| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T19:45:43 | Hello???? Anyone for #ELTchat in abt 15' ? "How do you balance teaching for fluency and teaching for accuracy in grammar and vocabulary" |
| mary28sou | 2014-05-28T19:46:22 | Standing by, ready to go. #eltchat |
| anasainzc | 2014-05-28T19:46:59 | @Marisa_C I'm here too #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T19:48:33 | @anasainzc @mary28sou @SueAnnan @HadaLitim Stay tuned :-) #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas | 2014-05-28T19:50:17 | RT @Marisa_C: Hello???? Anyone for #ELTchat in abt 15' ? "How do you balance teaching for fluency and teaching for accuracy in grammar and … |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T19:53:42 | @Marisa_C @anasainzc @mary28sou @SueAnnan Tweetdeck all set and archivist ready to launch - sounds like we're off on a space trip #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T19:54:42 | http://t.co/D71QDQHd5y by Chris Cotter #ELTchat - accuracy vs fluencey reading |
| SueAnnan | 2014-05-28T19:56:12 | RT @Marisa_C: http://t.co/D71QDQHd5y by Chris Cotter #ELTchat - accuracy vs fluencey reading |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T19:56:55 | report of one of Penny Ur's webinars on our topic http://t.co/xef40y7RUw #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T19:57:32 | @HadaLitim @anasainzc @mary28sou @SueAnnan we are indeed - travelling thru space and time and meeting virtually #eltchat |
| naomishema | 2014-05-28T19:58:10 | #eltchat Good evening! |
| angelos_bollas | 2014-05-28T19:58:52 | #eltchat Good evening to all of us! :-) |
| HanaTicha | 2014-05-28T19:59:17 | Good evening #eltchat |
| SueAnnan | 2014-05-28T19:59:45 | #ELTchat Evening everyone. Are we ready to go? |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T19:59:49 | Aloha everyone! #eltchat |
| joannacre | 2014-05-28T20:00:02 | hello : ) #eltchat |
| anasainzc | 2014-05-28T20:00:06 | Hi there! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T20:00:08 | Welcome and a good evening to all #eltchat folk - today it's accuracy vs fluency - let's get this big show on the road!!! |
| eilymurphy | 2014-05-28T20:00:39 | @SueAnnan Hello everyone - great topic! #eltchat |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T20:00:45 | @SueAnnan Ready to launch Su #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T20:00:52 | Is the person who suggested the topic present? #eltchat |
| SueAnnan | 2014-05-28T20:01:09 | #ELTchat Was just going to ask the same question :-) |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T20:01:12 | @eilymurphy @SueAnnan Hi Eily, nice to see you again )) #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T20:01:21 | @HadaLitim @SueAnnan All systems go #eltchat |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T20:01:50 | @Marisa_C @SueAnnan Fire away! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T20:02:14 | Shall we start with some definitions? What do you understand abt each term - begin with "accuracy' ? #eltchat |
| KateLloyd05 | 2014-05-28T20:02:31 | Evening all #eltchat |
| naomishema | 2014-05-28T20:02:49 | Using the right tense and syntax? #eltchat |
| SueAnnan | 2014-05-28T20:02:56 | #ELTchat making sure that the new language is 'correct' ly used =accuracy |
| LizziePinard | 2014-05-28T20:03:02 | #eltchat hi all |
| KateLloyd05 | 2014-05-28T20:03:18 | @Marisa_C correct grammar and vocab use? #eltchat |
| mary28sou | 2014-05-28T20:03:40 | The suggester was me, I am here now. #eltchat |
| LizziePinard | 2014-05-28T20:03:53 | RT @naomishema: Using the right tense and syntax? #eltchat < and collocations |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T20:04:07 | @KateLloyd05 @SueAnnan @naomishema Only "using" ? What about "recognising" ? #eltchat |
| naomishema | 2014-05-28T20:04:45 | @Marisa_C @KateLloyd05 @SueAnnan Recognizing is less useful and harder to check, isn't it? #eltchat |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T20:04:47 | @Marisa_C @KateLloyd05 @SueAnnan @naomishema Producing, recognising and using #eltchat |
| SueAnnan | 2014-05-28T20:04:53 | #ELTchat isn't recognising included when able to use? |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T20:04:53 | @mary28sou oh great to know thanks mary #eltchat |
| HanaTicha | 2014-05-28T20:05:00 | Understanding and producing language close to the native-like level of proficiency? #eltchat |
| LizziePinard | 2014-05-28T20:05:35 | #eltchat and are we taking into consideration ELF usage etc.? |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T20:05:48 | @SueAnnan possibly - but best be clear as implications for teaching may end up including only USE activities and no LA #eltchat |
| LizziePinard | 2014-05-28T20:06:00 | RT @Marisa_C: @SueAnnan possibly - but best be clear as implications for teaching may end up including only USE activities and no LA #eltch… |
| juanigncastro | 2014-05-28T20:06:18 | #recomiendo http://t.co/rTcnHpLH88 d @SeanVanbille con montones de #actividades d #listening lots of #activities #elt #esl #eltchat #english |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T20:06:24 | @SueAnnan Could one use without recognition for eg without knowing why #eltchat |
| LizziePinard | 2014-05-28T20:06:32 | RT @angelos_bollas: @Marisa_C @KateLloyd05 W/ accuracy do we mean correct language in general or a particular issue each time? #eltchat |
| KateLloyd05 | 2014-05-28T20:06:33 | @LizziePinard yes I wonder if native like is our aim? #eltchat |
| SueAnnan | 2014-05-28T20:07:01 | @Marisa_C #ELTchat I suppose then you could be looking at fluency to the detriment of accuracy |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T20:07:03 | RT @KateLloyd05: @LizziePinard yes I wonder if native like is our aim? #eltchat > good point |
| LizziePinard | 2014-05-28T20:07:05 | @KateLloyd05 #eltchat context-dependent? learner goals-dependent? mixture of things |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T20:07:34 | @KateLloyd05 @LizziePinard Well yes in a way. Not standing out for poor accuracy #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T20:08:05 | For me the definition of accuracy can be problematic - most ppl think only grammar/syntax/inflections/concord #eltchat |
| KateLloyd05 | 2014-05-28T20:08:23 | @LizziePinard yes, does depend on student aim #eltchat |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T20:09:03 | @ChristineMulla We're chatting abt Accuracy and Fluency, fancy joining us #eltchat |
| mary28sou | 2014-05-28T20:09:07 | concord?#eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T20:09:11 | accurate should also include a host of other things - pron/intonation/tenor/social use etc #eltchat |
| eilymurphy | 2014-05-28T20:09:19 | @HadaLitim @KateLloyd05 @LizziePinard accuracy for me means good syntax/enough vocab to choose from, no directtranslation from L1 #eltchat |
| SueAnnan | 2014-05-28T20:09:27 | Communicative ability would show whether accuracy is missing #eltchat |
| SueAnnan | 2014-05-28T20:09:41 | RT @Marisa_C: accurate should also include a host of other things - pron/intonation/tenor/social use etc #eltchat |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T20:09:48 | @Marisa_C register too #eltchat |
| HanaTicha | 2014-05-28T20:09:57 | @Marisa_C Yes, maybe it's more about reacting promptly and expressing ideas clearly in communication #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T20:10:07 | @HadaLitim register=tenor :-) #eltchat |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T20:10:07 | RT @Marisa_C: accurate should also include a host of other things - pron/intonation/tenor/social use etc #eltchat |
