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| SueAnnan |
2014-10-08T19:58:49 |
who's around for tonight's #ELTchat? |
| nathanghall |
2014-10-08T19:59:11 |
@SueAnnan I'm here! #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2014-10-08T19:59:28 |
@nathanghall excellent #eltchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-08T19:59:37 |
Good evening! :) #eltchat |
| naomishema |
2014-10-08T19:59:40 |
@SueAnnan I am for a bit. Been holiday cooking and hosting all day, ready for something else. important topic #eltchat |
| joannacre |
2014-10-08T20:00:17 |
@SueAnnan Hi!!!#eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2014-10-08T20:00:30 |
Lovely to see you all . Welcome to Naomi, Joanna and Luke#eltchat |
| bealer81 |
2014-10-08T20:00:45 |
RT @theteacherjames: My latest blog post on technology & how it 'can' be used in the classroom: Two Little Letters http://t.co/PLQ8FZpokF #… |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-08T20:01:13 |
Evening all #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2014-10-08T20:01:25 |
@Shaunwilden Hi Shaun #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2014-10-08T20:02:11 |
what kind of writing do we want to teach? #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
2014-10-08T20:02:12 |
@SueAnnan good evening Sue :-) #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2014-10-08T20:02:22 |
@theteacherjames Hi #eltchat |
| David__Boughton |
2014-10-08T20:02:27 |
@SueAnnan I am.First #eltchat of the year. |
| SueAnnan |
2014-10-08T20:02:47 |
@David__Boughton great to have you here #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2014-10-08T20:02:47 |
Hi, all :-) #eltchat |
| bealer81 |
2014-10-08T20:02:58 |
Kind of here, but also not. Lurking in the background, as it were. #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
2014-10-08T20:03:04 |
@Shaunwilden good afternoon #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-08T20:03:07 |
Hi everyone welcome back to all on #ELTchat this warm evening in Athens |
| TESLKAIWAN |
2014-10-08T20:03:33 |
#ELTchat hello everyone |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-08T20:03:34 |
@Marisa_C warm? lucky you bloody cold in oxford #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2014-10-08T20:03:57 |
@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C starting to feel nippy here #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-08T20:04:04 |
@Shaunwilden yes! in a light T-shirt with open windows :-) #eltchat |
| nathanghall |
2014-10-08T20:04:15 |
@SueAnnan I mostly teach EAP, so my focus is on academic writing. #eltchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-08T20:05:01 |
@SueAnnan The most important thing is that it is writing they'll use. How often do people now write informal letters to each other? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-08T20:05:04 |
Happy to talk about different genres- and different approaches to teaching writing #eltchat |
| naomishema |
2014-10-08T20:05:10 |
I have to teach short paragraph answers and essay writing #eltchat |
| StudyBundles |
2014-10-08T20:05:22 |
Hi everyone #eltchat |
| joannacre |
2014-10-08T20:05:31 |
@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C well Greece now is like Sheffield in July : ) #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2014-10-08T20:05:33 |
MY colleagues often make writing a homework project as they think it wastes time in class :-( #eltchat |
| TESLKAIWAN |
2014-10-08T20:05:42 |
RT @01LPearson: @SueAnnan The most important thing is that it is writing they'll use. How often do people now write informal letters to eac… |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-08T20:05:55 |
RT @01LPearson: @SueAnnan The most important thing is that it is writing they'll use. How often do people now write informal letters to eac… |
| SueAnnan |
2014-10-08T20:06:21 |
@01LPearson @Shaunwilden Good point. But emails are always useful #eltchat |
| nathanghall |
2014-10-08T20:06:35 |
@SueAnnan Interesting. I used to think that way, but now I feel it is important to be there to support them #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-08T20:06:38 |
@SueAnnan This is quite a common ‘approach’ I think #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2014-10-08T20:07:11 |
@Shaunwilden I suppose you still have to do the prep in class, though #eltchat |
| joannacre |
2014-10-08T20:07:17 |
@SueAnnan hmmm yeah some t do that. Writing in class can be beneficial for both the T and the sts #eltchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-08T20:07:19 |
@SueAnnan @Shaunwilden I totally agree, writing should be done in class, the process is as important as the result! #eltchat |
| naomishema |
2014-10-08T20:07:27 |
RT @01LPearson: @SueAnnan @Shaunwilden I totally agree, writing should be done in class, the process is as important as the result! #eltchat |
| David__Boughton |
2014-10-08T20:07:35 |
If students had a choice, they would learn writing for What's App, Facebook, texting, etc. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-08T20:08:00 |
@David__Boughton Is that a bad thing? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-08T20:08:03 |
Most Ts set writing as HW - a focus on the genres and the process tho needs class time #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2014-10-08T20:08:15 |
@David__Boughton you could start with that- harness the enthusiasm ;-) #eltchat |
| David__Boughton |
2014-10-08T20:08:31 |
@nathanghall Ture, but how do you support them without doing too much. #eltchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-08T20:08:36 |
@David__Boughton That's brilliant if that's what they're gonna use! #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
2014-10-08T20:08:41 |
@01LPearson Or movie reviews, or folk tales, or... (I could go on). Totally agree. #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2014-10-08T20:09:07 |
RT @Marisa_C: Most Ts set writing as HW - a focus on the genres and the process tho needs class time #eltchat |
| naomishema |
2014-10-08T20:09:12 |
The writing prompts are easy, its the feedback that is the problem for me! #eltchat |
| StudyBundles |
2014-10-08T20:09:15 |
How do we keep learners enthusiastic with writing? Majority of my teens favour s&l during class #eltchat |
| nathanghall |
2014-10-08T20:09:18 |
@David__Boughton I break everything down into smaller chunks and work towards a larger goal. #eltchat |
| naomishema |
2014-10-08T20:09:30 |
RT @nathanghall: @David__Boughton I break everything down into smaller chunks and work towards a larger goal. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-08T20:09:35 |
@naomishema In what way? #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
2014-10-08T20:09:46 |
@01LPearson @SueAnnan @Shaunwilden difficult to do writing in class if you only have a few hours per week though #eltchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-08T20:09:47 |
@theteacherjames But writing songs and stories are things Ss do on their own! :) Therefore those should be the focus! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-08T20:10:02 |
@David__Boughton @nathanghall the amount of support is always a question #eltchat |
| StudyBundles |
2014-10-08T20:10:08 |
@David__Boughton WhatsApp - could you make a class group? #eltchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-08T20:10:35 |
@theteacherjames @SueAnnan @Shaunwilden Absolutely, but it's importance can be lost and it is worth spending some time on. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-08T20:10:42 |
why not fit support to the needs and indivlevels - this means monitoring differnt in writing activs; #eltchat |
| naomishema |
2014-10-08T20:10:42 |
@Shaunwilden How much 2 correct, how 2 get them to read the comments & correct their mistakes, different ss make different errors #eltchat |
| nathanghall |
2014-10-08T20:11:15 |
@StudyBundles This is obviously going to depend on the Ss and their motivation for being there. #eltchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-08T20:11:36 |
@naomishema This was the thing I really wanted to talk about. The best idea I've seen recently is Learner Directed Feedback #eltchat |
| David__Boughton |
2014-10-08T20:11:41 |
@StudyBundles Not sure. I still don't use What's App. I'm too old for What's App, young enough for Facebook. Like most of us....#eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2014-10-08T20:11:49 |
perhaps you could get students to blog? #eltchat |
| StudyBundles |
2014-10-08T20:12:06 |
@naomishema @Shaunwilden can you explain that a little Luke? #eltchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-08T20:12:16 |
@SueAnnan Yeah, if you find a topic they're interested in then it's great! #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-08T20:12:21 |
@naomishema sounds like a good case for peer correction and collaborative writing #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2014-10-08T20:12:30 |
