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| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-01T10:14:07 |
The 12pm Uk #eltchat is Flipped learning in English language classes – What is the best use of your face-to-face time in class? |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-01T10:33:37 |
RT @Shaunwilden: The 12pm Uk #eltchat is Flipped learning in English language classes – What is the best use of your face-to-face time in c… |
| CELT_Athens |
2014-10-01T10:33:49 |
RT @cherrymp: Today's #ELTChat to begin in 45 minutes. Anybody from #ELTIndia #AusELT #KELTchat joining? #FB |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-01T10:40:46 |
#eltchat it's been a long time, hoping I still remember how to do this |
| klgree |
2014-10-01T10:41:22 |
@Marisa_C Considering joining from Bangladesh for the takeaway, don't have a flipped classroom. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-01T10:46:58 |
@cerirhiannon Hmm. you look familiar #eltchat :-D |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-01T10:47:22 |
@Marisa_C #eltchat LOLLing ;) |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-01T10:48:27 |
@cerirhiannon :-) I'm sure I will remember you - in 10 mins when we begin #ELTchat on flipped classes |
| bealer81 |
2014-10-01T10:49:43 |
Interesting infographic on flipped learning. http://t.co/hCWOh8vslc Not convinced myself, especially in an ELT environment. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-01T10:54:39 |
RT @bealer81: Interesting infographic on flipped learning. http://t.co/hCWOh8vslc Not convinced myself, especially in an ELT environment. #… |
| ChatSalad |
2014-10-01T10:55:15 |
The #eltchat chat starts in 5 mins. #ChatSalad. |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-01T10:57:02 |
We talked abt flipped classrooms last year on #ELTchat - pls have a quick look at this summary before we begin http://t.co/cv6XeABhN1 |
| Philip_Saxon |
2014-10-01T10:57:43 |
Hello all! #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-01T10:58:59 |
RT @bealer81: Not convinced myself, especially in an ELT environment. #eltchat I think it's a different beast in ELT |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-01T10:59:43 |
RT @bealer81: Not convinced myself, especially in an ELT environment. #eltchat I think it's a different beast in ELT -or at least it can be |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-01T11:00:03 |
Hi and welcome back @Philip_Saxon @cerirhiannon @bealer81 ? #eltchat begining like NOW! :-) |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-01T11:00:12 |
Afternoon all #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-01T11:00:30 |
#eltchat hi everybody! |
| StudyBundles |
2014-10-01T11:00:43 |
@Philip_Saxon Hi @Philip_Saxon Hi all, hope all's well! #eltchat |
| klgree |
2014-10-01T11:01:18 |
Thanks for posting last year's summary and infographic. Hi all. #eltchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-01T11:01:22 |
Hi all #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-01T11:01:23 |
@Shaunwilden and myself will be moderating today - if new to Twitter or the chat pls ask us for help and remember to add #ELTchat hashtag |
| rapple18 |
2014-10-01T11:01:26 |
@bealer81 thanks ... useful sort of summary (case study?), - tho I also have reservations #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2014-10-01T11:01:31 |
Hello #eltchat! :) |
| rapple18 |
2014-10-01T11:02:25 |
hi! Been a bit of an ostrich of late.. but may I join?! Good topic! #ELTchat |
| adi_rajan |
2014-10-01T11:02:28 |
@Marisa_C @Shaunwilden Good 'arvo. What's today's topic? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-01T11:02:31 |
@angelos_bollas @01LPearson @klgree @StudyBundles Hello & welcome great to have u all here - lots of doubts in the air tho :-) #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2014-10-01T11:02:48 |
Good afternoon #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-01T11:03:05 |
@adi_rajan @Marisa_C We’re talkin flippin #eltchat |
| StudyBundles |
2014-10-01T11:03:06 |
@rapple18 @bealer81 must say I'm an advocate, I've seen and experienced some excellent results! #Eltchat #flippedlearning |
| Philip_Saxon |
2014-10-01T11:03:35 |
Shall we get started? It seems the debate is more about what's done in class time than posted online as a video. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-01T11:03:41 |
Flipped learning in English language classes – What is the best use of your face-to-face time in class? @adi_rajan #ELTchat topic today |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-01T11:03:53 |
RT @Philip_Saxon: Shall we get started? It seems the debate is more about what's done in class time than posted online as a video. #eltchat |
| saraginot |
2014-10-01T11:04:02 |
#eltchat Hi everyone I asked the question after reading Jonathan Bergmann's book and Troy Cockrum's book on flipping in English class |
| Philip_Saxon |
2014-10-01T11:04:23 |
I love integrating classes with VLE/Edmodo. Not sure I'd always call that "flipped learning", though. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-01T11:04:30 |
@StudyBundles @rapple18 @bealer81 can you qualify ‘excellent’ results #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-01T11:04:37 |
@saraginot good to have you here - #eltchat - hope you volunteer for the summary too :-) #eltchat |
| Philip_Saxon |
2014-10-01T11:04:49 |
Have others tried "flipping" before? #eltchat |
| adi_rajan |
2014-10-01T11:05:09 |
Flippin seems particularly useful for content heavy subjects but language not so sure #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-01T11:05:30 |
RT @adi_rajan: Flippin seems particularly useful for content heavy subjects but language not so sure #eltchat yeah i think the same |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-01T11:05:32 |
RT @Philip_Saxon: Have others tried "flipping" before? #eltchat a little, with beginners, seemed to work well - anecdotally ;) |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-01T11:05:33 |
RT @Philip_Saxon: Have others tried "flipping" before? #eltchat > not really in the strict sense of the term #ELTchat |
| rapple18 |
2014-10-01T11:05:46 |
I'd also like to wrangle a bit with the homework issue. And I dont like the idea of 'Ss watch video/lecture at home'.. #ELTchat |
| Philip_Saxon |
2014-10-01T11:05:56 |
My best experiences were with Content Based Instruction (English for Business Studies) #eltchat |
| saraginot |
2014-10-01T11:06:13 |
I think you have to figure out which aspects of class to flip #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-01T11:06:44 |
RT @rapple18: I'd also like to wrangle a bit with the homework issue. #ELTchat I agree - needs to be little and seen as useful I think |
| rapple18 |
2014-10-01T11:06:55 |
maybe we can discuss a few specific tried-and-tested (and succesful) examples at different levels? #ELTchat |
| StudyBundles |
2014-10-01T11:07:24 |
@Shaunwilden @rapple18 @bealer81 Motivated ss, enthusiasm in lessons, ss working on their language outside of class #ELTchat |
| Philip_Saxon |
2014-10-01T11:07:27 |
I think posting video in advance of class speeds it up. Only c. half students watch video if does not integrate with assessment. #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-01T11:07:46 |
#eltchat e.g. beginners watched youtube video tutorial on how to tell the time - in class we played the video on mute, the ss "taught" |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-01T11:07:56 |
@StudyBundles @rapple18 @bealer81 Does it need to be flipped to achieve that :-) #eltchat |
| adi_rajan |
2014-10-01T11:08:05 |
Does flipping refer to watching recorded videos at home or does it also include exercises (then how's it different than HW?) #eltchat |
| Philip_Saxon |
2014-10-01T11:08:11 |