| LizziePinard | 2014-05-28T20:10:30 | #eltchat definition *is* important - or could argue that learners could be very communicatively competent but not accurate |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T20:10:32 | @Marisa_C Yes )) #eltchat |
| eilymurphy | 2014-05-28T20:10:49 | RT @LizziePinard: #eltchat definition *is* important - or could argue that learners could be very communicatively competent but not accurate |
| naomishema | 2014-05-28T20:10:55 | @HanaTicha @Marisa_C But isn't that fluency? You can be clear using the wrong tense & syntax, I've seen it! #eltchat |
| theteacherjames | 2014-05-28T20:11:17 | Ah, the old fluency / accuracy balancing act. Not sure I’ll ever really resolve this! #ELTchat |
| joannacre | 2014-05-28T20:11:20 | @SueAnnan yes, but u can still communicate even when inaccurate #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas | 2014-05-28T20:11:28 | RT @naomishema: @HanaTicha @Marisa_C But isn't that fluency?You can be clear using the wrong tense & syntax, I've seen it! #eltchat > me too |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T20:11:35 | @naomishema @HanaTicha @Marisa_C That's true! #eltchat |
| mary28sou | 2014-05-28T20:11:35 | So students are expected to be correct in every area of language learning? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T20:11:37 | by contrast we call sb fluent when? @LizziePinard mentioned communicative efficiency - anthing else? #eltchat |
| SueAnnan | 2014-05-28T20:12:05 | @joannacre absolutely. #eltchat |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T20:12:23 | RT @Marisa_C: by contrast we call sb fluent when? @LizziePinard mentioned communicative efficiency - anthing else? #eltchat |
| HanaTicha | 2014-05-28T20:12:23 | @naomishema @Marisa_C True. Both are interwoven. #eltchat |
| anasainzc | 2014-05-28T20:12:29 | And in cases where the accuracy is the problem what kind of solutions would you suggest? How do you encourage students? #eltchat |
| LizziePinard | 2014-05-28T20:12:37 | #eltchat isn't fluency (at basic level) to do with where and why you pause, and how often? |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T20:12:39 | @mary28sou no we're just defining our terms - how we intepret accuracy to do with level etc #eltchat |
| SueAnnan | 2014-05-28T20:13:24 | can the two really be separated? Real competence comes from both IMHO #ELTchat |
| eilymurphy | 2014-05-28T20:13:33 | @Marisa_C @LizziePinard S may use 3 (incorrect) words/tenses instead of 1 correct word/tense to communicate but message gets thru #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T20:13:34 | @LizziePinard fluency is connected to all aspects of production but also with speed and ease of production - lack or stumbling etc #eltchat |
| naomishema | 2014-05-28T20:13:46 | The way I know fluency is that you can express yourself clearly and relevantly even though you make mistakes in "accuracy" #eltchat |
| KateLloyd05 | 2014-05-28T20:13:48 | @Marisa_C @LizziePinard communicating with appropriate pauses #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T20:13:50 | RT @SueAnnan: can the two really be separated? Real competence comes from both IMHO #ELTchat |
| HanaTicha | 2014-05-28T20:13:51 | I'd say we usually measure accuracy against the native-like model - whether we like it or not #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T20:14:03 | RT @KateLloyd05: @Marisa_C @LizziePinard communicating with appropriate pauses #eltchat > true |
| joannacre | 2014-05-28T20:14:05 | RT @SueAnnan: can the two really be separated? Real competence comes from both IMHO #ELTchat |
| LizziePinard | 2014-05-28T20:14:43 | @HanaTicha #eltchat unless consciously following ELF grammar |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T20:14:45 | @Marisa_C @LizziePinard And coherent utterances? WOuld that include both Fluency & Accuracy #eltchat |
| mary28sou | 2014-05-28T20:14:58 | One feature of fluency is not struggling for words to express oneself. #eltchat |
| LizziePinard | 2014-05-28T20:15:03 | @Marisa_C @KateLloyd05 #eltchat isn't that pretty much what I said? |
| angelos_bollas | 2014-05-28T20:15:12 | @HanaTicha This calls for definitions of “native-like models”. Who says that all natives use/recognise language accurately? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T20:15:22 | RT @mary28sou: One feature of fluency is not struggling for words to express oneself. #eltchat > yes |
| SueAnnan | 2014-05-28T20:15:32 | I have students who produce accurate language but are in no way fluent #ELTchat Others who communicate and butcher the language :-) |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T20:16:02 | @LizziePinard @KateLloyd05 was it? My humblest apologies #eltchat |
| joannacre | 2014-05-28T20:16:20 | @naomishema yeap and avoid com/tion breakdown no matter what #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas | 2014-05-28T20:16:21 | Aren’t both terms connected to each lesson’s objectives? #eltchat |
| SerraRoseli | 2014-05-28T20:16:24 | RT @Marisa_C: accurate should also include a host of other things - pron/intonation/tenor/social use etc #eltchat |
| HanaTicha | 2014-05-28T20:16:25 | @LizziePinard True. I feel we still stick to the former though. Here where I teach. But times are changing #eltchat |
| LizziePinard | 2014-05-28T20:16:28 | @Marisa_C @KateLloyd05 #eltchat probs my bad for not being clear. |
| naomishema | 2014-05-28T20:16:30 | RT @SueAnnan:ss produce accurate language but are in no way fluent #ELTchat Others who communicate and butcher the language :-) EXACTLY |
| SerraRoseli | 2014-05-28T20:16:32 | RT @SueAnnan: Communicative ability would show whether accuracy is missing #eltchat |
| mary28sou | 2014-05-28T20:16:33 | Is it bad to plan a lesson with 'fluency' and 'accuracy' activities? Passé? #eltchat |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T20:16:38 | @SueAnnan Me too! And which ones do you find most intelligible? #eltchat |
| KateLloyd05 | 2014-05-28T20:17:11 | @LizziePinard @Marisa_C yes, think you posted while I was writing mine #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T20:17:24 | @mary28sou not not really passe - but we need to talk bout how one feeds into the other - if it does at all #eltchat |
| HanaTicha | 2014-05-28T20:17:36 | @angelos_bollas Ok so it's a native-like model altered and adjusted by coursebook writers :-) #eltchat |
| SueAnnan | 2014-05-28T20:17:38 | @HadaLitim IT depends on the day, Hada . and the language under discussion #eltchat |
| naomishema | 2014-05-28T20:17:58 | In national speaking exams the grade is divided half fluency half accuracy.#eltchat |
| SueAnnan | 2014-05-28T20:18:06 | RT @naomishema: In national speaking exams the grade is divided half fluency half accuracy.#eltchat |
| joannacre | 2014-05-28T20:18:15 | @HadaLitim @SueAnnan I'd say fluent but u still end up correcting them : ) #eltchat |
| LizziePinard | 2014-05-28T20:18:39 | #eltchat need to be careful though, with accuracy, not to judge speaking by writing standards since we don't speak in the way we write |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T20:18:39 | @skrashen claims that you get your fluency and your accuracy from comprehensible input - any thought? #eltchat |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T20:18:49 | @SueAnnan Yes I would agree, but more enjoyable when they have fluency I think unless OCD abt accuracy #eltchat |
