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SueAnnan |
2014-10-22T19:59:16 |
RT @ELTchat: How do you deal with Mixed Ability Classes #ELTchat 01/03/2011 http://t.co/DdrRVhtkoM Ready to start in a few minutes |
SueAnnan |
2014-10-22T20:00:24 |
RT @SueAnnan: Good evening #ELTchatters. Is anyone there? #eltchat |
LahiffP |
2014-10-22T20:00:32 |
RT @ELTchat: How do you deal with Mixed Ability Classes #ELTchat 01/03/2011 http://t.co/VadoMKZARK |
naomishema |
2014-10-22T20:00:45 |
Hello #eltchat! this is such a relevant topic for me but I'm so sleepy tonight (23:00), don't know how long i'll last... |
Shaunwilden |
2014-10-22T20:01:04 |
Evening #eltchat |
HanaTicha |
2014-10-22T20:01:11 |
Hello #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
2014-10-22T20:01:15 |
@theteacherjames posted this link on FB http://t.co/QZHIohnvX2 > relevant to today’s #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-10-22T20:01:27 |
@naomishema Hi Naomi. It is a really useful topic. Lurk if you can and then read the summary #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
2014-10-22T20:01:31 |
Hello #eltchat :) |
SueAnnan |
2014-10-22T20:01:58 |
Hi Hana and Angelos #eltchat |
David__Boughton |
2014-10-22T20:02:15 |
RT @ELTchat: How do you deal with Mixed Ability Classes #ELTchat 01/03/2011 http://t.co/ZPwW1quSQg |
LahiffP |
2014-10-22T20:02:31 |
Hi there! #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-10-22T20:02:34 |
How many of you teach mixed ability classes? #eltchat |
HanaTicha |
2014-10-22T20:02:57 |
@SueAnnan I do! Not easy. #eltchat |
naomishema |
2014-10-22T20:03:08 |
I do!!! Today I gave 4 different tests to one class! #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
2014-10-22T20:03:10 |
@SueAnnan I do in summer schools #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-10-22T20:03:17 |
@HanaTicha How mixed are we talking here? #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
2014-10-22T20:03:21 |
@SueAnnan surely the answer to that is everyone? #eltchat |
HanaTicha |
2014-10-22T20:03:53 |
@SueAnnan (A2) B1 - C1 - my guess #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-10-22T20:03:54 |
@Shaunwilden I teach classes with spiky profiles, but is that mixed ability? #eltchat |
David__Boughton |
2014-10-22T20:04:17 |
@SueAnnan I would say most classes are mixed ability. #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-10-22T20:04:25 |
@HanaTicha Wow #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
2014-10-22T20:04:34 |
@SueAnnan Well, according to the previous summary, most classes are mixed ability @Shaunwilden #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
2014-10-22T20:04:44 |
@SueAnnan i think we’re confusion mixed level and mixed ability #eltchat |
HanaTicha |
2014-10-22T20:04:56 |
@David__Boughton @SueAnnan Yes, but some are less diverse than others #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-22T20:05:01 |
Are there any classes that are not mixed ability? #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
2014-10-22T20:05:16 |
@HanaTicha You have much to share, then. How come and they are all in one class? @SueAnnan #eltchat |
MicaelaCarey |
2014-10-22T20:05:26 |
Hi everyone! My classes are a mix too. Bound to happen #eltchat |
naomishema |
2014-10-22T20:05:33 |
There's mixed ability in terms of strong & weak learners & then there is mixed level with wildly different needs. #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-22T20:05:38 |
OK, so what is the diff between mixed level and mixed ability? #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
2014-10-22T20:05:43 |
@Shaunwilden @SueAnnan Aren’t we talking about Differentiated instruction?! #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2014-10-22T20:05:50 |
Hi everyone - i wasn't going to join but decided to take a break from marking and join you - hope this will clear my head #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-10-22T20:05:54 |
@angelos_bollas @HanaTicha I wouldn't say mine were very mixed, except in the BE classes #eltchat |
HanaTicha |
2014-10-22T20:05:58 |
@SueAnnan The class used to be split into 2 groups - tight budget > one big group. #eltchat |
naomishema |
2014-10-22T20:06:20 |
RT @HanaTicha: @SueAnnan The class used to be split into 2 groups - tight budget > one big group. #eltchat > Hear you! |
