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SueAnnan 2014-06-11T20:00:21 #eltchat Good Evening everyone
HanaTicha 2014-06-11T20:00:48 Good evening #eltchat
KateLloyd05 2014-06-11T20:00:54 Hi all #eltchat
Marisa_C 2014-06-11T20:01:20 Good evening everyone - here we go on #eltchat
01LPearson 2014-06-11T20:01:27 #eltchat Hello everyone
naomishema 2014-06-11T20:01:28 Hello from a sleepy teacher! Will try to stay awake #eltchat
Ashowski 2014-06-11T20:01:38 @sueannan good evening Sue and everyone participating this evening :-) a hello from a warm #Poland #eltchat
Ashowski 2014-06-11T20:02:08 RT @Marisa_C: RT @Ashowski: @ELTchat here is the #eltchat summary on Online #CPD : http://t.co/m83evRAJQE #ELT > Τhanks!!!
SueAnnan 2014-06-11T20:02:18 @Marisa_C Hi Marisa and Naomi #eltchat
Marisa_C 2014-06-11T20:02:21 @01LPearson Hi Luke and welcome - your topic I think :-) Is this your first #eltchat?
esolcourses 2014-06-11T20:02:25 Hi everybody! #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2014-06-11T20:02:33 Good evening everyone. Unfortunately I cannot participate tonight. :-( enjoy the chat. If no one signs up for summary, I can do it  #eltchat
KateLloyd05 2014-06-11T20:02:49 @Ashowski @SueAnnan hi from equally warm Ukraine #eltchat
Ashowski 2014-06-11T20:02:51 @01lpearson good evening Luke, nice to see you here ^_^ #eltchat
Marisa_C 2014-06-11T20:03:02 @esolcourses @angelos_bollas @SueAnnan @Ashowski @naomishema @01LPearson Welcome all #eltchat
01LPearson 2014-06-11T20:03:04 No, this wasn't my topic, and it's my second thanks :D @Marisa_C #eltchat
Ashowski 2014-06-11T20:03:33 @marisa_c @01lpearson You suggested this topic Luke? #eltchat #impressed
Philip_Saxon 2014-06-11T20:03:48 Hi everyone! #eltchat
joannacre 2014-06-11T20:04:14 hello :) #eltchat
01LPearson 2014-06-11T20:04:20 @Ashowski @Marisa_C  Sadly not! It's a really good topic and I wish i could take the credit for it! #eltchat
Laila_Khairat 2014-06-11T20:04:26 Hello everyone :) #eltchat
Ashowski 2014-06-11T20:04:28 @philip_saxon Hi Philip! Welcome to #eltchat
theteacherjames 2014-06-11T20:04:36 Hi everyone! #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2014-06-11T20:04:41 @01LPearson you're right it was @SueAnnan :-D sorry Sue! :-) #eltchat so you fire away your questions?
Philip_Saxon 2014-06-11T20:05:05 So the question is how to earn more respect? Have I understood correctly? #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-06-11T20:05:07 @AshowskiIt's my topic. I was sick of teachers looking down their nose at my profession as something secondclass#eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2014-06-11T20:05:28 @Marisa_C @esolcourses @angelos_bollas @SueAnnan @Ashowski @naomishema @01LPearson hi everyone.  What's the topic? #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2014-06-11T20:05:35 @Marisa_C @esolcourses @SueAnnan @Ashowski @naomishema @01LPearson Good evening! I am at a B-party. My contribution will be limited #eltchat
Marisa_C 2014-06-11T20:05:57 Hi @Laila_Khairat welcome long suffering @theteacherjames by the pool and u 2 @MarjorieRosenbe #eltchat
KateLloyd05 2014-06-11T20:05:57 @SueAnnan ditto #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-06-11T20:06:14 Do you have the same experience? #eltchat
KateLloyd05 2014-06-11T20:06:29 @SueAnnan or as something anyone can do, "it's just talking to people" #eltchat
naomishema 2014-06-11T20:06:52 I have the experience of general lack of respect for teachers, not partucilarly 4 Eng. teachers #eltchat
theteacherjames 2014-06-11T20:07:02 @Marisa_C sacrifices I make for #ELTchat ;-)
esolcourses 2014-06-11T20:07:10 RT @naomishema: I have the experience of general lack of respect for teachers, not partucilarly 4 Eng. teachers #eltchat ] same here
MarjorieRosenbe 2014-06-11T20:07:15 @naomishema hi Naomi.  Good to read you here. #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-06-11T20:07:40 @naomishema people seem to think that you just need a 4 week CELTA and they train for years :-( #eltchat
theteacherjames 2014-06-11T20:07:46 @SueAnnan When did this happen to you? #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2014-06-11T20:07:52 In my world, many ELT Ts are paid less than 20% of what they used to get 5-6 yrs ago #Eltchat
LizziePinard 2014-06-11T20:08:00 #eltchat hi all
01LPearson 2014-06-11T20:08:39 #eltchat The thing I've noticed is the lack of respect from other teachers. I have a friend who completed a PGCE and asked me what I did thn
KateLloyd05 2014-06-11T20:08:43 @naomishema or that you don't need any quals at all #eltchat
esolcourses 2014-06-11T20:08:45 RT @Marisa_C: In my world, many ELT Ts are paid less than 20% of what they used to get 5-6 yrs ago #Eltchat ] same here, if not more so :-(
SueAnnan 2014-06-11T20:08:59 @theteacherjames It's a regular occurence.  I hate people looking down their noses #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2014-06-11T20:09:28 In Greece, being an EFL teacher means you just got the proficiency. Therefore, no respect (pay, etc) #eltchat
RELOBudapest 2014-06-11T20:09:40 RT @ELPrograms: Physical fitness linked to improved language skills in children http://t.co/DKwfFdnZD1 #ELTchat #wlteach #tesol
LizziePinard 2014-06-11T20:09:44 #eltchat i think generally speaking ELT T's get less than primary/secondary/tertiary T's?
HanaTicha 2014-06-11T20:09:49 I've often experienced sort of schizophrenic reactions - I felt it was respect hidden in mockery #eltchat Can't do sth well? - Then teach!
SueAnnan 2014-06-11T20:09:51 @Marisa_C is it the same with 'normal' school teachers? #eltchat
KateLloyd05 2014-06-11T20:09:54 "When are you going to get a proper job?" Familiar question to anyone? #eltchat
Ashowski 2014-06-11T20:10:17 RT @SueAnnan: @AshowskiIt's my topic. I was sick of teachers looking down their nose at my profession as something secondclass#eltchat
Marisa_C 2014-06-11T20:10:30 RT @KateLloyd05: "When are you going to get a proper job?" Familiar question to anyone? #eltchat
theteacherjames 2014-06-11T20:10:38 @SueAnnan so it’s other non-ELT teachers you know? #ELTchat
01LPearson 2014-06-11T20:10:39 #eltchat The problem is it's a problem which lacks a clear solution - There are too many 'mickey mouse' schools where people do just talk.
Ashowski 2014-06-11T20:10:51 @angelos_bollas @marisa_c @esolcourses @sueannan @naomishema @01lpearson glad you might still contribute - even from bday party :) #eltchat
bernardodemaere 2014-06-11T20:10:52 RT @Marisa_C: In my world, many ELT Ts are paid less than 20% of what they used to get 5-6 yrs ago #Eltchat
Laila_Khairat 2014-06-11T20:10:58 @SueAnnan when I told my fellow primary Ts about wanting to change teaching context to EFL abroad I got "hmmm"s #eltchat
Marisa_C 2014-06-11T20:11:16 @SueAnnan No 'normal' school Ts' pay has suffered some cuts but not that heavy #eltchat hourlay paid Ts suffer most
Philip_Saxon 2014-06-11T20:11:18 I once asked my class of marketing students if they thought teaching was a good profession to belong to. No one agreed. #eltchat
KateLloyd05 2014-06-11T20:11:22 @01LPearson yes, agree #eltchat
Ashowski 2014-06-11T20:11:25 @sueannan I know a colleague at work who has had this problem #eltchat but not me personally
SueAnnan 2014-06-11T20:11:31 RT @KateLloyd05: "When are you going to get a proper job?" Familiar question to anyone? #eltchat
Ashowski 2014-06-11T20:11:44 @lizziepinard hi lizzie! how are you? #eltchat
01LPearson 2014-06-11T20:11:47 @Ashowski @angelos_bollas @Marisa_C @esolcourses @SueAnnan @naomishema #eltchat #truededication!
