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The Future of Learning

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##ELTchat on 09/04/2014 - after Sugata Mitra's plenary talk at IAtefl Harrogate on the 'Future of Learning'

 

Read our post here for more links to other posts http://eltchat.org/wordpress/propose-a-topic/eltchat-is-back-21-00-bst-wednesday/

 

username utc date status
LeaSobocan 4/9/2014 19:58 @Shaunwilden Yay! finally! #ELTchat
HanaTicha 4/9/2014 19:58 @Shaunwilden Back on board #eltchat
Marisa_C 4/9/2014 19:59 This is Part 2 of Stanley Graham's posts on SM http://t.co/KQyYxzGx4P #ELTchat in case u can scan this quick quick
naomishema 4/9/2014 19:59 Hello there!#ELTchat
mary28sou 4/9/2014 20:00 I am here too, good evening #eltchat
muranava 4/9/2014 20:00 RT @elawassell: via Geoff Jordan - Newsflash: Hoey Well; Monitor Theory and Lexical Approach Still Dead http://t.co/PbTpOaUE8s #elt #eltchat
Marisa_C 4/9/2014 20:00 @naomishema @HanaTicha @LeaSobocan @Shaunwilden hello again :-) #ELTchat and welcome to this chat
HadaLitim 4/9/2014 20:01 Hi everyone ...again! #ELTchat
Ashowski 4/9/2014 20:01 I'm here this evening as well, looking forward to starting, I've watched the video and read the article  #ELTchat
Marisa_C 4/9/2014 20:01 Have you all watched the talk or at least read one of the posts? #ELTchat
LeaSobocan 4/9/2014 20:01 #ELTchat Am a bit scared of it, tbh ;) was there for the live plenary
HanaTicha 4/9/2014 20:01 @Marisa_C I have #eltchat
Shaunwilden 4/9/2014 20:02 @Marisa_C yes i have #ELTchat
Wiktor_K 4/9/2014 20:02 Hi all :) #ELTChat
Ashowski 4/9/2014 20:02 @marisa_c yes! it was very interesting #eltchat
Ashowski 4/9/2014 20:02 @hadalitim hi nada nice to have you here for our chat :-) #eltchat
Marisa_C 4/9/2014 20:02 @LeaSobocan why scared? That sounds as if you would like to say sth negative :-) #eltchat
ChristineMulla 4/9/2014 20:02 @Marisa_C Yep. Have watched 07 vid and on last 15 of plenary. #ELTchat #interesting
joannacre 4/9/2014 20:03 yeap #eltchat
Wiktor_K 4/9/2014 20:03 Watched it, read it...resolved to lurk and learn today, probably. #ELTChat
LeaSobocan 4/9/2014 20:03 No, I'm just feeling a bit Sugata Mitra'd out. Actually I think some of his ideas are not too bad. Don't kill me ;)  #ELTchat
Ashowski 4/9/2014 20:03 @marisa_c @leasobocan an idea too revolutionary? #eltchat
NinaEnglishBrno 4/9/2014 20:03 @Marisa_C yes, I´ve watched the talk and read quite a few blog posts and engaged in a few discussions on FB #eltchat
Ashowski 4/9/2014 20:03 RT @Wiktor_K: Watched it, read it...resolved to lurk and learn today, probably. #ELTChat
Marisa_C 4/9/2014 20:04 welcome all @Ashowski  @Wiktor_K - so what did you think of SM's vision of the future of education? #ELTchat
Ashowski 4/9/2014 20:04 @christinemulla @marisa_c what is 07 video? #eltchat
theteacherjames 4/9/2014 20:04 @LeaSobocan I like some of his ideas too, it’s the stuff about teachers I disagree with. #ELTchat
natibrandi 4/9/2014 20:04 Hello again #ELTchat
esolcourses 4/9/2014 20:04 Evening, all :-)  - RT @Marisa_C: Have you all watched the talk or at least read one of the posts? Yep.  #ELTchat
Ashowski 4/9/2014 20:05 @marisa_c @wiktor_k it really struck a chord with me! I enjoy TBL in the classroom so this seemed like extension of that #eltchat
ChristineMulla 4/9/2014 20:05 Teaching still happens though. There was guidance as far as I can understand. #ELTchat
Ashowski 4/9/2014 20:05 @marisa_c @wiktor_k I also like the idea of embracing technology and flipped classrooms #eltchat
Marisa_C 4/9/2014 20:05 @LeaSobocan no bloodshed have promised #ELTchat
Ashowski 4/9/2014 20:05 @marisa_c @wiktor_k what about you guys? #eltchat
muranava 4/9/2014 20:05 #eltchat no of words in comments to mitra posts nearly same as posts 13477 to 16586; top keyword in comments- teacher, in posts - mitra
HanaTicha 4/9/2014 20:05 @Ashowski @marisa_c @wiktor_k And I'm a fan of social constructivism so OK with me too #eltchat