Linking to essay, after class. Video before, discuss during, write after. Worked well. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-01T11:08:12 |
@Philip_Saxon Mine with DELTA content - @JGakonga tried to flip the CELTA could let us know tho think she wasnt too happy #eltchat |
| StudyBundles |
2014-10-01T11:08:13 |
@rapple18 sounds good! Anyone have any specific examples? #ELTchat |
| rapple18 |
2014-10-01T11:08:31 |
MT @cerirhiannon RT @rapple18: homework issue. #ELTchat I agree - needs to be little and seen as useful I think Indeed! With clear aim |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-01T11:08:38 |
#eltchat ss watched video about types of homes (2 mins) discussed what they remembered, again played back mute & then led into convo |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-01T11:09:01 |
@adi_rajan for me flipping involved inout outside class and class time used for activating that input #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2014-10-01T11:09:18 |
@StudyBundles and prep time during class, right? Pre-processes are done at home. @Shaunwilden @rapple18 @bealer81 #eltchat |
| Philip_Saxon |
2014-10-01T11:09:24 |
TED talks (subtitles available in foreign language) flipped successfully several times. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-01T11:09:27 |
@rapple18 @cerirhiannon I think this idea of FC=homework is quite a misunderstanding in #eltchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-01T11:09:30 |
@adi_rajan I'd say that the difference is that flipping is hwk in preperation for the next class rather than revision. #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-01T11:09:35 |
RT @adi_rajan: how's it different than HW?) #eltchat if the input is seen as "new" in the hwk then it's flipping? |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-01T11:09:55 |
RT @01LPearson: @adi_rajan I'd say that the difference is that flipping is hwk in preperation for the next class rather than revision. #elt… |
| Philip_Saxon |
2014-10-01T11:09:57 |
Followed up with studying related text in class next. #eltchat |
| StudyBundles |
2014-10-01T11:10:10 |
@Shaunwilden @rapple18 @bealer81 Good point, and I think my enthusiasm for the flip probably rubs off on my ss! #ELTchat |
| HanaTicha |
2014-10-01T11:10:45 |
@cerirhiannon So HW = recycling but flipping = new input? Do I get it right? #eltchat |
| Philip_Saxon |
2014-10-01T11:10:46 |
Essence (to me) is coming to class prepared. #eltchat |
| janoreso |
2014-10-01T11:10:50 |
guided discovery worksheets; reading texts; listening texts - all great flipped hwk #eltchat |
| janoreso |
2014-10-01T11:11:23 |
@cerirhiannon So HW = recycling but flipping = new input? Do I get it right? #eltchat Yep! |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-01T11:11:27 |
RT @Shaunwilden idea of FC=homework misunderstanding #eltchat > on-the-move work then? or out-of-class work? it only refers to the location |
| klgree |
2014-10-01T11:11:46 |
@janoreso glad to hear it's not all reliant on tech #eltchat |
| StudyBundles |
2014-10-01T11:11:55 |
@Philip_Saxon I've also used TED successfully for a flipped resources. How do you start the following class? #ELTchat |
| Philip_Saxon |
2014-10-01T11:12:00 |
EdPuzzle - can create own quizzes around new video input. This tests understanding. #eltchat |
| rapple18 |
2014-10-01T11:12:26 |
MT @01LPearson @adi_rajan Idifference is that flipping is hwk in prep for next class not revision. #eltchat Yes - sts need2know that |
| Philip_Saxon |
2014-10-01T11:12:32 |
Can crop/edit/add voiceover to video that way, too. #eltchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-01T11:12:38 |
@Philip_Saxon that's a really nice idea! Provides a really great warmer then too! #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2014-10-01T11:13:06 |
Flipping works well with long term projects where ss must do prep work, meet deadlines, report on progress to class, etc. #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2014-10-01T11:13:19 |
It seems that flipping requires even more prep time? - doen't it actually double the time? #eltchat |
| Philip_Saxon |
2014-10-01T11:13:27 |
@StudyBundles I'd set a text on same theme, exploring topic vocabulary and asking questions that explore Ss' views. #eltchat |
| rapple18 |
2014-10-01T11:13:28 |
MT @HanaTicha @cerirhiannon So HW = recycling but flipping = new input? Do I get it right? #eltchat not nec new ... Cld be skills? |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-01T11:13:30 |
@Philip_Saxon Is it free? #eltchat |
| StudyBundles |
2014-10-01T11:13:39 |
@janoreso @klgree I think this is a really important point, seems to be a misconception that flipping must be tech/web based? #ELTchat |
| adi_rajan |
2014-10-01T11:14:06 |
Pre-work has always been a part of Business English workshops but completion rates are generally low #eltchat |
| Philip_Saxon |
2014-10-01T11:14:12 |
@Shaunwilden For the time being, YES! #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-01T11:14:13 |
RT @StudyBundles: @janoreso @klgree I think this is a really important point, seems to be a misconception that flipping must be tech/web ba… |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-01T11:14:26 |
@HanaTicha Theoretically it should maximize use/output time in class; but involves more teacher prep -no? #eltchat are Ts paid accordingly? |
| janoreso |
2014-10-01T11:14:26 |
Flipping is no more time to prep. You're just shifting the prep forward: input as HWK, practice in class #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-01T11:14:26 |
RT @HanaTicha: flipping doubles the time? #eltchat means the class itself can be more reactive - less planning needed for the f2f lesson |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-01T11:14:37 |
Just got home- is topic about flipped classroom? #eltchat |
| StudyBundles |
2014-10-01T11:14:59 |
@Philip_Saxon Great, so providing multiple (+multi-sensory!) input on a given topic. Would you give a 'test' on the flip content? #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-01T11:15:10 |
@MarjorieRosenbe yes! how to make best use of in-c;lass time #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2014-10-01T11:15:10 |
@HanaTicha teacher prep time or students prep time? I think it reduces the former and increases the latter #eltchat |
| Philip_Saxon |
2014-10-01T11:15:20 |
@HanaTicha Compensation: much faster progress during class. Students speed up. Less time spent on correction. Homework better. #eltchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-01T11:15:21 |
@adi_rajan I think this is one of the great problems, if you plan a lesson based on work having been done and it isn't ... #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-01T11:15:22 |
RT @rapple18: MT @HanaTicha #eltchat not nec new ... Cld be skills? > yes, skills too |
| adi_rajan |
2014-10-01T11:15:28 |
RT @01LPearson: @adi_rajan I think this is one of the great problems, if you plan a lesson based on work having been done and it isn't ... … |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-01T11:15:36 |
RT @01LPearson: @adi_rajan I think this is one of the great problems, if you plan a lesson based on work having been done and it isn't ... … |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-01T11:15:48 |
@MarjorieRosenbe yup #eltchat |
| janoreso |
2014-10-01T11:15:49 |
Only issue: absent/lazy/busy students. Incomplete HWK requires more attention. Quiz helps #eltchat |
| Philip_Saxon |
2014-10-01T11:16:07 |
@StudyBundles It's possible with EdPuzzle or Ted.Ed. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-01T11:16:13 |
@janoreso am not sure thats true there are things such as augmenting, editing or even making the flipped bit which take time #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-01T11:16:19 |
@Philip_Saxon @StudyBundles Did this with Sugata Mitra's TED talk- ran debate on premise with C1 srs. #eltchat |
