant packaging. #eltchat |
sandymillin |
2015-01-14T12:11:57 |
@Marisa_C Exactly - doesn’t have to have been made for native speakers only #ELTChat |
patrickelt |
2015-01-14T12:12:01 |
@plots_of_brum Would agree #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
2015-01-14T12:12:04 |
RT @plots_of_brum: Hi everyone. Aren't authentic materials anything from real world..webpages, blogs, leaflets, radio, TV etc?#ELTChat |
David__Boughton |
2015-01-14T12:12:08 |
Would you consider material for other subjects authentic esl material? (e.g. history textbook) Do you use it? #eltchat |
sandymillin |
2015-01-14T12:12:19 |
@MarjorieRosenbe That makes more sense :) I’ve heard of that! ;) #ELTChat |
ELTwriter |
2015-01-14T12:12:24 |
@angelos_bollas @MarjorieRosenbe correct #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
2015-01-14T12:12:25 |
@HadaLitim tweets, FB status updates, etc. @sandymillin @MarjorieRosenbe #ELTChat |
Marisa_C |
2015-01-14T12:12:27 |
@David__Boughton yes I would #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
2015-01-14T12:12:37 |
RT @David__Boughton: Would you consider material for other subjects authentic esl material? (e.g. history textbook) Do you use it? #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
2015-01-14T12:12:39 |
@plots_of_brum Yes so I thought. Anything for of language not produce for the classroom #ELTChat |
angelos_bollas |
2015-01-14T12:12:40 |
@ELTwriter Welcome! #ELTChat |
HadaLitim |
2015-01-14T12:12:42 |
RT @angelos_bollas: @HadaLitim tweets, FB status updates, etc. @sandymillin @MarjorieRosenbe #ELTChat |
sandymillin |
2015-01-14T12:12:50 |
@HadaLitim A trainee used a text conversation for his CELTA authentic materials assignment - screenshot from iPhone :) #ELTChat |
joannacre |
2015-01-14T12:12:52 |
@MarjorieRosenbe I used the London tube map and got them to give directions and stuff #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
2015-01-14T12:12:56 |
RT @angelos_bollas: @HadaLitim tweets, FB status updates, etc. @sandymillin @MarjorieRosenbe #ELTChat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2015-01-14T12:12:58 |
@sandymillin Sorry, bit distracted with other things today. #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2015-01-14T12:13:00 |
Great - eltpics or Map of Linguistic Urban Landscape are great resources for signs. #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
2015-01-14T12:13:04 |
RT @David__Boughton: Would you consider material for other subjects authentic esl material? Do you use it? #eltchat>Yes!!! |
patrickelt |
2015-01-14T12:13:09 |
@Marisa_C I kind of agree but wonder whether anything created without preset language focus could be included #eltchat |
Ashowski |
2015-01-14T12:13:19 |
@HadaLitim @sandymillin @MarjorieRosenbe I thought about text messages yesteeday being a good source :) #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
2015-01-14T12:13:19 |
@sandymillin Creative! #ELTchat How? |
esolcourses |
2015-01-14T12:13:21 |
RT @angelos_bollas: RT @David__Boughton: Would you consider material for other subjects authentic esl material? Do you use it? #eltchat>Yes… |
Ashowski |
2015-01-14T12:13:27 |
RT @sandymillin: @HadaLitim A trainee used a text conversation for his CELTA authentic materials assignment - screenshot from iPhone :) #EL… |
plots_of_brum |
2015-01-14T12:13:28 |
@HadaLitim Yep..that was my understanding too :) #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2015-01-14T12:13:34 |
Also logic puzzles written for L1 sts, work fine with learners. #eltchat |
sandymillin |
2015-01-14T12:13:36 |
@David__Boughton Yes, because it’s not designed with linguistic purposes (e.g. no input flood/specific language point) #eltchat |
patrickelt |
2015-01-14T12:13:43 |
@sandymillin @Marisa_C Yes, that is important #ELTChat |
Ashowski |
2015-01-14T12:14:06 |
@David__Boughton I would! They were written not for use in the #ELT classroom #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2015-01-14T12:14:14 |
Main thing is to pre-teach the vocab if they need it. #ELTChat |
Marisa_C |
2015-01-14T12:14:25 |
@patrickelt there is language in every piece of material - the key is your reason for choosing it #ELTChat |
angelos_bollas |
2015-01-14T12:14:26 |
@joannacre I don’t think I can give directions on the London tube map - lol #ELTChat |
sandymillin |
2015-01-14T12:14:30 |
@HadaLitim The same as you would use any other reading text, but the connections between messages were focussed on particularly #ELTChat |
mhornillos |
2015-01-14T12:14:31 |
RT @muranava: A Pron Chart Zoo #eltchat #eltchinwag #tesol #langchat #evo http://t.co/VDgS62M8dA |
plots_of_brum |
2015-01-14T12:14:42 |
Reviews from Trip Advisor / Rotten Tomatoes are good. After language work, Ls can post own reviews #ELTChat |
Shaunwilden |
2015-01-14T12:14:43 |
@MarjorieRosenbe But does that remove authenticity?#ELTChat |
Ashowski |
2015-01-14T12:15:04 |
@patrickelt @Marisa_C if it's written in a language, then language for focus can be extracted from it #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2015-01-14T12:15:07 |
@patrickelt So to begin with you need to look for material that fits some aims or you use material that has caught ur fancy? #ELTChat |
sandymillin |
2015-01-14T12:15:17 |
@Shaunwilden @MarjorieRosenbe Think it depends on whether it’s blocking vocab or not - just how vital is it to know. #ELTChat |
joannacre |
2015-01-14T12:15:26 |
@MarjorieRosenbe tv shows, series work well. Used hannah montana, friends and downton abbey #eltchat |
esolcourses |
2015-01-14T12:15:29 |
Robert O'Neill raises some interesting points about authenticity at the end of this article: http://t.co/l5vAB2mkhp #eltchat |
ELTwriter |
2015-01-14T12:15:30 |
is it heresy to adapt/simplify/easify authentic materials for a) class b) published materials these days? #eltchat |
sandymillin |
2015-01-14T12:15:38 |
@Shaunwilden @MarjorieRosenbe And is the vocal something they need generally/would have chance to look up #ELTChat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2015-01-14T12:15:39 |
If written for L2 does that mean it is also authentic - Guess graded readers fit in here. #eltchat Big discussion point while writing CB. |
angelos_bollas |
2015-01-14T12:15:43 |
@MarjorieRosenbe Or to teach them ways to attack the ‘text’ even if they don’t know the vocal, right? #ELTChat |
patrickelt |
2015-01-14T12:15:51 |
@MarjorieRosenbe I would often not pre-teach. Wouldn't it be useful for learners to learn from context #ELTChat |
HadaLitim |
2015-01-14T12:16:02 |
@sandymillin I meant what was the aim? objectives of the lesson? A bit of a long one to describe here I guess #ELTChat |
sandymillin |
2015-01-14T12:16:02 |
