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What is the best way to exploit authentic materials

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Marisa_C 2015-01-14T11:05:37 It's official! "What is the best way to exploit authentic materials?" is the topic u voted for on #ELTchat - in abt an hour @sandymillin
Ashowski 2015-01-14T12:03:21 I'm here  #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2015-01-14T12:03:43 I’ll be there in a mo :-) #ELTChat
MarjorieRosenbe 2015-01-14T12:03:58 Hi everyone, I am here. #eltchat
HadaLitim 2015-01-14T12:04:03 Hi everyone ...ready for a 2015 #ELTchat on exploiting authentic material
HadaLitim 2015-01-14T12:04:30 @MarjorieRosenbe Hi Marje! Welcome )) #ELTChat
angelos_bollas 2015-01-14T12:04:34 Hello  #ELTchat. Nice to be back! Happy New Year, everyone! :)
HadaLitim 2015-01-14T12:05:00 @Ashowski Hiya thanks for joining us #ELTChat
esolcourses 2015-01-14T12:05:04 @Ashowski Here too, though I can't stop long :-) #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2015-01-14T12:05:20 Hi everyone #eltchat
HadaLitim 2015-01-14T12:05:28 @angelos_bollas Hola! Hope it's been a good start for everyone #ELTChat
HadaLitim 2015-01-14T12:05:49 @esolcourses @Ashowski Hi Sue! Great to have you with us! #ELTChat
Marisa_C 2015-01-14T12:05:51 Hi everyone and welcome to this edition of #ELTchat
Ashowski 2015-01-14T12:05:59 @esolcourses I'll be half in half out myself #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2015-01-14T12:06:02 Happy New Year everyone.  #eltchat
HadaLitim 2015-01-14T12:06:06 @Shaunwilden Hi Shaun!  #ELTChat
HadaLitim 2015-01-14T12:06:19 RT @Marisa_C: Hi everyone and welcome to this edition of #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 2015-01-14T12:06:25 @Ashowski @esolcourses Is that hokey cokey #ELTChat
MarjorieRosenbe 2015-01-14T12:06:30 topic is using authentic materials, right? #eltchat
Ashowski 2015-01-14T12:06:35 #eltchat we're talking about materials and authentic use or materials in #ELT ?
HadaLitim 2015-01-14T12:06:41 @Marisa_C Hi Marisa! Good to be back! #ELTChat
Marisa_C 2015-01-14T12:06:48 Reminding you all about the hangout with Nicky Hockly next week and to submit #edtech topics for #ELTchat http://t.co/Wf0glMVpzy
MarjorieRosenbe 2015-01-14T12:06:57 @HadaLitim @angelos_bollas So far so good. #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2015-01-14T12:07:05 RT @Marisa_C: Reminding you all about the hangout with Nicky Hockly next week and to submit #edtech topics for #ELTchat http://t.co/Wf0glMV…
MarjorieRosenbe 2015-01-14T12:07:15 RT @Marisa_C: Reminding you all about the hangout with Nicky Hockly next week and to submit #edtech topics for #ELTchat http://t.co/Wf0glMV…
esolcourses 2015-01-14T12:07:16 @HadaLitim @Ashowski great to be here, too... even if it is just a flying visit this time round ;-) #eltchat
sandymillin 2015-01-14T12:07:30 Hi everyone! Long time no see :) #eltchat And it’s my topic too ;)
HadaLitim 2015-01-14T12:07:32 @MarjorieRosenbe @angelos_bollas It's been a mad start to the year but fortunate one for us #ELTChat
Marisa_C 2015-01-14T12:07:38 RT @MarjorieRosenbe: topic is using authentic materials, right? #eltchat > Right! welcome and congrats from us all Marjorie
angelos_bollas 2015-01-14T12:07:49 RT @Marisa_C: RT @MarjorieRosenbe: topic is using authentic materials, right? #eltchat > Right! welcome and congrats from us all Marjorie
Ashowski 2015-01-14T12:08:02 @esolcourses @HadaLitim great to have you here #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2015-01-14T12:08:10 @HadaLitim @MarjorieRosenbe Same here! ;-)  #ELTChat
Marisa_C 2015-01-14T12:08:17 @esolcourses hya so good to see you pls stay! #ELTChat
HadaLitim 2015-01-14T12:08:19 @Marisa_C @MarjorieRosenbe YES!! HUGE congrats Marjorie...couldn't think of a better candidate for the post #ELTChat
MarjorieRosenbe 2015-01-14T12:08:20 Do we have a definition for authentic materials? Does it have to be magazines or newspapers? #eltchat
Marisa_C 2015-01-14T12:08:33 RT @MarjorieRosenbe: Do we have a definition for authentic materials? Does it have to be magazines or newspapers? #eltchat
Ashowski 2015-01-14T12:08:41 @sandymillin welcome! #eltchat
esolcourses 2015-01-14T12:08:45 @Shaunwilden @Ashowski Knees bent, arms stretched, and poised to do the ra-ras ;-) #eltchat
HadaLitim 2015-01-14T12:09:00 @MarjorieRosenbe It could be audio and visual too. It could be packaging or...#ELTChat
joannacre 2015-01-14T12:09:01 Hi everyone!! Happy New Year : ) #eltchat
patrickelt 2015-01-14T12:09:04 @esolcourses @HadaLitim @Ashowski Hello everyone.  Happy New Year.  Must leave at 12.30 #ELTChat
sandymillin 2015-01-14T12:09:09 @MarjorieRosenbe I think authentic materials can be anything with some form of text on it. Certainly not just magazine/newspaper #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2015-01-14T12:09:11 @MarjorieRosenbe Anything written for any purpose other than language instruction use  #ELTChat
HadaLitim 2015-01-14T12:09:20 @MarjorieRosenbe @Marisa_C I bet! So exciting #ELTChat
angelos_bollas 2015-01-14T12:09:22 @joannacre Hey there!  #ELTChat
MarjorieRosenbe 2015-01-14T12:09:23 @HadaLitim Thanks Hada - very helpful. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2015-01-14T12:09:27 RT @sandymillin: @MarjorieRosenbe I think authentic materials can be anything with some form of text on it. Certainly not just magazine/new…
esolcourses 2015-01-14T12:09:30 @Marisa_C good to see you too, & will do my best to hang around :-) #ELTChat
HadaLitim 2015-01-14T12:09:41 @patrickelt @esolcourses @Ashowski Thanks for joining us #ELTChat
esolcourses 2015-01-14T12:09:51 RT @MarjorieRosenbe: Do we have a definition for authentic materials? Does it have to be magazines or newspapers? #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2015-01-14T12:09:52 @MarjorieRosenbe Or spoken, for that matter  #ELTChat
patrickelt 2015-01-14T12:10:09 @MarjorieRosenbe Would have thought lots more than this.  Includes menus, literature, conversations etc #eltchat
esolcourses 2015-01-14T12:10:09 RT @angelos_bollas: @MarjorieRosenbe Anything written for any purpose other than language instruction use  #ELTChat
David__Boughton 2015-01-14T12:10:10 Happy new year #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2015-01-14T12:10:11 I did Jargon Busters for Cambridge for a long time - started with vocab, an article, discussion questions. My sts loved them. #eltchat
Ashowski 2015-01-14T12:10:16 @sandymillin @MarjorieRosenbe could be listening as well #eltchat
HadaLitim 2015-01-14T12:10:19 RT @patrickelt: @MarjorieRosenbe Would have thought lots more than this.  Includes menus, literature, conversations etc #eltchat
plots_of_brum 2015-01-14T12:10:39 Hi everyone. Aren't authentic materials anything from real world..webpages, blogs, leaflets, radio, TV etc?#ELTChat
MarjorieRosenbe 2015-01-14T12:10:44 Packing works well in BE - show examples and let them create their own. #eltchat
David__Boughton 2015-01-14T12:10:48 RT @angelos_bollas: @MarjorieRosenbe Anything written for any purpose other than language instruction use  #ELTChat