naomishema 2014-06-11T20:11:56 The trouble is ELT teachers R now reacting 2 Q: With your Eng. why aren't u in High-Tech by ACTUALLY LEAVING. Shortage here #eltchat
Ashowski 2014-06-11T20:11:58 RT @Marisa_C: In my world, many ELT Ts are paid less than 20% of what they used to get 5-6 yrs ago #Eltchat
Ashowski 2014-06-11T20:12:03 RT @01LPearson: #eltchat The thing I've noticed is the lack of respect from other teachers. I have a friend who completed a PGCE and asked …
duygucandarli 2014-06-11T20:12:07 RT @esolcourses: RT @Marisa_C: In my world, many ELT Ts are paid less than 20% of what they used to get 5-6 yrs ago #Eltchat ] same here, i…
MarjorieRosenbe 2014-06-11T20:12:10 @SueAnnan most institutions in Austria pay language teachers far less than other teachers, eg ICT or business studies teachers.  #eltchat
Marisa_C 2014-06-11T20:12:21 But what you're all saying is not just about the money - it's the attitude that we;re not doing a real job!!! #eltchat
Ashowski 2014-06-11T20:12:28 @01lpearson I think this is very common and an awful misperception of our job and the professional behaviour involved #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-06-11T20:12:45 @Marisa_C It seems to be more difficult to be taken seriously when there are backpackers who will do the job cheaply too #eltchat
Ashowski 2014-06-11T20:12:53 @lizziepinard I think that is correct Lizzie #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2014-06-11T20:12:53 @SueAnnan definitely in some placs. #eltchat
theteacherjames 2014-06-11T20:13:08 @KateLloyd05 I think it depends on your background. My family are pretty pleased to have a teacher, I think! #ELTchat
LizziePinard 2014-06-11T20:13:15 @Ashowski #eltchat good thanks :) you?
naomishema 2014-06-11T20:13:21 RT @theteacherjames: @KateLloyd05 I think it depends on your background. My family are pretty pleased to have a teacher, I think! #ELTchat
Ashowski 2014-06-11T20:13:29 @hanaticha It's that awful phrase: "those who can, can; those who can't, teach" #eltchat
seburnt 2014-06-11T20:13:29 @Marisa_C I haven't faced this attitude nor decrease in wage at all, thankfully. #eltchat
HanaTicha 2014-06-11T20:13:29 @SueAnnan @Marisa_C So it implies we should get formal qualifications #eltchat
naomishema 2014-06-11T20:13:46 RT @theteacherjames: @KateLloyd05. My family are pretty pleased to have a teacher, I think! #ELTchat > MINE TOO!
SueAnnan 2014-06-11T20:13:52 @Marisa_C exactly. How can we combat such an attitude? #eltchat
Marisa_C 2014-06-11T20:14:00 @seburnt @HanaTicha @LizziePinard   Welcome :-) #eltchat
HanaTicha 2014-06-11T20:14:05 RT @Ashowski: @hanaticha It's that awful phrase: "those who can, can; those who can't, teach" #eltchat > yes, this one
Ashowski 2014-06-11T20:14:10 RT @01LPearson: @Ashowski @angelos_bollas @Marisa_C @esolcourses @SueAnnan @naomishema #eltchat #truededication!
Marisa_C 2014-06-11T20:14:22 @HanaTicha @Ashowski god yes #eltchat
naomishema 2014-06-11T20:14:27 RT @HanaTicha: RT @Ashowski: @hanaticha It's that awful phrase: "those who can, can; those who can't, teach" #eltchat > yes, this one
LizziePinard 2014-06-11T20:14:27 #eltchat i think the problem is along with dedicated professionals, there are the traveller teachers, gap year types etc
KateLloyd05 2014-06-11T20:14:32 @theteacherjames not from family, I come from a teaching family.....but others - EFL not seen same as state school #eltchat
joannacre 2014-06-11T20:14:46 @SueAnnan @Marisa_C or who say they teach cause they want to travel #eltchat
Ashowski 2014-06-11T20:15:01 @marisa_c that's right, not just the finance but the approach others have to our jobs. as @01LPearson put it: mickey mouse jobs #eltchat
KateLloyd05 2014-06-11T20:15:07 @LizziePinard yup #eltchat
Laila_Khairat 2014-06-11T20:15:15 “@seburnt: @Marisa_C I haven't faced this attitude nor decrease in wage at all, thankfully. #eltchat” So lucky:)
joannacre 2014-06-11T20:15:38 @HanaTicha @Ashowski ah yeah!! I hate that one!!! #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2014-06-11T20:15:43 @LizziePinard Hi Lizzie, Marisa, James. Philip, both Sues. #eltchat
Ashowski 2014-06-11T20:15:48 @sueannan @marisa_c this is where what @01LPearson refers to as "mickey mouse" schools come in to undermind :-/ #eltchat
Marisa_C 2014-06-11T20:15:56 So how can Ts like urselves, web savy, power bloggers do? Seems to me we have a medium and message #eltchat
Ashowski 2014-06-11T20:16:21 @lizziepinard A little disappointed as just finished baking rice pudding but failed ever so slightly :-/ #eltchat
01LPearson 2014-06-11T20:16:26 #eltchat TBF even among CELTA/Trinity graduates you have a split at times between those who want to teach and those who want to travel
MarjorieRosenbe 2014-06-11T20:16:27 @Ashowski @HanaTicha Those who believe it should try it some time. #eltchat
HanaTicha 2014-06-11T20:16:38 @Marisa_C The medium gives us power and confidence - stronger than qualifications sometimes #eltchat
theteacherjames 2014-06-11T20:16:42 I think the first step in increasing professionalisation is for us to act as professionals. Walk the walk. #ELTchat is an example.
Ashowski 2014-06-11T20:16:48 @seburnt @marisa_c economic situation in Canada is pretty good then? #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-06-11T20:16:52 @theteacherjames @KateLloyd05 @naomishema Mine do too, but my husband's family aren't even vaguely impressed-all doctors! #eltchat
LizziePinard 2014-06-11T20:16:53 @Marisa_C #eltchat but how can we influence hiring practice? there will always be private lang schs who want cheapest T's/monkey NS etc
esolcourses 2014-06-11T20:17:04 RT @theteacherjames: I think the first step in increasing professionalisation is for us to act as professionals. Walk the walk. #ELTchat is…
KateLloyd05 2014-06-11T20:17:06 @01LPearson can u not want both? #eltchat
Laila_Khairat 2014-06-11T20:17:34 RT @theteacherjames: I think the first step in increasing professionalisation is for us to act as professionals. Walk the walk. #ELTchat is…
seburnt 2014-06-11T20:17:37 @Ashowski @Marisa_C Comparatively, I guess. #eltchat
Marisa_C 2014-06-11T20:17:38 @LizziePinard I'm saying let's blog about it in all the languages of the world #eltchat Let's make videos and put them up on You Tube
angelos_bollas 2014-06-11T20:17:46 Don't we need to teach employers to hire only qualified Ts?  #eltchat
KateLloyd05 2014-06-11T20:17:48 @LizziePinard @Marisa_C different business models #eltchat
Ashowski 2014-06-11T20:17:57 I think a good beginning would be to get British Government to recognise our work as #teaching and count towards PGCE #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2014-06-11T20:17:59 @Marisa_C Goid question.  At least we know what we can do. I think many sts realise it as well. #eltchat
HanaTicha 2014-06-11T20:18:03 RT @Marisa_C: @LizziePinard I'm saying let's blog about it in all the languages of the world #eltchat Let's make videos and put them up on …
SueAnnan 2014-06-11T20:18:05 @theteacherjames should there be a recognised qualification that everyone needs , or a body we all belong to? #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2014-06-11T20:18:24 RT @Marisa_C: @LizziePinard I'm saying let's blog about it in all the languages of the world #eltchat Let's make videos and put them up on …
Ashowski 2014-06-11T20:18:48 If u want to get QTS in UK you stand better chance being a youth worker or scout leader than #ELT teacher teaching kids with DELTA #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2014-06-11T20:18:52 @theteacherjames And go to conferences and write for journals and see ourselves as professionals.  #eltchat
