| Shaunwilden |
4/16/2014 11:01 |
Shall we? #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
4/16/2014 11:01 |
@Shaunwilden Fire away #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
4/16/2014 11:02 |
#eltchat is Observations and Feedback: what do you get out of being observed and what makes good or bad feedback? |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
4/16/2014 11:03 |
@Shaunwilden Am here. Could you define the topiv, #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
4/16/2014 11:04 |
@Shaunwilden Observations and feedback from whom? #eltchat |
| BobK99 |
4/16/2014 11:05 |
Here I am. Long time no #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
4/16/2014 11:05 |
@hadalitim @eltchat I'm here :)#eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
4/16/2014 11:05 |
@MarjorieRosenbe I assume it’s talking about all types #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
4/16/2014 11:05 |
@MarjorieRosenbe @Shaunwilden Teacher/Observer? Teacher/Teacher? #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
4/16/2014 11:05 |
@sandymillin nice to have you Sandy #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
4/16/2014 11:05 |
@MarjorieRosenbe I think it was @Ashowski’s question. Maybe he can define it a bit more? #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
4/16/2014 11:05 |
RT @Shaunwilden: Lunchtime #eltchat @12BST is Observations and Feedback: what do you get out of being observed and what makes good or bad f… |
| Shaunwilden |
4/16/2014 11:06 |
@aClilToClimb can you refrain from tweeting off topic during a chat please #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
4/16/2014 11:06 |
@Shaunwilden Hi ShaunOk. All clear. #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
4/16/2014 11:06 |
@sandymillin @MarjorieRosenbe @Ashowski Yes it was #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
4/16/2014 11:06 |
@sandymillin @marjorierosenbe @Shaunwilden feedback from obs from Senior Academic staff #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
4/16/2014 11:06 |
Why don’t we start with peer observations? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
4/16/2014 11:07 |
RT @sandymillin: Why don’t we start with peer observations? #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
4/16/2014 11:07 |
RT @Shaunwilden: @aClilToClimb can you refrain from tweeting off topic during a chat please #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
4/16/2014 11:07 |
RT @sandymillin: Why don’t we start with peer observations? #eltchat Ok, let’s start there then though many schools don’t do them |
| Ashowski |
4/16/2014 11:07 |
To my experience the style of feedback varies from DoS to DoS as well other members of staff - you agree? #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
4/16/2014 11:08 |
@sandymillin OK, so here's a qu: Are peer observations worth their while? #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
4/16/2014 11:08 |
@Shaunwilden @sandymillin WHere I work they are less stressful, more interesting, but not regular as not mandatory generally #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
4/16/2014 11:08 |
@shaunwilden @sandymillin why don't schools do them? #eltchat |
| BobK99 |
4/16/2014 11:08 |
I'll be lurking mostly in #eltchat. Limited exp (once) of ELT obs, and less limited pre-ELT - MFL |
| sandymillin |
4/16/2014 11:09 |
@Shaunwilden Or let’s follow @Ashowski since it was his question! #eltchat Feedback varies a lot - depends on personality/focus/experience |
| Shaunwilden |
4/16/2014 11:09 |
@Ashowski @sandymillin Yes :-) #eltchat |
| cbsiskin |
4/16/2014 11:09 |
@Ashowski Yes, style of feedback is at least partially a function of personality. #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
4/16/2014 11:09 |
@Ashowski @sandymillin Absolutely! In some cases, they can help immensely #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
4/16/2014 11:09 |
@BobK99 #eltchat Limited experience is still interesting. Is it sth you’d like to have done more of? What about videos? |
| ayatawel |
4/16/2014 11:09 |
#eltchat Are we starting now !! |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
4/16/2014 11:09 |
@Ashowski @sandymillin @Shaunwilden Have never had this. Was set up once but the lang coord decided against it. #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
4/16/2014 11:10 |
@marjorierosenbe @sandymillin @shaunwilden You've never been observed by your DoS? #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
4/16/2014 11:10 |
@MarjorieRosenbe You’ve never had feedback on an obs from senior staff? #eltchat |
| ayatawel |
4/16/2014 11:10 |
@Shaunwilden @sandymillin Yeah, the worst thing is that most schools can't see the potential of peer observation !! #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
4/16/2014 11:10 |
@ayatawel Yes Ayat, Welcome #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
4/16/2014 11:10 |
So, we agree it depends on personality a bit, what elements go into producing a good/bad feedback session? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
4/16/2014 11:10 |
@ayatawel Yes though they are a difficult thing to implement for many reasons #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
4/16/2014 11:11 |
Interesting fb comes from sts who observe my classes and point out things I do automatically and don't notice. Very helpful. #eltchat |
| ayatawel |
4/16/2014 11:11 |
#eltchat I believe peer observ is one of the best ways of PD |
| languageeteach |
4/16/2014 11:11 |
@Shaunwilden @sandymillin Successful obs depends on your attitude towards feedback - buckets, tumblers or thimbles #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
4/16/2014 11:11 |
@Ashowski Surely it starts way before the fbk session? #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
4/16/2014 11:11 |
@sandymillin Aldo haven't experienced this, only from trainees. #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
4/16/2014 11:11 |
@Shaunwilden @ayatawel Peer ons always sth I want to do, but so hard to find the time. Haven’t done one for a LONG time. #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
4/16/2014 11:12 |
@Shaunwilden @ayatawel But I learn so much from peer ons - was where I learnt the most in my first job #eltchat Steal activities, etc |
| Marisa_C |
4/16/2014 11:12 |
Hello all sorry am late will follow as best as I can as not feeling too great today #eltchat |
| ayatawel |
4/16/2014 11:12 |
@Shaunwilden If we change our perspective , it won't be difficult #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
4/16/2014 11:12 |
Wondering if or how this applies to freelancers #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
4/16/2014 11:12 |
@Ashowski #eltchat For good feedback on obs, you need to listen to the observed T. How do they feel it went? Guide, lead, don’t tell. |
| ayatawel |
4/16/2014 11:12 |
RT @sandymillin: @Shaunwilden @ayatawel But I learn so much from peer ons - was where I learnt the most in my first job #eltchat Steal acti… |
| Shaunwilden |
4/16/2014 11:13 |