David__Boughton |
2014-10-22T20:06:21 |
@HanaTicha True, so is the focus today on the really mixed classes? Because those are the real challenges. #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-10-22T20:06:35 |
@HanaTicha That sounds difficult. How do you manage? #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
2014-10-22T20:06:37 |
@theteacherjames @SueAnnan well to differentiate then the class by nature must be mixed no? #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
2014-10-22T20:06:48 |
@MarjorieRosenbe Mixed ability could be same level different abilities (SS strong in different skills) #eltchat |
naomishema |
2014-10-22T20:07:05 |
RT @angelos_bollas: @MarjorieRosenbe Mixed ability could be same level different abilities (SS strong in different skills) #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2014-10-22T20:07:06 |
Here is a nice summary for #AusELTchat on the very same topic we are discussing #ELTchat http://t.co/97VZo77PTe |
MicaelaCarey |
2014-10-22T20:07:28 |
Mixed abilities occur in all classes #eltchat impossible to avoid IMO |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-22T20:07:28 |
@theteacherjames @Shaunwilden @SueAnnan I think so but definition would help. #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
2014-10-22T20:07:30 |
@Marisa_C Oi go away :) #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
2014-10-22T20:07:42 |
@SueAnnan So, ESP tends to be more mixed ability than GE classes? @HanaTicha #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2014-10-22T20:07:44 |
@Shaunwilden ok boss #eltchat byeee |
HanaTicha |
2014-10-22T20:07:50 |
I had a chat with a C1 girl today. She said I demand little from the advanced Ss. But I can see the weak ones suffer too. :( #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-10-22T20:08:38 |
@angelos_bollas @MarjorieRosenbe That's what I call spiky profile #eltchat |
HanaTicha |
2014-10-22T20:08:40 |
@SueAnnan I search the internet more that I did before when I plan a lesson :-) I think more and wake up in the night :-D #eltchat |
naomishema |
2014-10-22T20:09:28 |
I use online homework to give different levels in class tasks suitable for them #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-10-22T20:09:28 |
@angelos_bollas @HanaTicha but that is real life so the skills are useful in BE classes #eltchat |
MicaelaCarey |
2014-10-22T20:09:32 |
@HanaTicha @SueAnnan Sounds very challenging, Hana #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-10-22T20:10:13 |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @theteacherjames @Shaunwilden @SueAnnan I think so but definition would help. #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-22T20:10:32 |
Found: Differentiated instruction is how ts respond to diff sts needs in the classroom by changing content, process and product.#eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-10-22T20:11:09 |
@MarjorieRosenbe is that relevant to level too? #eltchat |
HanaTicha |
2014-10-22T20:11:23 |
I think one needs to find a balance between engaging (cc strong Ss) and adequately challenging (not to scare the weaker ones off) #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-22T20:11:26 |
@naomishema Isn't that more work for you? Do you send HW to each one? #eltchat |
David__Boughton |
2014-10-22T20:11:50 |
@naomishema How does that work? Wouldn't it take lots of time to get different HW for everyone?#eltchat |
naomishema |
2014-10-22T20:11:58 |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @naomishema Isn't that more work for you? Do you send HW to each one? #eltchat > GROUPS, |
theteacherjames |
2014-10-22T20:11:59 |
The topic today is Differentiated Instruction. Here’s a handy definition.http://t.co/G4JlngsvTu#eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
2014-10-22T20:12:01 |
@HanaTicha do different tasks help maintain balance? #eltchat |
David__Boughton |
2014-10-22T20:12:13 |
@MarjorieRosenbe @naomishema My thoughts exactly. #eltchat |
HanaTicha |
2014-10-22T20:12:50 |
The trouble with assigning diff types of activities and HW is that the gap even wides. Becomes even more challenging for the T #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-10-22T20:13:21 |
@HanaTicha do you get the strong ones to help the weaker ones? #eltchat |
MicaelaCarey |
