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Differentiated Instruction in classes of differing ability

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SueAnnan 2014-10-22T19:59:16 RT @ELTchat: How do you deal with Mixed Ability Classes #ELTchat 01/03/2011 http://t.co/DdrRVhtkoM Ready to start in a few minutes
SueAnnan 2014-10-22T20:00:24 RT @SueAnnan: Good evening #ELTchatters. Is anyone there? #eltchat
LahiffP 2014-10-22T20:00:32 RT @ELTchat: How do you deal with Mixed Ability Classes #ELTchat 01/03/2011 http://t.co/VadoMKZARK
naomishema 2014-10-22T20:00:45 Hello #eltchat! this is such a relevant topic for me but I'm so sleepy tonight (23:00), don't know how long i'll last...
Shaunwilden 2014-10-22T20:01:04 Evening #eltchat
HanaTicha 2014-10-22T20:01:11 Hello #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2014-10-22T20:01:15 @theteacherjames posted this link on FB http://t.co/QZHIohnvX2 > relevant to today’s  #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-10-22T20:01:27 @naomishema Hi Naomi. It is a really useful topic. Lurk if you can and then read the summary #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2014-10-22T20:01:31 Hello #eltchat :)
SueAnnan 2014-10-22T20:01:58 Hi Hana and Angelos #eltchat
David__Boughton 2014-10-22T20:02:15 RT @ELTchat: How do you deal with Mixed Ability Classes #ELTchat 01/03/2011 http://t.co/ZPwW1quSQg
LahiffP 2014-10-22T20:02:31 Hi there! #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-10-22T20:02:34 How many of you teach mixed ability classes? #eltchat
HanaTicha 2014-10-22T20:02:57 @SueAnnan I do! Not easy. #eltchat
naomishema 2014-10-22T20:03:08 I do!!! Today I gave 4 different tests to one class! #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2014-10-22T20:03:10 @SueAnnan I do in summer schools #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-10-22T20:03:17 @HanaTicha How mixed are we talking here? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2014-10-22T20:03:21 @SueAnnan surely the answer to that is everyone? #eltchat
HanaTicha 2014-10-22T20:03:53 @SueAnnan (A2) B1 - C1 - my guess #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-10-22T20:03:54 @Shaunwilden I teach classes with spiky profiles, but is that mixed ability? #eltchat
David__Boughton 2014-10-22T20:04:17 @SueAnnan I would say most classes are mixed ability. #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-10-22T20:04:25 @HanaTicha Wow #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2014-10-22T20:04:34 @SueAnnan Well, according to the previous summary, most classes are mixed ability @Shaunwilden #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2014-10-22T20:04:44 @SueAnnan i think we’re confusion mixed level and mixed ability #eltchat
HanaTicha 2014-10-22T20:04:56 @David__Boughton @SueAnnan Yes, but some are less diverse than others #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2014-10-22T20:05:01 Are there any classes that are not mixed ability? #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2014-10-22T20:05:16 @HanaTicha You have much to share, then. How come and they are all in one class? @SueAnnan #eltchat
MicaelaCarey 2014-10-22T20:05:26 Hi everyone!  My classes are a mix too.  Bound to happen #eltchat
naomishema 2014-10-22T20:05:33 There's mixed ability in terms of strong & weak learners & then there is mixed level with wildly different needs. #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2014-10-22T20:05:38 OK, so what is the diff between mixed level and mixed ability? #eltchat
theteacherjames 2014-10-22T20:05:43 @Shaunwilden @SueAnnan Aren’t we talking about Differentiated instruction?! #eltchat
Marisa_C 2014-10-22T20:05:50 Hi everyone - i wasn't going to join but decided to take a break from marking and join you - hope this will clear my head #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-10-22T20:05:54 @angelos_bollas @HanaTicha  I wouldn't say mine were very mixed, except in the BE classes #eltchat
HanaTicha 2014-10-22T20:05:58 @SueAnnan The class used to be split into 2 groups - tight budget > one big group.  #eltchat
naomishema 2014-10-22T20:06:20 RT @HanaTicha: @SueAnnan The class used to be split into 2 groups - tight budget > one big group.  #eltchat > Hear you!
