| Username |
utc date & time |
Status |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 10:57 |
#eltchat I'm here for once in a blue moon! |
| teflgeek |
5/7/2014 10:58 |
Morning all #eltchat! Glad I can make it today! |
| Ashowski |
5/7/2014 10:59 |
@lizziepinard great to have you here Lizza! I like your blog #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
5/7/2014 10:59 |
Gosh everyone is on the ball today not even 12 yet :-) #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
5/7/2014 10:59 |
@teflgeek good to see you again David :-) welcome! #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
5/7/2014 11:01 |
Good to see it’s the IHers who are on time :-) #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:01 |
@Ashowski #eltchat Thanks! :-) |
| teflgeek |
5/7/2014 11:02 |
@Shaunwilden well it's either #eltchat or finishing my slides for friday.... |
| Shaunwilden |
5/7/2014 11:02 |
Afternoon all, the topic for #eltchat is dealing with passive learners |
| Ashowski |
5/7/2014 11:02 |
@shaunwilden would that be me and @LizziePinard ? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/7/2014 11:02 |
Hi al and welcome - for the next hour I will be on #ELTchat talking about dealing with passive learners |
| Shaunwilden |
5/7/2014 11:02 |
@teflgeek Bye then thanks for joining ;-) #eltchat |
| teflgeek |
5/7/2014 11:02 |
@Shaunwilden shouldn't that be "the topic for #eltchat is how passive learners are dealt with" |
| GarethSears |
5/7/2014 11:02 |
Hi all! #eltchat newbie here, looking forward to it :D |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:03 |
RT @teflgeek: @Shaunwilden shouldn't that be "the topic for #eltchat is how passive learners are dealt with" |
| Shaunwilden |
5/7/2014 11:03 |
@teflgeek hang on let me get a needle and thread #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:03 |
@GarethSears welcome #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/7/2014 11:03 |
@teflgeek @Shaunwilden sounds a bit more threatening than 'dealing with' - to me at least but hey what do i iknow #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
5/7/2014 11:04 |
@shaunwilden which IH School do you work at @teflgeek ? I think @LizziePinard is at IH Palermo, right? Shaun obv with @IHWorld #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/7/2014 11:04 |
RT @Shaunwilden: @teflgeek hang on let me get a needle and thread #eltchat > Lol good one |
| BobK99 |
5/7/2014 11:04 |
@Marisa_C Here #eltchat. Given that I AM one, I should know! (But I don't) |
| Ashowski |
5/7/2014 11:04 |
@garethsears welcome! hope you enjoy it! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/7/2014 11:05 |
So how do we define a passive learner - what do they do or not do? #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
5/7/2014 11:06 |
@marisa_c I think the most important thing is to highlight they do learn, just they are not active in class #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
5/7/2014 11:06 |
@marisa_c as a result they might seem quieter, less ready to participate, but things are still going in #eltchat |
| teflgeek |
5/7/2014 11:07 |
@Marisa_C learners who believe it is possible to learn by osmosis - proximity is enough? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/7/2014 11:07 |
@Ashowski So passive does not always equal not learning or indifferent / unmotivated ? #eltchat |
| BobK99 |
5/7/2014 11:07 |
@Marisa_C Prefer working silently, on their own. No discussion. No group work. DEF no role play! #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:07 |
@BobK99 @Marisa_C #eltchat are these not just introverted quiet learners, are they ness passive? |
| Ashowski |
5/7/2014 11:08 |
@marisa_c exactly! #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/7/2014 11:08 |
#eltchat I think we can tend to assume wrongly that passive = not learning |
| Marisa_C |
5/7/2014 11:08 |
Like, on #ELTchat we have a lot of lurkers - are they not getting anything out of it ? :-) |
| BobK99 |
5/7/2014 11:09 |
@LizziePinard @Marisa_C Good question - we need a definition. #eltchat |
| teflgeek |
5/7/2014 11:09 |
@LizziePinard good point - there's a difference between introverted and passive, but easy to confuse the two! #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:09 |
#eltchat to me "passive" has negative connotations of disengagement and should be distinct from quiet/introverted |
| Shaunwilden |
5/7/2014 11:09 |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: #eltchat I think we can tend to assume wrongly that passive = not learning |
| Ashowski |
5/7/2014 11:09 |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: #eltchat I think we can tend to assume wrongly that passive = not learning |
| Shaunwilden |
5/7/2014 11:09 |
RT @LizziePinard: #eltchat to me "passive" has negative connotations of disengagement and should be distinct from quiet/introverted |
| Shaunwilden |
5/7/2014 11:09 |
@LizziePinard Very good point lizzie #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:10 |
@Shaunwilden #eltchat …so my Q is, which are we tackling here? or both? |
| Ashowski |
5/7/2014 11:10 |
@lizziepinard @bobk99 @marisa_c they are indeed and I think the topic is about them #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/7/2014 11:10 |
#eltchat learning happens inside. Verbalising thoughts is an important step, too. Expression of learning is another step |
| teflgeek |
5/7/2014 11:10 |
So is an introvert a passive learner who learns, but a disengaged learner is a passive learner who doesn't? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/7/2014 11:10 |
So what is our focus - please decide: Indifferent, unmotivated Ss or 'bringing out' those who ARE learning but not evidently #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
5/7/2014 11:10 |
@LizziePinard I suspect the topic setter meant the latter #eltchat |
