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ELTwriter |
26 November 2014 12:01:27 PM |
RT @ELTchat: Phrasal verbs: some books list them under grammar, others under vocabulary. Which one and how do your teach them? - #ELTchat t… |
angelos_bollas |
26 November 2014 12:01:33 PM |
Hello #eltchat! |
ELTwriter |
26 November 2014 12:01:53 PM |
@ELTchat interested to hear how people do it. #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
26 November 2014 12:02:53 PM |
Welcome everyone - who is here to talk about 'phrasal verbs'? #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden |
26 November 2014 12:03:31 PM |
@Marisa_C bet you’ve never said a sentence like that before #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 12:03:55 PM |
Hi everyone! I'm here #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
26 November 2014 12:04:41 PM |
@HadaLitim @Shaunwilden great to see two more moderators :-) Was afraid I'd have to go it alone #ELTchat |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 12:05:38 PM |
@Marisa_C @Shaunwilden I must say I share the feeling! #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden |
26 November 2014 12:06:10 PM |
@Marisa_C @HadaLitim I didn’t there are usually at least 2 or 3 mods turn up #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
26 November 2014 12:06:10 PM |
“Phrasal Verbs” for today! It seems that not only students but teachers avoid them, as well… (lol) #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
26 November 2014 12:06:43 PM |
So where is @mary28sou who asked the question? #ELTchat - why has she not 'turned up'? :-) |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 12:07:21 PM |
I tried to look up a definition and it seems that in itself opens a whole can of worms http://t.co/gNtRIAeyY6 #ELTchat |
cherrymp |
26 November 2014 12:07:31 PM |
Joining #ELTChat which discusses phrasal verbs. |
cherrymp |
26 November 2014 12:08:02 PM |
RT @HadaLitim: I tried to look up a definition and it seems that in itself opens a whole can of worms http://t.co/IBsUpR8o7K #ELTchat > :( |
Shaunwilden |
26 November 2014 12:08:03 PM |
@HadaLitim @Marisa_C is the rule that we have to get in one PV per tweet? #eltchat |
cherrymp |
26 November 2014 12:08:28 PM |
@Shaunwilden @HadaLitim @Marisa_C LOL! #ELTChat humour! |
Marisa_C |
26 November 2014 12:08:37 PM |
RT @HadaLitim: I tried to look up a definition and it seems that in itself opens a whole can of worms http://t.co/auvgezxcAx #ELTchat > yes |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 12:08:39 PM |
@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C I like that! #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
26 November 2014 12:08:44 PM |
@HadaLitim Well, as the topic suggests, they are challenging both grammatically and lexically #eltchat |
cherrymp |
26 November 2014 12:09:59 PM |
@angelos_bollas @HadaLitim Especially how the meaning transforms as a verb drops one preposition and takes up another. #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
26 November 2014 12:10:24 PM |
So what is a phrasal verb or should we not worry about that 'can of worms' @HadaLitim opened? #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 12:10:40 PM |
@angelos_bollas But where's the challenge? Native speakers learn them without realising they exist, defining them is the issue #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
26 November 2014 12:11:08 PM |
@cherrymp Which results from teachers grouping them according to the lexical verb @HadaLitim #eltchat |
cherrymp |
26 November 2014 12:11:38 PM |
@angelos_bollas I didn't get that grouping part. @HadaLitim #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 12:12:13 PM |
Perhaps we could first ask ourselves if and what makes them challenging when teaching? #eltchat |
cherrymp |
26 November 2014 12:12:14 PM |
RT @HadaLitim: @angelos_bollas Native speakers learn them without realising they exist, defining them is the issue #eltchat > true. |
angelos_bollas |
26 November 2014 12:12:29 PM |
@HadaLitim I think most of them are idiomatic, informal, slang, etc. which only makes it harder for learners. #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
26 November 2014 12:12:49 PM |
RT @HadaLitim: Perhaps we could first ask ourselves if and what makes them challenging when teaching? #eltchat Overload? |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 12:13:01 PM |
@angelos_bollas Well, I'm not sure Angelos. That's the thing #eltchat |
cherrymp |
26 November 2014 12:13:28 PM |
Wish @HadaLitim had opened the can of worms article earlier. #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
26 November 2014 12:13:46 PM |
@cherrymp @HadaLitim @angelos_bollas all PVbs of PUT trather than all PVs with OFF #ELTchat |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 12:13:55 PM |
@Shaunwilden Overload - totally agree. Students' confusion when trying to make sense of them #eltchat |
cherrymp |
26 November 2014 12:14:30 PM |
@Marisa_C Thanks Marisa. Perfect explanation. @HadaLitim @angelos_bollas #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 12:15:05 PM |
Trying to learn them out of context #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
26 November 2014 12:15:11 PM |
@mary28sou asked if PVs part of grammar or vocab - what do u think? #eltchat and... does it matter/ |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 12:15:15 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @cherrymp @HadaLitim @angelos_bollas all PVbs of PUT trather than all PVs with OFF #ELTchat |
angelos_bollas |