David__Boughton 2014-10-22T20:06:21 @HanaTicha True, so is the focus today on the really mixed classes? Because those are the real challenges. #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-10-22T20:06:35 @HanaTicha That sounds difficult. How do you manage? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2014-10-22T20:06:37 @theteacherjames @SueAnnan well to differentiate then the class by nature must be mixed no? #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2014-10-22T20:06:48 @MarjorieRosenbe Mixed ability could be same level different abilities (SS strong in different skills) #eltchat
naomishema 2014-10-22T20:07:05 RT @angelos_bollas: @MarjorieRosenbe Mixed ability could be same level different abilities (SS strong in different skills) #eltchat
Marisa_C 2014-10-22T20:07:06 Here is a nice summary for #AusELTchat on the very same topic we are discussing #ELTchat http://t.co/97VZo77PTe
MicaelaCarey 2014-10-22T20:07:28 Mixed abilities occur in all classes #eltchat impossible to avoid IMO
MarjorieRosenbe 2014-10-22T20:07:28 @theteacherjames @Shaunwilden @SueAnnan I think so but definition would help. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2014-10-22T20:07:30 @Marisa_C Oi go away :) #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2014-10-22T20:07:42 @SueAnnan So, ESP tends to be more mixed ability than GE classes? @HanaTicha #eltchat
Marisa_C 2014-10-22T20:07:44 @Shaunwilden ok boss #eltchat byeee
HanaTicha 2014-10-22T20:07:50 I had a chat with a C1 girl today. She said I demand little from the advanced Ss. But I can see the weak ones suffer too. :( #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-10-22T20:08:38 @angelos_bollas @MarjorieRosenbe That's what I call spiky profile #eltchat
HanaTicha 2014-10-22T20:08:40 @SueAnnan I search the internet more that I did before when I plan a lesson :-) I think more and wake up in the night :-D #eltchat
naomishema 2014-10-22T20:09:28 I use online homework to give different levels in class tasks suitable for them #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-10-22T20:09:28 @angelos_bollas @HanaTicha but that is real life so the skills are useful in BE classes #eltchat
MicaelaCarey 2014-10-22T20:09:32 @HanaTicha @SueAnnan Sounds very challenging, Hana #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-10-22T20:10:13 RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @theteacherjames @Shaunwilden @SueAnnan I think so but definition would help. #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2014-10-22T20:10:32 Found: Differentiated instruction is how ts respond to diff sts needs in the classroom by changing content, process and product.#eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-10-22T20:11:09 @MarjorieRosenbe is that relevant to level too? #eltchat
HanaTicha 2014-10-22T20:11:23 I think one needs to find a balance between engaging (cc strong Ss) and adequately challenging (not to scare the weaker ones off) #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2014-10-22T20:11:26 @naomishema Isn't that more work for you? Do you send HW to each one? #eltchat
David__Boughton 2014-10-22T20:11:50 @naomishema How does that work? Wouldn't it take lots of time to get different HW for everyone?#eltchat
naomishema 2014-10-22T20:11:58 RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @naomishema Isn't that more work for you? Do you send HW to each one? #eltchat > GROUPS,
theteacherjames 2014-10-22T20:11:59 The topic today is Differentiated Instruction. Here’s a handy definition.http://t.co/G4JlngsvTu#eltchat
angelos_bollas 2014-10-22T20:12:01 @HanaTicha do different tasks help maintain balance? #eltchat
David__Boughton 2014-10-22T20:12:13 @MarjorieRosenbe @naomishema My thoughts exactly. #eltchat
HanaTicha 2014-10-22T20:12:50 The trouble with assigning diff types of activities and HW is that the gap even wides. Becomes even more challenging for the T #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-10-22T20:13:21 @HanaTicha do you get the strong ones to help the weaker ones? #eltchat
MicaelaCarey 2014-10-22T20:13:33 @HanaTicha How many are in the class? Could you get them to work in small groups? #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2014-10-22T20:14:18 @HanaTicha How about assigning different roles to SS? e.g. ‘strong’ SS in one area assist ‘weak’ ones? #eltchat
naomishema 2014-10-22T20:14:23 H.w tasks I build r easy 2 check but do take time 2 prepare. same acitivty& prepare 4 diff levels. no ss insulted cause it's online #eltchat
HanaTicha 2014-10-22T20:14:25 @SueAnnan I do but the strong ones are not always willing to help. If you think about it it's not fair to demand that all the time #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2014-10-22T20:14:53 @theteacherjames That's what I found. Diff Instr seems to talk about weaker and strong sts, does that mean abilities or levels? #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-10-22T20:15:04 @HanaTicha I agree, but sometimes they could take on a 'teacher role' for a short while #eltchat