| soullessLek |
5/7/2014 11:11 |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: #eltchat learning happens inside. Verbalising thoughts is an important step, too. Expression of learning is another step |
| Ashowski |
5/7/2014 11:11 |
@marisa_c I'd suspect one can get a lot of out of the #eltchat discussion by reading them alone and not participating |
| Ashowski |
5/7/2014 11:11 |
@marisa_c of course I'd always encourage to participate in them cos one could get more out of them that way #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:11 |
@teflgeek #eltchat disengaged learners may not necessarily be passive though ;-) (could be actively disruptive!) |
| BobK99 |
5/7/2014 11:11 |
@LizziePinard @Shaunwilden Well, however negative you see it, a passive learner is by defin. a learner; so they're learning. #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
5/7/2014 11:12 |
@lizziepinard I'd rather be called a passive learner than introverted - for me 'introverted' has more negative connotations #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/7/2014 11:12 |
#eltchat Don't we naturally read something, process it, then discuss it? |
| celiojss |
5/7/2014 11:12 |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: #eltchat learning happens inside. Verbalising thoughts is an important step, too. Expression of learning is another step |
| Shaunwilden |
5/7/2014 11:12 |
RT @BobK99: @LizziePinard @Shaunwilden Well, however negative you see it, a passive learner is by defin. a learner; so they're learning. #e… |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:12 |
#eltchat I think we need to pin down exactly what we are talking about! is topic setter here? |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:13 |
@Ashowski #eltchat What's wrong with being an introvert? I'm one! |
| Shaunwilden |
5/7/2014 11:13 |
@LizziePinard I dont think so, well if they are they’re being passive :-) #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
5/7/2014 11:13 |
@lizziepinard I am too, I still prefer 'passive' than introvert - brings back too many negative tones from school and learning #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/7/2014 11:14 |
@GarethSears @Ashowski good point though I have had ss and trainees who were introverts but rose to the challenge if motivated #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:14 |
#eltchat maybe we need to ditch the labels and describe the behaviour we are tackling? |
| Shaunwilden |
5/7/2014 11:14 |
RT @LizziePinard: #eltchat maybe we need to ditch the labels and describe the behaviour we are tackling? |
| Ashowski |
5/7/2014 11:14 |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: #eltchat Don't we naturally read something, process it, then discuss it? |
| Marisa_C |
5/7/2014 11:14 |
RT @LizziePinard: #eltchat maybe we need to ditch the labels and describe the behaviour we are tackling? > I vote yes |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/7/2014 11:14 |
@LizziePinard #eltchat Definitely nothing wrong with being an introvert! :-) |
| Ashowski |
5/7/2014 11:15 |
RT @LizziePinard: #eltchat maybe we need to ditch the labels and describe the behaviour we are tackling? |
| Kosjenka |
5/7/2014 11:15 |
@Ashowski @Marisa_C from a passive one:) I learn a lot out here, you make me question my methods and strategies. Enough for me :) #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/7/2014 11:15 |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @LizziePinard: #eltchat maybe we need to ditch the labels and describe the behaviour we are tackling? > I vote yes #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/7/2014 11:15 |
I presume then we want to talk abt Ss who do not respond/participate/interact ? #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:16 |
#eltchat so what behaviour is it that we don't want here? We don't want ss to be quiet? |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:16 |
@Marisa_C beat me to it! :-) #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/7/2014 11:16 |
@Kosjenka @Ashowski thanks for 'coming out" :-) #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:16 |
RT @Marisa_C: I presume then we want to talk abt Ss who do not respond/participate/interact ? #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
5/7/2014 11:16 |
RT @Marisa_C: I presume then we want to talk abt Ss who do not respond/participate/interact ? #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/7/2014 11:17 |
#eltchat This lack of response/ participation/ interaction would be not be good behaviour in a language class where the point is to... |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:17 |
#eltchat need to remember the quiet ones can still be learning, the loud ones aren't necessarily learning... |
| GarethSears |
5/7/2014 11:18 |
@LizziePinard quietness is important at times... But when does 'quietness' disrupt a lesson or prevent learning? More questions! #eltchat |
| teflgeek |
5/7/2014 11:18 |
Maybe a passive learner is one who takes more time to process the input and arrive at their own conclusions, thus seem less engaged #eltchat |
| robertmclarty |
5/7/2014 11:18 |
@Shaunwilden I'm being passive but I wouldn't say I wasn't enaged in this chat. #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/7/2014 11:18 |
#eltchat.... where the point is to communicate |
| NewbieCELTA |
5/7/2014 11:18 |
#Eltchat I think we try to push learners to THEIR line of challenge, not ours. also, I focus on 'result active motivation' rather than in/ex |
| teflgeek |
5/7/2014 11:19 |
@LizziePinard I wish more of my YL classes would be "passive" #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/7/2014 11:19 |
@LizziePinard @OUPELTGlobal Still, point of language learning is language using not just exposure - so what would u do about it? #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:19 |
