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How to activate passive vocabulary with advanced students

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#ELTchat on 29/10/2014 on How to activate passive vocabulary with advanced students How to activate passive vocabulary with advanced students  

 

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sunnicron 29 October 2014 12:00:41 PM I'm ready to join. I'm a teacher located in Gifu, Japan. #eltchat
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:01:02 PM RT @HadaLitim: A couple of mins b4 we kick off our weekly #ELTchat #eltchinwag #KELTChat #iTDi #edchat #ELT
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:01:27 PM @sunnicron That's great! Hi there #eltchat
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:02:06 PM Our topic today is How to activate passive vocab with advanced students (or with non-native teachers) don't forget the hashtag #eltchat
HanaTicha 29 October 2014 12:02:23 PM I'm ready #eltchat but I'm also cooking lunch so I'll test my multi-tasking skills :-)
angelos_bollas 29 October 2014 12:02:23 PM @sunnicron Welcome Nick #eltchat
angelos_bollas 29 October 2014 12:02:56 PM Hello #eltchat Great to be here! :)
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:03:30 PM Hi Hana and Angelo. Women are great at multitasking #eltchat
sunnicron 29 October 2014 12:03:36 PM @angelos_bollas @HadaLitim thanks guys! #eltchat
angelos_bollas 29 October 2014 12:04:07 PM @HadaLitim Well, teachers in general are great at it! #eltchat
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:04:49 PM Shall we start then? #eltchat
Marisa_C 29 October 2014 12:04:58 PM Hi all good to see u on #ELTchat hey @HadaLitim been struggling with my connection - sorry to be late
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:05:06 PM What is passive vocabulary? #eltchat
StudyBundles 29 October 2014 12:05:20 PM #ELTchat Hi everyone
angelos_bollas 29 October 2014 12:05:38 PM @HadaLitim Vocabulary that learners can recognise but not use? #eltchat
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:05:43 PM @Marisa_C Hey!!! Glad you fixed it #eltchat
HanaTicha 29 October 2014 12:05:45 PM RT @HadaLitim: What is passive vocabulary? #eltchat > Those items you understand but can't recall for production?
Marisa_C 29 October 2014 12:05:45 PM RT @HadaLitim: What is passive vocabulary? #eltchat
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:05:54 PM RT @angelos_bollas: @HadaLitim Vocabulary that learners can recognise but not use? #eltchat
angelos_bollas 29 October 2014 12:06:05 PM @StudyBundles Hello Daniel #eltchat
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:06:06 PM @angelos_bollas Like? #eltchat
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:06:29 PM @HanaTicha Can you expand pls? #eltchat
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:06:32 PM RT @HanaTicha: RT @HadaLitim: What is passive vocabulary? #eltchat > Those items you understand but can't recall for production?
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:06:54 PM @StudyBundles Hi Daniel #eltchat thanks for joing us
cherrymp 29 October 2014 12:07:02 PM @HadaLitim: Shall we start then? #eltchat #eltindia
angelos_bollas 29 October 2014 12:07:24 PM @HadaLitim ‘items’ w/ which learners do not struggle receptively (they know the meanings, uses, etc) but cannot use productively. #eltchat
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:07:29 PM @cherrymp Hi Cherry! We've started with defining Passive Vocab #eltchat
sunnicron 29 October 2014 12:07:37 PM @HanaTicha As a language learner, I think producing a language is much harder than comprehending. #eltchat
Marisa_C 29 October 2014 12:07:37 PM what do you think of the alternative distinction - receptive vs productive vocab; theory says nothing we can process is passive #eltchat
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:07:39 PM RT @angelos_bollas: @HadaLitim ‘items’ w/ which learners do not struggle receptively (they know the meanings, uses, etc) but cannot use pro…
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:07:50 PM RT @Marisa_C: what do you think of the alternative distinction - receptive vs productive vocab; theory says nothing we can process is passi…
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:07:57 PM RT @sunnicron: @HanaTicha As a language learner, I think producing a language is much harder than comprehending. #eltchat
HanaTicha 29 October 2014 12:07:59 PM @HadaLitim Passive vocabulary is there - you have encountered it when reading and listening but don't use in writing, speaking #eltchat
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:08:20 PM RT @HanaTicha: @HadaLitim Passive vocabulary is there - you have encountered it when reading and listening but don't use in writing, speaki…
Marisa_C 29 October 2014 12:08:49 PM @HanaTicha @HadaLitim but  you do recon=gnise/understand it - brain not passive, no? #eltchat
BobK99 29 October 2014 12:08:54 PM Catching up with #eltchat ...
Shaunwilden 29 October 2014 12:08:57 PM really sorry stuck in a meeting #eltchat
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:09:05 PM @Marisa_C Passive is the term that needs defining then. #eltchat
StudyBundles 29 October 2014 12:09:16 PM @sunnicron @HanaTicha I'd agree with that! But how do you activate this vocabulary? #ELTchat
cherrymp 29 October 2014 12:09:18 PM RT @HadaLitim: Our topic today is How to activate passive vocab with advanced students (or with non-native teachers) don't forget the hasht…
angelos_bollas 29 October 2014 12:09:37 PM @Marisa_C Much better distinction #eltchat > shall we examine how we help learners through the transition from receptive to productive vocal
sunnicron 29 October 2014 12:09:40 PM @HadaLitim @HanaTicha Yes - I can tell you for sure that understanding a Japanese kanji is hard; but re-writing it is even harder! #eltchat
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:09:51 PM RT @angelos_bollas: @Marisa_C Much better distinction #eltchat > shall we examine how we help learners through the transition from receptiv…
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:10:15 PM @angelos_bollas @Marisa_C Yes! Key skill #eltchat
sunnicron 29 October 2014 12:10:22 PM @StudyBundles Good question. PPP - present, practice, produce. And then, practice, practice, practice! #eltchat
HanaTicha 29 October 2014 12:10:25 PM RT @StudyBundles: @sunnicron @HanaTicha I'd agree with that! But how do you activate this vocabulary? #ELTchat
Marisa_C 29 October 2014 12:10:35 PM OK @HadaLitim still not sure I like the term "passive" means brain asleep but ok #eltchat
cherrymp 29 October 2014 12:10:40 PM @HadaLitim Joining #eltchat after a long gap. Passive is our 'declarative' knowledge?