HanaTicha 2014-10-22T20:15:41 @MicaelaCarey 22 Ss They do work in groups and pairs but I think this doesn't help the strong ones to feel sufficiently challenged #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2014-10-22T20:16:08 Does TBL offer more room for Diff Instr? #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2014-10-22T20:16:09 @SueAnnan @HanaTicha This is where cooperative learning can be put to good use. Peer-to-peer teaching/learning #eltchat
HanaTicha 2014-10-22T20:16:25 @SueAnnan Absolutely. The trouble is that they're 17-18 years old and that is a difficult age #eltchat
naomishema 2014-10-22T20:16:36 When u work with flashcards,WEAK ss can be the teachers too, as they have the answers. works with disappearing texts 2. #eltchat
theteacherjames 2014-10-22T20:16:44 @MarjorieRosenbe From what I read level doesn’t seem to be part of it, more to do with content, process, product & learning env #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-10-22T20:17:09 @HanaTicha Okay. Yes I agree. That's not always an easy age to work with at the best of times #eltchat
naomishema 2014-10-22T20:17:20 @HanaTicha Mine are that age too. #eltchat
theteacherjames 2014-10-22T20:17:44 @MarjorieRosenbe I might have been a bit simplistic there. Level is involved, but not the only factor. #eltchat
MicaelaCarey 2014-10-22T20:18:05 @theteacherjames @MarjorieRosenbe I agree- looks more like abilities than diff in level #eltchat great link, btw
naomishema 2014-10-22T20:18:17 @David__Boughton Oh, and I give h,w only once a week. #eltchat
ebefl 2014-10-22T20:18:22 I'll just leave this here and toddle off ;) http://t.co/zg7ebnyHRu #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-10-22T20:18:26 Does anyone have a solution? #ELTchat
HanaTicha 2014-10-22T20:18:36 @SueAnnan Souns like a cliché but I think they push me and I feel I'm improving by being challenged by them. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2014-10-22T20:18:58 RT @ebefl: I'll just leave this here and toddle off ;) http://t.co/zg7ebnyHRu #eltchat
HanaTicha 2014-10-22T20:19:26 RT @SueAnnan: Does anyone have a solution? #ELTchat > I'm all ears :-)
angelos_bollas 2014-10-22T20:19:34 What about giving SS self evaluation forms and asking them to get into groups where there will be balance btwn strong and weak ss? #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2014-10-22T20:19:36 @MicaelaCarey @theteacherjames So if abilities are different doesn't that eventually affect the language level? #eltchat
Nouella89 2014-10-22T20:20:31 Use diverse materials on 1genre/topic #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2014-10-22T20:20:40 @theteacherjames that's what I posted as well. But we modify these to suit different sts needs - in what way? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2014-10-22T20:20:47 @angelos_bollas Nice idea do you think they’d do it? #eltchat
David__Boughton 2014-10-22T20:20:51 We like the strong teach the weak tactic, but how do you all convince/keep motivated the strong students? #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-10-22T20:20:53 @MarjorieRosenbe @MicaelaCarey  Why ? It could be that overall they have same level, but some read better than others #eltchat
HanaTicha 2014-10-22T20:21:13 In the past I felt guilty about the weak Ss, now I feel more responsibility for the stronger ones Don't want to waste their talent #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-10-22T20:22:02 @HanaTicha Do the strong ones pull the weak ones along with them? #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2014-10-22T20:22:04 @Shaunwilden maybe If they are given a task to complete (and provided that the task is of their interest) #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2014-10-22T20:22:14 @angelos_bollas Thanks Angelos, that makes sense. #eltchat
naomishema 2014-10-22T20:22:16 As an activist for struggling learners I strongly agree with @HanaTicha - worry about the strong learners too! #eltchat
HanaTicha 2014-10-22T20:22:36 @David__Boughton You can try to boost their confidence by telling them how good they are but that doesn't always help #eltchat
HanaTicha 2014-10-22T20:23:12 @SueAnnan I believe so. The weaker ones must work really hard to keep up. #eltchat
HanaTicha 2014-10-22T20:23:27 RT @naomishema: As an activist for struggling learners I strongly agree with @HanaTicha - worry about the strong learners too! #eltchat
David__Boughton 2014-10-22T20:23:33 @HanaTicha Eventually they see through it. They know it's a budget issue, not an academic choice. #eltchat
HanaTicha 2014-10-22T20:23:52 @David__Boughton Absolutely! #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2014-10-22T20:23:53 So we are talking about skills I guess - I differentiate by mixing methods. #eltchat Too many for individual instruction. #eltchat
theteacherjames 2014-10-22T20:23:56 @MarjorieRosenbe For example, "Providing materials that reflect a variety of cultures and home settings” >> not related to level. #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-10-22T20:23:58 My trainees have a class of diff students and the weak are pushed by the more able. #eltchat
MicaelaCarey 2014-10-22T20:24:04 @MarjorieRosenbe @theteacherjames    Good point. Maybe incl difsf in level too.According to link also used 4 diff learning styles #eltchat
theteacherjames 2014-10-22T20:24:26 @MarjorieRosenbe I think level is only one small part of it. #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2014-10-22T20:24:37 Should we show them that some are better at some skills while others are better at other skills? #eltchat