esolcourses 2015-01-14T12:11:00 @MarjorieRosenbe agree with @Angelos Bollas that it can be other things #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2015-01-14T12:11:10 RT @David__Boughton: RT @angelos_bollas: @MarjorieRosenbe Anything written for any purpose other than language instruction use  #ELTChat
Marisa_C 2015-01-14T12:11:13 So, anything not created for teaching right? but for L1 & L2 users #ELTChat
MarjorieRosenbe 2015-01-14T12:11:28 also used real menus in GE and with nutrition sts. Had pics of food on cards & they played restaurant game. They loved it. #ELTChat
sandymillin 2015-01-14T12:11:30 @MarjorieRosenbe Never heard the term ‘packing’ before - can you give a fuller definition? #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2015-01-14T12:11:37 RT @Marisa_C: So, anything not created for teaching right? but for L1 & L2 users #ELTChat >true
HadaLitim 2015-01-14T12:11:49 @sandymillin @MarjorieRosenbe Text messages are a great resource too. Posters, billboards, stickers, Tshirt prints, slogans, logos #ELTChat
MaggieMaslowski 2015-01-14T12:11:54 RT @Marisa_C: Reminding you all about the hangout with Nicky Hockly next week and to submit #edtech topics for #ELTchat http://t.co/Wf0glMV…
MarjorieRosenbe 2015-01-14T12:11:55 @sandymillin Sorry, meant packaging. #eltchat
sandymillin 2015-01-14T12:11:57 @Marisa_C Exactly - doesn’t have to have been made for native speakers only #ELTChat
patrickelt 2015-01-14T12:12:01 @plots_of_brum Would agree #eltchat
HadaLitim 2015-01-14T12:12:04 RT @plots_of_brum: Hi everyone. Aren't authentic materials anything from real world..webpages, blogs, leaflets, radio, TV etc?#ELTChat
David__Boughton 2015-01-14T12:12:08 Would you consider material for other subjects authentic esl material? (e.g. history textbook) Do you use it? #eltchat
sandymillin 2015-01-14T12:12:19 @MarjorieRosenbe That makes more sense :) I’ve heard of that! ;) #ELTChat
ELTwriter 2015-01-14T12:12:24 @angelos_bollas @MarjorieRosenbe correct #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2015-01-14T12:12:25 @HadaLitim tweets, FB status updates, etc. @sandymillin @MarjorieRosenbe  #ELTChat
Marisa_C 2015-01-14T12:12:27 @David__Boughton yes I would #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2015-01-14T12:12:37 RT @David__Boughton: Would you consider material for other subjects authentic esl material? (e.g. history textbook) Do you use it? #eltchat
HadaLitim 2015-01-14T12:12:39 @plots_of_brum Yes so I thought. Anything for of language not produce for the classroom #ELTChat
angelos_bollas 2015-01-14T12:12:40 @ELTwriter Welcome!  #ELTChat
HadaLitim 2015-01-14T12:12:42 RT @angelos_bollas: @HadaLitim tweets, FB status updates, etc. @sandymillin @MarjorieRosenbe  #ELTChat
sandymillin 2015-01-14T12:12:50 @HadaLitim A trainee used a text conversation for his CELTA authentic materials assignment - screenshot from iPhone :) #ELTChat
joannacre 2015-01-14T12:12:52 @MarjorieRosenbe I used the London tube map and got them to give directions and stuff #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2015-01-14T12:12:56 RT @angelos_bollas: @HadaLitim tweets, FB status updates, etc. @sandymillin @MarjorieRosenbe  #ELTChat
MarjorieRosenbe 2015-01-14T12:12:58 @sandymillin Sorry, bit distracted with other things today. #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2015-01-14T12:13:00 Great - eltpics or Map of Linguistic Urban Landscape are great resources for signs. #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2015-01-14T12:13:04 RT @David__Boughton: Would you consider material for other subjects authentic esl material? Do you use it? #eltchat>Yes!!!
patrickelt 2015-01-14T12:13:09 @Marisa_C I kind of agree but wonder whether anything created without preset language focus could be included #eltchat
Ashowski 2015-01-14T12:13:19 @HadaLitim @sandymillin @MarjorieRosenbe I thought about text messages yesteeday being a good source :) #eltchat
HadaLitim 2015-01-14T12:13:19 @sandymillin Creative! #ELTchat How?
esolcourses 2015-01-14T12:13:21 RT @angelos_bollas: RT @David__Boughton: Would you consider material for other subjects authentic esl material? Do you use it? #eltchat>Yes…
Ashowski 2015-01-14T12:13:27 RT @sandymillin: @HadaLitim A trainee used a text conversation for his CELTA authentic materials assignment - screenshot from iPhone :) #EL…
plots_of_brum 2015-01-14T12:13:28 @HadaLitim Yep..that was my understanding too :) #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2015-01-14T12:13:34 Also logic puzzles written for L1 sts, work fine with learners. #eltchat
sandymillin 2015-01-14T12:13:36 @David__Boughton Yes, because it’s not designed with linguistic purposes (e.g. no input flood/specific language point) #eltchat
patrickelt 2015-01-14T12:13:43 @sandymillin @Marisa_C Yes, that is important #ELTChat
Ashowski 2015-01-14T12:14:06 @David__Boughton I would! They were written not for use in the #ELT classroom #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2015-01-14T12:14:14 Main thing is to pre-teach the vocab if they need it. #ELTChat
Marisa_C 2015-01-14T12:14:25 @patrickelt there is language in every piece of material - the key is your reason for choosing it  #ELTChat
angelos_bollas 2015-01-14T12:14:26 @joannacre I don’t think I can give directions on the London tube map - lol  #ELTChat
sandymillin 2015-01-14T12:14:30 @HadaLitim The same as you would use any other reading text, but the connections between messages were focussed on particularly #ELTChat
mhornillos 2015-01-14T12:14:31 RT @muranava: A Pron Chart Zoo #eltchat #eltchinwag #tesol #langchat #evo http://t.co/VDgS62M8dA
plots_of_brum 2015-01-14T12:14:42 Reviews from Trip Advisor / Rotten Tomatoes are good. After language work, Ls can post own reviews #ELTChat
Shaunwilden 2015-01-14T12:14:43 @MarjorieRosenbe But does that remove authenticity?#ELTChat
Ashowski 2015-01-14T12:15:04 @patrickelt @Marisa_C if it's written in a language, then language for focus can be extracted from it #eltchat
Marisa_C 2015-01-14T12:15:07 @patrickelt So to begin with you need to look for material that fits some aims or you use material that has caught ur fancy? #ELTChat
sandymillin 2015-01-14T12:15:17 @Shaunwilden @MarjorieRosenbe Think it depends on whether it’s blocking vocab or not - just how vital is it to know. #ELTChat
joannacre 2015-01-14T12:15:26 @MarjorieRosenbe tv shows, series work well. Used hannah montana, friends and downton abbey #eltchat
esolcourses 2015-01-14T12:15:29 Robert O'Neill raises some interesting points about authenticity at the end of this article: http://t.co/l5vAB2mkhp #eltchat
ELTwriter 2015-01-14T12:15:30 is it heresy to adapt/simplify/easify authentic materials for a) class b) published materials these days?  #eltchat
sandymillin 2015-01-14T12:15:38 @Shaunwilden @MarjorieRosenbe And is the vocal something they need generally/would have chance to look up #ELTChat
MarjorieRosenbe 2015-01-14T12:15:39 If written for L2 does that mean it is also authentic - Guess graded readers fit in here. #eltchat  Big discussion point while writing CB.
