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| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:01:53 |
Time to start, who's around and which country are you in? #eltchat |
| GemL1 |
2014-11-12T12:03:45 |
@HadaLitim Hi, I'm here for #eltchat in England. |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:04:29 |
@GemL1 Hi Gemma, I'm in Jeddah Saudi! #ELTchat |
| jankenb2 |
2014-11-12T12:04:42 |
Jenny from Warsaw. Hello #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-11-12T12:04:45 |
@HadaLitim me, Uk :-) #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:04:48 |
@patrickelt Hi Patrick pls don't forget the hashtag #eltchat. |
| StudyBundles |
2014-11-12T12:05:09 |
@HadaLitim Hi Hada and all! Here for #ELTchat in England, also spent a couple of years teaching in Thailand |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:05:14 |
@jankenb2 Hi Jenny! Great, Warsaw represented ;) #ELTchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:05:38 |
@StudyBundles Hi Daniel! That'll be interesting to hear about #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-11-12T12:05:46 |
Hey all on #ELTchat signing in from Athens, Greece |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:06:15 |
@Marisa_C Hey Marisa! #ELTchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:06:33 |
@Shaunwilden UK in the house ;) #ELTchat |
| BobK99 |
2014-11-12T12:06:38 |
RT @BobK99: @HadaLitim Bob from Reading UK, orig. London#eltchat |
| patrickelt |
2014-11-12T12:06:44 |
@HadaLitim Thanks for the reminder #eltchat. |
| Marisa_C |
2014-11-12T12:07:11 |
@HadaLitim @Shaunwilden and myself moderating this #ELTchat - if you are new, ask us for help :-) |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-11-12T12:07:16 |
@HadaLitim though for the purposes of this #ELTchat probably better to draw on my years living abroad :-) |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:07:20 |
RT @Marisa_C: @HadaLitim @Shaunwilden and myself moderating this #ELTchat - if you are new, ask us for help :-) |
| GemL1 |
2014-11-12T12:07:50 |
@BobK99 hi Bob, I'm also in Reading! #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:07:52 |
@Shaunwilden Absolutely! ;) #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:08:48 |
@Marisa_C @GemL1 I used to attend some of the art exhibitions there #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-11-12T12:09:17 |
So where can a T go to for jobs? Any tips or good sites to visit? #ELTchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:10:21 |
@Marisa_C http://t.co/7fAsB4UAId was one of the 1st sites I signed up to years ago. Their weekly digest is always quite meaty ;) #ELTchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:10:29 |
RT @Marisa_C: So where can a T go to for jobs? Any tips or good sites to visit? #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2014-11-12T12:11:49 |
Good afternoon #ELTchat.. I'm in the middle of an online interview. Hope I can make it a little later. |
| BobK99 |
2014-11-12T12:11:52 |
I'll be lurking mostly in #eltchat today: my globe-trotting days are over.( A chap can dream though :-)) |
| patrickelt |
2014-11-12T12:11:56 |
@Marisa_C When I worked abroad, I worked for British Council or in Counciil recruited posts #eltchat. |
| Marisa_C |
2014-11-12T12:12:08 |
Also visit the websites of large organisations like the BC, IH, EF ? #ELTchat They usully have a vancancies page |
| patrickelt |
2014-11-12T12:12:13 |
@Marisa_C ..except for first job through VSO #eltchat. |
| GemL1 |
2014-11-12T12:12:31 |
@Marisa_C for uni jobs - http://t.co/KiUJxC9Imo or http://t.co/1whteB5TX4 are good and have worldwide jobs not just UK #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-11-12T12:12:38 |
@Marisa_C Yeah we have a recruitment section oh the IHworld website #ELTchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:12:38 |
@Marisa_C Yes I did and still do too #ELTchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:12:46 |
RT @GemL1: @Marisa_C for uni jobs - http://t.co/KiUJxC9Imo or http://t.co/1whteB5TX4 are good and have worldwide jobs not just UK #eltchat |
| ELTwriter |
2014-11-12T12:12:53 |
@Marisa_C http://t.co/7exzSuapTH with TEFL in search for Uni jobs is good #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-11-12T12:12:57 |
@patrickelt For some Ts a VSO is a good start to get experience #ELTchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:13:47 |
@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C I'm a regular visitor. Still hoping they advertise for online teachers/trainers #eltchat..some day perhaps |
| ELTwriter |
2014-11-12T12:13:50 |
@BobK99 where have you taught? #eltchat And .. how did you find the jobs? |
| patrickelt |
2014-11-12T12:14:01 |
@Marisa_C Yes and they provide very good support #eltchat. |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-11-12T12:14:20 |
@GemL1 @Marisa_C the guardian newspaper website is always a good place to check out #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:15:12 |
@Shaunwilden @GemL1 @Marisa_C When I was in the UK I always used to but online I never think to. Do they post jobs online too #ELTchat |
| GemL1 |
2014-11-12T12:15:14 |
@Marisa_C for China and Korea, this site has quite a lot of jobs http://t.co/ltAtIxeyB3 #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:15:21 |
RT @GemL1: @Marisa_C for China and Korea, this site has quite a lot of jobs http://t.co/ltAtIxeyB3 #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:16:07 |
RT @Marisa_C: @patrickelt For some Ts a VSO is a good start to get experience #ELTchat |