| rapple18 |
2014-10-01T11:16:43 |
@angelos_bollas @HanaTicha T prep time or Ss prep time? I think it reduces the former + increases the latter #eltchat Agreed. Ideally |
| janoreso |
2014-10-01T11:16:46 |
Other benefit: Students exposed to new language at their own pace. Can use dictionaries, etc. #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-01T11:16:48 |
RT @01LPearson: @adi_rajan. #eltchat > if the follow up is based on peer teaching this is less of a prob |
| Philip_Saxon |
2014-10-01T11:16:55 |
@adi_rajan Don't believe this sinks the lesson. Can repeat video for naughty Ss and lesson still goes much faster. #eltchat |
| bealer81 |
2014-10-01T11:17:00 |
@janoreso But what if the input is not fully understood and the practice lesson becomes more of recap and further explanation. #eltchat |
| adi_rajan |
2014-10-01T11:17:01 |
Question to all you flippers - what exactly would you flip in a grammar lesson? #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2014-10-01T11:17:09 |
RT @adi_rajan: Question to all you flippers - what exactly would you flip in a grammar lesson? #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-01T11:17:17 |
RT @janoreso: Other benefit: at their own pace. Can use dictionaries, etc. #eltchat> I think own pace a really imp point for everything |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-01T11:17:30 |
@rapple18 @01LPearson @adi_rajan Agree. Have been doing that for ages. Is there sth new with flipping? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-01T11:17:46 |
@adi_rajan I’ve sene people flip the ‘explanation’ of a grammar point etc #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-01T11:17:53 |
RT @adi_rajan: Question to all you flippers - what exactly would you flip in a grammar lesson? #eltchat > Lol :-D Read the rules? |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-01T11:17:54 |
@adi_rajan Ideally, for me, a really great guided discovery exercise so they come to lesson understanding the grammar point #eltchat |
| Philip_Saxon |
2014-10-01T11:17:58 |
@HanaTicha Brainshark demo? Plus interactive quiz at end. #eltchat |
| janoreso |
2014-10-01T11:17:59 |
@bealer81 now you have a whole lesson to clarify/correct and practice. You haven't lost anything #eltchat |
| adi_rajan |
2014-10-01T11:18:03 |
@Shaunwilden Was it effective? #eltchat |
| klgree |
2014-10-01T11:18:04 |
@Philip_Saxon Except when the flipped work isn't tech related. #eltchat |
| StudyBundles |
2014-10-01T11:18:05 |
@Marisa_C @HanaTicha Don't think it takes any more time to prep than a 'normal' lesson, change of dynamic in class takes time tho!? #ELTchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-01T11:18:09 |
RT @Philip_Saxon: @adi_rajan #eltchat > I repeat the vid mute and get ss to commentate/explain -part of the activation too |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-01T11:18:20 |
@Philip_Saxon try to always encourage this. #eltchat |
| Philip_Saxon |
2014-10-01T11:18:41 |
@klgree Can you clarify? Sorry but lots going on just now. #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-01T11:18:43 |
RT @adi_rajan: what exactly would you flip in a grammar lesson? #eltchat > structure and initial controlled practice |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-01T11:18:46 |
@adi_rajanI think I shared this last #eltchat as well check out steve’s videos http://t.co/rTGmS1W6P3 |
| adi_rajan |
2014-10-01T11:18:48 |
@Marisa_C I wouldn't find that an appealing way to engage with grammar though, personally. #eltchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-01T11:18:50 |
@cerirhiannon @Philip_Saxon @adi_rajan #eltchat Do you always use a video when fliiping? |
| adi_rajan |
2014-10-01T11:18:58 |
RT @01LPearson: @adi_rajan Ideally, for me, a really great guided discovery exercise so they come to lesson understanding the grammar point… |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-01T11:19:11 |
@StudyBundles it presupposes existence of good ready made materials, texts for minimal T prep tho #ELTchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-01T11:19:21 |
RT @bealer81: @janoreso But what if practice lesson recap and further explanation. #eltchat > that's great, if that's what they need |
| bealer81 |
2014-10-01T11:19:26 |
Does flipped learning not reinforce the compartmentalisation of language points? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-01T11:19:39 |
RT @bealer81: Does flipped learning not reinforce the compartmentalisation of language points? #eltchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-01T11:19:42 |
@bealer81 How do you mean? #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2014-10-01T11:19:43 |
@adi_rajan context, function, form. SS can do the research, produce a 'rule sheet' and while in class focus on language production #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-01T11:19:47 |
Anyway - let's get back on track re best use of CLASS time #eltchat |
| Philip_Saxon |
2014-10-01T11:19:53 |
@01LPearson It's a good warmer, I reckon. But online texts also possible. #eltchat |
| janoreso |
2014-10-01T11:19:54 |
RT @adi_rajan: what exactly would you flip in a grammar lesson? #eltchat > input for context, maybe clarify, MAYBE controlled practice |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-01T11:20:01 |
RT @janoreso: @bealer81 now you have a whole lesson to clarify/correct and practice. You haven't lost anything #eltchat like :) |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-01T11:20:04 |
@adi_rajan nor me :-) #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2014-10-01T11:20:13 |
@StudyBundles @Marisa_C I'd imagine that you need to think of possible problems in the actual lesson > may require extra time #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-01T11:20:27 |
@Philip_Saxon So more prep time for teacher or do sts do this? #eltchat |
| StudyBundles |
2014-10-01T11:20:32 |
@adi_rajan @Shaunwilden I've flipped 'grammar' lessons using vids/wkshts with the content that would ordinarily be the 1st P in PPP #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-01T11:20:34 |
@Marisa_C Well there is only really one use of class time as per FC model that is practice #eltchat |
| Philip_Saxon |
2014-10-01T11:20:35 |
@bealer81 Not if class time used for practice effectively, I'd say. #eltchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-01T11:20:53 |
@MarjorieRosenbe @Philip_Saxon In this case it would be part of the homework task for the students! #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-01T11:21:00 |
RT #eltchat Do you always use a video when fliiping?> in my case yes, that's what the ss worked best with |
| Philip_Saxon |
2014-10-01T11:21:30 |
Best use of class time - task-based learning? Authentic texts as springboard for discussion? #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-01T11:21:33 |
@HanaTicha just asked same q. Not sure benefit outweighs the extra time put in. #eltchat |
| almudena_fdez |
2014-10-01T11:21:44 |
#eltchat live. Interesting topics. Follow now. |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-01T11:21:47 |
RT @bealer81: Does flipped learning reinforce compartmentalisation? #eltchat > for my beginners it really helped to isolate forms |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-01T11:21:55 |
@cerirhiannon Is that becasue it is something the Ss will definately actually take the time to interact with? #eltchat |
| bealer81 |
2014-10-01T11:22:00 |
@01LPearson The next lesson is the 2nd conditional, watch the video and tomorrow we will practice. #eltchat |
| rapple18 |
2014-10-01T11:22:03 |
@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C only really one use of class time as per FC model that is practice #eltchat + clarification - CQs, etc? |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-01T11:22:41 |