Flipped class would be ideal for teaching writing. Preteach basic rules and the discuss in the lesson. Topic from last week. #eltchat |
| naomishema |
2014-10-08T20:12:32 |
RT @01LPearson: The best idea I've seen recently is Learner Directed Feedback #eltchat > what's that? |
| David__Boughton |
2014-10-08T20:12:43 |
@Marisa_C Sure is. Isn't writing an individual task anyway? I don't have support when I write emails at work. #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
2014-10-08T20:13:12 |
@naomishema @Shaunwilden Feedback on Written Work | English Language Teachinghttps://t.co/LtapGvr39n #eltchat #elt |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-08T20:13:18 |
@StudyBundles It's basically the idea that students ask you to feedback on the things want! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-08T20:13:20 |
@David__Boughton sure you don't - you re not a learner tho no? #Eltchat |
| joannacre |
2014-10-08T20:13:28 |
@01LPearson @naomishema I do a lot of that in my EAP classes. Sts really get into that #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-08T20:13:42 |
@Marisa_C @David__Boughton Oo how old is too old for what’s app? #eltchat |
| StudyBundles |
2014-10-08T20:13:46 |
@nathanghall absolutely. Suppose relevance is key but really don't think my ss have too much call for writing in their lives #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2014-10-08T20:14:18 |
We had a Moodle course teaching academic writing. It was very helpful. Better than in class I think. More time to process things #eltchat |
| David__Boughton |
2014-10-08T20:14:25 |
@Marisa_C No, but should we set a pattern? Maybe too much support makes it impossible to break away from it. #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
2014-10-08T20:14:31 |
@StudyBundles @David__Boughton I give print outs to my students of the class what’s app conversations with little suggestions. #eltchat |
| naomishema |
2014-10-08T20:14:31 |
RT @Shaunwilden: @naomishema sounds like a good case for peer correction and collaborative writing #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2014-10-08T20:14:32 |
My Scientists have to write reports, but hardly any of my other students do more than send emails #eltchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-08T20:14:34 |
@joannacre @naomishema I haven't had a great amount of opportunity to practice it since hearing about it, how well does it work #eltchat |
| nathanghall |
2014-10-08T20:14:34 |
@StudyBundles Where as my Ss will end up using it almost immediately as they transfer into the main program #eltchat |
| joannacre |
2014-10-08T20:15:02 |
@01LPearson @StudyBundles lrns ask questions about their writing #eltchat |
| David__Boughton |
2014-10-08T20:15:04 |
@Shaunwilden I believe 24.5 is the cut off. lol #eltchat |
| StudyBundles |
2014-10-08T20:15:12 |
@01LPearson sounds interesting! The flavour of the month at my college is 'medal and mission' feedback #eltchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-08T20:15:15 |
@joannacre @naomishema And does it work better with different types of Ss or ages? Take some training of the Ss for it? #eltchat |
| naomishema |
2014-10-08T20:15:27 |
RT @01LPearson: @joannacre @naomishema And does it work better with different types of Ss or ages? Take some training of the Ss for it? #el… |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-08T20:15:36 |
@StudyBundles What's that? Not heard of it. #eltchat |
| nathanghall |
2014-10-08T20:15:38 |
@David__Boughton @Marisa_C But too little and they get discouraged and frustrated. Always a fine line with support. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-08T20:15:42 |
@David__Boughton Support can mean outright correction or hint or pointing out sth that needs fixing #ELTchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-08T20:15:51 |
#eltchat hi there - sorry clocking in later - trying to catch up! |
| joannacre |
2014-10-08T20:15:58 |
@01LPearson @naomishema lrns are more critical of their work #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-08T20:16:09 |
@StudyBundles @01LPearson oo do expand on medal and mission #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-08T20:16:23 |
@David__Boughton @nathanghall Class writing great opportunity for individualized attention IMOH #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2014-10-08T20:16:31 |
@cerirhiannon Hi Ceri. We're talking about getting students writing and how to balance feedback #eltchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-08T20:16:34 |
@Marisa_C @David__Boughton I'd personally never go with outright correction. It robs the opportunity to correct from the Ss #eltchat |
| nathanghall |
2014-10-08T20:16:38 |
@naomishema @Shaunwilden I use a lot of recorded oral feedback. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-08T20:17:01 |
RT @nathanghall: @naomishema @Shaunwilden I use a lot of recorded oral feedback. #eltchat great idea oh hail Russel #eltchat |
| naomishema |
2014-10-08T20:17:02 |
@joannacre @01LPearson Maybe adults are more critical, but with teens it varies widely. they didn't ask to be in school... #eltchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-08T20:17:07 |
@joannacre @naomishema Isn't that always the case? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-08T20:17:16 |
@01LPearson @Marisa_C @David__Boughton meaning you use those cryptic correction codes? #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
2014-10-08T20:17:23 |
RT @01LPearson: @Marisa_C @David__Boughton I'd personally never go with outright correction. It robs the opportunity to correct from the Ss… |
| nathanghall |
2014-10-08T20:17:30 |
@01LPearson @Marisa_C @David__Boughton I think there is a place for outright correction, but needs to be chosen carefully. #eltchat |
| KarkookM |
2014-10-08T20:17:52 |
RT @ELTchat: How to teach writing - including useful ways of giving feedback - most votes so far so this is the topic for our #ELTchat in a… |
| naomishema |
2014-10-08T20:17:55 |
@Marisa_C Ha Ha, no oral feedback with my deaf and hard of hearing kids. I know Russel's lovely suggestions, sigh. #eltchat |
| David__Boughton |
2014-10-08T20:17:55 |
@nathanghall Always a fine line. Agreed. #eltchat |
| K_Sco |
2014-10-08T20:18:03 |
Hi all. I find in 1 class there can be a huge variation in writing level, and as a solitary endeavour this can cause timing issues #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-08T20:18:06 |
@Shaunwilden not while monitoring - but i may use color highlights after for delayed FB #eltchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-08T20:18:23 |
@Shaunwilden Yeah, sometimes! That's why I'm interested in Learner-Directed. I prefer the idea of an open dialogue about the work. #eltchat |
| naomishema |
2014-10-08T20:18:28 |
RT @K_Sco: Hi all. I find in 1 class there can be a huge variation in writing level, and as a solitary endeavour this can cause timing issu… |
| joannacre |
2014-10-08T20:18:31 |
@nathanghall @naomishema @Shaunwilden and one to one tutorials. Altho time consum v. beneficial #eltchat |
| StudyBundles |
2014-10-08T20:18:38 |
@nathanghall all contexts vary of course. Think I need to help my ss see why writing is imptnt rather than be persuaded othrwse #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2014-10-08T20:18:41 |
@Marisa_C @Shaunwilden I like the idea of colours #ELTchat |
| David__Boughton |
2014-10-08T20:18:58 |
@Shaunwilden Never learned those codes. Doesn't bother me now because all my corrections are on MS Word. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-08T20:19:02 |
We have been experimenting with handing criteria for peer evaluation to Ss - works well #eltchat |
| nathanghall |
2014-10-08T20:19:04 |
@K_Sco That's why I work on separate pieces so Ss can work at their own pace. #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
2014-10-08T20:19:18 |
Trouble with trying to find realistic writing tasks is you won’t have much to do. Better to think of writing as a way of revising. #eltchat |
| naomishema |
2014-10-08T20:19:22 |
@SueAnnan @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden Used colors for a while. effective but caused quick teacher burnout. couldn't keep up. #eltchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-08T20:19:25 |
@nathanghall @Marisa_C @David__Boughton When do you mean? Do you have any examples? :) @Marisa_C #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-08T20:19:32 |
@SueAnnan thanks Sue :) #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-08T20:19:43 |
@SueAnnan colours can mean categories like vocab or degree of seriousness of error #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-08T20:20:11 |
RT @theteacherjames: Better to think of writing as a way of revising. #eltchat > and of learning/processing/activating |
| SueAnnan |
2014-10-08T20:20:25 |