HanaTicha 29 October 2014 12:11:01 PM @StudyBundles Practice and production I guess. My experience #eltchat
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:11:26 PM @Marisa_C Exactly. Passive / subconsciously acquired/stored knowledge #eltchat such a blurred notion
HanaTicha 29 October 2014 12:11:29 PM @Marisa_C @HadaLitim receptive would be better :-) #eltchat
Marisa_C 29 October 2014 12:12:17 PM Question - how do we select WHICH of this vocabulary needs activating #ELTchat and WHO decides?
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:12:30 PM @cherrymp @Marisa_C @HanaTicha Prob right #eltchat
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:12:35 PM RT @Marisa_C: Question - how do we select WHICH of this vocabulary needs activating #ELTchat and WHO decides?
angelos_bollas 29 October 2014 12:12:37 PM @Marisa_C Maybe we should call ‘passive’ anything that is not used by the user to communicate something to someone else @HadaLitim #eltchat
HanaTicha 29 October 2014 12:13:10 PM @Marisa_C The needs of the learner but also frequency rates #eltchat
cherrymp 29 October 2014 12:13:17 PM #eltchat so is the definition part taken care then?
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:13:34 PM @angelos_bollas @Marisa_C That speaks to me :) #eltchat
Marisa_C 29 October 2014 12:13:42 PM RT @HanaTicha: @Marisa_C The needs of the learner but also frequency rates #eltchat > good u mention frequency - corpus use right?
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:13:54 PM RT @Marisa_C: RT @HanaTicha: @Marisa_C The needs of the learner but also frequency rates #eltchat > good u mention frequency - corpus use r…
cherrymp 29 October 2014 12:13:55 PM @Marisa_C: Question - how do we select WHICH of this vocabulary needs activating #ELTchat and WHO decides? Good question.
rapple18 29 October 2014 12:14:12 PM Apologies.. may I join?  #eltchat
sunnicron 29 October 2014 12:14:19 PM @Marisa_C I think it depends on its "usefulness" in real life. We can teach 'difficult words,' but what if they're not really used? #eltchat
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:14:28 PM @rapple18 Yes pls! Hi Rachel #eltchat
HanaTicha 29 October 2014 12:14:29 PM @Marisa_C Definitely - or a good dictionary #eltchat
cherrymp 29 October 2014 12:14:30 PM @angelos_bollas @Marisa_C @HadaLitim Liked the way you put it. #eltchat
uniquelanguages 29 October 2014 12:14:31 PM RT @BELTABelgium: Children fluent in two languages learn better in noisy classrooms than pupils who speak just one: http://t.co/X3XPzHpJvs
Marisa_C 29 October 2014 12:14:42 PM @rapple18 of course and very welcome! #eltchat
StudyBundles 29 October 2014 12:15:15 PM @HanaTicha @sunnicron #ELTchat so good, semi-authentic practice activities are key?!
angelos_bollas 29 October 2014 12:15:20 PM @HanaTicha Yes! Every time a learner struggles to recall a word, there is need for activation, right? @Marisa_C #eltchat
rapple18 29 October 2014 12:15:55 PM passive at adv level: IMO, LOADS of words, just not used. So lots of group work, exposure 2 texts 4 discusion ... etc #eltchat (forgot hash)
BobK99 29 October 2014 12:16:29 PM RT @Marisa_C: ...#eltchat > good u mention frequency - corpus use right? I thought the vote was AGAINST that ;-)
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:16:32 PM @angelos_bollas @HanaTicha @Marisa_C Do you think it's only abt activation. Can it have to do with the grasp the Std has of it too #eltchat
Marisa_C 29 October 2014 12:17:09 PM @rapple18 theory of encounters, right? does anyone remember how many encounters allegedly need frm receptive to prod? #eltchat
nutrich 29 October 2014 12:17:17 PM Brainly: Can ELT learn from social learning? http://t.co/w9bdvqIbci #eltchat
patrickelt 29 October 2014 12:17:18 PM @sunnicron @Marisa_C Perhaps depends on their needs (eg for footballers, offside might be key and memorable. #eltchat
HanaTicha 29 October 2014 12:17:19 PM @HadaLitim Sure. You need to know a lot about a word first to be able to use it later on #eltchat
cherrymp 29 October 2014 12:17:26 PM #eltchat By activation we mean making passive vocabulary active or part of productive skills, right? Not an easy task IMO.
ShellTerrell 29 October 2014 12:17:26 PM RT @HadaLitim: A couple of mins b4 we kick off our weekly #ELTchat @SerraRoseli @MarjorieRosenbe @ELTExperiences @ShellTerrell @ChristineMu…
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:17:43 PM @rapple18 Can methodic recording of the vocab help recall and use it? #eltchat
sunnicron 29 October 2014 12:17:46 PM @StudyBundles I agree on that. When the learner needs to learn diff kinds of English (e.g. academic papers), then they'll learn it #eltchat
cherrymp 29 October 2014 12:17:57 PM RT @Marisa_C: @rapple18 theory of encounters, right? does anyone remember how many encounters allegedly need frm receptive to prod? #eltchat
sunnicron 29 October 2014 12:18:07 PM @StudyBundles (cont.) then they'll learn it subsequently. #eltchat
angelos_bollas 29 October 2014 12:18:14 PM @HadaLitim Is it still an issue of ‘passive’ vocabulary, then? @HanaTicha @Marisa_C #eltchat
BobK99 29 October 2014 12:18:25 PM RT @BELTABelgium: ...<SPAM> #eltchat > Make that BELTUP?
angelos_bollas 29 October 2014 12:18:53 PM RT @HadaLitim: @rapple18 Can methodic recording of the vocab help recall and use it? #eltchat>and more detailed, perhaps?