theteacherjames 2014-06-11T20:18:56 I’m a professional. If other people don’t see it that way, I couldn’t care less. My students & my employers know. #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2014-06-11T20:19:00 @Marisa_C are we just talking to ourselves though? #eltchat
Ashowski 2014-06-11T20:19:01 RT @theteacherjames: I think the first step in increasing professionalisation is for us to act as professionals. Walk the walk. #ELTchat is…
Marisa_C 2014-06-11T20:19:06 @Philip_Saxon @LizziePinard yes! I had some bable account ask me if i was a NEST and qualified I could get a job #eltchat no other way :-D
Ashowski 2014-06-11T20:19:21 RT @Marisa_C: @LizziePinard I'm saying let's blog about it in all the languages of the world #eltchat Let's make videos and put them up on …
LizziePinard 2014-06-11T20:19:33 RT @Ashowski: I think a good beginning would be to get British Government to recognise our work as #teaching and count towards PGCE #eltchat
Ashowski 2014-06-11T20:19:35 @marisa_c @lizziepinard this is a good idea! get the message out there en masse - #eltchat
HanaTicha 2014-06-11T20:19:39 @Marisa_C @Philip_Saxon @LizziePinard Me too!! I got offended immediately :-) #eltchat
01LPearson 2014-06-11T20:19:42 RT @Ashowski: I think a good beginning would be to get British Government to recognise our work as #teaching and count towards PGCE #eltchat
Ashowski 2014-06-11T20:19:50 @angelos_bollas I fear some may never learn :-/ #eltchat
esolcourses 2014-06-11T20:19:51 @theteacherjames agree James. Asserting our right to be treated and paid as professionals is the next step, maybe? :-) #eltchat
stephentimothy 2014-06-11T20:19:52 RT @01LPearson: #eltchat The thing I've noticed is the lack of respect from other teachers. I have a friend who completed a PGCE and asked …
angelos_bollas 2014-06-11T20:19:57 @theteacherjames not everywhere though! #eltchat
KateLloyd05 2014-06-11T20:20:04 RT @theteacherjames: I’m a professional. If other people don’t see it that way, I couldn’t care less. My students & my employers know. #ELT…
Marisa_C 2014-06-11T20:20:08 RT @SueAnnan: @Marisa_C are we just talking to ourselves though? #eltchat > I think we are more or less> those w/ influence spread the msg
theteacherjames 2014-06-11T20:20:15 @MarjorieRosenbe And make sure people know about it, inc employers & sts. #ELTchat
Ashowski 2014-06-11T20:20:21 @sueannan @theteacherjames a body might be a good solution - school teachers belong to a teaching body/college, no? #eltchat
naomishema 2014-06-11T20:20:31 People seem to respect math and science teachers more #eltchat
esolcourses 2014-06-11T20:20:40 RT @Ashowski: @sueannan @theteacherjames a body might be a good solution - school teachers belong to a teaching body/college, no? #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2014-06-11T20:20:47 @Ashowski nothing stops us from trying.. One way or another it is our profession. We are responsible for it! #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-06-11T20:20:54 I spent my time increasing my skills and knowledge. I want to be respected for what I do and be paid accordingly #ELTchat
esolcourses 2014-06-11T20:21:04 RT @SueAnnan: I spent my time increasing my skills and knowledge. I want to be respected for what I do and be paid accordingly #ELTchat
KateLloyd05 2014-06-11T20:21:13 @01LPearson oh yes of course. Fine line #eltchat
Ashowski 2014-06-11T20:21:20 RT @esolcourses: @theteacherjames agree James. Asserting our right to be treated and paid as professionals is the next step, maybe? :-) #el…
HanaTicha 2014-06-11T20:21:23 @naomishema Over here EFL teachers are respected equally #eltchat  But one needs a recognized qualification. #eltchat
Marisa_C 2014-06-11T20:21:24 Could we form a movement like Tessa Woodward started and all of us join in some way? #eltchat
theteacherjames 2014-06-11T20:21:24 @esolcourses Absolutely. Requires self confidence to do that. #ELTchat
Ashowski 2014-06-11T20:21:42 RT @angelos_bollas: @Ashowski nothing stops us from trying.. One way or another it is our profession. We are responsible for it! #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-06-11T20:21:53 @Ashowski @theteacherjames @esolcourses yes. Or a teaching Union #eltchat
theteacherjames 2014-06-11T20:21:54 @angelos_bollas how do you mean? #ELTchat
bar_zie 2014-06-11T20:21:58 RT @KatyELT: Only 24 hours until @ELF_pron talk for the @BCseminars in London with @lauraahaha! Watch online at  http://t.co/EDBAJfAhWw #ef…
Ashowski 2014-06-11T20:22:08 @angelos_bollas I think that is the right attitude there! What do you think @Marisa_C and @01LPearson #eltchat
HanaTicha 2014-06-11T20:22:17 RT @Marisa_C: Could we form a movement like Tessa Woodward started and all of us join in some way? #eltchat I'm in! :-)
SueAnnan 2014-06-11T20:22:34 @Marisa_C what would that entail? #eltchat
seburnt 2014-06-11T20:22:34 RT @theteacherjames: I’m a professional. If other people don’t see it that way, I couldn’t care less. My students & my employers know. #ELT…
esolcourses 2014-06-11T20:22:35 RT @theteacherjames: @esolcourses Absolutely. Requires self confidence to do that. #ELTchat ] Yes. Or support/backing of a professional org?
LizziePinard 2014-06-11T20:23:05 #eltchat perhaps this also comes under @NicolaPrentis 's new IATEFL SIG idea?
theteacherjames 2014-06-11T20:23:07 @Ashowski yes, could be difficult to organise given our global nature, but not impossible. #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2014-06-11T20:23:12 @SueAnnan I don't know yet  - we're here to brainstorm #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2014-06-11T20:23:17 @SueAnnan So,why don't we create a Body that gives work permit to Ts worldwide?Sth like the Cambridge T framework more official tho #eltchat
seburnt 2014-06-11T20:23:26 @theteacherjames Agreed. #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2014-06-11T20:23:35 @Marisa_C @Philip_Saxon @LizziePinard I got grief sometimes for being US NS. Understand how unpleasant it is to get these qs. #eltchat
naomishema 2014-06-11T20:23:56 But don't we have proffesional organizaitons already? Noone seems to care whether I attend or not & don't fund..#eltchat
theteacherjames 2014-06-11T20:24:09 RT @angelos_bollas: Don't we need to teach employers to hire only qualified Ts?  #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2014-06-11T20:24:12 @theteacherjames there are ignorant employers out there! #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-06-11T20:24:29 @naomishema @ELTchat perhaps we need IATEFL to have more teeth? #eltchat
joannacre 2014-06-11T20:24:40 @SueAnnan I totally agree and may I also add that from my experience connections in ELT also affect who gets the job etc #eltchat
Marisa_C 2014-06-11T20:24:51 @naomishema Professional organizations are locally created bodies and often don't include only qualified ppl #eltchat
01LPearson 2014-06-11T20:25:02 sorry for forgetting the #eltchat hashtag a couplpe of times
HanaTicha 2014-06-11T20:25:11 @joannacre Interesting. What connections do you mean? #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2014-06-11T20:25:35 @Marisa_C @SueAnnan I think this is the main problem.  How do we make others see us as we wish to be seen? #eltchat
Marisa_C 2014-06-11T20:25:38 RT @01LPearson: @Ashowski  I think that a governing body (like doctors, lawyers or engineers have) would need to be started by us.#eltchat
naomishema 2014-06-11T20:25:42 Plz understand that the qualification issue is very minor here. Univ graduates here #eltchat
KarenWhiteInk 2014-06-11T20:25:58 @NicolaPrentis Are you following #eltchat? Good topic for you.