@Ashowski Well fbk is surely determined by the agenda for the observation in the first place #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
4/16/2014 11:13 |
@languageeteach @shaunwilden @sandymillin It can be a negative experience, but maybe there's a recommended structure? #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
4/16/2014 11:13 |
@Ashowski #eltchat need to understand that not every T teaches in the same way, and that it’s their lesson, not yours |
| HadaLitim |
4/16/2014 11:13 |
@sandymillin @Shaunwilden @ayatawel Do you think that peer observation should always have a focus and feedback? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
4/16/2014 11:13 |
@MarjorieRosenbe Observations in general or peer? #eltchat |
| SLT_Kat |
4/16/2014 11:13 |
@Shaunwilden @12Bst Observation should be both reflective and developmental - big focus on next steps and how to achieve them. #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
4/16/2014 11:13 |
@sandymillin Nope. Have also never had a DOS. #eltchat |
| ayatawel |
4/16/2014 11:14 |
@sandymillin @Shaunwilden Agree, I'm lucky 2 have joined a new work place and it's one of the requirements for first few months #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
4/16/2014 11:14 |
@sandymillin My DoS gets us (Senior Ts) to go through every recorded element of the lesson, describing it and then say what's wrong #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
4/16/2014 11:14 |
@sandymillin @Shaunwilden @ayatawel Me too! And a lot less stressful than formal observations #eltchat |
| SLT_Kat |
4/16/2014 11:14 |
@Shaunwilden @12Bst observations should be positive, consistent and NOT SCARY! #eltchat |
| ditaphillips |
4/16/2014 11:14 |
@sandymillin Experienced this a few times, teachers had to push for it, results positive, created good buzz in the staffroom #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
4/16/2014 11:14 |
@sandymillin helping Ts to discover what went wrong will probably be better but I've had Ts say they just want to know the problem #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
4/16/2014 11:15 |
@sandymillin @Ashowski Soynda like a good way to do it. Have observed trainess and agree they need guidance. #eltchat |
| ayatawel |
4/16/2014 11:15 |
@HadaLitim Yes, this can guarantee a good output !! #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
4/16/2014 11:15 |
@ChrisOzog @sandymillin @Shaunwilden @ayatawel That sounds ideal and makes a lot more sense. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
4/16/2014 11:15 |
RT @Marisa_C: We all benefit from observing others but question is about how WE beneftit by getting observed; what's the best FB #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
4/16/2014 11:15 |
We all benefit from observing others but @Ashowski 's Q is about how WE beneftit by getting observed and what's the best FB #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
4/16/2014 11:15 |
@sandymillin I agree! In fact I like it when I see things delivered in a totally different way #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
4/16/2014 11:15 |
sorry i didn't use hashtag #eltchat - am here but not fulle there :-D |
| Ashowski |
4/16/2014 11:16 |
@sandymillin was recently thinking about getting more advanced Ts to explain why they did stuff in the way they did #delta #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
4/16/2014 11:16 |
@SLT_Kat @Shaunwilden @12Bst But for some Ts they are ALWAYS scary! #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
4/16/2014 11:16 |
@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C For me was positive aspects if classroom management. Made me conscious of it. #eltchat |
| languageeteach |
4/16/2014 11:17 |
@sandymillin Useful if the observer looks out for something specific, e.g. use of technology #eltchat |
| ChrisOzog |
4/16/2014 11:17 |
@Ashowski @sandymillin Interesting idea. A 'lesson report' swap shop could be organised, like a community of practice in a sense. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
4/16/2014 11:17 |
RT @Marisa_C: sorry i didn't use hashtag #eltchat - am here but not fulle there :-D - So normal then :-) |
| Marisa_C |
4/16/2014 11:17 |
RT @languageeteach: @sandymillin Useful if the observer looks out for something specific, e.g. use of technology #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
4/16/2014 11:17 |
RT @ChrisOzog: @Ashowski @sandymillin Interesting idea. A 'lesson report' swap shop could be organised, like a community of practice in a s… |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
4/16/2014 11:17 |
@Shaunwilden Sorry, don't get the question. #eltchat |
| cbsiskin |
4/16/2014 11:17 |
@ayatawel @Shaunwilden @sandymillin Sounds like some schools are using observation just as evaluation then. :-( #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
4/16/2014 11:17 |
@Marisa_C @Ashowski I think that the obs must be properly set with pre-obs meetings/chats betwn T and Obsr #eltchat |
| SLT_Kat |
4/16/2014 11:17 |
@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C Ultimately, we do it for the students. We need to ensure the BEST for them. They are the future #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
4/16/2014 11:18 |
@cbsiskin @ayatawel @sandymillin I think thats quite common place #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
4/16/2014 11:18 |
So far: useful, peer, scary, goals for obs. Maybe good structure for f/d would be 3 goals and then discuss how well achieved? #eltchat |
| ChrisOzog |
4/16/2014 11:18 |
@Shaunwilden @cbsiskin @ayatawel @sandymillin And shameful! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
4/16/2014 11:18 |
@languageeteach @sandymillin So we can ask observer to look out for specific areas in peer observation #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
4/16/2014 11:18 |
RT @Marisa_C: @languageeteach @sandymillin So we can ask observer to look out for specific areas in peer observation #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
4/16/2014 11:18 |
@hadalitim @marisa_c I've never heard of a pre-ob meeting - could be an interesting idea! #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
4/16/2014 11:19 |
@SLT_Kat Agreed but therefore is observation about whether we are actually doing that or not? #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
4/16/2014 11:19 |
@cbsiskin @ayatawel @Shaunwilden @sandymillin There are various types of obs, so perhaps some schools don't always get that #eltchat |
| ayatawel |
4/16/2014 11:19 |
#eltchat if we're ok about it, still how peers feel about it is an issue to consider |
| Shaunwilden |
4/16/2014 11:19 |
@Ashowski @hadalitim @marisa_c Surely a must for a productive observation? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
4/16/2014 11:19 |
@Ashowski @hadalitim it's normal practice - often referred to as the 'pre-conference' meeting in teflese #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
4/16/2014 11:19 |
I tend to get direct feedback from clients and if they are not happy they stop. #eltchat They also say what they like about lessons. |
| Marisa_C |
4/16/2014 11:19 |