@Marisa_C Great idea. Might use it with my trainees, if you don't mind me pinching your idea :-) #eltchat |
| joannacre |
2014-10-08T20:20:25 |
@SueAnnan @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden I am colour blind so I go with error codes or circles and shapes :P #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-08T20:20:44 |
I think class writing is great for training but to get better Ss need to write LOTS so ideas for HX writing welcome too #ELtchat |
| naomishema |
2014-10-08T20:20:48 |
@nathanghall @Shaunwilden can't use recorded feedback with my kids who don't hear well! #eltchat |
| David__Boughton |
2014-10-08T20:21:02 |
@theteacherjames Do you mean because outside of email and social networking, adults don't write? #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2014-10-08T20:21:13 |
RT @David__Boughton: @theteacherjames Do you mean because outside of email and social networking, adults don't write? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-08T20:21:17 |
@SueAnnan no way! !!! @@@@ #ELTchat :-D |
| StudyBundles |
2014-10-08T20:21:22 |
@Shaunwilden @01LPearson 'in text' feedback via marking codes, post text give a 'medal' (what was gd) and a 'mission' (target(s)) #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-08T20:21:35 |
RT @cerirhiannon: I've written about a correct "experiment" here working with noticing and redrafting https://t.co/C3ubHrFmRG #eltchat |
| joannacre |
2014-10-08T20:21:39 |
@Marisa_C yeah that works well with my exam classes and EAp classes. haven't tried it with young lrns #eltchat |
| naomishema |
2014-10-08T20:22:01 |
RT @cerirhiannon: RT @cerirhiannon: I've written about a correct "experiment" here working with noticing and redrafting https://t.co/C3ubHr… |
| nathanghall |
2014-10-08T20:22:32 |
@01LPearson @Marisa_C @David__Boughton Not off the top of my head, but to say never is a bit too much. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-08T20:22:32 |
@joannacre me neither but some trainees have - tho not sure how #eltchat have tried it with teens tho and it works well - Ss assign mark |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-08T20:22:50 |
@naomishema #eltchat you can use jing for animated written feedback without the audio maybe? |
| SueAnnan |
2014-10-08T20:22:55 |
I think feedback has to be constructive, so good need s to be mentioned too. #eltchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-08T20:22:56 |
@StudyBundles @Shaunwilden That's good, clear! I like it! :) #eltchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-08T20:23:12 |
@nathanghall @Marisa_C @David__Boughton Yeah, alright! Fair point! :) #eltchat |
| joannacre |
2014-10-08T20:23:12 |
So what about direct correction? What if sth does not make any sense? what do you do then? #eltchat |
| K_Sco |
2014-10-08T20:23:14 |
What does everyone think of ss correcting each other's work? Have found it good at high levels only C1+ #eltchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-08T20:23:20 |
RT @SueAnnan: I think feedback has to be constructive, so good need s to be mentioned too. #eltchat |
| bealer81 |
2014-10-08T20:23:29 |
RT @K_Sco: Hi all. I find in 1 class there can be a huge variation in writing level, and as a solitary endeavour this can cause timing issu… |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-08T20:23:49 |
@SueAnnan Absolutely! How many of u remember to put LOTS of ticks for nice bits? #eltchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-08T20:23:55 |
@K_Sco I dunno, I've done it with lower levels, Ss just need to be trained to it. Helps them spot errors in their own work too! #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-08T20:24:01 |
@nathanghall @naomishema To do what? I guess it would record bits you highlight? #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2014-10-08T20:24:03 |
@joannacre Underline. Add a question mark, ask for clarification #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-08T20:24:14 |
@K_Sco just mentioned peer correction works really well #eltchat |
| David__Boughton |
2014-10-08T20:24:15 |
@cerirhiannon I love Jing or any screencasting. But why no audio? You get different/better results? #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-08T20:24:21 |
RT @K_Sco: What does everyone think of ss correcting each other's work? #eltchat > ss can be trained to give gr8 fb on content and style |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-08T20:24:32 |
RT @cerirhiannon: RT @K_Sco: What does everyone think of ss correcting each other's work? #eltchat > ss can be trained to give gr8 fb on c… |
| SueAnnan |
2014-10-08T20:24:42 |
I'm doing TT at the moment and I'm not sure I trust trainees with correction, never mind student peers :-) LOL #ELTchat |
| joannacre |
2014-10-08T20:24:59 |
@SueAnnan sandwich feedback. I also ask them to tell me what THEY think is good about their writing #eltchat |
| bealer81 |
2014-10-08T20:25:01 |
I prefer sts to send written work via Microsoft word. Allows me to make use of the notes tool. Easy to read, more space, no red pen #ELTchat |
| naomishema |
2014-10-08T20:25:03 |
@cerirhiannon @nathanghall it's good for limited use. speaking so much quicker too much work for everyday. I teach 6 days a week! #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-08T20:25:06 |
@David__Boughton #eltchat @naomishema `s students are deaf :) |
| nathanghall |
2014-10-08T20:25:21 |
@Shaunwilden @naomishema I was thinking that you could point out things, say side-by-side. Like I said, not sure. #eltchat |
| naomishema |
2014-10-08T20:25:37 |
RT @bealer81: I prefer sts to send written work via Microsoft word. Allows me to make use of the notes tool. Easy to read, more space, no r… |
| naomishema |
2014-10-08T20:25:52 |
RT @nathanghall: @Shaunwilden @naomishema I was thinking that you could point out things, say side-by-side. Like I said, not sure. #eltchat |
| StudyBundles |
2014-10-08T20:25:52 |
@cerirhiannon @K_Sco definitely a good habit to promote, can work across the board given time! #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2014-10-08T20:25:53 |
@joannacre Nice :-) #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-08T20:25:53 |
@nathanghall @naomishema Yes sorry was being critical was thinking aloud, side by side is a gd idea #eltchat |
| David__Boughton |
2014-10-08T20:25:56 |
@K_Sco Especially with multicultural classes. Those with different alphabets (Saudi, Chinese, etc.) are at a much different level. #eltchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-08T20:26:14 |
@K_Sco Yeah. But that's somethign they might just have to deal with ...? #eltchat |
| nathanghall |
2014-10-08T20:26:27 |
@Shaunwilden @naomishema No problem at all. :) #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-08T20:26:50 |
#eltchat example of negotiated correction 1 on 1, shared by email with whole class so every1 sees the corrections https://t.co/kokAhELURq |
| HanaTicha |
2014-10-08T20:27:17 |
@joannacre @SueAnnan Thanks for the concept of sandwich feedback, Joanna. Found it very useful recently #eltchat |
| naomishema |
2014-10-08T20:27:21 |
@cerirhiannon will that work with sensitive teens - everyone seeing the mistakes? #eltchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-08T20:27:45 |
@joannacre @SueAnnan Could you expand on sandwich feedback for me please? :) #eltchat |
| joannacre |
2014-10-08T20:27:51 |
@cerirhiannon @K_Sco In EAP it's a good idea. U get engineers looking at other eng's content. Dunno anything about their content! #eltchat |
| bealer81 |
2014-10-08T20:28:00 |
@K_Sco I find them reluctant to do it. Usually lots of shoulder shrugs. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-08T20:28:09 |
I tend to give fb on academic writing - delta essays - so the comments function on word is great plus a colour code or a jing #eltchat |
| David__Boughton |
2014-10-08T20:28:17 |
@SueAnnan @cerirhiannon @naomishema Ah, then it would be perfect. Screencasting or Trackbacks a great resource in that situation. #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-08T20:28:19 |
RT @naomishema:everyone seeing the mistakes? #eltchat > we built up to it slowly & culture of learning thru mistakes but they were adults |
| nathanghall |
2014-10-08T20:28:31 |
@naomishema @Shaunwilden Show examples of similar mistakes and how to correct. Could save and use w/ many Ss #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2014-10-08T20:28:37 |
RT @01LPearson: @joannacre @SueAnnan Could you expand on sandwich feedback for me please? :) #eltchat |
| naomishema |
2014-10-08T20:28:41 |
RT @nathanghall: @naomishema @Shaunwilden Show examples of similar mistakes and how to correct. Could save and use w/ many Ss #eltchat |
| naomishema |
2014-10-08T20:28:45 |
RT @cerirhiannon: RT @naomishema:everyone seeing the mistakes? #eltchat > we built up to it slowly & culture of learning thru mistakes but … |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-08T20:28:46 |