| StudyBundles |
2014-11-12T12:16:08 |
@Shaunwilden @GemL1 @Marisa_C agreed, some good stories/resources/reflections on TEFL in the @GuardianEdu too #ELTchat |
| jankenb2 |
2014-11-12T12:16:37 |
@ELTwriter @BobK99 I've taught Academic Engl in Kz, Turkey, Lth & Poland I am a "trailing spouse" & find a job once I am in country #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2014-11-12T12:16:45 |
I like Quinsworldoftefl for job hunting #ELTchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:16:55 |
RT @SueAnnan: I like Quinsworldoftefl for job hunting #ELTchat |
| ELTwriter |
2014-11-12T12:17:19 |
big challenge is culture shock and it's various stages http://t.co/BU6LFnIDB9 - need to invest in local culture 2 avoid #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-11-12T12:17:26 |
Are these jobs open to both NEST's and NNEST's? Many new NNEST's think not #ELTchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:17:28 |
@SueAnnan Hiii Sue! #ELTchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:17:36 |
RT @Marisa_C: Are these jobs open to both NEST's and NNEST's? Many new NNEST's think not #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2014-11-12T12:17:48 |
http://t.co/2ZZJ9AUstJ always looking for teachers. Destinations include NY, London, China, Russia, LA, etc #ELTchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:17:53 |
@GemL1 Good to know #ELTchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:17:59 |
RT @angelos_bollas: http://t.co/2ZZJ9AUstJ always looking for teachers. Destinations include NY, London, China, Russia, LA, etc #ELTchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:18:10 |
RT @ELTwriter: big challenge is culture shock and it's various stages http://t.co/BU6LFnIDB9 - need to invest in local culture 2 avoid #elt… |
| MarekKiczkowiak |
2014-11-12T12:18:13 |
@Marisa_C usually http://t.co/qeOrb1f44I. But if I want to go to a specific country/city, I'll write directly to schools there #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2014-11-12T12:18:25 |
@HadaLitim hi. Thought I wasn't going to make it #ELTchat |
| ELTwriter |
2014-11-12T12:18:32 |
@jankenb2 @BobK99 does that mean you earn less if hired locally IYO? #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:18:48 |
@MarekKiczkowiak @Marisa_C Hi welcome Marek! Great you could make it #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-11-12T12:18:51 |
@SueAnnan great to see you #ELTchat :-) |
| patrickelt |
2014-11-12T12:19:03 |
@Marisa_C Long time ago but one of the VSO trainers when I worked for them was Dutch #eltchat. |
| SueAnnan |
2014-11-12T12:19:22 |
I did a course in March and half were nnests. All of them found jobs with no problem #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:19:25 |
@SueAnnan Glad you did, we haven't been on at the same time for a while now #ELTchat |
| StudyBundles |
2014-11-12T12:19:55 |
@MarekKiczkowiak @Marisa_C That sounds like a good idea Marek. Easy enough to research the best schools before hand too! #ELTchat |
| ELTwriter |
2014-11-12T12:20:12 |
I started in '93. Wrote letters to 100s of places to get jobs. Before the internet ... imagine! #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:20:17 |
@Marisa_C The BC where I work employs mostly NNESTs #ELTchat |
| BobK99 |
2014-11-12T12:20:24 |
@ELTwriter 2/2 #eltchat I was _offered_ a teaching job in Bilbao in 1971, but that was not as a result of any jobsearch. |
| MarekKiczkowiak |
2014-11-12T12:20:54 |
@GemL1 @Marisa_C they're very good. i've used tchem too #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-11-12T12:21:13 |
@HadaLitim But many local institutions specifically advertise for NEST's - should ppl STILL apply - experiences? #ELTchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:21:35 |
@StudyBundles @MarekKiczkowiak @Marisa_C Applying directly can sometimes help with contract negotiation and finding out more #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2014-11-12T12:21:41 |
Iatefl always has a job section at the annual conference #eltchat |
| GemL1 |
2014-11-12T12:21:41 |
@Marisa_C think most of the jobs in China and Korea advertise for NEST #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-11-12T12:21:45 |
@ELTwriter Aye I started looking in ’91, handwritten letters and all :-) #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-11-12T12:22:13 |
RT @GemL1: @Marisa_C think most of the jobs in China and Korea advertise for NEST #eltchat> True tho many of my NNEST trainees in jobs there |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:22:28 |
@Marisa_C It depends on the country I think. I've heard of ppl being terminated because Ss complained they wanted a NEST..sad #eltchat |
| MarekKiczkowiak |
2014-11-12T12:22:29 |
@SueAnnan that's great. perhaps things are slowly changing. still over 70% jobs on http://t.co/qeOrb1f44I in eu for nests only #ELTchat |
| ELTwriter |
2014-11-12T12:22:39 |
@HadaLitim @Marisa_C My advice to newbie TEFLers is be nice to your NNESTs - they will open door and your eyes to the country #eltchat |
| JamsNRoses |
2014-11-12T12:22:42 |
http://t.co/UGwHK1f08z What R U Reading? RT @profesortbaker #ASMSG #YA #Xmas #bookworm #IARTG #T4US #MSU #eltchat http://t.co/2wSMOOTCkP |
| jankenb2 |
2014-11-12T12:22:54 |
@ELTwriter @BobK99 No, I am hired w/o housing & health. Salary is = per hour or contract. #eltchat I miss out on transportation #eltchat |
| GemL1 |
2014-11-12T12:22:55 |