26 November 2014 12:15:27 PM |
@Marisa_C They are part of the native speakers’ repertoire so SS need to learn them (thus, we should care) I think. @HadaLitim #eltchat |
cherrymp |
26 November 2014 12:15:37 PM |
If a T starts teaching PV then there is no end to it. That could be a reason for its complexity and challenge? #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
26 November 2014 12:15:41 PM |
Hi everyone, was on the phone and couldn't join till now. Guess it is about phrasal verbs. #eltchat |
cherrymp |
26 November 2014 12:16:00 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe Yes. Very much about PV. #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
26 November 2014 12:16:08 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe good to see u! Yes phrasals #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 12:16:16 PM |
@Marisa_C @mary28sou To me it doesn't but if I must, it's more about lexis than grammar #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
26 November 2014 12:16:19 PM |
@Marisa_C @HadaLitim Had a terrible time once with a publisher defining what they were and what they weren't. #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
26 November 2014 12:16:44 PM |
@HadaLitim Agree - I teach them when they come up in context. #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 12:16:56 PM |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @HadaLitim Agree - I teach them when they come up in context. #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
26 November 2014 12:16:59 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe @HadaLitim he needed to know whether to stick them in the grammar or vocab box probably :-) #Eltchat |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 12:17:06 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe Hola Marjorie #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
26 November 2014 12:17:14 PM |
@Marisa_C @mary28sou Not sure it matters but seems to be put in vocab often. #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
26 November 2014 12:17:15 PM |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @HadaLitim Agree - I teach them when they come up in context. #eltchat > good choice |
cherrymp |
26 November 2014 12:17:35 PM |
@Marisa_C Do you mean PV matter or that distinction? @mary28sou #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
26 November 2014 12:17:50 PM |
@Marisa_C @HadaLitim No, it was which words were actually phrasal verbs and which weren't. Disagreed with my list. #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
26 November 2014 12:17:54 PM |
I see them as vocab but we need to take care of their grammar - no question :-) #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 12:18:06 PM |
@Shaunwilden mentioned overload - how much is too much? #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 12:18:17 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: I see them as vocab but we need to take care of their grammar - no question :-) #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
26 November 2014 12:18:18 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe distinction between phrasal and prepositional verbs? #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
26 November 2014 12:18:18 PM |
@Marisa_C There are good reasons for either. It is easier for SS to learn them when I approach them lexically, tho @mary28sou #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
26 November 2014 12:18:30 PM |
Phrasal verbs useful for comparison with other verbs - show difference in formality in bus E. #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
26 November 2014 12:19:08 PM |
@Marisa_C No idea - I had a list from the internet and he crossed off half of them - never did understand why. #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 12:19:13 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe yes, and GE #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 12:19:50 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe @Marisa_C Mysteries of publishing ;) #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
26 November 2014 12:20:25 PM |
@HadaLitim @Marisa_C More or less, or an editor who was just difficult - project wasn't successful in the end. #eltchat |
cherrymp |
26 November 2014 12:20:31 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: I see them as vocab but we need to take care of their grammar - no question :-) #eltchat > Agree |
angelos_bollas |
26 November 2014 12:20:40 PM |
@Marisa_C phrasal= verb+adv prepositional=verb+prep @MarjorieRosenbe #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
26 November 2014 12:21:03 PM |
@cherrymp @Marisa_C Yeah i tend to think of them as vocab as well #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 12:21:10 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe @Shaunwilden mentioned overload - how much is too much? #eltchat @Marisa_C Ooops #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
26 November 2014 12:21:47 PM |
@HadaLitim @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C Lists of isolated phrases not helpful. #eltchat |
cherrymp |
26 November 2014 12:22:07 PM |
For non-native speakers learning PV is a real challenge because there are not many instances where they hear them used naturally #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
26 November 2014 12:22:13 PM |
Do we introduce their grammar to all learners or only to more advanced ones? #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 12:22:17 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C -> yep! Or isolated anything #eltchat )) |