@Marisa_C Yeah these days for academic work I much prefer screen recording #eltchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-08T20:28:51 |
@cerirhiannon @naomishema I think it's about building it up, yes! If you keep at it they'll fall in line! :) #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-08T20:29:01 |
RT @Marisa_C:fb on academic writing - delta essays - the comments function on word is great plus a colour code or a jing #eltchat > me too |
| theteacherjames |
2014-10-08T20:29:12 |
@David__Boughton Basically, yeah. Only in business classes & exam prep do I find a need to write. It’s a shame, I love teaching it! #eltchat |
| joannacre |
2014-10-08T20:29:23 |
@HanaTicha @SueAnnan U know what's even better? get the sts to find the good points. Mine find that hard !!! #eltchat |
| naomishema |
2014-10-08T20:29:35 |
RT @joannacre: @HanaTicha @SueAnnan U know what's even better? get the sts to find the good points. Mine find that hard !!! #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-08T20:29:46 |
#eltchat to encourage redrafting the onus needs to be on the message and saying what you want to say |
| StudyBundles |
2014-10-08T20:29:50 |
@cerirhiannon wow! That's amazing :) The s is clearly benefitting hugely! Can you keep this up with a full class? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-08T20:29:59 |
@joannacre @HanaTicha @SueAnnan Agree with you that when given authority Ss tend to be STRICTER!!!! #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2014-10-08T20:30:01 |
@joannacre @SueAnnan yes, that needs a lot of training #eltchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-08T20:30:02 |
@theteacherjames @David__Boughton What about writing for pleasure, informal emails, stories, even IMing is a practicable skill? #eltchat |
| redpensbluepens |
2014-10-08T20:30:18 |
@Marisa_C too right. Far too many assumptions re sts already being confident about processes/genres made. #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-08T20:30:37 |
RT @StudyBundles:Can you keep this up with a full class? #eltchat this was with a class of 8 once a week |
| joannacre |
2014-10-08T20:30:43 |
@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C well a lot of feedback for academic work is on Turnitin. Not a fan of that :( #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-08T20:31:03 |
So how do you teach writing - do u connect it with reading and what kinds of activities do u use? #eltchat |
| StudyBundles |
2014-10-08T20:31:22 |
@nathanghall @naomishema @Shaunwilden nice! #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2014-10-08T20:31:31 |
@Marisa_C I think it can work in a multi-skills lesson #eltchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-08T20:31:37 |
One thing I think is really important is making sure students fully engage with the feedback. How do you go about this? #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2014-10-08T20:31:59 |
@Marisa_C I think the teachers must write themselves to know how hard it is / easier to teach then #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-08T20:32:24 |
RT @HanaTicha: @Marisa_C I think the teachers must write themselves to know how hard it is / easier to teach then #eltchat > SOOO right!!! |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-08T20:32:24 |
@01LPearson One way is by trying to highlight as many positives as possible so enraged to read the feedback #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-08T20:32:37 |
RT @01LPearson: studentsengage with the feedback. How do you go about this? #eltchat > by starting a conversation, making it a two-way thing |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-08T20:32:37 |
@Marisa_C Generally, providing a model, working with it, producing your own, then peer feedback. #eltchat |
| nathanghall |
2014-10-08T20:32:58 |
@HanaTicha @Marisa_C Completely agree! #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-08T20:33:01 |
@01LPearson Ask them beforehand what they want feedback on? #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-08T20:33:13 |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @HanaTicha: @Marisa_C Ts must write themselves to know how hard it is #eltchat > SOOO right!!! > agree :) |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-08T20:33:22 |
@naomishema @01LPearson haha yes well enraging them would work as well :-) #eltchat |
| joannacre |
2014-10-08T20:33:34 |
@Marisa_C writing criteria+ error codes+ peer correction (sts in groups of four giving feedback on spec points) #eltchat |
| David__Boughton |
2014-10-08T20:33:40 |
@01LPearson @theteacherjames I love teaching it too. But do Ss really need to learn to IM? No consequences of writing a mess on IM. #eltchat |
| Wiktor_K |
2014-10-08T20:33:51 |
Dear me. Got side-tracked by Bake Off. Hello all, lurking furiously now to catch up! #eltchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-08T20:33:52 |
@Shaunwilden I still think you have the problem of Ss glancing over it and then never looking at it again. having a dialogue impor. #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2014-10-08T20:33:53 |
@Shaunwilden @naomishema @01LPearson would work for letters of complaint :-) #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-08T20:34:04 |
RT @Marisa_C: and what kinds of activities do u use? #eltchat > I love using micro writing tasks |
| StudyBundles |
2014-10-08T20:34:10 |
@cerirhiannon do you think it's possible with more - 20 ss 3 times a week? Perhaps focus on this fdbck method just once p/w? #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
2014-10-08T20:34:23 |
@01LPearson @David__Boughton Well, I try, but I’m not sure many enjoy it so I’m trying to encourage a more personal, journal style #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-08T20:34:25 |
RT @cerirhiannon: RT @Marisa_C: and what kinds of activities do u use? #eltchat > I love using micro writing tasks > fully with you |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-08T20:34:27 |
@01LPearson make sure there is time decimated for them to read over it in class #eltchat |
| naomishema |
2014-10-08T20:34:39 |
@01LPearson On tests that involve writing I raise the grade by five points if ss actually correct their errors. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-08T20:34:48 |
@cerirhiannon writing lessons need very careful microplanning #eltchat |
| joannacre |
2014-10-08T20:35:05 |
@Marisa_C @HanaTicha Oh yeah!!!! You know what to focus on if u do some writing urself!! U practice what u preach/teach #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-08T20:35:21 |
#eltchat - link to slideshow/webinar about micro writing (for later if you're interested) https://t.co/ZrjvHuJcMq |
| K_Sco |
2014-10-08T20:35:22 |
@01LPearson @Marisa_C Exactly this for something specific like IELTS task 1 writing #eltchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-08T20:35:30 |
@Shaunwilden Do think a greater level of response is important though; maybe not completely redrafting but demonstrating engagement #eltchat |
| StudyBundles |
2014-10-08T20:35:39 |
@joannacre @Marisa_C that seems nice and focused - will give it a try! #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-08T20:35:54 |
RT @Marisa_C: @cerirhiannon writing lessons need very careful microplanning #eltchat > agree and building up step by step |
| janoreso |
2014-10-08T20:36:00 |
Sometimes good to write a model, but don't show it until after they've had a first draft. Then Ss compare/notice/correct. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-08T20:36:02 |
RT @cerirhiannon: RT @Marisa_C: @cerirhiannon writing lessons need very careful microplanning #eltchat > agree and building up step by step |
| joannacre |
2014-10-08T20:36:02 |
@cerirhiannon @Marisa_C what about rewriting stuff? Do u get sts to give u 2nd/3rd drafts of sth? #eltchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-08T20:36:09 |
RT @janoreso: Sometimes good to write a model, but don't show it until after they've had a first draft. Then Ss compare/notice/correct. #el… |
| HanaTicha |
2014-10-08T20:36:09 |
@Marisa_C @cerirhiannon Honestly, when the writing unit is approaaching I always get nervous. How to plan effectively?, etc. #eltchat |
| nathanghall |
2014-10-08T20:36:16 |
@K_Sco Works only when Ss are well prepared. Did a little digging into the subject and wrote about it here: http://t.co/7apcNfEv26 #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-08T20:36:27 |
I think for EAP or ESP or exam classes the tasks are givens; it's the rest of the Ss we need to choose tasks for more carefully #eltchat |
| David__Boughton |
2014-10-08T20:36:31 |
@theteacherjames @01LPearson Everyone asks for speaking. It is tough to teach writing when they can't apply it. #eltchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-08T20:36:33 |