@MarekKiczkowiak @Marisa_C yes v.useful and you can sign up to weekly email updates #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-11-12T12:23:06 |
@HadaLitim truly sad - school should support their Ts #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2014-11-12T12:23:28 |
“@Marisa_C: think most of the jobs in China and Korea advertise for NEST #eltchat> True tho many of my NNEST trainees in jobs there” mine 2 |
| patrickelt |
2014-11-12T12:23:34 |
@Marisa_C @GemL1 Perhaps reflects massive demand. #eltchat. |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:23:39 |
@Marisa_C Absolutely, this wouldn't happen at the BC but local schools, very common #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-11-12T12:23:44 |
RT @ELTwriter: @HadaLitim @Marisa_C My advice to newbie TEFLers is be nice to your NNESTs - they will open door and your eyes to the countr… |
| Marisa_C |
2014-11-12T12:24:45 |
@HadaLitim Uninformed managerr/owners? #eltchat or just pandering to the customer? |
| patrickelt |
2014-11-12T12:24:53 |
@ELTwriter @HadaLitim @Marisa_C .... there can be NNESTs who are not from the country. Should still be nice to them :-) #eltchat. |
| GemL1 |
2014-11-12T12:24:58 |
@SueAnnan @Marisa_C that's good to hear, maybe things are changing then #eltchat |
| jankenb2 |
2014-11-12T12:24:59 |
What is NEST? #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2014-11-12T12:25:03 |
Our school has quite a few nnest and we are in an English speaking country. Has never been a problem for students #ELTchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:25:22 |
Do NNESTs suffer discrimination in their home countries too? #ELTchat |
| patrickelt |
2014-11-12T12:25:27 |
@ELTwriter @HadaLitim @Marisa_C ..eg I had a Greek colleague in Slovakia - lots to learn from her #eltchat. |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-11-12T12:25:29 |
@jankenb2 Native english speaker teacher #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-11-12T12:25:34 |
@jankenb2 Native English Speaking Teacher #ELTchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:25:46 |
@jankenb2 Native English Speaking teacher #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2014-11-12T12:25:46 |
“@jankenb2: What is NEST? #eltchat” native English speaker |
| MarekKiczkowiak |
2014-11-12T12:26:05 |
@StudyBundles @Marisa_C yes. this website is very useful for finding schools in specific locations http://t.co/Q06gPfIjlt #ELTchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:26:21 |
@jankenb2 Sorry Jenny just realised you probably wanted to define it in terms of what is Native? #ELTchat |
| GemL1 |
2014-11-12T12:26:33 |
@SueAnnan yes everywhere I've worked in the U.K has had NNESTs and has never been an issue for school or Ss #eltchat |
| patrickelt |
2014-11-12T12:26:51 |
@Marisa_C @HadaLitim Probably a bit of both. More enlightened students can see that they can learn as much or more from NNESTs #eltchat. |
| StudyBundles |
2014-11-12T12:26:58 |
@patrickelt @ELTwriter @HadaLitim @Marisa_CMy CELTA trainer in Mcr (12 years ago) is a NNEST, she's fantastic, still going strong:) #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-11-12T12:27:01 |
What should applicants for any posts be wary of? #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2014-11-12T12:27:34 |
RT @GemL1: @SueAnnan yes everywhere I've worked in the U.K has had NNESTs and has never been an issue for school or Ss #eltchat |
| jankenb2 |
2014-11-12T12:27:44 |
@HadaLitim I would guess proficient at highest academic level. We can't assume native is proficient. It's an unusual term of ref. #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:27:49 |
@Marisa_C the latter! It's a competitive money making business here #ELTchat |
| JohnRosePutnam |
2014-11-12T12:28:06 |
RT @JamsNRoses: http://t.co/UGwHK1f08z What R U Reading? RT @profesortbaker #ASMSG #YA #Xmas #bookworm #IARTG #T4US #MSU #eltchat http://t.… |
| SueAnnan |
2014-11-12T12:28:12 |
@Marisa_C jobs that sound too good to be true #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:28:45 |
@Marisa_C How many hours they're expected to teach and the timings #ELTchat |
| ELTwriter |
2014-11-12T12:29:10 |
yup 20 years teaching. 10 best teachers I saw were NNESTs. #eltchat but maybe that's for another discussion |
| jankenb2 |
2014-11-12T12:29:24 |
Also what criteria are used to pay faculty? Does TEFL trump uni degree in ling? or other cert programs? #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:29:26 |
RT @MarekKiczkowiak: @StudyBundles @Marisa_C yes. this website is very useful for finding schools in specific locations http://t.co/Q06gPfI… |
| gotanda |
2014-11-12T12:29:36 |
RT @HadaLitim: Just a couple of mins to go before we start our #ELTchat on "Teaching English in a country other than yours: opportunities &… |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-11-12T12:30:05 |
RT @Marisa_C: What should applicants for any posts be wary of? #ELTchat >> the length of a teaching hour |
| RCDesouches |
2014-11-12T12:30:28 |
#eltchat In Mexico, we can only hire Mexicans or foreigners from countries where English is the native language. |
| SueAnnan |
2014-11-12T12:30:38 |
@jankenb2 in my experience it seems that both are required , not one or other #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-11-12T12:30:50 |
RT @RCDesouches: #eltchat In Mexico, we can only hire Mexicans or foreigners from countries where English is the native language. |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:30:51 |
