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SueAnnan |
2014-06-11T20:00:21 |
#eltchat Good Evening everyone |
HanaTicha |
2014-06-11T20:00:48 |
Good evening #eltchat |
KateLloyd05 |
2014-06-11T20:00:54 |
Hi all #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2014-06-11T20:01:20 |
Good evening everyone - here we go on #eltchat |
01LPearson |
2014-06-11T20:01:27 |
#eltchat Hello everyone |
naomishema |
2014-06-11T20:01:28 |
Hello from a sleepy teacher! Will try to stay awake #eltchat |
Ashowski |
2014-06-11T20:01:38 |
@sueannan good evening Sue and everyone participating this evening :-) a hello from a warm #Poland #eltchat |
Ashowski |
2014-06-11T20:02:08 |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @Ashowski: @ELTchat here is the #eltchat summary on Online #CPD : http://t.co/m83evRAJQE #ELT > Τhanks!!! |
SueAnnan |
2014-06-11T20:02:18 |
@Marisa_C Hi Marisa and Naomi #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2014-06-11T20:02:21 |
@01LPearson Hi Luke and welcome - your topic I think :-) Is this your first #eltchat? |
esolcourses |
2014-06-11T20:02:25 |
Hi everybody! #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
2014-06-11T20:02:33 |
Good evening everyone. Unfortunately I cannot participate tonight. :-( enjoy the chat. If no one signs up for summary, I can do it #eltchat |
KateLloyd05 |
2014-06-11T20:02:49 |
@Ashowski @SueAnnan hi from equally warm Ukraine #eltchat |
Ashowski |
2014-06-11T20:02:51 |
@01lpearson good evening Luke, nice to see you here ^_^ #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2014-06-11T20:03:02 |
@esolcourses @angelos_bollas @SueAnnan @Ashowski @naomishema @01LPearson Welcome all #eltchat |
01LPearson |
2014-06-11T20:03:04 |
No, this wasn't my topic, and it's my second thanks :D @Marisa_C #eltchat |
Ashowski |
2014-06-11T20:03:33 |
@marisa_c @01lpearson You suggested this topic Luke? #eltchat #impressed |
Philip_Saxon |
2014-06-11T20:03:48 |
Hi everyone! #eltchat |
joannacre |
2014-06-11T20:04:14 |
hello :) #eltchat |
01LPearson |
2014-06-11T20:04:20 |
@Ashowski @Marisa_C Sadly not! It's a really good topic and I wish i could take the credit for it! #eltchat |
Laila_Khairat |
2014-06-11T20:04:26 |
Hello everyone :) #eltchat |
Ashowski |
2014-06-11T20:04:28 |
@philip_saxon Hi Philip! Welcome to #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
2014-06-11T20:04:36 |
Hi everyone! #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
2014-06-11T20:04:41 |
@01LPearson you're right it was @SueAnnan :-D sorry Sue! :-) #eltchat so you fire away your questions? |
Philip_Saxon |
2014-06-11T20:05:05 |
So the question is how to earn more respect? Have I understood correctly? #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-06-11T20:05:07 |
@AshowskiIt's my topic. I was sick of teachers looking down their nose at my profession as something secondclass#eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-06-11T20:05:28 |
@Marisa_C @esolcourses @angelos_bollas @SueAnnan @Ashowski @naomishema @01LPearson hi everyone. What's the topic? #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
2014-06-11T20:05:35 |
@Marisa_C @esolcourses @SueAnnan @Ashowski @naomishema @01LPearson Good evening! I am at a B-party. My contribution will be limited #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2014-06-11T20:05:57 |
Hi @Laila_Khairat welcome long suffering @theteacherjames by the pool and u 2 @MarjorieRosenbe #eltchat |
KateLloyd05 |
2014-06-11T20:05:57 |
@SueAnnan ditto #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-06-11T20:06:14 |
Do you have the same experience? #eltchat |
KateLloyd05 |
2014-06-11T20:06:29 |
@SueAnnan or as something anyone can do, "it's just talking to people" #eltchat |
naomishema |
2014-06-11T20:06:52 |
I have the experience of general lack of respect for teachers, not partucilarly 4 Eng. teachers #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
2014-06-11T20:07:02 |
@Marisa_C sacrifices I make for #ELTchat ;-) |
esolcourses |
2014-06-11T20:07:10 |
RT @naomishema: I have the experience of general lack of respect for teachers, not partucilarly 4 Eng. teachers #eltchat ] same here |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-06-11T20:07:15 |
@naomishema hi Naomi. Good to read you here. #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-06-11T20:07:40 |
@naomishema people seem to think that you just need a 4 week CELTA and they train for years :-( #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
2014-06-11T20:07:46 |
@SueAnnan When did this happen to you? #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
2014-06-11T20:07:52 |
In my world, many ELT Ts are paid less than 20% of what they used to get 5-6 yrs ago #Eltchat |
LizziePinard |
2014-06-11T20:08:00 |
#eltchat hi all |
01LPearson |
2014-06-11T20:08:39 |
#eltchat The thing I've noticed is the lack of respect from other teachers. I have a friend who completed a PGCE and asked me what I did thn |
KateLloyd05 |
2014-06-11T20:08:43 |
@naomishema or that you don't need any quals at all #eltchat |
esolcourses |
2014-06-11T20:08:45 |
RT @Marisa_C: In my world, many ELT Ts are paid less than 20% of what they used to get 5-6 yrs ago #Eltchat ] same here, if not more so :-( |
SueAnnan |
2014-06-11T20:08:59 |
@theteacherjames It's a regular occurence. I hate people looking down their noses #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
2014-06-11T20:09:28 |
In Greece, being an EFL teacher means you just got the proficiency. Therefore, no respect (pay, etc) #eltchat |
RELOBudapest |
2014-06-11T20:09:40 |
RT @ELPrograms: Physical fitness linked to improved language skills in children http://t.co/DKwfFdnZD1 #ELTchat #wlteach #tesol |
LizziePinard |
2014-06-11T20:09:44 |
#eltchat i think generally speaking ELT T's get less than primary/secondary/tertiary T's? |
HanaTicha |
2014-06-11T20:09:49 |
I've often experienced sort of schizophrenic reactions - I felt it was respect hidden in mockery #eltchat Can't do sth well? - Then teach! |
SueAnnan |
2014-06-11T20:09:51 |
@Marisa_C is it the same with 'normal' school teachers? #eltchat |
KateLloyd05 |
2014-06-11T20:09:54 |
"When are you going to get a proper job?" Familiar question to anyone? #eltchat |
Ashowski |
2014-06-11T20:10:17 |
RT @SueAnnan: @AshowskiIt's my topic. I was sick of teachers looking down their nose at my profession as something secondclass#eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2014-06-11T20:10:30 |
RT @KateLloyd05: "When are you going to get a proper job?" Familiar question to anyone? #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
2014-06-11T20:10:38 |
@SueAnnan so it’s other non-ELT teachers you know? #ELTchat |
01LPearson |
2014-06-11T20:10:39 |
#eltchat The problem is it's a problem which lacks a clear solution - There are too many 'mickey mouse' schools where people do just talk. |
Ashowski |
2014-06-11T20:10:51 |
@angelos_bollas @marisa_c @esolcourses @sueannan @naomishema @01lpearson glad you might still contribute - even from bday party :) #eltchat |
bernardodemaere |
2014-06-11T20:10:52 |
RT @Marisa_C: In my world, many ELT Ts are paid less than 20% of what they used to get 5-6 yrs ago #Eltchat |
Laila_Khairat |
2014-06-11T20:10:58 |
@SueAnnan when I told my fellow primary Ts about wanting to change teaching context to EFL abroad I got "hmmm"s #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2014-06-11T20:11:16 |
@SueAnnan No 'normal' school Ts' pay has suffered some cuts but not that heavy #eltchat hourlay paid Ts suffer most |
Philip_Saxon |
2014-06-11T20:11:18 |
I once asked my class of marketing students if they thought teaching was a good profession to belong to. No one agreed. #eltchat |
KateLloyd05 |
2014-06-11T20:11:22 |
@01LPearson yes, agree #eltchat |
Ashowski |
2014-06-11T20:11:25 |
@sueannan I know a colleague at work who has had this problem #eltchat but not me personally |
SueAnnan |
2014-06-11T20:11:31 |
RT @KateLloyd05: "When are you going to get a proper job?" Familiar question to anyone? #eltchat |
Ashowski |
2014-06-11T20:11:44 |
@lizziepinard hi lizzie! how are you? #eltchat |
01LPearson |
2014-06-11T20:11:47 |
@Ashowski @angelos_bollas @Marisa_C @esolcourses @SueAnnan @naomishema #eltchat #truededication! |
naomishema |
2014-06-11T20:11:56 |
The trouble is ELT teachers R now reacting 2 Q: With your Eng. why aren't u in High-Tech by ACTUALLY LEAVING. Shortage here #eltchat |
Ashowski |
2014-06-11T20:11:58 |