carol_goodey 2014-10-22T20:24:43 @ebefl @Shaunwilden You can’t toddle off. You’ve distracted me now. Come back!! #eltchat
HanaTicha 2014-10-22T20:25:01 @MarjorieRosenbe Yes, I agree. Try different styles of presentation and production. #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-10-22T20:25:14 @angelos_bollas That would help motivate each of them #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2014-10-22T20:25:16 Usually my weaker ones are not as proficient, at least in speaking which is what we do in class. #eltchat
HanaTicha 2014-10-22T20:25:43 RT @angelos_bollas: Should we show them that some are better at some skills while others are better at other skills? #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-10-22T20:25:54 @MarjorieRosenbe Mine are weaker in reading or writing, Speaking seems to be better #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2014-10-22T20:26:03 @SueAnnan and reduce (unproductive) competition, I guess #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-10-22T20:26:27 @angelos_bollas Yep #eltchat
naomishema 2014-10-22T20:26:44 sad truth is sometimes struggling learners REALLY benifit  from being in a seperate group where they don't worry about losing face #eltchat
HanaTicha 2014-10-22T20:27:38 @angelos_bollas Yes! Some Ss are hopeless at speaking but they can learn an enormous amount of vocab. #eltchat > Various testing methods.
HanaTicha 2014-10-22T20:27:48 RT @naomishema: sad truth is sometimes struggling learners REALLY benifit  from being in a seperate group where they don't worry about losi…
MarjorieRosenbe 2014-10-22T20:27:50 my stronger ones usually help weaker ones if they like them and don't feel it hinders their own progress #eltchat
HilaryNunns 2014-10-22T20:27:52 @sueannan sounds wonderful. How do you facilitate that? #eltchat
carol_goodey 2014-10-22T20:27:56 @ebefl @Shaunwilden This is what happens when a reasonable aim, is bureaucratised and controlled. You differentiate to tick a box #eltchat
David__Boughton 2014-10-22T20:28:22 @naomishema True, but sadder truth is budget issues come first. #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-10-22T20:28:36 I had a class where the first hour was aimed at the weaker sts and the second one for the higher ability.  was bizarre, but worked #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2014-10-22T20:28:37 @carol_goodey @ebefl @Shaunwilden No one tells us to do this - it grows out of necessity at time. #eltchat
naomishema 2014-10-22T20:29:20 @HanaTicha Some weak kids are great at memorizing vocab but poor readers. only proves reading comp is about more than vocab! #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2014-10-22T20:29:22 @HanaTicha These SS could help others w/ vocab while others could help them w/ speaking. So, each SS is in charge of another #eltchat
naomishema 2014-10-22T20:29:24 RT @David__Boughton: @naomishema True, but sadder truth is budget issues come first. #eltchat
HanaTicha 2014-10-22T20:29:40 @SueAnnan Sounds good but doesn't this kind of exposure discriminate the weaker ones? Puts them in a box forever? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2014-10-22T20:29:42 @carol_goodey @ebefl I am not sure I do it to tick boxes #eltchat
David__Boughton 2014-10-22T20:29:42 @SueAnnan Did both sets of students participate in both half hours? #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-10-22T20:30:08 @David__Boughton yes they did, and it kind of worked #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-10-22T20:30:59 @HanaTicha I don't think it did. And the weaker sts did benefit at both levels #eltchat
HanaTicha 2014-10-22T20:31:11 @naomishema Very true. Some learners just need more time. Slow equals weak > This is not fair #eltchat
David__Boughton 2014-10-22T20:31:30 @SueAnnan Better than sitting on the sidelines (e.g. independent reading or writing). So there were no hard feelings? #eltchat
naomishema 2014-10-22T20:31:38 So sorry, it's 11:30 p,m and I can't keep my eyes open. twas a long day and there's another one tomorrow. Good night! #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2014-10-22T20:31:39 @SueAnnan Usually, the ’strong’ ones suffer the most, methinks @HanaTicha  #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2014-10-22T20:31:58 RT @naomishema: @HanaTicha Some weak kids are great at memorizing vocab but poor readers. only proves reading comp is about more than vocab…
HanaTicha 2014-10-22T20:32:04 @SueAnnan Hm. Interesting. I may give it a thought :-) #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2014-10-22T20:32:09 RT @HanaTicha: @naomishema Very true. Some learners just need more time. Slow equals weak > This is not fair #eltchat
MicaelaCarey 2014-10-22T20:32:30 @naomishema Good night! #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-10-22T20:32:38 @David__Boughton None at all. The levels were not enormously diff, and everyone got something useful out of each session #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2014-10-22T20:33:23 @carol_goodey @ebefl @Shaunwilden That's why I often don't read the articles. #eltchat Are these people in the classroom?