@joannacre @cerirhiannon @Marisa_C Yes, even without feedback between stages, Ss work will improve each time! #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2014-10-08T20:36:54 |
@joannacre Great idea with drafts - I loved your post, Joanna #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-08T20:37:05 |
@01LPearson term if pressed I would say no not really but it does depend on class context etc #eltchat |
| nathanghall |
2014-10-08T20:37:09 |
@joannacre @cerirhiannon @Marisa_C My Ss can write rewrite as much as they want. I figure they are still writing! #eltchat |
| StudyBundles |
2014-10-08T20:37:12 |
RT @David__Boughton: @theteacherjames @01LPearson Everyone asks for speaking. It is tough to teach writing when they can't apply it. #eltch… |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-08T20:37:17 |
RT @joannacre: @cerirhiannon @Marisa_CDo u get sts to give u 2nd/3rd drafts? #eltchat > yes, I've posted a couple of links with egs |
| MsAxthelm |
2014-10-08T20:37:18 |
RT @cerirhiannon: RT @Marisa_C: @cerirhiannon writing lessons need very careful microplanning #eltchat > agree and building up step by step |
| naomishema |
2014-10-08T20:37:43 |
RT @nathanghall: @joannacre @cerirhiannon @Marisa_C My Ss can write rewrite as much as they want. I figure they are still writing! #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-08T20:37:45 |
RT @nathanghall: @joannacre @cerirhiannon @Marisa_C My Ss can write rewrite as much as they want. I figure they are still writing! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-08T20:38:07 |
I do as well (ask for 2nd/3rd drafts? #eltchat - part of the early stages of training |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-08T20:38:13 |
@naomishema That's good! Are they aware of this? Or is it something you do without telling them? #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-08T20:38:20 |
RT @David__Boughton: @theteacherjames @01LPearson Everyone asks for speaking. #eltchat > but easy to integrate writing with speaking |
| HanaTicha |
2014-10-08T20:38:23 |
Always good to put away the 1st draft for a while and come back to it. New lang comes to mind and errors become salient #eltchat |
| joannacre |
2014-10-08T20:38:25 |
@HanaTicha thanks : ) I love ur posts as well #eltchat |
| janoreso |
2014-10-08T20:38:34 |
Usual process: Fast 1st attempt (no input). Then compare to T model. Then redraft. Then peer correct. Then final draft. #eltchat |
| MsAxthelm |
2014-10-08T20:38:40 |
I enjoy using mentor text and having students try the strategies they like. #ELTchat |
| naomishema |
2014-10-08T20:38:55 |
@01LPearson Oh they know about the extra five points. and they care (most at least!) #eltchat |
| naomishema |
2014-10-08T20:39:12 |
RT @MsAxthelm: I enjoy using mentor text and having students try the strategies they like. #ELTchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-08T20:39:16 |
@HanaTicha That's a nice idea, I can imagine some of the faces of my Ss upon seeing a piece of work they did three months ago! :D #eltchat |
| janoreso |
2014-10-08T20:39:28 |
@HanaTicha Always good to put away the 1st draft for a while and come back to it. New lang etc #eltchat Good point! Hadn't considered it |
| MsAxthelm |
2014-10-08T20:39:29 |
Sometimes I use a wordless comic and ask students to "write the story" as a way to practice #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2014-10-08T20:39:45 |
@01LPearson @HanaTicha it would be great to see the improvement #eltchat |
| David__Boughton |
2014-10-08T20:39:59 |
@MsAxthelm What's mentor text? #eltchat |
| MsAxthelm |
2014-10-08T20:40:13 |
RT @01LPearson: @HanaTicha That's a nice idea, I can imagine some of the faces of my Ss upon seeing a piece of work they did three months a… |
| janoreso |
2014-10-08T20:40:25 |
@MsAxthelm Sometimes I use a wordless comic and ask students to "write the story" #ELTchat Great way to use authentic comics! |
| HanaTicha |
2014-10-08T20:40:30 |
@01LPearson Activities such as a letter to my future self, to future generation, etc. can be useful and fun #eltchat |
| MsAxthelm |
2014-10-08T20:40:38 |
RT @HanaTicha: Always good to put away the 1st draft for a while and come back to it. New lang comes to mind and errors become salient #elt… |
| joannacre |
2014-10-08T20:40:55 |
@MsAxthelm I also ask to see the plan of an essay coz often my sts just start writing #eltchat |
| naomishema |
2014-10-08T20:41:02 |
RT @MsAxthelm: Sometimes I use a wordless comic ...> Works with video clips without dialogue too #ELTchat |
| David__Boughton |
2014-10-08T20:41:04 |
@cerirhiannon @theteacherjames @01LPearson I guess everything can be integrated when you work at it. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-08T20:41:06 |
I think I am preaching to the converts but many Ts tend to only focus on grammar & vocab when they correct - what other areas pls? #eltchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-08T20:41:12 |
RT @HanaTicha: @01LPearson Activities such as a letter to my future self, to future generation, etc. can be useful and fun #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-08T20:41:26 |
@janoreso @MsAxthelm these days you can take that a set further and use apps etc to get sts making their own comics from scratch #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2014-10-08T20:41:34 |
@Marisa_C style, tone, register, task achievment #eltchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-08T20:41:41 |
@Marisa_C Content, range of language, ideas, interest holding ... #eltchat |
| joannacre |
2014-10-08T20:41:42 |
@HanaTicha @01LPearson letter to my future self. I like it!! #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-08T20:41:42 |
RT @Marisa_C:what other areas pls? #eltchat > content above all, effect on reader, style, genre ... |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-08T20:41:56 |
@Marisa_C Surely audience first comes before that :-) #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-08T20:41:56 |
For freer academic essays I teach them to mindmap - on paper or online #eltchat |
| janoreso |
2014-10-08T20:42:01 |
@Marisa_C Form and register are biggest problems for my Ss. Essays with "gonna" >_< #eltchat |
| StudyBundles |
2014-10-08T20:42:06 |
@01LPearson @HanaTicha I try & remember to give my ss' initial writing assmnts back during lesson before Xmas. Progress is clear :) #eltchat |
| naomishema |
2014-10-08T20:42:07 |
@Marisa_C that the essay has a beginning, middle & end and that they don't contradict each other, LOL! #eltchat |
| nathanghall |
2014-10-08T20:42:10 |
RT @SueAnnan: @Marisa_C style, tone, register, task achievment #eltchat <-- Ditto for me, plus audience |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-08T20:42:17 |
@Marisa_C Yeah, really importanat to plan, left out too often! #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2014-10-08T20:42:27 |
@Marisa_C I'm cr*p at mindmapping. What do you use? #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2014-10-08T20:42:36 |
@Marisa_C I usually have four categories> vocab, grammar, content, cohesion #eltchat |
| David__Boughton |
2014-10-08T20:42:42 |
@HanaTicha Stephen King's "On Writing" hits on this point perfectly. He left novels for years. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-08T20:42:52 |
@SueAnnan @Marisa_C I am crap at it and hate it just not me :-) #eltchat |
| joannacre |
2014-10-08T20:42:59 |
@Marisa_C content/arguments or lack of #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-08T20:43:06 |
@SueAnnan Large sheets or paper & lots of colors or http://t.co/NGAzx5xuCg #eltchat |
| MsAxthelm |
2014-10-08T20:43:08 |
@joannacre Good idea to ask for a plan. Do you teach a protocol, or do SS have one? #eltchat |
| MsAxthelm |
2014-10-08T20:43:17 |
RT @naomishema: RT @MsAxthelm: Sometimes I use a wordless comic ...> Works with video clips without dialogue too #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2014-10-08T20:43:19 |
@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C Great. Thought it was just me :-) #eltchat |
| David__Boughton |
2014-10-08T20:43:23 |
@MsAxthelm Ah, OK. Like proper examples. Makes sense. Thanks for the clarification. #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2014-10-08T20:43:24 |
@David__Boughton That I admire. I wouldn't be so patient. #eltchat |
| MsAxthelm |
2014-10-08T20:43:38 |
RT @Shaunwilden: @janoreso @MsAxthelm these days you can take that a set further and use apps etc to get sts making their own comics from s… |
| janoreso |
2014-10-08T20:43:42 |
Feel like a hypocrite asking for a plan. Never did it myself. But does help. #ELTchat |
| joannacre |
2014-10-08T20:43:45 |
@naomishema @Marisa_C and prghs. I hate it when there are no parghs and I get a big blob! : P #eltchat |
| StudyBundles |
2014-10-08T20:43:55 |
@SueAnnan @Marisa_C http://t.co/647NabfH9V is a nice mindmapping tool #eltchat |
| naomishema |
2014-10-08T20:43:58 |
RT @joannacre: @naomishema @Marisa_C and prghs. I hate it when there are no parghs and I get a big blob! : P #eltchat |