MarjorieRosenbe |
26 November 2014 12:22:33 PM |
@HadaLitim @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C Ture. #eltchat |
AndressaWren |
26 November 2014 12:22:53 PM |
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MarjorieRosenbe |
26 November 2014 12:23:48 PM |
I tend to teach them as word chunks rather than grammar, grammar is mostly adding -ing or object, break them up, etc. #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
26 November 2014 12:23:57 PM |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: I tend to teach them as word chunks rather than grammar, grammar is mostly adding -ing or object, break them up, etc. … |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 12:24:35 PM |
@angelos_bollas ' About the only thing grammars agree on is that phrasal verbs consist of more than one part' AZ of ELT #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
26 November 2014 12:24:45 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe Good idea as chunks but issue of separability or non-separability needs to be addressed #eltchat |
cherrymp |
26 November 2014 12:25:08 PM |
Most often what is tested in PV in CRs is the vocabulary side of it rather than the grammar. #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
26 November 2014 12:25:11 PM |
@HadaLitim @angelos_bollas Thanks Hada, that was what I thought. #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
26 November 2014 12:25:22 PM |
@cherrymp Should we do sth about it, then? e.g. provide input that exposes them to natural use of PV? #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 12:25:25 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe The tough part abt their grammar is the separable or not part which only comes up in higher levels #eltchat |
NikkiFortova |
26 November 2014 12:25:32 PM |
Hi all, just getting up to speed on the topic :-) how about helping learners with the particle rather than delixicalized verb? #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
26 November 2014 12:25:40 PM |
@cherrymp unless Ss are asked to transform in an exam using a PV #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 12:26:03 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe @angelos_bollas Interesting blog post by Thornbury here http://t.co/gNtRIAeyY6 #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
26 November 2014 12:26:19 PM |
RT @HadaLitim: @MarjorieRosenbe @angelos_bollas Interesting blog post by Thornbury here http://t.co/gNtRIAeyY6 #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
26 November 2014 12:26:46 PM |
@NikkiFortova lol interesting spilling :-D #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 12:26:51 PM |
@NikkiFortova Hi nIkki! Yes, we mostly agree that they're more to do with vocab than grammar #eltchat |
cherrymp |
26 November 2014 12:27:23 PM |
@Marisa_C True. But mostly it is the vocabulary side that I remember from school tests. #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 12:27:36 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe @angelos_bollas Same here, but I had to read it up to make sure #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
26 November 2014 12:27:41 PM |
One cause of difficulty for the learners might be that PV might not exist in their L1. Diff for them to get the concept. #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
26 November 2014 12:27:51 PM |
@cherrymp But they need to know how they are used. 'turn s o. down' or 'turn down s.o', or 's.th. blows over, etc.#eltchat |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 12:28:14 PM |
@angelos_bollas Yes, but we must be careful when labeling them as idiomatic #eltchat |
cherrymp |
26 November 2014 12:28:31 PM |
@angelos_bollas Yes. Especially in a country like India where English is around Ts can easily find real life examples. #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
26 November 2014 12:28:34 PM |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @cherrymp But they need to know how they are used. 'turn s o. down' or 'turn down s.o', or 's.th. blows over, etc.#el… |
Shaunwilden |
26 November 2014 12:28:55 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @NikkiFortova welcome - great to have u here <3 hashtag ladies #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
26 November 2014 12:28:59 PM |
@NikkiFortova @Marisa_C Me too. Correcting papers and tweeting. #eltchat |
cherrymp |
26 November 2014 12:29:04 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe Yes, they should. But often it is the meaning part of it that gets highlighted is what I meant. #eltchat |
danilorpo |
26 November 2014 12:29:04 PM |
I usually teach PV as chunks. I think it is difficult to teach them as Grammar because there are different ways to use the same PV #ELTchat |
angelos_bollas |
26 November 2014 12:29:11 PM |
@cherrymp the web offers lots of useable material. #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
26 November 2014 12:29:12 PM |
RT @danilorpo: I usually teach PV as chunks. I think it is difficult to teach them as Grammar because there are different ways to use the s… |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 12:29:17 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe @cherrymp - yes, that's what comes up as tricky with my Ss, separable or not #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
26 November 2014 12:29:37 PM |
RT @HadaLitim: @angelos_bollas Yes, but we must be careful when labeling them as idiomatic #eltchat> some of them are, aren’t they? |