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:18:57 PM @HanaTicha Not all Ss risk experimenting with new words. Always safer to stick to old words #eltchat
rapple18 29 October 2014 12:19:10 PM @Marisa_C  theory of encounters, right?   #eltchat Yes. Dont know theory, but it must link to frequency overtime, like memory  ? (Does 4me!)
cherrymp 29 October 2014 12:19:14 PM @HanaTicha @HadaLitim More than knowledge repeated, meaningful exposure matters. #eltchat
angelos_bollas 29 October 2014 12:20:14 PM @HanaTicha Input/Exposure to language is also necessary before using it. @HadaLitim #eltchat
cherrymp 29 October 2014 12:20:14 PM @HadaLitim: @HanaTicha Not all Ss risk experimenting with new words. Always safer to stick to old words #eltchat true
rapple18 29 October 2014 12:20:32 PM @HadaLitim definitely... but instilling that in learners requires systems they need to 'buy into'. Very useful! #eltchat
HanaTicha 29 October 2014 12:20:54 PM @HadaLitim Yes but then they get stuck at some point and finally feel frustrated they're not improving  #eltchat
patrickelt 29 October 2014 12:20:59 PM @HadaLitim @HanaTicha Perhaps most appropriate to write before speak here as written texts are usually more lexically rich #eltchat
sunnicron 29 October 2014 12:21:06 PM @patrickelt Yup. Well said. True in every areas. #eltchat
StudyBundles 29 October 2014 12:21:16 PM @sunnicron @HanaTicha #eltchat yes, so when there's a real, genuine need for a word, then they're likely to 'activate' the word(s)
rapple18 29 October 2014 12:21:22 PM @cherrymp @HanaTicha @HadaLitim indeed! #eltchat
angelos_bollas 29 October 2014 12:21:38 PM @patrickelt Does this ensure oral use, though? @HadaLitim @HanaTicha #eltchat
Marisa_C 29 October 2014 12:22:30 PM Not sure whether reliable evidence but 30 encounterssuggested in lit for a word to become productive/active #eltchat - whatduthink? 2much?
angelos_bollas 29 October 2014 12:22:30 PM @StudyBundles Is there any help we could provide to facilitate the process? I@sunnicron @HanaTicha #eltchat
StudyBundles 29 October 2014 12:22:44 PM @patrickelt @HadaLitim @HanaTicha and easier to consider and analyse written text #eltchat
patrickelt 29 October 2014 12:22:46 PM @angelos_bollas @HadaLitim @HanaTicha Don't know about ensure but perhaps natural to follow in many cases #eltchat
rapple18 29 October 2014 12:23:06 PM @patrickelt  @HadaLitim @HanaTicha Perhaps most appropriate to write before speak #eltchat yes: lots R/L exposure as springboard for Wr/Spk
HanaTicha 29 October 2014 12:23:13 PM @patrickelt True but writing is very different from speaking in this respect. I'd say it's good to practise them parallelly #eltchat
angelos_bollas 29 October 2014 12:23:23 PM RT @patrickelt: Don't know about ensure but perhaps natural to follow in many cases #eltchat> you mean learners become more confident?
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:23:29 PM @angelos_bollas @patrickelt @HanaTicha Maybe not ensure but motivate perhaps #eltchat
patrickelt 29 October 2014 12:23:33 PM @angelos_bollas @HadaLitim @HanaTicha Perhaps some words are not spoken that often - eg how often do we say "homogenous"? #eltchat
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:24:36 PM @patrickelt @angelos_bollas @HanaTicha True. So is it more abt formal vs informal or academic vs general vocab perhaps? #eltchat
HanaTicha 29 October 2014 12:24:44 PM We're talking about vocabulary but I think it's the whole structures that need to be activated - not just separate items #eltchat
Marisa_C 29 October 2014 12:24:47 PM @patrickelt @angelos_bollas @HadaLitim @HanaTicha lol i do every time i do mixed level teaching :-D #eltchat
cherrymp 29 October 2014 12:24:49 PM #eltchat Often used this analogy of words as friends to remind the importance of keeping in touch with words.
patrickelt 29 October 2014 12:25:07 PM @angelos_bollas yes #eltchat
Marisa_C 29 October 2014 12:25:12 PM RT @HanaTicha: We're talking about vocabulary but I think it's the whole structures that need to be activated - not just separate items #el…
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:25:24 PM @Marisa_C @patrickelt @angelos_bollas @HanaTicha You funny you! #eltchat
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:26:05 PM @cherrymp That's an interesting one #eltchat
angelos_bollas 29 October 2014 12:26:09 PM @Marisa_C Plus, it is a Greek word. You do have an advantage (lol) @patrickelt @HadaLitim @HanaTicha #eltchat
BobK99 29 October 2014 12:26:23 PM RT @cherrymp: #eltchat Often used this analogy of words as friends to remind the importance of keeping in touch with words. >Nice :-)
Marisa_C 29 October 2014 12:26:36 PM @angelos_bollas @patrickelt @HadaLitim @HanaTicha yeajh like kimono tight? #eltchat
patrickelt 29 October 2014 12:26:54 PM @HanaTicha Yes, I think this is an important point #eltchat
cherrymp 29 October 2014 12:26:58 PM @Marisa_C Have noticed certain words catching students imagination faster than certain other words. Haven't researched which but. #eltchat
StudyBundles 29 October 2014 12:27:14 PM @angelos_bollas @HanaTicha Setting up personalised, 'real life' situations where the target vocab is required to complete the task? #ELTchat
HanaTicha 29 October 2014 12:27:15 PM @BobK99 @cherrymp And also - words are friends with other words and that's how we should learn and teach them #eltchat
rapple18 29 October 2014 12:27:40 PM @patrickelt @angelos_bollas @HadaLitim @HanaTicha #eltchat  We need2 enable sts 2 activate what THEY R interestd in: "glow" using new word!