angelos_bollas 2015-01-14T12:15:43 @MarjorieRosenbe Or to teach them ways to attack the ‘text’ even if they don’t know the vocal, right?  #ELTChat
patrickelt 2015-01-14T12:15:51 @MarjorieRosenbe I would often not pre-teach.  Wouldn't it be useful for learners to learn from context #ELTChat
HadaLitim 2015-01-14T12:16:02 @sandymillin I meant what was the aim? objectives of the lesson? A bit of a long one to describe here I guess #ELTChat
sandymillin 2015-01-14T12:16:02 @Shaunwilden @MarjorieRosenbe Depends on activity purpose: using it as a text, or for training in how to approach authentic mats #ELTChat
David__Boughton 2015-01-14T12:16:11 How often do people simplify authentic texts? It's time consuming, and does it lose it's value? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2015-01-14T12:16:13 @sandymillin @MarjorieRosenbe Yes - i was using it to introduce the idea of authenticity of task as well as material #ELTChat
michaelegriffin 2015-01-14T12:16:22 @Shaunwilden @MarjorieRosenbe Is the authenticity u mean more about the materials or the way they are used? #ELTchat For me its the former.
esolcourses 2015-01-14T12:16:22 RT @David__Boughton: How often do people simplify authentic texts? It's time consuming, and does it lose it's value? #eltchat
Marisa_C 2015-01-14T12:16:27 @ELTwriter no heresy - I am happy to break rules and simplify but try to give Ss the REAL thing at the end #ELTChat
MarjorieRosenbe 2015-01-14T12:16:36 Video clips - great idea. Do you consider Vicki Hollett's videos authentic? Made for teaching but wonderful to watch. #eltchat
HadaLitim 2015-01-14T12:16:47 RT @esolcourses: Robert O'Neill raises some interesting points about authenticity at the end of this article: http://t.co/l5vAB2mkhp #eltch…
sandymillin 2015-01-14T12:16:49 @ELTwriter Not heresy, but simplifying it removes the authenticity. If by adapt, you mean choose part of it, that’s fine I think #ELTChat
Shaunwilden 2015-01-14T12:16:49 @michaelegriffin @MarjorieRosenbe I am not always sure you can have one without the other #ELTChat
HadaLitim 2015-01-14T12:17:00 @esolcourses Thanks Sue will read later #ELTChat
plots_of_brum 2015-01-14T12:17:05 @MarjorieRosenbe I would say graded readers are inauthentic as the language has been graded. But could be wrong....#ELTChat
sandymillin 2015-01-14T12:17:22 @MarjorieRosenbe Graded readers aren’t authentic because the language is moderated to make it easier for learners #ELTChat
patrickelt 2015-01-14T12:17:22 @Marisa_C Yes, think about function/purpose of text rather than language included #ELTChat
HadaLitim 2015-01-14T12:17:23 RT @Marisa_C: @patrickelt So to begin with you need to look for material that fits some aims or you use material that has caught ur fancy? …
angelos_bollas 2015-01-14T12:17:39 @MarjorieRosenbe I don’t see readers as authentic material-they are designed w/ language classroom use in mind, aren’t they?  #ELTChat
michaelegriffin 2015-01-14T12:17:40 #ELTchat here is a collection of authentic materials I thought might be interesting for class. https://t.co/2rKjB0d039
Marisa_C 2015-01-14T12:17:57 @sandymillin @ELTwriter I think choosing usable excerpts is a great idea and not very well exploited by most Ts #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2015-01-14T12:18:03 @sandymillin That's what I thought. Am just confused then at texts aimed at L2. #eltchat
esolcourses 2015-01-14T12:18:03 @David__Boughton IMO, much depends on the level. Finding authentic texts for use with lower levels isn't easy... #ELTChat
ELTwriter 2015-01-14T12:18:05 @Shaunwilden @sandymillin @MarjorieRosenbe this is key 'authentic task' - would the target learners use that material in that way #eltchat
HadaLitim 2015-01-14T12:18:11 @sandymillin @MarjorieRosenbe By definition they aren't authentic, right? #ELTChat
plots_of_brum 2015-01-14T12:18:21 @David__Boughton Yep agree. Better to grade the task, not the text. #ELTChat
Marisa_C 2015-01-14T12:18:30 RT @plots_of_brum: @David__Boughton Yep agree. Better to grade the task, not the text. #ELTChat
sandymillin 2015-01-14T12:18:38 @michaelegriffin If using authentic materials, you should try to reflect how they’d be used in real life. #ELTChat
faraz_qurashi 2015-01-14T12:18:58 RT @David__Boughton: How often do people simplify authentic texts? It's time consuming, and does it lose it's value? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2015-01-14T12:19:10 RT @ELTwriter: @Shaunwilden @sandymillin @MarjorieRosenbe this is key 'authentic task' - would the target learners use that material in tha…
michaelegriffin 2015-01-14T12:19:17 @Shaunwilden #Eltchat just as a simple example I think using authentic maps in atypical and not real life ways has some value/interest.
MarjorieRosenbe 2015-01-14T12:19:18 @esolcourses @David__Boughton Agree. Even children's books use very complicated language at times and content not best for adults. #eltchat
sandymillin 2015-01-14T12:19:24 @michaelegriffin For example, we might read a DVD cover for info like length of film, actors in film etc #ELTChat
HadaLitim 2015-01-14T12:19:27 @Shaunwilden @sandymillin @MarjorieRosenbe Is the task authentic or the material? #eltchat
Ashowski 2015-01-14T12:19:36 @patrickelt @MarjorieRosenbe plus managing understanding a text without knowing all words is a vital skill they need to develop #eltchat
Marisa_C 2015-01-14T12:19:36 Nothing wrong with simulated authenticity esp for beginners/elementary  - or will have to wait for a long time b4 authentic text #ELTChat
joannacre 2015-01-14T12:19:36 @esolcourses @David__Boughton totally agree, so i try to use shorter texts with loads of pics/comics etc #eltchat
patrickelt 2015-01-14T12:19:41 @angelos_bollas @MarjorieRosenbe I would agree but does the same apply to books teaching children to read L1? #ELTChat
MarjorieRosenbe 2015-01-14T12:19:45 @esolcourses @David__Boughton I meant that many children's books might not be interesting for adult learners. #eltchat
David__Boughton 2015-01-14T12:19:46 @esolcourses True, especially adults, who don't always like reading kids books (e.g. Dr. Suess, etc.) #eltchat
michaelegriffin 2015-01-14T12:20:01 @sandymillin I'm not so sure. What is this "should" based upon? #ELTchat
plots_of_brum 2015-01-14T12:20:15 I found a g8 app to record voicemails that had been left on my phone for #DELTA. Lesson went well #ELTChat
angelos_bollas 2015-01-14T12:20:35 @patrickelt how come? do they grade their language for linguistic or other purposes? @MarjorieRosenbe  #ELTChat
Marisa_C 2015-01-14T12:20:39 If the text is authentic - should the tasks be authentic & faithful to the genre? #ELTChat
patrickelt 2015-01-14T12:20:42 @Marisa_C Yes agree - semi scripted listening texts are useful #ELTChat
MarjorieRosenbe 2015-01-14T12:20:45 @patrickelt Depends on situation. If they can't manage, I pre-teach, if they can, I don't. #ELTChat This came up in previous chat.