RT @Marisa_C: In my world, many ELT Ts are paid less than 20% of what they used to get 5-6 yrs ago #Eltchat |
Ashowski |
2014-06-11T20:12:03 |
RT @01LPearson: #eltchat The thing I've noticed is the lack of respect from other teachers. I have a friend who completed a PGCE and asked … |
duygucandarli |
2014-06-11T20:12:07 |
RT @esolcourses: RT @Marisa_C: In my world, many ELT Ts are paid less than 20% of what they used to get 5-6 yrs ago #Eltchat ] same here, i… |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-06-11T20:12:10 |
@SueAnnan most institutions in Austria pay language teachers far less than other teachers, eg ICT or business studies teachers. #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2014-06-11T20:12:21 |
But what you're all saying is not just about the money - it's the attitude that we;re not doing a real job!!! #eltchat |
Ashowski |
2014-06-11T20:12:28 |
@01lpearson I think this is very common and an awful misperception of our job and the professional behaviour involved #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-06-11T20:12:45 |
@Marisa_C It seems to be more difficult to be taken seriously when there are backpackers who will do the job cheaply too #eltchat |
Ashowski |
2014-06-11T20:12:53 |
@lizziepinard I think that is correct Lizzie #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-06-11T20:12:53 |
@SueAnnan definitely in some placs. #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
2014-06-11T20:13:08 |
@KateLloyd05 I think it depends on your background. My family are pretty pleased to have a teacher, I think! #ELTchat |
LizziePinard |
2014-06-11T20:13:15 |
@Ashowski #eltchat good thanks :) you? |
naomishema |
2014-06-11T20:13:21 |
RT @theteacherjames: @KateLloyd05 I think it depends on your background. My family are pretty pleased to have a teacher, I think! #ELTchat |
Ashowski |
2014-06-11T20:13:29 |
@hanaticha It's that awful phrase: "those who can, can; those who can't, teach" #eltchat |
seburnt |
2014-06-11T20:13:29 |
@Marisa_C I haven't faced this attitude nor decrease in wage at all, thankfully. #eltchat |
HanaTicha |
2014-06-11T20:13:29 |
@SueAnnan @Marisa_C So it implies we should get formal qualifications #eltchat |
naomishema |
2014-06-11T20:13:46 |
RT @theteacherjames: @KateLloyd05. My family are pretty pleased to have a teacher, I think! #ELTchat > MINE TOO! |
SueAnnan |
2014-06-11T20:13:52 |
@Marisa_C exactly. How can we combat such an attitude? #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2014-06-11T20:14:00 |
@seburnt @HanaTicha @LizziePinard Welcome :-) #eltchat |
HanaTicha |
2014-06-11T20:14:05 |
RT @Ashowski: @hanaticha It's that awful phrase: "those who can, can; those who can't, teach" #eltchat > yes, this one |
Ashowski |
2014-06-11T20:14:10 |
RT @01LPearson: @Ashowski @angelos_bollas @Marisa_C @esolcourses @SueAnnan @naomishema #eltchat #truededication! |
Marisa_C |
2014-06-11T20:14:22 |
@HanaTicha @Ashowski god yes #eltchat |
naomishema |
2014-06-11T20:14:27 |
RT @HanaTicha: RT @Ashowski: @hanaticha It's that awful phrase: "those who can, can; those who can't, teach" #eltchat > yes, this one |
LizziePinard |
2014-06-11T20:14:27 |
#eltchat i think the problem is along with dedicated professionals, there are the traveller teachers, gap year types etc |
KateLloyd05 |
2014-06-11T20:14:32 |
@theteacherjames not from family, I come from a teaching family.....but others - EFL not seen same as state school #eltchat |
joannacre |
2014-06-11T20:14:46 |
@SueAnnan @Marisa_C or who say they teach cause they want to travel #eltchat |
Ashowski |
2014-06-11T20:15:01 |
@marisa_c that's right, not just the finance but the approach others have to our jobs. as @01LPearson put it: mickey mouse jobs #eltchat |
KateLloyd05 |
2014-06-11T20:15:07 |
@LizziePinard yup #eltchat |
Laila_Khairat |
2014-06-11T20:15:15 |
“@seburnt: @Marisa_C I haven't faced this attitude nor decrease in wage at all, thankfully. #eltchat” So lucky:) |
joannacre |
2014-06-11T20:15:38 |
@HanaTicha @Ashowski ah yeah!! I hate that one!!! #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-06-11T20:15:43 |
@LizziePinard Hi Lizzie, Marisa, James. Philip, both Sues. #eltchat |
Ashowski |
2014-06-11T20:15:48 |
@sueannan @marisa_c this is where what @01LPearson refers to as "mickey mouse" schools come in to undermind :-/ #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2014-06-11T20:15:56 |
So how can Ts like urselves, web savy, power bloggers do? Seems to me we have a medium and message #eltchat |
Ashowski |
2014-06-11T20:16:21 |
@lizziepinard A little disappointed as just finished baking rice pudding but failed ever so slightly :-/ #eltchat |
01LPearson |
2014-06-11T20:16:26 |
#eltchat TBF even among CELTA/Trinity graduates you have a split at times between those who want to teach and those who want to travel |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-06-11T20:16:27 |
@Ashowski @HanaTicha Those who believe it should try it some time. #eltchat |
HanaTicha |
2014-06-11T20:16:38 |
@Marisa_C The medium gives us power and confidence - stronger than qualifications sometimes #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
2014-06-11T20:16:42 |
I think the first step in increasing professionalisation is for us to act as professionals. Walk the walk. #ELTchat is an example. |
Ashowski |
2014-06-11T20:16:48 |
@seburnt @marisa_c economic situation in Canada is pretty good then? #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-06-11T20:16:52 |
@theteacherjames @KateLloyd05 @naomishema Mine do too, but my husband's family aren't even vaguely impressed-all doctors! #eltchat |
LizziePinard |
2014-06-11T20:16:53 |
@Marisa_C #eltchat but how can we influence hiring practice? there will always be private lang schs who want cheapest T's/monkey NS etc |
esolcourses |
2014-06-11T20:17:04 |
RT @theteacherjames: I think the first step in increasing professionalisation is for us to act as professionals. Walk the walk. #ELTchat is… |
KateLloyd05 |
2014-06-11T20:17:06 |
@01LPearson can u not want both? #eltchat |
Laila_Khairat |
2014-06-11T20:17:34 |
RT @theteacherjames: I think the first step in increasing professionalisation is for us to act as professionals. Walk the walk. #ELTchat is… |
seburnt |
2014-06-11T20:17:37 |
@Ashowski @Marisa_C Comparatively, I guess. #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2014-06-11T20:17:38 |
@LizziePinard I'm saying let's blog about it in all the languages of the world #eltchat Let's make videos and put them up on You Tube |
angelos_bollas |
2014-06-11T20:17:46 |
Don't we need to teach employers to hire only qualified Ts? #eltchat |
KateLloyd05 |
2014-06-11T20:17:48 |
@LizziePinard @Marisa_C different business models #eltchat |
Ashowski |
2014-06-11T20:17:57 |
I think a good beginning would be to get British Government to recognise our work as #teaching and count towards PGCE #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-06-11T20:17:59 |
@Marisa_C Goid question. At least we know what we can do. I think many sts realise it as well. #eltchat |
HanaTicha |
2014-06-11T20:18:03 |
RT @Marisa_C: @LizziePinard I'm saying let's blog about it in all the languages of the world #eltchat Let's make videos and put them up on … |
SueAnnan |
2014-06-11T20:18:05 |
@theteacherjames should there be a recognised qualification that everyone needs , or a body we all belong to? #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
2014-06-11T20:18:24 |
RT @Marisa_C: @LizziePinard I'm saying let's blog about it in all the languages of the world #eltchat Let's make videos and put them up on … |
Ashowski |
2014-06-11T20:18:48 |
If u want to get QTS in UK you stand better chance being a youth worker or scout leader than #ELT teacher teaching kids with DELTA #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-06-11T20:18:52 |
@theteacherjames And go to conferences and write for journals and see ourselves as professionals. #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
2014-06-11T20:18:56 |
I’m a professional. If other people don’t see it that way, I couldn’t care less. My students & my employers know. #ELTchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-06-11T20:19:00 |
@Marisa_C are we just talking to ourselves though? #eltchat |
Ashowski |
2014-06-11T20:19:01 |
RT @theteacherjames: I think the first step in increasing professionalisation is for us to act as professionals. Walk the walk. #ELTchat is… |
Marisa_C |
2014-06-11T20:19:06 |