David__Boughton 2014-10-22T20:33:38 @SueAnnan Wow, that's some real buy in from the Ss. Surprised no complaints. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2014-10-22T20:33:46 @angelos_bollas @SueAnnan @HanaTicha thats an interesting point, i need to ponder that but I sense you might be right :-) #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2014-10-22T20:34:13 Have to wonder how much of this has to do with learner strategies - some have better ones than others. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2014-10-22T20:34:20 @MarjorieRosenbe @carol_goodey @ebefl to be fair he wasn’t talking about ELT #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-10-22T20:34:21 RT @MarjorieRosenbe: Have to wonder how much of this has to do with learner strategies - some have better ones than others. #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2014-10-22T20:34:51 Maybe we need to teach learner strategies rather than concentrate on differentiation at times. #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-10-22T20:35:11 @MarjorieRosenbe interesting point #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2014-10-22T20:35:17 @MarjorieRosenbe This is where collaborative/peer teaching could be very beneficial #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2014-10-22T20:36:14 RT @MarjorieRosenbe: Maybe we need to teach learner strategies rather than concentrate on differentiation at times. #eltchat>absolutely!
HanaTicha 2014-10-22T20:36:23 @MarjorieRosenbe Ironically, the weaker ones often have better learning strategies but less aptitude for learning languages #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-10-22T20:38:04 What activities can be diff. in class to benefit everyone? #eltchat
HanaTicha 2014-10-22T20:38:24 But also, the best Ss get exposed to English outside class voluntarily > better results IN class > higher motivation #eltchat
RichardBadger2 2014-10-22T20:38:34 “@ELTchat: How do you use mobile devices in the classroom?  #ELTchat Summary 11/01/2012 http://t.co/3ijz3eTgFK” #mlearn #elearn#edtech
carol_goodey 2014-10-22T20:38:34 @Shaunwilden @MarjorieRosenbe @ebefl I think we agree. Differentiation is essential in all learning groups... #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2014-10-22T20:38:40 @HanaTicha Another whole can of beans, what makes someone a good/bad language learner? #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2014-10-22T20:39:16 @SueAnnan Writing tasks? different expectations from different SS. #eltchat
David__Boughton 2014-10-22T20:39:40 @SueAnnan Giving beginner, intermediate, advanced versions of readings takes forever. Who has simplified news articles before? #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2014-10-22T20:39:48 @SueAnnan Some cooperative learning activities give diff types of questions to diff learners. Slow ones get easier ones. #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-10-22T20:39:51 @angelos_bollas Yes. Diff amounts and abilities #eltchat
HanaTicha 2014-10-22T20:40:27 @angelos_bollas @SueAnnan But unfortunately, when assessing and grading Ss I inevitably compare. The system requires it. #eltchat
carol_goodey 2014-10-22T20:40:31 @Shaunwilden @MarjorieRosenbe @ebefl It’s when it becomes ‘the thing’ to do, you have to prove you do it, that it becomes a problem #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-10-22T20:40:38 @MarjorieRosenbe I often have extra up my sleeve for the quick ones anyway. #eltchat
David__Boughton 2014-10-22T20:40:54 @angelos_bollas @SueAnnan I think expectations is the key word here. Same task different expectations is key for me. #eltchat
carol_goodey 2014-10-22T20:41:07 @MarjorieRosenbe @Shaunwilden @ebefl That’s all! :-) I’ll get back to what I was doing now #ELTchat
MicaelaCarey 2014-10-22T20:41:35 RT@David__Boughton: @angelos_bollas @SueAnnan I think expectations is the key word here.#eltchat  I agree
angelos_bollas 2014-10-22T20:41:52 @HanaTicha What if you make the gap shorter gradually? @SueAnnan #eltchat
HanaTicha 2014-10-22T20:41:52 @David__Boughton @angelos_bollas @SueAnnan In the state system of edu you can't have diff expectations :-( #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-10-22T20:42:39 @HanaTicha @David__Boughton @angelos_bollas But one size doesn't fit all #eltchat