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:27:47 PM So what techniques or tips can we share about helping Ss activate that all elusive passive vocab #eltchat
Marisa_C 29 October 2014 12:27:56 PM @cherrymp this happens - people like some sounds more over others - form their own idiolect - good thing tho no? Ss choose vocab #eltchat
angelos_bollas 29 October 2014 12:27:56 PM @HadaLitim It’s easier with ESP (learners motivated 2 learn & use specific language), right? what about GE? @patrickelt @HanaTicha #eltchat
cherrymp 29 October 2014 12:28:11 PM @rapple18 @patrickelt @HadaLitim @HanaTicha Will opt for few rounds of listening before writing exposure. #eltchat
StudyBundles 29 October 2014 12:28:13 PM @cherrymp @Marisa_C That would be an interesting study to read! Words that ring a bell with ss' L1? #eltchat
sunnicron 29 October 2014 12:28:18 PM @cherrymp Maybe it also has to do with whether the vocabulary is an abstract/concrete idea. #eltchat
patrickelt 29 October 2014 12:28:18 PM @HadaLitim @angelos_bollas @HanaTicha Yes.  I think so.  We should remember much spoken discourse is not lexically rich #eltchat
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:28:25 PM @Marisa_C @cherrymp Yes definitely a good thing. Cosy/comfy vocab #eltchat
angelos_bollas 29 October 2014 12:28:31 PM @Marisa_C Exactly! :) @patrickelt @HadaLitim @HanaTicha #eltchat
BobK99 29 October 2014 12:28:37 PM RT @HanaTicha: @BobK99 @cherrymp ... words are friends with other words and that's how we should learn and teach them #eltchat>Corpora again
sunnicron 29 October 2014 12:28:47 PM @HadaLitim Ever heard of Look – Say – Cover – Write – Check? Has anyone tried that? #eltchat
Marisa_C 29 October 2014 12:29:01 PM @StudyBundles @cherrymp lotso f stuff written on this - google "cognates" #ELTchat
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:29:15 PM @sunnicron @cherrymp Nevertheless both are needed to fully express oneself, right?  #eltchat
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:29:45 PM @sunnicron Yes with YLs mainly for spelling #eltchat Great technique - really works
patrickelt 29 October 2014 12:30:10 PM @rapple18 @angelos_bollas @HadaLitim @HanaTicha Yes, it is good to teach them what they are interested in and then develop strats #eltchat
HanaTicha 29 October 2014 12:30:18 PM @BobK99 Well, corpora are great but it's not that easy to incorporate them into everyday lessons - maybe topic for another #eltchat
Marisa_C 29 October 2014 12:30:43 PM @sunnicron @HadaLitim sounds like a mnemonic technique - haven't tried - but story association games useful #eltchat
sunnicron 29 October 2014 12:30:47 PM @HadaLitim Cool, thanks. I was about to try using it on my YLs tomorrow. #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 29 October 2014 12:30:48 PM Just got home - what's the topic? #eltchat
StudyBundles 29 October 2014 12:31:08 PM RT @patrickelt: @rapple18 @angelos_bollas @HadaLitim @HanaTicha Yes, it is good to teach them what they are interested in and then develop …
Marisa_C 29 October 2014 12:31:32 PM @MarjorieRosenbe activating passive/receptive vocab with advanced Ss or NNESTs#eltchat
BobK99 29 October 2014 12:31:47 PM @HanaTicha Some of us tried :-( #eltchat
petervdbroeck 29 October 2014 12:31:48 PM RT @BELTABelgium: Children fluent in two languages learn better in noisy classrooms than pupils who speak just one: http://t.co/X3XPzHpJvs
StudyBundles 29 October 2014 12:32:17 PM @sunnicron @HadaLitim We us this technique mainly to improve spelling, especially with our teen learners (they like it!)  #ELTchat
rapple18 29 October 2014 12:32:28 PM @marisa Found this: "sts need at least six encounters with targeted words in order to acquire them" & more: https://t.co/D2lsxq1mqP #eltchat
HanaTicha 29 October 2014 12:32:31 PM Paul Nation describes loads of wonderful tips for activating vocab - Learning vocabulary in another lamguage #eltchat
angelos_bollas 29 October 2014 12:32:47 PM @StudyBundles What if they don’t do the task?They might get disappointed.What about providing suggested lexis for task completion? #eltchat
sunnicron 29 October 2014 12:32:53 PM @Marisa_C I just realised this is inteded for NNESTs too. I am one. How can I activate more vocabulary then? #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 29 October 2014 12:33:04 PM Love to use games where they describe vocab, guess words, incorporate them into writing, etc. #eltchat
patrickelt 29 October 2014 12:33:18 PM @HanaTicha @BobK99 Yes and are generally out of context (although this can be retrieved) #eltchat
languageeteach 29 October 2014 12:33:22 PM @patrickelt @rapple18 @angelos_bollas @HadaLitim @HanaTicha Agree-those opportunistic moments in teaching #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 29 October 2014 12:33:32 PM Basically recycling in a number of different ways and contexts. #eltchat
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:33:35 PM @angelos_bollas @StudyBundles Yes nice way of revisiting vocab to consolidate and hopefully activate #eltchat
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:33:53 PM RT @MarjorieRosenbe: Love to use games where they describe vocab, guess words, incorporate them into writing, etc. #eltchat
HanaTicha 29 October 2014 12:33:59 PM Delayed copying and producing is one of the techniques I use #eltchat
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:34:05 PM @MarjorieRosenbe Hi marjorie #eltchat
Marisa_C 29 October 2014 12:34:12 PM Activating prob 2 stages - recall - check and use activities (for a T) for Ss/NNESTs  on their own READ, LISTEN, PLAY #eltchat
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:34:17 PM RT @HanaTicha: Delayed copying and producing is one of the techniques I use #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 29 October 2014 12:34:34 PM Let sts look through materials for words they need to practice and create activity so they use them. #eltchat
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:34:41 PM @HanaTicha How does it go Hana? #eltchat
StudyBundles 29 October 2014 12:34:46 PM @angelos_bollas Like that idea.  Maybe a 'checklist' that Ss have to tick as each word is used? Or does that make it too fake? #eltchat
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:34:54 PM RT @Marisa_C: Activating prob 2 stages - recall - check and use activities (for a T) for Ss/NNESTs  on their own READ, LISTEN, PLAY #eltchat
rapple18 29 October 2014 12:35:11 PM @Marisa_C  4U: "sts need at least six encounters with targeted words in order to acquire them" & more: https://t.co/D2lsxq1mqP … #eltchat
angelos_bollas 29 October 2014 12:35:19 PM @StudyBundles It serves its purpose, though, doesn’t it? #eltchat
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:35:28 PM @StudyBundles @angelos_bollas Controlled while it's still needed perhaps #eltchat
BobK99 29 October 2014 12:35:31 PM RT @sunnicron: @Marisa_C How can I activate more vocabulary then? #eltchat > Loads of language exposure (net, talk, read...) & summarize
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:35:40 PM RT @BobK99: RT @sunnicron: @Marisa_C How can I activate more vocabulary then? #eltchat > Loads of language exposure (net, talk, read...) & …
HanaTicha 29 October 2014 12:35:47 PM @HadaLitim To put it simply, you look and then take your eyes off the text and either say or write what you saw a few seconds ago #eltchat
rapple18 29 October 2014 12:35:52 PM @HanaTicha have you got a good link? #eltchat  I only have a l-o-n-g article...!