#eltchat @OUPELTGlobal can communicate by writing, comm isn't by def noisy |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/7/2014 11:19 |
#eltchat perhaps there is a time to reflect (e.g. be passive) and a time to be more active |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:19 |
@NewbieCELTA #eltchat can you explain more? |
| GarethSears |
5/7/2014 11:19 |
@teflgeek so revisiting / reviewing those conclusions later is important to find out if something has stuck? #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:19 |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: #eltchat perhaps there is a time to reflect (e.g. be passive) and a time to be more active |
| NewbieCELTA |
5/7/2014 11:20 |
#eltchat but that said, u have indivs AND a group in classroom. They also function as 'one learner' in some sense/situations |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:20 |
#eltchat also depends when in the course, if early on could be initial shyness. Edmodo etc could help build confidence/rapport |
| Ashowski |
5/7/2014 11:20 |
I have a learner who gets 100% and writes English like a native but she won't say a thing in class - learning is taking place #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/7/2014 11:20 |
@LizziePinard #eltchat I wouldn't equate active with noisy. |
| Shaunwilden |
5/7/2014 11:20 |
@OUPELTGlobal Agreed, i think sometimes in ELT lessons are too focused on being active #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:20 |
RT @Ashowski: I have a learner who gets 100% and writes English like a native but she won't say a thing in class - learning is taking place… |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:20 |
RT @Shaunwilden: @OUPELTGlobal Agreed, i think sometimes in ELT lessons are too focused on being active #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
5/7/2014 11:20 |
RT @NewbieCELTA: #Eltchat I think we try to push learners to THEIR line of challenge, not ours. also, I focus on 'result active motivation'… |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:20 |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: @LizziePinard #eltchat I wouldn't equate active with noisy. |
| celiojss |
5/7/2014 11:20 |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: #eltchat perhaps there is a time to reflect (e.g. be passive) and a time to be more active |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:21 |
@OUPELTGlobal #eltchat but if ss aren't communicating when we think they should, then we often consider them passive |
| Ashowski |
5/7/2014 11:21 |
@newbiecelta @LizziePinard we wouldn't a learner to feel uncomfortable by pushing them further than they want #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:21 |
RT @Ashowski: @newbiecelta @LizziePinard we wouldn't a learner to feel uncomfortable by pushing them further than they want #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/7/2014 11:21 |
So if we allow our mind to see 'passive' as 'processing input' is that enough #ELTchat - Granted that learning IS taking place |
| Shaunwilden |
5/7/2014 11:21 |
@Ashowski @newbiecelta @LizziePinard But isn’t our job to push them? #eltchat |
| teflgeek |
5/7/2014 11:21 |
@GarethSears Ts often have expectations of conclusions where SS go off on other tangents, so what sticks not always what taught #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:21 |
RT @teflgeek: @GarethSears Ts often have expectations of conclusions where SS go off on other tangents, so what sticks not always what taug… |
| Ashowski |
5/7/2014 11:22 |
@marisa_c @lizziepinard @oupeltglobal I get the actives to speak and the passives to write :-) #eltchat |
| SalehiHosna |
5/7/2014 11:22 |
@Marisa_C I always start with intrapersonal activities w these kind of learners then move to interpersonal. #eltchat |
| teflgeek |
5/7/2014 11:22 |
@GarethSears passivity maybe fear of revealing that or being accused of lack of attention? #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
5/7/2014 11:23 |
RT @LizziePinard: #eltchat @OUPELTGlobal can communicate by writing, comm isn't by def noisy |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/7/2014 11:23 |
@Shaunwilden #eltchat I agree. We need to offer challenge. That doesn't have to be scary. |
| NewbieCELTA |
5/7/2014 11:23 |
@LizziePinard motivated by recent, felt success learning = desire for mo', implicated mo' metcog & knowing what/how L is happening #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/7/2014 11:23 |
To go back to our previous #ELTchat about team building & cohesion, some great ideas there to help Ss feel easier/less afraid to participate |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:23 |
#eltchat we can work on providing a conducive atmosphere, motivation, opportunities etc. |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/7/2014 11:24 |
@teflgeek #eltchat Could be fear. Our job is to help reduce it. Also could be cultural? |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:24 |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: @Shaunwilden #eltchat I agree. We need to offer challenge. That doesn't have to be scary. |
| Shaunwilden |
5/7/2014 11:24 |
RT @NewbieCELTA: @LizziePinard @Ashowski Ls need a push, that's the Ts classroom function at least in many contexts IMO #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/7/2014 11:24 |
RT @LizziePinard: #eltchat we can work on providing a conducive atmosphere, motivation, opportunities etc. #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:25 |
#eltchat maybe less pushing and more enabling - but it's all labels again! |
| teflgeek |
5/7/2014 11:25 |
@OUPELTGlobal fear of "getting it wrong"? Could be. Some cultures more tolerant of ambiguity than others #eltchat |
| NewbieCELTA |
5/7/2014 11:25 |