| nathanghall | 2014-05-28T20:18:57 | EAP Dogme-style: A conference in Denmark just before lunch http://t.co/iMeFdu2drU --> Great idea from @EmmaVictoriaLay #eltchat #eap |
| angelos_bollas | 2014-05-28T20:19:07 | @HanaTicha I think it is widely accepted as correct language use, considering that non natives outnumber natives #eltchat |
| eilymurphy | 2014-05-28T20:19:13 | RT @HadaLitim: @SueAnnan Yes I would agree, but more enjoyable when they have fluency I think unless OCD abt accuracy #eltchat |
| HanaTicha | 2014-05-28T20:19:23 | @Marisa_C Agree but output needed as well = plenty of speaking practice #eltchat |
| mary28sou | 2014-05-28T20:19:23 | Dovetailed like reading a passage (fluency) then pulling out certain structures and analyzing?#eltchat |
| KateLloyd05 | 2014-05-28T20:19:24 | @naomishema accuracy is often called 'language' in speaking exams now inc. range #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T20:19:46 | RT @HanaTicha: @Marisa_C Agree but output needed as well = plenty of speaking practice #eltchat |
| naomishema | 2014-05-28T20:20:01 | @LizziePinard Not writing standards. Speaking standards. If the ss build sentences like mother tongue than accuracy is not good.. #eltchat |
| joannacre | 2014-05-28T20:20:09 | @HanaTicha @angelos_bollas and then there is the whole BE and AmE issue re native like speech #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T20:21:05 | @HanaTicha So back to the interactionist theories - u can't be a good cyclist unless u get on ur bike and pedal -right? #eltchat |
| KateLloyd05 | 2014-05-28T20:21:23 | @LizziePinard YES big issue teachers giving feedback like 'u don't use enough complex ss. when u talk. Don't think they nec. shud #eltchat |
| LizziePinard | 2014-05-28T20:21:35 | RT @KateLloyd05: @LizziePinard YES big issue teachers giving feedback like 'u don't use enough complex ss. when u talk. Don't think they ne… |
| eilymurphy | 2014-05-28T20:21:35 | @naomishema @LizziePinard more fluent Ss tend to use direct translation as backbone to speaking #eltchat |
| naomishema | 2014-05-28T20:21:57 | RT @KateLloyd05: @LizziePinard YES big issue teachers giving feedback like 'u don't use enough complex ss. when u talk. Don't think they ne… |
| SueAnnan | 2014-05-28T20:22:03 | I like to encourage fluency, with accuracy only necessary if required by st needs, or inhibiting conversation #eltchat |
| naomishema | 2014-05-28T20:22:16 | RT @SueAnnan: I like to encourage fluency, with accuracy only necessary if required by st needs, or inhibiting conversation #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T20:22:25 | @HanaTicha but good cyclists also train up do other exercises etc #eltchat does that have any bearing on the balance of activities? #eltchat |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T20:22:45 | @KateLloyd05 @LizziePinard Doesn't it depend on the aim of the activity. The T may point at the Lang in an accuracy task #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T20:23:04 | @SueAnnan and how do u deal with accuracy work when the need arises ? #eltchat |
| dbai1968 | 2014-05-28T20:23:05 | RT @SueAnnan: I like to encourage fluency, with accuracy only necessary if required by st needs, or inhibiting conversation #eltchat |
| HanaTicha | 2014-05-28T20:23:15 | @joannacre No matter what English (BE v. Am) - one should be understood but not necessarily by everyone - depends on the needs #eltchat |
| eilymurphy | 2014-05-28T20:23:20 | @SueAnnan "inhibiting" = good word, think confidence and fear of mistakes has a big role to play #eltchat |
| SueAnnan | 2014-05-28T20:23:59 | @Marisa_C as and when Marisa. I don't ignore it- but it isn't at the forefront of the lesson #eltchat |
| KateLloyd05 | 2014-05-28T20:24:06 | @LizziePinard meant that we don't use complex ss. in speaking the same way we do in writing #eltchat |
| joannacre | 2014-05-28T20:24:22 | would u say that for speaking focus is on fluency and when writing focus on accuracy? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T20:24:23 | for you to consider - purposes/aims of accuracy vs fluency activs http://t.co/Li9IwwjS7B #eltchat |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T20:24:34 | RT @Marisa_C: for you to consider - purposes/aims of accuracy vs fluency activs http://t.co/Li9IwwjS7B #eltchat |
| mary28sou | 2014-05-28T20:25:01 | @Marisa_C are you thinking about the prep exercises we do to get ready for a speaking activity?#eltchat |
| LizziePinard | 2014-05-28T20:25:14 | #eltchat …so maybe accuracy for lang practice activities and fluency/other focus for activities to develop speaking |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T20:25:35 | @joannacre good distinction - writing less real time dependent - more time to edit self-correct etc #eltchat - |
| eilymurphy | 2014-05-28T20:25:49 | RT @LizziePinard: #eltchat …so maybe accuracy for lang practice activities and fluency/other focus for activities to develop speaking |
| LizziePinard | 2014-05-28T20:25:55 | "Also depends if an activity to develop spking or speaking activity to practice using a particular structure" -lost hashtag b4 #eltchat |
| naomishema | 2014-05-28T20:25:55 | @joannacre We are told to grade essays by checking them once 4 accuracy & once 4 fluency. Can they build their case in writing. #eltchat |
| HanaTicha | 2014-05-28T20:25:58 | @Marisa_C Yes, what we need to be able to communicate is muscles after all so it's about the techniques we need to train as well #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T20:26:51 | Can't recall the research but evidence that accuracy focus = PPP less successful in long run thatn fluency focus = TBL #eltchat |
| eilymurphy | 2014-05-28T20:26:52 | @LizziePinard accuracy for practical info exchange, fluency for exchange of ideas/opinions #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas | 2014-05-28T20:26:57 | @LizziePinard That’s what we learn for CELTA. Aim for accuracy during controlled practice and for fluency during freer production. #eltchat |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T20:27:08 | RT @Marisa_C: Can't recall the research but evidence that accuracy focus = PPP less successful in long run thatn fluency focus = TBL #eltch… |
| SueAnnan | 2014-05-28T20:27:22 | RT @Marisa_C: Can't recall the research but evidence that accuracy focus = PPP less successful in long run thatn fluency focus = TBL #eltch… |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T20:28:11 | And TBL does not exclude a focus on accuracy but not the main menu #eltchat |
| naomishema | 2014-05-28T20:28:29 | RT @eilymurphy: @LizziePinard accuracy for practical info exchange, fluency for exchange of ideas/opinions #eltchat |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T20:28:39 | Ts also need to be sensitive to what the Std is expressing. Correcting a std during a meaningful utterance can really put thm off #eltchat |
| SueAnnan | 2014-05-28T20:28:50 | @Marisa_C my feelings exactly :-)#eltchat |
| LizziePinard | 2014-05-28T20:29:01 | #eltchat I think noticing is v important - ss need to be helped to become better noticers so that they can identify and bridge gaps on own |
| LizziePinard | 2014-05-28T20:29:17 | RT @Marisa_C: And TBL does not exclude a focus on accuracy but not the main menu #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T20:29:17 | @HanaTicha Absolutely - we re merely chewing the fat here - can't say conclusively this or that.. :-) #eltchat |