RT @ditaphillips: @Marisa_C @Ashowski Usually you know what you want people to observe you for, tell them! #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
4/16/2014 11:19 |
RT @Marisa_C: @Ashowski @hadalitim it's normal practice - often referred to as the 'pre-conference' meeting in teflese #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
4/16/2014 11:20 |
@Ashowski @Marisa_C We always try and have them where I work. Makes for a much more fulfilling obs to me #eltchat |
| SLT_Kat |
4/16/2014 11:20 |
@HadaLitim @Shaunwilden @12Bst I know, I get that. Think building up a developmental relationship and experience takes the fear out.#eltchat |
| Ashowski |
4/16/2014 11:20 |
@marisa_c @hadalitim I think my DoS will reject the idea. Any writing on it on the net you know of? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
4/16/2014 11:20 |
@MarjorieRosenbe but clients may go for things not linked to ur performance but to your goals #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
4/16/2014 11:20 |
RT @ayatawel: @sandymillin @Shaunwilden Agree, I'm lucky 2 have joined a new work place and it's one of the requirements for first few mont… |
| BobK99 |
4/16/2014 11:20 |
RT @Ashowski @sandymillin ...go through every ... the lesson, describing it and then say what's wrong #eltchat ?! Not what's right? |
| ayatawel |
4/16/2014 11:20 |
@cbsiskin It's used as part of teacher training and PD.#eltchat |
| sandymillin |
4/16/2014 11:20 |
@Ashowski That sounds pretty traumatic (describing everything that’s wrong!) Observations need a particular focus #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
4/16/2014 11:20 |
@Ashowski @Marisa_C Is there not a standard procedure for observations where you work? #eltchat |
| ditaphillips |
4/16/2014 11:20 |
@MarjorieRosenbe As a freelancer, have you missed being observed? #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
4/16/2014 11:21 |
RT @SLT_Kat: @HadaLitim @Shaunwilden @12Bst I know, I get that. Think building up a developmental relationship and experience takes the fea… |
| Marisa_C |
4/16/2014 11:21 |
@Ashowski not handy - in most T-ED books and related lit #eltchat |
| languageeteach |
4/16/2014 11:21 |
@Marisa_C @sandymillin Yes and then give developmental feedback. Useful for teachers wishing to experiment with new approaches. #eltchat |
| pysproblem81 |
4/16/2014 11:21 |
What do people think of unannounced observations and 'learning walks' http://t.co/xateF15NBf - becoming more common in UK #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
4/16/2014 11:21 |
@SLT_Kat @Shaunwilden @12Bst Totally #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
4/16/2014 11:21 |
@bobk99 @sandymillin I also feel this isn't the correct procedure but he's boss not me - why so interested in this discussion :) #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
4/16/2014 11:21 |
@Marisa_C Can you give example? #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
4/16/2014 11:21 |
RT @sandymillin: @Ashowski That sounds pretty traumatic (describing everything that’s wrong!) Observations need a particular focus #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
4/16/2014 11:21 |
RT @SLT_Kat: @Shaunwilden @12Bst observations should be positive, consistent and NOT SCARY! #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
4/16/2014 11:22 |
@hadalitim @marisa_c there is a standard procedure but it doesn't follow what's being described here. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
4/16/2014 11:22 |
@languageeteach @sandymillin That's the idea - we have a collection of obs checklists & Ts choose or make one to give a colleague #eltchat |
| ChrisOzog |
4/16/2014 11:22 |
What about 'unobserved observation', with pre-conference meeting and then feedback being a discussion between teacher&'observer' #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
4/16/2014 11:22 |
@sandymillin @Ashowski And when it's agreed and understood prior to the obs it's even better )) #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
4/16/2014 11:22 |
@sandymillin @cecielt was that this year? I must check that out - on the iatefl website, right/ #eltchat |
| ChrisOzog |
4/16/2014 11:22 |
@Marisa_C @languageeteach @sandymillin Nice idea to have a bank of tasks - helps with standardisation too, if this is a convern #eltchat |
| SLT_Kat |
4/16/2014 11:22 |
@Shaunwilden Its about checking if that is the experience for those students and what can be done to make even better... #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
4/16/2014 11:22 |
RT @pysproblem81: What do people think of unannounced observations and 'learning walks' http://t.co/xateF15NBf - becoming more common in UK… |
| sandymillin |
4/16/2014 11:23 |
@Ashowski Asking Ts to think about WHY and not just WHAT or HOW is definitely one of the keys #eltchat |
| ayatawel |
4/16/2014 11:23 |
#eltchat Post obs feedback is a key element to ensure it was effective |
| sandymillin |
4/16/2014 11:23 |
RT @ChrisOzog: @Ashowski @sandymillin Interesting idea. A 'lesson report' swap shop could be organised, like a community of practice in a s… |
| Ashowski |
4/16/2014 11:23 |
RT @sandymillin: @Ashowski Asking Ts to think about WHY and not just WHAT or HOW is definitely one of the keys #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
4/16/2014 11:23 |
RT @HadaLitim: @Marisa_C @Ashowski I think that the obs must be properly set with pre-obs meetings/chats betwn T and Obsr #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
4/16/2014 11:23 |
@ayatawel Hmm not sure i agree with that #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
4/16/2014 11:23 |
RT @ayatawel: #eltchat Post obs feedback is a key element to ensure it was effective > Yes and BIG Q - how shd it be done best? |
| ditaphillips |
4/16/2014 11:23 |
RT @HadaLitim: @Marisa_C @Ashowski I think that the obs must be properly set with pre-obs meetings/chats betwn T and Obsr #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
4/16/2014 11:24 |
@ChrisOzog Only recently learnt about those so yet to try one out but the idea sounds great to me in some cases #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
4/16/2014 11:24 |
@chrisozog unobserved observation? so, the other person doesn't come in but there is the before and after discussion? #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
4/16/2014 11:24 |
RT @ChrisOzog: What about 'unobserved observation', with pre-conference meeting and then feedback being a discussion between teacher&'obser… |
| aClilToClimb |
4/16/2014 11:24 |
@HadaLitim Apologies! Forgot it was Wed! *bows head in shame* #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
4/16/2014 11:25 |
@ditaphillips @MarjorieRosenbe And have you ever done anything like video/audio observations of yourself? #eltchat Really helped me! |
| Marisa_C |
4/16/2014 11:25 |
@Ashowski @chrisozog Sounds like a Mario Rinvolucri idea to me - T narrates lesson to 'observer' & intense Q & A relveals issues #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
4/16/2014 11:25 |
@pysproblem81 we have 'drop-ins' at IH Torun but teachers don't like them #eltchat |
| ChrisOzog |