@Shaunwilden @MarjorieRosenbe Depends on activity purpose: using it as a text, or for training in how to approach authentic mats #ELTChat |
David__Boughton |
2015-01-14T12:16:11 |
How often do people simplify authentic texts? It's time consuming, and does it lose it's value? #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
2015-01-14T12:16:13 |
@sandymillin @MarjorieRosenbe Yes - i was using it to introduce the idea of authenticity of task as well as material #ELTChat |
michaelegriffin |
2015-01-14T12:16:22 |
@Shaunwilden @MarjorieRosenbe Is the authenticity u mean more about the materials or the way they are used? #ELTchat For me its the former. |
esolcourses |
2015-01-14T12:16:22 |
RT @David__Boughton: How often do people simplify authentic texts? It's time consuming, and does it lose it's value? #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2015-01-14T12:16:27 |
@ELTwriter no heresy - I am happy to break rules and simplify but try to give Ss the REAL thing at the end #ELTChat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2015-01-14T12:16:36 |
Video clips - great idea. Do you consider Vicki Hollett's videos authentic? Made for teaching but wonderful to watch. #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
2015-01-14T12:16:47 |
RT @esolcourses: Robert O'Neill raises some interesting points about authenticity at the end of this article: http://t.co/l5vAB2mkhp #eltch… |
sandymillin |
2015-01-14T12:16:49 |
@ELTwriter Not heresy, but simplifying it removes the authenticity. If by adapt, you mean choose part of it, that’s fine I think #ELTChat |
Shaunwilden |
2015-01-14T12:16:49 |
@michaelegriffin @MarjorieRosenbe I am not always sure you can have one without the other #ELTChat |
HadaLitim |
2015-01-14T12:17:00 |
@esolcourses Thanks Sue will read later #ELTChat |
plots_of_brum |
2015-01-14T12:17:05 |
@MarjorieRosenbe I would say graded readers are inauthentic as the language has been graded. But could be wrong....#ELTChat |
sandymillin |
2015-01-14T12:17:22 |
@MarjorieRosenbe Graded readers aren’t authentic because the language is moderated to make it easier for learners #ELTChat |
patrickelt |
2015-01-14T12:17:22 |
@Marisa_C Yes, think about function/purpose of text rather than language included #ELTChat |
HadaLitim |
2015-01-14T12:17:23 |
RT @Marisa_C: @patrickelt So to begin with you need to look for material that fits some aims or you use material that has caught ur fancy? … |
angelos_bollas |
2015-01-14T12:17:39 |
@MarjorieRosenbe I don’t see readers as authentic material-they are designed w/ language classroom use in mind, aren’t they? #ELTChat |
michaelegriffin |
2015-01-14T12:17:40 |
#ELTchat here is a collection of authentic materials I thought might be interesting for class. https://t.co/2rKjB0d039 |
Marisa_C |
2015-01-14T12:17:57 |
@sandymillin @ELTwriter I think choosing usable excerpts is a great idea and not very well exploited by most Ts #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2015-01-14T12:18:03 |
@sandymillin That's what I thought. Am just confused then at texts aimed at L2. #eltchat |
esolcourses |
2015-01-14T12:18:03 |
@David__Boughton IMO, much depends on the level. Finding authentic texts for use with lower levels isn't easy... #ELTChat |
ELTwriter |
2015-01-14T12:18:05 |
@Shaunwilden @sandymillin @MarjorieRosenbe this is key 'authentic task' - would the target learners use that material in that way #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
2015-01-14T12:18:11 |
@sandymillin @MarjorieRosenbe By definition they aren't authentic, right? #ELTChat |
plots_of_brum |
2015-01-14T12:18:21 |
@David__Boughton Yep agree. Better to grade the task, not the text. #ELTChat |
Marisa_C |
2015-01-14T12:18:30 |
RT @plots_of_brum: @David__Boughton Yep agree. Better to grade the task, not the text. #ELTChat |
sandymillin |
2015-01-14T12:18:38 |
@michaelegriffin If using authentic materials, you should try to reflect how they’d be used in real life. #ELTChat |
faraz_qurashi |
2015-01-14T12:18:58 |
RT @David__Boughton: How often do people simplify authentic texts? It's time consuming, and does it lose it's value? #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
2015-01-14T12:19:10 |
RT @ELTwriter: @Shaunwilden @sandymillin @MarjorieRosenbe this is key 'authentic task' - would the target learners use that material in tha… |
michaelegriffin |
2015-01-14T12:19:17 |
@Shaunwilden #Eltchat just as a simple example I think using authentic maps in atypical and not real life ways has some value/interest. |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2015-01-14T12:19:18 |
@esolcourses @David__Boughton Agree. Even children's books use very complicated language at times and content not best for adults. #eltchat |
sandymillin |
2015-01-14T12:19:24 |
@michaelegriffin For example, we might read a DVD cover for info like length of film, actors in film etc #ELTChat |
HadaLitim |
2015-01-14T12:19:27 |
@Shaunwilden @sandymillin @MarjorieRosenbe Is the task authentic or the material? #eltchat |
Ashowski |
2015-01-14T12:19:36 |
@patrickelt @MarjorieRosenbe plus managing understanding a text without knowing all words is a vital skill they need to develop #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2015-01-14T12:19:36 |
Nothing wrong with simulated authenticity esp for beginners/elementary - or will have to wait for a long time b4 authentic text #ELTChat |
joannacre |
2015-01-14T12:19:36 |
@esolcourses @David__Boughton totally agree, so i try to use shorter texts with loads of pics/comics etc #eltchat |
patrickelt |
2015-01-14T12:19:41 |
@angelos_bollas @MarjorieRosenbe I would agree but does the same apply to books teaching children to read L1? #ELTChat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2015-01-14T12:19:45 |
@esolcourses @David__Boughton I meant that many children's books might not be interesting for adult learners. #eltchat |
David__Boughton |
2015-01-14T12:19:46 |
@esolcourses True, especially adults, who don't always like reading kids books (e.g. Dr. Suess, etc.) #eltchat |
michaelegriffin |
2015-01-14T12:20:01 |
@sandymillin I'm not so sure. What is this "should" based upon? #ELTchat |
plots_of_brum |
2015-01-14T12:20:15 |
I found a g8 app to record voicemails that had been left on my phone for #DELTA. Lesson went well #ELTChat |
angelos_bollas |
2015-01-14T12:20:35 |
@patrickelt how come? do they grade their language for linguistic or other purposes? @MarjorieRosenbe #ELTChat |
Marisa_C |
2015-01-14T12:20:39 |
If the text is authentic - should the tasks be authentic & faithful to the genre? #ELTChat |
patrickelt |
2015-01-14T12:20:42 |