@Philip_Saxon @LizziePinard yes! I had some bable account ask me if i was a NEST and qualified I could get a job #eltchat no other way :-D |
Ashowski |
2014-06-11T20:19:21 |
RT @Marisa_C: @LizziePinard I'm saying let's blog about it in all the languages of the world #eltchat Let's make videos and put them up on … |
LizziePinard |
2014-06-11T20:19:33 |
RT @Ashowski: I think a good beginning would be to get British Government to recognise our work as #teaching and count towards PGCE #eltchat |
Ashowski |
2014-06-11T20:19:35 |
@marisa_c @lizziepinard this is a good idea! get the message out there en masse - #eltchat |
HanaTicha |
2014-06-11T20:19:39 |
@Marisa_C @Philip_Saxon @LizziePinard Me too!! I got offended immediately :-) #eltchat |
01LPearson |
2014-06-11T20:19:42 |
RT @Ashowski: I think a good beginning would be to get British Government to recognise our work as #teaching and count towards PGCE #eltchat |
Ashowski |
2014-06-11T20:19:50 |
@angelos_bollas I fear some may never learn :-/ #eltchat |
esolcourses |
2014-06-11T20:19:51 |
@theteacherjames agree James. Asserting our right to be treated and paid as professionals is the next step, maybe? :-) #eltchat |
stephentimothy |
2014-06-11T20:19:52 |
RT @01LPearson: #eltchat The thing I've noticed is the lack of respect from other teachers. I have a friend who completed a PGCE and asked … |
angelos_bollas |
2014-06-11T20:19:57 |
@theteacherjames not everywhere though! #eltchat |
KateLloyd05 |
2014-06-11T20:20:04 |
RT @theteacherjames: I’m a professional. If other people don’t see it that way, I couldn’t care less. My students & my employers know. #ELT… |
Marisa_C |
2014-06-11T20:20:08 |
RT @SueAnnan: @Marisa_C are we just talking to ourselves though? #eltchat > I think we are more or less> those w/ influence spread the msg |
theteacherjames |
2014-06-11T20:20:15 |
@MarjorieRosenbe And make sure people know about it, inc employers & sts. #ELTchat |
Ashowski |
2014-06-11T20:20:21 |
@sueannan @theteacherjames a body might be a good solution - school teachers belong to a teaching body/college, no? #eltchat |
naomishema |
2014-06-11T20:20:31 |
People seem to respect math and science teachers more #eltchat |
esolcourses |
2014-06-11T20:20:40 |
RT @Ashowski: @sueannan @theteacherjames a body might be a good solution - school teachers belong to a teaching body/college, no? #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
2014-06-11T20:20:47 |
@Ashowski nothing stops us from trying.. One way or another it is our profession. We are responsible for it! #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-06-11T20:20:54 |
I spent my time increasing my skills and knowledge. I want to be respected for what I do and be paid accordingly #ELTchat |
esolcourses |
2014-06-11T20:21:04 |
RT @SueAnnan: I spent my time increasing my skills and knowledge. I want to be respected for what I do and be paid accordingly #ELTchat |
KateLloyd05 |
2014-06-11T20:21:13 |
@01LPearson oh yes of course. Fine line #eltchat |
Ashowski |
2014-06-11T20:21:20 |
RT @esolcourses: @theteacherjames agree James. Asserting our right to be treated and paid as professionals is the next step, maybe? :-) #el… |
HanaTicha |
2014-06-11T20:21:23 |
@naomishema Over here EFL teachers are respected equally #eltchat But one needs a recognized qualification. #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2014-06-11T20:21:24 |
Could we form a movement like Tessa Woodward started and all of us join in some way? #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
2014-06-11T20:21:24 |
@esolcourses Absolutely. Requires self confidence to do that. #ELTchat |
Ashowski |
2014-06-11T20:21:42 |
RT @angelos_bollas: @Ashowski nothing stops us from trying.. One way or another it is our profession. We are responsible for it! #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-06-11T20:21:53 |
@Ashowski @theteacherjames @esolcourses yes. Or a teaching Union #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
2014-06-11T20:21:54 |
@angelos_bollas how do you mean? #ELTchat |
bar_zie |
2014-06-11T20:21:58 |
RT @KatyELT: Only 24 hours until @ELF_pron talk for the @BCseminars in London with @lauraahaha! Watch online at http://t.co/EDBAJfAhWw #ef… |
Ashowski |
2014-06-11T20:22:08 |
@angelos_bollas I think that is the right attitude there! What do you think @Marisa_C and @01LPearson #eltchat |
HanaTicha |
2014-06-11T20:22:17 |
RT @Marisa_C: Could we form a movement like Tessa Woodward started and all of us join in some way? #eltchat I'm in! :-) |
SueAnnan |
2014-06-11T20:22:34 |
@Marisa_C what would that entail? #eltchat |
seburnt |
2014-06-11T20:22:34 |
RT @theteacherjames: I’m a professional. If other people don’t see it that way, I couldn’t care less. My students & my employers know. #ELT… |
esolcourses |
2014-06-11T20:22:35 |
RT @theteacherjames: @esolcourses Absolutely. Requires self confidence to do that. #ELTchat ] Yes. Or support/backing of a professional org? |
LizziePinard |
2014-06-11T20:23:05 |
#eltchat perhaps this also comes under @NicolaPrentis 's new IATEFL SIG idea? |
theteacherjames |
2014-06-11T20:23:07 |
@Ashowski yes, could be difficult to organise given our global nature, but not impossible. #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
2014-06-11T20:23:12 |
@SueAnnan I don't know yet - we're here to brainstorm #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
2014-06-11T20:23:17 |
@SueAnnan So,why don't we create a Body that gives work permit to Ts worldwide?Sth like the Cambridge T framework more official tho #eltchat |
seburnt |
2014-06-11T20:23:26 |
@theteacherjames Agreed. #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-06-11T20:23:35 |
@Marisa_C @Philip_Saxon @LizziePinard I got grief sometimes for being US NS. Understand how unpleasant it is to get these qs. #eltchat |
naomishema |
2014-06-11T20:23:56 |
But don't we have proffesional organizaitons already? Noone seems to care whether I attend or not & don't fund..#eltchat |
theteacherjames |
2014-06-11T20:24:09 |
RT @angelos_bollas: Don't we need to teach employers to hire only qualified Ts? #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
2014-06-11T20:24:12 |
@theteacherjames there are ignorant employers out there! #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-06-11T20:24:29 |
@naomishema @ELTchat perhaps we need IATEFL to have more teeth? #eltchat |
joannacre |
2014-06-11T20:24:40 |
@SueAnnan I totally agree and may I also add that from my experience connections in ELT also affect who gets the job etc #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2014-06-11T20:24:51 |
@naomishema Professional organizations are locally created bodies and often don't include only qualified ppl #eltchat |
01LPearson |
2014-06-11T20:25:02 |
sorry for forgetting the #eltchat hashtag a couplpe of times |
HanaTicha |
2014-06-11T20:25:11 |
@joannacre Interesting. What connections do you mean? #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-06-11T20:25:35 |
@Marisa_C @SueAnnan I think this is the main problem. How do we make others see us as we wish to be seen? #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2014-06-11T20:25:38 |
RT @01LPearson: @Ashowski I think that a governing body (like doctors, lawyers or engineers have) would need to be started by us.#eltchat |
naomishema |
2014-06-11T20:25:42 |
Plz understand that the qualification issue is very minor here. Univ graduates here #eltchat |
KarenWhiteInk |
2014-06-11T20:25:58 |
@NicolaPrentis Are you following #eltchat? Good topic for you. |
Marisa_C |
2014-06-11T20:26:03 |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @Marisa_C @SueAnnan I think this is the main problem. How do we make others see us as we wish to be seen? #eltchat |
LizziePinard |
2014-06-11T20:26:05 |
#eltchat http://t.co/LZTWC1VR5y <<the new SIG idea I mentioned as poss. relevant |
theteacherjames |
2014-06-11T20:26:16 |
@angelos_bollas True, but I mean the people who have employed me. I’m not going to work anywhere with that attitude. #ELTchat |
Ashowski |
2014-06-11T20:26:20 |
@lizziepinard @nicolaprentis I think it definitely does #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-06-11T20:26:25 |
@theteacherjames our university has us fill this into our online performance record. #eltchat |
joannacre |
2014-06-11T20:26:46 |
@HanaTicha in my town for example if you know someone who owns a language school and u r a T, qualifications don't matter #eltchat |
seburnt |
2014-06-11T20:26:53 |