4/16/2014 11:25 |
@Ashowski Exactly. Used for development of the teacher, so they can focus on a point without the pressure of observer in the room #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
4/16/2014 11:25 |
@Ashowski @pysproblem81 Again that depends on the purpose of them #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
4/16/2014 11:25 |
@chrisozog I like this idea very much - I think my DoS would find flaws in it but it sounds like it could be beneficial #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
4/16/2014 11:25 |
@ChrisOzog Really liked that idea when I first heard about it from you at #ihdos14 - still haven’t tried it though! #eltchat Time... |
| ChrisOzog |
4/16/2014 11:25 |
@Marisa_C @Ashowski Not sure if it's Mario or not, but it needs a pre-class meeting and then feedback focused on the points raised #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
4/16/2014 11:25 |
RT @ChrisOzog: @Ashowski Exactly. Used for development of the teacher, so they can focus on a point without the pressure of observer in the… |
| pysproblem81 |
4/16/2014 11:26 |
@Ashowski interesting comparing idea of pre-discussion with unannounced drop-in.... #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
4/16/2014 11:26 |
@Ashowski @cecielt Don’t think it’s on the website, but hope Ceci will blog/has blogged about it. #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
4/16/2014 11:26 |
RT @Marisa_C: @Ashowski @chrisozog Sounds like a Mario Rinvolucri idea to me - T narrates lesson to 'observer' & intense Q & A relveals iss… |
| ditaphillips |
4/16/2014 11:26 |
@Marisa_C @ayatawel No one way. Depends on expectations and reasons for the obs. Generally positive, motivating, thoughtprovoking #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
4/16/2014 11:26 |
@Ashowski @pysproblem81 I don't like them either! Good job we don't have them where I work #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
4/16/2014 11:26 |
@ChrisOzog @Ashowski I know it's a Mario because I experience it in one of his T obs workshops #eltchat |
| ChrisOzog |
4/16/2014 11:27 |
@Ashowski A DoS will always find a flaw... but we teacher trainers won't... Ok, I won't. Try it out. Good to encourage reflection #eltchat |
| pysproblem81 |
4/16/2014 11:27 |
@Shaunwilden @Ashowski yes - is it about development or monitoring?.... or 'Catching-out' #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
4/16/2014 11:27 |
RT @ChrisOzog: @Ashowski A DoS will always find a flaw... but we teacher trainers won't... Ok, I won't. Try it out. Good to encourage refle… |
| Ashowski |
4/16/2014 11:27 |
@pysproblem81 @shaunwilden One would hope development :-) but sometimes it is catching out #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
4/16/2014 11:27 |
@pysproblem81 @Ashowski Well i can see there purpose to assess classes, levels etc #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
4/16/2014 11:28 |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @ayatawel: #eltchat Post obs feedback is a key element to ensure it was effective > Yes and BIG Q - how shd it be done be… |
| ayatawel |
4/16/2014 11:28 |
@Shaunwilden It's not all the time aim, but can be an asset esp 4 new teachers #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
4/16/2014 11:28 |
I have been experimenting with letting T read my lesson narrative/field notes to suggest OMIT-ADD-CHANGE points #eltchat works well |
| Shaunwilden |
4/16/2014 11:28 |
@pysproblem81 @Ashowski they also work well in inspection circumstances to get snapshot #eltchat |
| SLT_Kat |
4/16/2014 11:28 |
@ChrisOzog @HadaLitim interesting - lots now do drop in and it is about how to respond to what observed esp if development required #eltchat |
| ChrisOzog |
4/16/2014 11:28 |
@sandymillin Are you suggesting I'm repetitive..? #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
4/16/2014 11:28 |
RT @Marisa_C: @Ashowski @chrisozog Sounds like a Mario Rinvolucri idea to me - T narrates lesson to 'observer' & intense Q & A relveals iss… |
| HadaLitim |
4/16/2014 11:28 |
RT @ChrisOzog: @Marisa_C @Ashowski Not sure if it's Mario or not, but it needs a pre-class meeting and then feedback focused on the points … |
| HadaLitim |
4/16/2014 11:28 |
RT @Marisa_C: @ChrisOzog @Ashowski I know it's a Mario because I experience it in one of his T obs workshops #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
4/16/2014 11:29 |
@Marisa_C Nice idea, a bit like the unobserved observation technique #eltchat |
| ditaphillips |
4/16/2014 11:29 |
@sandymillin @MarjorieRosenbe Filmed couple of my lessons for other reasons, never thought of it as observation techniques but will #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
4/16/2014 11:29 |
@Marisa_C @ChrisOzog @Ashowski Thanks for the info Marisa! Will look it up further now I know where to look #eltchat |
| languageeteach |
4/16/2014 11:29 |
@pysproblem81 We used to have them but very unpopular and observees questioned the credibility of the observers #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
4/16/2014 11:29 |
RT @Marisa_C: I have been experimenting with letting T read my lesson narrative/field notes to suggest OMIT-ADD-CHANGE points #eltchat work… |
| HairyChef |
4/16/2014 11:29 |
Hi all. I really liked Cecilia's idea of making obs > 1 stand alone lesson #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
4/16/2014 11:29 |
@ChrisOzog Nope. Suggesting I need to be reminded constantly to do sth if people ever expect me to do it, not just add to list! ;) #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
4/16/2014 11:30 |
@Shaunwilden I call it "Marisa, the human Video" my trainees laugh and it kind of makes the experience less frightening #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
4/16/2014 11:30 |
RT @pysproblem81: @Shaunwilden @Ashowski yes - is it about development or monitoring?.... or 'Catching-out' #eltchat |
| pysproblem81 |
4/16/2014 11:30 |
@languageeteach - where I work many (announced) observations carried out by people from different subject areas - raises concerns #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
4/16/2014 11:30 |
@Shaunwilden but field notes must be non-judgmental and only record facts - sometimes quite hard for observer :-D #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
4/16/2014 11:31 |
@chrisozog @ihdubai yeah been living here for a few years now. Your roots from Poland? How is it at IH Dubai - awesome? rich? #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
4/16/2014 11:31 |
The British Council CPD framework can be useful for deciding goals for obs, depending on Ts' experience. http://t.co/yD9PjnTWLM #eltchat |
| ayatawel |
4/16/2014 11:31 |
@Marisa_C the best way is to choose a focus that helps each teacher acc to her needs #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
4/16/2014 11:31 |
@HadaLitim @pysproblem81 @Ashowski Sadly I do know of a school that had CCTV for that purpose #eltchat |
| SLT_Kat |
4/16/2014 11:31 |
@Ashowski @pysproblem81 @Shaunwilden oh no! Catching out - thats not good at all! :-( #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