| naomishema | 2014-05-28T20:29:44 | Also ss complain about bad teachers if their spoken mistakes are never commented on. #eltchat |
| SueAnnan | 2014-05-28T20:29:44 | @LizziePinard I like to let students self/peer correct if they can #eltchat |
| naomishema | 2014-05-28T20:29:54 | RT @SueAnnan: @LizziePinard I like to let students self/peer correct if they can #eltchat |
| LizziePinard | 2014-05-28T20:30:00 | RT @naomishema: Also ss complain about bad teachers if their spoken mistakes are never commented on. #eltchat |
| HanaTicha | 2014-05-28T20:30:07 | @HadaLitim Also each student is different - some don't want to be corrected at all while others love correction and ask for it #eltchat |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T20:30:08 | @LizziePinard This ties with devlping Listening skills and recording themselves helps them focus on their own accuracy #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T20:30:25 | @LizziePinard noticing and working it out major in L2 acquisition (and L1) yes #eltchat but rehearsal and automatization also key |
| eilymurphy | 2014-05-28T20:30:29 | @naomishema tempting as it is, forgetting accuracy completely can lead to fossilization #eltchat |
| LizziePinard | 2014-05-28T20:30:44 | RT @Marisa_C: @LizziePinard noticing and working it out major in L2 acquisition (and L1) yes #eltchat but rehearsal and automatization also… |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T20:31:02 | @HanaTicha Exactly! But when they understand the diff betwn an accuracy and a fluency task they get better at accepting correction #eltchat |
| HanaTicha | 2014-05-28T20:31:04 | @eilymurphy @naomishema Agree, especially in monolingual (L1) classes #eltchat |
| joannacre | 2014-05-28T20:31:19 | @naomishema inac. in speak can be overlooked coz u have paraling. feat to work with. In writing? too much incur makes it too much #eltchat |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T20:31:22 | RT @HanaTicha: @HadaLitim Also each student is different - some don't want to be corrected at all while others love correction and ask for … |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T20:31:40 | RT @Marisa_C: @LizziePinard noticing and working it out major in L2 acquisition (and L1) yes #eltchat but rehearsal and automatization also… |
| eilymurphy | 2014-05-28T20:32:02 | @HanaTicha @HadaLitim context based - sales mangers want fluency, engineers need accuracy #eltchat |
| SueAnnan | 2014-05-28T20:32:15 | @joannacre @naomishema the lang competence required for writing is different. accuracy becomes more important #eltchat |
| joannacre | 2014-05-28T20:32:20 | RT @HanaTicha: @HadaLitim Also each student is different - some don't want to be corrected at all while others love correction and ask for … |
| LizziePinard | 2014-05-28T20:32:22 | @Marisa_C #eltchat have noticed with my Italian learning, am much more able to automatise what I have noticed as more memorable |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T20:32:23 | Another major difference might be that accuracy can involve bits of lang whereas fluency connected discourse in use/context #eltchat |
| HanaTicha | 2014-05-28T20:32:34 | RT @eilymurphy: @HanaTicha @HadaLitim context based - sales mangers want fluency, engineers need accuracy #eltchat > interesting |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T20:32:37 | @eilymurphy @HanaTicha That's interesting! Neverthought about that #eltchat |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T20:32:46 | RT @eilymurphy: @HanaTicha @HadaLitim context based - sales mangers want fluency, engineers need accuracy #eltchat |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T20:33:15 | RT @Marisa_C: Another major difference might be that accuracy can involve bits of lang whereas fluency connected discourse in use/context #… |
| LizziePinard | 2014-05-28T20:33:15 | RT @Marisa_C: Another major difference might be that accuracy can involve bits of lang whereas fluency connected discourse in use/context #… |
| naomishema | 2014-05-28T20:33:15 | @LizziePinard @Marisa_C That's why swear words are learned so easily! LOL! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T20:33:20 | @HanaTicha @eilymurphy @HadaLitim true - not all Ss need fluency #eltchat but not our focus this #eltchat |
| joannacre | 2014-05-28T20:33:25 | @HanaTicha @eilymurphy @naomishema age of lrn is also important I think and willingness to take risks with lang. #eltchat |
| mary28sou | 2014-05-28T20:34:10 | practical level, Ive started using Audacity, edit in-class recordings of Ss, then email, get them to hear their mistakes, v useful. #eltchat |
| HanaTicha | 2014-05-28T20:34:19 | @joannacre @eilymurphy @naomishema I was just about to write this :-) #eltchat Yes, age matters a lot! And teacher's age too sometimes :-)) |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T20:34:20 | One major predictor of accuracy and fluency is good listening skills - do u connect this with your work? #eltchat |
| naomishema | 2014-05-28T20:34:21 | RT @mary28sou: practical level, Ive started using Audacity, edit in-class recordings of Ss, then email, get them to hear their mistakes, v … |
| LizziePinard | 2014-05-28T20:34:23 | @naomishema @Marisa_C #eltchat so how to get ss to notice lang generally like they notice swear words ;-) w/writing, spellcheck is handy../1 |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T20:34:53 | @Marisa_C Totally! #eltchat |
| LizziePinard | 2014-05-28T20:34:57 | @naomishema @Marisa_C ..handy cos it underlines things and makes you think about them (not the autocorrect) #eltchat |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T20:35:04 | RT @Marisa_C: One major predictor of accuracy and fluency is good listening skills - do u connect this with your work? #eltchat |
| naomishema | 2014-05-28T20:35:13 | @LizziePinard @Marisa_C I try to make lang memorable with film clips but that is a whole other ball game... #eltchat |
| mary28sou | 2014-05-28T20:35:17 | Good listening skills can be augmented by teaching good pronunciation. #eltchat |
| SueAnnan | 2014-05-28T20:35:20 | @Marisa_C yes. sts who are fluent but don't listen never seem to improve accuracy #eltchat |
| LizziePinard | 2014-05-28T20:35:24 | RT @mary28sou: practical level, Ive started using Audacity, edit in-class recordings of Ss, then email, get them to hear their mistakes, v … |
| naomishema | 2014-05-28T20:35:44 | RT @SueAnnan: @Marisa_C yes. sts who are fluent but don't listen never seem to improve accuracy #eltchat > sad but true! |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T20:35:49 | RT @mary28sou: Good listening skills can be augmented by teaching good pronunciation. #eltchat > ABSolutely!! |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T20:35:50 | RT @SueAnnan: @Marisa_C yes. sts who are fluent but don't listen never seem to improve accuracy #eltchat |
| HanaTicha | 2014-05-28T20:36:07 | @SueAnnan @Marisa_C This brings us back to Krashen's input theory #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T20:36:25 | RT @HanaTicha: @SueAnnan @Marisa_C This brings us back to Krashen's input theory #eltchat > does - doesn't it... |
| LizziePinard | 2014-05-28T20:36:30 | @mary28sou #eltchat yes teaching pronunciation for receptive purposes not just productive v useful |
| SueAnnan | 2014-05-28T20:36:31 | RT @HanaTicha: @SueAnnan @Marisa_C This brings us back to Krashen's input theory #eltchat |
| clerotto | 2014-05-28T20:36:51 | RT @mary28sou: practical level, Ive started using Audacity, edit in-class recordings of Ss, then email, get them to hear their mistakes, v … |