Marisa_C 2014-06-11T20:26:03 RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @Marisa_C @SueAnnan I think this is the main problem.  How do we make others see us as we wish to be seen? #eltchat
LizziePinard 2014-06-11T20:26:05 #eltchat http://t.co/LZTWC1VR5y <<the new SIG idea I mentioned as poss. relevant
theteacherjames 2014-06-11T20:26:16 @angelos_bollas True, but I mean the people who have employed me. I’m not going to work anywhere with that attitude. #ELTchat
Ashowski 2014-06-11T20:26:20 @lizziepinard @nicolaprentis I think it definitely does #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2014-06-11T20:26:25 @theteacherjames our university has us fill this into our online performance record. #eltchat
joannacre 2014-06-11T20:26:46 @HanaTicha in my town for example if you know someone who owns a language school and u r a T, qualifications don't matter #eltchat
seburnt 2014-06-11T20:26:53 @Marisa_C @naomishema That's a problem at that level of organisation then, to be dealt with by its membership. #eltchat
Ashowski 2014-06-11T20:27:50 RT @LizziePinard: #eltchat http://t.co/LZTWC1VR5y <<the new SIG idea I mentioned as poss. relevant
theteacherjames 2014-06-11T20:28:06 @Marisa_C we definitely could. I’ve been helping @MarekKiczkowiak with his NNEST equity blog. Lots achieved in a short time. #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2014-06-11T20:28:42 @naomishema my trainees are all graduates before they do a CERT, but people still think they do a 4 week course and get a 'job' #eltchat
esolcourses 2014-06-11T20:29:00 @Txantxangorri @SueAnnan Yes, unions are one solution. I was thinking along the lines of something more focused on ELT... #eltchat
naomishema 2014-06-11T20:29:06 RT @SueAnnan: @naomishema my trainees are all graduates before they do a CERT, but people still think they do a 4 week course and get a 'jo…
HanaTicha 2014-06-11T20:29:07 @joannacre But this can be good because if people know you you can be hired for your qualities, not just qualifications #eltchat
Marisa_C 2014-06-11T20:29:27 It's a complex problem indeed -  but we do have a common goal #eltchat Be/get paid as/be respected as a professionals #eltchat
designerlessons 2014-06-11T20:29:38 I think one of the biggest issues is Pay. If teachers are willing to accept low rates, they will not be respected. #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-06-11T20:29:48 @naomishema and many only do it for a short time and then a PGCE to enter the 'real' teaching profession #eltchat
LizziePinard 2014-06-11T20:29:55 @Marisa_C #eltchat I think those are the goals of Nicola's SIG idea too
Marisa_C 2014-06-11T20:30:13 @designerlessons and there will always be those who accept less pay #eltchat
esolcourses 2014-06-11T20:30:27 RT @designerlessons: I think one of the biggest issues is Pay. If teachers are willing to accept low rates, they will not be respected. #el…
01LPearson 2014-06-11T20:30:37 Surely the solution is to set up an institution, get the (say) British council to back it and then invite good schools to join ... #eltchat
NicolaPrentis 2014-06-11T20:30:54 #eltchat if you think SIG for helping promote teacher's awareness of rights, part of being taken seriously, pressure IATEFL to agree.
SueAnnan 2014-06-11T20:30:54 #ELTchat we lose many good teachers to the Teaching profession because of outside pressure #eltchat
Ashowski 2014-06-11T20:30:55 @designerlessons it might be hard to move the whole teaching body of the world to stop accepting low pay but not impossible ^_^ #eltchat
seburnt 2014-06-11T20:31:01 @theteacherjames @Marisa_C @MarekKiczkowiak If there's one movement, then another--it might as well be housed in local orgs. #eltchat
LizziePinard 2014-06-11T20:31:15 RT @NicolaPrentis: #eltchat if you think SIG for helping promote teacher's awareness of rights, part of being taken seriously, pressure IAT…
01LPearson 2014-06-11T20:31:17 @SueAnnan @naomishema Isn't that a symptom rather than a cause of the problem? #eltchat
Marisa_C 2014-06-11T20:31:19 @LizziePinard I see the point but a SIG seems more esoteric/inward directed to me than...sth else don't quite know what yet tho #eltchat :-)
joannacre 2014-06-11T20:31:30 @HanaTicha yes, but if they do not know you, then it is a bit harder #eltchat
Ashowski 2014-06-11T20:31:50 @01lpearson a body of professional accreditation, right? #eltchat kind of already exists: IATEFL
EveWeb 2014-06-11T20:31:58 RT @esolcourses: @theteacherjames agree James. Asserting our right to be treated and paid as professionals is the next step, maybe? :-) #el…
elawassell 2014-06-11T20:32:01 RT @Marisa_C: It's a complex problem indeed -  but we do have a common goal #eltchat Be/get paid as/be respected as a professionals #eltchat
Marisa_C 2014-06-11T20:32:39 @Ashowski @01lpearson IATEFL the new Cambridge English? Would take years to change into that #eltchat
designerlessons 2014-06-11T20:32:53 @Marisa_C yep, and they only harm and diminish the industry - competition is good, I know of teachers who accept €10/hour #eltchat
EveWeb 2014-06-11T20:32:54 RT @theteacherjames: I think the first step in increasing professionalisation is for us to act as professionals. Walk the walk. #ELTchat is…
ebefl 2014-06-11T20:33:19 RT @theteacherjames: I think the first step in increasing professionalisation is for us to act as professionals. Walk the walk. #ELTchat is…
Marisa_C 2014-06-11T20:33:20 @designerlessons Lol that seems like a lot over here #eltchat
Ashowski 2014-06-11T20:33:27 RT @Marisa_C: @LizziePinard I see the point but a SIG seems more esoteric/inward directed to me than...sth else don't quite know what yet t…
designerlessons 2014-06-11T20:33:32 @Marisa_C which is obviously awful as people lower expectations of value and quality. #eltchat
NicolaPrentis 2014-06-11T20:33:39 #eltchat I can't stress enough how critical the timing of this is and looks like @MarjorieRosenbe thinks so?Sig co-ord meeting soon right?
naomishema 2014-06-11T20:33:59 Pardon me for not getting it, but why should employers care if IATEFL sets standards? Can easily be ignored, no? #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-06-11T20:34:00 @designerlessons @esolcourses It isn't that we are willing - but the conditions are imposed by the employers #eltchat
Ashowski 2014-06-11T20:34:01 @designerlessons @marisa_c is that in Barca? Pay is relative - in Poland 10EUR/hr is nice! ;) #eltchat
seburnt 2014-06-11T20:34:02 @Ashowski @01LPearson I don't like one org having the accredit. powers for such a massive area. Local better w/ supp from bigs. #eltchat
01LPearson 2014-06-11T20:34:03 @Marisa_C @LizziePinard Sorry, could someone explain what SIG stands for for me please. #eltchat
EveWeb 2014-06-11T20:34:04 RT @Marisa_C: But what you're all saying is not just about the money - it's the attitude that we;re not doing a real job!!! #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2014-06-11T20:34:10 @naomishema same here for most part. Either uni or no uni and CELTA. #eltchat
Marisa_C 2014-06-11T20:34:16 And at the other end u have school owners with beautiful lifestyles who thrive on hiring the least qualified #eltchat
EveWeb 2014-06-11T20:34:19 RT @Marisa_C: In my world, many ELT Ts are paid less than 20% of what they used to get 5-6 yrs ago #Eltchat
esolcourses 2014-06-11T20:34:21 RT @NicolaPrentis: #eltchat if you think SIG for helping promote teacher's awareness of rights, part of being taken seriously, pressure IAT…
joannacre 2014-06-11T20:34:22 @designerlessons so based on what do you think we should get piad? experience? diplomas? #eltchat
theteacherjames 2014-06-11T20:34:34 @Ashowski but anyone can join IATEFL, it can only be an indication not a guarantee (not a criticism of IATEFL) #ELTchat
EveWeb 2014-06-11T20:34:35 RT @esolcourses: RT @naomishema: I have the experience of general lack of respect for teachers, not partucilarly 4 Eng. teachers #eltchat ]…
naomishema 2014-06-11T20:34:39 @01LPearson SIG - Special Interest Group #eltchat
HanaTicha 2014-06-11T20:34:49 10 euros per hour  sounds good to me as well :-) #eltchat
01LPearson 2014-06-11T20:34:50 @seburnt @Ashowski But don't you need a big organisation to have the power and recognition to change attitudes? #eltchat
Ashowski 2014-06-11T20:34:54 @naomishema they can be ignored and are ignored - some employers just interested in immediate financial gain #eltchat
Marisa_C 2014-06-11T20:34:59 @01LPearson Special Interest Group - IATEFL has many #eltchat
designerlessons 2014-06-11T20:35:14 @Ashowski @Marisa_C yeah, sorry I was talking Barcelona prices. It has to be compared the the average which is about €23 #eltchat
Ashowski 2014-06-11T20:35:23 @01lpearson @marisa_c @lizziepinard Special Interest Group #eltchat part of IATEFL
joannacre 2014-06-11T20:35:30 @designerlessons @Marisa_C I know teachers who get paid 6 #eltchat
Ashowski 2014-06-11T20:35:54 @theteacherjames that's a good point! something I overlooked, even if sb is unqualified they can join. #eltchat
HanaTicha 2014-06-11T20:35:59 @JulieBTW @naomishema A qualification recognized by the state - MA for primary and secondary schools etc. #eltchat
Ashowski 2014-06-11T20:36:11 @theteacherjames maybe time to change IATEFL membership criteria? #eltchat
designerlessons 2014-06-11T20:36:12 @SueAnnan @esolcourses if teachers unionised employees wouldn't have a choice - this is why we've set up a coop in Barcelona . #eltchat
Marisa_C 2014-06-11T20:36:14 @joannacre @designerlessons and less than 6 in some cases - official beginner hourly rate now Joanna? #eltchat
esolcourses 2014-06-11T20:36:18 @SueAnnan @designerlessons Agree Sue. However, if everybody said no, employers would have to offer better conditions #eltchat
01LPearson 2014-06-11T20:36:24 @theteacherjames @Ashowski Maybe they need to be lobbied to change their structure to maintain a standard? #eltchat
Ashowski 2014-06-11T20:36:54 @designerlessons @marisa_c 23EUR an hour? I'm off to Barcelona - do widzenia Poland! ;) #eltchat
Marisa_C 2014-06-11T20:36:55 RT @Philip_Saxon: @naomishema Professions like medicine, law etc set high barriers to entry. ELT doesn't.#ELTchat (hashtag!)
ebefl 2014-06-11T20:37:02 Real professionalisation is hard as the demand often outstrips the supply. As it is anyone can TEFL. #eltchat
LizziePinard 2014-06-11T20:37:13 "a SIG seems more esoteric/inward directed to me than...sth else don't quite know what yet tho #eltchat :-)" - @NicolaPrentis thoughts?