2014-10-22T20:13:33 |
@HanaTicha How many are in the class? Could you get them to work in small groups? #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
2014-10-22T20:14:18 |
@HanaTicha How about assigning different roles to SS? e.g. ‘strong’ SS in one area assist ‘weak’ ones? #eltchat |
naomishema |
2014-10-22T20:14:23 |
H.w tasks I build r easy 2 check but do take time 2 prepare. same acitivty& prepare 4 diff levels. no ss insulted cause it's online #eltchat |
HanaTicha |
2014-10-22T20:14:25 |
@SueAnnan I do but the strong ones are not always willing to help. If you think about it it's not fair to demand that all the time #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-22T20:14:53 |
@theteacherjames That's what I found. Diff Instr seems to talk about weaker and strong sts, does that mean abilities or levels? #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-10-22T20:15:04 |
@HanaTicha I agree, but sometimes they could take on a 'teacher role' for a short while #eltchat |
HanaTicha |
2014-10-22T20:15:41 |
@MicaelaCarey 22 Ss They do work in groups and pairs but I think this doesn't help the strong ones to feel sufficiently challenged #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
2014-10-22T20:16:08 |
Does TBL offer more room for Diff Instr? #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-22T20:16:09 |
@SueAnnan @HanaTicha This is where cooperative learning can be put to good use. Peer-to-peer teaching/learning #eltchat |
HanaTicha |
2014-10-22T20:16:25 |
@SueAnnan Absolutely. The trouble is that they're 17-18 years old and that is a difficult age #eltchat |
naomishema |
2014-10-22T20:16:36 |
When u work with flashcards,WEAK ss can be the teachers too, as they have the answers. works with disappearing texts 2. #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
2014-10-22T20:16:44 |
@MarjorieRosenbe From what I read level doesn’t seem to be part of it, more to do with content, process, product & learning env #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-10-22T20:17:09 |
@HanaTicha Okay. Yes I agree. That's not always an easy age to work with at the best of times #eltchat |
naomishema |
2014-10-22T20:17:20 |
@HanaTicha Mine are that age too. #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
2014-10-22T20:17:44 |
@MarjorieRosenbe I might have been a bit simplistic there. Level is involved, but not the only factor. #eltchat |
MicaelaCarey |
2014-10-22T20:18:05 |
@theteacherjames @MarjorieRosenbe I agree- looks more like abilities than diff in level #eltchat great link, btw |
naomishema |
2014-10-22T20:18:17 |
@David__Boughton Oh, and I give h,w only once a week. #eltchat |
ebefl |
2014-10-22T20:18:22 |
I'll just leave this here and toddle off ;) http://t.co/zg7ebnyHRu #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-10-22T20:18:26 |
Does anyone have a solution? #ELTchat |
HanaTicha |
2014-10-22T20:18:36 |
@SueAnnan Souns like a cliché but I think they push me and I feel I'm improving by being challenged by them. #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
2014-10-22T20:18:58 |
RT @ebefl: I'll just leave this here and toddle off ;) http://t.co/zg7ebnyHRu #eltchat |
HanaTicha |
2014-10-22T20:19:26 |
RT @SueAnnan: Does anyone have a solution? #ELTchat > I'm all ears :-) |
angelos_bollas |
2014-10-22T20:19:34 |
What about giving SS self evaluation forms and asking them to get into groups where there will be balance btwn strong and weak ss? #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-22T20:19:36 |
@MicaelaCarey @theteacherjames So if abilities are different doesn't that eventually affect the language level? #eltchat |
Nouella89 |
2014-10-22T20:20:31 |
Use diverse materials on 1genre/topic #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-22T20:20:40 |
@theteacherjames that's what I posted as well. But we modify these to suit different sts needs - in what way? #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
2014-10-22T20:20:47 |
@angelos_bollas Nice idea do you think they’d do it? #eltchat |
David__Boughton |
2014-10-22T20:20:51 |
We like the strong teach the weak tactic, but how do you all convince/keep motivated the strong students? #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-10-22T20:20:53 |
