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Are Phrasal Verbs Grammar or Vocabulary

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#ELTchat on 26/11/2014 on Phrasal Verbs: Grammar or Vocabulary? Are Phrasal Verbs Grammar or Vocabulary.xlsx

 

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ELTwriter 26 November 2014 12:01:27 PM RT @ELTchat: Phrasal verbs: some books list them under grammar, others under vocabulary. Which one and how do your teach them? - #ELTchat t…
angelos_bollas 26 November 2014 12:01:33 PM Hello #eltchat!
ELTwriter 26 November 2014 12:01:53 PM @ELTchat interested to hear how people do it. #eltchat
Marisa_C 26 November 2014 12:02:53 PM Welcome everyone - who is here to talk about 'phrasal verbs'? #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 26 November 2014 12:03:31 PM @Marisa_C bet you’ve never said a sentence like that before #eltchat
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 12:03:55 PM Hi everyone! I'm here #ELTchat
Marisa_C 26 November 2014 12:04:41 PM @HadaLitim @Shaunwilden great to see two more moderators :-) Was afraid I'd have to go it alone #ELTchat
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 12:05:38 PM @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden I must say I share the feeling! #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 26 November 2014 12:06:10 PM @Marisa_C @HadaLitim I didn’t there are usually at least 2 or 3 mods turn up #eltchat
angelos_bollas 26 November 2014 12:06:10 PM “Phrasal Verbs” for today!  It seems that not only students but teachers avoid them, as well… (lol) #eltchat
Marisa_C 26 November 2014 12:06:43 PM So where is @mary28sou who asked the question? #ELTchat - why has she not 'turned up'? :-)
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 12:07:21 PM I tried to look up a definition and it seems that in itself opens a whole can of worms http://t.co/gNtRIAeyY6 #ELTchat
cherrymp 26 November 2014 12:07:31 PM Joining #ELTChat which discusses phrasal verbs.
cherrymp 26 November 2014 12:08:02 PM RT @HadaLitim: I tried to look up a definition and it seems that in itself opens a whole can of worms http://t.co/IBsUpR8o7K #ELTchat > :(
Shaunwilden 26 November 2014 12:08:03 PM @HadaLitim @Marisa_C is the rule that we have to get in one PV per tweet? #eltchat
cherrymp 26 November 2014 12:08:28 PM @Shaunwilden @HadaLitim @Marisa_C LOL! #ELTChat humour!
Marisa_C 26 November 2014 12:08:37 PM RT @HadaLitim: I tried to look up a definition and it seems that in itself opens a whole can of worms http://t.co/auvgezxcAx #ELTchat > yes
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 12:08:39 PM @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C I like that! #eltchat
angelos_bollas 26 November 2014 12:08:44 PM @HadaLitim Well, as the topic suggests, they are challenging both grammatically and lexically #eltchat
cherrymp 26 November 2014 12:09:59 PM @angelos_bollas @HadaLitim Especially how the meaning transforms as a verb drops one preposition and takes up another. #eltchat
Marisa_C 26 November 2014 12:10:24 PM So what is a phrasal verb or should we not worry about that 'can of worms' @HadaLitim opened? #eltchat
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 12:10:40 PM @angelos_bollas But where's the challenge? Native speakers learn them without realising they exist, defining them is the issue #eltchat
angelos_bollas 26 November 2014 12:11:08 PM @cherrymp Which results from teachers grouping them according to the lexical verb @HadaLitim #eltchat
cherrymp 26 November 2014 12:11:38 PM @angelos_bollas I didn't get that grouping part. @HadaLitim #eltchat
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 12:12:13 PM Perhaps we could first ask ourselves if and what makes them challenging when teaching? #eltchat
cherrymp 26 November 2014 12:12:14 PM RT @HadaLitim: @angelos_bollas Native speakers learn them without realising they exist, defining them is the issue #eltchat > true.
angelos_bollas 26 November 2014 12:12:29 PM @HadaLitim I think most of them are idiomatic, informal, slang, etc. which only makes it harder for learners. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 26 November 2014 12:12:49 PM RT @HadaLitim: Perhaps we could first ask ourselves if and what makes them challenging when teaching? #eltchat Overload?