Marisa_C 2014-06-11T20:37:14 RT @Ashowski: @designerlessons @marisa_c 23EUR an hour? I'm off to Barcelona - do widzenia Poland! ;) #eltchat
naomishema 2014-06-11T20:37:15 @Philip_Saxon Here barriers have been lowered because ELT teachers leaving the proffesion... #eltchat
01LPearson 2014-06-11T20:37:27 @esolcourses @SueAnnan @designerlessons But there are always more people who will move into the jobs ... #eltchat
Ashowski 2014-06-11T20:37:34 @designerlessons @sueannan @esolcourses it seems the coop is with the zeitgeist - are we moving towards a unionised industry? #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-06-11T20:37:37 @theteacherjames @Ashowski I hadn't realised that there wasn't employment in ELT as criteria for IATEFL #eltchat
designerlessons 2014-06-11T20:37:47 @joannacre teachers won't be respected unless they're qualified in so e way. Around 60% have a celta or equivalent in Barcelona #eltchat
theteacherjames 2014-06-11T20:37:50 @01LPearson @Ashowski I worry that by excluding people you risk alienating those who need it the most. #ELTchat
01LPearson 2014-06-11T20:37:51 RT @Marisa_C: RT @Philip_Saxon: @naomishema Professions like medicine, law etc set high barriers to entry. ELT doesn't.#ELTchat (hashtag!)
Ashowski 2014-06-11T20:38:09 SIGs, Co-Ops and other initiatives - is the zeitgeist changing? Are we moving towards an era of unionised ELT workers? #eltchat
LizziePinard 2014-06-11T20:38:10 RT @01LPearson: @esolcourses @SueAnnan @designerlessons But there are always more people who will move into the jobs ... #eltchat
Marisa_C 2014-06-11T20:38:10 @LizziePinard @NicolaPrentis yes thoughts? #eltchat if not a SIG then what?
elawassell 2014-06-11T20:38:18 RT @Marisa_C: RT @Philip_Saxon: @naomishema Professions like medicine, law etc set high barriers to entry. ELT doesn't.#ELTchat (hashtag!)
KateLloyd05 2014-06-11T20:38:21 @JulieBTW @HanaTicha @naomishema by which state though? Ok within country in mainstream edu but what about those of us who travel? #eltchat
joannacre 2014-06-11T20:38:29 @Marisa_C @designerlessons  big chains pay like 3-4 euro an hour to new teachers. That is unacceptable! #eltchat
designerlessons 2014-06-11T20:38:47 @esolcourses @SueAnnan exactly. Without teachers there are no companies. They take a huge cut, but only where teachers allow it. #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-06-11T20:38:53 @Ashowski is it a necessary evil? #eltchat
Ashowski 2014-06-11T20:39:12 @theteacherjames @01lpearson again, something I hadn't thought of :-/ maybe a tier system of membership? #eltchat
ELTwriter 2014-06-11T20:39:19 #Eltchat Do any EFL teachers join unions? I was in one in the UK #gotmyback
naomishema 2014-06-11T20:39:26 @KateLloyd05 Which state? Excatly! U can see that I seem to be from a different universe sometimes... #eltchat
KateLloyd05 2014-06-11T20:39:26 @esolcourses @SueAnnan @designerlessons but everyone won't say no. Those backpacker style ones don't care #eltchat
esolcourses 2014-06-11T20:39:31 @01LPearson @SueAnnan @designerlessons ...yes. and that is what perpetuates the problem. #eltchat
LizziePinard 2014-06-11T20:39:38 RT @esolcourses: @01LPearson @SueAnnan @designerlessons ...yes. and that is what perpetuates the problem. #eltchat
Ashowski 2014-06-11T20:39:41 maybe teachers could be better recognised by IATEFL via tier system of membership: unqualified, CELTA, DELTA, etc #eltchat thoughts?
01LPearson 2014-06-11T20:39:46 RT @Ashowski: @theteacherjames @01lpearson again, something I hadn't thought of :-/ maybe a tier system of membership? #eltchat
NicolaPrentis 2014-06-11T20:39:48 @naomishema eg T's know pay rates/contract conditions across schls/countries, frm 1 official http://t.co/kPG0H4jOCB&shame #eltchat
designerlessons 2014-06-11T20:40:05 @Ashowski @SueAnnan @esolcourses I hope so. Teachers need to take ownership, they are the ones with the skills #eltchat
esolcourses 2014-06-11T20:40:19 RT @Ashowski: @designerlessons @sueannan @esolcourses it seems the coop is with the zeitgeist - are we moving towards a unionised industry?…
designerlessons 2014-06-11T20:40:19 RT @Ashowski: @designerlessons @sueannan @esolcourses it seems the coop is with the zeitgeist - are we moving towards a unionised industry?…
Ashowski 2014-06-11T20:40:40 RT @designerlessons: @Ashowski @SueAnnan @esolcourses I hope so. Teachers need to take ownership, they are the ones with the skills #eltchat
seburnt 2014-06-11T20:40:41 @01LPearson @Ashowski Depends what you consider "big"? More local members there are, the bigger the local one gets. #eltchat
ebefl 2014-06-11T20:40:54 One way to be more professional would be to not teach using discredited magical methods #eltchat #pseudoscience #neuromyths ;)
SueAnnan 2014-06-11T20:41:10 @Ashowski they are certainly recognised in this way by the British Council #eltchat
joannacre 2014-06-11T20:41:13 I think another problem is that  eligibility for a teaching permit is dif from country to country #eltchat
Marisa_C 2014-06-11T20:41:16 Might be an idea to start a wiki where we collect info on each country - then share blog posts which anyone can use &/or translate #eltchat
esolcourses 2014-06-11T20:41:21 @Ashowski @designerlessons @sueannan a unionised industry gets my vote #eltchat
01LPearson 2014-06-11T20:41:31 @Ashowski Even a system like this would also need a great deal of publicity as well though #eltchat
designerlessons 2014-06-11T20:41:38 @01LPearson @esolcourses @SueAnnan theres an issue there,but there Ralways layers2 a market.Those paying €€sexpect higher quality #eltchat
Ashowski 2014-06-11T20:41:54 RT @SueAnnan: @Ashowski they are certainly recognised in this way by the British Council #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-06-11T20:42:10 @esolcourses @Ashowski @designerlessons mine too, if it gives us a better standing in society #eltchat
Marisa_C 2014-06-11T20:42:30 I personally would donate all my related posts to such a cause #eltchat
joannacre 2014-06-11T20:42:41 RT @Marisa_C: Might be an idea to start a wiki where we collect info on each country - then share blog posts which anyone can use &/or tran…
esolcourses 2014-06-11T20:42:55 @Philip_Saxon @Ashowski @designerlessons @SueAnnan here in the UK, I they wouldn't have a choice. Union membership is a right #eltchat
NicolaPrentis 2014-06-11T20:43:07 @Marisa_C Australia eg has Union and mandated payrises and official payscales. I was amazed #eltchat keep forgetting the #! not used to this
SueAnnan 2014-06-11T20:43:25 @Philip_Saxon @naomishema and more respect for the job we do #eltchat
naomishema 2014-06-11T20:43:35 RT @SueAnnan: @Philip_Saxon @naomishema and more respect for the job we do #eltchat
designerlessons 2014-06-11T20:43:47 We did some market research on rates of pay, expectations, and qualifications #eltchat barcelona Teachers' Survey http://t.co/ZqZMV22AxL
Marisa_C 2014-06-11T20:43:49 @NicolaPrentis i may have missed some of ur tweets then cn u go back and RT them with #eltchat pls
theteacherjames 2014-06-11T20:43:53 RT @ebefl: One way to be more professional would be to not teach using discredited magical methods #eltchat #pseudoscience #neuromyths ;)
LizziePinard 2014-06-11T20:43:56 RT @NicolaPrentis:IATEFL is the stage not the body to do anything about it.Ts themselves if informed can act, together maybe #eltchat
designerlessons 2014-06-11T20:43:57 RT @esolcourses: @Philip_Saxon @Ashowski @designerlessons @SueAnnan here in the UK, I they wouldn't have a choice. Union membership is a ri…
joannacre 2014-06-11T20:44:00 I know that their is an accreditation handbook which tells u ur tefl status #eltchat
designerlessons 2014-06-11T20:44:09 RT @esolcourses: @Ashowski @designerlessons @sueannan a unionised industry gets my vote #eltchat
NicolaPrentis 2014-06-11T20:44:21 @Ashowski Seems like pushing fault back onto T's.Schools must be made to apply an expected standard or lose out on recruits #eltchat
elawassell 2014-06-11T20:44:36 @Marisa_C @Philip_Saxon aren't CELTA & DELTA kind of bars? But that's up to the employers to recognise the level of professionalism.#eltchat
01LPearson 2014-06-11T20:44:37 @SueAnnan @Philip_Saxon @naomishema #eltchat Personally  the pay is nowhere near as important as the recognition and social respect.