@Shaunwilden @Ashowski @LizziePinard think so..passive or not, there's push #eltchat maybe different flavor, but u think pass. Ls can't?.. |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:25 |
RT @teflgeek: @OUPELTGlobal fear of "getting it wrong"? Could be. Some cultures more tolerant of ambiguity than others #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
5/7/2014 11:25 |
@oupeltglobal @teflgeek in Poland the culture is definitely to be a passive learner - teacher does all talking. Nightmare for #elt #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/7/2014 11:25 |
Sharing link to previous #ELTchat - loads of great activities to start right keep building trust, rapport, etc http://t.co/WxPkeh09oN |
| Shaunwilden |
5/7/2014 11:25 |
@OUPELTGlobal @teflgeek Yes culture has a big part to play in it I think, especially looking at previous learning of Sts #eltchat |
| SalehiHosna |
5/7/2014 11:25 |
@Marisa_C The Ss are not always afraid of participating, sometimes it's cuz of their character. What should we do with them? #eltchat |
| GarethSears |
5/7/2014 11:26 |
RT @Marisa_C: Sharing link to previous #ELTchat - loads of great activities to start right keep building trust, rapport, etc http://t.co/… |
| Marisa_C |
5/7/2014 11:26 |
RT @SalehiHosna: @Marisa_C The Ss are not always afraid of participating, sometimes it's cuz of their character. What should we do with the… |
| Ashowski |
5/7/2014 11:26 |
RT @teflgeek: @OUPELTGlobal fear of "getting it wrong"? Could be. Some cultures more tolerant of ambiguity than others #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:26 |
#eltchat could look at role of mistakes in learning and raise awareness of value of making them n learning from them. in supportive atoms |
| Mroberts90Matt |
5/7/2014 11:26 |
@Ashowski @NewbieCELTA @LizziePinard Are we not pushing learners when we enable them to learn? Obviously should not be too big... #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:26 |
@LizziePinard #eltchat "atmosphere" |
| GarethSears |
5/7/2014 11:27 |
RT @LizziePinard: #eltchat could look at role of mistakes in learning and raise awareness of value of making them n learning from them. in … |
| Ashowski |
5/7/2014 11:27 |
@salehihosna @marisa_c there's not much we can do other than appreciate their character and encourage participation #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/7/2014 11:27 |
#eltchat I remember the first lang lesson I had where I had to participate orally. Very scary at first, but then really fun. (this after... |
| GarethSears |
5/7/2014 11:27 |
RT @Ashowski: @oupeltglobal @teflgeek in Poland the culture is definitely to be a passive learner - teacher does all talking. Nightmare for… |
| NewbieCELTA |
5/7/2014 11:27 |
#eltchat I downplay Sts' diff. motivation - I can affect resultative kind by Ting well & facil. Sts' appreciation & awareness of progress |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:27 |
@Mroberts90Matt @Ashowski @NewbieCELTA #eltchat for me push indicates force, while enable indicates less forceful bt still providing ops etc |
| BobK99 |
5/7/2014 11:27 |
RT @teflgeek: @OUPELTGlobal ... Some cultures more tolerant of ambiguity than others #eltchat > AND some more tolerant of ERROR ::-) |
| teflgeek |
5/7/2014 11:27 |
@Shaunwilden @OUPELTGlobal but "getting it wrong" also includes "deviating from the plan" #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
5/7/2014 11:27 |
RT @BobK99: RT @teflgeek: @OUPELTGlobal ... Some cultures more tolerant of ambiguity than others #eltchat > AND some more tolerant of ERRO… |
| Marisa_C |
5/7/2014 11:28 |
RT @Ashowski: @salehihosna @marisa_c there's not much we can do other than appreciate their character and encourage participation #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
5/7/2014 11:28 |
RT @LizziePinard: @Mroberts90Matt @Ashowski @NewbieCELTA #eltchat for me push indicates force, while enable indicates less forceful bt stil… |
| teflgeek |
5/7/2014 11:28 |
@BobK99 @OUPELTGlobal and divergence #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:28 |
@BobK99 @teflgeek @OUPELTGlobal hence what i said about awareness-raising #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
5/7/2014 11:28 |
@lizziepinard @mroberts90matt @newbiecelta I agree! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/7/2014 11:29 |
@SalehiHosna It would very much depend on the age for me #Eltchat - more play and chances to shine for YL's show areas of strengh |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/7/2014 11:30 |
@SalehiHosna #eltchat Quite right. Maybe find ways to participate that fit their personality. EG if not groups, then 1:1, etc |
| NewbieCELTA |
5/7/2014 11:30 |
#eltchat can we concretize? Think of a 'passive learner' of yours and report specific approach/events/results...? |
| Marisa_C |
5/7/2014 11:30 |
@SalehiHosna with adults i usually end up talking abt L2 acquisition and how it works best #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:30 |
@NewbieCELTA: @Mroberts90Matt @Ashowski Stevick writes about 'control'(T has) vs'initiative'(Ss have) maybe push/enable-semantics#eltchat |
| BobK99 |
5/7/2014 11:30 |
RT @Ashowski: @salehihosna @marisa_c ...not much we can do other than appreciate ... + encourage ... #eltchat >Congratulate? (privately) |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:31 |
#eltchat extensive reading helped a quiet learner of mine to blossom - she much more confident now |
| patrickelt |
5/7/2014 11:31 |
@NewbieCELTA #eltchat I feel wary of characterising learners as passive. Do we know what is going on internally? |
| Marisa_C |
5/7/2014 11:31 |
@BobK99 @Ashowski @salehihosna I like your (privately) contains the idea of 1-2-1 tutorial time which on occasion may be useful #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
5/7/2014 11:31 |