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 12:13:01 PM @angelos_bollas Well, I'm not sure Angelos. That's the thing #eltchat
cherrymp 26 November 2014 12:13:28 PM Wish @HadaLitim had opened the can of worms article earlier. #eltchat
Marisa_C 26 November 2014 12:13:46 PM @cherrymp @HadaLitim @angelos_bollas all PVbs of PUT trather than all PVs with OFF #ELTchat
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 12:13:55 PM @Shaunwilden Overload - totally agree. Students' confusion when trying to make sense of them #eltchat
cherrymp 26 November 2014 12:14:30 PM @Marisa_C Thanks Marisa. Perfect explanation. @HadaLitim @angelos_bollas #eltchat
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 12:15:05 PM Trying to learn them out of context  #eltchat
Marisa_C 26 November 2014 12:15:11 PM @mary28sou asked if PVs part of grammar or vocab - what do u think? #eltchat and... does it matter/
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 12:15:15 PM RT @Marisa_C: @cherrymp @HadaLitim @angelos_bollas all PVbs of PUT trather than all PVs with OFF #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 26 November 2014 12:15:27 PM @Marisa_C They are part of the native speakers’ repertoire so SS need to learn them (thus, we should care) I think. @HadaLitim #eltchat
cherrymp 26 November 2014 12:15:37 PM If a T starts teaching PV then there is no end to it. That could be a reason for its complexity and challenge? #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 26 November 2014 12:15:41 PM Hi everyone, was on the phone and couldn't join till now. Guess it is about phrasal verbs. #eltchat
cherrymp 26 November 2014 12:16:00 PM @MarjorieRosenbe Yes. Very much about PV. #eltchat
Marisa_C 26 November 2014 12:16:08 PM @MarjorieRosenbe good to see u! Yes phrasals #eltchat
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 12:16:16 PM @Marisa_C @mary28sou To me it doesn't but if I must, it's more about lexis than grammar #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 26 November 2014 12:16:19 PM @Marisa_C @HadaLitim Had a terrible time once with a publisher defining what they were and what they weren't. #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 26 November 2014 12:16:44 PM @HadaLitim Agree - I teach them when they come up in context. #eltchat
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 12:16:56 PM RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @HadaLitim Agree - I teach them when they come up in context. #eltchat
Marisa_C 26 November 2014 12:16:59 PM @MarjorieRosenbe @HadaLitim he needed to know whether to stick them in the grammar or vocab box probably :-) #Eltchat
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 12:17:06 PM @MarjorieRosenbe Hola Marjorie #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 26 November 2014 12:17:14 PM @Marisa_C @mary28sou Not sure it matters but seems to be put in vocab often. #eltchat
Marisa_C 26 November 2014 12:17:15 PM RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @HadaLitim Agree - I teach them when they come up in context. #eltchat > good choice
cherrymp 26 November 2014 12:17:35 PM @Marisa_C Do you mean PV matter or that distinction? @mary28sou #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 26 November 2014 12:17:50 PM @Marisa_C @HadaLitim No, it was which words were actually phrasal verbs and which weren't. Disagreed with my list. #eltchat
Marisa_C 26 November 2014 12:17:54 PM I see them as vocab but we need to take care of their grammar - no question :-) #eltchat
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 12:18:06 PM @Shaunwilden mentioned overload - how much is too much? #eltchat
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 12:18:17 PM RT @Marisa_C: I see them as vocab but we need to take care of their grammar - no question :-) #eltchat
Marisa_C 26 November 2014 12:18:18 PM @MarjorieRosenbe distinction between phrasal and prepositional verbs? #eltchat
angelos_bollas 26 November 2014 12:18:18 PM @Marisa_C There are good reasons for either. It is easier for SS to learn them when I approach them lexically, tho @mary28sou #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 26 November 2014 12:18:30 PM Phrasal verbs useful for comparison with other verbs - show difference in formality in bus E. #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 26 November 2014 12:19:08 PM @Marisa_C No idea - I had a list from the internet and he crossed off half of them - never did understand why. #eltchat
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 12:19:13 PM @MarjorieRosenbe yes, and GE #eltchat
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 12:19:50 PM @MarjorieRosenbe @Marisa_C Mysteries of publishing ;) #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 26 November 2014 12:20:25 PM @HadaLitim @Marisa_C More or less, or an editor who was just difficult - project wasn't successful in the end. #eltchat
cherrymp 26 November 2014 12:20:31 PM RT @Marisa_C: I see them as vocab but we need to take care of their grammar - no question :-) #eltchat > Agree
angelos_bollas 26 November 2014 12:20:40 PM @Marisa_C phrasal= verb+adv prepositional=verb+prep @MarjorieRosenbe #eltchat
Shaunwilden 26 November 2014 12:21:03 PM @cherrymp   @Marisa_C Yeah i tend to think of them as vocab as well #eltchat
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 12:21:10 PM @MarjorieRosenbe  @Shaunwilden mentioned overload - how much is too much? #eltchat @Marisa_C Ooops #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 26 November 2014 12:21:47 PM @HadaLitim @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C Lists of isolated phrases not helpful. #eltchat