angelos_bollas 2015-01-14T12:20:49 RT @plots_of_brum: I found a g8 app to record voicemails that had been left on my phone for #DELTA. Lesson went well #ELTChat
Ashowski 2015-01-14T12:20:58 @michaelegriffin @Shaunwilden hey mike good to see you here :) #eltchat
sandymillin 2015-01-14T12:21:02 @MarjorieRosenbe mats for non-native audiences are fine,if not for linguistic purpose http://t.co/iwy7gee6Xs for ppl moving to UK #eltchat
Ashowski 2015-01-14T12:21:16 @plots_of_brum @David__Boughton that's what I learnt in #Delta - good idea :) #eltchat
patrickelt 2015-01-14T12:21:16 @Marisa_C They can reflect realistic discourse #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2015-01-14T12:21:22 @Ashowski @patrickelt Depends on level. If it becomes frustrating they will just stop. #ELTChat
David__Boughton 2015-01-14T12:21:25 @MarjorieRosenbe Yes, I agree. Children's books aren't afraid of tricky idioms, slang, or difficult structure. #eltchat
sandymillin 2015-01-14T12:21:37 @esolcourses @David__Boughton For lower levels, you have to choose task carefully. e.g. I do session where trainees have to… #ELTChat
sandymillin 2015-01-14T12:22:11 @esolcourses @David__Boughton …identify the words ‘Harry’ and ‘Potter’ in a page from a HP book written in Cyrillic #ELTChat
angelos_bollas 2015-01-14T12:22:14 @Marisa_C Unless we use it with lower level SS and we simplify the task to make it more manageable, right?  #ELTChat
joannacre 2015-01-14T12:22:17 I think adults like  auth texts. My BE sts love it when I give them sth from BBC capital. They don't understand all but enjoy it #eltchat
HadaLitim 2015-01-14T12:22:20 RT @Marisa_C: If the text is authentic - should the tasks be authentic & faithful to the genre? #ELTChat
patrickelt 2015-01-14T12:22:22 @angelos_bollas @MarjorieRosenbe Graded to provide repetition of words at low to level to develop skills #ELTChat
Shaunwilden 2015-01-14T12:22:23 RT @angelos_bollas: @Marisa_C Unless we use it with lower level SS and we simplify the task to make it more manageable, right?  #ELTChat
Marisa_C 2015-01-14T12:22:37 So back to the real question in this topic - what decisions for exploiting authentic material? Where does a T begin? #ELTChat
David__Boughton 2015-01-14T12:22:50 @Marisa_C    Yes, I like to lower my expectations, not the text or the tasks. #eltchat
HadaLitim 2015-01-14T12:23:06 @Marisa_C I don't think so. I think that one doesn't necessitate the other. It depends on the aim #ELTChat
Chris_Myth 2015-01-14T12:23:09 @ELTwriter #eltchat No I don't think it is heresy. I think it is a sound principle as authentic texts are often too difficult.
eilymurphy 2015-01-14T12:23:14 RT @David__Boughton: @Marisa_C    Yes, I like to lower my expectations, not the text or the tasks. #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2015-01-14T12:23:14 Also big difference in what is done with authentic material. Do they read it alone or do you work through it together? #ELTChat
Shaunwilden 2015-01-14T12:23:15 RT @Marisa_C: So back to the real question in this topic - what decisions for exploiting authentic material? Where does a T begin? #ELTChat
patrickelt 2015-01-14T12:23:15 @MarjorieRosenbe @Ashowski Maybe but perhaps this indicates text is just too high a level #ELTChat
plots_of_brum 2015-01-14T12:23:20 @Ashowski @David__Boughton Much less time consuming to true to real life. Ls have to learn to deal with unknown lang. #ELTChat
sandymillin 2015-01-14T12:23:25 @Marisa_C For lower levels, we can also provide lots of support e.g. pictures, summary of text before, vocab #ELTChat
angelos_bollas 2015-01-14T12:23:32 @patrickelt this is not for foreign language teaching purposes. They are aimed at native speakers> authentic @MarjorieRosenbe  #ELTChat
MarjorieRosenbe 2015-01-14T12:23:50 @patrickelt @Ashowski Could be. But my bankers sometimes want to read relevant articles. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2015-01-14T12:23:55 @Marisa_C does this mean after the material has been chosen? #ELTChat
HadaLitim 2015-01-14T12:23:57 @jimscriv Thx for sharing. Pls join us on #ELTchat now, we're discussing using authentic material
Marisa_C 2015-01-14T12:24:00 @sandymillin ok great - so a very strong priming stage to prep Ss for content and language? #ELTChat
eilymurphy 2015-01-14T12:24:06 RT @plots_of_brum: @Ashowski @David__Boughton Much less time consuming to true to real life. Ls have to learn to deal with unknown lang. #E…
Ashowski 2015-01-14T12:24:08 @Marisa_C interest to the learners? #eltchat
michaelegriffin 2015-01-14T12:24:16 RT @Marisa_C: If the text is authentic - should the tasks be authentic & faithful to the genre? #ELTChat
HadaLitim 2015-01-14T12:24:16 RT @Marisa_C: @sandymillin ok great - so a very strong priming stage to prep Ss for content and language? #ELTChat
Ashowski 2015-01-14T12:24:21 RT @angelos_bollas: @Marisa_C Unless we use it with lower level SS and we simplify the task to make it more manageable, right?  #ELTChat
ELTwriter 2015-01-14T12:24:29 @David__Boughton @MarjorieRosenbe reading stories my 5yr old this worries me + I sometimes grade-as-I-go so it's comprehensible #eltchat
patrickelt 2015-01-14T12:24:32 @joannacre Yes because this is what we ultimately want to do #ELTChat
sandymillin 2015-01-14T12:24:42 @michaelegriffin I mean teach learners to use them in a natural way. Like not trying to understand every word in a novel #ELTChat
Ashowski 2015-01-14T12:24:54 @MarjorieRosenbe @patrickelt I find it depends on the task #eltchat
Chris_Myth 2015-01-14T12:24:54 @Marisa_C #ELTChat Authentic tasks are often more motivating for learners
Marisa_C 2015-01-14T12:24:57 @Ashowski this refers to selection of text - sorry my Q was how u get started once u have the material #ELTChat
sandymillin 2015-01-14T12:25:06 @michaelegriffin Doesn’t mean we can’t use the materials in other ways too, but at least some activities should be ‘natural' #ELTChat
joannacre 2015-01-14T12:25:09 @Marisa_C whether it's intereresting, motivational. What will they learn with this. If my  other material isn't working #eltchat
ELTwriter 2015-01-14T12:25:19 @David__Boughton what value? It has to be comprehensible on some level to that level of L1/L2 learner #eltchat
HadaLitim 2015-01-14T12:25:22 @Marisa_C With the aims I would say. I usually look at the Ss' needs and choose material to achieve the aims #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 2015-01-14T12:25:23 @Marisa_C First step: use an online tool such as pinterest (or even a wiki) to create a pool of authentic materials #ELTChat
Ashowski 2015-01-14T12:25:29 @Marisa_C @sandymillin yes! I think priming them for ideas is better than vocab - get situation of the text clear in their heads. #eltchat
patrickelt 2015-01-14T12:25:32 @angelos_bollas @MarjorieRosenbe But is this meaning of authentic really useful #ELTChat
HadaLitim 2015-01-14T12:25:43 RT @Ashowski: @Marisa_C @sandymillin yes! I think priming them for ideas is better than vocab - get situation of the text clear in their he…
Marisa_C 2015-01-14T12:25:56 @sandymillin @michaelegriffin By 'natural' I take it u mean 'faithful' to the purposes for which this text intended? #eltchat
David__Boughton 2015-01-14T12:26:00 That's number one for me too @Ashowski @Marisa_C  #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2015-01-14T12:26:02 @patrickelt how do you mean that?@MarjorieRosenbe  #ELTChat
patrickelt 2015-01-14T12:26:07 @angelos_bollas @MarjorieRosenbe What is useful is exposing learners to real patterns of language that they can use #eltchat
HadaLitim 2015-01-14T12:26:15 @Ashowski @Marisa_C @sandymillin The ideas make them need vocab that they'll then go and search #ELTChat
Shaunwilden 2015-01-14T12:26:16 RT @Marisa_C: @Ashowski this refers to selection of text -  #ELTChat But surely you chose exploration is one key reason to choose the text?