David__Boughton 2014-10-22T20:42:47 @HanaTicha @angelos_bollas @SueAnnan Yes, doesn't work in the school systems, does it? Language centres it's fine though. #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2014-10-22T20:43:02 @HanaTicha @angelos_bollas @SueAnnan Agree - but we grade HW, a midterm, final written and final oral so more chance for fairness. #eltchat
HanaTicha 2014-10-22T20:43:16 @SueAnnan @David__Boughton @angelos_bollas No, but there are certain outcomes I have to achieve. #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2014-10-22T20:43:45 @carol_goodey @Shaunwilden @ebefl Like anything in teaching. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2014-10-22T20:43:55 RT @SueAnnan: @HanaTicha @David__Boughton @angelos_bollas But one size doesn't fit all #eltchat
David__Boughton 2014-10-22T20:44:30 @angelos_bollas @HanaTicha @SueAnnan Isn't that unfair to stronger students? "I'm slowly bringing weaker students up to your level" #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2014-10-22T20:44:59 @SueAnnan @HanaTicha @David__Boughton @angelos_bollas Been saying that for years. But using all 4 skills makes it fairer to assess #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2014-10-22T20:44:59 @carol_goodey @MarjorieRosenbe @ebefl fair point Carol, when it takes over, like anything it is probably a step too far #eltchat
HanaTicha 2014-10-22T20:45:29 @David__Boughton @angelos_bollas @SueAnnan This is a vicious circle, isn't it? :-) #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2014-10-22T20:45:30 @David__Boughton Can hw or extra tutorials (delivered by ’strong’ SS) work in schools? @HanaTicha @SueAnnan #eltchat
AnthonyGaughan 2014-10-22T20:45:48 Hi all, just back from a hard day's differentiation and thought I'd say hello. #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2014-10-22T20:46:15 @David__Boughton Don’t they improve by revising/teaching parts of the syllabus? @HanaTicha @SueAnnan #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-10-22T20:46:23 @HanaTicha @David__Boughton @angelos_bollas It certainly appears more difficult in some contexts than others #eltchat
David__Boughton 2014-10-22T20:47:27 @angelos_bollas @David__Boughton @HanaTicha @SueAnnan Sure, but they aren't happy to be part of a plan to help weaker students. #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-10-22T20:47:40 @AnthonyGaughan Hello and welcome #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2014-10-22T20:47:48 RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @carol_goodey @Shaunwilden @ebefl Like anything in teaching. #eltchat
David__Boughton 2014-10-22T20:49:17 @SueAnnan @HanaTicha @David__Boughton @angelos_bollas Yes, when students pay $, they don't have patience for our academic trickery. #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-10-22T20:49:22 @David__Boughton @angelos_bollas @HanaTicha Unless you can sell it as helping them too #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2014-10-22T20:49:41 @David__Boughton If this is done as part of presentation skills development and not as helping weak SS? @HanaTicha @SueAnnan #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2014-10-22T20:50:13 @AnthonyGaughan HI Anthony #eltchat
David__Boughton 2014-10-22T20:50:14 @SueAnnan @angelos_bollas @HanaTicha I find they see through that quickly. #eltchat
HanaTicha 2014-10-22T20:50:54 Alos, the tendency to assign extra work to stronger SS actually means punishing them. They may think: it's better to be weak. #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-10-22T20:51:00 Pairing them up doesn't work as the stronger ones do all the work, I find #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 2014-10-22T20:51:10 Welcome @AnthonyGaughan. Anything to share from your diff day? #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2014-10-22T20:51:13 @SueAnnan @HanaTicha @David__Boughton @angelos_bollas I have sts who just don't listen to instructions - difficult #eltchat
David__Boughton 2014-10-22T20:52:06 @angelos_bollas @HanaTicha @SueAnnan But they could do that without weaker students. They  know it's not ideal for them. #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2014-10-22T20:52:11 How can tech help us w/ diff instr? #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2014-10-22T20:52:30 @SueAnnan Depends on whether stronger ones like helping. Having this problem ATM. #eltchat Stronger ones are suffering. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2014-10-22T20:52:40 @MarjorieRosenbe @SueAnnan @HanaTicha @David__Boughton @angelos_bollas sorry what did say Marjorie ;) #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2014-10-22T20:53:51 @Shaunwilden @SueAnnan @HanaTicha @David__Boughton @angelos_bollas When and about what? #eltchat