@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C Haha! Never thought of that! An hour is an hour but I can see how that might not be universal #ELTchat |
| patrickelt |
2014-11-12T12:30:57 |
@jankenb2 @HadaLitim Yes, a NNEST who has studied at pg level would usually have advantages over a NEST who has not esp for EAP.. #eltchat. |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:31:12 |
RT @patrickelt: @jankenb2 @HadaLitim Yes, a NNEST who has studied at pg level would usually have advantages over a NEST who has not esp for… |
| patrickelt |
2014-11-12T12:31:18 |
@jankenb2 @HadaLitim ...or for teaching reading and writing skills more generally #eltchat. |
| StudyBundles |
2014-11-12T12:31:43 |
@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C Possibility of unsociable hours (evenings, weekends etc.) #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-11-12T12:31:44 |
@HadaLitim @Marisa_C I’ve seen it range from 40 mins to 120 mins, important to know when sb says you have 30 hours a week #ELTchat |
| ELTwriter |
2014-11-12T12:31:47 |
@StudyBundles @patrickelt @HadaLitim yup 20 years teaching. 10 best teachers I saw were NNESTs. #eltchat but maybe that's for another day |
| SueAnnan |
2014-11-12T12:31:52 |
@HadaLitim @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C our hours are 45 minutes. Lol #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:31:54 |
@jankenb2 CELTA at the BC #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-11-12T12:32:11 |
@StudyBundles Weekends of course varying to the country / culture you’re going to #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-11-12T12:32:40 |
The other thing is the bad attitude of some NEST's who go in with the idea that their NN colleagues are somehow deficient #ELTchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:32:42 |
@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C 30 hours of 60 min hours alone sounds like a hefty load to me as it is. #ELTchat |
| patrickelt |
2014-11-12T12:33:05 |
@HadaLitim @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C but in many countries, "academic hour" seems to be 50 minutes #eltchat. |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:33:09 |
@Marisa_C Yes - colleagues and Ss sadly #ELTchat |
| gotanda |
2014-11-12T12:33:26 |
Tried to get NNESTs NJ in a new program in Japan. Almost impossible. Not school, but immigration etc. Chicken/Egg. Need ecosystem. #eltchat |
| ELTwriter |
2014-11-12T12:33:37 |
@Shaunwilden @HadaLitim @Marisa_C my CELTa trainer in '93 said NEVER take a job with more than 23.5 contact hours ... #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:33:48 |
@patrickelt @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C In'normal' schools or language schools? #ELTchat |
| DJohnWatson |
2014-11-12T12:33:52 |
RT @JamsNRoses: http://t.co/UGwHK1f08z What R U Reading? RT @profesortbaker #ASMSG #YA #Xmas #bookworm #IARTG #T4US #MSU #eltchat http://t.… |
| patrickelt |
2014-11-12T12:34:03 |
@Marisa_C Never seen these from peers but some managers have this attitude #eltchat. |
| StudyBundles |
2014-11-12T12:34:13 |
@HadaLitim @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C Very hefty! I've been there :) #ELTchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:34:25 |
@ELTwriter @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C WOuld agree with that. 24hr sounds like plenty and enough #eltchat |
| RCDesouches |
2014-11-12T12:34:30 |
#eltchat In my school, they pay 90 minutes for 80-minute classes. |
| gotanda |
2014-11-12T12:34:32 |
Third country NNESTs in Japan have a difficult path. I know a few, and seem to be growing. Something we really need here. #eltchat |
| patrickelt |
2014-11-12T12:34:39 |
@HadaLitim @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C Universities #eltchat. |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:34:53 |
@StudyBundles @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C I have too but on overtime #ELTchat |
| jankenb2 |
2014-11-12T12:34:54 |
@patrickelt @HadaLitim Knowing Eng is insufficient. Mst know the pedagogy of ESL, EAP or Bus Eng. Kids-Adult req differ approaches.#eltchat |
| StudyBundles |
2014-11-12T12:35:14 |
@ELTwriter @Shaunwilden @HadaLitim @Marisa_C Sounds like a good rule of thumb, although in England in my exp. many jobs want more #ELTchat |
| patrickelt |
2014-11-12T12:35:47 |
@jankenb2 @HadaLitim Agree #eltchat. |
| MarekKiczkowiak |
2014-11-12T12:35:52 |
@Shaunwilden @HadaLitim @Marisa_C Yes, definitely good to ask what the school means by 'an hour' #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-11-12T12:36:04 |
@ELTwriter @HadaLitim @Marisa_C 9.5 hours wow, now thats a job :-) #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:36:18 |
@ELTwriter @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C That sounds brilliant! Saudi BCs are on 24hrs and lots of PD too #eltchat |
| BobK99 |
2014-11-12T12:36:38 |
(Strike 3 w.o #eltchat!) @HadaLitim @Marisa_C Ridic - one of the mst promising people on my CELTA course (in the UK - mostly NES) was NNES |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:36:48 |
@Shaunwilden @ELTwriter @Marisa_C ...and a half! ;) #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-11-12T12:37:13 |
@ELTwriter @HadaLitim @Marisa_C Don’t forget the hashtag #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:37:14 |
RT @BobK99: (Strike 3 w.o #eltchat!) @HadaLitim @Marisa_C Ridic - one of the mst promising people on my CELTA course (in the UK - mostly N… |
| Marisa_C |
2014-11-12T12:37:18 |
@BobK99 Agree - some of my top trainees have been non-native :-) #ELTchat |