@Marisa_C @naomishema That's a problem at that level of organisation then, to be dealt with by its membership. #eltchat |
Ashowski |
2014-06-11T20:27:50 |
RT @LizziePinard: #eltchat http://t.co/LZTWC1VR5y <<the new SIG idea I mentioned as poss. relevant |
theteacherjames |
2014-06-11T20:28:06 |
@Marisa_C we definitely could. I’ve been helping @MarekKiczkowiak with his NNEST equity blog. Lots achieved in a short time. #ELTchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-06-11T20:28:42 |
@naomishema my trainees are all graduates before they do a CERT, but people still think they do a 4 week course and get a 'job' #eltchat |
esolcourses |
2014-06-11T20:29:00 |
@Txantxangorri @SueAnnan Yes, unions are one solution. I was thinking along the lines of something more focused on ELT... #eltchat |
naomishema |
2014-06-11T20:29:06 |
RT @SueAnnan: @naomishema my trainees are all graduates before they do a CERT, but people still think they do a 4 week course and get a 'jo… |
HanaTicha |
2014-06-11T20:29:07 |
@joannacre But this can be good because if people know you you can be hired for your qualities, not just qualifications #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2014-06-11T20:29:27 |
It's a complex problem indeed - but we do have a common goal #eltchat Be/get paid as/be respected as a professionals #eltchat |
designerlessons |
2014-06-11T20:29:38 |
I think one of the biggest issues is Pay. If teachers are willing to accept low rates, they will not be respected. #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-06-11T20:29:48 |
@naomishema and many only do it for a short time and then a PGCE to enter the 'real' teaching profession #eltchat |
LizziePinard |
2014-06-11T20:29:55 |
@Marisa_C #eltchat I think those are the goals of Nicola's SIG idea too |
Marisa_C |
2014-06-11T20:30:13 |
@designerlessons and there will always be those who accept less pay #eltchat |
esolcourses |
2014-06-11T20:30:27 |
RT @designerlessons: I think one of the biggest issues is Pay. If teachers are willing to accept low rates, they will not be respected. #el… |
01LPearson |
2014-06-11T20:30:37 |
Surely the solution is to set up an institution, get the (say) British council to back it and then invite good schools to join ... #eltchat |
NicolaPrentis |
2014-06-11T20:30:54 |
#eltchat if you think SIG for helping promote teacher's awareness of rights, part of being taken seriously, pressure IATEFL to agree. |
SueAnnan |
2014-06-11T20:30:54 |
#ELTchat we lose many good teachers to the Teaching profession because of outside pressure #eltchat |
Ashowski |
2014-06-11T20:30:55 |
@designerlessons it might be hard to move the whole teaching body of the world to stop accepting low pay but not impossible ^_^ #eltchat |
seburnt |
2014-06-11T20:31:01 |
@theteacherjames @Marisa_C @MarekKiczkowiak If there's one movement, then another--it might as well be housed in local orgs. #eltchat |
LizziePinard |
2014-06-11T20:31:15 |
RT @NicolaPrentis: #eltchat if you think SIG for helping promote teacher's awareness of rights, part of being taken seriously, pressure IAT… |
01LPearson |
2014-06-11T20:31:17 |
@SueAnnan @naomishema Isn't that a symptom rather than a cause of the problem? #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2014-06-11T20:31:19 |
@LizziePinard I see the point but a SIG seems more esoteric/inward directed to me than...sth else don't quite know what yet tho #eltchat :-) |
joannacre |
2014-06-11T20:31:30 |
@HanaTicha yes, but if they do not know you, then it is a bit harder #eltchat |
Ashowski |
2014-06-11T20:31:50 |
@01lpearson a body of professional accreditation, right? #eltchat kind of already exists: IATEFL |
EveWeb |
2014-06-11T20:31:58 |
RT @esolcourses: @theteacherjames agree James. Asserting our right to be treated and paid as professionals is the next step, maybe? :-) #el… |
elawassell |
2014-06-11T20:32:01 |
RT @Marisa_C: It's a complex problem indeed - but we do have a common goal #eltchat Be/get paid as/be respected as a professionals #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2014-06-11T20:32:39 |
@Ashowski @01lpearson IATEFL the new Cambridge English? Would take years to change into that #eltchat |
designerlessons |
2014-06-11T20:32:53 |
@Marisa_C yep, and they only harm and diminish the industry - competition is good, I know of teachers who accept €10/hour #eltchat |
EveWeb |
2014-06-11T20:32:54 |
RT @theteacherjames: I think the first step in increasing professionalisation is for us to act as professionals. Walk the walk. #ELTchat is… |
ebefl |
2014-06-11T20:33:19 |
RT @theteacherjames: I think the first step in increasing professionalisation is for us to act as professionals. Walk the walk. #ELTchat is… |
Marisa_C |
2014-06-11T20:33:20 |
@designerlessons Lol that seems like a lot over here #eltchat |
Ashowski |
2014-06-11T20:33:27 |
RT @Marisa_C: @LizziePinard I see the point but a SIG seems more esoteric/inward directed to me than...sth else don't quite know what yet t… |
designerlessons |
2014-06-11T20:33:32 |
@Marisa_C which is obviously awful as people lower expectations of value and quality. #eltchat |
NicolaPrentis |
2014-06-11T20:33:39 |
#eltchat I can't stress enough how critical the timing of this is and looks like @MarjorieRosenbe thinks so?Sig co-ord meeting soon right? |
naomishema |
2014-06-11T20:33:59 |
Pardon me for not getting it, but why should employers care if IATEFL sets standards? Can easily be ignored, no? #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-06-11T20:34:00 |
@designerlessons @esolcourses It isn't that we are willing - but the conditions are imposed by the employers #eltchat |
Ashowski |
2014-06-11T20:34:01 |
@designerlessons @marisa_c is that in Barca? Pay is relative - in Poland 10EUR/hr is nice! ;) #eltchat |
seburnt |
2014-06-11T20:34:02 |
@Ashowski @01LPearson I don't like one org having the accredit. powers for such a massive area. Local better w/ supp from bigs. #eltchat |
01LPearson |
2014-06-11T20:34:03 |
@Marisa_C @LizziePinard Sorry, could someone explain what SIG stands for for me please. #eltchat |
EveWeb |
2014-06-11T20:34:04 |
RT @Marisa_C: But what you're all saying is not just about the money - it's the attitude that we;re not doing a real job!!! #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-06-11T20:34:10 |
@naomishema same here for most part. Either uni or no uni and CELTA. #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2014-06-11T20:34:16 |
And at the other end u have school owners with beautiful lifestyles who thrive on hiring the least qualified #eltchat |
EveWeb |
2014-06-11T20:34:19 |
RT @Marisa_C: In my world, many ELT Ts are paid less than 20% of what they used to get 5-6 yrs ago #Eltchat |
esolcourses |
2014-06-11T20:34:21 |
RT @NicolaPrentis: #eltchat if you think SIG for helping promote teacher's awareness of rights, part of being taken seriously, pressure IAT… |
joannacre |
2014-06-11T20:34:22 |
@designerlessons so based on what do you think we should get piad? experience? diplomas? #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
2014-06-11T20:34:34 |
@Ashowski but anyone can join IATEFL, it can only be an indication not a guarantee (not a criticism of IATEFL) #ELTchat |
EveWeb |
2014-06-11T20:34:35 |
RT @esolcourses: RT @naomishema: I have the experience of general lack of respect for teachers, not partucilarly 4 Eng. teachers #eltchat ]… |
naomishema |
2014-06-11T20:34:39 |
@01LPearson SIG - Special Interest Group #eltchat |
HanaTicha |
2014-06-11T20:34:49 |
10 euros per hour sounds good to me as well :-) #eltchat |
01LPearson |
2014-06-11T20:34:50 |
@seburnt @Ashowski But don't you need a big organisation to have the power and recognition to change attitudes? #eltchat |
Ashowski |
2014-06-11T20:34:54 |
@naomishema they can be ignored and are ignored - some employers just interested in immediate financial gain #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2014-06-11T20:34:59 |
@01LPearson Special Interest Group - IATEFL has many #eltchat |
designerlessons |
2014-06-11T20:35:14 |
@Ashowski @Marisa_C yeah, sorry I was talking Barcelona prices. It has to be compared the the average which is about €23 #eltchat |
Ashowski |
2014-06-11T20:35:23 |
@01lpearson @marisa_c @lizziepinard Special Interest Group #eltchat part of IATEFL |
joannacre |
2014-06-11T20:35:30 |
@designerlessons @Marisa_C I know teachers who get paid 6 #eltchat |
Ashowski |
2014-06-11T20:35:54 |
@theteacherjames that's a good point! something I overlooked, even if sb is unqualified they can join. #eltchat |