| SueAnnan | 2014-05-28T20:37:03 | @LizziePinard @mary28sou in many ways it is more important. #eltchat |
| joannacre | 2014-05-28T20:37:08 | @SueAnnan @Marisa_C or look at the board may I add : ) #eltchat |
| ChristineMulla | 2014-05-28T20:37:14 | Sugar! Went clean out of my head again. Thanks @HadaLitim #eltchat |
| LizziePinard | 2014-05-28T20:37:15 | RT @SueAnnan: @LizziePinard @mary28sou in many ways it is more important. #eltchat |
| HanaTicha | 2014-05-28T20:37:27 | @SueAnnan @Marisa_C The same with reading. But ss' attention needs to be drawn to language if we want them to be more accurate #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T20:37:30 | @HanaTicha Only unrealistic thing is the prerequisite of 'compelling' in an L2 class situ #eltchat |
| LizziePinard | 2014-05-28T20:37:38 | @SueAnnan @mary28sou #eltchat agree - it is more important |
| naomishema | 2014-05-28T20:37:46 | RT @HanaTicha: @SueAnnan @Marisa_C The same with reading. But ss' attention needs to be drawn to language if we want them to be more accura… |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T20:37:53 | @Marisa_C @mary28sou segmenting utterances really helps Ss recognise the stressed & unstressed words and th way they bind togethr #eltchat |
| theteacherjames | 2014-05-28T20:38:18 | @mary28sou I’ve done something similar but they use their phones to record themselves & listen back. #ELTchat |
| LizziePinard | 2014-05-28T20:38:27 | @HanaTicha @SueAnnan @Marisa_C …"attention..drawn to lang" - back to noticing :-) #eltchat |
| ChristineMulla | 2014-05-28T20:38:35 | I find accuracy difficult to get a grip on. Ss are fluent, I do feedback. Some pick up, some don't. Think I need to vary focus #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T20:38:39 | So the way our discussion is developing - we seem to agree that receptive skills & noticing - LA work major in developing A & F #eltchat |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T20:38:43 | @ChristineMulla Glad you saw my message still got a bit of time )) #eltchat |
| SueAnnan | 2014-05-28T20:38:46 | @HanaTicha @Marisa_C @naomishema I like the demand high techniques for making language memorable #eltchat |
| HanaTicha | 2014-05-28T20:38:55 | @LizziePinard @SueAnnan @Marisa_C I must have missed the part on noticing :) #eltchat |
| LizziePinard | 2014-05-28T20:39:10 | RT @Marisa_C: So the way our discussion is developing - we seem to agree that receptive skills & noticing - LA work major in developing A &… |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T20:39:25 | @HanaTicha @LizziePinard @SueAnnan WHHAT? You mean you didn't notice!!!! #eltchat :-D |
| HanaTicha | 2014-05-28T20:39:33 | @SueAnnan @Marisa_C @naomishema I like the demand high approach in general. #eltchat |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T20:39:45 | @Marisa_C @HanaTicha @LizziePinard @SueAnnan Hahahah! #eltchat |
| naomishema | 2014-05-28T20:39:46 | @SueAnnan @HanaTicha @Marisa_C Oh dear, can't recall them at this hour... #eltchat |
| mary28sou | 2014-05-28T20:39:48 | @theteacherjames I really like your idea #eltchat |
| SueAnnan | 2014-05-28T20:39:56 | @HanaTicha @Marisa_C @naomishema me too #eltchat |
| ChristineMulla | 2014-05-28T20:40:01 | I find some really fluent with no idea their inaccuracies lead to miscommunication or breakdown #eltchat |
| HanaTicha | 2014-05-28T20:40:35 | @Marisa_C @LizziePinard @SueAnnan If #eltchat becomes too fluent I become less accurate :-) |
| ChristineMulla | 2014-05-28T20:40:36 | @mary28sou How do you record them in class? Do they do it themselves and send to you? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T20:40:41 | @ChristineMulla Good ppoint abt fluent users being somewhat overconfident smstims #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas | 2014-05-28T20:40:45 | @theteacherjames @mary28sou I’ve been doing this, too! It really works on both A & F. #eltchat |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T20:40:52 | @HanaTicha @SueAnnan @Marisa_C @naomishema Me too and think that it's common sense #eltchat |
| LizziePinard | 2014-05-28T20:40:57 | #eltchat my take on ss recording selves/comparing etc http://t.co/fYoBVpRs5N |
| KateLloyd05 | 2014-05-28T20:41:16 | @SueAnnan @HanaTicha @Marisa_C @naomishema has the book got more ideas on use, only seen ones on lecture vids. #eltchat |
| eilymurphy | 2014-05-28T20:41:29 | @Marisa_C @ChristineMulla or accurate Ss lacking confidence #eltchat |
| ChristineMulla | 2014-05-28T20:41:31 | @theteacherjames @mary28sou As have I. Also got them to listen to each others recordings. #eltchat |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T20:41:56 | @Marisa_C @ChristineMulla SOmetimes overconfident or sometimes not worried about accuracy in their L1 either #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T20:42:05 | One of the probs in many classes is that Ts get bogged down with nitty gritty work at the expense of allowing time for F activs #eltchat |
| eilymurphy | 2014-05-28T20:42:13 | RT @HadaLitim: @Marisa_C @ChristineMulla SOmetimes overconfident or sometimes not worried about accuracy in their L1 either #eltchat |
| mary28sou | 2014-05-28T20:42:20 | @ChristineMulla I have a little mp3 recorder, record Ss 2-3 mins, edit at home and I send to Ss by email (I have small grps)#eltchat |
| joannacre | 2014-05-28T20:42:22 | @HanaTicha @Marisa_C @LizziePinard @SueAnnan haha good point I double that: ) #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T20:42:30 | RT @eilymurphy: @Marisa_C @ChristineMulla or accurate Ss lacking confidence #eltchat . also true |
| SueAnnan | 2014-05-28T20:42:34 | @Marisa_C define nitty=gritty #eltchat |
| ChristineMulla | 2014-05-28T20:42:41 | @HadaLitim @Marisa_C Oh yes, good point, that would have an effect. Maybe don't notice inaccuracy in L1. #eltchat |
| LizziePinard | 2014-05-28T20:43:10 | Re getting timing right in lessons (from @jonathaningham ) http://t.co/flyVhPPu5r… #eltchat |
| HanaTicha | 2014-05-28T20:43:13 | @Marisa_C @eilymurphy @ChristineMulla ..and this brings us back to the need of balance in accuracy vs. fluency #eltchat |
| naomishema | 2014-05-28T20:43:20 | Problem is students feel secure with accuracy work, like we discussed in prev. chats- why ss want grammar lessons! #eltchat |
| eilymurphy | 2014-05-28T20:43:32 | @HadaLitim @Marisa_C @ChristineMulla it's often a question of personality, values #eltchat |
| KateLloyd05 | 2014-05-28T20:43:36 | @Marisa_C so much packing in to textbooks these days #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T20:43:38 | Nitty-gritty =meaningless procedural activities - gap fills and that - unmemorable book stuff #eltchat |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T20:43:39 | @HanaTicha @Marisa_C @eilymurphy @ChristineMulla So what's a good balance? #eltchat |
| LizziePinard | 2014-05-28T20:43:55 | RT @KateLloyd05: @Marisa_C so much packing in to textbooks these days #eltchat |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T20:43:58 | @eilymurphy @Marisa_C @ChristineMulla and affective filters #eltchat |
| dimodeca | 2014-05-28T20:44:13 | Good evening! Great chat tonight at #eltchat. Pity I'm late...:( |
| ChristineMulla | 2014-05-28T20:44:16 | RT @HadaLitim: @HanaTicha @Marisa_C @eilymurphy @ChristineMulla So what's a good balance? #eltchat |
| SueAnnan | 2014-05-28T20:44:17 | @naomishema sometimes it's the teacher who feels more secure- F- can be unexpected, uncomf. #eltchat |