natibrandi 4/9/2014 20:05 @LeaSobocan agree. The idea of 1 computer every group of children instead of one laptop per child. Kids' solving problem capacity #ELTchat
Ashowski 4/9/2014 20:06 RT @HanaTicha: @Ashowski @marisa_c @wiktor_k And I'm a fan of social constructivism so OK with me too #eltchat
Wiktor_K 4/9/2014 20:06 I was surprised by the fact that I wasn't surprised. He basically re-capped his 2013 TED speech. Plenty of time for this to sink in #ELTChat
LeaSobocan 4/9/2014 20:06 @theteacherjames Too true, it can be agreed the system needs revamping, right? #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 4/9/2014 20:06 @theteacherjames @LeaSobocan yeah me too, i think the idea of asking questions, setting projects soto speak is not really that new #ELTchat
ChristineMulla 4/9/2014 20:06 @Ashowski @Marisa_C It's a 20 minute TED of the hour long plenary really. #eltchat http://t.co/BUKgNC7J1C
Marisa_C 4/9/2014 20:07 My own feeling is that he is expressing a prediction - when or how this will happen not clear or certain - could be 1000 yrs #ELTchat
LeaSobocan 4/9/2014 20:07 @natibrandi But not without a teacher, otherwise they just off and play videogames. #ELTchat
natibrandi 4/9/2014 20:07 @theteacherjames @LeaSobocan in the interview he says maybe it's the role that should be dif, not just do away with the teacher #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 4/9/2014 20:07 @Wiktor_K Yes i have seen / heard it twice in person before, it was interesting to hear in elt environ though and hear reaction #ELTchat
naomishema 4/9/2014 20:07 I like some of what he said but sure some of  special need kids never managed to push their way & reach the comp. in wall. #eltchat
Ashowski 4/9/2014 20:08 @eltchat I had impression that Mitra had caused a ruckus in ELT world but watched his plenary and it seems sound to me #eltchat
HanaTicha 4/9/2014 20:08 @muranava @Ashowski @Marisa_C @Wiktor_K I wouldn't say so. Kids got together chaotically but learn constructiv. #eltchat
natibrandi 4/9/2014 20:08 @Shaunwilden @theteacherjames @LeaSobocan neither the SOLES, but he's done his research. #ELTchat
TESOLacademic 4/9/2014 20:08 I think the idea of asking questions, setting projects soto speak is not really that new #ELTchat agreed I'm surprised at the surprise
Marisa_C 4/9/2014 20:08 @muranava of course chaos theory debating whole framework of  education - curricula etc - #ELTchat
naomishema 4/9/2014 20:09 @HanaTicha @muranava @Ashowski @Marisa_C @Wiktor_K I was expected to learn math by experimenting with other kids. dismal failure. #ELTchat
ChristineMulla 4/9/2014 20:09 Do you think the children would be able to put their learning into practice? (eg molecular biology) #ELTchat
Ashowski 4/9/2014 20:09 @hanaticha @muranava @marisa_c @wiktor_k helped each other to learn. whether chaotically or constructedly, learning goals were met #eltchat
LeaSobocan 4/9/2014 20:09 #ELTchat Kids learn when they're motivated, left alone they will inevitably slack off. Unless they have internal motivation, that is.
Marisa_C 4/9/2014 20:09 @TESOLacademic very true, not new at all #ELTchat
theteacherjames 4/9/2014 20:09 @Shaunwilden @LeaSobocan Exactly Shaun, those bit I agree with aren’t that revolutionary. #ELTchat
Ashowski 4/9/2014 20:09 @naomishema @hanaticha @muranava @marisa_c @wiktor_k it won't work for everyone of course, no one size fits all #eltchat
harrisonmike 4/9/2014 20:09 RT @muranava: #eltchat no of words in comments to mitra posts nearly same as posts 13477 to 16586; top keyword in comments- teacher, in pos…
RobrtELT 4/9/2014 20:09 Hi teachers #ELTchat
LouiseRobertson 4/9/2014 20:10 RT @Ashowski: @eltchat I had impression that Mitra had caused a ruckus in ELT world but watched his plenary and it seems sound to me #eltch…
Marisa_C 4/9/2014 20:10 @ChristineMulla good question - would they be able to use knowledge #eltchat - e,g. casual reading of medical texts produces doctors?