@newbiecelta one of mine won't speak unless she feels comfortable/forced. I let her speak she wants but I do encourage it *no force #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:31 |
RT @patrickelt: @NewbieCELTA #eltchat I feel wary of characterising learners as passive. Do we know what is going on internally? |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/7/2014 11:32 |
RT @LizziePinard: #eltchat extensive reading helped a quiet learner of mine to blossom - she much more confident now #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:32 |
@patrickelt @NewbieCELTA #eltchat this why we've ditched the labels |
| AnthonyTeacher |
5/7/2014 11:32 |
I'm working on a What is DDL blog post. What questions about #DDL do you want answered? #eltchat #tesol #corpus #esl |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:32 |
RT @Ashowski: @newbiecelta one of mine won't speak unless she feels comfortable/forced. I let her speak she wants but I do encourage it *no… |
| Ashowski |
5/7/2014 11:32 |
@lizziepinard more comfortable in which way? participating in class? #speaking? #eltchat |
| NewbieCELTA |
5/7/2014 11:32 |
#eltchat Stevick (1976 I think) writes a lot about Trust - are we thking passivity means less trust poss. Both ways? Passive = vulnerable?? |
| Ashowski |
5/7/2014 11:32 |
@patrickelt @newbiecelta I'd say learning is going on #eltchat |
| SalehiHosna |
5/7/2014 11:33 |
@Marisa_C I usually use Tic tac toe choice board .Ss have the right to choose the activity first that fit their character #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:33 |
@Ashowski #eltchat more self-belief - she's done well with the reading, done lots, never thought she could before |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/7/2014 11:33 |
@Ashowski #eltchat I had a student who barely said a word, but took a lot in. He barely said a word in his own lang, too. felt more... |
| teflgeek |
5/7/2014 11:33 |
thing is, if a single learner in your class is passive, there might be a hundred reasons why and you can't generalise #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:33 |
RT @teflgeek: thing is, if a single learner in your class is passive, there might be a hundred reasons why and you can't generalise #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
5/7/2014 11:33 |
@SalehiHosna @Marisa_C Sounds interesting how does that work #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/7/2014 11:34 |
@SalehiHosna #eltchat. yes, I like this idea. works well |
| Marisa_C |
5/7/2014 11:34 |
@SalehiHosna Nice idea - giving Ss choice of activity #eltchat |
| teflgeek |
5/7/2014 11:34 |
but if all the students in your class are passive, then surely you have to re-examine your own teaching, no? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
5/7/2014 11:34 |
RT @SueAnnan: Hello everyone - I presume you meant to add the hashtag Sue? #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:34 |
@teflgeek Exactly! Plus reasons may vary from moment to moment during the class and across classes #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
5/7/2014 11:34 |
#eltchat Greetings! I ask SS to talk to themselves, record it, and self-correct. Confidence goes up and class participation improves! |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/7/2014 11:34 |
@OUPELTGlobal #eltchat.... felt more comfortable with online chat and discussion boards |
| Marisa_C |
5/7/2014 11:34 |
@NewbieCELTA it may well be lack of trust or confidence - can't be sure - or received ideas about roles of Ts etc #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
5/7/2014 11:35 |
@angelos_bollas Nice idea, how do you convince those that might feel embarrassed by it? #eltchat |
| teflgeek |
5/7/2014 11:35 |
@LizziePinard bad hair day / not understanding / dog died / didn't do homework / big test tomorrow list goes on #eltchat |
| patrickelt |
5/7/2014 11:35 |
@OUPELTGlobal @Ashowski #eltchat I have known this in online courses too. Some students just do activities on their own and do not seem... |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:35 |
@OUPELTGlobal #eltchat yup, that's why i suggested Edmodo etc earlier to help with it |
| NewbieCELTA |
5/7/2014 11:35 |
#eltchat can position 'peer push' too, maybe less 'forceful' & ultimately more fruitful if we want passive L to take models for active ness |
| patrickelt |
5/7/2014 11:35 |
@OUPELTGlobal @Ashowski ...to engage but actually write good assignment #eltchat |
| BobK99 |
5/7/2014 11:35 |
Idea for another #ELTchat: cultures that encourage by M but not F. Hornets nest, but an interesting one! |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:36 |
@BobK99 #eltchat M but not F? |
| patrickelt |
5/7/2014 11:36 |
@Marisa_C @NewbieCELTA Or perhaps just need time to process reflect etc #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/7/2014 11:36 |
@teflgeek @LizziePinard Lol :-) except for some it lasts for years! #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
5/7/2014 11:36 |
@LizziePinard @BobK99 meaning /form? #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:37 |
RT @patrickelt: @Marisa_C @NewbieCELTA Or perhaps just need time to process reflect etc #eltchat |
| GarethSears |
5/7/2014 11:37 |
@OUPELTGlobal I found one of my Pass Ss responded well to online platforms. Maybe it helps having a different online 'persona' #eltchat |
| teflgeek |
5/7/2014 11:37 |
@Shaunwilden @LizziePinard @BobK99 gender roles in ELT no? #eltchat |
| angelos_bollas |
5/7/2014 11:37 |
@Shaunwilden I bring in class audio clips of me talking to myself! When they understand that it is ok, they do it all the time! #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:37 |
RT @angelos_bollas: @Shaunwilden I bring in class audio clips of me talking to myself! When they understand that it is ok, they do it all t… |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:37 |