designerlessons 2014-06-11T20:45:07 @Marisa_C that's  a great idea #eltchat
elawassell 2014-06-11T20:45:07 RT @NicolaPrentis: @Ashowski Seems like pushing fault back onto T's.Schools must be made to apply an expected standard or lose out on recru…
SueAnnan 2014-06-11T20:45:13 @NicolaPrentis @Ashowski there is only one school where I am- they hold all the cards :-) #eltchat
Marisa_C 2014-06-11T20:45:18 You would all be surprised at how many parents read my Greek blog and write to me asking me for advice #eltchat Address the customer
LizziePinard 2014-06-11T20:45:32 RT @ELTwriter:@NicolaPrentis a SIG would be a useful voice in unison - to lobby for minimum conditions - the industry would listen #eltchat
01LPearson 2014-06-11T20:45:32 Schools will never solve this problem though - the lead needs  to come from teachers. #eltchat
NicolaPrentis 2014-06-11T20:45:48 @SueAnnan @Ashowski BCone of culprits.Don't pay full time soc sec contributions to T's in Madrid.do NOT set standard excellence #eltchat
ELTwriter 2014-06-11T20:45:50 #eltchat have any other ELT professionals out there been in unions?
designerlessons 2014-06-11T20:46:10 @SueAnnan @NicolaPrentis @Ashowski sounds like a good opp to start your own :) #eltchat
01LPearson 2014-06-11T20:46:58 The problem is outside of the industry they are relatively unknown. #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-06-11T20:47:07 @NicolaPrentis @Ashowski I have heard that they are less rigorous about own schools #eltchat
NicolaPrentis 2014-06-11T20:47:12 There needs to be one for ELT @ELTwriter #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2014-06-11T20:47:31 @elawassell @Marisa_C I think this can only work on country-to-country basis. Same as other professions. #eltchat
theteacherjames 2014-06-11T20:47:57 Would also be powerful if sts understood our qualifications. I work for the only school on my country which requires CELTA minimum #ELTchat
naomishema 2014-06-11T20:47:57 I belong to a union but for all high school teachers, not ELT #eltchat Not helpful to your Q, I guess.
designerlessons 2014-06-11T20:48:01 @esolcourses @Philip_Saxon @Ashowski @SueAnnan they would, if the majority joined - no united voice gives employers the power #eltchat
pjgallantry 2014-06-11T20:48:04 #eltchat hi all- late addition to chat :-) we were talking of global accreditation 20 yrs ago & still here we are :-/
esolcourses 2014-06-11T20:48:09 RT @ELTwriter: #Eltchat Do any EFL teachers join unions? I was in one in the UK #gotmyback ] Yep. ATL is probably the most relevant UK one
NicolaPrentis 2014-06-11T20:48:19 BC are as bad as any of the cowboys, they just pretend better @01LPearson #eltchat
TESOLacademic 2014-06-11T20:48:25 MT "@Ashowski ... could be better recognised by IATEFL via tier system of membership: unqualified, CELTA, DELTA,  #eltchat Good idea 4 UK?
theteacherjames 2014-06-11T20:48:26 We make sure our students know what they’re paying for #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2014-06-11T20:48:29 so how would we go about setting up a union? #eltchat
01LPearson 2014-06-11T20:48:45 @MarjorieRosenbe @elawassell @Marisa_C But with the profession being so innately international a local system cannot work. #eltchat
ELTwriter 2014-06-11T20:49:21 @NicolaPrentis #eltchat - I was a member of the Voice union in the UK a few years ago. They seemed ok to accept TEFLers
MarjorieRosenbe 2014-06-11T20:49:21 @elawassell @Marisa_C Also varies country to country. #eltchat
Marisa_C 2014-06-11T20:49:25 @Philip_Saxon  This post in Greek is  a hit http://t.co/W8R5Uua16Z  #eltchat  How not to teach English
designerlessons 2014-06-11T20:49:28 RT @theteacherjames: We make sure our students know what they’re paying for #ELTchat
seburnt 2014-06-11T20:49:45 @SueAnnan Just officially joined a union at the university today. Not an easy process to officiate. #eltchat
theteacherjames 2014-06-11T20:49:52 If sts know that a school doesn’t employ qualified teachers & what that means, that would soon change the employers attitude #ELTchat
Marisa_C 2014-06-11T20:50:04 RT @theteacherjames: If sts know that a school doesn’t employ qualified teachers & what that means, that would soon change the employers at…
seburnt 2014-06-11T20:50:15 @theteacherjames "We make sure our students know what they’re paying for #ELTchat" Haha out of context.
designerlessons 2014-06-11T20:50:21 @theteacherjames this is key: shows value, what the clients are investing in, and demands respect #eltchat
LizziePinard 2014-06-11T20:50:28 #eltchat @NicolaPrentis maybe the new SIG could help T's to know what union options are available and how to join them etc - not ness easy!
SueAnnan 2014-06-11T20:50:34 @theteacherjames so do we but there is a diff between the 4 weekers and the many years qualified even in my school. #eltchat
NicolaPrentis 2014-06-11T20:50:35 @Philip_Saxon @Marisa_C @LizziePinard easy to set agenda! if people are informed, they can act and decide who to work for #eltchat
pjgallantry 2014-06-11T20:50:51 #eltchat don't think union would work in UK - tons of demand, tons of supply & schools work on lowest profit margins poss.
deannamascle 2014-06-11T20:51:05 I believe gamification supports learning and writing development http://t.co/foPnFjbrzh #FYCchat #EngChat #ELTchat #NWP
elawassell 2014-06-11T20:51:13 RT @theteacherjames: If sts know that a school doesn’t employ qualified teachers & what that means, that would soon change the employers at…
Marisa_C 2014-06-11T20:51:30 @Philip_Saxon It might if what u re saying is that it's the result of poor teaching #eltchat
theteacherjames 2014-06-11T20:51:50 @designerlessons Exactly #ELTchat
joannacre 2014-06-11T20:51:55 @SueAnnan @theteacherjames and having a delta and an MA in tesol #eltchat
01LPearson 2014-06-11T20:52:04 #eltchat I feel a proffessional institution would be of more use than a union? #eltchat
Ashowski 2014-06-11T20:52:11 RT @designerlessons: @esolcourses @Philip_Saxon @Ashowski @SueAnnan they would, if the majority joined - no united voice gives employers th…
NicolaPrentis 2014-06-11T20:52:14 @SueAnnan @Ashowski Schools in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones.BC shld be first to be held to account or light shone on them #eltchat
pjgallantry 2014-06-11T20:52:19 #eltchat how about a peer-accredited network? Eg I say I have xyz quals & so do my colleagues....
KateLloyd05 2014-06-11T20:53:23 @pjgallantry like LinkedIn? #eltchat
pjgallantry 2014-06-11T20:53:31 #eltchat...all these peer-accredited networks are published as part of how schools flog themselves...