ChristineMulla 4/9/2014 20:10 @Ashowski @HanaTicha @muranava @Marisa_C @Wiktor_K But do you think the learning could be used? #ELTchat
harrisonmike 4/9/2014 20:10 RT @Shaunwilden: @theteacherjames @LeaSobocan yeah me too, i think the idea of asking questions, setting projects soto speak is not really …
muranava 4/9/2014 20:10 @Marisa_C i think chaos "theory" as a theory of learning is dubious at best #ELTchat
RobrtELT 4/9/2014 20:10 @TESOLacademic Kinda weird, but it can work #ELTchat
HanaTicha 4/9/2014 20:10 What struck me was the imlication that T's presence can actually hinder learning. I can't say I disagree totally #eltchat
ChristineMulla 4/9/2014 20:11 @LeaSobocan Agreed. #ELTchat
naomishema 4/9/2014 20:11 RT @HanaTicha: What struck me was the imlication that T's presence can actually hinder learning. I can't say I disagree totally #eltchat
natibrandi 4/9/2014 20:11 @LeaSobocan but the teacher has to come up with a good problem or idea that will keep them on task #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 4/9/2014 20:11 @muranava @Marisa_C Oh i don’t know you should see some of my lessons when they don’t go to plan #ELTchat
LeaSobocan 4/9/2014 20:11 @HanaTicha True, I've had my share of mind-numbing teachers, but most kids need me to push them to learn #ELTchat
LouiseRobertson 4/9/2014 20:11 RT @natibrandi: @LeaSobocan but the teacher has to come up with a good problem or idea that will keep them on task #ELTchat
Marisa_C 4/9/2014 20:11 @muranava somehow not convinced that 5 mins of staring at a computer produces a download #ELTchat and this not generaliseable
Shaunwilden 4/9/2014 20:12 RT @HanaTicha: What struck me was the imlication that T's presence can actually hinder learning. I can't say I disagree totally #eltchat
Wiktor_K 4/9/2014 20:12 If it was just about motivation, then the value of a computer on a wall is meagre...novelty wears off soon. It's more than that. #ELTChat
natibrandi 4/9/2014 20:12 @theteacherjames @Shaunwilden @LeaSobocan i think the revolutionary bit is his research to support it. Maybe? #ELTchat
ChristineMulla 4/9/2014 20:12 @HanaTicha I don't disagree either, though without a guide Ss likely to learn what they want. Is this enough? #ELTchat
LeaSobocan 4/9/2014 20:12 @natibrandi True, but also offer help when needed, otherwise the slow learners get discouraged and go and play games #ELTchat
RobrtELT 4/9/2014 20:12 @Aranza_Vega Claudia the #ELTchat is happening worldwide ... Get in here
Ashowski 4/9/2014 20:12 @christinemulla @hanaticha @muranava @marisa_c @wiktor_k applying what they learnt in the real world? the skills definitely could #eltchat
TESOLacademic 4/9/2014 20:12 Just ideas to challenge us along with many eg acquisition over learning,  post method condition,  input doesn't equal output etc #ELTchat
HanaTicha 4/9/2014 20:13 @LeaSobocan Maybe it's not that Ts are mind-dumbing. Kids just feel they rescrict them in their exploration endeavours #eltchat
Ashowski 4/9/2014 20:13 @robrtelt hi robert! welcome to the chat! #eltchat
LouiseRobertson 4/9/2014 20:13 #ELTchat  Montessori has been doing this for years #sole
Ashowski 4/9/2014 20:13 RT @LeaSobocan: #ELTchat Kids learn when they're motivated, left alone they will inevitably slack off. Unless they have internal motivation…
natibrandi 4/9/2014 20:13 @Wiktor_K motivation and collaboration, good tasks so they stay on task! Good point #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 4/9/2014 20:13 @natibrandi @theteacherjames @LeaSobocan wats revolutionary about it ? Sts learn better when guided, that’s teaching #ELTchat
LeaSobocan 4/9/2014 20:13 @ChristineMulla @HanaTicha The question for me is, will they learn at all? #ELTchat
Pearson_ELT 4/9/2014 20:13 @LeaSobocan SM said increased learner autonomy leads to motivation. I agree with u need a lot of internal motivation in 1st place. #ELTchat
theteacherjames 4/9/2014 20:13 @natibrandi @Shaunwilden @LeaSobocan I’m not sure there is enough evidence to support anything at the moment. #ELTchat
naomishema 4/9/2014 20:13 RT @Shaunwilden: @natibrandi @theteacherjames @LeaSobocan wats revolutionary about it ? Sts learn better when guided, that’s teaching #ELTc…