4/16/2014 11:31 |
@EdLaur @sandymillin Yes! Loads! I feel this is when I started to really improvie as a teacher - by observing self on video #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
4/16/2014 11:31 |
@EdLaur I shared clips from the videos on my blog too so others can use them for obs http://t.co/zutrXdbB98 #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
4/16/2014 11:32 |
So has anyone ever received/given bad feedback session? what made it bad? #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
4/16/2014 11:32 |
@pysproblem81 @languageeteach Could it be because the procedure needs to be reviewed? #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
4/16/2014 11:32 |
@MarjorieRosenbe Haven't done this in a long time - getting the equipment where I work is complicated and we have short breaks. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
4/16/2014 11:32 |
@Marisa_C Yeah good point,thats hard as your teaching at the same time and so ‘emotional’ #eltchat |
| languageeteach |
4/16/2014 11:32 |
@pysproblem81 We have 'Prfofesional Learning Advisors', i.e. we don't know what to do with you so you can observe! #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
4/16/2014 11:32 |
@Shaunwilden @pysproblem81 @Ashowski That sounds terrible! Drop-ins suddenly sound more friendly #eltchat |
| EdLaur |
4/16/2014 11:33 |
“@MarjorieRosenbe: Wondering if or how this applies to freelancers #eltchat” mostly work with companies, no chance of peer ob! Miss it |
| sandymillin |
4/16/2014 11:33 |
@Shaunwilden @HadaLitim @pysproblem81 @Ashowski There’s a school here with CCTV in every room, and not for obs purposes! #eltchat Very sad |
| pysproblem81 |
4/16/2014 11:33 |
@HadaLitim @languageeteach I think the aim is for neutrality - but I'm not sure how 'deep' judgements can be #eltchat |
| HairyChef |
4/16/2014 11:33 |
@Marisa_C @EdLaur @sandymillin self-recording was very useful for me too - I only used dictophones... #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
4/16/2014 11:33 |
RT @HairyChef: @Marisa_C @EdLaur @sandymillin self-recording was very useful for me too - I only used dictophones... #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
4/16/2014 11:33 |
@ditaphillips Not really. Get evaluations from sts which I act on and corporate clients make it clear if they are learning. #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
4/16/2014 11:34 |
Curious - what did you learn from the videos? #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
4/16/2014 11:34 |
RT @HairyChef: @Marisa_C @EdLaur @sandymillin self-recording was very useful for me too - I only used dictophones... #eltchat |
| ayatawel |
4/16/2014 11:35 |
@Marisa_C @EdLaur @sandymillin can a teacher be natural in class when she is being videoed !! #eltchat |
| BobK99 |
4/16/2014 11:35 |
RT @EdLaur “@MarjorieRosenbe: ... if or how this applies to freelancers #eltchat” mostly work with co's, no ... peer ob! Miss it >Me too:-( |
| michaelegriffin |
4/16/2014 11:36 |
RT @ChrisOzog: What about 'unobserved observation', with pre-conference meeting and then feedback being a discussion between teacher&'obser… |
| HadaLitim |
4/16/2014 11:36 |
@MarjorieRosenbe So who observes if there's a student complaint? #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
4/16/2014 11:36 |
@Ashowski The most pointless feedback session I ever got was “That was great, nothing to change” #eltchat Not useful/true at all! But nice |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
4/16/2014 11:36 |
@ayatawel @Marisa_C @EdLaur @sandymillin Have been vidoed for presentations - also helpful. #eltchat but depends if you feel comfortable. |
| sandymillin |
4/16/2014 11:36 |
@MarjorieRosenbe Which equipment? I just used my camera/phone. Doesn’t have to be for a whole lesson. Even 5/10 mins is useful. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
4/16/2014 11:37 |
@ayatawel @EdLaur @sandymillin If video used often u get used to it - Ss too #eltchat but not first time |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
4/16/2014 11:37 |
@Ashowski Years ago teaching music in inner city school. Supervisor said kids sang too loud. #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
4/16/2014 11:37 |
@ayatawel @Marisa_C @EdLaur @sandymillin Most won't! So raises the question of to what extent should the obsr take that into cons #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
4/16/2014 11:37 |
@sandymillin so that's quite a positive experience (no negativity) but useless indeed #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
4/16/2014 11:37 |
@Ashowski I think what makes FB bad is that is in uninformed or irrelevant. #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
4/16/2014 11:37 |
@MarjorieRosenbe Noticed a lot of tics I have - move around all the time, pick up/put down pens etc #eltchat Also ask ‘ok’ a lot! |
| ayatawel |
4/16/2014 11:38 |
@Shaunwilden Unfortunately most CCTV classes aren't for obs or PD which should be the aim #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
4/16/2014 11:38 |
RT @sandymillin: @Ashowski The most pointless feedback session I ever got was “That was great, nothing to change” #eltchat Not useful/true … |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
4/16/2014 11:38 |
@sandymillin @Ashowski And if it is true? #eltchat Does every little thing we do need to be commented on? |
| sandymillin |
4/16/2014 11:38 |
@ayatawel When I videoed my lesson it was all a bit stilted for first few mins, then everyone forgot. #eltchat Audio - forgot immediately! |
| Ashowski |
4/16/2014 11:38 |
@marjorierosenbe big question there is what makes something 'irrelevant' cos my boss could find a relevance in anything :-/ #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
4/16/2014 11:38 |
@sandymillin @MarjorieRosenbe Have a look at this great idea in @HanaTicha 's blog http://t.co/cqb17zgaKx #eltchat self observation via vid |
| BobK99 |
4/16/2014 11:38 |
@sandymillin @MarjorieRosenbe ... I just used my camera/phone. ... Even 5/10 mins is useful. #eltchat >Even get S to do it? |
| sandymillin |
4/16/2014 11:39 |
@BobK99 @EdLaur @MarjorieRosenbe That’s why I shared my videos - know it can be difficult for people to see other Ts sometimes. #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
4/16/2014 11:39 |
@sandymillin True - we also tend to look at one side of room more than other. I try to be aware of this. #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
4/16/2014 11:39 |
@marjorierosenbe @sandymillin I don't think every thing needs to be commented on - just areas for focus - maybe 3 goals per obs? #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
4/16/2014 11:39 |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @Ashowski I think what makes FB bad is that is in uninformed or irrelevant. #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
4/16/2014 11:39 |
@sandymillin @MarjorieRosenbe Haha! Same here! Mine was moving towards the Std I speak to #eltchat |
| HairyChef |
4/16/2014 11:40 |
@sandymillin @ayatawel I found that voice recording (dictophone) made me reconstruct visual element of lessons when I listened back #eltchat |