MarjorieRosenbe |
26 November 2014 12:29:50 PM |
@cherrymp Of course, that too. But the chunks help get the correct usage across. #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
26 November 2014 12:30:14 PM |
@angelos_bollas PVs a frequent essay topic here - @Shaunwilden u must have marked ur fair share :--) #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
26 November 2014 12:30:19 PM |
RT @HadaLitim: @MarjorieRosenbe @cherrymp - yes, that's what comes up as tricky with my Ss, separable or not #eltchat>same here. |
NikkiFortova |
26 November 2014 12:30:28 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe I’m trying to walk to work and follow the chat. Don’t walk and tweet - not good for your health :-) #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 12:30:28 PM |
@angelos_bollas Yes, but not all #eltchat - some can actually be translated ie sit down #eltchat |
cherrymp |
26 November 2014 12:30:32 PM |
@angelos_bollas Yes. But access to the Internet is not that uniform everywhere. So in my local context print media are preferred. #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
26 November 2014 12:30:51 PM |
@angelos_bollas @HadaLitim @cherrymp For mine too although meaning is also a problem. #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 12:31:00 PM |
@NikkiFortova @MarjorieRosenbe Mind the lamp posts! #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
26 November 2014 12:31:13 PM |
Let's talk about some useful classroom activities - any ideas to share? #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
26 November 2014 12:31:24 PM |
@NikkiFortova Have done that many times - glad to be at home today for a change. #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
26 November 2014 12:31:30 PM |
RT @cherrymp: Yes. But access to the Internet is not that uniform everywhere. in my local context print media are preferred. #eltchat>true! |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 12:31:57 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe @angelos_bollas @cherrymp Oh yes, and a good job that can be looked up quite easily I think #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
26 November 2014 12:32:06 PM |
RT @HadaLitim: @angelos_bollas Yes, but not all #eltchat - some can actually be translated ie sit down #eltchat>yes! |
cherrymp |
26 November 2014 12:32:37 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Let's talk about some useful classroom activities - any ideas to share? #eltchat > Agree |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 12:32:45 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Let's talk about some useful classroom activities - any ideas to share? #eltchat |
NikkiFortova |
26 November 2014 12:33:09 PM |
@Marisa_C lovely to be here - interesting topic. I was asked whether phrasal verbs are worth teaching with ELF - I say yes! #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
26 November 2014 12:33:35 PM |
Matching them to their equivalents on paper or cards - then using them to complete texts in different registers. #eltchat |
danilorpo |
26 November 2014 12:33:49 PM |
For instance, we could teach phrasal verbs with look: look for, look into, look up, look forward to, etc. #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
26 November 2014 12:33:50 PM |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: Matching them to their equivalents on paper or cards - then using them to complete texts in different registers. #eltc… |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 12:33:57 PM |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: Matching them to their equivalents on paper or cards - then using them to complete texts in different registers. #eltc… |
angelos_bollas |
26 November 2014 12:34:22 PM |
Turning a very formal letter into a very informal one with as many PVs as possible #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
26 November 2014 12:34:24 PM |
finding the phrasal verbs in letters/emails and their equivalents in other emails. #eltchat |
muranava |
26 November 2014 12:34:27 PM |
#eltchat hi all this has some good advice http://t.co/9ykAP5V20o as well as a great corpus search tool http://t.co/1kkT05kK0Z |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 12:34:37 PM |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: finding the phrasal verbs in letters/emails and their equivalents in other emails. #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
26 November 2014 12:34:48 PM |
RT @muranava: #eltchat hi all this has some good advice http://t.co/9ykAP5V20o as well as a great corpus search tool http://t.co/1kkT05kK0Z |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 12:34:49 PM |
RT @muranava: #eltchat hi all this has some good advice http://t.co/9ykAP5V20o as well as a great corpus search tool http://t.co/1kkT05kK0Z |
jankenb2 |
26 November 2014 12:34:52 PM |
Jenny here from Warsaw, hi. PV are important because they are language chunks & language must reach a level of automaticity. #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 12:35:06 PM |
@muranava Hi and thank Mura #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
26 November 2014 12:35:22 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Phrasal verbs Bingo? e.g. a board for PUT and various particles in the grid or various vbs that go with OFF #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
26 November 2014 12:35:31 PM |
@jankenb2 true but like other lexis frequency should play a part #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 12:35:31 PM |