cherrymp 26 November 2014 12:22:07 PM For non-native speakers learning PV is a real challenge because there are not many instances where they hear them used naturally #eltchat
angelos_bollas 26 November 2014 12:22:13 PM Do we introduce their grammar to all learners or only to more advanced ones? #eltchat
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 12:22:17 PM @MarjorieRosenbe @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C -> yep! Or isolated anything #eltchat ))
MarjorieRosenbe 26 November 2014 12:22:33 PM @HadaLitim @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C Ture. #eltchat
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MarjorieRosenbe 26 November 2014 12:23:48 PM I tend to teach them as word chunks rather than grammar, grammar is mostly adding -ing or object, break them up, etc. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 26 November 2014 12:23:57 PM RT @MarjorieRosenbe: I tend to teach them as word chunks rather than grammar, grammar is mostly adding -ing or object, break them up, etc. …
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 12:24:35 PM @angelos_bollas ' About the only thing grammars agree on is that phrasal verbs consist of more than one part' AZ of ELT #eltchat
Marisa_C 26 November 2014 12:24:45 PM @MarjorieRosenbe Good idea as chunks but issue of separability or non-separability needs to be addressed #eltchat
cherrymp 26 November 2014 12:25:08 PM Most often what is tested in PV in CRs is the vocabulary side of it rather than the grammar. #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 26 November 2014 12:25:11 PM @HadaLitim @angelos_bollas Thanks Hada, that was what I thought. #eltchat
angelos_bollas 26 November 2014 12:25:22 PM @cherrymp Should we do sth about it, then? e.g. provide input that exposes them to natural use of PV? #eltchat
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 12:25:25 PM @MarjorieRosenbe The tough part abt their grammar is the separable or not part which only comes up in higher levels #eltchat
NikkiFortova 26 November 2014 12:25:32 PM Hi all, just getting up to speed on the topic :-) how about helping learners with the particle rather than delixicalized verb? #eltchat
Marisa_C 26 November 2014 12:25:40 PM @cherrymp unless Ss are asked to transform in an exam using a PV #eltchat
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 12:26:03 PM @MarjorieRosenbe @angelos_bollas Interesting blog post by Thornbury here  http://t.co/gNtRIAeyY6 #eltchat
Shaunwilden 26 November 2014 12:26:19 PM RT @HadaLitim: @MarjorieRosenbe @angelos_bollas Interesting blog post by Thornbury here  http://t.co/gNtRIAeyY6 #eltchat
Marisa_C 26 November 2014 12:26:46 PM @NikkiFortova lol interesting spilling :-D #eltchat
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 12:26:51 PM @NikkiFortova Hi nIkki! Yes, we mostly agree that they're more to do with vocab than grammar #eltchat
cherrymp 26 November 2014 12:27:23 PM @Marisa_C True. But mostly it is the vocabulary side that I remember from school tests. #eltchat
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 12:27:36 PM @MarjorieRosenbe @angelos_bollas Same here, but I had to read it up to make sure #eltchat
angelos_bollas 26 November 2014 12:27:41 PM One cause of difficulty for the learners might be that PV might not exist in their L1. Diff for them to get the concept. #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 26 November 2014 12:27:51 PM @cherrymp  But they need to know how they are used. 'turn s o. down' or 'turn down s.o', or 's.th. blows over, etc.#eltchat
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 12:28:14 PM @angelos_bollas Yes, but we must be careful when labeling them as idiomatic #eltchat
cherrymp 26 November 2014 12:28:31 PM @angelos_bollas Yes. Especially in a country like India where English is around Ts can easily find real life examples. #eltchat
Marisa_C 26 November 2014 12:28:34 PM RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @cherrymp  But they need to know how they are used. 'turn s o. down' or 'turn down s.o', or 's.th. blows over, etc.#el…
Shaunwilden 26 November 2014 12:28:55 PM RT @Marisa_C: @NikkiFortova welcome - great to have u here <3 hashtag ladies #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 26 November 2014 12:28:59 PM @NikkiFortova @Marisa_C Me too.  Correcting papers and tweeting. #eltchat
cherrymp 26 November 2014 12:29:04 PM @MarjorieRosenbe Yes, they should. But often it is the meaning part of it that gets highlighted is what I meant. #eltchat
danilorpo 26 November 2014 12:29:04 PM I usually teach PV as chunks. I think it is difficult to teach them as Grammar because there are different ways to use the same PV #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 26 November 2014 12:29:11 PM @cherrymp the web offers lots of useable  material. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 26 November 2014 12:29:12 PM RT @danilorpo: I usually teach PV as chunks. I think it is difficult to teach them as Grammar because there are different ways to use the s…
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 12:29:17 PM @MarjorieRosenbe @cherrymp - yes, that's what comes up as tricky with my Ss, separable or not #eltchat
angelos_bollas 26 November 2014 12:29:37 PM RT @HadaLitim: @angelos_bollas Yes, but we must be careful when labeling them as idiomatic #eltchat> some of them are, aren’t they?