| michaelegriffin |
4/16/2014 11:40 |
RT @sandymillin: @Ashowski #eltchat need to understand that not every T teaches in the same way, and that it’s their lesson, not yours |
| Shaunwilden |
4/16/2014 11:40 |
RT @HairyChef: @sandymillin @ayatawel I found that voice recording (dictophone) made me reconstruct visual element of lessons when I listen… |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
4/16/2014 11:40 |
@sandymillin Certainly an idea. Wonder what my sts would say. #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
4/16/2014 11:40 |
RT @Marisa_C: @sandymillin @MarjorieRosenbe Have a look at this great idea in @HanaTicha 's blog http://t.co/cqb17zgaKx #eltchat self obser… |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
4/16/2014 11:41 |
I think I need to broaden the idea for me - I actually get evaluated after every class and teacher training session. #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
4/16/2014 11:41 |
@sandymillin @marjorierosenbe so it's quality not quantity we're looking for #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
4/16/2014 11:42 |
Thornbury touched on the topic on this post - intervening during obs can be more productive http://t.co/ipAz5Sr6Tx #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
4/16/2014 11:42 |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: I think I need to broaden the idea for me - I actually get evaluated after every class and teacher training session. … |
| elawassell |
4/16/2014 11:42 |
RT @ditaphillips: @sandymillin @MarjorieRosenbe Filmed couple of my lessons for other reasons, never thought of it as observation technique… |
| sandymillin |
4/16/2014 11:42 |
RT @Marisa_C: @sandymillin @MarjorieRosenbe Have a look at this great idea in @HanaTicha 's blog http://t.co/cqb17zgaKx #eltchat self obser… |
| EdLaur |
4/16/2014 11:43 |
“@HadaLitim: @MarjorieRosenbe So who observes if there's a student complaint? #eltchat” And can sts give same quality feedback as a T? |
| HadaLitim |
4/16/2014 11:43 |
@MarjorieRosenbe Is this orally or through fb forms? #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
4/16/2014 11:43 |
@Marisa_C @sandymillin @HanaTicha Will take a look. Thks. #eltchat |
| michaelegriffin |
4/16/2014 11:43 |
RT @Marisa_C: @sandymillin @MarjorieRosenbe Have a look at this great idea in @HanaTicha 's blog http://t.co/cqb17zgaKx #eltchat self obser… |
| EdLaur |
4/16/2014 11:44 |
@sandymillin @Ashowski #eltchat Learning how to give good feedback is a must. |
| HairyChef |
4/16/2014 11:44 |
@Ashowski @sandymillin @MarjorieRosenbe quality v quantity. Isn't there something to be said for periods of intensive observations? #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
4/16/2014 11:44 |
@EdLaur @MarjorieRosenbe That was my point! I value sts' fb but Ts' fb and DoS' fb all have a place in PD I think #eltchat |
| ayatawel |
4/16/2014 11:44 |
#eltchat did we have another focus for the chat other than peer obs ! |
| sandymillin |
4/16/2014 11:44 |
@HairyChef Periods of intensive observations sound amazing in theory, but a bit of a logistical nightmare for the timetable! #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
4/16/2014 11:45 |
@HairyChef That’s why people learn so much during a face-to-face Delta course - they’re doing a lot of observation in a short time #eltchat |
| HairyChef |
4/16/2014 11:45 |
@EdLaur agreed! I've hear horror stories of mismanaged obs. Building on positives is an absolute #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
4/16/2014 11:45 |
@edlaur @sandymillin hoping to get ideas out of this discussion on how to give good feedback #eltchat |
| HairyChef |
4/16/2014 11:45 |
@sandymillin sorry I was talking about peer obs. Not necessarily obs by mentors/supervisors #eltchat |
| languageeteach |
4/16/2014 11:46 |
@EdLaur @sandymillin @Ashowski Definitely - how to read people, knowing when to balance comments. #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
4/16/2014 11:46 |
@hairychef @sandymillin @marjorierosenbe you favour these or not? #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
4/16/2014 11:46 |
@HairyChef No less logistically challenging! Still have to find time to do it… #eltchat |
| HairyChef |
4/16/2014 11:46 |
@sandymillin this kind of thing allows teachers to follow "threads" or "themes" between teachers/teaching styles #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
4/16/2014 11:47 |
What was the best feedback you ever had and why? #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
4/16/2014 11:47 |
@HairyChef Very true - what @CeciELT was saying about it being more useful to observe one peer many times, than many peers once #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
4/16/2014 11:47 |
@marjorierosenbe after every lesson? who does this evaluating? #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
4/16/2014 11:47 |
RT @ditaphillips: @HairyChef @sandymillin still a nightmare as someone has to cover #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
4/16/2014 11:47 |
@HadaLitim We all get them and discuss them, never had a major problem just things like too much HW or room too small. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
4/16/2014 11:48 |
@Marisa_C Any feedback that makes me aware is always good no matter who from #eltchat |
| HairyChef |
4/16/2014 11:48 |
@Marisa_C the best feedback for me has usually been self-directed I feel tense being lectured to #eltchat |
| pysproblem81 |
4/16/2014 11:48 |
@sandymillin @HairyChef Think DELTA obs model is best Prof Dev have ever done #eltchat |
| languageeteach |
4/16/2014 11:48 |
@ayatawel What about getting grades? We used to be graded 1 to 4 but now are placed 'red' for concern or green #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
4/16/2014 11:48 |
@Marisa_C From a trainee who liked the way I brought latecomers into the lesson with no fuss. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
4/16/2014 11:49 |
@Marisa_C the most detailed included the fbk - you ask too many questions to the left of the room! #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
4/16/2014 11:49 |
By the way, here’s an #eltchat summary on observations in general from 2012 http://t.co/2y4C2pPQ61 by @elawassell |
| Ashowski |
4/16/2014 11:49 |
@marisa_c When the Observer told what went well and the things which didn't I actually agreed on - we worked through it together #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
4/16/2014 11:49 |
RT @Marisa_C: What was the best feedback you ever had and why? #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
4/16/2014 11:49 |
RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C Any feedback that makes me aware is always good no matter who from #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
4/16/2014 11:49 |
@Marisa_C And from group of project managers who feel I understand topic as well as the language. Have just booked more lessons. #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
4/16/2014 11:49 |