@Marisa_C Yes agree - semi scripted listening texts are useful #ELTChat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2015-01-14T12:20:45 |
@patrickelt Depends on situation. If they can't manage, I pre-teach, if they can, I don't. #ELTChat This came up in previous chat. |
angelos_bollas |
2015-01-14T12:20:49 |
RT @plots_of_brum: I found a g8 app to record voicemails that had been left on my phone for #DELTA. Lesson went well #ELTChat |
Ashowski |
2015-01-14T12:20:58 |
@michaelegriffin @Shaunwilden hey mike good to see you here :) #eltchat |
sandymillin |
2015-01-14T12:21:02 |
@MarjorieRosenbe mats for non-native audiences are fine,if not for linguistic purpose http://t.co/iwy7gee6Xs for ppl moving to UK #eltchat |
Ashowski |
2015-01-14T12:21:16 |
@plots_of_brum @David__Boughton that's what I learnt in #Delta - good idea :) #eltchat |
patrickelt |
2015-01-14T12:21:16 |
@Marisa_C They can reflect realistic discourse #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2015-01-14T12:21:22 |
@Ashowski @patrickelt Depends on level. If it becomes frustrating they will just stop. #ELTChat |
David__Boughton |
2015-01-14T12:21:25 |
@MarjorieRosenbe Yes, I agree. Children's books aren't afraid of tricky idioms, slang, or difficult structure. #eltchat |
sandymillin |
2015-01-14T12:21:37 |
@esolcourses @David__Boughton For lower levels, you have to choose task carefully. e.g. I do session where trainees have to… #ELTChat |
sandymillin |
2015-01-14T12:22:11 |
@esolcourses @David__Boughton …identify the words ‘Harry’ and ‘Potter’ in a page from a HP book written in Cyrillic #ELTChat |
angelos_bollas |
2015-01-14T12:22:14 |
@Marisa_C Unless we use it with lower level SS and we simplify the task to make it more manageable, right? #ELTChat |
joannacre |
2015-01-14T12:22:17 |
I think adults like auth texts. My BE sts love it when I give them sth from BBC capital. They don't understand all but enjoy it #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
2015-01-14T12:22:20 |
RT @Marisa_C: If the text is authentic - should the tasks be authentic & faithful to the genre? #ELTChat |
patrickelt |
2015-01-14T12:22:22 |
@angelos_bollas @MarjorieRosenbe Graded to provide repetition of words at low to level to develop skills #ELTChat |
Shaunwilden |
2015-01-14T12:22:23 |
RT @angelos_bollas: @Marisa_C Unless we use it with lower level SS and we simplify the task to make it more manageable, right? #ELTChat |
Marisa_C |
2015-01-14T12:22:37 |
So back to the real question in this topic - what decisions for exploiting authentic material? Where does a T begin? #ELTChat |
David__Boughton |
2015-01-14T12:22:50 |
@Marisa_C Yes, I like to lower my expectations, not the text or the tasks. #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
2015-01-14T12:23:06 |
@Marisa_C I don't think so. I think that one doesn't necessitate the other. It depends on the aim #ELTChat |
Chris_Myth |
2015-01-14T12:23:09 |
@ELTwriter #eltchat No I don't think it is heresy. I think it is a sound principle as authentic texts are often too difficult. |
eilymurphy |
2015-01-14T12:23:14 |
RT @David__Boughton: @Marisa_C Yes, I like to lower my expectations, not the text or the tasks. #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2015-01-14T12:23:14 |
Also big difference in what is done with authentic material. Do they read it alone or do you work through it together? #ELTChat |
Shaunwilden |
2015-01-14T12:23:15 |
RT @Marisa_C: So back to the real question in this topic - what decisions for exploiting authentic material? Where does a T begin? #ELTChat |
patrickelt |
2015-01-14T12:23:15 |
@MarjorieRosenbe @Ashowski Maybe but perhaps this indicates text is just too high a level #ELTChat |
plots_of_brum |
2015-01-14T12:23:20 |
@Ashowski @David__Boughton Much less time consuming to true to real life. Ls have to learn to deal with unknown lang. #ELTChat |
sandymillin |
2015-01-14T12:23:25 |
@Marisa_C For lower levels, we can also provide lots of support e.g. pictures, summary of text before, vocab #ELTChat |
angelos_bollas |
2015-01-14T12:23:32 |
@patrickelt this is not for foreign language teaching purposes. They are aimed at native speakers> authentic @MarjorieRosenbe #ELTChat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2015-01-14T12:23:50 |
@patrickelt @Ashowski Could be. But my bankers sometimes want to read relevant articles. #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
2015-01-14T12:23:55 |
@Marisa_C does this mean after the material has been chosen? #ELTChat |
HadaLitim |
2015-01-14T12:23:57 |
@jimscriv Thx for sharing. Pls join us on #ELTchat now, we're discussing using authentic material |
Marisa_C |
2015-01-14T12:24:00 |
@sandymillin ok great - so a very strong priming stage to prep Ss for content and language? #ELTChat |
eilymurphy |
2015-01-14T12:24:06 |
RT @plots_of_brum: @Ashowski @David__Boughton Much less time consuming to true to real life. Ls have to learn to deal with unknown lang. #E… |
Ashowski |
2015-01-14T12:24:08 |
@Marisa_C interest to the learners? #eltchat |
michaelegriffin |
2015-01-14T12:24:16 |
RT @Marisa_C: If the text is authentic - should the tasks be authentic & faithful to the genre? #ELTChat |
HadaLitim |
2015-01-14T12:24:16 |
RT @Marisa_C: @sandymillin ok great - so a very strong priming stage to prep Ss for content and language? #ELTChat |
Ashowski |
2015-01-14T12:24:21 |
RT @angelos_bollas: @Marisa_C Unless we use it with lower level SS and we simplify the task to make it more manageable, right? #ELTChat |
ELTwriter |
2015-01-14T12:24:29 |
@David__Boughton @MarjorieRosenbe reading stories my 5yr old this worries me + I sometimes grade-as-I-go so it's comprehensible #eltchat |
patrickelt |
2015-01-14T12:24:32 |
@joannacre Yes because this is what we ultimately want to do #ELTChat |
sandymillin |
2015-01-14T12:24:42 |
@michaelegriffin I mean teach learners to use them in a natural way. Like not trying to understand every word in a novel #ELTChat |
Ashowski |
2015-01-14T12:24:54 |
@MarjorieRosenbe @patrickelt I find it depends on the task #eltchat |
Chris_Myth |
2015-01-14T12:24:54 |
@Marisa_C #ELTChat Authentic tasks are often more motivating for learners |
Marisa_C |
2015-01-14T12:24:57 |
@Ashowski this refers to selection of text - sorry my Q was how u get started once u have the material #ELTChat |
sandymillin |
2015-01-14T12:25:06 |
@michaelegriffin Doesn’t mean we can’t use the materials in other ways too, but at least some activities should be ‘natural' #ELTChat |
joannacre |
2015-01-14T12:25:09 |
@Marisa_C whether it's intereresting, motivational. What will they learn with this. If my other material isn't working #eltchat |
ELTwriter |
2015-01-14T12:25:19 |