RT @GarethSears: @OUPELTGlobal I found one of my Pass Ss responded well to online platforms. Maybe it helps having a different online 'pers… |
| Shaunwilden |
5/7/2014 11:37 |
@teflgeek @LizziePinard @BobK99 aha thats makes sense #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
5/7/2014 11:38 |
@angelos_bollas @Shaunwilden do you get them to practice at home recording themselves? #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:39 |
RT @teflgeek: but if all the students in your class are passive, then surely you have to re-examine your own teaching, no? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/7/2014 11:39 |
@angelos_bollas @Shaunwilden So, giving them examples of monologue (possibly, confidence building) practice? #eltchat |
| BobK99 |
5/7/2014 11:39 |
@LizziePinard Men and boys but not women/girls #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/7/2014 11:39 |
@Shaunwilden #eltchat gender roles differ so much from culture to culture (and person to person). Males talk more not always true |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:40 |
#eltchat i think a talk about gender roles etc might end up being too full of sweeping generalisations... |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/7/2014 11:40 |
@OUPELTGlobal ie; not generalisable #eltchat |
| teflgeek |
5/7/2014 11:40 |
@OUPELTGlobal @Shaunwilden interestingly, the topic setter works at a girls school in Islamabad (from brief facebook research). #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/7/2014 11:41 |
@LizziePinard #eltchat agree |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:41 |
RT @teflgeek: @OUPELTGlobal @Shaunwilden interestingly, the topic setter works at a girls school in Islamabad (from brief facebook research… |
| Ashowski |
5/7/2014 11:41 |
@LizziePinard that is easily dealt with if we agree for the chat generalisations exist for a reason #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:42 |
@Ashowski #eltchat and sometimes that reason can be ignorance |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/7/2014 11:42 |
@Marisa_C #eltchat sample mono/dialogue good for buliding confidence, then move on. sometimes baby steps best |
| Ashowski |
5/7/2014 11:42 |
@LizziePinard absolutely #eltchat |
| teflgeek |
5/7/2014 11:42 |
#eltchat going off topic again - #noplansurvivescontactwiththeenemy |
| Shaunwilden |
5/7/2014 11:42 |
@angelos_bollas @Ashowski Nice and so easy to do these days given mobile technology #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:42 |
RT @teflgeek: #eltchat going off topic again - #noplansurvivescontactwiththeenemy |
| Shaunwilden |
5/7/2014 11:43 |
@teflgeek Havent you got slides to prepare? #eltchat |
| BobK99 |
5/7/2014 11:43 |
RT @LizziePinard: #eltchat ... talk about gender roles etc might end up being too full of sweeping gen'ns... .>Yes (but still a prob for T) |
| Marisa_C |
5/7/2014 11:43 |
RT @Shaunwilden: @angelos_bollas @Ashowski Nice and so easy to do these days given mobile technology #eltchat |
| NewbieCELTA |
5/7/2014 11:43 |
#eltchat 'passive Ls' the "wallflowers" at the dance? maybe they just don't feel the music. maybe they hit floor when slowjam is spun #goof |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:43 |
#eltchat so we seem to have moved to ideas for helping learners be more confident? |
| GarethSears |
5/7/2014 11:43 |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: @Marisa_C #eltchat sample mono/dialogue good for buliding confidence, then move on. sometimes baby steps best |
| teflgeek |
5/7/2014 11:43 |
@Shaunwilden there's only another 17 slides left to do. I'll do them at lunchtime. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/7/2014 11:44 |
RT @LizziePinard: #eltchat so we seem to have moved to ideas for helping learners be more confident?> plus participate/interact more yes |
| angelos_bollas |
5/7/2014 11:44 |
@Marisa_C @Shaunwilden Exactly! The more unexpected the sample, the better. e.g. self-talk while driving #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:44 |
#eltchat so i would say then help them discover things they *can* do in English - e.g. extensive reading, listening, sharing on Edmodo etc |
| Shaunwilden |
5/7/2014 11:45 |
RT @NewbieCELTA: @angelos_bollas @Ashowski @Shaunwilden so is Dogme particularly good for so-called passive learners potentially? #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/7/2014 11:45 |
#eltchat Tchr personality can draw sts out of shell, too. strict but fair and encouraging. also willing to admit when wrong or make mistakes |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:45 |
#eltchat to help build up their confidence. |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:45 |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: #eltchat Tchr personality can draw sts out of shell, too. strict but fair and encouraging. also willing to admit when wro… |
| Ashowski |
5/7/2014 11:45 |
@NewbieCELTA @angelos_bollas @Shaunwilden my gut reaction would be: no. But can't explain why - need to think about it #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/7/2014 11:46 |
#eltchat also create a balance in the class of reflective activities and active ones. Experiential learning (Kolb cycle) requires both |
| teflgeek |
5/7/2014 11:46 |
@Shaunwilden @NewbieCELTA @angelos_bollas @Ashowski I would think not so much as PLs prob need reassurance of structure? #eltchat |
| NewbieCELTA |
5/7/2014 11:46 |
@Shaunwilden @angelos_bollas @Ashowski maybe mo betta to focus on 'passivity' as condition/response not 'passive' as trait. #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
5/7/2014 11:47 |