HanaTicha |
2014-06-11T20:35:59 |
@JulieBTW @naomishema A qualification recognized by the state - MA for primary and secondary schools etc. #eltchat |
Ashowski |
2014-06-11T20:36:11 |
@theteacherjames maybe time to change IATEFL membership criteria? #eltchat |
designerlessons |
2014-06-11T20:36:12 |
@SueAnnan @esolcourses if teachers unionised employees wouldn't have a choice - this is why we've set up a coop in Barcelona . #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2014-06-11T20:36:14 |
@joannacre @designerlessons and less than 6 in some cases - official beginner hourly rate now Joanna? #eltchat |
esolcourses |
2014-06-11T20:36:18 |
@SueAnnan @designerlessons Agree Sue. However, if everybody said no, employers would have to offer better conditions #eltchat |
01LPearson |
2014-06-11T20:36:24 |
@theteacherjames @Ashowski Maybe they need to be lobbied to change their structure to maintain a standard? #eltchat |
Ashowski |
2014-06-11T20:36:54 |
@designerlessons @marisa_c 23EUR an hour? I'm off to Barcelona - do widzenia Poland! ;) #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2014-06-11T20:36:55 |
RT @Philip_Saxon: @naomishema Professions like medicine, law etc set high barriers to entry. ELT doesn't.#ELTchat (hashtag!) |
ebefl |
2014-06-11T20:37:02 |
Real professionalisation is hard as the demand often outstrips the supply. As it is anyone can TEFL. #eltchat |
LizziePinard |
2014-06-11T20:37:13 |
"a SIG seems more esoteric/inward directed to me than...sth else don't quite know what yet tho #eltchat :-)" - @NicolaPrentis thoughts? |
Marisa_C |
2014-06-11T20:37:14 |
RT @Ashowski: @designerlessons @marisa_c 23EUR an hour? I'm off to Barcelona - do widzenia Poland! ;) #eltchat |
naomishema |
2014-06-11T20:37:15 |
@Philip_Saxon Here barriers have been lowered because ELT teachers leaving the proffesion... #eltchat |
01LPearson |
2014-06-11T20:37:27 |
@esolcourses @SueAnnan @designerlessons But there are always more people who will move into the jobs ... #eltchat |
Ashowski |
2014-06-11T20:37:34 |
@designerlessons @sueannan @esolcourses it seems the coop is with the zeitgeist - are we moving towards a unionised industry? #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-06-11T20:37:37 |
@theteacherjames @Ashowski I hadn't realised that there wasn't employment in ELT as criteria for IATEFL #eltchat |
designerlessons |
2014-06-11T20:37:47 |
@joannacre teachers won't be respected unless they're qualified in so e way. Around 60% have a celta or equivalent in Barcelona #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
2014-06-11T20:37:50 |
@01LPearson @Ashowski I worry that by excluding people you risk alienating those who need it the most. #ELTchat |
01LPearson |
2014-06-11T20:37:51 |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @Philip_Saxon: @naomishema Professions like medicine, law etc set high barriers to entry. ELT doesn't.#ELTchat (hashtag!) |
Ashowski |
2014-06-11T20:38:09 |
SIGs, Co-Ops and other initiatives - is the zeitgeist changing? Are we moving towards an era of unionised ELT workers? #eltchat |
LizziePinard |
2014-06-11T20:38:10 |
RT @01LPearson: @esolcourses @SueAnnan @designerlessons But there are always more people who will move into the jobs ... #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2014-06-11T20:38:10 |
@LizziePinard @NicolaPrentis yes thoughts? #eltchat if not a SIG then what? |
elawassell |
2014-06-11T20:38:18 |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @Philip_Saxon: @naomishema Professions like medicine, law etc set high barriers to entry. ELT doesn't.#ELTchat (hashtag!) |
KateLloyd05 |
2014-06-11T20:38:21 |
@JulieBTW @HanaTicha @naomishema by which state though? Ok within country in mainstream edu but what about those of us who travel? #eltchat |
joannacre |
2014-06-11T20:38:29 |
@Marisa_C @designerlessons big chains pay like 3-4 euro an hour to new teachers. That is unacceptable! #eltchat |
designerlessons |
2014-06-11T20:38:47 |
@esolcourses @SueAnnan exactly. Without teachers there are no companies. They take a huge cut, but only where teachers allow it. #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-06-11T20:38:53 |
@Ashowski is it a necessary evil? #eltchat |
Ashowski |
2014-06-11T20:39:12 |
@theteacherjames @01lpearson again, something I hadn't thought of :-/ maybe a tier system of membership? #eltchat |
ELTwriter |
2014-06-11T20:39:19 |
#Eltchat Do any EFL teachers join unions? I was in one in the UK #gotmyback |
naomishema |
2014-06-11T20:39:26 |
@KateLloyd05 Which state? Excatly! U can see that I seem to be from a different universe sometimes... #eltchat |
KateLloyd05 |
2014-06-11T20:39:26 |
@esolcourses @SueAnnan @designerlessons but everyone won't say no. Those backpacker style ones don't care #eltchat |
esolcourses |
2014-06-11T20:39:31 |
@01LPearson @SueAnnan @designerlessons ...yes. and that is what perpetuates the problem. #eltchat |
LizziePinard |
2014-06-11T20:39:38 |
RT @esolcourses: @01LPearson @SueAnnan @designerlessons ...yes. and that is what perpetuates the problem. #eltchat |
Ashowski |
2014-06-11T20:39:41 |
maybe teachers could be better recognised by IATEFL via tier system of membership: unqualified, CELTA, DELTA, etc #eltchat thoughts? |
01LPearson |
2014-06-11T20:39:46 |
RT @Ashowski: @theteacherjames @01lpearson again, something I hadn't thought of :-/ maybe a tier system of membership? #eltchat |
NicolaPrentis |
2014-06-11T20:39:48 |
@naomishema eg T's know pay rates/contract conditions across schls/countries, frm 1 official http://t.co/kPG0H4jOCB&shame #eltchat |
designerlessons |
2014-06-11T20:40:05 |
@Ashowski @SueAnnan @esolcourses I hope so. Teachers need to take ownership, they are the ones with the skills #eltchat |
esolcourses |
2014-06-11T20:40:19 |
RT @Ashowski: @designerlessons @sueannan @esolcourses it seems the coop is with the zeitgeist - are we moving towards a unionised industry?… |
designerlessons |
2014-06-11T20:40:19 |
RT @Ashowski: @designerlessons @sueannan @esolcourses it seems the coop is with the zeitgeist - are we moving towards a unionised industry?… |
Ashowski |
2014-06-11T20:40:40 |
RT @designerlessons: @Ashowski @SueAnnan @esolcourses I hope so. Teachers need to take ownership, they are the ones with the skills #eltchat |
seburnt |
2014-06-11T20:40:41 |
@01LPearson @Ashowski Depends what you consider "big"? More local members there are, the bigger the local one gets. #eltchat |
ebefl |
2014-06-11T20:40:54 |
One way to be more professional would be to not teach using discredited magical methods #eltchat #pseudoscience #neuromyths ;) |
SueAnnan |
2014-06-11T20:41:10 |
@Ashowski they are certainly recognised in this way by the British Council #eltchat |
joannacre |
2014-06-11T20:41:13 |
I think another problem is that eligibility for a teaching permit is dif from country to country #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2014-06-11T20:41:16 |
Might be an idea to start a wiki where we collect info on each country - then share blog posts which anyone can use &/or translate #eltchat |
esolcourses |
2014-06-11T20:41:21 |
@Ashowski @designerlessons @sueannan a unionised industry gets my vote #eltchat |
01LPearson |
2014-06-11T20:41:31 |
@Ashowski Even a system like this would also need a great deal of publicity as well though #eltchat |
designerlessons |
2014-06-11T20:41:38 |
@01LPearson @esolcourses @SueAnnan theres an issue there,but there Ralways layers2 a market.Those paying €€sexpect higher quality #eltchat |
Ashowski |
2014-06-11T20:41:54 |
RT @SueAnnan: @Ashowski they are certainly recognised in this way by the British Council #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-06-11T20:42:10 |
@esolcourses @Ashowski @designerlessons mine too, if it gives us a better standing in society #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2014-06-11T20:42:30 |
I personally would donate all my related posts to such a cause #eltchat |
joannacre |
2014-06-11T20:42:41 |
RT @Marisa_C: Might be an idea to start a wiki where we collect info on each country - then share blog posts which anyone can use &/or tran… |
esolcourses |
2014-06-11T20:42:55 |
@Philip_Saxon @Ashowski @designerlessons @SueAnnan here in the UK, I they wouldn't have a choice. Union membership is a right #eltchat |
NicolaPrentis |
2014-06-11T20:43:07 |
@Marisa_C Australia eg has Union and mandated payrises and official payscales. I was amazed #eltchat keep forgetting the #! not used to this |