SueAnnan 2014-06-11T20:53:34 sorry got distracted by a crash outside mt window :-( #eltchat
designerlessons 2014-06-11T20:54:03 @01LPearson how do you mean? #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2014-06-11T20:54:10 @naomishema and pay also varies widely within the same country. So many factors play a role. #eltchat
01LPearson 2014-06-11T20:54:16 @SueAnnan Everyone okay? #eltchat
Marisa_C 2014-06-11T20:54:27 In Greece we have School Associations (Unions) and Franchises - could be approached #eltchat
ELTwriter 2014-06-11T20:54:33 @LizziePinard @NicolaPrentis excellent idea #eltchat
pjgallantry 2014-06-11T20:54:38 #eltchat....& it would (hopefully) become self-policing to weed out dodgy people.
seburnt 2014-06-11T20:54:59 @01LPearson @Ashowski Besides, not everything that is effective is top-down.#eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2014-06-11T20:55:09 @naomishema agree with Naomi. Most people I'vexworked for here don't even know what Iatefl is. #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-06-11T20:55:16 @Marisa_C in order to find out how to set one up? #eltchat
01LPearson 2014-06-11T20:55:26 @designerlessons Setting up an institution who could regulate teaching standards is of more use in changing attitudes than a union #eltchat
NicolaPrentis 2014-06-11T20:55:36 @LizziePinard @ELTwriter Tweet @carolread and tell her if you agree with SIG idea. lobbying not their thing,informing/training is #eltchat
Marisa_C 2014-06-11T20:55:46 RT @seburnt: @01LPearson @Ashowski Besides, not everything that is effective is top-down.#eltchat > I think u re right but share info gd
naomishema 2014-06-11T20:56:13 Apologies, long day at work tomorrow. Must go to sleep. So late. Good night! #eltchat
Marisa_C 2014-06-11T20:56:18 @SueAnnan No I mean to be pressured into setting standards for hiring and paying #eltchat
face_english 2014-06-11T20:56:25 What can be done? #ELTChat
pjgallantry 2014-06-11T20:56:36 @KateLloyd05 #eltchat :-D indeedy!
NicolaPrentis 2014-06-11T20:56:45 @SueAnnan @Ashowski No they don't! STRIKE, STRIKE and STRIKE again. organise know yr rights and organise yrselves #eltchat
designerlessons 2014-06-11T20:56:58 @01LPearson ah I see. Good idea, but tricky to implement though, as it would likely depend on the country.  #eltchat
theteacherjames 2014-06-11T20:57:05 @joannacre but speaking as a four weeker, I’d like to point out that’s not the only qualification! Experience, PD etc #ELTchat
SueAnnan 2014-06-11T20:57:07 @Marisa_C Right. sorry I misunderstood #eltchat
NicolaPrentis 2014-06-11T20:57:48 @designerlessons @SueAnnan @Ashowski unions need localised action,conditions vary but knowing rights and comparisons is the key #eltchat
Marisa_C 2014-06-11T20:57:50 @SueAnnan Well it is a fast and furious #eltchat and with good reason!!!
designerlessons 2014-06-11T20:57:54 @01LPearson we set up the coop to give ownership to teachers, and regulate competition (minimum hourly rate), also2provide services #eltchat
01LPearson 2014-06-11T20:57:58 @designerlessons It would be slow and laborious, and would have to be global, but it is the only way to truly affect change. #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-06-11T20:58:29 There seems to be strong feelings about this from many quarters. Glad it's not just me #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2014-06-11T20:58:44 @theteacherjames Maybe. But it also depemds on reason sts attend a class. In adult ed some do it for the social aspect. #eltchat
Philip_Saxon 2014-06-11T20:58:51 @Marisa_C Sorry, dozed off for a minute…will remember next time!  #eltchat
Marisa_C 2014-06-11T20:58:54 About to wrap up this #ELTchat - may I ask for a volunteer for the summary pls?
NicolaPrentis 2014-06-11T20:58:57 @Marisa_C This is sthg a SIG could do @carolread #eltchat
anasainzc 2014-06-11T20:59:06 RT @theteacherjames: If sts know that a school doesn’t employ qualified teachers & what that means, that would soon change the employers at…
languageeteach 2014-06-11T20:59:09 RT @ebefl: One way to be more professional would be to not teach using discredited magical methods #eltchat #pseudoscience #neuromyths ;)
joannacre 2014-06-11T20:59:14 @theteacherjames yeap #eltchat
pjgallantry 2014-06-11T20:59:21 #eltchat just as with ELT unplugged, so with ELT unionisation: think global, act local! :-D
designerlessons 2014-06-11T20:59:30 @01LPearson unions have powers2negotiate pay&conditions &can strike when broken or not improved. More power than an instit. IMHO #eltchat
Marisa_C 2014-06-11T20:59:39 @NicolaPrentis @carolread you mean putting pressure? #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-06-11T20:59:44 this is the point we look for a summary writer. I'll do it,  as my topic. #eltchat
designerlessons 2014-06-11T20:59:50 RT @NicolaPrentis: @designerlessons @SueAnnan @Ashowski unions need localised action,conditions vary but knowing rights and comparisons is …
MarjorieRosenbe 2014-06-11T21:00:13 @theteacherjames here the universities are free & theclanguage Institute charges very little for sts. #eltchat
01LPearson 2014-06-11T21:00:44 @designerlessons The inst. could set a level and regulate it (think docs/engineers) and things like pay depend on local conditions #eltchat
designerlessons 2014-06-11T21:00:57 @NicolaPrentis @SueAnnan @Ashowski agreed, lots depends on local laws, and worker rights. National unions are useful  #eltchat
Ashowski 2014-06-11T21:00:58 RT @pjgallantry: #eltchat just as with ELT unplugged, so with ELT unionisation: think global, act local! :-D
designerlessons 2014-06-11T21:01:10 RT @01LPearson: @designerlessons The inst. could set a level and regulate it (think docs/engineers) and things like pay depend on local con…
designerlessons 2014-06-11T21:01:15 RT @01LPearson: @designerlessons It would be slow and laborious, and would have to be global, but it is the only way to truly affect change…
theteacherjames 2014-06-11T21:01:32 @MarjorieRosenbe Difficult to expect professionalism in that environment. Mainly down to teacher, I guess. #ELTchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2014-06-11T21:01:33 @LizziePinard @NicolaPrentis This would differ from country to country.  Not really an Iatefl thing. #eltchat
Ashowski 2014-06-11T21:01:48 Right guys must dash - thank you all for another great #eltchat :-)
designerlessons 2014-06-11T21:01:53 RT @pjgallantry: #eltchat just as with ELT unplugged, so with ELT unionisation: think global, act local! :-D
NicolaPrentis 2014-06-11T21:02:19 Agree @carolread?"@pjgallantry: #eltchat just as with ELT unplugged, so with ELT unionisation: think global, act local! :-D"
designerlessons 2014-06-11T21:02:31 @Ashowski cheers Anthony, good chat! #eltchat
01LPearson 2014-06-11T21:02:34 #eltchat Thanks everyone -  see you all next week! Have a really good week! :D
SueAnnan 2014-06-11T21:02:37 very interesting and intense #ELTchat. Thanks everyone for taking part.