@MarjorieRosenbe @MicaelaCarey Why ? It could be that overall they have same level, but some read better than others #eltchat |
HanaTicha |
2014-10-22T20:21:13 |
In the past I felt guilty about the weak Ss, now I feel more responsibility for the stronger ones Don't want to waste their talent #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-10-22T20:22:02 |
@HanaTicha Do the strong ones pull the weak ones along with them? #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
2014-10-22T20:22:04 |
@Shaunwilden maybe If they are given a task to complete (and provided that the task is of their interest) #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-22T20:22:14 |
@angelos_bollas Thanks Angelos, that makes sense. #eltchat |
naomishema |
2014-10-22T20:22:16 |
As an activist for struggling learners I strongly agree with @HanaTicha - worry about the strong learners too! #eltchat |
HanaTicha |
2014-10-22T20:22:36 |
@David__Boughton You can try to boost their confidence by telling them how good they are but that doesn't always help #eltchat |
HanaTicha |
2014-10-22T20:23:12 |
@SueAnnan I believe so. The weaker ones must work really hard to keep up. #eltchat |
HanaTicha |
2014-10-22T20:23:27 |
RT @naomishema: As an activist for struggling learners I strongly agree with @HanaTicha - worry about the strong learners too! #eltchat |
David__Boughton |
2014-10-22T20:23:33 |
@HanaTicha Eventually they see through it. They know it's a budget issue, not an academic choice. #eltchat |
HanaTicha |
2014-10-22T20:23:52 |
@David__Boughton Absolutely! #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-22T20:23:53 |
So we are talking about skills I guess - I differentiate by mixing methods. #eltchat Too many for individual instruction. #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
2014-10-22T20:23:56 |
@MarjorieRosenbe For example, "Providing materials that reflect a variety of cultures and home settings” >> not related to level. #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-10-22T20:23:58 |
My trainees have a class of diff students and the weak are pushed by the more able. #eltchat |
MicaelaCarey |
2014-10-22T20:24:04 |
@MarjorieRosenbe @theteacherjames Good point. Maybe incl difsf in level too.According to link also used 4 diff learning styles #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
2014-10-22T20:24:26 |
@MarjorieRosenbe I think level is only one small part of it. #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
2014-10-22T20:24:37 |
Should we show them that some are better at some skills while others are better at other skills? #eltchat |
carol_goodey |
2014-10-22T20:24:43 |
@ebefl @Shaunwilden You can’t toddle off. You’ve distracted me now. Come back!! #eltchat |
HanaTicha |
2014-10-22T20:25:01 |
@MarjorieRosenbe Yes, I agree. Try different styles of presentation and production. #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-10-22T20:25:14 |
@angelos_bollas That would help motivate each of them #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-22T20:25:16 |
Usually my weaker ones are not as proficient, at least in speaking which is what we do in class. #eltchat |
HanaTicha |
2014-10-22T20:25:43 |
RT @angelos_bollas: Should we show them that some are better at some skills while others are better at other skills? #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-10-22T20:25:54 |
@MarjorieRosenbe Mine are weaker in reading or writing, Speaking seems to be better #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
2014-10-22T20:26:03 |
@SueAnnan and reduce (unproductive) competition, I guess #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-10-22T20:26:27 |
@angelos_bollas Yep #eltchat |
naomishema |
2014-10-22T20:26:44 |
sad truth is sometimes struggling learners REALLY benifit from being in a seperate group where they don't worry about losing face #eltchat |
HanaTicha |
2014-10-22T20:27:38 |
@angelos_bollas Yes! Some Ss are hopeless at speaking but they can learn an enormous amount of vocab. #eltchat > Various testing methods. |
HanaTicha |
2014-10-22T20:27:48 |
RT @naomishema: sad truth is sometimes struggling learners REALLY benifit from being in a seperate group where they don't worry about losi… |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-22T20:27:50 |
my stronger ones usually help weaker ones if they like them and don't feel it hinders their own progress #eltchat |