joannacre 2015-01-14T12:26:27 @Ashowski @Marisa_C interesting for lnrs+ teacher. Can't give 'super duper' lessons if i ain't interested in it :) #eltchat
Ashowski 2015-01-14T12:26:28 @Marisa_C could be vocab basis or skills development. if extract language then something which appears a couple of times? #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2015-01-14T12:26:28 @patrickelt Agree! @MarjorieRosenbe  #ELTChat
sandymillin 2015-01-14T12:26:45 @Marisa_C @michaelegriffin Exactly. #ELTChat Reflecting real-life use of that type of text
michaelegriffin 2015-01-14T12:26:48 @sandymillin #ELTchat I guess what I'm suggesting/wondering is tthe use of such materials likely requires help of scaffolding or added tasks
Ashowski 2015-01-14T12:26:49 RT @angelos_bollas: @Marisa_C First step: use an online tool such as pinterest (or even a wiki) to create a pool of authentic materials #EL…
David__Boughton 2015-01-14T12:27:02 @ELTwriter I meant when a text is simplified, is it no longer authentic? Is it no longer as useful to a learner? #eltchat
plots_of_brum 2015-01-14T12:27:03 @Marisa_C @Ashowski Analyse language you want to exploit in the authentic material and then design relevant tasks #ELTChat
esolcourses 2015-01-14T12:27:06 Sorry, but I have to dash off early... thanks for a great discussion everyone & I look forward to catching up with the summary! #eltchat
Marisa_C 2015-01-14T12:27:15 RT @michaelegriffin: @sandymillin #ELTchat I guess what I'm suggesting/wondering is tthe use of such materials likely requires help of scaf…
Chris_Myth 2015-01-14T12:27:18 @Marisa_C #ELTChat I would avoid authenticity as some magic bullet. Texts and tasks still have to have relevant content + appropriate level
Marisa_C 2015-01-14T12:27:25 RT @plots_of_brum: @Marisa_C @Ashowski Analyse language you want to exploit in the authentic material and then design relevant tasks #ELTCh…
ELTwriter 2015-01-14T12:27:25 #eltchat does anyone run an AT thru the vocab kitchen CEFR profiler to see level compatibility for learners?
Shaunwilden 2015-01-14T12:27:54 RT @ELTwriter: #eltchat does anyone run an AT thru the vocab kitchen CEFR profiler to see level compatibility for learners?
MarjorieRosenbe 2015-01-14T12:28:00 In corporate training I actually use authentic materials to discuss content. Decisions by ECB for example. #eltchat
Marisa_C 2015-01-14T12:28:27 @plots_of_brum great idea - topic interest & skills development only w/o any language focus not such a hot idea #ELTChat
ELTwriter 2015-01-14T12:28:31 @Chris_Myth @Marisa_C exactly #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2015-01-14T12:28:41 @David__Boughton @ELTwriter It is still useful but serves different purposes, methinks.  #ELTChat
heikephilp 2015-01-14T12:29:00 @ELTwriter only used CEFR after lesson so that learners can selfassess #eltchat
HadaLitim 2015-01-14T12:29:00 Most of the authentic material I use nowadays is audio visual. Emails are also a great source to tap into #ELTChat
Marisa_C 2015-01-14T12:29:13 @Chris_Myth true - we also needs must include pedagogical tasks - all things 'real to life' is not realistic! #ELTChat
plots_of_brum 2015-01-14T12:29:30 @Marisa_C Absolutely. Also nice to focus on chunks of language and then get Ls to personalise those chunks #ELTChat
angelos_bollas 2015-01-14T12:29:39 Choice of authentic material depends on what the learners want to produce themselves, no?  #ELTChat
Shaunwilden 2015-01-14T12:29:49 RT @angelos_bollas: Choice of authentic material depends on what the learners want to produce themselves, no?  #ELTChat
michaelegriffin 2015-01-14T12:30:18 #eltchat I personally don't feel much tie/requirement/need to use authentic materials in their real life (or close to it) purpose#beliefs
Shaunwilden 2015-01-14T12:30:19 RT @angelos_bollas: Choice of authentic material depends on what the learners want... #ELTChat and the AM could come from them
angelos_bollas 2015-01-14T12:30:34 @heikephilp Hello there!! :) welcome to  #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2015-01-14T12:30:47 If we follow the top-down vs bottom-up processing model we may find some useful ideas for content vs language #ELTChat
Chris_Myth 2015-01-14T12:30:49 #ELTChat Reading texts: highlighting language, looking at grammatical patterns, vocab use, collocations, then lang. analysis + extension.
ELTwriter 2015-01-14T12:31:05 @MarjorieRosenbe it takes 3 seconds to cut/paste and plant in profiler which breaks down text into CEFR components #eltchat
S_CarlyonBaker 2015-01-14T12:31:19 #ELTChat take students on a community walk to get pamphlets,etc. from local businesses. Use them to discuss text structures and language.
Marisa_C 2015-01-14T12:31:21 RT @ELTwriter: @MarjorieRosenbe it takes 3 seconds to cut/paste and plant in profiler which breaks down text into CEFR components #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2015-01-14T12:31:21 RT @Shaunwilden: Choice of AM depends on what the learners want. #ELTChat and the AM could come from them>absolutely! makes it more exciting
whyshona 2015-01-14T12:31:35 @Marisa_C #eltchat Ha! I just posted on this :-) https://t.co/oi0RsvPHDW
Shaunwilden 2015-01-14T12:31:42 @ELTwriter @MarjorieRosenbe And how does this help in terms of authenticity? #ELTChat
angelos_bollas 2015-01-14T12:31:54 @S_CarlyonBaker Provided that they live in an English speaking country!  #ELTChat
Ashowski 2015-01-14T12:32:02 @ELTwriter what's that? #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2015-01-14T12:32:22 @ELTwriter don't know this tool - I was thinking of something else. Do you have link? #eltchat
Ashowski 2015-01-14T12:32:26 @plots_of_brum @Marisa_C took the words out of my mouth #eltchat
patrickelt 2015-01-14T12:32:27 @michaelegriffin Some tasks like filling in a table perhaps resemble what we do in real life but we do not do it concretely #ELTChat
Chris_Myth 2015-01-14T12:32:45 @Marisa_C Indeed. Authentic texts + tasks good, but still needs language work to aid actual learning #ELTChat
Marisa_C 2015-01-14T12:32:54 @whyshona thanks for sharing :-) #ELTChat
David__Boughton 2015-01-14T12:32:56 Is it really authentic if the teacher brings it in? Shouldn't the students find it? #eltchat
Ashowski 2015-01-14T12:32:57 @joannacre @Marisa_C can you not??? #eltchat
eilymurphy 2015-01-14T12:33:10 RT @David__Boughton: Is it really authentic if the teacher brings it in? Shouldn't the students find it? #eltchat
joannacre 2015-01-14T12:33:25 @Chris_Myth yeah but do we always have to use them to teach sth? Can't it be just for motivation-The 'magic' of the auth text? #eltchat
Marisa_C 2015-01-14T12:33:43 @David__Boughton in a minute we are going to turn this into a #dogme discussion - who chooses not so much the issue here #ELTChat
ELTwriter 2015-01-14T12:33:45 @Shaunwilden @MarjorieRosenbe it doesn't but you don't give a C1 text to an A2 IMO on the whole #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2015-01-14T12:34:05 @ELTwriter @Shaunwilden Of course not.#eltchat
sarwendah 2015-01-14T12:34:06 RT @David__Boughton: How often do people simplify authentic texts? It's time consuming, and does it lose it's value? #eltchat
Ashowski 2015-01-14T12:34:29 Teaching in English speaking environment, so feel need to use authentic materials - Ss leave school & r in authentic environment #eltchat
plots_of_brum 2015-01-14T12:34:29 Does anybody use authentic materials for exam classes? I use real news for IELTS #ELTChat
ELTwriter 2015-01-14T12:34:49 @Ashowski http://t.co/HsQMQwsfTM put your text in here and it gives a CEFR word breakdown VERY useful #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2015-01-14T12:34:59 @ELTwriter @Shaunwilden Athough my bankers often explain content to me and I explain individual vocab to them. #ELTChat
joannacre 2015-01-14T12:35:01 @Ashowski eh, I can... but I like to find sth interesting in the auth material i use #eltchat
Marisa_C 2015-01-14T12:35:09 @Ashowski @joannacre I can! #ELTChat what do you mean? That's what my training is for - to make boring stuff more exciting :-) #ELTChat