@David__Boughton what value? It has to be comprehensible on some level to that level of L1/L2 learner #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
2015-01-14T12:25:22 |
@Marisa_C With the aims I would say. I usually look at the Ss' needs and choose material to achieve the aims #ELTchat |
angelos_bollas |
2015-01-14T12:25:23 |
@Marisa_C First step: use an online tool such as pinterest (or even a wiki) to create a pool of authentic materials #ELTChat |
Ashowski |
2015-01-14T12:25:29 |
@Marisa_C @sandymillin yes! I think priming them for ideas is better than vocab - get situation of the text clear in their heads. #eltchat |
patrickelt |
2015-01-14T12:25:32 |
@angelos_bollas @MarjorieRosenbe But is this meaning of authentic really useful #ELTChat |
HadaLitim |
2015-01-14T12:25:43 |
RT @Ashowski: @Marisa_C @sandymillin yes! I think priming them for ideas is better than vocab - get situation of the text clear in their he… |
Marisa_C |
2015-01-14T12:25:56 |
@sandymillin @michaelegriffin By 'natural' I take it u mean 'faithful' to the purposes for which this text intended? #eltchat |
David__Boughton |
2015-01-14T12:26:00 |
That's number one for me too @Ashowski @Marisa_C #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
2015-01-14T12:26:02 |
@patrickelt how do you mean that?@MarjorieRosenbe #ELTChat |
patrickelt |
2015-01-14T12:26:07 |
@angelos_bollas @MarjorieRosenbe What is useful is exposing learners to real patterns of language that they can use #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
2015-01-14T12:26:15 |
@Ashowski @Marisa_C @sandymillin The ideas make them need vocab that they'll then go and search #ELTChat |
Shaunwilden |
2015-01-14T12:26:16 |
RT @Marisa_C: @Ashowski this refers to selection of text - #ELTChat But surely you chose exploration is one key reason to choose the text? |
joannacre |
2015-01-14T12:26:27 |
@Ashowski @Marisa_C interesting for lnrs+ teacher. Can't give 'super duper' lessons if i ain't interested in it :) #eltchat |
Ashowski |
2015-01-14T12:26:28 |
@Marisa_C could be vocab basis or skills development. if extract language then something which appears a couple of times? #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
2015-01-14T12:26:28 |
@patrickelt Agree! @MarjorieRosenbe #ELTChat |
sandymillin |
2015-01-14T12:26:45 |
@Marisa_C @michaelegriffin Exactly. #ELTChat Reflecting real-life use of that type of text |
michaelegriffin |
2015-01-14T12:26:48 |
@sandymillin #ELTchat I guess what I'm suggesting/wondering is tthe use of such materials likely requires help of scaffolding or added tasks |
Ashowski |
2015-01-14T12:26:49 |
RT @angelos_bollas: @Marisa_C First step: use an online tool such as pinterest (or even a wiki) to create a pool of authentic materials #EL… |
David__Boughton |
2015-01-14T12:27:02 |
@ELTwriter I meant when a text is simplified, is it no longer authentic? Is it no longer as useful to a learner? #eltchat |
plots_of_brum |
2015-01-14T12:27:03 |
@Marisa_C @Ashowski Analyse language you want to exploit in the authentic material and then design relevant tasks #ELTChat |
esolcourses |
2015-01-14T12:27:06 |
Sorry, but I have to dash off early... thanks for a great discussion everyone & I look forward to catching up with the summary! #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2015-01-14T12:27:15 |
RT @michaelegriffin: @sandymillin #ELTchat I guess what I'm suggesting/wondering is tthe use of such materials likely requires help of scaf… |
Chris_Myth |
2015-01-14T12:27:18 |
@Marisa_C #ELTChat I would avoid authenticity as some magic bullet. Texts and tasks still have to have relevant content + appropriate level |
Marisa_C |
2015-01-14T12:27:25 |
RT @plots_of_brum: @Marisa_C @Ashowski Analyse language you want to exploit in the authentic material and then design relevant tasks #ELTCh… |
ELTwriter |
2015-01-14T12:27:25 |
#eltchat does anyone run an AT thru the vocab kitchen CEFR profiler to see level compatibility for learners? |
Shaunwilden |
2015-01-14T12:27:54 |
RT @ELTwriter: #eltchat does anyone run an AT thru the vocab kitchen CEFR profiler to see level compatibility for learners? |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2015-01-14T12:28:00 |
In corporate training I actually use authentic materials to discuss content. Decisions by ECB for example. #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2015-01-14T12:28:27 |
@plots_of_brum great idea - topic interest & skills development only w/o any language focus not such a hot idea #ELTChat |
ELTwriter |
2015-01-14T12:28:31 |
@Chris_Myth @Marisa_C exactly #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
2015-01-14T12:28:41 |
@David__Boughton @ELTwriter It is still useful but serves different purposes, methinks. #ELTChat |
heikephilp |
2015-01-14T12:29:00 |
@ELTwriter only used CEFR after lesson so that learners can selfassess #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
2015-01-14T12:29:00 |
Most of the authentic material I use nowadays is audio visual. Emails are also a great source to tap into #ELTChat |
Marisa_C |
2015-01-14T12:29:13 |
@Chris_Myth true - we also needs must include pedagogical tasks - all things 'real to life' is not realistic! #ELTChat |
plots_of_brum |
2015-01-14T12:29:30 |
@Marisa_C Absolutely. Also nice to focus on chunks of language and then get Ls to personalise those chunks #ELTChat |
angelos_bollas |
2015-01-14T12:29:39 |
Choice of authentic material depends on what the learners want to produce themselves, no? #ELTChat |
Shaunwilden |
2015-01-14T12:29:49 |
RT @angelos_bollas: Choice of authentic material depends on what the learners want to produce themselves, no? #ELTChat |
michaelegriffin |
2015-01-14T12:30:18 |
#eltchat I personally don't feel much tie/requirement/need to use authentic materials in their real life (or close to it) purpose#beliefs |
Shaunwilden |
2015-01-14T12:30:19 |
RT @angelos_bollas: Choice of authentic material depends on what the learners want... #ELTChat and the AM could come from them |
angelos_bollas |
2015-01-14T12:30:34 |
@heikephilp Hello there!! :) welcome to #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
2015-01-14T12:30:47 |
If we follow the top-down vs bottom-up processing model we may find some useful ideas for content vs language #ELTChat |
Chris_Myth |
2015-01-14T12:30:49 |
#ELTChat Reading texts: highlighting language, looking at grammatical patterns, vocab use, collocations, then lang. analysis + extension. |
ELTwriter |
2015-01-14T12:31:05 |
@MarjorieRosenbe it takes 3 seconds to cut/paste and plant in profiler which breaks down text into CEFR components #eltchat |
S_CarlyonBaker |
2015-01-14T12:31:19 |
#ELTChat take students on a community walk to get pamphlets,etc. from local businesses. Use them to discuss text structures and language. |