| patrickelt |
2014-11-12T12:37:50 |
@MarekKiczkowiak @Shaunwilden @HadaLitim @Marisa_C But 50 minute hour largely seems just to allow time to change classrooms #eltchat. |
| SueAnnan |
2014-11-12T12:37:58 |
“@Marisa_C: @BobK99 Agree - some of my top trainees have been non-native :-) #ELTchat” I agree totally |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-11-12T12:38:12 |
RT @SueAnnan: “@Marisa_C: @BobK99 Agree - some of my top trainees have been non-native :-) #ELTchat” I agree totally |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:38:18 |
@Marisa_C @BobK99 A lot of top authors and presenters are non natives #ELTchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:38:49 |
@patrickelt @MarekKiczkowiak @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C I agree, 50mins defo not enough unless double period #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-11-12T12:38:53 |
What about interview tips? Any good ones? #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2014-11-12T12:39:27 |
@patrickelt we always have a double session90 mins and then a break #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-11-12T12:40:10 |
@Marisa_C Read the schools website and a bit about the country) it used to shock me how many people didn’t when I interviewed them #ELTchat |
| ELTwriter |
2014-11-12T12:40:10 |
Anyway #eltchat IMO challenges are 1 understanding new learners in front of you 2 finding place to live 3 culture shock 4 new language |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:40:24 |
@Marisa_C Do you think some tips might differ based on whether ur a NEST or not? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-11-12T12:40:35 |
RT @ELTwriter: Anyway #eltchat IMO challenges are 1 understanding new learners in front of you 2 finding place to live 3 culture shock 4 … |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:40:55 |
RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C Read the schools website and a bit about the country) it used to shock me how many people didn’t when I intervie… |
| jankenb2 |
2014-11-12T12:41:09 |
@HadaLitim @Marisa_C @BobK99 Agree Much to be gained frm hving to lrn a lang & being aware of the process. I am an NN here! #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:41:20 |
@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C That sounds obvious but I agree, not to everyone #ELTchat |
| MarekKiczkowiak |
2014-11-12T12:41:22 |
@gotanda is it to do with visa restrictions or prejudice against nnests? #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-11-12T12:41:33 |
@HadaLitim ??? No... did I give that impression? #ELTchat |
| GemL1 |
2014-11-12T12:41:39 |
@Marisa_C think about reasons why you want to teach in that country (not money!) #eltchat |
| ELTwriter |
2014-11-12T12:41:45 |
@Marisa_C 1 google school/DOS 2 be on time 3 relax and admit when you don't know ... smiling. People skills make up for a lot #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:42:32 |
@Marisa_C Not at all!! But I thought of the context I'm in and thought maybe #ELTchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:42:48 |
RT @ELTwriter: @Marisa_C 1 google school/DOS 2 be on time 3 relax and admit when you don't know ... smiling. People skills make up for a … |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:43:14 |
@ELTwriter @Marisa_C People's skills a top one. They'll be transferred in the classroom #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2014-11-12T12:43:18 |
@Marisa_C don't lie about your experience, and smile #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-11-12T12:43:36 |
@HadaLitim I don't think so - a teacher is a teacher is a teacher - with good language skills, pedagogy and people skills :-) #ELTchat |
| GemL1 |
2014-11-12T12:43:42 |
@Marisa_C think of answers to a variety of scenarios - How would you deal with a student who... #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-11-12T12:43:53 |
RT @GemL1: @Marisa_C think of answers to a variety of scenarios - How would you deal with a student who... #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:44:44 |
@Marisa_C yes, but seriously, in Saudi Arabia, things are not always that simple. Some teachers have celebrity status lol #eltchat |
| ELTwriter |
2014-11-12T12:45:08 |
@HadaLitim @Marisa_C ture. and ... under-arm spray. Boy - it can be hot in some places. You can be great but DOS won't forget that #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-11-12T12:45:26 |
@HadaLitim true anywhere #eltchat |
| gotanda |
2014-11-12T12:45:27 |
@MarekKiczkowiak Both. Recent, school/admin wanted NNESTs (ELF CLIL etc) but so few around b/c of Ss + schools prejd & visas. #ELTchat 1/2 |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:45:37 |
@Marisa_C Be ready for a spontaneous demo if it's a f2f interview #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-11-12T12:45:50 |
RT @HadaLitim: @Marisa_C Be ready for a spontaneous demo if it's a f2f interview #ELTchat |
| NewbieCELTA |
2014-11-12T12:46:15 |
@ELTwriter @Shaunwilden @HadaLitim @Marisa_C #ELTchat never did, but did stack 20 onto 22! I often did 40+ contact time (gung ho, me) |
| NewbieCELTA |
2014-11-12T12:46:36 |
RT @ELTwriter: @Marisa_C 1 google school/DOS 2 be on time 3 relax and admit when you don't know ... smiling. People skills make up for a … |
| Marisa_C |
2014-11-12T12:46:37 |
@ELTwriter @HadaLitim lol good idea!!! #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-11-12T12:46:44 |