HilaryNunns |
2014-10-22T20:27:52 |
@sueannan sounds wonderful. How do you facilitate that? #eltchat |
carol_goodey |
2014-10-22T20:27:56 |
@ebefl @Shaunwilden This is what happens when a reasonable aim, is bureaucratised and controlled. You differentiate to tick a box #eltchat |
David__Boughton |
2014-10-22T20:28:22 |
@naomishema True, but sadder truth is budget issues come first. #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-10-22T20:28:36 |
I had a class where the first hour was aimed at the weaker sts and the second one for the higher ability. was bizarre, but worked #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-22T20:28:37 |
@carol_goodey @ebefl @Shaunwilden No one tells us to do this - it grows out of necessity at time. #eltchat |
naomishema |
2014-10-22T20:29:20 |
@HanaTicha Some weak kids are great at memorizing vocab but poor readers. only proves reading comp is about more than vocab! #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
2014-10-22T20:29:22 |
@HanaTicha These SS could help others w/ vocab while others could help them w/ speaking. So, each SS is in charge of another #eltchat |
naomishema |
2014-10-22T20:29:24 |
RT @David__Boughton: @naomishema True, but sadder truth is budget issues come first. #eltchat |
HanaTicha |
2014-10-22T20:29:40 |
@SueAnnan Sounds good but doesn't this kind of exposure discriminate the weaker ones? Puts them in a box forever? #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
2014-10-22T20:29:42 |
@carol_goodey @ebefl I am not sure I do it to tick boxes #eltchat |
David__Boughton |
2014-10-22T20:29:42 |
@SueAnnan Did both sets of students participate in both half hours? #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-10-22T20:30:08 |
@David__Boughton yes they did, and it kind of worked #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-10-22T20:30:59 |
@HanaTicha I don't think it did. And the weaker sts did benefit at both levels #eltchat |
HanaTicha |
2014-10-22T20:31:11 |
@naomishema Very true. Some learners just need more time. Slow equals weak > This is not fair #eltchat |
David__Boughton |
2014-10-22T20:31:30 |
@SueAnnan Better than sitting on the sidelines (e.g. independent reading or writing). So there were no hard feelings? #eltchat |
naomishema |
2014-10-22T20:31:38 |
So sorry, it's 11:30 p,m and I can't keep my eyes open. twas a long day and there's another one tomorrow. Good night! #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
2014-10-22T20:31:39 |
@SueAnnan Usually, the ’strong’ ones suffer the most, methinks @HanaTicha #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-22T20:31:58 |
RT @naomishema: @HanaTicha Some weak kids are great at memorizing vocab but poor readers. only proves reading comp is about more than vocab… |
HanaTicha |
2014-10-22T20:32:04 |
@SueAnnan Hm. Interesting. I may give it a thought :-) #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-22T20:32:09 |
RT @HanaTicha: @naomishema Very true. Some learners just need more time. Slow equals weak > This is not fair #eltchat |
MicaelaCarey |
2014-10-22T20:32:30 |
@naomishema Good night! #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-10-22T20:32:38 |
@David__Boughton None at all. The levels were not enormously diff, and everyone got something useful out of each session #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-22T20:33:23 |
@carol_goodey @ebefl @Shaunwilden That's why I often don't read the articles. #eltchat Are these people in the classroom? |
David__Boughton |
2014-10-22T20:33:38 |
@SueAnnan Wow, that's some real buy in from the Ss. Surprised no complaints. #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
2014-10-22T20:33:46 |
@angelos_bollas @SueAnnan @HanaTicha thats an interesting point, i need to ponder that but I sense you might be right :-) #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-22T20:34:13 |
Have to wonder how much of this has to do with learner strategies - some have better ones than others. #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
2014-10-22T20:34:20 |
@MarjorieRosenbe @carol_goodey @ebefl to be fair he wasn’t talking about ELT #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-10-22T20:34:21 |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: Have to wonder how much of this has to do with learner strategies - some have better ones than others. #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-22T20:34:51 |