SueAnnan |
2014-06-11T20:43:25 |
@Philip_Saxon @naomishema and more respect for the job we do #eltchat |
naomishema |
2014-06-11T20:43:35 |
RT @SueAnnan: @Philip_Saxon @naomishema and more respect for the job we do #eltchat |
designerlessons |
2014-06-11T20:43:47 |
We did some market research on rates of pay, expectations, and qualifications #eltchat barcelona Teachers' Survey http://t.co/ZqZMV22AxL |
Marisa_C |
2014-06-11T20:43:49 |
@NicolaPrentis i may have missed some of ur tweets then cn u go back and RT them with #eltchat pls |
theteacherjames |
2014-06-11T20:43:53 |
RT @ebefl: One way to be more professional would be to not teach using discredited magical methods #eltchat #pseudoscience #neuromyths ;) |
LizziePinard |
2014-06-11T20:43:56 |
RT @NicolaPrentis:IATEFL is the stage not the body to do anything about it.Ts themselves if informed can act, together maybe #eltchat |
designerlessons |
2014-06-11T20:43:57 |
RT @esolcourses: @Philip_Saxon @Ashowski @designerlessons @SueAnnan here in the UK, I they wouldn't have a choice. Union membership is a ri… |
joannacre |
2014-06-11T20:44:00 |
I know that their is an accreditation handbook which tells u ur tefl status #eltchat |
designerlessons |
2014-06-11T20:44:09 |
RT @esolcourses: @Ashowski @designerlessons @sueannan a unionised industry gets my vote #eltchat |
NicolaPrentis |
2014-06-11T20:44:21 |
@Ashowski Seems like pushing fault back onto T's.Schools must be made to apply an expected standard or lose out on recruits #eltchat |
elawassell |
2014-06-11T20:44:36 |
@Marisa_C @Philip_Saxon aren't CELTA & DELTA kind of bars? But that's up to the employers to recognise the level of professionalism.#eltchat |
01LPearson |
2014-06-11T20:44:37 |
@SueAnnan @Philip_Saxon @naomishema #eltchat Personally the pay is nowhere near as important as the recognition and social respect. |
designerlessons |
2014-06-11T20:45:07 |
@Marisa_C that's a great idea #eltchat |
elawassell |
2014-06-11T20:45:07 |
RT @NicolaPrentis: @Ashowski Seems like pushing fault back onto T's.Schools must be made to apply an expected standard or lose out on recru… |
SueAnnan |
2014-06-11T20:45:13 |
@NicolaPrentis @Ashowski there is only one school where I am- they hold all the cards :-) #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2014-06-11T20:45:18 |
You would all be surprised at how many parents read my Greek blog and write to me asking me for advice #eltchat Address the customer |
LizziePinard |
2014-06-11T20:45:32 |
RT @ELTwriter:@NicolaPrentis a SIG would be a useful voice in unison - to lobby for minimum conditions - the industry would listen #eltchat |
01LPearson |
2014-06-11T20:45:32 |
Schools will never solve this problem though - the lead needs to come from teachers. #eltchat |
NicolaPrentis |
2014-06-11T20:45:48 |
@SueAnnan @Ashowski BCone of culprits.Don't pay full time soc sec contributions to T's in Madrid.do NOT set standard excellence #eltchat |
ELTwriter |
2014-06-11T20:45:50 |
#eltchat have any other ELT professionals out there been in unions? |
designerlessons |
2014-06-11T20:46:10 |
@SueAnnan @NicolaPrentis @Ashowski sounds like a good opp to start your own :) #eltchat |
01LPearson |
2014-06-11T20:46:58 |
The problem is outside of the industry they are relatively unknown. #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-06-11T20:47:07 |
@NicolaPrentis @Ashowski I have heard that they are less rigorous about own schools #eltchat |
NicolaPrentis |
2014-06-11T20:47:12 |
There needs to be one for ELT @ELTwriter #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-06-11T20:47:31 |
@elawassell @Marisa_C I think this can only work on country-to-country basis. Same as other professions. #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
2014-06-11T20:47:57 |
Would also be powerful if sts understood our qualifications. I work for the only school on my country which requires CELTA minimum #ELTchat |
naomishema |
2014-06-11T20:47:57 |
I belong to a union but for all high school teachers, not ELT #eltchat Not helpful to your Q, I guess. |
designerlessons |
2014-06-11T20:48:01 |
@esolcourses @Philip_Saxon @Ashowski @SueAnnan they would, if the majority joined - no united voice gives employers the power #eltchat |
pjgallantry |
2014-06-11T20:48:04 |
#eltchat hi all- late addition to chat :-) we were talking of global accreditation 20 yrs ago & still here we are :-/ |
esolcourses |
2014-06-11T20:48:09 |
RT @ELTwriter: #Eltchat Do any EFL teachers join unions? I was in one in the UK #gotmyback ] Yep. ATL is probably the most relevant UK one |
NicolaPrentis |
2014-06-11T20:48:19 |
BC are as bad as any of the cowboys, they just pretend better @01LPearson #eltchat |
TESOLacademic |
2014-06-11T20:48:25 |
MT "@Ashowski ... could be better recognised by IATEFL via tier system of membership: unqualified, CELTA, DELTA, #eltchat Good idea 4 UK? |
theteacherjames |
2014-06-11T20:48:26 |
We make sure our students know what they’re paying for #ELTchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-06-11T20:48:29 |
so how would we go about setting up a union? #eltchat |
01LPearson |
2014-06-11T20:48:45 |
@MarjorieRosenbe @elawassell @Marisa_C But with the profession being so innately international a local system cannot work. #eltchat |
ELTwriter |
2014-06-11T20:49:21 |
@NicolaPrentis #eltchat - I was a member of the Voice union in the UK a few years ago. They seemed ok to accept TEFLers |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-06-11T20:49:21 |
@elawassell @Marisa_C Also varies country to country. #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2014-06-11T20:49:25 |
@Philip_Saxon This post in Greek is a hit http://t.co/W8R5Uua16Z #eltchat How not to teach English |
designerlessons |
2014-06-11T20:49:28 |
RT @theteacherjames: We make sure our students know what they’re paying for #ELTchat |
seburnt |
2014-06-11T20:49:45 |
@SueAnnan Just officially joined a union at the university today. Not an easy process to officiate. #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
2014-06-11T20:49:52 |
If sts know that a school doesn’t employ qualified teachers & what that means, that would soon change the employers attitude #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
2014-06-11T20:50:04 |
RT @theteacherjames: If sts know that a school doesn’t employ qualified teachers & what that means, that would soon change the employers at… |
seburnt |
2014-06-11T20:50:15 |
@theteacherjames "We make sure our students know what they’re paying for #ELTchat" Haha out of context. |
designerlessons |
2014-06-11T20:50:21 |
@theteacherjames this is key: shows value, what the clients are investing in, and demands respect #eltchat |
LizziePinard |
2014-06-11T20:50:28 |
#eltchat @NicolaPrentis maybe the new SIG could help T's to know what union options are available and how to join them etc - not ness easy! |
SueAnnan |
2014-06-11T20:50:34 |
@theteacherjames so do we but there is a diff between the 4 weekers and the many years qualified even in my school. #eltchat |
NicolaPrentis |
2014-06-11T20:50:35 |
@Philip_Saxon @Marisa_C @LizziePinard easy to set agenda! if people are informed, they can act and decide who to work for #eltchat |
pjgallantry |
2014-06-11T20:50:51 |
#eltchat don't think union would work in UK - tons of demand, tons of supply & schools work on lowest profit margins poss. |
deannamascle |
2014-06-11T20:51:05 |
I believe gamification supports learning and writing development http://t.co/foPnFjbrzh #FYCchat #EngChat #ELTchat #NWP |
elawassell |
2014-06-11T20:51:13 |
RT @theteacherjames: If sts know that a school doesn’t employ qualified teachers & what that means, that would soon change the employers at… |
Marisa_C |
2014-06-11T20:51:30 |
@Philip_Saxon It might if what u re saying is that it's the result of poor teaching #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
2014-06-11T20:51:50 |
@designerlessons Exactly #ELTchat |
joannacre |
2014-06-11T20:51:55 |
@SueAnnan @theteacherjames and having a delta and an MA in tesol #eltchat |
01LPearson |
2014-06-11T20:52:04 |
#eltchat I feel a proffessional institution would be of more use than a union? #eltchat |
Ashowski |
2014-06-11T20:52:11 |
RT @designerlessons: @esolcourses @Philip_Saxon @Ashowski @SueAnnan they would, if the majority joined - no united voice gives employers th… |
NicolaPrentis |
2014-06-11T20:52:14 |