Marisa_C |
2015-01-14T12:31:21 |
RT @ELTwriter: @MarjorieRosenbe it takes 3 seconds to cut/paste and plant in profiler which breaks down text into CEFR components #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
2015-01-14T12:31:21 |
RT @Shaunwilden: Choice of AM depends on what the learners want. #ELTChat and the AM could come from them>absolutely! makes it more exciting |
whyshona |
2015-01-14T12:31:35 |
@Marisa_C #eltchat Ha! I just posted on this :-) https://t.co/oi0RsvPHDW |
Shaunwilden |
2015-01-14T12:31:42 |
@ELTwriter @MarjorieRosenbe And how does this help in terms of authenticity? #ELTChat |
angelos_bollas |
2015-01-14T12:31:54 |
@S_CarlyonBaker Provided that they live in an English speaking country! #ELTChat |
Ashowski |
2015-01-14T12:32:02 |
@ELTwriter what's that? #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2015-01-14T12:32:22 |
@ELTwriter don't know this tool - I was thinking of something else. Do you have link? #eltchat |
Ashowski |
2015-01-14T12:32:26 |
@plots_of_brum @Marisa_C took the words out of my mouth #eltchat |
patrickelt |
2015-01-14T12:32:27 |
@michaelegriffin Some tasks like filling in a table perhaps resemble what we do in real life but we do not do it concretely #ELTChat |
Chris_Myth |
2015-01-14T12:32:45 |
@Marisa_C Indeed. Authentic texts + tasks good, but still needs language work to aid actual learning #ELTChat |
Marisa_C |
2015-01-14T12:32:54 |
@whyshona thanks for sharing :-) #ELTChat |
David__Boughton |
2015-01-14T12:32:56 |
Is it really authentic if the teacher brings it in? Shouldn't the students find it? #eltchat |
Ashowski |
2015-01-14T12:32:57 |
@joannacre @Marisa_C can you not??? #eltchat |
eilymurphy |
2015-01-14T12:33:10 |
RT @David__Boughton: Is it really authentic if the teacher brings it in? Shouldn't the students find it? #eltchat |
joannacre |
2015-01-14T12:33:25 |
@Chris_Myth yeah but do we always have to use them to teach sth? Can't it be just for motivation-The 'magic' of the auth text? #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2015-01-14T12:33:43 |
@David__Boughton in a minute we are going to turn this into a #dogme discussion - who chooses not so much the issue here #ELTChat |
ELTwriter |
2015-01-14T12:33:45 |
@Shaunwilden @MarjorieRosenbe it doesn't but you don't give a C1 text to an A2 IMO on the whole #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2015-01-14T12:34:05 |
@ELTwriter @Shaunwilden Of course not.#eltchat |
sarwendah |
2015-01-14T12:34:06 |
RT @David__Boughton: How often do people simplify authentic texts? It's time consuming, and does it lose it's value? #eltchat |
Ashowski |
2015-01-14T12:34:29 |
Teaching in English speaking environment, so feel need to use authentic materials - Ss leave school & r in authentic environment #eltchat |
plots_of_brum |
2015-01-14T12:34:29 |
Does anybody use authentic materials for exam classes? I use real news for IELTS #ELTChat |
ELTwriter |
2015-01-14T12:34:49 |
@Ashowski http://t.co/HsQMQwsfTM put your text in here and it gives a CEFR word breakdown VERY useful #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2015-01-14T12:34:59 |
@ELTwriter @Shaunwilden Athough my bankers often explain content to me and I explain individual vocab to them. #ELTChat |
joannacre |
2015-01-14T12:35:01 |
@Ashowski eh, I can... but I like to find sth interesting in the auth material i use #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2015-01-14T12:35:09 |
@Ashowski @joannacre I can! #ELTChat what do you mean? That's what my training is for - to make boring stuff more exciting :-) #ELTChat |
sandymillin |
2015-01-14T12:35:11 |
@michaelegriffin Definitely - it’s the responsibility of the teacher to moderate use of the text so SS can access it #ELTChat |
ELTwriter |
2015-01-14T12:35:17 |
@MarjorieRosenbe @Shaunwilden http://t.co/HsQMQwsfTM #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
2015-01-14T12:35:35 |
RT @Marisa_C: @Ashowski @joannacre I can! #ELTChat what do you mean? That's what my training is for - to make boring stuff more exciting :-… |
Chris_Myth |
2015-01-14T12:35:45 |
#eltchat BTW non-authentic texts often called "pedagogic(al) texts" |
sandymillin |
2015-01-14T12:35:46 |
@Marisa_C In many ways, depends on needs of class. What materials might they need to be able to access? #ELTChat |
plots_of_brum |
2015-01-14T12:35:52 |
@Marisa_C @David__Boughton But if you're feeling brave and Dogme is your thing can add to learner engagement #ELTChat |
heikephilp |
2015-01-14T12:35:58 |
RT @ELTwriter: @Ashowski http://t.co/HsQMQwsfTM put your text in here and it gives a CEFR word breakdown VERY useful #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2015-01-14T12:36:02 |
And sometimes even to make the dead appear as if they were alive (see coursebooks :-) #ELTChat |
michaelegriffin |
2015-01-14T12:36:33 |
@Ashowski I'm super argumentative tonight, apparently. But, I've heard the argument that "EFL" teachers need to use auth mat more. #eltchat |
ELTwriter |
2015-01-14T12:36:43 |
@MarjorieRosenbe easaier than the lengthy process via http://t.co/n0WVM2vZzC #eltchat |
marcusmurilo |
2015-01-14T12:36:51 |
RT @ELTwriter: @Ashowski http://t.co/HsQMQwsfTM put your text in here and it gives a CEFR word breakdown VERY useful #eltchat |
michaelegriffin |
2015-01-14T12:36:56 |
@Ashowski The thought being that students cannot easily access them otherwise. #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
2015-01-14T12:36:57 |
@ELTwriter @MarjorieRosenbe that looks neat #ELTChat |
angelos_bollas |
2015-01-14T12:37:03 |
@michaelegriffin how come? @Ashowski #ELTChat |
sandymillin |
2015-01-14T12:37:11 |
@Marisa_C Yes - by activating their schemata (buzz word!) or getting them in the right place in their head,more able to access txt #ELTChat |
sarwendah |
2015-01-14T12:37:18 |
RT @sandymillin: @MarjorieRosenbe I think authentic materials can be anything with some form of text on it. Certainly not just magazine/new… |
joannacre |
2015-01-14T12:37:21 |
@Marisa_C @Ashowski haha. Yeah like using real graphs to make presentations exciting. Yay. I love using authentic graphs jk #eltchat |
Chris_Myth |
2015-01-14T12:37:29 |
@joannacre #eltchat They could be used for fluency practice I guess, but I think there needs to some teaching/learning aim. |
Marisa_C |
2015-01-14T12:37:40 |
@plots_of_brum @David__Boughton sure - this presumes mats design capabilities at a good level :-) #ELTChat |
angelos_bollas |
2015-01-14T12:38:11 |
RT @Chris_Myth: #eltchat They could be used for fluency practice I guess, but I think there needs to some teaching/learning aim. >true! |
sandymillin |
2015-01-14T12:38:17 |