@jankenb2 Hi Jenny, thanks for joining us! #eltchat |
cherrymp |
26 November 2014 12:35:36 PM |
Teaching PV based on themes (e.g. travel) could be helpful. #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 12:35:49 PM |
RT @angelos_bollas: RT @Marisa_C: Phrasal verbs Bingo? e.g. a board for PUT and various particles in the grid or various vbs that go with O… |
MarjorieRosenbe |
26 November 2014 12:36:06 PM |
@angelos_bollas @Marisa_C Great idea! #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
26 November 2014 12:36:17 PM |
@angelos_bollas Gd idea - not enough attention paid to diff tenor - PVs part of everyday spoken lang - lexical equivakents fml #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
26 November 2014 12:36:34 PM |
RT @cherrymp: Teaching PV based on themes (e.g. travel) could be helpful. #eltchat |
jankenb2 |
26 November 2014 12:36:36 PM |
PV can also be tied to metaphorical thinking which is import too. 4 ex when we say improve, we mean up, It's a visual response. #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 12:36:49 PM |
RT @angelos_bollas: Turning a very formal letter into a very informal one with as many PVs as possible #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 12:36:55 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @angelos_bollas Gd idea - not enough attention paid to diff tenor - PVs part of everyday spoken lang - lexical equivakents fm… |
MarjorieRosenbe |
26 November 2014 12:37:00 PM |
@jankenb2 Hi Jenny, agree - definitely a reason to teach them. #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
26 November 2014 12:37:05 PM |
@Marisa_C @angelos_bollas ooo look at the DELTA tutor throwing words like tenor :-) #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
26 November 2014 12:37:28 PM |
@Shaunwilden lol :-) u caught me #eltchat |
NikkiFortova |
26 November 2014 12:37:29 PM |
RT @cherrymp: Teaching PV based on themes (e.g. travel) could be helpful. #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
26 November 2014 12:38:16 PM |
As a SS, I found it confusing when I had to learn them grouped with lexical verb. #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 12:38:22 PM |
Teaching a set based on a theme and asking students to try and use it in a role play. Eg interview fill in, look up, write up, .. #eltchat |
cherrymp |
26 November 2014 12:38:30 PM |
RT @jankenb2: Jenny here from Warsaw, hi. PV are important because they are language chunks & language must reach a level of automaticity. … |
jankenb2 |
26 November 2014 12:38:37 PM |
#eltchat Is there a frequency table of PV for academic Eng or conver. Eng. etc? It would be good to use as a guide. Much like the Dolch 100. |
Shaunwilden |
26 November 2014 12:38:54 PM |
RT @jankenb2: #eltchat Is there a frequency table of PV for academic Eng or conver. Eng. etc? It would be good to use as a guide. Much like… |
danilorpo |
26 November 2014 12:38:59 PM |
@Marisa_C write a verb in a card and give students pieces of paper with different prepositions. Ask them to form sentences #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
26 November 2014 12:39:04 PM |
RT @HadaLitim: Teaching a set based on a theme and asking students to try and use it in a role play. #eltchat> sounds good! :) |
NikkiFortova |
26 November 2014 12:39:21 PM |
Try to help learners with the frequent meaning of particles - “on” often expressing continuation, for example. #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
26 November 2014 12:39:27 PM |
One of my trainees did a great lesson using suggestopedia -- Ss had to memorize a whole text full of PVs #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
26 November 2014 12:39:41 PM |
I like Pvs. I usually start from the point of the participle #eltchat Ps Hello everyone |
Marisa_C |
26 November 2014 12:39:41 PM |
RT @NikkiFortova: Try to help learners with the frequent meaning of particles - “on” often expressing continuation, for example. #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
26 November 2014 12:40:16 PM |
@angelos_bollas @Marisa_C Not sure if that was the distinction as I think he had 'phrasal verbs' like 'turn off'. #eltchat |
cherrymp |
26 November 2014 12:40:23 PM |
@danilorpo That will be challenging for basic learners. @Marisa_C #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
26 November 2014 12:40:24 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: One of my trainees did a great lesson using suggestopedia -- Ss had to memorize a whole text full of PVs #eltchat> video/post? |
Shaunwilden |
26 November 2014 12:40:28 PM |
@Marisa_C Dont often hear the words ‘great’ and suggestopedia’ together - sounds really interesting #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 12:40:29 PM |
Listening to an authentic podcast and lifting the PVs. Looking up their meaning and then recycling them #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
26 November 2014 12:40:34 PM |
@SueAnnan Hya! great to see u #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 12:41:10 PM |
@SueAnnan Hi Sue! #eltchat |
jankenb2 |
26 November 2014 12:41:11 PM |
#eltchat Here is a quick search of PV https://t.co/23pAduVvGn I may use this as part of my course webpage & build Ss interactivity w/tools |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 12:41:19 PM |
RT @jankenb2: #eltchat Here is a quick search of PV https://t.co/23pAduVvGn I may use this as part of my course webpage & build Ss interac… |
cherrymp |
26 November 2014 12:41:20 PM |
@Marisa_C What made it great? #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
26 November 2014 12:41:23 PM |