| David__Boughton |
2014-10-08T20:44:17 |
@HanaTicha As I tell my students: We don't have months, but we all have a few hours to let it sit. #eltchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-08T20:44:27 |
@janoreso I have a similar issue with it, but it's too important not to do ... and it is something I learnt to do eventually! :) #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2014-10-08T20:44:27 |
@StudyBundles @Marisa_C Thanks. I'll have a look, but fear I am a lost cause :-) #eltchat |
| MsAxthelm |
2014-10-08T20:44:32 |
@Shaunwilden @janoreso we have made comics, too! But that seems to focus on the skill of story development and dialog #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-08T20:44:34 |
RT @StudyBundles: http://t.co/ij7lfdZ5z2 is a nice mindmapping tool #eltchat yes agree i often show it in tech training with teachers |
| MsAxthelm |
2014-10-08T20:44:46 |
RT @SueAnnan: @Marisa_C style, tone, register, task achievment #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2014-10-08T20:44:49 |
@joannacre Sometimes my Ss indicate paragraphs with arrows when they forget. Drives me crazy. That's not what pars are for :-) #eltchat |
| MsAxthelm |
2014-10-08T20:44:51 |
RT @01LPearson: @Marisa_C Content, range of language, ideas, interest holding ... #eltchat |
| nathanghall |
2014-10-08T20:45:02 |
#eltchat: Does anyone keep copies of student written work to review with them later? |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-08T20:45:08 |
@MsAxthelm @janoreso agreed but that in turn encourages them to want to write #eltchat |
| joannacre |
2014-10-08T20:45:12 |
@MsAxthelm in EAP there is a protocol but for my Yls I just say show me the connection of ideas etc in ur plan #eltchat |
| MsAxthelm |
2014-10-08T20:45:15 |
RT @janoreso: @Marisa_C Form and register are biggest problems for my Ss. Essays with "gonna" >_< #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-08T20:45:18 |
@SueAnnan no u're not - it takes just a wee bit of practice not all that mcuh #eltchat |
| MsAxthelm |
2014-10-08T20:45:35 |
RT @naomishema: @Marisa_C that the essay has a beginning, middle & end and that they don't contradict each other, LOL! #eltchat |
| janoreso |
2014-10-08T20:45:44 |
@MsAxthelm @Shaunwilden Yeah. Comics = not really 'writing skill' for higher level (ie. not formal, structured, extensive text) #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2014-10-08T20:45:59 |
@Marisa_C I'll test it out when I get time- Promise :-) #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-08T20:45:59 |
RT @nathanghall: #eltchat: Does anyone keep copies of student written work to review later? > yes, some classes build up a portfolio |
| HanaTicha |
2014-10-08T20:45:59 |
@nathanghall I have to store Ss' written assignments. #eltchat comes in handy for many reasons |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-08T20:46:01 |
@nathanghall i do - essays yes #eltchat |
| nathanghall |
2014-10-08T20:46:29 |
@cerirhiannon How often do you review it with the Ss? #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-08T20:47:04 |
RT @nathanghall: @cerirhiannon How often do you review it with the Ss? #eltchat > once every coupla weeks / a month |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-08T20:47:22 |
@janoreso @MsAxthelm hmm beg to differ, to do them well takes a lot of structure & takes a lot of thinking about text etc #eltchat |
| janoreso |
2014-10-08T20:47:23 |
@nathanghall I keep writing for reports and parents evenings, + tos show progress #ELTchat |
| MsAxthelm |
2014-10-08T20:47:28 |
Even just talking out a plan with a partner can be helpful. plus, get to practice speaking, too. #ELTchat |
| nathanghall |
2014-10-08T20:47:45 |
@cerirhiannon Thanks! #eltchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-08T20:47:50 |
RT @MsAxthelm: Even just talking out a plan with a partner can be helpful. plus, get to practice speaking, too. #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-08T20:47:56 |
RT @MsAxthelm: Even just talking out a plan with a partner can be helpful. plus, get to practice speaking, too. #ELTchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-08T20:47:57 |
RT @nathanghall: @cerirhiannon Thanks! #eltchat :) |
| ChatSalad |
2014-10-08T20:48:24 |
@Marisa_C You're welcome! :) BTW when was #eltchat founded? |
| HanaTicha |
2014-10-08T20:48:29 |
I've found it useful to crowdsource feedback - typical errors from the whole class in 1 doc. Refer to it with other classes later #eltchat |
| joannacre |
2014-10-08T20:48:33 |
@HanaTicha @nathanghall I also tell them to review their writing and see what errors re occur. This is an eyeopener for them #eltchat |
| nathanghall |
2014-10-08T20:48:43 |
RT @joannacre: @HanaTicha @nathanghall I also tell them to review their writing and see what errors re occur. This is an eyeopener for them… |
| naomishema |
2014-10-08T20:48:46 |
RT @HanaTicha: I've found it useful to crowdsource feedback - typical errors from the whole class in 1 doc. Refer to it with other classes … |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-08T20:48:50 |
RT @HanaTicha: crowdsource feedback - typical errors from the whole class in 1 doc. Refer to it with other classes later #eltchat nice |
| janoreso |
2014-10-08T20:48:55 |
@Shaunwilden @MsAxthelm Agreed re:Comics are writing. But different skills from any used in a writing exam. Maybe practice brevity? #ELTchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-08T20:49:10 |
@HanaTicha Yeah, giving Ss the chance to share and correct their mistakes! :) #eltchat |
| StudyBundles |
2014-10-08T20:49:10 |
Keeping ss' texts for review later has been effective, e.g writing NY resolutions, putting in envelopes & opening to review in June #eltchat |
| nathanghall |
2014-10-08T20:49:25 |
@joannacre @HanaTicha That's what I have found as well. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-08T20:49:36 |
@janoreso @MsAxthelm true re exam and the need to practice for that #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-08T20:49:39 |
RT @joannacre: @HanaTicha @nathanghallsee what errors re occur. #eltchat > yup & keep a checklist to look over before handing in |
| HanaTicha |
2014-10-08T20:49:57 |
@01LPearson Yeah but it's more learning from other people's mistakes - anonymous of course #eltchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-08T20:49:59 |
@Shaunwilden @MsAxthelm @janoreso Anything that get's them wanting to write is amazing, same with practicing IMing etc. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-08T20:49:59 |
@ChatSalad @Marisa_C 4 years ago mid September #eltchat |
| StudyBundles |
2014-10-08T20:50:06 |
RT @HanaTicha: I've found it useful to crowdsource feedback - typical errors from the whole class in 1 doc. Refer to it with other classes … |
| naomishema |
2014-10-08T20:50:06 |
When you use video clips without dialogue u aren't limited to a genre. ss can describe, write dialogue for, opinions & more #eltchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-08T20:50:13 |
@HanaTicha Naturally! :) #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
2014-10-08T20:50:28 |
One of the biggest issues my sts have is an inability to proofread effectively. Leads to lots of silly mistakes. #eltchat |
| naomishema |
2014-10-08T20:50:56 |
RT @cerirhiannon: RT @naomishema: video clips ss can describe, write dialogue for, opinions & more #eltchat > yes! Mr Bean good for this … |
| ozgurdogan |
2014-10-08T20:50:56 |
hello everybody #eltchat |
| David__Boughton |
2014-10-08T20:50:58 |
@HanaTicha Crowdsource feedback. That's my new favourite phrase. #eltchat |
| StudyBundles |
2014-10-08T20:50:59 |
RT @naomishema: When you use video clips without dialogue u aren't limited to a genre. ss can describe, write dialogue for, opinions & more… |
| SueAnnan |
2014-10-08T20:51:09 |
@cerirhiannon @naomishema or any clip with no sound turned on #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-08T20:51:12 |
RT @01LPearson: @Shaunwilden @MsAxthelm @janoreso Anything that get's them wanting to write is amazing, same with practicing IMing etc. #e… |
| HanaTicha |
2014-10-08T20:51:14 |
@theteacherjames Proofreading is hard. Sometimes impossible to spot your own errors. #eltchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-08T20:51:15 |
@theteacherjames One reason it's great to get them to peer mark, practice spotting other peoples errors, they'll soon spot own #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-08T20:51:18 |
@theteacherjames do u think an online grammar checker would be good for higher levels for e.g. James? #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-08T20:51:23 |
RT @SueAnnan: @cerirhiannon @naomishema or any clip with no sound turned on #eltchat >> totally |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-08T20:51:23 |