MarjorieRosenbe 26 November 2014 12:29:50 PM @cherrymp Of course, that too. But the chunks help get the correct usage across. #eltchat
Marisa_C 26 November 2014 12:30:14 PM @angelos_bollas PVs a frequent essay topic here - @Shaunwilden u must have marked ur fair share :--) #eltchat
angelos_bollas 26 November 2014 12:30:19 PM RT @HadaLitim: @MarjorieRosenbe @cherrymp - yes, that's what comes up as tricky with my Ss, separable or not #eltchat>same here.
NikkiFortova 26 November 2014 12:30:28 PM @MarjorieRosenbe I’m trying to walk to work and follow the chat. Don’t walk and tweet - not good for your health :-) #eltchat
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 12:30:28 PM @angelos_bollas Yes, but not all #eltchat - some can actually be translated ie sit down #eltchat
cherrymp 26 November 2014 12:30:32 PM @angelos_bollas Yes. But access to the Internet is not that uniform everywhere. So in my local context print media are preferred. #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 26 November 2014 12:30:51 PM @angelos_bollas @HadaLitim @cherrymp For mine too although meaning is also a problem. #eltchat
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 12:31:00 PM @NikkiFortova @MarjorieRosenbe Mind the lamp posts! #eltchat
Marisa_C 26 November 2014 12:31:13 PM Let's talk about some useful classroom activities - any ideas to share? #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 26 November 2014 12:31:24 PM @NikkiFortova Have done that many times - glad to be at home today for a change. #eltchat
angelos_bollas 26 November 2014 12:31:30 PM RT @cherrymp: Yes. But access to the Internet is not that uniform everywhere. in my local context print media are preferred. #eltchat>true!
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 12:31:57 PM @MarjorieRosenbe @angelos_bollas @cherrymp Oh yes, and a good job that can be looked up quite easily I think #eltchat
angelos_bollas 26 November 2014 12:32:06 PM RT @HadaLitim: @angelos_bollas Yes, but not all #eltchat - some can actually be translated ie sit down #eltchat>yes!
cherrymp 26 November 2014 12:32:37 PM RT @Marisa_C: Let's talk about some useful classroom activities - any ideas to share? #eltchat > Agree
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 12:32:45 PM RT @Marisa_C: Let's talk about some useful classroom activities - any ideas to share? #eltchat
NikkiFortova 26 November 2014 12:33:09 PM @Marisa_C lovely to be here - interesting topic. I was asked whether phrasal verbs are worth teaching with ELF - I say yes! #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 26 November 2014 12:33:35 PM Matching them to their equivalents on paper or cards - then using them to complete texts in different registers. #eltchat
danilorpo 26 November 2014 12:33:49 PM For instance, we could teach phrasal verbs with look: look for, look into, look up, look forward to, etc. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 26 November 2014 12:33:50 PM RT @MarjorieRosenbe: Matching them to their equivalents on paper or cards - then using them to complete texts in different registers. #eltc…
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 12:33:57 PM RT @MarjorieRosenbe: Matching them to their equivalents on paper or cards - then using them to complete texts in different registers. #eltc…
angelos_bollas 26 November 2014 12:34:22 PM Turning a very formal letter into a very informal one with as many PVs as possible #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 26 November 2014 12:34:24 PM finding the phrasal verbs in letters/emails and their equivalents in other emails. #eltchat
muranava 26 November 2014 12:34:27 PM #eltchat hi all this has some good advice http://t.co/9ykAP5V20o as well as a great corpus search tool http://t.co/1kkT05kK0Z
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 12:34:37 PM RT @MarjorieRosenbe: finding the phrasal verbs in letters/emails and their equivalents in other emails. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 26 November 2014 12:34:48 PM RT @muranava: #eltchat hi all this has some good advice http://t.co/9ykAP5V20o as well as a great corpus search tool http://t.co/1kkT05kK0Z
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 12:34:49 PM RT @muranava: #eltchat hi all this has some good advice http://t.co/9ykAP5V20o as well as a great corpus search tool http://t.co/1kkT05kK0Z
jankenb2 26 November 2014 12:34:52 PM Jenny here from Warsaw, hi. PV are important because they are language chunks & language must reach a level of automaticity. #eltchat
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 12:35:06 PM @muranava Hi and thank Mura #eltchat
angelos_bollas 26 November 2014 12:35:22 PM RT @Marisa_C: Phrasal verbs Bingo? e.g. a board for PUT and various particles in the grid or various vbs that go with OFF #eltchat
Shaunwilden 26 November 2014 12:35:31 PM @jankenb2 true but like other lexis frequency should play a part  #eltchat
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 12:35:31 PM @jankenb2 Hi Jenny, thanks for joining us! #eltchat
cherrymp 26 November 2014 12:35:36 PM Teaching PV based on themes (e.g. travel) could be helpful. #eltchat
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 12:35:49 PM RT @angelos_bollas: RT @Marisa_C: Phrasal verbs Bingo? e.g. a board for PUT and various particles in the grid or various vbs that go with O…
MarjorieRosenbe 26 November 2014 12:36:06 PM @angelos_bollas @Marisa_C Great idea! #eltchat
Marisa_C 26 November 2014 12:36:17 PM @angelos_bollas Gd idea - not enough attention paid to diff tenor - PVs part of everyday spoken lang - lexical equivakents fml #eltchat