Maybe we need to teach learner strategies rather than concentrate on differentiation at times. #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-10-22T20:35:11 |
@MarjorieRosenbe interesting point #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
2014-10-22T20:35:17 |
@MarjorieRosenbe This is where collaborative/peer teaching could be very beneficial #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
2014-10-22T20:36:14 |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: Maybe we need to teach learner strategies rather than concentrate on differentiation at times. #eltchat>absolutely! |
HanaTicha |
2014-10-22T20:36:23 |
@MarjorieRosenbe Ironically, the weaker ones often have better learning strategies but less aptitude for learning languages #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-10-22T20:38:04 |
What activities can be diff. in class to benefit everyone? #eltchat |
HanaTicha |
2014-10-22T20:38:24 |
But also, the best Ss get exposed to English outside class voluntarily > better results IN class > higher motivation #eltchat |
RichardBadger2 |
2014-10-22T20:38:34 |
“@ELTchat: How do you use mobile devices in the classroom? #ELTchat Summary 11/01/2012 http://t.co/3ijz3eTgFK” #mlearn #elearn#edtech |
carol_goodey |
2014-10-22T20:38:34 |
@Shaunwilden @MarjorieRosenbe @ebefl I think we agree. Differentiation is essential in all learning groups... #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-22T20:38:40 |
@HanaTicha Another whole can of beans, what makes someone a good/bad language learner? #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
2014-10-22T20:39:16 |
@SueAnnan Writing tasks? different expectations from different SS. #eltchat |
David__Boughton |
2014-10-22T20:39:40 |
@SueAnnan Giving beginner, intermediate, advanced versions of readings takes forever. Who has simplified news articles before? #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-22T20:39:48 |
@SueAnnan Some cooperative learning activities give diff types of questions to diff learners. Slow ones get easier ones. #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-10-22T20:39:51 |
@angelos_bollas Yes. Diff amounts and abilities #eltchat |
HanaTicha |
2014-10-22T20:40:27 |
@angelos_bollas @SueAnnan But unfortunately, when assessing and grading Ss I inevitably compare. The system requires it. #eltchat |
carol_goodey |
2014-10-22T20:40:31 |
@Shaunwilden @MarjorieRosenbe @ebefl It’s when it becomes ‘the thing’ to do, you have to prove you do it, that it becomes a problem #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-10-22T20:40:38 |
@MarjorieRosenbe I often have extra up my sleeve for the quick ones anyway. #eltchat |
David__Boughton |
2014-10-22T20:40:54 |
@angelos_bollas @SueAnnan I think expectations is the key word here. Same task different expectations is key for me. #eltchat |
carol_goodey |
2014-10-22T20:41:07 |
@MarjorieRosenbe @Shaunwilden @ebefl That’s all! :-) I’ll get back to what I was doing now #ELTchat |
MicaelaCarey |
2014-10-22T20:41:35 |
RT@David__Boughton: @angelos_bollas @SueAnnan I think expectations is the key word here.#eltchat I agree |
angelos_bollas |
2014-10-22T20:41:52 |
@HanaTicha What if you make the gap shorter gradually? @SueAnnan #eltchat |
HanaTicha |
2014-10-22T20:41:52 |
@David__Boughton @angelos_bollas @SueAnnan In the state system of edu you can't have diff expectations :-( #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-10-22T20:42:39 |
@HanaTicha @David__Boughton @angelos_bollas But one size doesn't fit all #eltchat |
David__Boughton |
2014-10-22T20:42:47 |
@HanaTicha @angelos_bollas @SueAnnan Yes, doesn't work in the school systems, does it? Language centres it's fine though. #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-22T20:43:02 |
@HanaTicha @angelos_bollas @SueAnnan Agree - but we grade HW, a midterm, final written and final oral so more chance for fairness. #eltchat |
HanaTicha |
2014-10-22T20:43:16 |
@SueAnnan @David__Boughton @angelos_bollas No, but there are certain outcomes I have to achieve. #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-22T20:43:45 |
@carol_goodey @Shaunwilden @ebefl Like anything in teaching. #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