@HadaLitim @Marisa_C oo spontaneous seems unfair #eltchat |
| StudyBundles |
2014-11-12T12:46:48 |
@HadaLitim @Marisa_C have a good lesson which works in many differing situations up your sleeve just in case! #ELTchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:47:20 |
@ELTwriter @Marisa_C Lool! A change of shirt if that's the case #ELTchat |
| jankenb2 |
2014-11-12T12:47:21 |
#eltchat Knowing the purpose of the prog helps. EAP is not conversational Eng, but both are legitimate products/services. IOW know the job. |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:47:42 |
@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C Yup! A classic here #ELTchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:47:50 |
RT @StudyBundles: @HadaLitim @Marisa_C have a good lesson which works in many differing situations up your sleeve just in case! #ELTchat |
| gotanda |
2014-11-12T12:47:50 |
@MarekKiczkowiak Hard to hire from outside b/c visas so local pool of NJ/NNESTs small. Perceptions changing but few to hire. #ELTchat 2/2 |
| ELTwriter |
2014-11-12T12:48:03 |
@NewbieCELTA @Shaunwilden @HadaLitim @Marisa_C you sir are a contact-hour hero!!! Did it make you a better teacher? #eltchat |
| NewbieCELTA |
2014-11-12T12:48:29 |
@ELTwriter @HadaLitim @Marisa_C #ELTchat undershirts and kerchiefs/lil towels for swear in places like Thailand YES!!! Also, yr own markers |
| Marisa_C |
2014-11-12T12:48:34 |
I guess "be personable" is general good advice - had an example of sb interviewing for us in disco queen gear :-) #eltchat |
| BobK99 |
2014-11-12T12:48:37 |
@Marisa_C I hope you tell them - the one I mentioned had a HUGE inferiority complex. #ELTchat |
| jankenb2 |
2014-11-12T12:48:47 |
#eltchat also know if the program uses teacher made resources or expects a close adherance to set prog. What T latitude does the schl allow? |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:48:49 |
@ELTwriter @NewbieCELTA @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C Does the smile wear out as the day goes #ELTchat |
| StudyBundles |
2014-11-12T12:48:50 |
@HadaLitim @ELTwriter @Marisa_C Ha! Never considered that one before :) #ELTchat |
| ELTwriter |
2014-11-12T12:49:19 |
@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C vague answers to 1-holidays 2-coursebooks 3-class sizes ... hell - just vagueness #eltchat |
| MarekKiczkowiak |
2014-11-12T12:49:39 |
@gotanda would love to hear more about it for my campaign http://t.co/Lj7DELYkX2 any advice for a nnest applying in japan? #ELTchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:49:54 |
Being familiar with some classic course books can help too #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-11-12T12:50:27 |
@HadaLitim And not being too critical of them until you know if the school uses them or not :-) #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:50:30 |
RT @MarekKiczkowiak: @gotanda would love to hear more about it for my campaign http://t.co/Lj7DELYkX2 any advice for a nnest applying in ja… |
| MarekKiczkowiak |
2014-11-12T12:50:46 |
@gotanda good that the perceptions are changing slowly #ELTchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:51:01 |
@Shaunwilden Good point! #eltchat That could be a big time Oooops moment |
| NewbieCELTA |
2014-11-12T12:51:04 |
@ELTwriter @Shaunwilden @HadaLitim @Marisa_C prob in long run? not nec. @ the time :P but I did reach my Gladwellian 10k quickly! #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-11-12T12:51:25 |
I always suggest a portfolio of lesson plans or activities/materials to take to an interview gives Ts a better chance #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-11-12T12:51:34 |
RT @Marisa_C: I always suggest a portfolio of lesson plans or activities/materials to take to an interview gives Ts a better chance #ELTchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:51:38 |
RT @Marisa_C: I always suggest a portfolio of lesson plans or activities/materials to take to an interview gives Ts a better chance #ELTchat |
| ELTwriter |
2014-11-12T12:51:46 |
@NewbieCELTA @HadaLitim @Marisa_C ur right. Never rely on school's stationary. It will result in fail ... EPIC FAIL #eltchat |
| NewbieCELTA |
2014-11-12T12:51:56 |
@HadaLitim @ELTwriter @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C #ELTchat for me the smile rarely wore out b/c I was in love with the job #eltchat |
| jankenb2 |
2014-11-12T12:52:36 |
@HadaLitim Also it helps to know grammar. Most NEST are weak in grammar rule know, not use. We can correct but find it diff to expl #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:52:39 |
@Marisa_C What about a digest of Ss' feedback notes? #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-11-12T12:53:23 |
If you have done a CELTA, for example, fix/improve all ur plans and put some in a portfolio #ELTchat @HadaLitim Yes, feedback too |
| NewbieCELTA |
2014-11-12T12:53:29 |
@ELTwriter @HadaLitim @Marisa_C #ELTchat yes also: have a backup local print shop!! ain't no shame in paying for some solid copies yrself |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:53:39 |
RT @Marisa_C: If you have done a CELTA, for example, fix/improve all ur plans and put some in a portfolio #ELTchat @HadaLitim Yes, feedbac… |
| ELTwriter |
2014-11-12T12:53:48 |
@NewbieCELTA @Shaunwilden @HadaLitim @Marisa_C actually worked out how long my gladwell 10k took - not long in South America #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-11-12T12:54:52 |