@HairyChef If you’re being lectured to, then your observer probably isn’t being helpful. That guide/lead/don’t tell thing again #eltchat |
| HairyChef |
4/16/2014 11:49 |
@pysproblem81 I agree w phil on this one. The DELTA f/b model is very supportive, yet still probing if managed right #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
4/16/2014 11:49 |
@Marisa_C Focussed feedback with specific examples and qns that get me to reflect on my practice #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
4/16/2014 11:50 |
@Marisa_C Or from sts who say they finally understand something after struggling for years. #eltchat |
| ayatawel |
4/16/2014 11:50 |
@Marisa_C It was from my mentor when I did a lesson out of my comfort zone! constructive feedback with eye opening future plan#eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
4/16/2014 11:50 |
RT @sandymillin: By the way, here’s an #eltchat summary on observations in general from 2012 http://t.co/2y4C2pPQ61 by @elawassell |
| michaelegriffin |
4/16/2014 11:50 |
@Ashowski Here's my semi-collected posts on obs/feedback including bad experiences as FBgiver and receiver http://t.co/onNDMvaac2 #ELTchat |
| sandymillin |
4/16/2014 11:51 |
Also like this guide to observations from a certain @ChrisOzog in the IH Journal: http://t.co/eBck7ARRqS #eltchat |
| pysproblem81 |
4/16/2014 11:51 |
#eltchat - here's a Storify from #ukfechat on grades and observation: https://t.co/UdF0PP2Nnd |
| EdLaur |
4/16/2014 11:51 |
“@HadaLitim: Focussed feedback with specific examples and qns that get me to reflect on my practice #eltchat” Ideal!! I want that! ;-) |
| HairyChef |
4/16/2014 11:51 |
@sandymillin the one that gets me is "well according to (insert course name here" you really should be doing. (heard that 2 often) #eltchat |
| EdLaur |
4/16/2014 11:51 |
RT @sandymillin: Also like this guide to observations from a certain @ChrisOzog in the IH Journal: http://t.co/eBck7ARRqS #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
4/16/2014 11:51 |
RT @sandymillin: @HairyChef If you’re being lectured to, then your observer probably isn’t being helpful. That guide/lead/don’t tell thing … |
| michaelegriffin |
4/16/2014 11:51 |
RT @sandymillin: Also like this guide to observations from a certain @ChrisOzog in the IH Journal: http://t.co/eBck7ARRqS #eltchat |
| ayatawel |
4/16/2014 11:51 |
@languageeteach Yeah, we have grades 1-3 but I care more for the other detailed verbal or written feedback #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
4/16/2014 11:51 |
Is it bad that I’m struggling to think of really good feedback from an obs? #eltchat I’ve had 1 or 2 pointers, but never long-term plan |
| EdLaur |
4/16/2014 11:52 |
RT @pysproblem81: #eltchat - here's a Storify from #ukfechat on grades and observation: https://t.co/UdF0PP2Nnd |
| BobK99 |
4/16/2014 11:52 |
RT @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C ...you ask too many questions to the left of the room #eltchat >Useful! Need to visit the optician? :-) |
| HadaLitim |
4/16/2014 11:52 |
@EdLaur It takes a trained observer. Hence the importance of structured obs wth pre and post discussions #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
4/16/2014 11:52 |
@pysproblem81 @sandymillin @hairychef what is this model? Any info on it on the web? #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
4/16/2014 11:52 |
@HairyChef Fair enough! Tend to ignore those unless I think they actually have a point. As observee, you need to pick and choose #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
4/16/2014 11:52 |
RT @HadaLitim: @EdLaur It takes a trained observer. Hence the importance of structured obs wth pre and post discussions #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
4/16/2014 11:52 |
@sandymillin Maybe you know as much as they do? #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
4/16/2014 11:52 |
RT @michaelegriffin: @Ashowski Here's my semi-collected posts on obs/feedback including bad experiences as FBgiver and receiver http://t.co… |
| Shaunwilden |
4/16/2014 11:52 |
@BobK99 @Marisa_C No but I am naturally left sided so it was interesting to know :-) #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
4/16/2014 11:53 |
@michaelegriffin Thank you for this Mike! Will look forward to reading it :D #eltchat |
| HairyChef |
4/16/2014 11:53 |
@sandymillin I think another sign of good feedback is being pointed in the right direction. "What to do next" kind of thing #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
4/16/2014 11:53 |
RT @sandymillin: Also like this guide to observations from a certain @ChrisOzog in the IH Journal: http://t.co/eBck7ARRqS #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
4/16/2014 11:53 |
@sandymillin My last bosses have had far less classroom experience than I have. #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
4/16/2014 11:53 |
@Ashowski You’ll experience it during Mod 2 of Delta (you’re working towards it?) Not sure how @pysproblem81 @HairyChef describe #eltchat |
| ayatawel |
4/16/2014 11:53 |
RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C Any feedback that makes me aware is always good no matter who from #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
4/16/2014 11:53 |
@michaelegriffin @Ashowski Thanks, will have a look. #eltchat |
| pysproblem81 |
4/16/2014 11:54 |
#eltchat - (always) worth reading @samshep on observations http://t.co/LqDHWrDU5r |
| sandymillin |
4/16/2014 11:54 |
@MarjorieRosenbe Even when I was a beginner teacher? #eltchat Problem was they were all evaluative, d’ment was not main focus |
| sandymillin |
4/16/2014 11:54 |
RT @HairyChef: @sandymillin I think another sign of good feedback is being pointed in the right direction. "What to do next" kind of thing … |
| languageeteach |
4/16/2014 11:54 |
@ayatawel I don't like grades but my institution wants to weed out some of the 'weaker' teachers #eltchat |
| ditaphillips |
4/16/2014 11:54 |
RT @HairyChef: @sandymillin I think another sign of good feedback is being pointed in the right direction. "What to do next" kind of thing … |
| Shaunwilden |
4/16/2014 11:54 |
Last 5 mins of this #eltchat who’s going to volunteer for summary duties? |
| Ashowski |
4/16/2014 11:54 |
@sandymillin @pysproblem81 @hairychef starting Mod 2 in December 2014 at British Council in Warsaw #eltchat |
| michaelegriffin |
4/16/2014 11:54 |
@sandymillin @MarjorieRosenbe I think this whole development vs. evaluation thing cannot be overestimated. #ELTchat |
| sandymillin |
4/16/2014 11:54 |
@MarjorieRosenbe Big problem! And one I have here - supposed to observe more experienced Ts than me. #eltchat Hence idea of q’s, not telling |
| EdLaur |
4/16/2014 11:55 |
@HairyChef @sandymillin #eltchat And that topics to improve on be also included in whole department CPD-all can benefit and help each other |
| sandymillin |
4/16/2014 11:55 |
RT @EdLaur: @HairyChef @sandymillin #eltchat And that topics to improve on be also included in whole department CPD-all can benefit and hel… |
| Ashowski |
4/16/2014 11:55 |
@ELTchat I need to leave now to return to work. Thank you everyone for the great discussion! I've learnt a lot. #eltchat |