Marisa_C 29 October 2014 12:36:07 PM @rapple18 thanks - alternative claim u understand - none of this can be conclusive #eltchat
Marisa_C 29 October 2014 12:36:15 PM RT @BobK99: RT @sunnicron: @Marisa_C How can I activate more vocabulary then? #eltchat > Loads of language exposure (net, talk, read...) & …
languageeteach 29 October 2014 12:36:40 PM @patrickelt @HanaTicha @BobK99 This is an interesting read #corpus #eltchathttps://t.co/4GONpQLkNy
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:36:42 PM RT @HanaTicha: @HadaLitim To put it simply, you look and then take your eyes off the text and either say or write what you saw a few second…
MarjorieRosenbe 29 October 2014 12:36:43 PM I find half crosswords, word grids and 'vocabulary triangles' useful - describe, recognise, use words. #eltchat
cherrymp 29 October 2014 12:36:51 PM #eltchat Sorry. Have to leave. Will respond to mentions later.
rapple18 29 October 2014 12:36:54 PM MT @MarjorieRosenbe  Love to use games: describe vocab, guess words, incorporate into writing, etc. #eltchat And vocab box(es)?
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:36:58 PM @HanaTicha I like! #eltchat
HanaTicha 29 October 2014 12:36:59 PM @rapple18 I have a paper book which is 400 pages long - worth reading from cover to cover though! #eltchat
Marisa_C 29 October 2014 12:37:08 PM @HanaTicha @HadaLitim DICTOGLOSS also a great activity for recall and use (of words and grammar too) 2 birds 1 stone #eltchat
angelos_bollas 29 October 2014 12:37:09 PM @HanaTicha Like a dictogloss? but learners have the text instead of the teacher? @HadaLitim #eltchat
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:37:19 PM RT @Marisa_C: @HanaTicha @HadaLitim DICTOGLOSS also a great activity for recall and use (of words and grammar too) 2 birds 1 stone #eltchat
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:37:44 PM @Marisa_C @HanaTicha I use Dictogloss quite often - great for so many things #eltchat
StudyBundles 29 October 2014 12:37:55 PM @BobK99 @sunnicron @Marisa_C Choose carefully! Make sure the resource doesn't contain too many words that are new to the learner #eltchat
rapple18 29 October 2014 12:38:05 PM @Marisa_C Yes ... will read later in detail. Pinch of salt.. was just curious!  #eltchat
HanaTicha 29 October 2014 12:38:13 PM @angelos_bollas I suppose so. Like TV presenters back in the 20th century - no readers - they had to look and speak #eltchat
Marisa_C 29 October 2014 12:38:31 PM @StudyBundles true but this for discovery & guesswork - now talking about USING #eltchat :-D
Marisa_C 29 October 2014 12:39:04 PM @HanaTicha autocue activ? I do that smtms too - only quick peaks allowed #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 29 October 2014 12:39:13 PM I use activities for diff types, speaking, writing, movement, etc. based on vocab we recycle. #eltchat
Marisa_C 29 October 2014 12:39:21 PM RT @MarjorieRosenbe: I use activities for diff types, speaking, writing, movement, etc. based on vocab we recycle. #eltchat
rapple18 29 October 2014 12:39:37 PM @HanaTicha I have a Nation title on my list of ELT books to buy :) #eltchat  Will follow your example!
patrickelt 29 October 2014 12:40:02 PM @languageeteach @HanaTicha @BobK99 Thanks, Clare #eltchat
HanaTicha 29 October 2014 12:40:13 PM @Marisa_C Yes. Tried it myself too - not easy and really makes you recall what you saw. It's funny to watch Ss to do the activity #eltchat
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:40:41 PM Old classic but still highly effective is the flashcard collection. Can be re-used in so many ways #eltchat
angelos_bollas 29 October 2014 12:40:43 PM How do we get SS use ‘passive’ vocabulary more freely? What is the transition from using it in games, etc. 2natural conversations? #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 29 October 2014 12:40:56 PM @rapple18 Do you mean giving them the vocab in boxes? All depends on the activity. #eltchat
Marisa_C 29 October 2014 12:41:06 PM @HanaTicha I love it thanks for reminder - Ss do 2 #eltchat motivates to try and recall chunks of lang not just words
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:41:15 PM @angelos_bollas Making the games as meaningful as possible - real life contexts #eltchat
sunnicron 29 October 2014 12:41:44 PM It's getting late in my part of the world now. So I'll leave the #eltchat for now... Nice talking to you all and good night!