| KateLloyd05 | 2014-05-28T20:44:31 | @naomishema boring tho isn't it ;0) #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T20:44:43 | @naomishema very true Naomi - knowing about the language high importance in Ss; priorities #eltchat |
| mary28sou | 2014-05-28T20:44:44 | Maybe the balance we're seeking is in alternating A days and F days?#eltchat |
| LizziePinard | 2014-05-28T20:44:52 | #eltchat maybe dogma is the way forward ;-) |
| eilymurphy | 2014-05-28T20:44:53 | @HadaLitim @HanaTicha @Marisa_C @ChristineMulla is balnce changing 2day, in favor of fluency -Globish, etc,see our tweets for proof #eltchat |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T20:44:54 | @dimodeca Good evening Annabel #eltchat |
| HanaTicha | 2014-05-28T20:45:02 | @HadaLitim @Marisa_C @eilymurphy @ChristineMulla We should keep in mind that we deal with diff personalities and offer variety #eltchat |
| LizziePinard | 2014-05-28T20:45:10 | #eltchat *dogme sorry! typo... |
| ChristineMulla | 2014-05-28T20:45:14 | @HadaLitim @HanaTicha @Marisa_C @eilymurphy Have read/been thinking about 'an accuracy hour' or half an hour. Pure accuracy focus? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T20:45:26 | RT @LizziePinard: #eltchat maybe dogma is the way forward ;-) > could well be if ppl not pressured by syllabuses |
| KateLloyd05 | 2014-05-28T20:45:32 | @mary28sou can/should they be separated? #eltchat |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T20:45:45 | @eilymurphy @HanaTicha @Marisa_C @ChristineMulla Probably - took over grammar translation. Is that a good thing? #eltchat |
| naomishema | 2014-05-28T20:45:49 | RT @SueAnnan: @naomishema sometimes it's the teacher who feels more secure- F- can be unexpected, uncomf. #eltchat |
| HanaTicha | 2014-05-28T20:45:51 | @ChristineMulla @HadaLitim @Marisa_C @eilymurphy I wouldn't divide them this way. Blending seems better to me #eltchat |
| ChristineMulla | 2014-05-28T20:46:05 | @eilymurphy @HadaLitim @HanaTicha @Marisa_C Context dictates I think; though yes to some extent. Still nb for exams though. #eltchat |
| KateLloyd05 | 2014-05-28T20:46:05 | @Marisa_C @LizziePinard and exams #eltchat |
| eilymurphy | 2014-05-28T20:46:07 | @naomishema in Business Eng I tend to have opposite pb, quick comm preferred to acc #eltchat |
| SueAnnan | 2014-05-28T20:46:19 | Doesn't it all boil down to reason for learning? #eltchat |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T20:46:29 | @HanaTicha @Marisa_C @eilymurphy @ChristineMulla Yes, but in large groups, and short courses, what toprioritise on? #eltchat |
| HanaTicha | 2014-05-28T20:46:37 | @HadaLitim @eilymurphy @Marisa_C @ChristineMulla I believe translation has some place in ELT #eltchat |
| LizziePinard | 2014-05-28T20:46:39 | RT @Marisa_C: RT ..could well be if ppl not pressured by syllabuses >> which is the most common! #eltchat |
| joannacre | 2014-05-28T20:46:43 | @eilymurphy @HadaLitim @HanaTicha @Marisa_C @ChristineMulla I'd say it depends on y u need English as well #eltchat |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T20:47:05 | @SueAnnan Yes and/or the stage of the learning experience? #eltchat |
| mary28sou | 2014-05-28T20:47:26 | can't remember, how do they teach grammar in dogme? #eltchat |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T20:47:37 | @HanaTicha @eilymurphy @Marisa_C @ChristineMulla Agreed! #eltchat |
| KateLloyd05 | 2014-05-28T20:48:03 | @mary28sou emergent language #eltchat |
| HanaTicha | 2014-05-28T20:48:04 | @mary28sou As it emerges in the lesson #eltchat |
| dimodeca | 2014-05-28T20:48:06 | @ChristineMulla Yes. They are not aware of mistakes. In those cases I encourage them to do more writing. #eltchat |
| joannacre | 2014-05-28T20:48:18 | @eilymurphy @naomishema yeap esp cause lots of commun happens between ppl who use English as their L2 #eltchat |
| eilymurphy | 2014-05-28T20:48:24 | RT @SueAnnan: Doesn't it all boil down to reason for learning? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T20:48:25 | We have neglected vocabulary - which IMOH is a major fluency factor - how do u activate & promote fluency in covab activs #eltchat |
| ChristineMulla | 2014-05-28T20:48:48 | @HanaTicha With all L1s or certain? I translated a lot when learning Spanish, maybe not perfect, but did well. #eltchat |
| HanaTicha | 2014-05-28T20:49:11 | @dimodeca @ChristineMulla Agree. Because writing calms them down and provides time for processing ideas #eltchat |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T20:49:26 | @Marisa_C Through chunks and collocations, lexical sets #eltchat |
| SueAnnan | 2014-05-28T20:49:32 | RT @Marisa_C: We have neglected vocabulary - which IMOH is a major fluency factor - how do u activate & promote fluency in covab activs #el… |
| designerlessons | 2014-05-28T20:49:42 | @HadaLitim I've been recording and playing back recently, having students spot their own mistakes and self correcting #eltchat |
| harrisonmike | 2014-05-28T20:49:46 | This was produced for @ESOLNexus: developing #accuracy with speaking http://t.co/xihMhBFwJ6 #eltchat |
| ChristineMulla | 2014-05-28T20:49:56 | Can I ask, do you use any specific accuracy activities to help with speaking? eg feedback on board #eltchat |
| naomishema | 2014-05-28T20:50:14 | RT @designerlessons: @HadaLitim I've been recording and playing back recently, having students spot their own mistakes and self correcting … |
| HanaTicha | 2014-05-28T20:50:34 | @ChristineMulla Well, this is probably quite difficult in multilingual L1 environment but otherwise no proble with all L1s #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T20:50:46 | @ChristineMulla good question - also how much accuracy when prepping ss for a speaking task by way of scaffolding #eltchat ?? |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T20:50:48 | @designerlessons Excellent, I do that routinely, my ss love hearing their own progress betwn beg and end of course #eltchat |
| eilymurphy | 2014-05-28T20:50:59 | @Marisa_C while syntax can be simplified forbetter F, vocab is v imp, synonyms, understanding lex, etc #eltchat |
| KateLloyd05 | 2014-05-28T20:51:17 | @ChristineMulla task repetition and planning #eltchat |
| HanaTicha | 2014-05-28T20:51:46 | @HadaLitim @designerlessons And peer correction is great for improving accuracy #eltchat and subsequently fluency |
| KateLloyd05 | 2014-05-28T20:51:51 | @ChristineMulla task, feedback then repeat task instead of scaffolding cos might not need it #eltchat |
| SueAnnan | 2014-05-28T20:51:54 | @Marisa_C @ChristineMulla Scaffolding, or supplying the necessary after eliciting , #eltchat |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T20:52:00 | RT @HanaTicha: @HadaLitim @designerlessons And peer correction is great for improving accuracy #eltchat and subsequently fluency |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T20:52:06 | RT @KateLloyd05: @ChristineMulla task, feedback then repeat task instead of scaffolding cos might not need it #eltchat |
| designerlessons | 2014-05-28T20:52:24 | RT @HadaLitim: @designerlessons Excellent, I do that routinely, my ss love hearing their own progress betwn beg and end of course #eltchat |
| LizziePinard | 2014-05-28T20:52:30 | #eltchat maybe could get diff. levels of ss to record selves talking about a given topic and then get ss comparing selves with ^levels... |
| theteacherjames | 2014-05-28T20:52:32 | @mary28sou I think it’s very effective. You can use an app like Soundcloud to make it easier to share them and leave comments #ELTchat |