RT @01LPearson: @theteacherjames One reason it's great to get them to peer mark, practice spotting other peoples errors, they'll soon spot … |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-08T20:51:45 |
RT @cerirhiannon: RT @SueAnnan: @cerirhiannon @naomishema or any clip with no sound turned on #eltchat >> totally > or in an unknown lang |
| naomishema |
2014-10-08T20:52:06 |
@SueAnnan noo, not any clip IMHO. some are not clear enough without sound. but there are tons that are - that my current craze! #eltchat |
| MsAxthelm |
2014-10-08T20:52:12 |
RT @HanaTicha: I've found it useful to crowdsource feedback - typical errors from the whole class in 1 doc. Refer to it with other classes … |
| HanaTicha |
2014-10-08T20:52:14 |
@theteacherjames I sometimes discover errors months later, no matter how many times I read the piece before #eltchat |
| nathanghall |
2014-10-08T20:52:23 |
@gismail210 @cerirhiannon I would have to get written permission from my student ahead of time to do that for legal reasons #eltchat |
| MsAxthelm |
2014-10-08T20:52:27 |
RT @janoreso: @Shaunwilden @MsAxthelm Agreed re:Comics are writing. But different skills from any used in a writing exam. Maybe practice br… |
| MsAxthelm |
2014-10-08T20:52:57 |
RT @01LPearson: @Shaunwilden @MsAxthelm @janoreso Anything that get's them wanting to write is amazing, same with practicing IMing etc. #e… |
| MsAxthelm |
2014-10-08T20:53:11 |
RT @naomishema: When you use video clips without dialogue u aren't limited to a genre. ss can describe, write dialogue for, opinions & more… |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-08T20:53:12 |
@nathanghall @gismail210 #eltchat even if the texts were anonymous? |
| theteacherjames |
2014-10-08T20:53:15 |
@HanaTicha agreed, but going back over & checking is basic. Some of my sts finish writing & hit 'send'! #eltchat |
| naomishema |
2014-10-08T20:53:20 |
@HanaTicha to some degree it's natural not 2 be able to see your own errors. the brain knows what u wanted to write. #eltchat |
| nathanghall |
2014-10-08T20:53:36 |
@cerirhiannon @gismail210 Yep. We have some serious privacy laws here. #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2014-10-08T20:53:55 |
We're getting to the point where we need a summary writer. Would someone like to volunteer , please? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-08T20:54:02 |
Well - we advise dyslexic Ss to use the spelling and grammar checker in word - why not everyone? #eltchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-08T20:54:04 |
I think that what really needs to be promoted in some way is having a discussion with Ss about their writing and feedback! #eltchat |
| nathanghall |
2014-10-08T20:54:05 |
@gismail210 @cerirhiannon I think it is fine. Just need to be careful to follow the rules where you are. #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
2014-10-08T20:54:07 |
@Marisa_C It could be, but I'm more concerned about their inability to do a basic read through & check. #eltchat |
| StudyBundles |
2014-10-08T20:54:08 |
@theteacherjames @HanaTicha common problem I think! #inarush #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-08T20:54:16 |
RT @nathanghall: @gismail210 Yep. We have some serious privacy laws here. #eltchat > kinda makes encouraging a sharing culture difficult! |
| SueAnnan |
2014-10-08T20:54:20 |
RT @SueAnnan: We're getting to the point where we need a summary writer. Would someone like to volunteer , please? #eltchat |
| joannacre |
2014-10-08T20:54:33 |
@theteacherjames @HanaTicha true #eltchat |
| MsAxthelm |
2014-10-08T20:54:34 |
RT @theteacherjames: One of the biggest issues my sts have is an inability to proofread effectively. Leads to lots of silly mistakes. #eltc… |
| HanaTicha |
2014-10-08T20:54:39 |
@naomishema Wow, this is interesting!! :-) #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-08T20:54:44 |
If someone wants to practice their writing skills, we need a summary writer….#eltchat |
| StudyBundles |
2014-10-08T20:54:47 |
RT @01LPearson: I think that what really needs to be promoted in some way is having a discussion with Ss about their writing and feedback! … |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-08T20:54:52 |
RT @SueAnnan: We're getting to the point where we need a summary writer. Would someone like to volunteer , please? #eltchat YES! |
| nathanghall |
2014-10-08T20:55:03 |
@naomishema @SueAnnan Have you tried the news archive? You can even search for a particular word or phrase. https://t.co/C1B1zI8taH #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-08T20:55:07 |
RT @Shaunwilden: If someone wants to practice their writing skills, we need a summary writer….#eltchat > cool well said :-) |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-08T20:55:13 |
RT @Marisa_C: advise dyslexic Ss to use the spelling & grammar checker in word - why not everyone? #eltchat > agree, I use it in Spanish |
| joannacre |
2014-10-08T20:55:15 |
@theteacherjames so u can get them to peer correct, then review, then hand in their writing #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
2014-10-08T20:55:23 |
@01LPearson True, I've done that before & I like it a lot, but don't have time now alas. #eltchat |
| nathanghall |
2014-10-08T20:55:25 |
@cerirhiannon @gismail210 You said it! #eltchat |
| David__Boughton |
2014-10-08T20:55:32 |
@theteacherjames Did you check this first? I've asked that too many times. #eltchat |
| AngloRocha |
2014-10-08T20:55:47 |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @Shaunwilden: If someone wants to practice their writing skills, we need a summary writer….#eltchat > cool well said :-) |
| HanaTicha |
2014-10-08T20:55:47 |
@theteacherjames Very true. But I discover the most errors after I hit the submit button or hand in a piece of writing :-) #eltchat |
| MsAxthelm |
2014-10-08T20:56:09 |
RT @Marisa_C: Well - we advise dyslexic Ss to use the spelling and grammar checker in word - why not everyone? #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2014-10-08T20:56:10 |
@HanaTicha @theteacherjames Yes. I know that one :-)#eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-08T20:56:28 |
@HanaTicha @theteacherjames so should we correct EVERYTHING? why do Ts feel guilty if they don't ? #eltchat |
| ozgurdogan |
2014-10-08T20:56:28 |
I would love to but I think I arrived late #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-08T20:56:51 |
hour’s almost up, any final words of wisdom, advice, tips ? #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-08T20:57:01 |
RT @David__Boughton: @theteacherjames Did you check this first?#eltchat > but we need to emphasis content & message over surface errors |
| HanaTicha |
2014-10-08T20:57:13 |
@Marisa_C @theteacherjames Maybe because we suppose Ss want us to correct everything, which they often do #eltchat |
| janoreso |
2014-10-08T20:57:16 |
Anyone mentioned Dixit cards yet? Easily the best inspirational tool. #eltchat |
| nathanghall |
2014-10-08T20:57:20 |
@Marisa_C @HanaTicha @theteacherjames I think we feel we are reinforcing a problem. We need to pick our battles IMO #eltchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-08T20:57:23 |
RT @janoreso: Anyone mentioned Dixit cards yet? Easily the best inspirational tool. #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-08T20:57:32 |
RT @Marisa_C: @HanaTicha @theteacherjamescorrect EVERYTHING? why do Ts feel guilty if they don't ? #eltchat > cos ss say they want us to? |
| MsAxthelm |
2014-10-08T20:57:41 |
RT @cerirhiannon: RT @David__Boughton: @theteacherjames Did you check this first?#eltchat > but we need to emphasis content & message over … |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-08T20:57:54 |
RT @janoreso: Anyone mentioned Dixit cards yet? Easily the best inspirational tool. #eltchat very nice! |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-08T20:58:00 |
RT @janoreso: Anyone mentioned Dixit cards yet? Easily the best inspirational tool. #eltchat https://t.co/lfErV3K4Ps <- examples! |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-08T20:58:12 |
Here's a blog about Learner Directed Feedback by Clare Fielder #eltchat http://t.co/qlBZQh7Tj9 |
| theteacherjames |
2014-10-08T20:58:17 |
@SueAnnan @HanaTicha me too, but I'm talking about B2 sts writing "she go to work"& not just once. It's a skill they need #eltchat |
| naomishema |
2014-10-08T20:58:22 |
@cerirhiannon @janoreso DIXIT? #eltchat |
| StudyBundles |
2014-10-08T20:58:40 |
@Shaunwilden aim to make the activity relevant, aim to use a fdbck method ss fully connect with #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-08T20:59:03 |
RT @01LPearson: RT @janoreso: ADixit cards #eltchat https://t.co/Acc9htvsDx <- examples! @naomishema |
| David__Boughton |
2014-10-08T20:59:17 |
@cerirhiannon @theteacherjames Yes, good point. But sometimes the content is haphazard too. #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2014-10-08T20:59:20 |
Who wants the Kudos for writing our Summary? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-08T20:59:26 |