MarjorieRosenbe 29 October 2014 12:41:46 PM @angelos_bollas Scaffolding, I guess. Start from bottom and move towards free speaking activities. #eltchat
HanaTicha 29 October 2014 12:41:53 PM @HadaLitim This is one of the techniques Nation recommends too. Flip cards with definitions and/or translations on the back side #eltchat
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:42:32 PM @HanaTicha Yes, and endless possibilities of reuse - love them! #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 29 October 2014 12:42:34 PM @angelos_bollas Have activity that starts with dominoes & gap text, then a vocab game, then they use words to write job ads. #eltchat
languageeteach 29 October 2014 12:42:43 PM @HadaLitim Also old-fashioned but I still use a vocabulary box to record new words which are  in subsequent lessons #eltchat
angelos_bollas 29 October 2014 12:42:44 PM @MarjorieRosenbe And then holding a ‘recycling vocabulary’ session every now and then, perhaps? #eltchat
rapple18 29 October 2014 12:42:45 PM @MarjorieRosenbe Vocab boxes: box in class, each new word on a slip of paper. T/Sts write. Use for 10' revision beg. or end lesson. #eltchat
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:42:45 PM RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @angelos_bollas Have activity that starts with dominoes & gap text, then a vocab game, then they use words to write jo…
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:43:23 PM @languageeteach The vocab box can make for great fun and anticipation - love that too )) #eltchat
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:43:37 PM RT @rapple18: @MarjorieRosenbe Vocab boxes: box in class, each new word on a slip of paper. T/Sts write. Use for 10' revision beg. or end l…
fionaljp 29 October 2014 12:43:45 PM #eltchat keeping a lexical notebook - new words + phrases
MarjorieRosenbe 29 October 2014 12:43:47 PM @rapple18 So the kinaesthetic version - love it! #eltchat
rapple18 29 October 2014 12:43:50 PM @HanaTicha @HadaLitim I do this with words in HU and SP at busstop. Quizlet is great .. esp if sts write up lists w/ definitions #eltchat
HanaTicha 29 October 2014 12:44:17 PM @HadaLitim Better than lists which have a fixed order that you can't change. Can work with them in many ways. #eltchat
StudyBundles 29 October 2014 12:44:21 PM @HadaLitim @languageeteach Definitely adds interest! #ELTchat
MarjorieRosenbe 29 October 2014 12:44:50 PM @angelos_bollas Good idea - when they need it, it's helpful. #eltchat
HanaTicha 29 October 2014 12:44:51 PM @rapple18 @HadaLitim  Quizlet! Yeah!! :-D Love it. #eltchat
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:44:52 PM @HanaTicha Totally. However, if list at all, then under topic headings can be useful #eltchat
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:45:23 PM @HanaTicha @rapple18 Quizlet is the extension of the old flashcard. Love them too #eltchat
snaplearning 29 October 2014 12:45:32 PM SNAP Close Reading Portfolio for Common Core ELA Support http://t.co/qRFYqahBZ6 #eltchat #edchat #closereading #ela
StudyBundles 29 October 2014 12:45:32 PM @fionaljp Great idea, and encourage ss to look at it 'little and often' #ELTchat
HanaTicha 29 October 2014 12:45:40 PM @HadaLitim Lists in general have a bad reputation I'm afraid but I'd too go for topics rather than anything else #eltchat
Marisa_C 29 October 2014 12:45:53 PM Using words in context more useful - e,g, in the http://t.co/OIruPzP8Nq game i can remember diff words briefly but quickly forget #eltchat
angelos_bollas 29 October 2014 12:46:07 PM @MarjorieRosenbe SS (and I) love taboo! :) #eltchat
fionaljp 29 October 2014 12:46:08 PM RT @rapple18: @MarjorieRosenbe Vocab boxes: box in class, each new word on a slip of paper. T/Sts write. Use for 10' revision beg. or end l…
rapple18 29 October 2014 12:46:11 PM @fionaljp also mindmaps, lexical sets, categories, wordfamilies &c. Notebk + vocabbox + quizlet + post-its on bathroom mirror #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 29 October 2014 12:46:29 PM @HanaTicha @HadaLitim Really important to change order for visual learners who remember where they see sth, need to mix it up. #eltchat
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:47:03 PM @HanaTicha I don't use thm much, bt in exam classes they can be very useful. eg write a piece abt a topic, refer to ur word list #eltchat
HanaTicha 29 October 2014 12:47:08 PM @MarjorieRosenbe @HadaLitim And also for the effect of primacy and recency #eltchat
angelos_bollas 29 October 2014 12:47:17 PM Is this about learning new words or about using words the meaning of which you know? #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 29 October 2014 12:47:35 PM @rapple18 @fionaljp Visual learners can hang post-its above eye level - makes them look up = visual memory. #eltchat
rapple18 29 October 2014 12:47:49 PM @StudyBundles @fionaljp yes.. little + often is KEY! e.g. 10-15' p/d can really help. So 10' p/lesson v useful with grp activities #ELTchat
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:47:57 PM RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @rapple18 @fionaljp Visual learners can hang post-its above eye level - makes them look up = visual memory. #eltchat
HanaTicha 29 October 2014 12:48:14 PM @HadaLitim I use lists too. We use coursebooks and there are alphabetical lists :-( But I give my Ss other tips how to learn vocab #eltchat
fionaljp 29 October 2014 12:48:23 PM @StudyBundles Yes, and personalisation - create own sentences using target lexis #eltchat
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:48:28 PM @MarjorieRosenbe @rapple18 @fionaljp Or use a line (washing line like) across the room and unpeg as they use/acquire #eltchat
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:48:59 PM @HanaTicha Same here - only in Exam classes though #eltchat
Marisa_C 29 October 2014 12:49:01 PM RT @fionaljp: @StudyBundles Yes, and personalisation - create own sentences using target lexis #eltchat
rapple18 29 October 2014 12:49:14 PM @MarjorieRosenbe @fionaljp oooh nice! #eltchat  Then we should also be Rinvolucri-ing words: "label the elephant" etc!