| HairyChef |
4/16/2014 11:55 |
@sandymillin Something like "based on what you did/what we ID'd in your lesson I suggest you read/watch/listen/try the following." #eltchat |
| Ashowski |
4/16/2014 11:55 |
@ELTchat @Marisa_C I can volunteer for the summary if you like :) #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
4/16/2014 11:55 |
RT @pysproblem81: #eltchat - (always) worth reading @samshep on observations http://t.co/LqDHWrDU5r |
| sandymillin |
4/16/2014 11:56 |
RT @pysproblem81: @Ashowski essay on lang point, crazily comprehensive plan for lesson,comprehensive feedback & reflection… #eltchat #delta |
| pysproblem81 |
4/16/2014 11:56 |
@sandymillin @Ashowski Did mine at UCL - as @HairyChef said - very supportive, but also very challenging #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
4/16/2014 11:56 |
@sandymillin Sounds like observers first need class in TD. #eltchat - could be PCE topic for next IATEFL. |
| ditaphillips |
4/16/2014 11:56 |
@MarjorieRosenbe @sandymillin therefore my best FB was from my DELTA tutors #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
4/16/2014 11:56 |
Do you recall any traumatic feedback? E.g. on my first course the trained started a question as follows "Why the h>>>l did you..." #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
4/16/2014 11:56 |
RT @HairyChef: @sandymillin Something like "based on what you did/what we ID'd in your lesson I suggest you read/watch/listen/try the follo… |
| sandymillin |
4/16/2014 11:57 |
@pysproblem81 @Ashowski @HairyChef Unf'ly, I found Delta better in theory than practice. Idea sounded good, but like pulling teeth! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
4/16/2014 11:57 |
@ditaphillips @MarjorieRosenbe @sandymillin this is common as experience - DELTA tutors are trained observers #ELTchat ususally |
| ayatawel |
4/16/2014 11:57 |
#eltchat Thank you everyone for your ideas .. will have to go now !! CU |
| HairyChef |
4/16/2014 11:57 |
@EdLaur @sandymillin observers really need to take the view of "ongoing" PD, not stand-alone lessons/observations #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
4/16/2014 11:57 |
@Ashowski @ELTchat @Marisa_C That's great! #eltchat |
| sandymillin |
4/16/2014 11:57 |
Great to be back. See you again soon (can’t make late time!) #eltchat |
| languageeteach |
4/16/2014 11:58 |
@sandymillin Comments on the content rather than my performance have been useful. I started to adopt a more critical view. #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
4/16/2014 11:58 |
@ayatawel Thanks Ayat Caht soon #eltchat |
| SLT_Kat |
4/16/2014 11:58 |
Brilliant #eltchat today!! |
| Marisa_C |
4/16/2014 11:58 |
@EdLaur lol... back in the days when ANYONE claiming to be a teacher trainer could be a teacher trainer!! #eltchat |
| BobK99 |
4/16/2014 11:58 |
RT @Marisa_C Do you recall any traumatic feedback? > How could I ever forget: "I'll never let you loose on my class again" #eltchat #pgce |
| HadaLitim |
4/16/2014 11:59 |
@HairyChef @EdLaur @sandymillin It really depends on the purpose of the obs though #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
4/16/2014 11:59 |
@sandymillin See you in two weeks then :-) #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
4/16/2014 11:59 |
@BobK99 DOS? #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
4/16/2014 11:59 |
Thanks everyone. Something to reflect on. Hopefully see you all next week. #eltchat |
| EdLaur |
4/16/2014 12:00 |
@Marisa_C Thankfully things are getting better for us all! Saves the ego from such useless and unhelpful battering! #eltchat |
| BobK99 |
4/16/2014 12:00 |
@Marisa_C No. Potential mentor. #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
4/16/2014 12:00 |
It was a great chat! Thanks everyone - lots to go over again See you next week at the later hour 21.00 BST #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
4/16/2014 12:00 |
@sandymillin Must be middle of the night for you now. #eltchat |
| ditaphillips |
4/16/2014 12:00 |
@Marisa_C terrified I might deliver one to my trainees unintentionally #eltchat |
| HairyChef |
4/16/2014 12:00 |
@HadaLitim @EdLaur @sandymillin yes, ultimately needs guided by preob consultation of some sort, and then by follow up/sugges'n #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
4/16/2014 12:01 |
Thanks for joining in this weeks #eltchat next week it’s at 21 BST |
| fionamau |
4/16/2014 12:01 |
I just missed #eltchat :( What was it about? What's and when's tonight's? |
| HairyChef |
4/16/2014 12:01 |
thanks everyone - sad I won't be able to make them weekly or fortnightly. Will follow as closely as I can #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
4/16/2014 12:01 |
@EdLaur Too true - incidentally same person was a brilliant teacher - being a great T doth not a good trainer maike #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
4/16/2014 12:01 |
@EdLaur @Marisa_C Used to be painful! #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
4/16/2014 12:01 |
@fionamau Only do it once a week now we alternate times so next week it’s the evening #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
4/16/2014 12:01 |
@ditaphillips @Marisa_C But taking part in the chats make us more aware. #eltchat Just got email from trainee. |
| Marisa_C |
4/16/2014 12:02 |
@MarjorieRosenbe @ditaphillips hopefully a nice one :-) #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
4/16/2014 12:02 |
@HairyChef @EdLaur @sandymillin yes or if pre-service, quality assurance, drop-in inspection, PD, Appraisal, end-of-contract #eltchat |
| fionamau |
4/16/2014 12:03 |
@Shaunwilden Aw. I can't normally do the evenings...only today cz of the hols. What was today's #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
4/16/2014 12:03 |
Thank you all for joining and @Ashowski for offering to do summary #eltchat - transcript up soon (moi or someone else pls?) |
| ditaphillips |
4/16/2014 12:03 |
Back to work! Lessons to observe and feedback on! Thanks #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
4/16/2014 12:04 |
@fionamau Was on observation #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
4/16/2014 12:04 |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @ditaphillips @Marisa_C But taking part in the chats make us more aware. #eltchat Just got email from trainee. |
| HairyChef |
4/16/2014 12:04 |
@EdLaur @sandymillin perhaps annonymous common "threads" from "rounds" or periods of obs need to be shared with whole departments? #eltchat |
| BobK99 |
4/16/2014 12:04 |
@fionamau #eltchat Only once a week, alt. am/pm. So next is next week later. |
| Marisa_C |
4/16/2014 12:04 |
@fionamau @Shaunwilden We talked about observation and good ways of giving feedback #eltchat |
| getgreatenglish |
4/16/2014 12:05 |
RT @SayHowDoYouDo: The soldier decided to desert his dessert in the desert - this pretty much sums up the strangeness of English. #engchat … |
| HadaLitim |
4/16/2014 12:06 |
@Marisa_C @Ashowski Thanks - good you made it Marisa. See, you couldn't resist )) Get well soon. Off to work now. #eltchat |
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