| angelos_bollas | 2014-05-28T20:52:46 | @Marisa_C Providing SS w/ necessary language would help to some extend. #eltchat |
| daljitkaur2kaur | 2014-05-28T20:52:47 | RT @harrisonmike: This was produced for @ESOLNexus: developing #accuracy with speaking http://t.co/xihMhBFwJ6 #eltchat |
| designerlessons | 2014-05-28T20:52:48 | @HadaLitim that's great, definitely motivates them! #eltchat |
| clerotto | 2014-05-28T20:52:54 | RT @harrisonmike: This was produced for @ESOLNexus: developing #accuracy with speaking http://t.co/xihMhBFwJ6 #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T20:52:56 | @HanaTicha and what @KateLoye said - task repetition - often not enough time to do #eltchat |
| mary28sou | 2014-05-28T20:53:06 | Maybe getting ppl to use recently learnt vocab -> restricted speaking practice - cant snap fingers n Ss fluently produce new words #eltchat |
| LizziePinard | 2014-05-28T20:53:20 | #eltchat so that it's less "i'm never going to be able to speak like that"; smaller gap and maybe they can notice things othr ss do/don't do |
| ChristineMulla | 2014-05-28T20:53:24 | @harrisonmike @ESOLNexus Double favourite. You're a diamond @harrisonmike Just finishing an IELTS online course. This is up next! #eltchat |
| eilymurphy | 2014-05-28T20:53:39 | @Marisa_C @HanaTicha @KateLoye if not time in class, on edmodo or other between classes #eltchat |
| anasainzc | 2014-05-28T20:53:41 | RT @theteacherjames: @mary28sou I think it’s very effective. You can use an app like Soundcloud to make it easier to share them and leave c… |
| designerlessons | 2014-05-28T20:53:50 | @HanaTicha @HadaLitim definitely - there's something about hearing your own mistakes firsthand that makes the correction stick #eltchat |
| designerlessons | 2014-05-28T20:53:54 | RT @HanaTicha: @HadaLitim @designerlessons And peer correction is great for improving accuracy #eltchat and subsequently fluency |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T20:54:17 | RT @harrisonmike: This was produced for @ESOLNexus: developing #accuracy with speaking http://t.co/xihMhBFwJ6 #eltchat |
| RELOBudapest | 2014-05-28T20:54:18 | RT @ELPrograms: #TESOL releases new common core resources for teachers of English learners http://t.co/nkPhL8g0oZ #eltchat #globaled |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T20:54:19 | RT @eilymurphy: @HanaTicha @KateLoye if not time in class, on edmodo or other between classes #eltchat yes > or Voxopop or Voicethread |
| RELOBudapest | 2014-05-28T20:54:32 | RT @ELPrograms: "A teacher is one who makes himself progressively unnecessary." - Thomas Carruthers #edchat #eltchat |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T20:54:33 | RT @Marisa_C: RT @eilymurphy: @HanaTicha @KateLoye if not time in class, on edmodo or other between classes #eltchat yes > or Voxopop or … |
| harrisonmike | 2014-05-28T20:54:44 | Nice description: lesson w/great flow frm more fluency focused activities 2 accuracy focused & back again http://t.co/jRtlaR43iU #eltchat |
| HanaTicha | 2014-05-28T20:54:54 | @designerlessons @HadaLitim However, I have trouble spotting my own mistakes in writing for example. I need help #eltchat |
| harrisonmike | 2014-05-28T20:55:45 | Last link from @thesecretdos #eltchat |
| mary28sou | 2014-05-28T20:55:50 | Evernote has recording capacity, plus you can keep all yr class records together in shared notebooks #eltchat |
| naomishema | 2014-05-28T20:55:51 | @HanaTicha Proffesional writers need editors because they don't SEE their mistakes, they know what they wanted to say #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T20:56:00 | Jeezzzz - time flew by today great #eltchat |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T20:56:11 | @HanaTicha @designerlessons I agree, which is where peer correction helps and formulaic phrases and chunks #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T20:56:33 | RT @mary28sou: Evernote has recording capacity, plus you can keep all yr class records together in shared notebooks #eltchat> yes! light 2 |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T20:56:39 | RT @mary28sou: Evernote has recording capacity, plus you can keep all yr class records together in shared notebooks #eltchat |
| harrisonmike | 2014-05-28T20:56:43 | @ChristineMulla @ESOLNexus very welcome. I was involved with Nexus but that module isn't mine. I do know the author tho ;) #eltchat |
| mary28sou | 2014-05-28T20:56:44 | Cant believe I stuck with it, getting up at 5am tomorrow #eltchat well worth it |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T20:56:57 | @mary28sou i mean recordings light and easy to email to ss #eltchat |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T20:57:00 | @mary28sou Never used Evernote for recording. Thanks for the tip #eltchat |
| SueAnnan | 2014-05-28T20:57:05 | we're getting to the point where we would love someone to volunteer to write the summary, please? #eltchat |
| LizziePinard | 2014-05-28T20:57:15 | RT @naomishema: @HanaTicha Proffesional writers need editors because they don't SEE their mistakes, they know what they wanted to say #elt… |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T20:58:04 | @designerlessons @HanaTicha That all important second pair of eyes is clearly useful for all #eltchat |
| LizziePinard | 2014-05-28T20:58:15 | #eltchat i don't mind doing summary |
| HanaTicha | 2014-05-28T20:58:17 | Also knowing that what one says matters/will be heard/read helps them to improve their accuracy > blogs, presentations, journals #eltchat . |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T20:58:21 | @HadaLitim @mary28sou I use it to record bits of lessons i observe 0 it's great - also photos of class possible #eltchat |
| LizziePinard | 2014-05-28T20:58:31 | RT @Marisa_C: @HadaLitim @mary28sou I use it to record bits of lessons i observe 0 it's great - also photos of class possible #eltchat |
| LizziePinard | 2014-05-28T20:58:37 | RT @HanaTicha: Also knowing that what one says matters/will be heard/read helps them to improve their accuracy > blogs, presentations, jour… |
| LizziePinard | 2014-05-28T20:58:59 | @HanaTicha #eltchat one of the reasons I love blogs and Edmodo - the ss too, they love comparing… |
| ChristineMulla | 2014-05-28T20:59:04 | Thanks everybody for the responses. If you see this, how do you vary feedback to encourage accuracy? #eltchat |
| theteacherjames | 2014-05-28T20:59:24 | @LizziePinard Thanks Lizzie! #ELTchat cc @Marisa_C |
| HanaTicha | 2014-05-28T20:59:32 | @LizziePinard Yes, a little bit of rivalry is always to the good :-) #eltchat |
| mary28sou | 2014-05-28T20:59:40 | @Marisa_C @HadaLitim photo of whiteboard at end of lesson quick email to all Ss works great #eltchat |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T20:59:52 | RT @LizziePinard: @HanaTicha #eltchat one of the reasons I love blogs and Edmodo - the ss too, they love comparing… |
| naomishema | 2014-05-28T20:59:55 | RT @HanaTicha: @LizziePinard Yes, a little bit of rivalry is always to the good :-) #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T21:00:35 | @mary28sou yay - quite motivting too for some "Me while talking" :-) #eltchat |
| ChristineMulla | 2014-05-28T21:00:43 | @LizziePinard @HanaTicha How do you get them to compare on Edmodo? #eltchat |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T21:00:44 | @mary28sou @Marisa_C I do this on WhatsApp with all my classes! Made me improve my boardwork too )) #eltchat |