@SueAnnan @Ashowski Schools in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones.BC shld be first to be held to account or light shone on them #eltchat |
pjgallantry |
2014-06-11T20:52:19 |
#eltchat how about a peer-accredited network? Eg I say I have xyz quals & so do my colleagues.... |
KateLloyd05 |
2014-06-11T20:53:23 |
@pjgallantry like LinkedIn? #eltchat |
pjgallantry |
2014-06-11T20:53:31 |
#eltchat...all these peer-accredited networks are published as part of how schools flog themselves... |
SueAnnan |
2014-06-11T20:53:34 |
sorry got distracted by a crash outside mt window :-( #eltchat |
designerlessons |
2014-06-11T20:54:03 |
@01LPearson how do you mean? #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-06-11T20:54:10 |
@naomishema and pay also varies widely within the same country. So many factors play a role. #eltchat |
01LPearson |
2014-06-11T20:54:16 |
@SueAnnan Everyone okay? #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2014-06-11T20:54:27 |
In Greece we have School Associations (Unions) and Franchises - could be approached #eltchat |
ELTwriter |
2014-06-11T20:54:33 |
@LizziePinard @NicolaPrentis excellent idea #eltchat |
pjgallantry |
2014-06-11T20:54:38 |
#eltchat....& it would (hopefully) become self-policing to weed out dodgy people. |
seburnt |
2014-06-11T20:54:59 |
@01LPearson @Ashowski Besides, not everything that is effective is top-down.#eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-06-11T20:55:09 |
@naomishema agree with Naomi. Most people I'vexworked for here don't even know what Iatefl is. #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-06-11T20:55:16 |
@Marisa_C in order to find out how to set one up? #eltchat |
01LPearson |
2014-06-11T20:55:26 |
@designerlessons Setting up an institution who could regulate teaching standards is of more use in changing attitudes than a union #eltchat |
NicolaPrentis |
2014-06-11T20:55:36 |
@LizziePinard @ELTwriter Tweet @carolread and tell her if you agree with SIG idea. lobbying not their thing,informing/training is #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2014-06-11T20:55:46 |
RT @seburnt: @01LPearson @Ashowski Besides, not everything that is effective is top-down.#eltchat > I think u re right but share info gd |
naomishema |
2014-06-11T20:56:13 |
Apologies, long day at work tomorrow. Must go to sleep. So late. Good night! #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2014-06-11T20:56:18 |
@SueAnnan No I mean to be pressured into setting standards for hiring and paying #eltchat |
face_english |
2014-06-11T20:56:25 |
What can be done? #ELTChat |
pjgallantry |
2014-06-11T20:56:36 |
@KateLloyd05 #eltchat :-D indeedy! |
NicolaPrentis |
2014-06-11T20:56:45 |
@SueAnnan @Ashowski No they don't! STRIKE, STRIKE and STRIKE again. organise know yr rights and organise yrselves #eltchat |
designerlessons |
2014-06-11T20:56:58 |
@01LPearson ah I see. Good idea, but tricky to implement though, as it would likely depend on the country. #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
2014-06-11T20:57:05 |
@joannacre but speaking as a four weeker, I’d like to point out that’s not the only qualification! Experience, PD etc #ELTchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-06-11T20:57:07 |
@Marisa_C Right. sorry I misunderstood #eltchat |
NicolaPrentis |
2014-06-11T20:57:48 |
@designerlessons @SueAnnan @Ashowski unions need localised action,conditions vary but knowing rights and comparisons is the key #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2014-06-11T20:57:50 |
@SueAnnan Well it is a fast and furious #eltchat and with good reason!!! |
designerlessons |
2014-06-11T20:57:54 |
@01LPearson we set up the coop to give ownership to teachers, and regulate competition (minimum hourly rate), also2provide services #eltchat |
01LPearson |
2014-06-11T20:57:58 |
@designerlessons It would be slow and laborious, and would have to be global, but it is the only way to truly affect change. #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-06-11T20:58:29 |
There seems to be strong feelings about this from many quarters. Glad it's not just me #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-06-11T20:58:44 |
@theteacherjames Maybe. But it also depemds on reason sts attend a class. In adult ed some do it for the social aspect. #eltchat |
Philip_Saxon |
2014-06-11T20:58:51 |
@Marisa_C Sorry, dozed off for a minute…will remember next time! #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2014-06-11T20:58:54 |
About to wrap up this #ELTchat - may I ask for a volunteer for the summary pls? |
NicolaPrentis |
2014-06-11T20:58:57 |
@Marisa_C This is sthg a SIG could do @carolread #eltchat |
anasainzc |
2014-06-11T20:59:06 |
RT @theteacherjames: If sts know that a school doesn’t employ qualified teachers & what that means, that would soon change the employers at… |
languageeteach |
2014-06-11T20:59:09 |
RT @ebefl: One way to be more professional would be to not teach using discredited magical methods #eltchat #pseudoscience #neuromyths ;) |
joannacre |
2014-06-11T20:59:14 |
@theteacherjames yeap #eltchat |
pjgallantry |
2014-06-11T20:59:21 |
#eltchat just as with ELT unplugged, so with ELT unionisation: think global, act local! :-D |
designerlessons |
2014-06-11T20:59:30 |
@01LPearson unions have powers2negotiate pay&conditions &can strike when broken or not improved. More power than an instit. IMHO #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2014-06-11T20:59:39 |
@NicolaPrentis @carolread you mean putting pressure? #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-06-11T20:59:44 |
this is the point we look for a summary writer. I'll do it, as my topic. #eltchat |
designerlessons |
2014-06-11T20:59:50 |
RT @NicolaPrentis: @designerlessons @SueAnnan @Ashowski unions need localised action,conditions vary but knowing rights and comparisons is … |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-06-11T21:00:13 |
@theteacherjames here the universities are free & theclanguage Institute charges very little for sts. #eltchat |
01LPearson |
2014-06-11T21:00:44 |
@designerlessons The inst. could set a level and regulate it (think docs/engineers) and things like pay depend on local conditions #eltchat |
designerlessons |
2014-06-11T21:00:57 |
@NicolaPrentis @SueAnnan @Ashowski agreed, lots depends on local laws, and worker rights. National unions are useful #eltchat |
Ashowski |
2014-06-11T21:00:58 |
RT @pjgallantry: #eltchat just as with ELT unplugged, so with ELT unionisation: think global, act local! :-D |
designerlessons |
2014-06-11T21:01:10 |
RT @01LPearson: @designerlessons The inst. could set a level and regulate it (think docs/engineers) and things like pay depend on local con… |
designerlessons |
2014-06-11T21:01:15 |
RT @01LPearson: @designerlessons It would be slow and laborious, and would have to be global, but it is the only way to truly affect change… |
theteacherjames |
2014-06-11T21:01:32 |
@MarjorieRosenbe Difficult to expect professionalism in that environment. Mainly down to teacher, I guess. #ELTchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-06-11T21:01:33 |
@LizziePinard @NicolaPrentis This would differ from country to country. Not really an Iatefl thing. #eltchat |
Ashowski |
2014-06-11T21:01:48 |
Right guys must dash - thank you all for another great #eltchat :-) |
designerlessons |
2014-06-11T21:01:53 |
RT @pjgallantry: #eltchat just as with ELT unplugged, so with ELT unionisation: think global, act local! :-D |
NicolaPrentis |
2014-06-11T21:02:19 |
Agree @carolread?"@pjgallantry: #eltchat just as with ELT unplugged, so with ELT unionisation: think global, act local! :-D" |
designerlessons |
2014-06-11T21:02:31 |
@Ashowski cheers Anthony, good chat! #eltchat |
01LPearson |
2014-06-11T21:02:34 |
#eltchat Thanks everyone - see you all next week! Have a really good week! :D |
SueAnnan |
2014-06-11T21:02:37 |
very interesting and intense #ELTchat. Thanks everyone for taking part. |
ELTwriter |
2014-06-11T21:02:51 |
@MarjorieRosenbe @LizziePinard @NicolaPrentis but would be reaaaly useful uin the UK, no? #eltchat and much needed |
KateLloyd05 |
2014-06-11T21:03:12 |
@Ashowski yep, me too. Bedtime it's past midnight. Night all. Thanks for chat #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2014-06-11T21:03:18 |
Great #ELTchat - loads of ideas - where can we continue this discussion - maybe in the FB group? Let's wait for the summary tho |
theteacherjames |
2014-06-11T21:03:31 |
Thanks everyone, very interesting chat as always. I hope something comes of this, & if it does, count me in! #ELTchat |