@David__Boughton @ELTwriter If simplified, it can still be useful, but it’s no longer authentic. depends on use/aims #eltchat |
DustinAcEd |
2015-01-14T12:38:30 |
RT @muranava: A Pron Chart Zoo #eltchat #eltchinwag #tesol #langchat #evo http://t.co/VDgS62M8dA |
angelos_bollas |
2015-01-14T12:38:49 |
@michaelegriffin But there is the internet! AM is available 24/365 #ELTChat |
Marisa_C |
2015-01-14T12:39:36 |
@michaelegriffin @Ashowski Widdowson objected to this at least for lower levels - making sense of real English v difficult 4 them #ELTChat |
plots_of_brum |
2015-01-14T12:39:40 |
@Marisa_C @David__Boughton that's why I don't do Dogme yet! #ELTChat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2015-01-14T12:39:43 |
@ELTwriter @Shaunwilden Thanks , have bookmarked it. #eltchat |
joannacre |
2015-01-14T12:39:48 |
@Chris_Myth what about to show your learner," Hey! Look you can understand this article and it hasn't been adapted. Gr8 work!" #eltchat |
sandymillin |
2015-01-14T12:39:55 |
@michaelegriffin How do you use them then? Or do you just treat them as you would any other text? #ELTChat |
David__Boughton |
2015-01-14T12:39:56 |
@Marisa_C @plots_of_brum SUre, I would say it takes skill to take any authentic text and find a use for it. #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2015-01-14T12:40:17 |
@ELTwriter That's the one I thought of. But C1 for one st may be standard vocab for another. #ELTChat |
sandymillin |
2015-01-14T12:40:26 |
@ELTwriter Have you got the link for the CEFR profiler? #eltchat |
Ashowski |
2015-01-14T12:40:48 |
@Marisa_C @michaelegriffin but my learnes, even beginners, leave the classroom and r in the UK where everything is authentic #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
2015-01-14T12:40:51 |
@joannacre can’t you do this outside classroom? as a h/w activity? @Chris_Myth #ELTChat |
ELTwriter |
2015-01-14T12:40:53 |
@angelos_bollas @michaelegriffin game-changer, no? #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
2015-01-14T12:40:56 |
RT @sandymillin: @ELTwriter Have you got the link for the CEFR profiler? #eltchat http://t.co/o6NYbEKgG9 |
plots_of_brum |
2015-01-14T12:41:14 |
@David__Boughton @Marisa_C But much easier to do if you plan. Lots of lexical exploitation activities than you can re-use #ELTChat |
Shaunwilden |
2015-01-14T12:41:15 |
RT @Ashowski: @Marisa_C @michaelegriffin but my learnes, even beginners, leave the classroom and r in the UK where everything is authentic … |
angelos_bollas |
2015-01-14T12:41:43 |
@David__Boughton Why do you have to find use for it? AM do have an authentic use by themselves, right? @Marisa_C @plots_of_brum #ELTChat |
Marisa_C |
2015-01-14T12:42:04 |
@Ashowski @michaelegriffin which means? what are the implications of this for lesson/materials design? #eltchat |
sandymillin |
2015-01-14T12:42:09 |
@ELTwriter Hmm…depends on the A2 learner! I’ve been reading Game of Thrones in Russian, knowing I won’t understand all. Learn lots! #ELTChat |
Chris_Myth |
2015-01-14T12:42:15 |
@joannacre #ELTChat Yes. That would be motivating, but there's also an opportunity to exploit language, collocations connected speech etc. |
Shaunwilden |
2015-01-14T12:42:40 |
RT @angelos_bollas: @David__Boughton Why do you have to find use for it? AM do have an authentic use by themselves, right? @Marisa_C @plots… |
joannacre |
2015-01-14T12:42:57 |
@Ashowski yeah but they go back to their international little groups (assuming we r talking about ur EAPers, right?) #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
2015-01-14T12:43:05 |
@angelos_bollas @David__Boughton @Marisa_C @plots_of_brum the use being the one it was designed for? #ELTChat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2015-01-14T12:43:18 |
Learners in L1 environment only are aware of what they can absorb, at least I had that in German. #ELTChat |
michaelegriffin |
2015-01-14T12:43:20 |
@sandymillin Just to say that I wouldn't always consider the intended purpose of the text as paramount. #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
2015-01-14T12:43:23 |
RT @Shaunwilden: @angelos_bollas @David__Boughton @Marisa_C @plots_of_brum the use being the one it was designed for? #ELTChat |
plots_of_brum |
2015-01-14T12:43:36 |
@angelos_bollas @David__Boughton @Marisa_C Agree. Extensive reading / listening practice. Encouraging learners to enjoy English #ELTChat |
sandymillin |
2015-01-14T12:43:42 |
@plots_of_brum Great authentic materials for IELTS = podcasts: https://t.co/tomv41qC9o Gets them used to science lang esp #ELTChat |
michaelegriffin |
2015-01-14T12:43:54 |
@sandymillin The same as any other text? Good question! Maybe needs more scaffolding, depending. #ELTchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2015-01-14T12:43:55 |
Words I didn't know I didn't hear. Once I learned them, everyone said them. #eltchat |
Ashowski |
2015-01-14T12:44:15 |
@Marisa_C @michaelegriffin which means authentic materials in the classroom is good surely? just have to grade tasks (u nt agree?) #eltchat |
sandymillin |
2015-01-14T12:44:22 |
@plots_of_brum Also articles from magazines like BBC Focus Magazine great for Science/tech for IELTS #eltchat (often diffcult area I think!) |
ELTwriter |
2015-01-14T12:44:22 |
@MarjorieRosenbe Are we slipping into ESP/BE - if so then different rules apply. Authentic is king post A2[high]/B1+ #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
2015-01-14T12:44:26 |
@MarjorieRosenbe Sounds like a good research topic! ;) #ELTChat |
Marisa_C |
2015-01-14T12:44:29 |
in BE Ss able to deal with authentic complex text BECAUSE of content knowledge - may be this way in for beginners? #ELTChat |
David__Boughton |
2015-01-14T12:44:42 |
@angelos_bollas True, I guess I meant was be prepared to teach it (e.g. understand the grammar/vocab, have some activities, etc.) #eltchat |
Ashowski |
2015-01-14T12:45:09 |
@joannacre no it's not EAPers - they are from all over and live with host families #eltchat |
eilymurphy |
2015-01-14T12:45:12 |
RT @Marisa_C: in BE Ss able to deal with authentic complex text BECAUSE of content knowledge - may be this way in for beginners? #ELTChat |
angelos_bollas |
2015-01-14T12:45:24 |
RT @Marisa_C: in BE Ss able to deal with authentic complex text BECAUSE of content knowledge... #ELTChat > and motivation |
SueAnnan |
2015-01-14T12:45:45 |
Has anyone taught using the videos from Life course book.? #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2015-01-14T12:45:51 |
RT @plots_of_brum: @angelos_bollas @David__Boughton @Marisa_C Agree. Extensive reading / listening practice. Encouraging learners to enjoy … |
heikephilp |
2015-01-14T12:45:54 |