ELTwriter 2014-06-11T21:02:51 @MarjorieRosenbe @LizziePinard @NicolaPrentis but would be reaaaly useful uin the UK, no? #eltchat and much needed
KateLloyd05 2014-06-11T21:03:12 @Ashowski yep, me too. Bedtime it's past midnight. Night all. Thanks for chat #eltchat
Marisa_C 2014-06-11T21:03:18 Great #ELTchat - loads of ideas - where can we continue this discussion - maybe in  the FB group? Let's wait for the summary tho
theteacherjames 2014-06-11T21:03:31 Thanks everyone, very interesting chat as always. I hope something comes of this, & if it does, count me in! #ELTchat
NicolaPrentis 2014-06-11T21:03:55 @Marisa_C @carolread by compiling name & shame list, inform and educate t's if their rights&comparable conditions eg state schools #eltchat
angelos_bollas 2014-06-11T21:03:57 RT @Marisa_C: Might be an idea to start a wiki where we collect info on each country - then share blog posts which anyone can use &/or tran…
designerlessons 2014-06-11T21:04:06 RT @theteacherjames: Thanks everyone, very interesting chat as always. I hope something comes of this, & if it does, count me in! #ELTchat
JenniKeeney 2014-06-11T21:04:25 RT @Philip_Saxon: So the question is how to earn more respect? Have I understood correctly? #eltchat
joannacre 2014-06-11T21:04:28 night  all : ) #eltchat
Morteacher 2014-06-11T21:04:35 #eltchat greetings all from a newbie
NicolaPrentis 2014-06-11T21:05:02 @SueAnnan Please Tweet @carolread, IATEFL president and tell her this! #eltchat
SueAnnan 2014-06-11T21:05:05 @Marisa_C will pick up the tweets and do summary :-) #eltchat
designerlessons 2014-06-11T21:05:19 Fair pay and equal rights for international TEFL practitioners SIG - who's up for it? #eltchat
Marisa_C 2014-06-11T21:05:39 RT @SueAnnan: @Marisa_C will pick up the tweets and do summary :-) #eltchat > You Scottish angel :-)
esolcourses 2014-06-11T21:05:48 Thanks for a very interesting and thought provoking #eltchat folks! GTG - catch you later :-)
MarjorieRosenbe 2014-06-11T21:06:02 @pjgallantry Danger for many of us could mean losing residency permit. Also contract work becoming standard in many professions. #eltchat
designerlessons 2014-06-11T21:06:14 Thanks all for interesting chat, sorry I missed the beginning #eltchat
Marisa_C 2014-06-11T21:06:23 @designerlessons I'd certainly be up for it #eltchat but we must explore ALL possible avenues as well
NicolaPrentis 2014-06-11T21:06:42 "@LizziePinard: #eltchat maybe new SIG cld help T's know what union options available&how to join them etc - not ness easy!" @carolread
designerlessons 2014-06-11T21:07:27 @Marisa_C :) good to hear, and I agree. #eltchat
designerlessons 2014-06-11T21:07:56 RT @LizziePinard: #eltchat @NicolaPrentis maybe the new SIG could help T's to know what union options are available and how to join them et…
ELTwriter 2014-06-11T21:08:59 RT @NicolaPrentis: "@LizziePinard: #eltchat maybe new SIG cld help T's know what union options available&how to join them etc - not ness ea…
Marisa_C 2014-06-11T21:09:07 Good night everyone and let's not let things be!!!!!!! #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2014-06-11T21:09:15 @LizziePinard @ELTwriter @NicolaPrentis iatefl is a charity. This isn't reallybin remit & every country vhas dfferent laws. #eltchat
LizziePinard 2014-06-11T21:09:27 @Marisa_C #eltchat good night all :)
ELTwriter 2014-06-11T21:09:40 my first #eltchat ... thanks
Romdhanifaten 2014-06-11T21:10:03 RT @LizziePinard: My latest Top 10 is for teaching and learning act pronunciation - have you seen all these?! http://t.co/oo0JMixYZb #elt #…
designerlessons 2014-06-11T21:10:04 RT @Marisa_C: Good night everyone and let's not let things be!!!!!!! #eltchat
NicolaPrentis 2014-06-11T21:10:11 "@SueAnnan: There seems to be strong feelings about this from many quarters. Glad it's not just me #eltchat yes @carolread there are!
Marisa_C 2014-06-11T21:10:12 @ELTwriter Very cool - you did great!!! Hope you join again :-) #eltchat
Romdhanifaten 2014-06-11T21:10:17 RT @evab2001: END OF THE YEAR ACTIVITIES  http://t.co/HFxUxwH2LT #EFL #eltchat
Morteacher 2014-06-11T21:10:25 #eltchat Good night all
MarjorieRosenbe 2014-06-11T21:10:32 Night all. Iatefl besig conference in Graz this weekend so lots to do.#eltchat
EdLaur 2014-06-11T21:10:34 RT @theteacherjames: I think the first step in increasing professionalisation is for us to act as professionals. Walk the walk. #ELTchat is…
Marisa_C 2014-06-11T21:10:58 @MarjorieRosenbe Wish I could just teleport to see you all there #eltchat
Morteacher 2014-06-11T21:11:01 #eltchat My first chat here . Thanks all
NicolaPrentis 2014-06-11T21:11:16 @01LPearson @designerlessons Agree, this is why IATEFL is a good host for sthg like this.Union = sthg else #eltchat
pjgallantry 2014-06-11T21:11:17 @MarjorieRosenbe #eltchat totally understand: it happens EVERYWHERE in ELT. :-(
Marisa_C 2014-06-11T21:11:23 @Morteacher Great!!!! Welcome to the clan of #ELTchat !!!
Romdhanifaten 2014-06-11T21:11:28 RT @jaluribe: Living Language thru Guided Imagery with YLs. http://t.co/wVbeXJLPUu #elemchat #eltchat #tesol #kinderchat #kids #tesol #yls …
Romdhanifaten 2014-06-11T21:11:43 RT @Marisa_C: @NikkiFortova http://t.co/3C4AlVBVMg or check this blog post http://t.co/aNUs822VyP (on creating infographics_ #eltchat edtech
Romdhanifaten 2014-06-11T21:12:53 RT @nutrich: Experiential learning http://t.co/wrdZRDnwKa #elt #eltchat
Marisa_C 2014-06-11T21:13:02 @LizziePinard night Lizzie :-) Good night all ! #eltchat
designerlessons 2014-06-11T21:13:02 @becksdad look through the latest #eltchat about how to improve levels of respect in #tefl - very pertinent to @slbcoop and what we're doing
Romdhanifaten 2014-06-11T21:13:27 RT @ann_f: teflreflections: #ELTChat on CEFR - a summary and reflection | @scoopit http://t.co/rNhRDvQzfk #TeachingEnglish
Marisa_C 2014-06-11T21:13:48 RT @designerlessons: @becksdad look through the latest #eltchat about how to improve levels of respect in #tefl - very pertinent to @slbcoo…
moreto_learn 2014-06-11T21:14:02 RT @theteacherjames: If sts know that a school doesn’t employ qualified teachers & what that means, that would soon change the employers at…
Marisa_C 2014-06-11T21:14:26 @designerlessons @becksdad @slbcoop Hope @SueAnnan includes this as a related link in her summary #eltchat
english247 2014-06-11T21:15:26 Get set for summer with our giant summer word search puzzle http://t.co/RVAloSDP6m  #efl #esl #esol #engpls #twinglish #eltchat #yl #kids
NicolaPrentis 2014-06-11T21:15:45 @Marisa_C @SueAnnan New to this, how do I get the summary? Thanks! :) I am sure @carolread interested to see such interest in topic #eltchat
Morteacher 2014-06-11T21:15:50 #eltchat : @Marisa_C Greetings from Morocco to all fellow teachers and ELT practitioners
LizziePinard 2014-06-11T21:16:57 @NicolaPrentis @Marisa_C @SueAnnan @carolread it'll be posted on the #eltchat Facebook group page and also in this hashtag stream, when done
Marisa_C 2014-06-11T21:17:16 @NicolaPrentis @SueAnnan @carolread Sue will write it and will post on her blog, then I'll copy it to the #eltchat blog And facebook grp
designerlessons 2014-06-11T21:17:27 @Marisa_C @becksdad @SLBCoop @SueAnnan thanks, the coop really wants2stand up4teachers' rights. All members have ownership afterall #eltchat
Marisa_C 2014-06-11T21:18:00 @NicolaPrentis @SueAnnan @carolread here is the blog http://t.co/XGFA2PpVYj #eltchat
designerlessons 2014-06-11T21:18:50 @Marisa_C @becksdad @SLBCoop @SueAnnan our blog is at http://t.co/117Ofbk37P in case you missed it. We're just starting out #eltchat
NicolaPrentis 2014-06-11T21:21:21 "@designerlessons: Fair pay and equal rights for international TEFL practitioners SIG - who's up for it? #eltchat" @carolread
EdLaur 2014-06-11T21:22:02 “@ebefl: Real professionalisation is hard as the demand often outstrips the supply. As it is anyone can TEFL. #eltchat” Very true
NicolaPrentis 2014-06-11T21:27:28 Check out #eltchat @josipa74 Ppl support idea of SIG for informing t's of workers rights.was tagged in it and joined in
SLBCoop 2014-06-11T21:29:14 RT @designerlessons: @Marisa_C @becksdad @SLBCoop @SueAnnan our blog is at http://t.co/117Ofbk37P in case you missed it. We're just startin…
SLBCoop 2014-06-11T21:29:23 RT @designerlessons: @becksdad look through the latest #eltchat about how to improve levels of respect in #tefl - very pertinent to @slbcoo…
Marisa_C 2014-06-11T21:37:51 @designerlessons thanks :-) duly noted #eltchat

 

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