Marisa_C 29 October 2014 12:49:16 PM RT @HadaLitim: @MarjorieRosenbe @rapple18 @fionaljp Or use a line (washing line like) across the room and unpeg as they use/acquire #eltchat
HanaTicha 29 October 2014 12:49:17 PM RT @HadaLitim: @MarjorieRosenbe @rapple18 @fionaljp Or use a line (washing line like) across the room and unpeg as they use/acquire #eltchat
angelos_bollas 29 October 2014 12:49:30 PM RT @HadaLitim: Or use a line (washing line like) across the room and unpeg as they use/acquire #eltchat >sounds fun!
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:50:02 PM @angelos_bollas Total fun - I used to have them at home too when learning new languages with my son #eltchat
HanaTicha 29 October 2014 12:50:08 PM Or speaking chips - with words on cards - once used correctly they can dispose of the word and win if they have none #eltchat
Marisa_C 29 October 2014 12:50:21 PM Ranking or priority activities useful; involve Ss in decision making using selected items #eltchat
HanaTicha 29 October 2014 12:50:31 PM RT @Marisa_C: Ranking or priority activities useful; involve Ss in decision making using selected items #eltchat
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:50:44 PM @HanaTicha Sounds great - could give the chips value - higher value to the more difficult words #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 29 October 2014 12:50:46 PM I encourage sts to practice by looking, listening, speaking and moving. Then words are stored in more ways. #eltchat
HanaTicha 29 October 2014 12:51:03 PM @HadaLitim Yep. The sky is he limit :-D #eltchat
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:51:14 PM RT @HanaTicha: @HadaLitim Yep. The sky is he limit :-D #eltchat
languageeteach 29 October 2014 12:51:29 PM @fionaljp @StudyBundles And explain what they hear/see. In my context (ESOL in the UK) v. useful - could record sayings/idioms etc.#eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 29 October 2014 12:51:30 PM Picture cards used to play 'Memory' or Bingo - also helpful. #eltchat
Marisa_C 29 October 2014 12:51:41 PM I think it's also important to activate the word in its lexical field - the mind needs to associate it with other words #eltchat
UniRdg_EngLang 29 October 2014 12:51:52 PM Come and study for an MA in English Language Teaching or Applied Linguistics with us in Reading. http://t.co/z0ym05t159 #eltchat
rapple18 29 October 2014 12:51:52 PM talking of word assoc., let's not forget cuizenaire rods :) #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 29 October 2014 12:52:03 PM RT @fionaljp: @StudyBundles Yes, and personalisation - create own sentences using target lexis #eltchat
StudyBundles 29 October 2014 12:52:13 PM #ELTchat thanks for the chat guys, going to have to leave! Got to see a man about a dog...
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:52:15 PM @Marisa_C Yes completely agree. #eltchat
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:52:54 PM @StudyBundles Thx for joining and sharing. Chat next week if you can 9pm BST #eltchat
rapple18 29 October 2014 12:53:00 PM refer to this often (for own learning, and sts) http://t.co/2rjGAIVZGF  5 "principles". V sound #eltchat
Marisa_C 29 October 2014 12:53:06 PM Advanced Ss also need lots of idioms - part of lexical learning - any ideas? #eltchat
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:53:09 PM RT @rapple18: refer to this often (for own learning, and sts) http://t.co/2rjGAIVZGF  5 "principles". V sound #eltchat
patrickelt 29 October 2014 12:53:45 PM @languageeteach @fionaljp @StudyBundles Yes, great to build on what they have noticed - also relevant for EAP in UK #eltchat
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:53:57 PM @Marisa_C Idioms can be so tricky but make such a great diff in their lang #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 29 October 2014 12:54:21 PM @Marisa_C Have wonderful book on 'illustrated' idioms - matching idiom to drawing. Fun and helpful! #eltchat
fionaljp 29 October 2014 12:54:29 PM #eltchat Fraze it is very nice for model sentences / noticing how to use: http://t.co/OwfuwLVh76
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:54:47 PM @MarjorieRosenbe @Marisa_C Ref Marje pls :) #eltchat
angelos_bollas 29 October 2014 12:54:50 PM RT @Marisa_C: Advanced Ss also need lots of idioms - part of lexical learning - any ideas? #eltchat>transformation tasks?