majeed_pk 2014-10-22T20:54:44 As overtesting outcry grows, education leaders pull back on standardized tests http://t.co/Obq0dZpQQ5 #edchat #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-10-22T20:55:22 RT @SueAnnan: We're getting near the end of the chat. Who would love to volunteer to write the summary, please? #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2014-10-22T20:55:27 @David__Boughton Sure they could but acknowledging that some SS dont performwell is part of ethos cultivation @HanaTicha @SueAnnan #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2014-10-22T20:55:30 @MarjorieRosenbe nothing you were talking about sts not listening I was attempting humour #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2014-10-22T20:55:34 RT @SueAnnan: RT @SueAnnan: We're getting near the end of the chat. Who would love to volunteer to write the summary, please? #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-10-22T20:56:45 WE need a summary writer, please #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2014-10-22T20:56:57 Don’t forget to volunteer for the summary #eltchat
David__Boughton 2014-10-22T20:57:19 @angelos_bollas True. Just frustrated because most complaints I dealt with were Ss in a class with weaker Ss. #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2014-10-22T20:57:26 RT @AnthonyGaughan: Have to diff. my instructions/requests: Trainee who can only process unhedged imperatives as instructions. #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2014-10-22T20:57:46 @David__Boughton Same here! #eltchat
HanaTicha 2014-10-22T20:57:54 Just occurred to me it's really helpful to regularly talk to idividual Ss & ask about their feelings & expectations.This helps #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-10-22T20:57:58 @AnthonyGaughan I've got some of those ATM #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2014-10-22T20:58:12 @AnthonyGaughan Don’t forget the hashtag, please! ;) #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2014-10-22T20:59:15 And don’t forget that next week it is lunchtime and we’re on GMT as the clocks change #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-10-22T20:59:38 @Shaunwilden Good point :-) #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2014-10-22T20:59:53 @HanaTicha Interesting. and it helps both strong and weak ones, right? #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-10-22T20:59:54 RT @Shaunwilden: Don’t forget to volunteer for the summary #eltchat
AnthonyGaughan 2014-10-22T21:00:06 @angelos_bollas goes to show how in practice I am with this synchronous chat malarkey... #eltchat
HanaTicha 2014-10-22T21:00:17 @angelos_bollas Yes, and it helps the teacher to plan and adjust #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-10-22T21:01:20 Thanks as always to everyone who took part in this chat. It wouldn't be the same without you all. #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 2014-10-22T21:01:25 RT @SueAnnan: Thanks as always to everyone who took part in this chat. It wouldn't be the same without you all. #ELTchat
angelos_bollas 2014-10-22T21:01:33 RT @HanaTicha: Yes, and it helps the teacher to plan and adjust #eltchat> and perhaps use it as evidence to suggest changes to admin?
Shaunwilden 2014-10-22T21:01:43 Night everyone, see you next week #eltchat
HanaTicha 2014-10-22T21:02:01 Good night #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2014-10-22T21:02:33 Good night everyone. Hope to join next week. #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2014-10-22T21:02:46 @SueAnnan Is anyone writing the summary? #eltchat
MicaelaCarey 2014-10-22T21:03:05 Sorry-missed last part of chat. Goodnight! #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2014-10-22T21:03:23 @SueAnnan Sure! #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2014-10-22T21:03:52 @Shaunwilden Thanks for reminder - weekend has one extra hour! #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-10-22T21:04:00 @angelos_bollas excellent, and many thanks. I'll get you the transcript soonish #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2014-10-22T21:04:23 @SueAnnan :) #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2014-10-22T21:05:03 Good night everyone! See you online! :-) #eltchat

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