RT @01LPearson: @cerirhiannon actually take the time to interact with? #eltchat> that class did - short (max 3 min videos) worked for them |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-01T11:22:42 |
@01LPearson thanks #eltchat |
| StudyBundles |
2014-10-01T11:22:59 |
@Marisa_C True, quite a lot out there tho, & maybe after flipping for a while, I'm beginning to build up a bank of materials #ELTchat |
| klgree |
2014-10-01T11:23:07 |
@Philip_Saxon How do you recover in class when it isn't as simple as reviewing a video clip that students haven't watched? #eltchat |
| janoreso |
2014-10-01T11:23:11 |
@bealer81 compartmentalisation of language? >> if you want a lesson focused on emergent language from texts; set the text as hwk #eltchat |
| StudyBundles |
2014-10-01T11:23:18 |
RT @cerirhiannon: RT @janoreso: @bealer81 now you have a whole lesson to clarify/correct and practice. You haven't lost anything #eltchat … |
| angelos_bollas |
2014-10-01T11:23:35 |
@Philip_Saxon or even texts produced by SS themselves #eltchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-01T11:23:37 |
@cerirhiannon That makes alot of sense, you need the Ss to have done it! So it can't be anything which takes too much time! #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2014-10-01T11:23:38 |
@MarjorieRosenbe Can't say. I tried sending some material in advance. Not all Ss prepared. Complicated the lesson. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-01T11:23:44 |
@klgree @Philip_Saxon get them to watch it in class while those that have do the practice etc? #eltchat |
| EdLaur |
2014-10-01T11:24:08 |
RT @StudyBundles: @Marisa_C True, quite a lot out there tho, & maybe after flipping for a while, I'm beginning to build up a bank of materi… |
| Philip_Saxon |
2014-10-01T11:24:12 |
@klgree I'd like to investigate, to be honest. Main experiences (positive) have been with content-based instruction. #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-01T11:24:28 |
@Philip_Saxon where do texts come from? Not legal to copy but sts can get link & print at home. Only works with higher levels. #eltchat |
| bealer81 |
2014-10-01T11:24:36 |
Has anyone done an effective study in ELT with flipped learning? #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-01T11:24:40 |
RT @bealer81: @01LPearson 2nd conditional, #eltchat > next lesson kick off with a discussion abt hypothetical sits & see where takes us |
| Philip_Saxon |
2014-10-01T11:24:44 |
@Shaunwilden That's how I did it in ESP classes. Bring two groups together afterwards. #eltchat |
| janoreso |
2014-10-01T11:24:46 |
@Philip_Saxon How do you recover in class > #eltchat A quiz/game/etc? Doers bring the slackers up to speed? |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-01T11:24:55 |
@klgree @Philip_Saxon I haven't done this so not sure of a one-fits-all best answer. Send some ppl out to watch? #eltchat |
| McManusEdTech |
2014-10-01T11:25:12 |
@Shaunwilden @klgree @Philip_Saxon what would give students initiative to watch the video outside class then? #eltchat |
| Philip_Saxon |
2014-10-01T11:25:20 |
@bealer81 Very pertinent question, journals not keen it seems on publishing such work. #eltchat |
| StudyBundles |
2014-10-01T11:25:23 |
@HanaTicha @Marisa_C Agreed, but that's the time when you can spend time with learners, often on an individual basis #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-01T11:25:49 |
We seem to be talking only about grammar - e.g. in a speaking lesson Ss could be asked to research a topic for a debate #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2014-10-01T11:25:54 |
What about asking SS to research and select materials for next class? Especially for ESP classes #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-01T11:25:55 |
RT @Shaunwilden: @klgree @Philip_Saxon #eltchat > do task/practice in class and Ss peer teach/support |
| Philip_Saxon |
2014-10-01T11:26:01 |
@janoreso If I had access to an interactive whiteboard, I'd gamily the lesson using Triptico quizzes. #eltchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-01T11:26:06 |
@McManusEdTech Responding to Ss interests. If you have a class who love penguins then a vid/book about penguins? #eltchat |
| janoreso |
2014-10-01T11:26:06 |
like > @Shaunwilden That's how I did it in ESP classes. Bring two groups together afterwards. #eltchat |
| StudyBundles |
2014-10-01T11:26:14 |
@Philip_Saxon @Shaunwilden Good classroom management there (easier said than done I presume!) :) #ELTchat |
| Philip_Saxon |
2014-10-01T11:26:32 |
@Marisa_C Absolutely, this works tremendously in higher education with B2/C1 learners. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-01T11:27:06 |
Flipping may also mean that some topics can be actually taught BY the Ss - so presentation skills training important #eltchat |
| EdLaur |
2014-10-01T11:27:10 |
@McManusEdTech #eltchat They soon learn that while they're catching up, others are getting on with fun group projects. |
| rapple18 |
2014-10-01T11:27:24 |
RT @Marisa_C in a speaking lesson Ss could be asked to research topic for a debate #eltchat Done this. Ss obliged. Worked well! Clear task! |
| HanaTicha |
2014-10-01T11:27:39 |
@Marisa_C I think it may well work with reading - graded readers etc. Follow-up activities in the lesson. #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-01T11:27:44 |
RT @McManusEdTech: @Shaunwilden @klgree @Philip_Saxon #eltchat > replaying mute/not replaying & peers teach helps motivate work st home |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-01T11:27:44 |
@StudyBundles @Philip_Saxon Agreed gd CM vital but also not just going whole hog 1st time out out, ween sts on to FC #eltchat |
| janoreso |
2014-10-01T11:27:53 |
Also loved this > @Marisa_C Flipping may also mean that some topics can be actually taught BY the Ss #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-01T11:28:04 |
RT @HanaTicha: @Marisa_C I think it may well work with reading - graded readers etc. Follow-up activities in the lesson. #eltchat > super |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-01T11:28:10 |
@StudyBundles @HanaTicha @Marisa_C how do you spend individual time in class of 24? #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-01T11:28:32 |
RT @Marisa_C: Flipping also mean that some topics can be actually taught BY the Ss - so presentation skills training important #eltchat yes! |
| HanaTicha |
2014-10-01T11:28:43 |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @StudyBundles @HanaTicha @Marisa_C how do you spend individual time in class of 24? #eltchat > That's the question :-) |
| Philip_Saxon |
2014-10-01T11:28:53 |
Learner-centred options: ask students to research topics and post own videos with commentary on class blog. #eltchat |
| bealer81 |
2014-10-01T11:28:58 |
@Philip_Saxon Standard for ELT publications. If it's radical or a departure from the norm they don't want to know. #eltchat #fear |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-01T11:29:06 |
RT @HanaTicha: @Marisa_Cgraded readers etc. Follow-up activities in the lesson. #eltchat > this works really well :) |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-01T11:29:09 |
For a long listening like a ted talk or lecture, flipping it the best approach - then in class sections focused for microskills #eltchat |
| rapple18 |
2014-10-01T11:29:24 |
@Marisa_C deciding on best use of c/rm time praps means first coming up w list of flippin' ideas; then follow-up in-class tasks? #eltchat |
| bealer81 |
2014-10-01T11:29:30 |
RT @cerirhiannon: RT @bealer81: Does flipped learning reinforce compartmentalisation? #eltchat > for my beginners it really helped to isol… |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-01T11:29:42 |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @StudyBundles @HanaTicha @Marisa_C how spend indiv time in class of 24? #eltchat > set tasks in groups and monitor? |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-01T11:29:44 |