Marisa_C 26 November 2014 12:36:34 PM RT @cherrymp: Teaching PV based on themes (e.g. travel) could be helpful. #eltchat
jankenb2 26 November 2014 12:36:36 PM PV can also be tied to metaphorical thinking which is import too. 4 ex when we say improve, we mean up, It's a visual response. #eltchat
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 12:36:49 PM RT @angelos_bollas: Turning a very formal letter into a very informal one with as many PVs as possible #eltchat
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 12:36:55 PM RT @Marisa_C: @angelos_bollas Gd idea - not enough attention paid to diff tenor - PVs part of everyday spoken lang - lexical equivakents fm…
MarjorieRosenbe 26 November 2014 12:37:00 PM @jankenb2 Hi Jenny, agree - definitely a reason to teach them. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 26 November 2014 12:37:05 PM @Marisa_C @angelos_bollas  ooo look at the DELTA tutor throwing words like tenor :-)  #eltchat
Marisa_C 26 November 2014 12:37:28 PM @Shaunwilden lol :-) u caught me #eltchat
NikkiFortova 26 November 2014 12:37:29 PM RT @cherrymp: Teaching PV based on themes (e.g. travel) could be helpful. #eltchat
angelos_bollas 26 November 2014 12:38:16 PM As a SS, I found it confusing when I had to learn them grouped with lexical verb. #eltchat
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 12:38:22 PM Teaching a set based on a theme and asking students to try and use it in a role play. Eg interview fill in, look up, write up, .. #eltchat
cherrymp 26 November 2014 12:38:30 PM RT @jankenb2: Jenny here from Warsaw, hi. PV are important because they are language chunks & language must reach a level of automaticity. …
jankenb2 26 November 2014 12:38:37 PM #eltchat Is there a frequency table of PV for academic Eng or conver. Eng. etc? It would be good to use as a guide. Much like the Dolch 100.
Shaunwilden 26 November 2014 12:38:54 PM RT @jankenb2: #eltchat Is there a frequency table of PV for academic Eng or conver. Eng. etc? It would be good to use as a guide. Much like…
danilorpo 26 November 2014 12:38:59 PM @Marisa_C write a verb in a card and give students pieces of paper with different prepositions. Ask them to form sentences #eltchat
angelos_bollas 26 November 2014 12:39:04 PM RT @HadaLitim: Teaching a set based on a theme and asking students to try and use it in a role play. #eltchat> sounds good! :)
NikkiFortova 26 November 2014 12:39:21 PM Try to help learners with the frequent meaning of particles - “on” often expressing continuation, for example. #eltchat
Marisa_C 26 November 2014 12:39:27 PM One of my trainees did a great lesson using suggestopedia -- Ss had to memorize a whole text full of PVs #eltchat
SueAnnan 26 November 2014 12:39:41 PM I like Pvs. I usually start from the point of the participle #eltchat Ps Hello everyone
Marisa_C 26 November 2014 12:39:41 PM RT @NikkiFortova: Try to help learners with the frequent meaning of particles - “on” often expressing continuation, for example. #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 26 November 2014 12:40:16 PM @angelos_bollas @Marisa_C Not sure if that was the distinction as I think he had 'phrasal verbs' like 'turn off'. #eltchat
cherrymp 26 November 2014 12:40:23 PM @danilorpo That will be challenging for basic learners. @Marisa_C #eltchat
angelos_bollas 26 November 2014 12:40:24 PM RT @Marisa_C: One of my trainees did a great lesson using suggestopedia -- Ss had to memorize a whole text full of PVs #eltchat> video/post?
Shaunwilden 26 November 2014 12:40:28 PM @Marisa_C Dont often hear the words ‘great’ and suggestopedia’ together - sounds really interesting  #eltchat
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 12:40:29 PM Listening to an authentic podcast and lifting the PVs. Looking up their meaning and then recycling them #eltchat
Marisa_C 26 November 2014 12:40:34 PM @SueAnnan Hya! great to see u #eltchat
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 12:41:10 PM @SueAnnan Hi Sue! #eltchat
jankenb2 26 November 2014 12:41:11 PM #eltchat Here is a quick search of PV  https://t.co/23pAduVvGn I may use this as part of my course webpage & build Ss interactivity w/tools
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 12:41:19 PM RT @jankenb2: #eltchat Here is a quick search of PV  https://t.co/23pAduVvGn I may use this as part of my course webpage & build Ss interac…
cherrymp 26 November 2014 12:41:20 PM @Marisa_C What made it great? #eltchat
Marisa_C 26 November 2014 12:41:23 PM @Shaunwilden was actually v effective - we later used the technique with some BE students very successfully #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 26 November 2014 12:41:33 PM @Marisa_C @HadaLitim i think that makes it more complicated. Used a worksheet yesterday that had 'bottle up' as phrasal verb. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 26 November 2014 12:41:58 PM There are quite a few apps that deal with PV for example http://t.co/e5CEwPffyK #eltchat
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 12:42:10 PM RT @Shaunwilden: There are quite a few apps that deal with PV for example http://t.co/e5CEwPffyK #eltchat
Marisa_C 26 November 2014 12:42:12 PM @cherrymp Ss learnt PVs in context of a mystery story - they then had to use them  in order to solve mystery - lots of encounters #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 26 November 2014 12:42:20 PM @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C Used to love teaching with suggestopiedia and had loads of great lessons. #eltchat Blogged about it too.