| LizziePinard | 2014-05-28T21:00:56 | @naomishema @HanaTicha #eltchat if they post their hw/anything else on it they can see what each other posts…just like a blog |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T21:01:16 | @HadaLitim @mary28sou lol haven't used that for class #eltchat must try |
| ChristineMulla | 2014-05-28T21:01:18 | Chat suggestion: using Edmodo with students #eltchat |
| LizziePinard | 2014-05-28T21:02:02 | @naomishema @HanaTicha #eltchat 4 some reason I feel Edmodo less daunting than blog for lower levels - little messages |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T21:02:06 | Thanks everyone great chat again. See you all soon - hopefully next week for our 12pm BST chat #eltchat Ciao ciao!! |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T21:02:16 | RT @ChristineMulla: Chat suggestion: using Edmodo with students #eltchat > put it up as a topic for next time - we have some real experts |
| ChristineMulla | 2014-05-28T21:02:25 | @mary28sou Never thought of this. Some self-teacher recording coming up. Thanks #eltchat |
| LizziePinard | 2014-05-28T21:02:26 | @naomishema @HanaTicha #eltchat i get them to post hw as message on group page rather than attached docs in DMs etc |
| SueAnnan | 2014-05-28T21:02:27 | @HadaLitim bye Hada #eltchat |
| KateLloyd05 | 2014-05-28T21:02:31 | @ChristineMulla second that. Love it but want to know how others use it #eltchat |
| mary28sou | 2014-05-28T21:02:33 | @SueAnnan I really would like to, but am preparing a prez and workshop side by side, v busy at the moment. Extended deadline? #eltchat |
| designerlessons | 2014-05-28T21:02:48 | RT @Marisa_C: RT @ChristineMulla: Chat suggestion: using Edmodo with students #eltchat > put it up as a topic for next time - we have some … |
| KateLloyd05 | 2014-05-28T21:02:54 | @HadaLitim goodnight #eltchat |
| naomishema | 2014-05-28T21:03:03 | @LizziePinard @HanaTicha Love edmodo but use it to stay away from competition and individualize learning. #eltchat |
| mary28sou | 2014-05-28T21:03:09 | Yes to Edmodo for next elt chat #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T21:03:17 | @SueAnnan @HadaLitim who is doing transcript pls? my tweetarchivist a total loss #eltchat |
| VCCAFC | 2014-05-28T21:03:25 | RT @harrisonmike: This was produced for @ESOLNexus: developing #accuracy with speaking http://t.co/xihMhBFwJ6 #eltchat |
| HanaTicha | 2014-05-28T21:03:35 | Night, night everyone. Bedtime here. A lovely chat. Thanks. #eltchat |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T21:03:45 | @Marisa_C @mary28sou Lol Marisa, now my ss take pics of all the boards...it was a real reality check at the beginning #eltchat |
| ChristineMulla | 2014-05-28T21:03:52 | @LizziePinard @naomishema @HanaTicha Oh OK, so do I. Do you give them a response task? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T21:03:52 | @SueAnnan @HadaLitim You Scottish angel #eltchat |
| eilymurphy | 2014-05-28T21:04:03 | RT @eilymurphy: assessof Ling/Comm competence interestingPete Rutherford, re balance/value we give to each http://t.co/UzAAVPXswK #eltchat |
| SueAnnan | 2014-05-28T21:04:07 | will have transcript very shortly #eltchat |
| naomishema | 2014-05-28T21:04:07 | Good night all! It was great chatting with you all! #eltchat |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T21:04:36 | @Marisa_C @SueAnnan Mine good so Sue let me know if urs plays up #eltchat |
| mary28sou | 2014-05-28T21:04:46 | @anasainzc @HadaLitim @Marisa_C how did you use memes sounds good wanna try it #eltchat |
| SueAnnan | 2014-05-28T21:05:00 | Good night everyone. IT was a pleasure as always to share ideas and expertise with you all #eltchat |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T21:05:10 | @dimodeca Bye Annabel see you soon )) #eltchat |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T21:05:32 | @KateLloyd05 Night Kate #eltchat |
| eilymurphy | 2014-05-28T21:05:34 | @SueAnnan Thank u Sue and Marisa #eltchat |
| LizziePinard | 2014-05-28T21:05:42 | @naomishema @HanaTicha #eltchat in fb, many of my ss said they liked being able to compare to see what others wrote etc. /1 |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T21:05:51 | Great chat and thanks to all for your ideas and suggestions - see you back here next week - early time tho #eltchat |
| HadaLitim | 2014-05-28T21:06:21 | RT @Marisa_C: Great chat and thanks to all for your ideas and suggestions - see you back here next week - early time tho #eltchat |
| ChristineMulla | 2014-05-28T21:06:26 | @LizziePinard Will do. Here's the transcript: http://t.co/A7Uiq2Od7K Summary hopefully some time next week. #eltchinwag #eltchat |
| LizziePinard | 2014-05-28T21:06:28 | @naomishema @HanaTicha #eltchat planning to mine this aspect of it more next academic yr, rather than it being incidental as has been so far |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T21:06:39 | thanks Elly - will have a look at that link later #eltchat @eilymurphy @SueAnnan |
| LizziePinard | 2014-05-28T21:06:49 | RT @Marisa_C: Great chat and thanks to all for your ideas and suggestions - see you back here next week - early time tho #eltchat |
| eilymurphy | 2014-05-28T21:07:26 | @ChristineMulla @LizziePinard @naomishema @HanaTicha have had to use bribery/gamification for thisrecently, prize for best comment #eltchat |
| LizziePinard | 2014-05-28T21:07:30 | #eltchat night all thanks for getting the creative juices and ideas flowing again :-) |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T21:07:43 | @anasainzc @mary28sou @HadaLitim Lovely - thanks for that :-D #eltchat make sure u post it here & facebook grp too |
| ChristineMulla | 2014-05-28T21:08:28 | Thanks all, esp @HadaLitim Really glad I didn't miss it all! #eltchat |
| mary28sou | 2014-05-28T21:08:45 | Thanks everyone really helped to chat about AnF #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas | 2014-05-28T21:08:58 | #eltchat Good night everyone! ‘See you’ in a week! |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T21:09:08 | Remember to join our #ELTchat Facebook Group as well https://t.co/BaZEYj8ODx |
| ChristineMulla | 2014-05-28T21:09:56 | @harrisonmike that's my fail safe. Was wondering about other approaches. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T21:10:03 | @angelos_bollas good night and see u tomorrow :-) Almost there now!!!! #eltchat |
| ChristineMulla | 2014-05-28T21:10:24 | @Marisa_C how do I put it up? #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas | 2014-05-28T21:10:42 | @Marisa_C 15h35m to go! ;) #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T21:11:37 | RT @angelos_bollas: @Marisa_C 15h35m to go! ;) #eltchat LoL!! I'm sure u;ll shine like a bright star!!! |
| dimodeca | 2014-05-28T21:11:58 | @Marisa_C #eltchat Great chat. Really enjoyed taking part! Good night! |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T21:12:39 | @ChristineMulla Oh ok got it now - sorry - when we post the call for topics u can write it as a comment #eltchat |
| Marisa_C | 2014-05-28T21:13:20 | RT @dimodeca: @Marisa_C #eltchat Great chat. Really enjoyed taking part! Good night!> thx and thx for joining! See u next week we hope |
| dimodeca | 2014-05-28T21:14:12 | RT @Marisa_C: RT @dimodeca: @Marisa_C #eltchat Great chat. Really enjoyed taking part! Good night!> thx and thx for joining! See u next wee… |
| harrisonmike | 2014-05-28T21:17:37 | @ChristineMulla maybe you could use cuisenaire rods, sts 'bet' how many mistakes there are #eltchat |
| harrisonmike | 2014-05-28T21:18:03 | @ChristineMulla I need to think a bit about how that would work #eltchat |