@Philip_Saxon This feels more like it would generally be a post task after a lesson on presenting ect. or am i misunderstading? #eltchat |
| StudyBundles |
2014-10-01T11:29:46 |
@EdLaur @McManusEdTech This is effective flipping, takes time to become effective - can't just click ur fingers (worth the effort!) #ELTchat |
| EdLaur |
2014-10-01T11:29:46 |
@MarjorieRosenbe @HanaTicha @Marisa_C #eltchat While teams work on projects, visit each group or individual briefly. help those in need |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-01T11:29:55 |
@rapple18 lol so flippin true! #eltchat |
| McManusEdTech |
2014-10-01T11:29:56 |
RT @Philip_Saxon: Learner-centred options: ask students to research topics and post own videos with commentary on class blog. #eltchat |
| rapple18 |
2014-10-01T11:30:29 |
RT @Marisa_C: For a long listening like a ted talk or lecture, flipping it the best approach - then in class sections focused for microskil… |
| EdLaur |
2014-10-01T11:30:29 |
RT @Marisa_C: For a long listening like a ted talk or lecture, flipping it the best approach - then in class sections focused for microskil… |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-01T11:30:35 |
Does flipping always mean using technology? Can they have text to read or vocab to prepare? #eltchat |
| Philip_Saxon |
2014-10-01T11:30:48 |
@01LPearson I think it could work within a sequence of lessons. Once Ss understand your role, you can delegate it. #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-01T11:30:54 |
RT @rapple18: @Marisa_C first coming up w list of flippin' ideas; then follow-up tasks? #eltchat > yes, tho smtms the ideas emerge in class |
| HanaTicha |
2014-10-01T11:31:01 |
It seems the input must be interesting and motivating if we want Ss to get things done. This is a real challenge #eltchat |
| Philip_Saxon |
2014-10-01T11:31:18 |
@MarjorieRosenbe Sure. #eltchat |
| janoreso |
2014-10-01T11:31:19 |
@MarjorieRosenbe Does flipping always mean using technology? Can they have text to read or vocab to prepare? #eltchat >> Any input |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-01T11:31:23 |
@MarjorieRosenbe Absolutely not! There is no need for tech in flipping! There is just the thought that it is likely to get done! #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-01T11:31:45 |
RT @HanaTicha: input must be interesting and motivating if we want Ss to get things done. This is a real challenge #eltchat > fundamental! |
| rapple18 |
2014-10-01T11:31:51 |
@cerirhiannon RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @StudyBundles @HanaTicha @Marisa_C indiv time w 24? #eltchat > Diff tasks 4 diff grps: sts teach each o |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-01T11:31:58 |
@Philip_Saxon @01LPearson delegate what? The prep time? Don't cthink mine will all do that. #eltchat |
| StudyBundles |
2014-10-01T11:32:15 |
@cerirhiannon @MarjorieRosenbe @HanaTicha @Marisa_C less presentation time=more opp. for T-ss / s-s interaction 50+? Nt sure! :) #ELTchat |
| EdLaur |
2014-10-01T11:32:32 |
@MarjorieRosenbe #eltchat Many mistakenly believe it is focused on tech, but not so. Any tool&material useful. learn at home, use in class |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-01T11:32:42 |
RT @EdLaur: @MarjorieRosenbe #eltchat Many mistakenly believe it is focused on tech, but not so. Any tool&material useful. learn at home, u… |
| bealer81 |
2014-10-01T11:32:43 |
I hate to be negative but flipping seems like another gimmicky label. It's just another name for well prepped hwk tasks. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-01T11:32:45 |
RT @EdLaur: @MarjorieRosenbe #eltchat Many mistakenly believe it is focused on tech, but not so. Any tool&material useful. learn at home, u… |
| Philip_Saxon |
2014-10-01T11:32:51 |
@MarjorieRosenbe I take the point, but a group might collaborate to put a post together. #eltchat |
| janoreso |
2014-10-01T11:33:08 |
@HanaTicha hopefully HWK is vaguely motivating anyway, if not, HWK is still HWK #eltchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-01T11:33:17 |
@bealer81 I think the difference IS fundamental. You are having Ss prepare for the next lesson and not revise the last. #eltchat |
| bealer81 |
2014-10-01T11:33:21 |
It seems like a lot of teachers are already doing a lot of these things but now they have a label for it. #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-01T11:33:28 |
@Philip_Saxon if you have a class blog. #eltchat Too complicated for me. And what about error correction? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-01T11:33:48 |
@bealer81 you are not the only person feeling this - and student agreement MUST be obtained - have the Ss signed up for this? #eltchat |
| McManusEdTech |
2014-10-01T11:33:48 |
@bealer81 i was just thinking the same thing. I'm not sure I understand the difference between homework and flipping #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-01T11:33:56 |
@bealer81 Always the way isn’t it, labels just get in the way of whats actually happening :-) #eltchat |
| StudyBundles |
2014-10-01T11:34:01 |
RT @HanaTicha: It seems the input must be interesting and motivating if we want Ss to get things done. This is a real challenge #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-01T11:34:05 |
RT @bealer81: another gimmicky label. just another name for well prepped hwk tasks. #eltchat > ;) can work well conversation-based classes |
| Philip_Saxon |
2014-10-01T11:34:07 |
@bealer81 Not new pedagogy, but much more tools available now. That's positive, I'd say. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-01T11:34:15 |
RT @Philip_Saxon: @bealer81 Not new pedagogy, but much more tools available now. That's positive, I'd say. #eltchat |
| janoreso |
2014-10-01T11:34:21 |
@MarjorieRosenbe what about error correction? #eltchat You have the whole lesson for error correction and practice ^_^ |
| angelos_bollas |
2014-10-01T11:34:21 |
@bealer81 hw is supposed to revisit things taught in class. Flipping is supposed to introduce things to be taught in class #eltchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-01T11:34:31 |
RT @angelos_bollas: @bealer81 hw is supposed to revisit things taught in class. Flipping is supposed to introduce things to be taught in cl… |
| StudyBundles |
2014-10-01T11:34:34 |
RT @01LPearson: @bealer81 I think the difference IS fundamental. You are having Ss prepare for the next lesson and not revise the last. #el… |
| bealer81 |
2014-10-01T11:34:40 |
RT @Philip_Saxon: @bealer81 Not new pedagogy, but much more tools available now. That's positive, I'd say. #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-01T11:34:45 |
@Marisa_C @bealer81 Agree. Many of mine do not want to spend time on computer at home. #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-01T11:34:50 |
RT @McManusEdTech: @bealer81not sure I understand the difference between homework and flipping #eltchat > a way of using/categorising hwk? |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-01T11:35:03 |
RT @Shaunwilden: @bealer81 Always the way isn’t it, labels just get in the way of whats actually happening :-) #eltchat :) |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-01T11:35:05 |
But it IS an important question - students must agree with this model #eltchat T roles and all that.. expectations.... |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-01T11:35:13 |
@angelos_bollas @bealer81 How did homework get labelled as a revisit thing? #eltchat |
| Philip_Saxon |
2014-10-01T11:35:15 |
@MarjorieRosenbe I guess that's something I'd reserve for other types of H/W. Blog is interactive, or can be. Extends practice. #eltchat |
| janoreso |