sandymillin 2015-01-14T12:35:11 @michaelegriffin Definitely - it’s the responsibility of the teacher to moderate use of the text so SS can access it #ELTChat
ELTwriter 2015-01-14T12:35:17 @MarjorieRosenbe @Shaunwilden http://t.co/HsQMQwsfTM #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2015-01-14T12:35:35 RT @Marisa_C: @Ashowski @joannacre I can! #ELTChat what do you mean? That's what my training is for - to make boring stuff more exciting :-…
Chris_Myth 2015-01-14T12:35:45 #eltchat BTW non-authentic texts often called "pedagogic(al) texts"
sandymillin 2015-01-14T12:35:46 @Marisa_C In many ways, depends on needs of class. What materials might they need to be able to access? #ELTChat
plots_of_brum 2015-01-14T12:35:52 @Marisa_C @David__Boughton But if you're feeling brave and Dogme is your thing can add to learner engagement #ELTChat
heikephilp 2015-01-14T12:35:58 RT @ELTwriter: @Ashowski http://t.co/HsQMQwsfTM put your text in here and it gives a CEFR word breakdown VERY useful #eltchat
Marisa_C 2015-01-14T12:36:02 And sometimes even to make the dead appear as if they were alive (see coursebooks :-) #ELTChat
michaelegriffin 2015-01-14T12:36:33 @Ashowski I'm super argumentative tonight, apparently. But, I've heard the argument that "EFL" teachers need to use auth mat more. #eltchat
ELTwriter 2015-01-14T12:36:43 @MarjorieRosenbe easaier than the lengthy process via http://t.co/n0WVM2vZzC #eltchat
marcusmurilo 2015-01-14T12:36:51 RT @ELTwriter: @Ashowski http://t.co/HsQMQwsfTM put your text in here and it gives a CEFR word breakdown VERY useful #eltchat
michaelegriffin 2015-01-14T12:36:56 @Ashowski The thought being that students cannot easily access them otherwise. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2015-01-14T12:36:57 @ELTwriter @MarjorieRosenbe that looks neat #ELTChat
angelos_bollas 2015-01-14T12:37:03 @michaelegriffin how come? @Ashowski  #ELTChat
sandymillin 2015-01-14T12:37:11 @Marisa_C Yes - by activating their schemata (buzz word!) or getting them in the right place in their head,more able to access txt #ELTChat
sarwendah 2015-01-14T12:37:18 RT @sandymillin: @MarjorieRosenbe I think authentic materials can be anything with some form of text on it. Certainly not just magazine/new…
joannacre 2015-01-14T12:37:21 @Marisa_C @Ashowski haha. Yeah like using real graphs to make presentations exciting. Yay. I love using authentic graphs jk #eltchat
Chris_Myth 2015-01-14T12:37:29 @joannacre #eltchat They could be used for fluency practice I guess, but I think there needs to some teaching/learning aim.
Marisa_C 2015-01-14T12:37:40 @plots_of_brum @David__Boughton sure - this presumes mats design capabilities at a good level :-) #ELTChat
angelos_bollas 2015-01-14T12:38:11 RT @Chris_Myth: #eltchat They could be used for fluency practice I guess, but I think there needs to some teaching/learning aim. >true!
sandymillin 2015-01-14T12:38:17 @David__Boughton @ELTwriter If simplified, it can still be useful, but it’s no longer authentic. depends on use/aims #eltchat
DustinAcEd 2015-01-14T12:38:30 RT @muranava: A Pron Chart Zoo #eltchat #eltchinwag #tesol #langchat #evo http://t.co/VDgS62M8dA
angelos_bollas 2015-01-14T12:38:49 @michaelegriffin But there is the internet! AM is available 24/365  #ELTChat
Marisa_C 2015-01-14T12:39:36 @michaelegriffin @Ashowski Widdowson objected to this at least for lower levels - making sense of real English v difficult  4 them #ELTChat
plots_of_brum 2015-01-14T12:39:40 @Marisa_C @David__Boughton that's why I don't do Dogme yet! #ELTChat
MarjorieRosenbe 2015-01-14T12:39:43 @ELTwriter @Shaunwilden Thanks , have bookmarked it. #eltchat
joannacre 2015-01-14T12:39:48 @Chris_Myth what about to show your learner," Hey! Look you can understand this article and it hasn't been adapted. Gr8 work!" #eltchat
sandymillin 2015-01-14T12:39:55 @michaelegriffin How do you use them then? Or do you just treat them as you would any other text? #ELTChat
David__Boughton 2015-01-14T12:39:56 @Marisa_C @plots_of_brum SUre, I would say it takes skill to take any authentic text and find a use for it. #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2015-01-14T12:40:17 @ELTwriter That's the one I thought of. But C1 for one st may be standard vocab for another. #ELTChat
sandymillin 2015-01-14T12:40:26 @ELTwriter Have you got the link for the CEFR profiler? #eltchat
Ashowski 2015-01-14T12:40:48 @Marisa_C @michaelegriffin but my learnes, even beginners, leave the classroom and r in the UK where everything is authentic #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2015-01-14T12:40:51 @joannacre can’t you do this outside classroom? as a h/w activity? @Chris_Myth  #ELTChat
ELTwriter 2015-01-14T12:40:53 @angelos_bollas @michaelegriffin game-changer, no? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2015-01-14T12:40:56 RT @sandymillin: @ELTwriter Have you got the link for the CEFR profiler? #eltchat http://t.co/o6NYbEKgG9
plots_of_brum 2015-01-14T12:41:14 @David__Boughton @Marisa_C But much easier to do if you plan. Lots of lexical exploitation activities than you can re-use #ELTChat
Shaunwilden 2015-01-14T12:41:15 RT @Ashowski: @Marisa_C @michaelegriffin but my learnes, even beginners, leave the classroom and r in the UK where everything is authentic …
angelos_bollas 2015-01-14T12:41:43 @David__Boughton Why do you have to find use for it? AM do have an authentic use by themselves, right? @Marisa_C @plots_of_brum  #ELTChat
Marisa_C 2015-01-14T12:42:04 @Ashowski @michaelegriffin which means? what are the implications of this for lesson/materials design? #eltchat
sandymillin 2015-01-14T12:42:09 @ELTwriter Hmm…depends on the A2 learner! I’ve been reading Game of Thrones in Russian, knowing I won’t understand all. Learn lots! #ELTChat
Chris_Myth 2015-01-14T12:42:15 @joannacre #ELTChat Yes. That would be motivating, but there's also an opportunity to exploit language, collocations connected speech etc.
Shaunwilden 2015-01-14T12:42:40 RT @angelos_bollas: @David__Boughton Why do you have to find use for it? AM do have an authentic use by themselves, right? @Marisa_C @plots…
joannacre 2015-01-14T12:42:57 @Ashowski yeah but they go back to their international little groups (assuming we r talking about ur EAPers, right?) #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2015-01-14T12:43:05 @angelos_bollas @David__Boughton @Marisa_C @plots_of_brum the use being the one it was designed for? #ELTChat
MarjorieRosenbe 2015-01-14T12:43:18 Learners in L1 environment only are aware of what they can absorb, at least I had that in German. #ELTChat
michaelegriffin 2015-01-14T12:43:20 @sandymillin Just to say that I wouldn't always consider the intended purpose of the text as paramount. #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2015-01-14T12:43:23 RT @Shaunwilden: @angelos_bollas @David__Boughton @Marisa_C @plots_of_brum the use being the one it was designed for? #ELTChat
plots_of_brum 2015-01-14T12:43:36 @angelos_bollas @David__Boughton @Marisa_C Agree. Extensive reading / listening practice. Encouraging learners to enjoy English #ELTChat
sandymillin 2015-01-14T12:43:42 @plots_of_brum Great authentic materials for IELTS = podcasts: https://t.co/tomv41qC9o Gets them used to science lang esp #ELTChat
michaelegriffin 2015-01-14T12:43:54 @sandymillin The same as any other text? Good question! Maybe needs more scaffolding, depending. #ELTchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2015-01-14T12:43:55 Words I didn't know I didn't hear. Once I learned them, everyone said them. #eltchat
Ashowski 2015-01-14T12:44:15 @Marisa_C @michaelegriffin which means authentic materials in the classroom is good surely? just have to grade tasks (u nt agree?) #eltchat
sandymillin 2015-01-14T12:44:22 @plots_of_brum Also articles from magazines like BBC Focus Magazine great for Science/tech for IELTS #eltchat (often diffcult area I think!)