2014-10-22T20:43:55 |
RT @SueAnnan: @HanaTicha @David__Boughton @angelos_bollas But one size doesn't fit all #eltchat |
David__Boughton |
2014-10-22T20:44:30 |
@angelos_bollas @HanaTicha @SueAnnan Isn't that unfair to stronger students? "I'm slowly bringing weaker students up to your level" #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-22T20:44:59 |
@SueAnnan @HanaTicha @David__Boughton @angelos_bollas Been saying that for years. But using all 4 skills makes it fairer to assess #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
2014-10-22T20:44:59 |
@carol_goodey @MarjorieRosenbe @ebefl fair point Carol, when it takes over, like anything it is probably a step too far #eltchat |
HanaTicha |
2014-10-22T20:45:29 |
@David__Boughton @angelos_bollas @SueAnnan This is a vicious circle, isn't it? :-) #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
2014-10-22T20:45:30 |
@David__Boughton Can hw or extra tutorials (delivered by ’strong’ SS) work in schools? @HanaTicha @SueAnnan #eltchat |
AnthonyGaughan |
2014-10-22T20:45:48 |
Hi all, just back from a hard day's differentiation and thought I'd say hello. #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
2014-10-22T20:46:15 |
@David__Boughton Don’t they improve by revising/teaching parts of the syllabus? @HanaTicha @SueAnnan #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-10-22T20:46:23 |
@HanaTicha @David__Boughton @angelos_bollas It certainly appears more difficult in some contexts than others #eltchat |
David__Boughton |
2014-10-22T20:47:27 |
@angelos_bollas @David__Boughton @HanaTicha @SueAnnan Sure, but they aren't happy to be part of a plan to help weaker students. #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-10-22T20:47:40 |
@AnthonyGaughan Hello and welcome #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
2014-10-22T20:47:48 |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @carol_goodey @Shaunwilden @ebefl Like anything in teaching. #eltchat |
David__Boughton |
2014-10-22T20:49:17 |
@SueAnnan @HanaTicha @David__Boughton @angelos_bollas Yes, when students pay $, they don't have patience for our academic trickery. #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-10-22T20:49:22 |
@David__Boughton @angelos_bollas @HanaTicha Unless you can sell it as helping them too #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
2014-10-22T20:49:41 |
@David__Boughton If this is done as part of presentation skills development and not as helping weak SS? @HanaTicha @SueAnnan #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-22T20:50:13 |
@AnthonyGaughan HI Anthony #eltchat |
David__Boughton |
2014-10-22T20:50:14 |
@SueAnnan @angelos_bollas @HanaTicha I find they see through that quickly. #eltchat |
HanaTicha |
2014-10-22T20:50:54 |
Alos, the tendency to assign extra work to stronger SS actually means punishing them. They may think: it's better to be weak. #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-10-22T20:51:00 |
Pairing them up doesn't work as the stronger ones do all the work, I find #ELTchat |
angelos_bollas |
2014-10-22T20:51:10 |
Welcome @AnthonyGaughan. Anything to share from your diff day? #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-22T20:51:13 |
@SueAnnan @HanaTicha @David__Boughton @angelos_bollas I have sts who just don't listen to instructions - difficult #eltchat |
David__Boughton |
2014-10-22T20:52:06 |
@angelos_bollas @HanaTicha @SueAnnan But they could do that without weaker students. They know it's not ideal for them. #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
2014-10-22T20:52:11 |
How can tech help us w/ diff instr? #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-22T20:52:30 |
@SueAnnan Depends on whether stronger ones like helping. Having this problem ATM. #eltchat Stronger ones are suffering. #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
2014-10-22T20:52:40 |
@MarjorieRosenbe @SueAnnan @HanaTicha @David__Boughton @angelos_bollas sorry what did say Marjorie ;) #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-22T20:53:51 |
@Shaunwilden @SueAnnan @HanaTicha @David__Boughton @angelos_bollas When and about what? #eltchat |
majeed_pk |
2014-10-22T20:54:44 |