2014-10-01T11:35:22 |
Reaction to new method: "This is stupid!" and equally "We already do this!" #eltchat |
| EdLaur |
2014-10-01T11:35:30 |
@bealer81 #eltchat Here S prepare&learn grammar/topic at own pace, and develop knowledge in class with T there to help fill in gaps. |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-01T11:36:05 |
RT @angelos_bollas: @bealer81 hw revisit ... Flipping is introduce things to be taught in class #eltchat > to be explored not taught? |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-01T11:36:07 |
@bealer81 Agree. That was my Q about flipping alays incolving tech. #eltchat Unclear about that. |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-01T11:36:08 |
@EdLaur @bealer81 It also gives a lot more time to practice and fix errors in the classroom - which is surely a better use of class #eltchat |
| Philip_Saxon |
2014-10-01T11:36:13 |
@Marisa_C This is the hard part. But a demo video can allay concerns. #eltchat |
| rapple18 |
2014-10-01T11:36:27 |
I often give h'wk and flippin' tasks at same time; sts see the difference. Flip task crucial for next lesson. #eltchat |
| janoreso |
2014-10-01T11:36:40 |
This this>@EdLaur #eltchat Here S prepare&learn grammar/topic at own pace, and develop knowledge in class with T there to help fill in gaps. |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-01T11:36:50 |
@cerirhiannon @bealer81 Would agree wirh this. #eltchat |
| bealer81 |
2014-10-01T11:36:52 |
RT @Shaunwilden: @angelos_bollas @bealer81 How did homework get labelled as a revisit thing? #eltchat |
| EdLaur |
2014-10-01T11:37:20 |
@McManusEdTech #eltchat If i teach grammar, I introduce it to whole class, assumption is they're all at same level. flip lets S define pace |
| Philip_Saxon |
2014-10-01T11:37:21 |
@rapple18 So I assume: H/W reviews learning, Flip looks forward? #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-01T11:37:32 |
RT @Shaunwilden: @angelos_bollas @bealer81 How did homework get labelled as a revisit thing? #eltchat > bad labelling! |
| StudyBundles |
2014-10-01T11:37:45 |
1 task flipped effectively, 'ss are teachers' - ss research a topic (T can provide topics) & give ss 5 mins to teach peers in class #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-01T11:37:45 |
@Philip_Saxon @rapple18 I really don’t like the idea of hmk=review #eltchat |
| rapple18 |
2014-10-01T11:37:50 |
Think we need to be careful ('do Ss signing up to this' - @Marisa_C) that F2F lessons done develop into online Lg .. i.e. overload #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-01T11:38:08 |
RT @Philip_Saxon: @rapple18 So I assume: H/W reviews learning, Flip looks forward? #eltchat > flip is one kind of "homework" |
| EdLaur |
2014-10-01T11:38:08 |
RT @01LPearson: @EdLaur @bealer81 It also gives a lot more time to practice and fix errors in the classroom - which is surely a better use … |
| rapple18 |
2014-10-01T11:38:22 |
@Philip_Saxon Precisely :) #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-01T11:38:39 |
@cerirhiannon @McManusEdTech Agree that flipping is before and HW after. #eltchat So prep for class and revise after. #eltchat |
| StudyBundles |
2014-10-01T11:38:42 |
@EdLaur @McManusEdTech works effectively for strongest 20% and weakest 20% in class #ELTchat |
| janoreso |
2014-10-01T11:38:54 |
@Shaunwilden @Philip_Saxon @rapple18 I really don’t like the idea of hmk=review #eltchat > Me neither. That's why I flip. ^_^ |
| Philip_Saxon |
2014-10-01T11:39:02 |
@cerirhiannon Perhaps this is a useful way to reframe the question at the H/W end. But we should focus more on class time, I think. #eltchat |
| rapple18 |
2014-10-01T11:39:20 |
@Shaunwilden @Philip_Saxon @rapple18 I really don’t like the idea of hmk=review #eltchat Not only, of course. Just trying2deal w labels! |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-01T11:39:21 |
RT @janoreso: @Shaunwilden @Philip_Saxon @rapple18 don’t like the idea of hmk=review #eltchat > That's why I flip. ^_^ > like it :) |
| angelos_bollas |
2014-10-01T11:39:22 |
@Shaunwilden out of personal experience/practice @bealer81 #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-01T11:39:32 |
@EdLaur @HanaTicha @Marisa_C I do that anyway. #eltchat Not special to flipped classroom. |
| StudyBundles |
2014-10-01T11:39:57 |
RT @janoreso: @Shaunwilden @Philip_Saxon @rapple18 I really don’t like the idea of hmk=review #eltchat > Me neither. That's why I flip. ^_^ |
| Philip_Saxon |
2014-10-01T11:39:58 |
Practical question. If flipping saved you 30 mins out of a 90 min lesson, what would you do with time? Let's discuss advantages. #eltchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-01T11:40:01 |
@MarjorieRosenbe @EdLaur @HanaTicha @Marisa_C No, but in a flipped classroom there's much more time to do this! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-01T11:40:07 |
RT @Philip_Saxon: Practical question. If flipping saved you 30 mins out of a 90 min lesson, what would you do with time? Let's discuss adva… |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-01T11:40:18 |
@cerirhiannon @StudyBundles @HanaTicha @Marisa_C Have always done that. #eltchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-01T11:40:29 |
@Philip_Saxon Extra practice, more speaking time, higher levels of Error correction. #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-01T11:40:47 |
@janoreso So then what is new about it? #eltchat |
| Philip_Saxon |
2014-10-01T11:40:53 |
I think we can get a bit bogged down with tech, video. Not main issue. More practice time in class, how to use it? #eltchat |
| klgree |
2014-10-01T11:41:08 |
@Philip_Saxon I'd like my ss to have more speaking time. I like the debate idea previously mentioned...what else is working? #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2014-10-01T11:41:10 |
@Philip_Saxon More production on the Ss's part? #eltchat Receptive skills practised in advance. More interaction, cooperation #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-01T11:41:22 |
@cerirhiannon i don’t think it has 2 b flip either,i.e if i ask sts to find a recipe 4 next lesson (In eng) as the topic is food. #eltchat |
| Philip_Saxon |
2014-10-01T11:41:26 |
@MarjorieRosenbe But they surely do want to practice in class? Can't they see benefits? #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-01T11:41:40 |
RT @Philip_Saxon: what do with time? #eltchat expand on topic, deal with emergent interests/needs/language - think of next "flipped" task |
| angelos_bollas |
2014-10-01T11:41:44 |
@MarjorieRosenbe the name, possibly @janoreso #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-01T11:41:56 |
@01LPearson Get done by whom? T or st? Rate of doing with or w/o tech about the same for my sts. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-01T11:41:58 |
@klgree @Philip_Saxon Case studies for problem solving and role simulation activities - #ELTchat all those documents need to be studied |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-01T11:42:27 |
@rapple18 @cerirhiannon @StudyBundles @HanaTicha @Marisa_C Sounds like cooperative learning. #eltchat |
| EdLaur |
2014-10-01T11:42:31 |
@Philip_Saxon #eltchat More time to be creative. Putting content into practical use. |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-01T11:42:37 |
@MarjorieRosenbe I meant that if it is a short video more Ss will do it than a long reading / guided grammar discovery task #eltchat |
| Philip_Saxon |
2014-10-01T11:42:49 |
Debate, role play and case studies are all great. #eltchat |
| StudyBundles |
2014-10-01T11:43:14 |
@MarjorieRosenbe @HanaTicha @Marisa_C flipping doesn't change much about an Elt class, just gives more opp. 4 the good stuff! #ELTchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-01T11:43:29 |
Basically using the time for Ss to practice producing language instead of 'learning' it! #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-01T11:43:31 |