@Shaunwilden was actually v effective - we later used the technique with some BE students very successfully #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
26 November 2014 12:41:33 PM |
@Marisa_C @HadaLitim i think that makes it more complicated. Used a worksheet yesterday that had 'bottle up' as phrasal verb. #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
26 November 2014 12:41:58 PM |
There are quite a few apps that deal with PV for example http://t.co/e5CEwPffyK #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 12:42:10 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: There are quite a few apps that deal with PV for example http://t.co/e5CEwPffyK #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
26 November 2014 12:42:12 PM |
@cherrymp Ss learnt PVs in context of a mystery story - they then had to use them in order to solve mystery - lots of encounters #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
26 November 2014 12:42:20 PM |
@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C Used to love teaching with suggestopiedia and had loads of great lessons. #eltchat Blogged about it too. |
Shaunwilden |
26 November 2014 12:42:26 PM |
@Marisa_C Is there a plan or a video or the lesson? #eltchat |
cherrymp |
26 November 2014 12:42:49 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: There are quite a few apps that deal with PV for example http://t.co/dQXP0Vrz5a #eltchat #eltindia |
Marisa_C |
26 November 2014 12:42:59 PM |
@Shaunwilden There is a plan - yes - will ask cand if I can upload - think will be OK #eltchat |
jankenb2 |
26 November 2014 12:43:06 PM |
#eltchat unless the Ss can generate the PV in a novelutterance then there is no functional value. So be make novel utterance the end goal |
SueAnnan |
26 November 2014 12:43:17 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C Is there a plan or a video or the lesson? #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
26 November 2014 12:43:19 PM |
@Marisa_C Thanks would be interesting to see #eltchat |
cherrymp |
26 November 2014 12:43:24 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe Can you share the link to those blog posts? Love to read. @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 12:43:50 PM |
@Marisa_C @Shaunwilden Would love to see that too #eltchat |
NikkiFortova |
26 November 2014 12:44:00 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @cherrymp Ss learnt PVs in context of a mystery story - they then had to use them in order to solve mystery - lots of encoun… |
cherrymp |
26 November 2014 12:44:18 PM |
@Marisa_C Interesting. If you could upload it and let us know would love to have a look. #eltchat |
NikkiFortova |
26 November 2014 12:44:20 PM |
@Marisa_C lovely idea. #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
26 November 2014 12:44:24 PM |
@cherrymp @MarjorieRosenbe @Shaunwilden when later "tested" Ss could remember all the PVs in stories #eltchat and use properly |
jankenb2 |
26 November 2014 12:44:42 PM |
A great intermediate test for PV is creating an error laden page with X% of correct/incorrect & put into teams to find & solve. #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 12:45:02 PM |
RT @jankenb2: A great intermediate test for PV is creating an error laden page with X% of correct/incorrect & put into teams to find & solv… |
cherrymp |
26 November 2014 12:45:07 PM |
@Marisa_C That's interesting and makes me all the more eager to see it. @MarjorieRosenbe @Shaunwilden #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
26 November 2014 12:45:22 PM |
RT @cherrymp: @Marisa_C That's interesting and makes me all the more eager to see it. @MarjorieRosenbe @Shaunwilden #eltchat>same here |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 12:45:24 PM |
@jankenb2 That's a great idea - I can see how effective that would be #eltchat |
cherrymp |
26 November 2014 12:46:12 PM |
@jankenb2 Error spotting would be interesting for students. Consciousness raising activity. Plus the team spirit. #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
26 November 2014 12:46:56 PM |
@jankenb2 That’s a good one, yes. #eltchat |
cherrymp |
26 November 2014 12:47:13 PM |
@NikkiFortova I think what probably would have hooked them is the 'mystery' element. @Marisa_C #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
26 November 2014 12:47:27 PM |
A lesson about visualisation techniques (story making with irrelevant words - then asking Ss to use same for list of PVs #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
26 November 2014 12:47:38 PM |
So do you consider them vocab or grammar points? #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 12:48:07 PM |
@SueAnnan We seem to mostly agree on vocab #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
26 November 2014 12:48:11 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: So do you consider them vocab or grammar points? #eltchat look earlier in the transcript we discussed that :-) |
Marisa_C |
26 November 2014 12:48:35 PM |
Lesson based on a listening with Paul Daniels #Eltchat |
jankenb2 |
26 November 2014 12:48:42 PM |
#eltchat Would you consider pairing Eng PV with L1 cognates? Is that possible? & would that be beneficial as compare/contrast schema dev? |
SueAnnan |
26 November 2014 12:49:02 PM |
@HadaLitim thanks #eltchat haven't got time to scroll back at the mo |
Marisa_C |
26 November 2014 12:49:13 PM |
@jankenb2 not all languages have PV equivalents - #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
26 November 2014 12:49:15 PM |