ELTwriter 2015-01-14T12:44:22 @MarjorieRosenbe Are we slipping into ESP/BE - if so then different rules apply. Authentic is king post A2[high]/B1+ #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2015-01-14T12:44:26 @MarjorieRosenbe Sounds like a good research topic! ;) #ELTChat
Marisa_C 2015-01-14T12:44:29 in BE Ss able to deal with authentic complex text BECAUSE of content knowledge - may be this way in for beginners? #ELTChat
David__Boughton 2015-01-14T12:44:42 @angelos_bollas True, I guess I meant was be prepared to teach it (e.g. understand the grammar/vocab, have some activities, etc.) #eltchat
Ashowski 2015-01-14T12:45:09 @joannacre no it's not EAPers - they are from all over and live with host families #eltchat
eilymurphy 2015-01-14T12:45:12 RT @Marisa_C: in BE Ss able to deal with authentic complex text BECAUSE of content knowledge - may be this way in for beginners? #ELTChat
angelos_bollas 2015-01-14T12:45:24 RT @Marisa_C: in BE Ss able to deal with authentic complex text BECAUSE of content knowledge... #ELTChat > and motivation
SueAnnan 2015-01-14T12:45:45 Has anyone taught using the videos from Life course book.? #eltchat
Marisa_C 2015-01-14T12:45:51 RT @plots_of_brum: @angelos_bollas @David__Boughton @Marisa_C Agree. Extensive reading / listening practice. Encouraging learners to enjoy …
heikephilp 2015-01-14T12:45:54 RT @sandymillin: @plots_of_brum Great authentic materials for IELTS = podcasts: https://t.co/tomv41qC9o Gets them used to science lang esp …
plots_of_brum 2015-01-14T12:46:01 @sandymillin Great tips. Thanks. I use @BBCBreaking videos as warmers for Writing lessons. #ELTChat
Shaunwilden 2015-01-14T12:46:08 RT @SueAnnan: Has anyone taught using the videos from Life course book.? #eltchat Never heard of it :-)
michaelegriffin 2015-01-14T12:46:11 @sandymillin Im thinking about menus. I wouldn't feel the need to culminate in "order off the menu" or "choose an item you'd like" #eltchat
MrsLindaPosp 2015-01-14T12:46:15 RT @angelos_bollas: RT @Marisa_C: in BE Ss able to deal with authentic complex text BECAUSE of content knowledge... #ELTChat > and motivati…
angelos_bollas 2015-01-14T12:46:19 Hellos @SueAnnan Happy New Year!  #ELTChat
plots_of_brum 2015-01-14T12:46:39 @sandymillin Plus loads of authentic lessons here http://t.co/DpUpogXMaD #ELTchat
sarwendah 2015-01-14T12:46:40 RT @ELTchat: RT @Marisa_C:"What is the best way to exploit authentic materials?"  Topic u voted for on #ELTchat - in abt 50' suggested by @…
HadaLitim 2015-01-14T12:46:48 @SueAnnan No but we've just introduced the New cutting edge  and the videos are hilarious! #ELTChat Never thought I'd say that abt CE
marcusmurilo 2015-01-14T12:47:08 @plots_of_brum but I also guess that "encouraging Ss to enjoy English" w/o giving them some purpose might have the opposite effect #eltchat
Ashowski 2015-01-14T12:47:15 @plots_of_brum @sandymillin @BBCBreaking oooh havent seen @bbcbreaking before - must check that out #eltchat
sandymillin 2015-01-14T12:47:27 @michaelegriffin don’t think I mean tht all activities you use should always be the natural way to access AM, but at least some she #eltchat
joannacre 2015-01-14T12:47:28 Btw in EAP all those specialised books... So, hard to use auth material there but necessary #eltchat
Ashowski 2015-01-14T12:47:41 @michaelegriffin @sandymillin why not? ^_^ #eltchat
sandymillin 2015-01-14T12:47:42 @michaelegriffin *should! #ELTChat
angelos_bollas 2015-01-14T12:47:49 @HadaLitim “Never thought I’d say that bat CE” - lol @SueAnnan #ELTChat
michaelegriffin 2015-01-14T12:48:08 @sandymillin I am still wondering where the should comes from. Can you say more about this? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2015-01-14T12:48:10 @SueAnnan so the videos themselves are authentic #ELTChat
MarjorieRosenbe 2015-01-14T12:48:11 @ELTwriter And 'authentic' can be in-company badly written materials because English is corporate language. #eltchat
Chris_Myth 2015-01-14T12:48:16 #eltchat Simplifying reading texts is easier. Simplifying listeing texts more difficult, but there is at least one way 1/2
marcusmurilo 2015-01-14T12:48:39 @sandymillin @ELTwriter I wonder if u could be described as an average learner -- certainly not! haha ;) #eltchat
sandymillin 2015-01-14T12:49:07 @michaelegriffin I’m trying/failing to think of specific examples. It’s the disconnect between a text and it’s use #ELTChat
marcusmurilo 2015-01-14T12:49:18 @sandymillin @ELTwriter I'm saying this because my guess is most Ss would find demotivating... #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2015-01-14T12:49:24 RT @SueAnnan: @Shaunwilden absolutely. Watched one about Peruvian weavers today. Great lesson discussion #ELTChat
Ashowski 2015-01-14T12:49:36 Ss who write sth = this is authentic. Use that as text with other class to 'work on' or 'improve' #eltchat
Chris_Myth 2015-01-14T12:49:40 #eltchat Audacity is open source software. You can change tempo of WAV files and slow down audio texts to make them easier. Other ideas? 2/2
sandymillin 2015-01-14T12:49:43 @michaelegriffin May leave SS less able/unable to deal with that kind of text if they come across it in real life #ELTChat
sandymillin 2015-01-14T12:50:04 RT @MarjorieRosenbe: Words I didn't know I didn't hear. Once I learned them, everyone said them. #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2015-01-14T12:50:13 @ELTwriter Or power point presentations put together in HO for board meetings filled with mistakes. #eltchat
michaelegriffin 2015-01-14T12:50:23 @sandymillin Im thinking of resumes and maps and cover letters. I think "inauthentic" tasks can b a nice way to access meanings #ELTchat
MrsLindaPosp 2015-01-14T12:50:34 Hi to all, a bit l8 4 #eltchat but have an anecdote to share: I've ordered 3 chemistry books recently and totally confused our librarians ;)
Marisa_C 2015-01-14T12:50:42 @Chris_Myth chop off bits - ask ss to fill in the in-between - then listen may be #eltchat - helps process diff lang
sandymillin 2015-01-14T12:50:57 @marcusmurilo @ELTwriter Think it’s about how you sell the task to the learner too. I know GoT well, so can access it easily #ELTChat
sandymillin 2015-01-14T12:51:17 @marcusmurilo @ELTwriter Wouldn’t do the same with story I don’t know. Familiarity helps a lot, as @LizziePinard will tell you too #ELTChat
MarjorieRosenbe 2015-01-14T12:51:18 @MarjorieRosenbe @sandymillin - does this happen to you with Russian? #eltchat
mariacolussa 2015-01-14T12:51:34 RT @ELTchat: RT @Marisa_C:"What is the best way to exploit authentic materials?"  Topic u voted for on #ELTchat - in abt 50' suggested by @…
David__Boughton 2015-01-14T12:51:45 @Chris_Myth Repeating the listening multiple times. Pausing and discussing. #eltchat
HadaLitim 2015-01-14T12:51:50 @Marisa_C Marisa it's so much better than the last edition #eltchat I haven't had to supplemtn as much this term #ELTChat
JournalETAS 2015-01-14T12:51:55 RT @sandymillin: @plots_of_brum Great authentic materials for IELTS = podcasts: https://t.co/tomv41qC9o Gets them used to science lang esp …