@angelos_bollas really like this recording idea - will message u sometime for more info #elt #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:47 |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: #eltchat also create a balance in the class of reflective activities and active ones. Experiential learning (Kolb cycle) … |
| angelos_bollas |
5/7/2014 11:47 |
@Shaunwilden @NewbieCELTA @Ashowski As long as the T is organised and experienced enough, why not? #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
5/7/2014 11:47 |
RT @angelos_bollas: @Shaunwilden @NewbieCELTA @Ashowski As long as the T is organised and experienced enough, why not? #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/7/2014 11:47 |
@Ashowski #eltchat how would it be any better than anything else? |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:48 |
#eltchat let them teach you something in their language, and try it, be willing to make mistakes and have fun with it, so they see it's ok |
| Mroberts90Matt |
5/7/2014 11:48 |
Collaborative learning surely must be implemented, increase confidence and new knowledge Phillips 2013 #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
5/7/2014 11:48 |
@NewbieCELTA @teflgeek @Shaunwilden @angelos_bollas agreed! #eltchat |
| teflgeek |
5/7/2014 11:48 |
@OUPELTGlobal @Ashowski tho I suppose it gives space for self expression, when passivity = nothing to say on topic #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/7/2014 11:49 |
RT @LizziePinard: #eltchat let them teach you something in their language, and try it, be willing to make mistakes and have fun with it,... |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:49 |
RT @teflgeek: @OUPELTGlobal @Ashowski tho I suppose it gives space for self expression, when passivity = nothing to say on topic #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
5/7/2014 11:49 |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: RT @LizziePinard: #eltchat let them teach you something in their language, and try it, be willing to make mistakes and ha… |
| Ashowski |
5/7/2014 11:49 |
@OUPELTGlobal @LizziePinard I do this #eltchat |
| GarethSears |
5/7/2014 11:49 |
RT @LizziePinard: #eltchat let them teach you something in their language, and try it, be willing to make mistakes and have fun with it, so… |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:49 |
@Ashowski @OUPELTGlobal #eltchat me too :-) |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/7/2014 11:50 |
@Mroberts90Matt #eltchat Create balance between collaborative tasks and individual ones to suit different learing styles. Hard to think... |
| Ashowski |
5/7/2014 11:50 |
Right guys I have to go back to work. Thanks for the #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:50 |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: @Mroberts90Matt #eltchat Create balance between collaborative tasks and individual ones to suit different learing styles.… |
| SueAnnan |
5/7/2014 11:51 |
@Shaunwilden sticks tongue out:-). Was just saying Hi in passing. Can't make #eltchat today. Sorry:-( |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:51 |
RT @SalehiHosna: @Marisa_C Ss are often afraid of making mistake. For building confidence I prefer to start with Tiered activities.#eltchat |
| BobK99 |
5/7/2014 11:51 |
RT @LizziePinard: #eltchat let them teach you something in their language ...> Hmm - could be central pillar of Sch of Wk :-) |
| KeithRushMoore |
5/7/2014 11:52 |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: RT @LizziePinard: #eltchat let them teach you something in their language, and try it, be willing to make mistakes and ha… |
| Marisa_C |
5/7/2014 11:52 |
I have also found that talking about how important making mistakes is changes Ss' attitudes #eltchat - we need to ENCOURAGE mistakes |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:52 |
@BobK99 #eltchat school of what? |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/7/2014 11:52 |
@LizziePinard #eltchat Could you explain? |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:52 |
@Marisa_C #eltchat yeah like I said earlier - awareness raising... |
| Dimayousef |
5/7/2014 11:52 |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: #eltchat also create a balance in the class of reflective activities and active ones. Experiential learning (Kolb cycle) … |
| NewbieCELTA |
5/7/2014 11:52 |
@LizziePinard really intrinsic confidence level 2 me is unaccessible, but learning & feltness of that is the spark #eltchat #resultativemot. |
| GarethSears |
5/7/2014 11:52 |
RT @Marisa_C: I have also found that talking about how important making mistakes is changes Ss' attitudes #eltchat - we need to ENCOURAGE m… |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/7/2014 11:52 |
@Marisa_C #eltchat Absolutely!!! |
| cathywint |
5/7/2014 11:52 |
timely find of #eltchat class cohesion as planning #L3Award class on setting & maintaining safe environment http://t.co/90Efo2aie6 |
| NewbieCELTA |
5/7/2014 11:52 |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: #eltchat Tchr personality can draw sts out of shell, too. strict but fair and encouraging. also willing to admit when wro… |
| mattkendrickelt |
5/7/2014 11:53 |
#eltchat re.speaking, ss I've had in mind during this chat rarely join in spontaneously but do when given planning time. |
| KeithRushMoore |
5/7/2014 11:53 |
@OUPELTGlobal @LizziePinard getting them to explain concepts or tell stories on their own language helps a lot as well #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:53 |
@BobK99 #eltchat Aha!! thanks! |
| teflgeek |
5/7/2014 11:53 |
Would passive learners fare better in one of @sugatam 's Self Organised Learning Environments? #eltchat |
| teflgeek |
5/7/2014 11:53 |
RT @mattkendrickelt: #eltchat re.speaking, ss I've had in mind during this chat rarely join in spontaneously but do when given planning tim… |
| Marisa_C |
5/7/2014 11:53 |
@teflgeek @sugatam interesting question :-) #eltchat |
| NewbieCELTA |