Shaunwilden 26 November 2014 12:42:26 PM @Marisa_C Is there a plan or a video or the lesson? #eltchat
cherrymp 26 November 2014 12:42:49 PM RT @Shaunwilden: There are quite a few apps that deal with PV for example http://t.co/dQXP0Vrz5a #eltchat #eltindia
Marisa_C 26 November 2014 12:42:59 PM @Shaunwilden There is a plan - yes - will ask cand if I can upload - think will be OK #eltchat
jankenb2 26 November 2014 12:43:06 PM #eltchat unless the Ss can generate the PV in a novelutterance then there is no functional value. So be make novel utterance the end goal
SueAnnan 26 November 2014 12:43:17 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C Is there a plan or a video or the lesson? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 26 November 2014 12:43:19 PM @Marisa_C Thanks would be interesting to see #eltchat
cherrymp 26 November 2014 12:43:24 PM @MarjorieRosenbe Can you share the link to those blog posts? Love to read. @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C #eltchat
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 12:43:50 PM @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden Would love to see that too #eltchat
NikkiFortova 26 November 2014 12:44:00 PM RT @Marisa_C: @cherrymp Ss learnt PVs in context of a mystery story - they then had to use them  in order to solve mystery - lots of encoun…
cherrymp 26 November 2014 12:44:18 PM @Marisa_C Interesting. If you could upload it and let us know would love to have a look. #eltchat
NikkiFortova 26 November 2014 12:44:20 PM @Marisa_C lovely idea. #eltchat
Marisa_C 26 November 2014 12:44:24 PM @cherrymp @MarjorieRosenbe @Shaunwilden when later "tested" Ss could remember all the PVs in stories #eltchat and use properly
jankenb2 26 November 2014 12:44:42 PM A great intermediate test for PV is creating an error laden page with X% of correct/incorrect & put into teams to find & solve. #eltchat
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 12:45:02 PM RT @jankenb2: A great intermediate test for PV is creating an error laden page with X% of correct/incorrect & put into teams to find & solv…
cherrymp 26 November 2014 12:45:07 PM @Marisa_C That's interesting and makes me all the more eager to see it. @MarjorieRosenbe @Shaunwilden #eltchat
angelos_bollas 26 November 2014 12:45:22 PM RT @cherrymp: @Marisa_C That's interesting and makes me all the more eager to see it. @MarjorieRosenbe @Shaunwilden #eltchat>same here
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 12:45:24 PM @jankenb2 That's a great idea - I can see how effective that would be #eltchat
cherrymp 26 November 2014 12:46:12 PM @jankenb2 Error spotting would be interesting for students. Consciousness raising activity. Plus the team spirit. #eltchat
angelos_bollas 26 November 2014 12:46:56 PM @jankenb2 That’s a good one, yes. #eltchat
cherrymp 26 November 2014 12:47:13 PM @NikkiFortova I think what probably would have hooked them is the 'mystery' element. @Marisa_C #eltchat
Marisa_C 26 November 2014 12:47:27 PM A lesson about visualisation techniques (story making with irrelevant words - then asking Ss to use same for list of PVs #eltchat
SueAnnan 26 November 2014 12:47:38 PM So do you consider them vocab or grammar points? #eltchat
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 12:48:07 PM @SueAnnan We seem to mostly agree on vocab #eltchat
Shaunwilden 26 November 2014 12:48:11 PM RT @SueAnnan: So do you consider them vocab or grammar points? #eltchat look earlier in the transcript we discussed that :-)
Marisa_C 26 November 2014 12:48:35 PM Lesson based on a listening with Paul Daniels #Eltchat
jankenb2 26 November 2014 12:48:42 PM #eltchat Would you consider pairing Eng PV with L1 cognates? Is that possible? & would that be beneficial as compare/contrast schema dev?