@janoreso I think you missed my point I wasn’t arguing that #eltchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-01T11:43:36 |
RT @StudyBundles: @MarjorieRosenbe @HanaTicha @Marisa_C flipping doesn't change much about an Elt class, just gives more opp. 4 the good st… |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-01T11:43:39 |
@Philip_Saxon In class or after class? #eltchat My sts don't see each other after class and don't communicate with each other. #eltchat |
| bealer81 |
2014-10-01T11:43:42 |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @rapple18 @cerirhiannon @StudyBundles @HanaTicha @Marisa_C Sounds like cooperative learning. #eltchat |
| janoreso |
2014-10-01T11:43:47 |
@Shaunwilden Cool cool #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-01T11:43:57 |
RT @Philip_Saxon: Debate, role play and case studies are all great. #eltchat > yes, tasks that let us notice gaps and let ss activate lang |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-01T11:43:59 |
Collaborative writing - e,g, on google docs could precede or follow a lesson #eltchat |
| Philip_Saxon |
2014-10-01T11:44:16 |
Could have Ss prepare Q and A - for each other. #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-01T11:44:22 |
RT @01LPearson: Basically using the time for Ss to practice producing language instead of 'learning' it! #eltchat > :) |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-01T11:44:34 |
cont,... in which case class time would be used for peer editing feedback and final draf #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-01T11:45:18 |
@StudyBundles @HanaTicha @Marisa_C What is 'the good stuff'? We may all have diff idea of this. For me it's the communication. #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2014-10-01T11:45:27 |
What if you discover Ss didn't find the topic interesting. May be too late to change the plan. What do you do then? #eltchat |
| StudyBundles |
2014-10-01T11:45:33 |
@klgree @Philip_Saxon productive tasks - ss teach one another, collaborative writing tasks, problem solving, ordering tasks..#ELTchat |
| janoreso |
2014-10-01T11:45:35 |
@Marisa_C in which case class time would be used for peer editing feedback and final draf #eltchat Like this |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-01T11:45:48 |
Interviewing an expertor even non experts in L1 to use as data in a speaking or writing project to be done in class #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-01T11:45:53 |
#eltchat with exam classes they do the section at home and we trouble shoot in class |
| Philip_Saxon |
2014-10-01T11:46:11 |
Collaborative writing also good. Could flip screencast of self marking fictitious essay as input, then set task. @Marisa_C #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-01T11:46:17 |
@Marisa_C cont or in L2 ddepending on level #eltchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-01T11:46:18 |
@HanaTicha That's good too; why did they hate it, what would have made it more interesting! - Produce your own interesting article! #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-01T11:46:23 |
@01LPearson Point taken. That's how my classes are always run. #eltchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-01T11:46:39 |
@MarjorieRosenbe :) #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2014-10-01T11:46:57 |
@StudyBundles @MarjorieRosenbe @HanaTicha @Marisa_C Could work great with CLIL; SS study subject home and focus on lang in class #eltchat |
| janoreso |
2014-10-01T11:47:05 |
@HanaTicha What if you discover Ss didn't find the topic interesting. #eltchat What do you do in after regular but boring in-class text? |
| Philip_Saxon |
2014-10-01T11:47:12 |
Could invite outsiders in to be interviewed, if this connects with flipped content. #eltchat |
| bealer81 |
2014-10-01T11:47:38 |
There seems to be a certain disempowerment of Ts if we simply tell sts, do the learning & we'll assist in the production nxt class #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2014-10-01T11:47:47 |
Flipping = practising Krashen's input, the actual lesson= Swan's output :-) #eltchat |
| bealer81 |
2014-10-01T11:47:55 |
RT @cerirhiannon: RT @01LPearson: Basically using the time for Ss to practice producing language instead of 'learning' it! #eltchat > :) |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-01T11:48:10 |
@bealer81 I'm fine with being 'disempowered' so long as my Ss learn quicker and more effectively! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-01T11:48:21 |
@bealer81 good point - so there must be a really powerful reason for this - like Ss can only meet for one hour each week? #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-01T11:48:47 |
RT @bealer81: There seems to be a certain disempowerment #eltchat > really?? from you Adam? don't we support and facilitate? |
| HanaTicha |
2014-10-01T11:48:54 |
@janoreso I knew sb would aks this. I guess it's the same :-) #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2014-10-01T11:48:57 |
@bealer81 Instead of assisting w/ production, T could go deeper in exploring learners’ output? #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-01T11:49:03 |
RT @01LPearson: @bealer81 I'm fine with being 'disempowered' so long as my Ss learn quicker and more effectively! #eltchat > :) |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-01T11:49:18 |
@bealer81 ... I exaggerate a bit here of course - and Ss must agree to do this and be committed to doing the work #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-01T11:49:22 |
@01LPearson @EdLaur @HanaTicha @Marisa_C Sovif class concentrates on communication & prep is done at home, then it is flipped? #eltchat |
| EdLaur |
2014-10-01T11:49:23 |
@HanaTicha #eltchat For me, Flipping is linked to specific language/grammar/ function. Not topic. S interested bc it's needed for class task |
| rapple18 |
2014-10-01T11:49:25 |
@angelos_bollas@Marisa_C Cld work great w CLIL; SS study subject home + focus on lang in class #eltchat But 'sts study new lang at home'?? |
| StudyBundles |
2014-10-01T11:49:34 |
@bealer81 Empowering the ss though! Certainly discourages the spoon-fed approach and promotes learner autonomy! #ELTchat |
| bealer81 |
2014-10-01T11:50:01 |
@01LPearson I'm not happy with it! Because before you know it you're not needed. #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2014-10-01T11:50:19 |
@rapple18 @Marisa_C Prepare for new lang at home and study it in class #eltchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-01T11:50:39 |
@bealer81 Yes, yes you are, you arae needed to correct mistakes, advise on linguistic improvement! ... and, ya'know set the work! #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2014-10-01T11:51:06 |
@EdLaur Maybe. I see it closely linked to the topic though. Grammar wrapped in an interesting content and authentic context #eltchat |
| MaryDaisy4 |
2014-10-01T11:51:08 |
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| WolfeOrdwald |
2014-10-01T11:51:08 |
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| Philip_Saxon |
2014-10-01T11:51:10 |
Not sure I see T as disempowered. Oxbridge tutorial system works similar way. Don't see dons there as disempowered. #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-01T11:51:11 |
@01LPearson @bealer81 Would be interesting to know if they do learn better. Is there research on this?#eltchat |
| janoreso |
2014-10-01T11:51:19 |
@rapple18 #eltchat But 'sts study new lang at home'?? >> Can be done. Self study works for many language learners |
| bealer81 |
2014-10-01T11:51:25 |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @01LPearson @bealer81 Would be interesting to know if they do learn better. Is there research on this?#eltchat |
| StudyBundles |
2014-10-01T11:51:28 |