@Marisa_C reminds a story activity from implementing the lexical approach where you have to get as many into a story as possible #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
26 November 2014 12:49:17 PM |
@jankenb2 But not all lang. have PVs #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
26 November 2014 12:49:52 PM |
@Shaunwilden exactly - same principle #eltchat - Daniels famous for memorizing huge amounts of words in shows |
MarjorieRosenbe |
26 November 2014 12:49:57 PM |
@angelos_bollas Isn't 'off' a preposition? Not sure. What about 'turn on'? #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
26 November 2014 12:50:31 PM |
@angelos_bollas But I think for students the labelling is less important than using them correctly. #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
26 November 2014 12:50:39 PM |
@cherrymp @NikkiFortova True - so context must be engaging and drive Ss to further production naturally #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
26 November 2014 12:51:03 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe doesn't it depends on the meaning? #eltchat |
jankenb2 |
26 November 2014 12:51:08 PM |
#eltchat another fun activity would be to have a secret PV for the day & give a reward/candy to the Ss when uttered spontaneously in disc. |
cherrymp |
26 November 2014 12:51:12 PM |
Sorry to leave #eltchat 10 min before time. Interesting discussion. |
Shaunwilden |
26 November 2014 12:51:19 PM |
RT @jankenb2: #eltchat another fun activity would be to have a secret PV for the day & give a reward/candy to the Ss when uttered spontaneo… |
Marisa_C |
26 November 2014 12:51:34 PM |
RT @jankenb2: #eltchat another fun activity would be to have a secret PV for the day & give a reward/candy to the Ss when uttered spontaneo… |
Marisa_C |
26 November 2014 12:51:52 PM |
@jankenb2 nice one #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 12:51:59 PM |
@Marisa_C @cherrymp @NikkiFortova Yes and also realise that they're most common in Eng so using them makes thm sound more natural #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
26 November 2014 12:52:13 PM |
RT @HadaLitim: @Marisa_C @cherrymp @NikkiFortova Yes and also realise that they're most common in Eng so using them makes thm sound more na… |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 12:52:33 PM |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @angelos_bollas But I think for students the labelling is less important than using them correctly. #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
26 November 2014 12:52:57 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe Some awareness though may help some of them categorise/store them in some way #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 12:53:00 PM |
@cherrymp Thanks for joining us! #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
26 November 2014 12:53:09 PM |
Sorry. That was short and sweet. Gotta go and prepare next lesson#eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
26 November 2014 12:53:22 PM |
@angelos_bollas Sue, you are right. 'off' can be either - just checked CALD. #eltchat, Another reason I don't label. |
angelos_bollas |
26 November 2014 12:53:24 PM |
RT @HadaLitim: Yes and also realise that they're most common in Eng so using them makes thm sound more natural #eltchat>good motive for them |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 12:53:27 PM |
@SueAnnan Have a good one Sue #eltchat |
jankenb2 |
26 November 2014 12:53:46 PM |
#eltchat Using a mind map to draw out the L1 and L2 understandings of the PV would work well. In the center the PV, then netnodes are L1/L2 |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 12:54:02 PM |
@angelos_bollas good motive for them -> yes #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
26 November 2014 12:54:04 PM |
@SueAnnan Bye Sue. See you next time! #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
26 November 2014 12:54:22 PM |
@angelos_bollas True, although I think it may depend on level (and dare I say it, learning style?). #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
26 November 2014 12:54:46 PM |
@SueAnnan Bye Sue. Talk soon. #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
26 November 2014 12:54:48 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe Agree for both. #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
26 November 2014 12:55:44 PM |
Don’t forget this #eltchat will need to be written up |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 12:55:58 PM |
@jankenb2 yes, I usually only do it with L2 but adding L1 could enhance the learning #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 12:56:02 PM |
RT @jankenb2: #eltchat Using a mind map to draw out the L1 and L2 understandings of the PV would work well. In the center the PV, then netn… |
Shaunwilden |
26 November 2014 12:56:19 PM |
Is someone going to come forward, jump in and take the summary on? #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
26 November 2014 12:56:56 PM |
One last thingie - do you work at all with the pronunciation of PVs - e.g. where does the stress go? #eltchat |
jankenb2 |
26 November 2014 12:57:05 PM |
See you later. Thanks for the convo and learning. #eltchat always adds up to something. PV assessment ;-) |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 12:57:42 PM |
@jankenb2 Thanks Jenny - chat again soon #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
26 November 2014 12:57:54 PM |
@danilorpo I think it can work with any level and with any lexis - depends on difficulty of text #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