NicolaPrentis |
2014-06-11T21:03:55 |
@Marisa_C @carolread by compiling name & shame list, inform and educate t's if their rights&comparable conditions eg state schools #eltchat |
angelos_bollas |
2014-06-11T21:03:57 |
RT @Marisa_C: Might be an idea to start a wiki where we collect info on each country - then share blog posts which anyone can use &/or tran… |
designerlessons |
2014-06-11T21:04:06 |
RT @theteacherjames: Thanks everyone, very interesting chat as always. I hope something comes of this, & if it does, count me in! #ELTchat |
JenniKeeney |
2014-06-11T21:04:25 |
RT @Philip_Saxon: So the question is how to earn more respect? Have I understood correctly? #eltchat |
joannacre |
2014-06-11T21:04:28 |
night all : ) #eltchat |
Morteacher |
2014-06-11T21:04:35 |
#eltchat greetings all from a newbie |
NicolaPrentis |
2014-06-11T21:05:02 |
@SueAnnan Please Tweet @carolread, IATEFL president and tell her this! #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
2014-06-11T21:05:05 |
@Marisa_C will pick up the tweets and do summary :-) #eltchat |
designerlessons |
2014-06-11T21:05:19 |
Fair pay and equal rights for international TEFL practitioners SIG - who's up for it? #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2014-06-11T21:05:39 |
RT @SueAnnan: @Marisa_C will pick up the tweets and do summary :-) #eltchat > You Scottish angel :-) |
esolcourses |
2014-06-11T21:05:48 |
Thanks for a very interesting and thought provoking #eltchat folks! GTG - catch you later :-) |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-06-11T21:06:02 |
@pjgallantry Danger for many of us could mean losing residency permit. Also contract work becoming standard in many professions. #eltchat |
designerlessons |
2014-06-11T21:06:14 |
Thanks all for interesting chat, sorry I missed the beginning #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2014-06-11T21:06:23 |
@designerlessons I'd certainly be up for it #eltchat but we must explore ALL possible avenues as well |
NicolaPrentis |
2014-06-11T21:06:42 |
"@LizziePinard: #eltchat maybe new SIG cld help T's know what union options available&how to join them etc - not ness easy!" @carolread |
designerlessons |
2014-06-11T21:07:27 |
@Marisa_C :) good to hear, and I agree. #eltchat |
designerlessons |
2014-06-11T21:07:56 |
RT @LizziePinard: #eltchat @NicolaPrentis maybe the new SIG could help T's to know what union options are available and how to join them et… |
ELTwriter |
2014-06-11T21:08:59 |
RT @NicolaPrentis: "@LizziePinard: #eltchat maybe new SIG cld help T's know what union options available&how to join them etc - not ness ea… |
Marisa_C |
2014-06-11T21:09:07 |
Good night everyone and let's not let things be!!!!!!! #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-06-11T21:09:15 |
@LizziePinard @ELTwriter @NicolaPrentis iatefl is a charity. This isn't reallybin remit & every country vhas dfferent laws. #eltchat |
LizziePinard |
2014-06-11T21:09:27 |
@Marisa_C #eltchat good night all :) |
ELTwriter |
2014-06-11T21:09:40 |
my first #eltchat ... thanks |
Romdhanifaten |
2014-06-11T21:10:03 |
RT @LizziePinard: My latest Top 10 is for teaching and learning act pronunciation - have you seen all these?! http://t.co/oo0JMixYZb #elt #… |
designerlessons |
2014-06-11T21:10:04 |
RT @Marisa_C: Good night everyone and let's not let things be!!!!!!! #eltchat |
NicolaPrentis |
2014-06-11T21:10:11 |
"@SueAnnan: There seems to be strong feelings about this from many quarters. Glad it's not just me #eltchat yes @carolread there are! |
Marisa_C |
2014-06-11T21:10:12 |
@ELTwriter Very cool - you did great!!! Hope you join again :-) #eltchat |
Romdhanifaten |
2014-06-11T21:10:17 |
RT @evab2001: END OF THE YEAR ACTIVITIES http://t.co/HFxUxwH2LT #EFL #eltchat |
Morteacher |
2014-06-11T21:10:25 |
#eltchat Good night all |
MarjorieRosenbe |
2014-06-11T21:10:32 |
Night all. Iatefl besig conference in Graz this weekend so lots to do.#eltchat |
EdLaur |
2014-06-11T21:10:34 |
RT @theteacherjames: I think the first step in increasing professionalisation is for us to act as professionals. Walk the walk. #ELTchat is… |
Marisa_C |
2014-06-11T21:10:58 |
@MarjorieRosenbe Wish I could just teleport to see you all there #eltchat |
Morteacher |
2014-06-11T21:11:01 |
#eltchat My first chat here . Thanks all |
NicolaPrentis |
2014-06-11T21:11:16 |
@01LPearson @designerlessons Agree, this is why IATEFL is a good host for sthg like this.Union = sthg else #eltchat |
pjgallantry |
2014-06-11T21:11:17 |
@MarjorieRosenbe #eltchat totally understand: it happens EVERYWHERE in ELT. :-( |
Marisa_C |
2014-06-11T21:11:23 |
@Morteacher Great!!!! Welcome to the clan of #ELTchat !!! |
Romdhanifaten |
2014-06-11T21:11:28 |
RT @jaluribe: Living Language thru Guided Imagery with YLs. http://t.co/wVbeXJLPUu #elemchat #eltchat #tesol #kinderchat #kids #tesol #yls … |
Romdhanifaten |
2014-06-11T21:11:43 |
RT @Marisa_C: @NikkiFortova http://t.co/3C4AlVBVMg or check this blog post http://t.co/aNUs822VyP (on creating infographics_ #eltchat edtech |
Romdhanifaten |
2014-06-11T21:12:53 |
RT @nutrich: Experiential learning http://t.co/wrdZRDnwKa #elt #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2014-06-11T21:13:02 |
@LizziePinard night Lizzie :-) Good night all ! #eltchat |
designerlessons |
2014-06-11T21:13:02 |
@becksdad look through the latest #eltchat about how to improve levels of respect in #tefl - very pertinent to @slbcoop and what we're doing |
Romdhanifaten |
2014-06-11T21:13:27 |
RT @ann_f: teflreflections: #ELTChat on CEFR - a summary and reflection | @scoopit http://t.co/rNhRDvQzfk #TeachingEnglish |
Marisa_C |
2014-06-11T21:13:48 |
RT @designerlessons: @becksdad look through the latest #eltchat about how to improve levels of respect in #tefl - very pertinent to @slbcoo… |
moreto_learn |
2014-06-11T21:14:02 |
RT @theteacherjames: If sts know that a school doesn’t employ qualified teachers & what that means, that would soon change the employers at… |
Marisa_C |
2014-06-11T21:14:26 |
@designerlessons @becksdad @slbcoop Hope @SueAnnan includes this as a related link in her summary #eltchat |
english247 |
2014-06-11T21:15:26 |
Get set for summer with our giant summer word search puzzle http://t.co/RVAloSDP6m #efl #esl #esol #engpls #twinglish #eltchat #yl #kids |
NicolaPrentis |
2014-06-11T21:15:45 |
@Marisa_C @SueAnnan New to this, how do I get the summary? Thanks! :) I am sure @carolread interested to see such interest in topic #eltchat |
Morteacher |
2014-06-11T21:15:50 |
#eltchat : @Marisa_C Greetings from Morocco to all fellow teachers and ELT practitioners |
LizziePinard |
2014-06-11T21:16:57 |
@NicolaPrentis @Marisa_C @SueAnnan @carolread it'll be posted on the #eltchat Facebook group page and also in this hashtag stream, when done |
Marisa_C |
2014-06-11T21:17:16 |
@NicolaPrentis @SueAnnan @carolread Sue will write it and will post on her blog, then I'll copy it to the #eltchat blog And facebook grp |
designerlessons |
2014-06-11T21:17:27 |
@Marisa_C @becksdad @SLBCoop @SueAnnan thanks, the coop really wants2stand up4teachers' rights. All members have ownership afterall #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
2014-06-11T21:18:00 |
@NicolaPrentis @SueAnnan @carolread here is the blog http://t.co/XGFA2PpVYj #eltchat |
designerlessons |
2014-06-11T21:18:50 |
@Marisa_C @becksdad @SLBCoop @SueAnnan our blog is at http://t.co/117Ofbk37P in case you missed it. We're just starting out #eltchat |
NicolaPrentis |
2014-06-11T21:21:21 |
"@designerlessons: Fair pay and equal rights for international TEFL practitioners SIG - who's up for it? #eltchat" @carolread |
EdLaur |
2014-06-11T21:22:02 |
“@ebefl: Real professionalisation is hard as the demand often outstrips the supply. As it is anyone can TEFL. #eltchat” Very true |
NicolaPrentis |
2014-06-11T21:27:28 |
Check out #eltchat @josipa74 Ppl support idea of SIG for informing t's of workers rights.was tagged in it and joined in |
SLBCoop |
2014-06-11T21:29:14 |
RT @designerlessons: @Marisa_C @becksdad @SLBCoop @SueAnnan our blog is at http://t.co/117Ofbk37P in case you missed it. We're just startin… |
SLBCoop |
2014-06-11T21:29:23 |
RT @designerlessons: @becksdad look through the latest #eltchat about how to improve levels of respect in #tefl - very pertinent to @slbcoo… |
Marisa_C |
2014-06-11T21:37:51 |
@designerlessons thanks :-) duly noted #eltchat |
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