@jankenb2 and NNEST's work on your functional intuitions :-) everyone has their strengths and weaknesses #ELTchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:55:00 |
Time's running out... some points about the main challenges experienced abroad #eltchat |
| ELTwriter |
2014-11-12T12:55:29 |
@NewbieCELTA @HadaLitim @Marisa_C after meeting NNESTs stop 2 is chap running cheap copy machine on street corner -he'll save day #eltchat |
| NewbieCELTA |
2014-11-12T12:55:43 |
@Marisa_C @HadaLitim I will mention this to trainees tomorrow, THX for reminder! (Maybe ill show them yr tweet? ;) #ELTchat |
| BobK99 |
2014-11-12T12:55:43 |
MT @jankenb2: @HadaLitim Also it helps to know grammar... #eltchat > and to know which 'grammar' shibboleths a school/culture favours ;-) |
| Marisa_C |
2014-11-12T12:55:46 |
@HadaLitim Discipline issues #ELTchat a challenge with those trained for teaching adults |
| Ashowski |
2014-11-12T12:55:50 |
is #ELTChat over is it on at 9pm tonight? |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-11-12T12:55:57 |
@HadaLitim embrace it fully, the more you integrate into the place the bette the experience #eltchat |
| gotanda |
2014-11-12T12:56:02 |
@MarekKiczkowiak Easier once you're here of course. Some NNESTs via JP gov't sponsored scholarships. Get visa, study, meet ppl. #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-11-12T12:56:10 |
@Ashowski Nope this week lunchtime next week 9pm #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:56:29 |
@Ashowski No sorry not tonight, next week at 9pm #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:56:40 |
RT @Marisa_C: @HadaLitim Discipline issues #ELTchat a challenge with those trained for teaching adults |
| jankenb2 |
2014-11-12T12:56:40 |
@HadaLitim Mine is setting realistic expecations for out of class HW levels for working professionals. I over assign & then regroup #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-11-12T12:56:44 |
@NewbieCELTA sure! I show them your tweets too :-) #ELTchat |
| Ashowski |
2014-11-12T12:56:47 |
@Marisa_C oh well - which topic won in the end? #ELTChat |
| jankenb2 |
2014-11-12T12:56:51 |
Create a digital portfolio and keep it updated with added PD, lessons, student artifacts. https://t.co/Ge9LY4RIEa #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:56:57 |
RT @jankenb2: @HadaLitim Mine is setting realistic expecations for out of class HW levels for working professionals. I over assign & then r… |
| Marisa_C |
2014-11-12T12:56:57 |
RT @jankenb2: Create a digital portfolio and keep it updated with added PD, lessons, student artifacts. https://t.co/Ge9LY4RIEa #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-11-12T12:57:11 |
@Ashowski @Marisa_C Have a look at the feed and work it out ;-) #ELTchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:57:12 |
RT @jankenb2: Create a digital portfolio and keep it updated with added PD, lessons, student artifacts. https://t.co/Ge9LY4RIEa #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-11-12T12:57:38 |
@Marisa_C @Ashowski Oh you told him spoilsport ;-) #ELTchat |
| StudyBundles |
2014-11-12T12:57:42 |
RT @jankenb2: Create a digital portfolio and keep it updated with added PD, lessons, student artifacts. https://t.co/Ge9LY4RIEa #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-11-12T12:58:06 |
@Shaunwilden @Ashowski I know! I hate to tell ppl off! Go to blog!!! :-D #ELTchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:58:29 |
Learner English can be a great life saver when starting a job in a new country #eltchat |
| GemL1 |
2014-11-12T12:58:30 |
MT "@Shaunwilden: @HadaLitim embrace it fully, the more you integrate into the place the better the experience #eltchat” - agree! |
| BobK99 |
2014-11-12T12:58:55 |
@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C Gotta go folks. Thanks for all the fish! :-) Great #ELTchat |
| Ashowski |
2014-11-12T12:59:00 |
@Marisa_C @Shaunwilden I'll just make sure I won't ask next time ^_^ #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-11-12T12:59:09 |
Last Question - but a very quick answer - which places best paying jobs? #eltchat (Greece not one of them right now) |
| ELTwriter |
2014-11-12T12:59:13 |
@HadaLitim apart from adapting teaching to new setting [let go of 'methods' you developed] - loneliness/isolation for some IMO #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-11-12T12:59:47 |
@ELTwriter Which is why Twitter and #ELTchat are SO important! :-) |
| SueAnnan |
2014-11-12T12:59:49 |
I can do the transcript if you find a summary writer #ELTchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T12:59:52 |
@Marisa_C Saudi BC pays hourly paid teachers 30 pounds an hour #eltchat |
| StudyBundles |
2014-11-12T13:00:01 |
@HadaLitim Definitely, and good to refer back to a few years later when you've hit your comfort zone :) #ELTchat |
| gotanda |
2014-11-12T13:00:17 |
@MarekKiczkowiak Multi/plurilingualism getting (slight) traction in very few places. ELF & CLIL buzzing, so NJ/NNESTs more valued. #ELTchat |
| jankenb2 |
2014-11-12T13:00:20 |
My greatest frustration is to…remember that lang is used by engaging in 2 way convo. So…. build in lots of oral lang convo. #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T13:00:24 |
@ELTwriter definitely #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T13:00:44 |
@Marisa_C Lool! WOuld love to work with you..come over #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T13:01:13 |
RT @StudyBundles: @HadaLitim Definitely, and good to refer back to a few years later when you've hit your comfort zone :) #ELTchat |
| ELTwriter |