As overtesting outcry grows, education leaders pull back on standardized tests http://t.co/Obq0dZpQQ5 #edchat #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-10-22T20:55:22 |
RT @SueAnnan: We're getting near the end of the chat. Who would love to volunteer to write the summary, please? #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
2014-10-22T20:55:27 |
@David__Boughton Sure they could but acknowledging that some SS dont performwell is part of ethos cultivation @HanaTicha @SueAnnan #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
2014-10-22T20:55:30 |
@MarjorieRosenbe nothing you were talking about sts not listening I was attempting humour #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
2014-10-22T20:55:34 |
RT @SueAnnan: RT @SueAnnan: We're getting near the end of the chat. Who would love to volunteer to write the summary, please? #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-10-22T20:56:45 |
WE need a summary writer, please #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
2014-10-22T20:56:57 |
Don’t forget to volunteer for the summary #eltchat |
David__Boughton |
2014-10-22T20:57:19 |
@angelos_bollas True. Just frustrated because most complaints I dealt with were Ss in a class with weaker Ss. #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
2014-10-22T20:57:26 |
RT @AnthonyGaughan: Have to diff. my instructions/requests: Trainee who can only process unhedged imperatives as instructions. #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
2014-10-22T20:57:46 |
@David__Boughton Same here! #eltchat |
HanaTicha |
2014-10-22T20:57:54 |
Just occurred to me it's really helpful to regularly talk to idividual Ss & ask about their feelings & expectations.This helps #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-10-22T20:57:58 |
@AnthonyGaughan I've got some of those ATM #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
2014-10-22T20:58:12 |
@AnthonyGaughan Don’t forget the hashtag, please! ;) #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
2014-10-22T20:59:15 |
And don’t forget that next week it is lunchtime and we’re on GMT as the clocks change #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-10-22T20:59:38 |
@Shaunwilden Good point :-) #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
2014-10-22T20:59:53 |
@HanaTicha Interesting. and it helps both strong and weak ones, right? #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-10-22T20:59:54 |
RT @Shaunwilden: Don’t forget to volunteer for the summary #eltchat |
AnthonyGaughan |
2014-10-22T21:00:06 |
@angelos_bollas goes to show how in practice I am with this synchronous chat malarkey... #eltchat |
HanaTicha |
2014-10-22T21:00:17 |
@angelos_bollas Yes, and it helps the teacher to plan and adjust #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-10-22T21:01:20 |
Thanks as always to everyone who took part in this chat. It wouldn't be the same without you all. #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden |
2014-10-22T21:01:25 |
RT @SueAnnan: Thanks as always to everyone who took part in this chat. It wouldn't be the same without you all. #ELTchat |
angelos_bollas |
2014-10-22T21:01:33 |
RT @HanaTicha: Yes, and it helps the teacher to plan and adjust #eltchat> and perhaps use it as evidence to suggest changes to admin? |
Shaunwilden |
2014-10-22T21:01:43 |
Night everyone, see you next week #eltchat |
HanaTicha |
2014-10-22T21:02:01 |
Good night #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-22T21:02:33 |
Good night everyone. Hope to join next week. #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
2014-10-22T21:02:46 |
@SueAnnan Is anyone writing the summary? #eltchat |
MicaelaCarey |
2014-10-22T21:03:05 |
Sorry-missed last part of chat. Goodnight! #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
2014-10-22T21:03:23 |
@SueAnnan Sure! #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-22T21:03:52 |
@Shaunwilden Thanks for reminder - weekend has one extra hour! #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-10-22T21:04:00 |
@angelos_bollas excellent, and many thanks. I'll get you the transcript soonish #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
2014-10-22T21:04:23 |
@SueAnnan :) #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
2014-10-22T21:05:03 |
Good night everyone! See you online! :-) #eltchat |
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