RT @sandymillin: @plots_of_brum Great authentic materials for IELTS = podcasts: https://t.co/tomv41qC9o Gets them used to science lang esp … |
plots_of_brum |
2015-01-14T12:46:01 |
@sandymillin Great tips. Thanks. I use @BBCBreaking videos as warmers for Writing lessons. #ELTChat |
Shaunwilden |
2015-01-14T12:46:08 |
RT @SueAnnan: Has anyone taught using the videos from Life course book.? #eltchat Never heard of it :-) |
michaelegriffin |
2015-01-14T12:46:11 |
@sandymillin Im thinking about menus. I wouldn't feel the need to culminate in "order off the menu" or "choose an item you'd like" #eltchat |
MrsLindaPosp |
2015-01-14T12:46:15 |
RT @angelos_bollas: RT @Marisa_C: in BE Ss able to deal with authentic complex text BECAUSE of content knowledge... #ELTChat > and motivati… |
angelos_bollas |
2015-01-14T12:46:19 |
Hellos @SueAnnan Happy New Year! #ELTChat |
plots_of_brum |
2015-01-14T12:46:39 |
@sandymillin Plus loads of authentic lessons here http://t.co/DpUpogXMaD #ELTchat |
sarwendah |
2015-01-14T12:46:40 |
RT @ELTchat: RT @Marisa_C:"What is the best way to exploit authentic materials?" Topic u voted for on #ELTchat - in abt 50' suggested by @… |
HadaLitim |
2015-01-14T12:46:48 |
@SueAnnan No but we've just introduced the New cutting edge and the videos are hilarious! #ELTChat Never thought I'd say that abt CE |
marcusmurilo |
2015-01-14T12:47:08 |
@plots_of_brum but I also guess that "encouraging Ss to enjoy English" w/o giving them some purpose might have the opposite effect #eltchat |
Ashowski |
2015-01-14T12:47:15 |
@plots_of_brum @sandymillin @BBCBreaking oooh havent seen @bbcbreaking before - must check that out #eltchat |
sandymillin |
2015-01-14T12:47:27 |
@michaelegriffin don’t think I mean tht all activities you use should always be the natural way to access AM, but at least some she #eltchat |
joannacre |
2015-01-14T12:47:28 |
Btw in EAP all those specialised books... So, hard to use auth material there but necessary #eltchat |
Ashowski |
2015-01-14T12:47:41 |
@michaelegriffin @sandymillin why not? ^_^ #eltchat |
sandymillin |
2015-01-14T12:47:42 |
@michaelegriffin *should! #ELTChat |
angelos_bollas |
2015-01-14T12:47:49 |
@HadaLitim “Never thought I’d say that bat CE” - lol @SueAnnan #ELTChat |
michaelegriffin |
2015-01-14T12:48:08 |
@sandymillin I am still wondering where the should comes from. Can you say more about this? #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
2015-01-14T12:48:10 |
@SueAnnan so the videos themselves are authentic #ELTChat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2015-01-14T12:48:11 |
@ELTwriter And 'authentic' can be in-company badly written materials because English is corporate language. #eltchat |
Chris_Myth |
2015-01-14T12:48:16 |
#eltchat Simplifying reading texts is easier. Simplifying listeing texts more difficult, but there is at least one way 1/2 |
marcusmurilo |
2015-01-14T12:48:39 |
@sandymillin @ELTwriter I wonder if u could be described as an average learner -- certainly not! haha ;) #eltchat |
sandymillin |
2015-01-14T12:49:07 |
@michaelegriffin I’m trying/failing to think of specific examples. It’s the disconnect between a text and it’s use #ELTChat |
marcusmurilo |
2015-01-14T12:49:18 |
@sandymillin @ELTwriter I'm saying this because my guess is most Ss would find demotivating... #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
2015-01-14T12:49:24 |
RT @SueAnnan: @Shaunwilden absolutely. Watched one about Peruvian weavers today. Great lesson discussion #ELTChat |
Ashowski |
2015-01-14T12:49:36 |
Ss who write sth = this is authentic. Use that as text with other class to 'work on' or 'improve' #eltchat |
Chris_Myth |
2015-01-14T12:49:40 |
#eltchat Audacity is open source software. You can change tempo of WAV files and slow down audio texts to make them easier. Other ideas? 2/2 |
sandymillin |
2015-01-14T12:49:43 |
@michaelegriffin May leave SS less able/unable to deal with that kind of text if they come across it in real life #ELTChat |
sandymillin |
2015-01-14T12:50:04 |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: Words I didn't know I didn't hear. Once I learned them, everyone said them. #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2015-01-14T12:50:13 |
@ELTwriter Or power point presentations put together in HO for board meetings filled with mistakes. #eltchat |
michaelegriffin |
2015-01-14T12:50:23 |
@sandymillin Im thinking of resumes and maps and cover letters. I think "inauthentic" tasks can b a nice way to access meanings #ELTchat |
MrsLindaPosp |
2015-01-14T12:50:34 |
Hi to all, a bit l8 4 #eltchat but have an anecdote to share: I've ordered 3 chemistry books recently and totally confused our librarians ;) |
Marisa_C |
2015-01-14T12:50:42 |
@Chris_Myth chop off bits - ask ss to fill in the in-between - then listen may be #eltchat - helps process diff lang |
sandymillin |
2015-01-14T12:50:57 |
@marcusmurilo @ELTwriter Think it’s about how you sell the task to the learner too. I know GoT well, so can access it easily #ELTChat |
sandymillin |
2015-01-14T12:51:17 |
@marcusmurilo @ELTwriter Wouldn’t do the same with story I don’t know. Familiarity helps a lot, as @LizziePinard will tell you too #ELTChat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2015-01-14T12:51:18 |
@MarjorieRosenbe @sandymillin - does this happen to you with Russian? #eltchat |
mariacolussa |
2015-01-14T12:51:34 |
RT @ELTchat: RT @Marisa_C:"What is the best way to exploit authentic materials?" Topic u voted for on #ELTchat - in abt 50' suggested by @… |
David__Boughton |
2015-01-14T12:51:45 |
@Chris_Myth Repeating the listening multiple times. Pausing and discussing. #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
2015-01-14T12:51:50 |
@Marisa_C Marisa it's so much better than the last edition #eltchat I haven't had to supplemtn as much this term #ELTChat |
JournalETAS |
2015-01-14T12:51:55 |
RT @sandymillin: @plots_of_brum Great authentic materials for IELTS = podcasts: https://t.co/tomv41qC9o Gets them used to science lang esp … |
sandymillin |
2015-01-14T12:52:07 |
@Marisa_C Yes, familiarity with content makes a huge difference.If you know story etc, can guess at language. Easier to bridge gap #ELTChat |
plots_of_brum |
2015-01-14T12:52:13 |
@Ashowski @sandymillin @BBCBreaking Lots of 2-3 min videos. Perfect 2get them warmed up /input lang b4 writing / speaking lesson #ELTChat |
Shaunwilden |
2015-01-14T12:52:15 |
RT @sandymillin: @Marisa_C Yes, familiarity with content makes a huge difference.If you know story etc, can guess at language. Easier to br… |
Ashowski |
2015-01-14T12:52:24 |
@michaelegriffin @sandymillin what's an inauthentic task in this case? #eltchat |
sandymillin |
2015-01-14T12:52:42 |
@michaelegriffin What do you mean? #ELTChat |