RT @SueAnnan: Who wants the Kudos for writing our Summary? #eltchat |
| MsAxthelm |
2014-10-08T20:59:27 |
@janoreso don't know dixit cards #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
2014-10-08T20:59:33 |
@nathanghall @Marisa_C @HanaTicha definitely need to prioritise in giving feedback. Can be demoralising otherwise #eltchat |
| MsAxthelm |
2014-10-08T20:59:48 |
RT @01LPearson: RT @janoreso: Anyone mentioned Dixit cards yet? Easily the best inspirational tool. #eltchat https://t.co/lfErV3K4Ps <- exa… |
| naomishema |
2014-10-08T20:59:56 |
@01LPearson @cerirhiannon @janoreso puzzled, these are writing prompts? #eltchat |
| naomishema |
2014-10-08T21:00:04 |
RT @theteacherjames: @nathanghall @Marisa_C @HanaTicha definitely need to prioritise in giving feedback. Can be demoralising otherwise #elt… |
| HanaTicha |
2014-10-08T21:00:05 |
@MsAxthelm There's a danger Ss will think that no correction = correct. Maybe that's why we tend to correct everything I suppose #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-08T21:00:07 |
We need to control the urge to correct everything yes #eltchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-08T21:00:10 |
@MsAxthelm @janoreso They're really cool, alot of random picture and they're beautiful too! :D #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-08T21:00:28 |
#eltchat always give feedback first on task achievement, effect on you as reader, message and content - choose tasks that r worth doing! |
| MsAxthelm |
2014-10-08T21:00:29 |
RT @theteacherjames: @nathanghall @Marisa_C @HanaTicha definitely need to prioritise in giving feedback. Can be demoralising otherwise #elt… |
| StudyBundles |
2014-10-08T21:00:36 |
RT @HanaTicha: @MsAxthelm There's a danger Ss will think that no correction = correct. Maybe that's why we tend to correct everything I sup… |
| naomishema |
2014-10-08T21:00:37 |
RT @cerirhiannon: #eltchat always give feedback first on task achievement, effect on you as reader, message and content - choose tasks th… |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-08T21:00:42 |
@naomishema @cerirhiannon @janoreso Yeah, just to get juices flowing! #eltchat |
| MsAxthelm |
2014-10-08T21:00:46 |
RT @01LPearson: @MsAxthelm @janoreso They're really cool, alot of random picture and they're beautiful too! :D #eltchat |
| nathanghall |
2014-10-08T21:01:11 |
@gismail210 @naomishema @SueAnnan I think your idea of using previous work is good. Just need to be careful. #eltchat |
| MsAxthelm |
2014-10-08T21:01:18 |
@01LPearson @janoreso Cool! I will have to Check it out! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-08T21:01:29 |
May be you should get Ss to create their OWN error correction code with drawings and humorous categories - motivates YLs too #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-08T21:01:30 |
remember next week is lunchtime #eltchat so at 12 uk time |
| janoreso |
2014-10-08T21:01:33 |
@cerirhiannon #eltchat always give feedback on task, effect on you as reader, content >> Yes! Content! Be a human! |
| StudyBundles |
2014-10-08T21:01:34 |
RT @Marisa_C: We need to control the urge to correct everything yes #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-08T21:01:40 |
RT @01LPearsonThey're really cool, alot of random picture and they're beautiful too! :D #eltchat @naomishema more about Dixit :) |
| naomishema |
2014-10-08T21:01:40 |
RT @Marisa_C: May be you should get Ss to create their OWN error correction code with drawings and humorous categories - motivates YLs too … |
| HanaTicha |
2014-10-08T21:01:50 |
@Marisa_C Urge. That's the right word. I simply can't help correcting even when I start off focusing on selected features #eltchat |
| MsAxthelm |
2014-10-08T21:02:00 |
RT @Marisa_C: May be you should get Ss to create their OWN error correction code with drawings and humorous categories - motivates YLs too … |
| nathanghall |
2014-10-08T21:02:10 |
#eltchat: You can always use #eltpics for writing prompts as well! |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-08T21:02:20 |
RT @janoreso: @cerirhiannon #eltchat always give feedback on task, effect on you as reader, content >> Yes! Content! Be a human! :) |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-08T21:02:37 |
@nathanghall eltpics? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-08T21:02:42 |
@HanaTicha Values-beliefs often hard to chase out of system :-D #eltchat |
| naomishema |
2014-10-08T21:02:45 |
RT @nathanghall: #eltchat: You can always use #eltpics for writing prompts as well! > #cheers for #eltpics! |
| MsAxthelm |
2014-10-08T21:02:53 |
Thanks all for some great ideas! #ELTchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-08T21:02:56 |
RT @nathanghall: #eltchat: You can always use #eltpics for writing prompts as well! : yes, great ideas in the Take a Photo and blog |
| nathanghall |
2014-10-08T21:03:24 |
@01LPearson More here http://t.co/tn2y5sRipC #eltpics #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2014-10-08T21:03:37 |
@01LPearson @nathanghall Pictures by ELTs for ELTs. CC licensed for use in class. fab resource #ELTchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-08T21:03:39 |
Thanks everyone! :D #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-08T21:03:48 |
RT @01LPearson: @nathanghall eltpics? #eltchat https://t.co/FZ5PHw1Mgb |
| naomishema |
2014-10-08T21:03:48 |
RT @SueAnnan: @01LPearson @nathanghall Pictures by ELTs for ELTs. CC licensed for use in class. fab resource #ELTchat |
| janoreso |
2014-10-08T21:03:53 |
Thanks folks! #eltchat |
| joannacre |
2014-10-08T21:03:54 |
@HanaTicha @Marisa_C I correct some things, underline others, use errors codes. Mix and match and always write comments at the end #eltchat |
| StudyBundles |
2014-10-08T21:03:55 |
Thanks for a great #eltchat everyone! Got a pile of ss' texts to give feedback on so best go :) |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-08T21:03:57 |
OK Jose! ENd of #ELTchat WHO is doing the summary please? |
| naomishema |
2014-10-08T21:04:01 |
RT @joannacre: @HanaTicha @Marisa_C I correct some things, underline others, use errors codes. Mix and match and always write comments at t… |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-08T21:04:37 |
RT @Marisa_C: OK Jose! ENd of #ELTchat WHO is doing the summary please? |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-08T21:04:41 |
Don't all run away now #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2014-10-08T21:04:42 |
@joannacre @Marisa_C I think underlining and highliting are the best / some responsibility on Ss #eltchat |
| nathanghall |
2014-10-08T21:04:47 |
@Marisa_C I have yet to do it, so I guess it is my turn! :) #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-08T21:05:17 |
#eltchat thanks everyone - hasta la próxima (gonna post a couple of creative writing ideas) |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-08T21:05:20 |
@nathanghall Awesome!!! So looking forward to you writing it Nathan :-) #eltchat |
| MsAxthelm |
2014-10-08T21:05:32 |
RT @SueAnnan: @01LPearson @nathanghall Pictures by ELTs for ELTs. CC licensed for use in class. fab resource #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2014-10-08T21:05:50 |
@Marisa_C @nathanghall Off to sort out transcript #eltchat |
| naomishema |
2014-10-08T21:06:11 |
You all kept me wide awake despite cooking and playing hostess all day. It's past midnight so good night! Enjoyed! #eltchat |
| nathanghall |
2014-10-08T21:06:14 |
@SueAnnan @Marisa_C A bit nervous writing a post about teachers who mark writing. ;) #eltchat |
| David__Boughton |
2014-10-08T21:06:25 |
My first #eltchat of the school year. Happy to report it's still the best Twitter chat out there. |
| naomishema |
2014-10-08T21:06:36 |
RT @David__Boughton: My first #eltchat of the school year. Happy to report it's still the best Twitter chat out there. |
| HanaTicha |
2014-10-08T21:06:42 |
Good night folks. Great to be here again. Good topic. Looking forward to the next #eltchat |
| joannacre |
2014-10-08T21:06:43 |
@Marisa_C @nathanghall Great chat! Nitie nite #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-08T21:06:55 |
@nathanghall @SueAnnan Lol will use an error correction colour code when I repost - obligatory no? #eltchat |
| nathanghall |
2014-10-08T21:07:03 |
#eltchat: Thanks for the chat everyone! |
| StudyBundles |
2014-10-08T21:07:08 |
RT @David__Boughton: My first #eltchat of the school year. Happy to report it's still the best Twitter chat out there. |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-08T21:07:24 |
RT @David__Boughton: My first #eltchat of the school year. Happy to report it's still the best Twitter chat out there.> hear hear! |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-08T21:07:30 |
#eltchat using dictogloss to encourage intensive drafting https://t.co/jt3RFlsY91 |
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