2014-11-12T13:01:38 |
@jankenb2 @HadaLitim BE professionals are the worst. I always asked them 2 correct own work from class - seemed to do the trick #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-11-12T13:01:39 |
Did we find a volunteer for the summary? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-11-12T13:01:44 |
Has anyone offered to do the summary please #ELTchat |
| GemL1 |
2014-11-12T13:01:47 |
@Marisa_C think Korea still offers fairly good packages, also higher ed/unis in UK are not bad #eltchat |
| NewbieCELTA |
2014-11-12T13:01:54 |
@ELTwriter @HadaLitim yes, the 'methods into maxims into macrostategies' process that can be winding road #ELTchat & often isolated #eltchat |
| StudyBundles |
2014-11-12T13:02:08 |
@Marisa_C around £18-£20 p/h is normal in colleges in the UK if you're dip qualified. #ELTchat |
| GemL1 |
2014-11-12T13:02:26 |
@HadaLitim not bad! #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-11-12T13:02:44 |
RT @Marisa_C: Has anyone offered to do the summary please #ELTchat |
| GemL1 |
2014-11-12T13:02:48 |
@Shaunwilden i can write the summary if you want? #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T13:03:00 |
@GemL1 And tax free #eltchat |
| jankenb2 |
2014-11-12T13:03:04 |
@HadaLitim @Marisa_C Certified teaching at k-12 pays best then private, adult prof prog. Must factor in housing & trans to compare. #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2014-11-12T13:03:13 |
RT @Marisa_C: Has anyone offered to do the summary please #ELTchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T13:03:13 |
RT @jankenb2: @HadaLitim @Marisa_C Certified teaching at k-12 pays best then private, adult prof prog. Must factor in housing & trans to co… |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-11-12T13:03:17 |
@GemL1 Great thanks for offering @Marisa_C @SueAnnan #eltchat |
| ELTwriter |
2014-11-12T13:03:23 |
@Marisa_C truer words have never ... #eltchat It must be great for newbie TEFLers now ... or am I wrong? |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T13:03:23 |
RT @GemL1: @Shaunwilden i can write the summary if you want? #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2014-11-12T13:03:33 |
RT @GemL1: @Shaunwilden i can write the summary if you want? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-11-12T13:03:37 |
@GemL1 @Shaunwilden that is lovely thank you @SueAnnan is collecting and posting the transcript today #ELTchat |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T13:03:48 |
@GemL1 @Shaunwilden Great Gemma, thanks @SueAnnan #eltchat |
| GemL1 |
2014-11-12T13:03:49 |
@HadaLitim even better! #eltchat |
| jankenb2 |
2014-11-12T13:03:54 |
@StudyBundles @Marisa_C With or w/o housing assistance? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-11-12T13:04:11 |
@ELTwriter No you are not - but many terrified twitter will suck their brains out so not here #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-11-12T13:04:14 |
Remember next week we’re at 9pm GMT slot #eltchat |
| GemL1 |
2014-11-12T13:04:29 |
@Marisa_C @Shaunwilden @SueAnnan great, will write it later today or tomo #eltchat |
| ELTchat |
2014-11-12T13:05:04 |
RT @Shaunwilden: Remember next week we’re at 9pm GMT slot #eltchat and remember to propose new topics |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T13:05:20 |
Time to go for me. Thanks everyone for joining us. Next week again I hope at the later time of 9pm BST So ciao for now #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2014-11-12T13:05:42 |
@GemL1 great. I'll get the transcript to you shortly #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-11-12T13:05:53 |
A reminder for those of you who like #edtech episode 3 of our podcast is now available http://t.co/wjUZ4JzxVs #eltchat |
| iatefl_ltsig |
2014-11-12T13:05:58 |
RT @Shaunwilden: A reminder for those of you who like #edtech episode 3 of our podcast is now available http://t.co/wjUZ4JzxVs #eltchat |
| jankenb2 |
2014-11-12T13:06:09 |
#eltchat Thanks for the hour. See you next time. |
| Marisa_C |
2014-11-12T13:06:11 |
@GemL1 wonderful thank you - just post on your blog and tweet it with the hashtag - have you got one? #eltchat |
| JoshSRound |
2014-11-12T13:06:16 |
RT @Shaunwilden: A reminder for those of you who like #edtech episode 3 of our podcast is now available http://t.co/wjUZ4JzxVs #eltchat |
| StudyBundles |
2014-11-12T13:06:42 |
Last week's #ELTchat summary 'Ways of making authentic material available to our ss in class is here http://t.co/coZiiaFOAf if interested |
| HadaLitim |
2014-11-12T13:06:53 |
RT @StudyBundles: Last week's #ELTchat summary 'Ways of making authentic material available to our ss in class is here http://t.co/coZiiaFO… |
| Marisa_C |
2014-11-12T13:06:54 |
@GemL1 yes you do #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-11-12T13:07:08 |
RT @StudyBundles: Last week's #ELTchat summary 'Ways of making authentic material available to our ss in class is here http://t.co/coZiiaFO… |
| ELTchat |
2014-11-12T13:07:17 |
RT @StudyBundles: Last week's #ELTchat summary 'Ways of making authentic material available to our ss in class is here http://t.co/coZiiaFO… |
| StudyBundles |
2014-11-12T13:08:05 |
@jankenb2 @Marisa_C w/o I'm afraid in term time. Often different over the summer months tho #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-11-12T13:08:07 |
Well- time to sign off here - thanks to all for joining and sharing your ideas and thoughts!!! Looking forward to our summary! #ELTchat |
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