sandymillin |
2015-01-14T12:53:14 |
@MarjorieRosenbe With every language! It’s all about noticing. Even English words :) ‘Undergrid’ from IATEFL 2012 is a fave #ELTChat |
ELTwriter |
2015-01-14T12:53:18 |
@sandymillin @marcusmurilo @LizziePinard so sounds like topic literacy at inappropriate lang level ... ESP learner #eltchat Eng for Battle |
michaelegriffin |
2015-01-14T12:53:49 |
@sandymillin I mean using those materials(asking Ss work with them) in ways that are not specific to their intended purposes #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
2015-01-14T12:53:57 |
I emailed my students with a real personal problem of mine and had them email me back. Screenshot oall the emails & worked on them #ELTchat |
lexicoloco |
2015-01-14T12:54:03 |
RT @SueAnnan: Has anyone taught using the videos from Life course book.? #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2015-01-14T12:54:09 |
problem is there is no published list of AM's with genre features & lang features helpful to Ts - trying to build one but huge task #ELTChat |
Shaunwilden |
2015-01-14T12:54:51 |
@michaelegriffin @sandymillin So not using them to assess candidate suitability etc? Use them for story writing...#ELTChat |
plots_of_brum |
2015-01-14T12:55:37 |
@Marisa_C I guess you have to save things as u go along that have lesson potential. Takes enjoyment out of reading/watching tho! #ELTChat |
angelos_bollas |
2015-01-14T12:56:43 |
@plots_of_brum This way you save things you find interesting - not always true for your SS, right? @Marisa_C #ELTChat |
sandymillin |
2015-01-14T12:56:51 |
@Shaunwilden @SueAnnan SpeakOut also uses authentic videos taken from BBC and interviews with people on streets #ELTChat |
Marisa_C |
2015-01-14T12:56:55 |
@plots_of_brum but very necessary listing for Ts - text/genre analysis not intuitive #eltchat |
ELTwriter |
2015-01-14T12:56:58 |
@HadaLitim was the advice good? I need that address:) #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
2015-01-14T12:57:10 |
@sandymillin @SueAnnan A bit of both! The funny thing is students wer ein stitches so at least they managed that #ELTChat |
Chris_Myth |
2015-01-14T12:57:12 |
@sandymillin @MarjorieRosenbe #eltchat Yes noticing. Why we need to use authentic texts and design tasks for teaching and learning. |
sandymillin |
2015-01-14T12:57:47 |
@Chris_Myth @MarjorieRosenbe Also the idea of priming which I finally understand after #IHDoS15 - multiple exposures to real lang #ELTChat |
plots_of_brum |
2015-01-14T12:57:54 |
RT @HadaLitim: I emailed my students with a real personal problem of mine and had them email me back. Screenshot oall the emails & worked o… |
angelos_bollas |
2015-01-14T12:58:01 |
@plots_of_brum ok then! :) @Marisa_C #ELTChat |
HadaLitim |
2015-01-14T12:58:10 |
@ELTwriter Funny enough some of it was really useful - totally unexpected! #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden |
2015-01-14T12:58:26 |
Wanted: Authentic Materials writer - must be able to summarise #ELTChat - volunteers please |
Marisa_C |
2015-01-14T12:59:19 |
2 mins to go - reminding everyone that next week #ELTchat is at 9 p.m. - at 12 p.m. in a hangout w./Nicky Hockly http://t.co/tLqYDTVBZP |
mariacolussa |
2015-01-14T12:59:20 |
@plots_of_brum @Marisa_C Hi #ELTChat ! Happy New Year! I Google Doc links or favourite on twitter my teaching potential content |
SueAnnan |
2015-01-14T12:59:40 |
@Shaunwilden thought Sandy had been strong armed #ELTChat |
angelos_bollas |
2015-01-14T12:59:50 |
RT @Marisa_C: 2 mins to go - reminding everyone that next week #ELTchat is at 9 p.m. - at 12 p.m. in a hangout w./Nicky Hockly http://t.co/… |
sandymillin |
2015-01-14T13:00:01 |
@SueAnnan @Shaunwilden I have and I will #ELTChat |
Shaunwilden |
2015-01-14T13:00:05 |
RT @Marisa_C: 2 mins to go - reminding everyone that next week #ELTchat is at 9 p.m. - at 12 p.m. in a hangout w./Nicky Hockly http://t.co/… |
plots_of_brum |
2015-01-14T13:00:15 |
#ELTchat thanks all for an interesting session. A nice distraction from #DELTA LSA 3 and my 2nd time in the forum. |
Marisa_C |
2015-01-14T13:00:16 |
RT @SueAnnan: @Shaunwilden thought Sandy had been strong armed #ELTChat > Its her call and she has accepted already :-) |
SueAnnan |
2015-01-14T13:01:01 |
@sandymillin what a star#ELTChat |
HadaLitim |
2015-01-14T13:01:07 |
That was one challenging chat to follow - super fast and furious hehe. Thanks everyone #ELTChat |
Chris_Myth |
2015-01-14T13:01:31 |
#eltchat Thanks everyone. V interesting. |
heikephilp |
2015-01-14T13:02:05 |
Thank you! #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
2015-01-14T13:02:07 |
Great #ELTChat today! See you next week! :) |
SueAnnan |
2015-01-14T13:02:42 |
Good chat. Will catch up properly with the summary. Bye all #ELTChat |
Marisa_C |
2015-01-14T13:03:08 |
@HadaLitim Great chat - blown over by how fast & furious #ELTchat - what a comeback! Thank you all for joining !!!!! |
sandymillin |
2015-01-14T13:03:24 |
Nice to be able to come to an #eltchat for once. No idea when I’ll be able to come again, but hopefully it won’t be another 18 months! ;) |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2015-01-14T13:03:28 |
Thanks everyone. Happy new year and a good start to 2015! #eltchat |
heikephilp |
2015-01-14T13:03:37 |
Short reminder if I may that Marisa is giving a webinar on the pedagogical aspects of machinima making this Friday, 16 Jan 9pm. #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
2015-01-14T13:04:37 |
@Marisa_C I know!! I thought it was just me getting rusty after a long break and added pounds hehe #ELTChat |
heikephilp |
2015-01-14T13:05:19 |
Marisa's webinar, Fri 16 Jan 9pm GMT http://t.co/clW37q6Yy2 #eltchat |
ELTwriter |
2015-01-14T13:07:39 |
good range of opinion today. Nice chatting elt-chatters :) may your 2015 be wonderful #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
2015-01-14T13:09:16 |
@sandymillin Hopefully not! Thx for a great suggestion and chat #ELTChat |
HadaLitim |
2015-01-14T13:12:03 |
@ELTwriter The emails made for great material to go through both lang and conventions #ELTChat |
KetanHein |
2015-01-14T14:01:47 |
RT @michaelegriffin: #ELTchat here is a collection of authentic materials I thought might be interesting for class. https://t.co/2rKjB0d039 |
Marisa_C |
2015-01-14T14:47:26 |
Propose a topic for the 21st of January: Propose a topic for the 21st of January Right here – below... http://t.co/mtkXmqTVG9 #eltchat |
mark_arthur |
2015-01-14T15:05:59 |
RT @michaelegriffin: #ELTchat here is a collection of authentic materials I thought might be interesting for class. https://t.co/2rKjB0d039 |
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