Abumeshal_2012 29 October 2014 12:54:55 PM Make a list of interesting question with new words. Create topics for quick speaking in pairs. Make a role play in debate manner. #eltchat
rapple18 29 October 2014 12:55:07 PM @Marisa_C Fun for idioms at adv level: http://t.co/UyRsIFMFyN #eltchat
Marisa_C 29 October 2014 12:55:08 PM @HadaLitim idomatic use essential to be considered advanced/fluent user #eltchat
languageeteach 29 October 2014 12:55:13 PM RT @rapple18: refer to this often (for own learning, and sts) http://t.co/2rjGAIVZGF  5 "principles". V sound #eltchat
HanaTicha 29 October 2014 12:55:27 PM @fionaljp Great! Bookmarked. Thanks! #eltchat
Marisa_C 29 October 2014 12:56:01 PM @MarjorieRosenbe macmillan I think? can't remember title now #eltchat
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:56:06 PM @Marisa_C Yes, always mentioned in exams marking criteria #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 29 October 2014 12:56:08 PM @HadaLitim @Marisa_C 101 American English Idioms, Harry Collis, Passport Books, very old though. #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 29 October 2014 12:56:31 PM @Marisa_C Not mine, but I am sure there are lots. #eltchat
fionaljp 29 October 2014 12:56:38 PM @Marisa_C Fraze it: http://t.co/OwfuwLVh76 - very useful for context / examples for appropriate use #eltchat
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:56:41 PM @MarjorieRosenbe @Marisa_C Thanks! I also have a great one but at work now so unable to share the title #eltchat
rapple18 29 October 2014 12:56:45 PM @MarjorieRosenbe @Marisa_C I tried 2 get sts 2 'draw' them - only worked if they are visual/artistically inspired. Disappointing .. #eltchat
HanaTicha 29 October 2014 12:56:47 PM @Marisa_C @HadaLitim Some puritans are against idioms and metaphors - they think they complicate the messsage. #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 29 October 2014 12:57:01 PM Make recycling relevant - put words in context, show sts why & when they need them. #eltchat
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:57:09 PM @HanaTicha @Marisa_C Interesting! #eltchat
Marisa_C 29 October 2014 12:57:20 PM @rapple18 try idioms charades - ss mime all indiv words then whole idiom #eltchat
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:57:34 PM 3 mins to the end of our #eltchat Any volunteer for the summary please? #eltchat
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:57:41 PM RT @Marisa_C: @rapple18 try idioms charades - ss mime all indiv words then whole idiom #eltchat
angelos_bollas 29 October 2014 12:57:52 PM @HanaTicha Have they ever been in an English speaking country? @Marisa_C @HadaLitim #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 29 October 2014 12:57:58 PM @HanaTicha @Marisa_C @HadaLitim But we use them naturally - just don't teach all but the relevant ones are fine. #eltchat
patrickelt 29 October 2014 12:58:05 PM @MarjorieRosenbe Yes and also how the word can vary according to the context #eltchat
fionaljp 29 October 2014 12:58:26 PM @HanaTicha @Marisa_C @HadaLitim Sts tend to love them though! #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 29 October 2014 12:58:28 PM @HanaTicha @Marisa_C @HadaLitim Luckily we can do as we please in our own classrooms as a rule. #eltchat
HanaTicha 29 October 2014 12:58:36 PM @MarjorieRosenbe @Marisa_C @HadaLitim Sure. I love idioms and metaphors. Spice up the language #eltchat
Marisa_C 29 October 2014 12:58:47 PM Used to get my teen Ss look for idioms in songs and then have an idiom swap minute #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 29 October 2014 12:59:09 PM @HanaTicha @Marisa_C @HadaLitim With business English sts, they often need the idioms to understand in international situations. #eltchat
fionaljp 29 October 2014 12:59:27 PM #eltchat first attempt at this as on half term - very fast! #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 29 October 2014 12:59:41 PM @HanaTicha @Marisa_C @HadaLitim Vicki Hollett is working on new video with baseball idioms, loads used in BE. #eltchat
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 12:59:46 PM I've got to rush off. It was great to chat with you all again. Thanks and see you next week #eltchat
HanaTicha 29 October 2014 12:59:54 PM Using pictures can help Ss remember idioms #eltchat The literal meaning can be expanded to the metaphorical meaning > fun #eltchat
Marisa_C 29 October 2014 12:59:55 PM @MarjorieRosenbe @HanaTicha @HadaLitim special business idioms true very necessary #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 29 October 2014 1:00:21 PM @HadaLitim @Marisa_C I copied some, put idioms on one card and pics on another and they matched as  a start. #eltchat
HanaTicha 29 October 2014 1:00:50 PM @Marisa_C @MarjorieRosenbe @HadaLitim Absolutely. I once analyzed an authentic newspaper article - idiom on every line! #eltchat
BobK99 29 October 2014 1:00:57 PM RT @Marisa_C:... also important to activate the word in its lexical field ... #eltchat >@HanaTicha said that (but with friendlier words!)
Marisa_C 29 October 2014 1:00:59 PM Summary writer  please? #eltchat we need a summary for this - Can @HadaLitim pls get ranscript?
angelos_bollas 29 October 2014 1:01:29 PM Using L1 idioms can help SS become aware of them and start noticing them in L2 #eltchat
patrickelt 29 October 2014 1:01:47 PM @MarjorieRosenbe @HanaTicha @Marisa_C @HadaLitim I do some football coaching with an American.  He uses idioms I don't know #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 29 October 2014 1:01:56 PM @HadaLitim Sorry, off to Faversham for meeting and rushing to meet a deadline. In a few weeks I promise. :-) #eltchat
HadaLitim 29 October 2014 1:02:05 PM @Marisa_C Sure Marisa #eltchat
angelos_bollas 29 October 2014 1:02:21 PM RT @Marisa_C: Propose a topic for #eltchat on the 5th of November http://t.co/kdEux5iaDk > remember to suggest a topic for next week
MarjorieRosenbe 29 October 2014 1:02:35 PM @patrickelt @HanaTicha @Marisa_C @HadaLitim I might not either even though I am American. And don't even mention cricket! #eltchat
Marisa_C 29 October 2014 1:03:03 PM @MarjorieRosenbe @patrickelt @HanaTicha @HadaLitim lol clueless about both #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 29 October 2014 1:03:09 PM @HadaLitim @ELTchat thanks - good to see people from HO and other SIG coordinators - 1 big family now. #eltchat
HanaTicha 29 October 2014 1:03:09 PM Gotta serve lunch now. Luckily I didn't burn it :-) Great chat as usual. Thanks. Bye.  #eltchat
patrickelt 29 October 2014 1:03:16 PM @MarjorieRosenbe @HanaTicha @Marisa_C @HadaLitim Yes, probably very linked to communities of practice #eltchat
angelos_bollas 29 October 2014 1:04:27 PM Have a great week #eltchat :)
rapple18 29 October 2014 1:04:51 PM Thanks all - good chat today...  Would be fun to do an idioms topic ond day....! Bye #eltchat
 
 
 

 

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