@01LPearson @EdLaur @HanaTicha @Marisa_C Sovif class concentrates on communication & prep is done at home, then it is flipped? #eltchat>YES! |
| BaileyDiamond1 |
2014-10-01T11:51:29 |
#eltchat #hannahmontana Subliminal #secrets exposed.: Make Subliminal Messages. http://t.co/3d9a9yIHDH |
| EdLaur |
2014-10-01T11:51:32 |
@bealer81 @01LPearson #eltchat Our goal .... Guide on the side, not sage on the stage, as they say. |
| rapple18 |
2014-10-01T11:51:46 |
@angelos_bollas @rapple18 @Marisa_C Prepare for new lang at home and study it in class #eltchat Grt but what prep tasks do U have in mind? |
| HanaTicha |
2014-10-01T11:52:04 |
@janoreso @rapple18 I guess it works best for highly autonomous learners #eltchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-01T11:52:23 |
@MarjorieRosenbe I haven't seen any empirical evidence as I haven't done a great deal of research into it, but for me it works! #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-01T11:52:45 |
@BaileyDiamond1@BaileyDiamond1 Please refrain from posting non topic tweets during live #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-01T11:52:47 |
@01LPearson @EdLaur @HanaTicha @Marisa_C so if prep done at home & communication in class is not flipped then I don't get it. #eltchat |
| janoreso |
2014-10-01T11:53:10 |
@rapple18 #eltchat Grt but what prep tasks do U have in mind? >> Guided discovery worksheet. Self-study guides exist for English too. |
| rapple18 |
2014-10-01T11:53:24 |
@janoreso I don't deny it. But some sts dont sign up for this. Plus I prefer a guided discovery approach, not 'reading the rules' #eltchat |
| StudyBundles |
2014-10-01T11:53:48 |
@HanaTicha @janoreso @rapple18 agreed, but it can be an effective approach to encouraging autonomy in those who're more T reliant #ELTchat |
| 01LPearson |
2014-10-01T11:54:01 |
@rapple18 @janoreso But you can get them to do the guided discovery part at home! #eltchat |
| elawassell |
2014-10-01T11:54:19 |
@rapple18 @angelos_bollas @Marisa_C also what happens when the Ss "forget" to do the task? #eltchat |
| rapple18 |
2014-10-01T11:54:24 |
@janoreso touché - great! #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-01T11:54:27 |
@Philip_Saxon That's what I do anyway. But without hours of tech prep. When I did it they complained about amt of hw. #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2014-10-01T11:54:39 |
@rapple18 select and bring real samples of TL (texts, audio) use in class next time. SS explore context & function @Marisa_C #eltchat |
| Philip_Saxon |
2014-10-01T11:54:50 |
@rapple18 Agree so far very much. CLIL fantastic, but not yet flipping with Gen English. #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2014-10-01T11:55:03 |
What do you say to the potential lack of the element of surprise. Ss know in advance what's awaiting them :-) #eltchat |
| rapple18 |
2014-10-01T11:55:18 |
@StudyBundles @HanaTicha @janoreso Sure I use it - just playing devil's adv. cos no 1 class has full of autonomous sts ;) #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-01T11:55:28 |
RT @HanaTicha: What do you say to the potential lack of the element of surprise. :-) #eltchat > only the first step ;) |
| StudyBundles |
2014-10-01T11:56:00 |
@01LPearson @MarjorieRosenbe It'd be good to read some properly researched evidence, but anecdotally it works for me too #ELTchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-01T11:56:02 |
@01LPearson I suspect we do the same things, just with different terminolgy. My sts come to class to communicate. #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
2014-10-01T11:56:23 |
@elawassell lol - don’t we live in an ideal world? @rapple18 @Marisa_C #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-01T11:56:34 |
@HanaTicha Is this an problem? Don’t we tell classes before we start the topic of the lesson anyway? #eltchat |
| danapokle |
2014-10-01T11:56:36 |
@Marisa_C @MarjorieRosenbe @Philip_Saxon hi #eltchat can join you for some min before my class |
| Philip_Saxon |
2014-10-01T11:56:45 |
@bealer81 Pretty sure I was still pivotal in my CLIL classroom. But we covered masses of content, our work-rate was very high. #eltchat |
| janoreso |
2014-10-01T11:56:51 |
@HanaTicha potential lack of the element of surprise. Ss know in advance what's awaiting them :-) #eltchat I'm a teacher not a magician! :P |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-01T11:57:00 |
@StudyBundles @01LPearson @EdLaur @HanaTicha @Marisa_C OK. Then my classroom is flipped. Yay! :-) #eltchat |
| SerraRoseli |
2014-10-01T11:57:24 |
The Flipped Classroom – an #ELTChat Summary http://t.co/lLuYYX7wiR via @ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-01T11:57:25 |
As we approach the end of today’s #eltchat do we have a volunteer for the summary? |
| Philip_Saxon |
2014-10-01T11:57:34 |
@MarjorieRosenbe Sorry, missed this earlier. In class, definitely. #eltchat |
| rapple18 |
2014-10-01T11:57:43 |
@HanaTicha Agree. Disappointing ! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-01T11:57:49 |
@Shaunwilden great minds .... :-D #ELTchat |
| HanaTicha |
2014-10-01T11:58:08 |
@Shaunwilden Not a problem. Just that expectation and surprise can be motivating, esp with YL. I love them myself :-) #eltchat |
| SerraRoseli |
2014-10-01T11:58:22 |
The Flipped Classroom – an #ELTChat Summaryhttp://t.co/zS21o1S5Vr |
| Philip_Saxon |
2014-10-01T11:58:23 |
@HanaTicha Put it down to experience, but consult re topics. What would they choose? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-01T11:58:42 |
@angelos_bollas done! Transcript late today - by @SueAnnan #eltchat |
| SerraRoseli |
2014-10-01T11:58:49 |
» The Flipped Classroom – an #ELTChat Summary http://t.co/w0xZFHX8nq |
| StudyBundles |
2014-10-01T11:59:01 |
@janoreso @HanaTicha But surely you can juggle while discussing the present perfect!? :) #ELTchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2014-10-01T11:59:05 |
#eltchat great to be back, been good chatting to you all, thanks for the stimulating conversation ... off to cook |
| angelos_bollas |
2014-10-01T11:59:14 |
@Marisa_C ok! @SueAnnan #eltchat |
| Philip_Saxon |
2014-10-01T11:59:18 |
#eltchat Great discussion everyone, lots of interesting views. |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-01T11:59:34 |
@cerirhiannon great to have u back - don't go being a stranger again #eltchat |
| StudyBundles |
2014-10-01T11:59:41 |
@Shaunwilden Happy to do it #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-01T12:00:04 |
@01LPearson @HanaTicha Yeah surprise - i have loads of hmk for you ;-) #eltchat |
| janoreso |
2014-10-01T12:00:07 |
thanks guys! #eltchat |
| EdLaur |
2014-10-01T12:00:16 |
@Shaunwilden @HanaTicha #eltchat They don't have to know what they'll be doing with the content. The in class practice task's a surprise. |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-10-01T12:00:29 |
@Philip_Saxon thanks. #eltchat |
| rapple18 |
2014-10-01T12:00:31 |
Fast and furious today - lots of food for thought. Good luck! @angelos_bollas Thanks, everyone! #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2014-10-01T12:00:44 |
@StudyBundles I think @angelos_bollas volunteered #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-01T12:00:55 |
Thanks to all for a great #ELTchat today! Pros and cons aired extensively - it's a choice isn't it but worth trying out |
| HanaTicha |
2014-10-01T12:00:59 |
Happy to be connected again. The corridor full of screaming Ss added a special touch to this chat :-) #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2014-10-01T12:02:29 |
@Philip_Saxon @danapokle @MarjorieRosenbe nice idea yes! #eltchat |
| danapokle |
2014-10-01T12:06:02 |
@Philip_Saxon @Marisa_C @MarjorieRosenbe sorry to join you late having breakfast before teaching tks #eltchat |
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