26 November 2014 12:58:25 PM |
@Shaunwilden Still catching up from BESIG. Maybe next time. #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
26 November 2014 12:58:37 PM |
@jankenb2 well done u used your daily quota of PVs for this #ELTchat - see u soon |
angelos_bollas |
26 November 2014 12:59:00 PM |
@Marisa_C yes. In some cases stress shift turns the PV into a noun, right? #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
26 November 2014 12:59:13 PM |
Anyone keen to do the summary of this great #ELTchat? |
Shaunwilden |
26 November 2014 12:59:20 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Anyone keen to do the summary of this great #ELTchat? |
Marisa_C |
26 November 2014 12:59:51 PM |
@angelos_bollas example? brain stopped #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
26 November 2014 1:01:08 PM |
@Marisa_C turnoff vs turn off is what I had in mind #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
26 November 2014 1:01:12 PM |
Thanks everyone, have to get back to preparing classes. #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
26 November 2014 1:01:48 PM |
@angelos_bollas @Marisa_C Very true, hadn't thought of that. #eltchat |
danilorpo |
26 November 2014 1:01:51 PM |
@jankenb2 Great idea! I'm going to use this secret activity :) #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 1:02:06 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe Thanks Marjorie and see you around ;) #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
26 November 2014 1:02:08 PM |
@angelos_bollas ok Jose! never had that happen as syntax wd be different but yes possible #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
26 November 2014 1:02:16 PM |
Next week it’s the evening #eltchat slot dont forget you can suggest topics already |
MarjorieRosenbe |
26 November 2014 1:02:24 PM |
@ELTchat Tried today - not sure where mine landed. #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 1:02:27 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: Next week it’s the evening #eltchat slot dont forget you can suggest topics already |
Shaunwilden |
26 November 2014 1:02:58 PM |
RT @cherrymp: Listen to all the six @edtechconcerns podcasts here: http://t.co/1NueUUV8OQ #eltindia #edtech #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 1:03:06 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe @ELTchat That's funny Marjorie, it made me chuckled...#eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
26 November 2014 1:03:08 PM |
@Shaunwilden Can you see if mine is there? #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
26 November 2014 1:03:19 PM |
And don't be afraid to suggest language areas to discuss - this one was a nice idea #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
26 November 2014 1:03:26 PM |
@Marisa_C I can do summary but after M1 exam. #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
26 November 2014 1:03:40 PM |
@HadaLitim @ELTchat Which one? #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 1:03:56 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe @Shaunwilden Yes it is :) #eltchat On PD, right? |
Marisa_C |
26 November 2014 1:04:05 PM |
@angelos_bollas Sold! #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
26 November 2014 1:04:22 PM |
@HadaLitim @Shaunwilden Yes, that's it. #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 1:04:32 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe @ELTchat the 'where it landed' part #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
26 November 2014 1:04:46 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe It's there but this not the new post yet - will add it myself when up #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 1:04:57 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe @Shaunwilden Then, it's there #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
26 November 2014 1:05:16 PM |
@HadaLitim @ELTchat The internet is still a mystery to me and cyberspace is part of that mystery. #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
26 November 2014 1:05:24 PM |
See you next week! #eltchat Enjoy the rest of the day! |
MarjorieRosenbe |
26 November 2014 1:05:45 PM |
@Marisa_C Thanks. :-) Guess I jumped the gun. #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
26 November 2014 1:05:56 PM |
@angelos_bollas doing the summary so @HadaLitim or @SueAnnan if posting transcript let him know pls? #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 1:06:00 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe @ELTchat You and me both - it's neither land nor space and that's the mystery to me. Where is it all? #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
26 November 2014 1:06:09 PM |
Have a good week all. #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
26 November 2014 1:06:24 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe better jump the gun than have us chasing for topics :-D #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 1:06:27 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe Thanks and you too #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 1:06:51 PM |
@Marisa_C @angelos_bollas @SueAnnan Ok Marisa #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
26 November 2014 1:07:14 PM |
Well - time to get back to teaching, marking, training, writing - whatever you are involved in have a great time till next week #eltchat |
HadaLitim |
26 November 2014 1:07:16 PM |
Bye everyone, chat again soon #eltchat |
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