5/7/2014 11:54 |
@Ashowski see u around :) #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:54 |
@teflgeek @sugatam #eltchat is about collaborative learning, right? I think some mentioned earlier that could be a way forward |
| Marisa_C |
5/7/2014 11:54 |
@teflgeek @sugatam i think those who do are self motivated and driven enough to seek out learning opportunities on their own #eltchat |
| NewbieCELTA |
5/7/2014 11:54 |
@OUPELTGlobal @LizziePinard yeah, that's a great trust and partnership builder #eltchat ! |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:55 |
#eltchat @teflgeek Would they be better with online learning and no language school/similar? ;-) |
| Shaunwilden |
5/7/2014 11:55 |
@teflgeek @sugatam like in any group work wouldn’t they they just take a back seat? #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/7/2014 11:55 |
@mattkendrickelt #eltchat. Yes, good point. let them prepare their ideas beforehand |
| Marisa_C |
5/7/2014 11:55 |
RT @Shaunwilden: @teflgeek @sugatam like in any group work wouldn’t they they just take a back seat? #eltchat > i think they do |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:55 |
#eltchat ensure that group work is more structured sometimes, so that ss have clear roles |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:56 |
#eltchat 4 mins to go if I'm not mistaken... |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/7/2014 11:56 |
@Shaunwilden #eltchat maybe not if given a role or task they were responsible for as an outcome |
| teflgeek |
5/7/2014 11:56 |
@LizziePinard @marisa_c @shaunwilden depnds if passive means unmotivated or just uninterested. Pursuing own agenda cld be perfect #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:56 |
RT @teflgeek: @LizziePinard @marisa_c @shaunwilden depnds if passive means unmotivated or just uninterested. Pursuing own agenda cld be pe… |
| Marisa_C |
5/7/2014 11:56 |
@Shaunwilden @teflgeek @sugatam if you checkout sites like myenglishclub same thing happens - active and less active members #eltchat |
| SalehiHosna |
5/7/2014 11:57 |
@OUPELTGlobal Ss are often unconfident, cuz Ts dont take into consideration the readiness level of them @LizziePinard #eltchat |
| KeithRushMoore |
5/7/2014 11:57 |
@OUPELTGlobal reflective activities that emphasize personal narratives makes a nice place for learning and cultural exchanges #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:57 |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: @Shaunwilden #eltchat maybe not if given a role or task they were responsible for as an outcome |
| Marisa_C |
5/7/2014 11:57 |
RT @LizziePinard: #eltchat ensure that group work is more structured sometimes, so that ss have clear roles > good advice structure clearly |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/7/2014 11:57 |
@LizziePinard #eltchat I learned Spanish on my own online. didn't make me a confident speaker, though listening, reading, writing good |
| GarethSears |
5/7/2014 11:57 |
@Marisa_C wrt mistakes I find lang 'play' helps, eg have Ss pick and repeat 1 mistake in convo and until the other finds it #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/7/2014 11:58 |
RT @GarethSears: @Marisa_C wrt mistakes I find lang 'play' helps, eg have Ss repeat 1 mistake in convo and until the other finds it #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
5/7/2014 11:58 |
@LizziePinard thanks moderator ;-) #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
5/7/2014 11:58 |
Anyone summary writing for us…..#eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/7/2014 11:58 |
@KeithRushMoore #eltchat. agree. and cultural exchanges interest all, it seems |
| NewbieCELTA |
5/7/2014 11:59 |
@teflgeek @LizziePinard ain't that the rub?!? #eltchat |
| GarethSears |
5/7/2014 11:59 |
RT @LizziePinard: #eltchat ensure that group work is more structured sometimes, so that ss have clear roles |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:59 |
@Shaunwilden #eltchat I can do the summary if you want, haven't done one for ages! |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 11:59 |
RT @Shaunwilden: @LizziePinard thanks moderator ;-) #eltchat <<hahahah :-p |
| Shaunwilden |
5/7/2014 11:59 |
Next week’s #eltchat is at 21.00 BST / 20.00GMT |
| muranava |
5/7/2014 12:00 |
play the #elttalkbingo http://t.co/C0IDLT30FE inspired by @eltjam :) #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
5/7/2014 12:00 |
@LizziePinard @Marisa_C Thanks Lizzie much appreciated #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/7/2014 12:00 |
thanks everyone for joining and @LizziePinard for offering to do summary w/o us having to ASK even !!!! :-D #ELtchat |
| BobK99 |
5/7/2014 12:01 |
Time for lunch. Thanks all at #ELTchat ;-) |
| GarethSears |
5/7/2014 12:01 |
Got to go #eltchat - some really interesting threads, will defo make a second appearance :D cheers! |
| Shaunwilden |
5/7/2014 12:01 |
@Marisa_C @LizziePinard Well i did ask but she jumped in without hesitation :-) #eltchat |
| GarethSears |
5/7/2014 12:01 |
RT @Shaunwilden: Next week’s #eltchat is at 21.00 BST / 20.00GMT |
| SalehiHosna |
5/7/2014 12:01 |
Thanks all, USEFULL AS USUAL :) #eltchat |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 12:01 |
#eltchat thanks all, feel nice and inspired for my 4-in-a-row today now! :-) |
| Shaunwilden |
5/7/2014 12:02 |
See y’all next week #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/7/2014 12:02 |
Do follow @angelos_bollas new on #ELTchat and new kid on the blog too http://t.co/JT9r72pVYh |
| LizziePinard |
5/7/2014 12:03 |
RT @Marisa_C: Do follow @angelos_bollas new on #ELTchat and new kid on the blog too http://t.co/JT9r72pVYh |
| Mroberts90Matt |
5/7/2014 12:04 |
Thanks - first # discussion - found it very informative :) #eltchat |
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