SueAnnan 26 November 2014 12:49:02 PM @HadaLitim thanks #eltchat haven't got time to scroll back at the mo
Marisa_C 26 November 2014 12:49:13 PM @jankenb2 not all languages have PV equivalents - #eltchat
Shaunwilden 26 November 2014 12:49:15 PM @Marisa_C reminds a story activity from implementing the lexical approach where you have to get as many into a story as possible #eltchat
angelos_bollas 26 November 2014 12:49:17 PM @jankenb2 But not all lang. have PVs #eltchat
Marisa_C 26 November 2014 12:49:52 PM @Shaunwilden exactly - same principle #eltchat - Daniels famous for memorizing huge amounts of words in shows
MarjorieRosenbe 26 November 2014 12:49:57 PM @angelos_bollas Isn't 'off' a preposition?  Not sure. What about 'turn on'? #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 26 November 2014 12:50:31 PM @angelos_bollas But I think for students the labelling is less important than using them correctly. #eltchat
Marisa_C 26 November 2014 12:50:39 PM @cherrymp @NikkiFortova True - so context must be engaging and drive Ss to further production naturally #eltchat
SueAnnan 26 November 2014 12:51:03 PM @MarjorieRosenbe  doesn't it depends on the meaning? #eltchat
jankenb2 26 November 2014 12:51:08 PM #eltchat another fun activity would be to have a secret PV for the day & give a reward/candy to the Ss when uttered spontaneously in disc.
cherrymp 26 November 2014 12:51:12 PM Sorry to leave #eltchat 10 min before time. Interesting discussion.
Shaunwilden 26 November 2014 12:51:19 PM RT @jankenb2: #eltchat another fun activity would be to have a secret PV for the day & give a reward/candy to the Ss when uttered spontaneo…
Marisa_C 26 November 2014 12:51:34 PM RT @jankenb2: #eltchat another fun activity would be to have a secret PV for the day & give a reward/candy to the Ss when uttered spontaneo…
Marisa_C 26 November 2014 12:51:52 PM @jankenb2 nice one #eltchat
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 12:51:59 PM @Marisa_C @cherrymp @NikkiFortova Yes and also realise that they're most common in Eng so using them makes thm sound more natural #eltchat
Marisa_C 26 November 2014 12:52:13 PM RT @HadaLitim: @Marisa_C @cherrymp @NikkiFortova Yes and also realise that they're most common in Eng so using them makes thm sound more na…
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 12:52:33 PM RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @angelos_bollas But I think for students the labelling is less important than using them correctly. #eltchat
angelos_bollas 26 November 2014 12:52:57 PM @MarjorieRosenbe Some awareness though may help some of them categorise/store them in some way #eltchat
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 12:53:00 PM @cherrymp Thanks for joining us! #eltchat
SueAnnan 26 November 2014 12:53:09 PM Sorry. That was short and sweet. Gotta go and prepare next lesson#eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 26 November 2014 12:53:22 PM @angelos_bollas Sue, you are right. 'off' can be either - just checked CALD. #eltchat, Another reason I don't label.
angelos_bollas 26 November 2014 12:53:24 PM RT @HadaLitim: Yes and also realise that they're most common in Eng so using them makes thm sound more natural #eltchat>good motive for them
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 12:53:27 PM @SueAnnan Have a good one Sue #eltchat
jankenb2 26 November 2014 12:53:46 PM #eltchat Using a mind map to draw out the L1 and L2 understandings of the PV would work well. In the center the PV, then netnodes are L1/L2
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 12:54:02 PM @angelos_bollas good motive for them -> yes #eltchat
angelos_bollas 26 November 2014 12:54:04 PM @SueAnnan Bye Sue. See you next time! #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 26 November 2014 12:54:22 PM @angelos_bollas True, although I think it may depend on level (and dare I say it, learning style?). #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 26 November 2014 12:54:46 PM @SueAnnan Bye Sue. Talk soon. #eltchat
angelos_bollas 26 November 2014 12:54:48 PM @MarjorieRosenbe Agree for both. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 26 November 2014 12:55:44 PM Don’t forget this #eltchat will need to be written up
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 12:55:58 PM @jankenb2 yes, I usually only do it with L2 but adding L1 could enhance the learning #eltchat
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 12:56:02 PM RT @jankenb2: #eltchat Using a mind map to draw out the L1 and L2 understandings of the PV would work well. In the center the PV, then netn…
Shaunwilden 26 November 2014 12:56:19 PM Is someone going to come forward, jump in and take the summary on? #eltchat
Marisa_C 26 November 2014 12:56:56 PM One last thingie - do you work at all with the pronunciation of PVs - e.g. where does the stress go? #eltchat
jankenb2 26 November 2014 12:57:05 PM See you later. Thanks for the convo and learning. #eltchat always adds up to something. PV assessment ;-)
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 12:57:42 PM @jankenb2 Thanks Jenny - chat again soon #eltchat
Marisa_C 26 November 2014 12:57:54 PM @danilorpo I think it can work with any level and with any lexis - depends on difficulty of text #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 26 November 2014 12:58:25 PM @Shaunwilden Still catching up from BESIG. Maybe next time. #eltchat
Marisa_C 26 November 2014 12:58:37 PM @jankenb2  well done u used your daily quota of PVs for this #ELTchat - see u soon
angelos_bollas 26 November 2014 12:59:00 PM @Marisa_C yes. In some cases stress shift turns the PV into a noun, right? #eltchat
Marisa_C 26 November 2014 12:59:13 PM Anyone keen to do the summary of this great #ELTchat?