sandymillin 2015-01-14T12:52:07 @Marisa_C Yes, familiarity with content makes a huge difference.If you know story etc, can guess at language. Easier to bridge gap #ELTChat
plots_of_brum 2015-01-14T12:52:13 @Ashowski @sandymillin @BBCBreaking Lots of 2-3 min videos. Perfect 2get them warmed up /input lang b4 writing / speaking lesson #ELTChat
Shaunwilden 2015-01-14T12:52:15 RT @sandymillin: @Marisa_C Yes, familiarity with content makes a huge difference.If you know story etc, can guess at language. Easier to br…
Ashowski 2015-01-14T12:52:24 @michaelegriffin @sandymillin what's an inauthentic task in this case? #eltchat
sandymillin 2015-01-14T12:52:42 @michaelegriffin What do you mean? #ELTChat
sandymillin 2015-01-14T12:53:14 @MarjorieRosenbe With every language! It’s all about noticing. Even English words :) ‘Undergrid’ from IATEFL 2012 is a fave #ELTChat
ELTwriter 2015-01-14T12:53:18 @sandymillin @marcusmurilo @LizziePinard so sounds like topic literacy at inappropriate lang level ... ESP learner #eltchat Eng for Battle
michaelegriffin 2015-01-14T12:53:49 @sandymillin I mean using those materials(asking Ss work with them) in ways that are not specific to their intended purposes #eltchat
HadaLitim 2015-01-14T12:53:57 I emailed my students with a real personal problem of mine and had them email me back. Screenshot oall the emails & worked on them #ELTchat
lexicoloco 2015-01-14T12:54:03 RT @SueAnnan: Has anyone taught using the videos from Life course book.? #eltchat
Marisa_C 2015-01-14T12:54:09 problem is there is no published list of AM's with genre features & lang features helpful to Ts - trying to build one but huge task #ELTChat
Shaunwilden 2015-01-14T12:54:51 @michaelegriffin @sandymillin So not using them to assess candidate suitability etc? Use them for story writing...#ELTChat
plots_of_brum 2015-01-14T12:55:37 @Marisa_C I guess you have to save things as u go along that have lesson potential. Takes enjoyment out of reading/watching tho! #ELTChat
angelos_bollas 2015-01-14T12:56:43 @plots_of_brum This way you save things you find interesting - not always true for your SS, right? @Marisa_C #ELTChat
sandymillin 2015-01-14T12:56:51 @Shaunwilden @SueAnnan SpeakOut also uses authentic videos taken from BBC and interviews with people on streets #ELTChat
Marisa_C 2015-01-14T12:56:55 @plots_of_brum but very necessary listing for Ts - text/genre analysis not intuitive #eltchat
ELTwriter 2015-01-14T12:56:58 @HadaLitim was the advice good? I need that address:)  #eltchat
HadaLitim 2015-01-14T12:57:10 @sandymillin @SueAnnan A bit of both! The funny thing is students wer ein stitches so at least they managed that #ELTChat
Chris_Myth 2015-01-14T12:57:12 @sandymillin @MarjorieRosenbe #eltchat Yes noticing. Why we need to use authentic texts and design tasks for teaching and learning.
sandymillin 2015-01-14T12:57:47 @Chris_Myth @MarjorieRosenbe Also the idea of priming which I finally understand after #IHDoS15 - multiple exposures to real lang #ELTChat
plots_of_brum 2015-01-14T12:57:54 RT @HadaLitim: I emailed my students with a real personal problem of mine and had them email me back. Screenshot oall the emails & worked o…
angelos_bollas 2015-01-14T12:58:01 @plots_of_brum ok then! :) @Marisa_C #ELTChat
HadaLitim 2015-01-14T12:58:10 @ELTwriter Funny enough some of it was really useful - totally unexpected! #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 2015-01-14T12:58:26 Wanted: Authentic Materials writer - must be able to summarise #ELTChat - volunteers please
Marisa_C 2015-01-14T12:59:19 2 mins to go - reminding everyone that next week #ELTchat is at 9 p.m. - at 12 p.m. in a hangout w./Nicky Hockly http://t.co/tLqYDTVBZP
mariacolussa 2015-01-14T12:59:20 @plots_of_brum @Marisa_C Hi #ELTChat ! Happy New Year! I Google Doc links or favourite on twitter my teaching potential content
SueAnnan 2015-01-14T12:59:40 @Shaunwilden thought Sandy had been strong armed #ELTChat
angelos_bollas 2015-01-14T12:59:50 RT @Marisa_C: 2 mins to go - reminding everyone that next week #ELTchat is at 9 p.m. - at 12 p.m. in a hangout w./Nicky Hockly http://t.co/…
sandymillin 2015-01-14T13:00:01 @SueAnnan @Shaunwilden I have and I will #ELTChat
Shaunwilden 2015-01-14T13:00:05 RT @Marisa_C: 2 mins to go - reminding everyone that next week #ELTchat is at 9 p.m. - at 12 p.m. in a hangout w./Nicky Hockly http://t.co/…
plots_of_brum 2015-01-14T13:00:15 #ELTchat thanks all for an interesting session. A nice distraction from #DELTA LSA 3 and my 2nd time in the forum.
Marisa_C 2015-01-14T13:00:16 RT @SueAnnan: @Shaunwilden thought Sandy had been strong armed #ELTChat > Its her call and she has accepted already :-)
SueAnnan 2015-01-14T13:01:01 @sandymillin  what a star#ELTChat
HadaLitim 2015-01-14T13:01:07 That was one challenging chat to follow - super fast and furious hehe. Thanks everyone #ELTChat
Chris_Myth 2015-01-14T13:01:31 #eltchat Thanks everyone. V interesting.
heikephilp 2015-01-14T13:02:05 Thank you! #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2015-01-14T13:02:07 Great #ELTChat today! See you next week! :)
SueAnnan 2015-01-14T13:02:42 Good chat. Will catch up properly with the summary. Bye all #ELTChat
Marisa_C 2015-01-14T13:03:08 @HadaLitim Great chat - blown over by how fast & furious #ELTchat - what a comeback! Thank you all for joining !!!!!
sandymillin 2015-01-14T13:03:24 Nice to be able to come to an #eltchat for once. No idea when I’ll be able to come again, but hopefully it won’t be another 18 months! ;)
MarjorieRosenbe 2015-01-14T13:03:28 Thanks everyone. Happy new year and a good start to 2015! #eltchat
heikephilp 2015-01-14T13:03:37 Short reminder if I may that Marisa is giving a webinar on the pedagogical aspects of machinima making this Friday, 16 Jan 9pm. #eltchat
HadaLitim 2015-01-14T13:04:37 @Marisa_C I know!! I thought it was just me getting rusty after a long break and added pounds hehe #ELTChat
heikephilp 2015-01-14T13:05:19 Marisa's webinar, Fri 16 Jan 9pm GMT http://t.co/clW37q6Yy2 #eltchat
ELTwriter 2015-01-14T13:07:39 good range of opinion today. Nice chatting elt-chatters :) may your 2015 be wonderful #eltchat
HadaLitim 2015-01-14T13:09:16 @sandymillin Hopefully not! Thx for a great suggestion and chat #ELTChat
HadaLitim 2015-01-14T13:12:03 @ELTwriter The emails made for great material to go through both lang and conventions #ELTChat
KetanHein 2015-01-14T14:01:47 RT @michaelegriffin: #ELTchat here is a collection of authentic materials I thought might be interesting for class. https://t.co/2rKjB0d039
Marisa_C 2015-01-14T14:47:26 Propose a topic for the 21st of January: Propose a topic for the 21st of January   Right here – below... http://t.co/mtkXmqTVG9 #eltchat
mark_arthur 2015-01-14T15:05:59 RT @michaelegriffin: #ELTchat here is a collection of authentic materials I thought might be interesting for class. https://t.co/2rKjB0d039

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