Shaunwilden 26 November 2014 12:59:20 PM RT @Marisa_C: Anyone keen to do the summary of this great #ELTchat?
Marisa_C 26 November 2014 12:59:51 PM @angelos_bollas example? brain stopped #eltchat
angelos_bollas 26 November 2014 1:01:08 PM @Marisa_C turnoff vs turn off is what I had in mind #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 26 November 2014 1:01:12 PM Thanks everyone, have to get back to preparing classes. #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 26 November 2014 1:01:48 PM @angelos_bollas @Marisa_C Very true, hadn't thought of that. #eltchat
danilorpo 26 November 2014 1:01:51 PM @jankenb2 Great idea! I'm going to use this secret activity :) #eltchat
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 1:02:06 PM @MarjorieRosenbe Thanks Marjorie and see you around ;) #eltchat
Marisa_C 26 November 2014 1:02:08 PM @angelos_bollas ok Jose! never had that happen as syntax wd be different but yes possible #eltchat
Shaunwilden 26 November 2014 1:02:16 PM Next week it’s the evening #eltchat slot dont forget you can suggest topics already
MarjorieRosenbe 26 November 2014 1:02:24 PM @ELTchat Tried today - not sure where mine landed. #eltchat
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 1:02:27 PM RT @Shaunwilden: Next week it’s the evening #eltchat slot dont forget you can suggest topics already
Shaunwilden 26 November 2014 1:02:58 PM RT @cherrymp: Listen to all the six @edtechconcerns podcasts here: http://t.co/1NueUUV8OQ #eltindia #edtech #eltchat
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 1:03:06 PM @MarjorieRosenbe @ELTchat That's funny Marjorie, it made me chuckled...#eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 26 November 2014 1:03:08 PM @Shaunwilden Can you see if mine is there? #eltchat
Marisa_C 26 November 2014 1:03:19 PM And don't be afraid to suggest language areas to discuss - this one was a nice idea #eltchat
angelos_bollas 26 November 2014 1:03:26 PM @Marisa_C I can do summary but after M1 exam. #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 26 November 2014 1:03:40 PM @HadaLitim @ELTchat Which one? #eltchat
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 1:03:56 PM @MarjorieRosenbe @Shaunwilden Yes it is :) #eltchat On PD, right?
Marisa_C 26 November 2014 1:04:05 PM @angelos_bollas Sold! #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 26 November 2014 1:04:22 PM @HadaLitim @Shaunwilden Yes, that's it. #eltchat
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 1:04:32 PM @MarjorieRosenbe @ELTchat the 'where it landed' part #eltchat
Marisa_C 26 November 2014 1:04:46 PM @MarjorieRosenbe It's there but this not the new post yet - will add it myself when up #eltchat
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 1:04:57 PM @MarjorieRosenbe @Shaunwilden Then, it's there #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 26 November 2014 1:05:16 PM @HadaLitim @ELTchat The internet is still a mystery to me and cyberspace is part of that mystery. #eltchat
angelos_bollas 26 November 2014 1:05:24 PM See you next week! #eltchat  Enjoy the rest of the day!
MarjorieRosenbe 26 November 2014 1:05:45 PM @Marisa_C Thanks. :-) Guess I jumped the gun. #eltchat
Marisa_C 26 November 2014 1:05:56 PM @angelos_bollas doing the summary so @HadaLitim or @SueAnnan if posting transcript let him know pls? #eltchat
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 1:06:00 PM @MarjorieRosenbe @ELTchat You and me both - it's neither land nor space and that's the mystery to me. Where is it all? #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 26 November 2014 1:06:09 PM Have a good week all. #eltchat
Marisa_C 26 November 2014 1:06:24 PM @MarjorieRosenbe better jump the gun than have us chasing for topics :-D #eltchat
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 1:06:27 PM @MarjorieRosenbe Thanks and you too #eltchat
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 1:06:51 PM @Marisa_C @angelos_bollas @SueAnnan Ok Marisa #eltchat
Marisa_C 26 November 2014 1:07:14 PM Well - time to get back to teaching, marking, training, writing - whatever you are involved in have a great time till next week #eltchat
HadaLitim 26 November 2014 1:07:16 PM Bye everyone, chat again soon #eltchat

 

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