HadaLitim 4/9/2014 20:13 @ChristineMulla @HanaTicha My thoght exactly #ELTchat
bpiki 4/9/2014 20:13 RT @LouiseRobertson: #ELTchat  Montessori has been doing this for years #sole
LeaSobocan 4/9/2014 20:14 @HanaTicha A very good point, agree wholeheartedly! #ELTchat
Wiktor_K 4/9/2014 20:14 @natibrandi Thing is, CALL & TBL have been around in ELT for ages, doing this job. So what was the ruckus all about then? #ELTChat
Shaunwilden 4/9/2014 20:14 RT @Wiktor_K: @natibrandi Thing is, CALL & TBL have been around in ELT for ages, doing this job. So what was the ruckus all about then? #EL…
esolcourses 4/9/2014 20:14 RT @Shaunwilden: @natibrandi @theteacherjames @LeaSobocan wats revolutionary about it ? Sts learn better when guided, that’s teaching #ELTc…
Marisa_C 4/9/2014 20:14 @natibrandi @Wiktor_K I think the group is significant (in front of the computer) not the individual child #ELTchat
LeaSobocan 4/9/2014 20:14 @Pearson_ELT I work in a public school system, motivation is not a given in my context #ELTchat
naomishema 4/9/2014 20:14 tiny tots have lots of motivation to learn, sometimes school decreases that... #ELTchat
Ashowski 4/9/2014 20:14 @marisa_c it seems this is the direction the industry is going in, #dogme comes to mind and TBL #eltchat
RobrtELT 4/9/2014 20:14 @TESOLacademic Just came across this amazing website http://t.co/mtolRSMWaX#eltchat
LouiseRobertson 4/9/2014 20:15 #ELTchat so teachers will inspire and guide, listen and coach - sounds like a sustainable future to me @Sugatam
NinaEnglishBrno 4/9/2014 20:15 My view is that SM suggests learning environment where the teacher only facilitates learning and becomes a supportive coach #eltchat
LeaSobocan 4/9/2014 20:15 @theteacherjames @natibrandi @Shaunwilden Would there be any interest in funding more research, though? #ELTchat
natibrandi 4/9/2014 20:15 @Shaunwilden @theteacherjames @LeaSobocan they are guided, when introduced to a challenge or task, and let's not forget remoteness #ELTchat
ChristineMulla 4/9/2014 20:15 @Ashowski @HanaTicha @muranava @Marisa_C @Wiktor_K The skills maybe, but the facts for example? #ELTchat
naomishema 4/9/2014 20:15 RT @natibrandi: @Shaunwilden @theteacherjames @LeaSobocan they are guided, when introduced to a challenge or task, and let's not forget rem…
Ashowski 4/9/2014 20:15 @leasobocan @hanaticha I've never had to push any of my learners (kids) to learn, we just do it together in class in a fun way #eltchat
Shaunwilden 4/9/2014 20:15 @LouiseRobertson I don’t disagree with that but it’s how that’s achieved #ELTchat
joannacre 4/9/2014 20:16 @LeaSobocan @ChristineMulla @HanaTicha just because they found an answer to a question doesn't mean they 'learnt' it #eltchat
RobrtELT 4/9/2014 20:16 Students only think project-based-learning is a break from daily English classes. Thoughts? #ELTchat
AskHarrogate 4/9/2014 20:16 Via @natibrandi: #ELTchat i wasn't in Harrogate so i've questions mybe those who were there alredy discussed: is he saying we eon't need ...
EdLaur 4/9/2014 20:16 RT @Pearson_ELT: @LeaSobocan SM said increased learner autonomy leads to motivation. I agree with u need a lot of internal motivation in 1s…
mary28sou 4/9/2014 20:16 His scientific method seems to lack a control group (children who didn't learn well on their own with a computer). #eltchat
TESOLacademic 4/9/2014 20:16 @theteacherjames: @natibrandi @Shaunwilden @LeaSobocan ...not ...enough evidence ... #ELTchat SLA is theory less and theory laden (Pica)
naomishema 4/9/2014 20:16 RT @mary28sou: His scientific method seems to lack a control group (children who didn't learn well on their own with a computer). #eltchat
Marisa_C 4/9/2014 20:16 @Wiktor_K  not sure why some people up in arms - Sugata Mitra's work does raise Qs abt education as is now #ELTchat
natibrandi 4/9/2014 20:16 @Shaunwilden  i've seen classes in what he calls remote areas in Uruguay, there was a kid with a bullet, no one cared about the T #ELTchat
theteacherjames 4/9/2014 20:16 @LeaSobocan @natibrandi @Shaunwilden TED have given him a million dollars, so there better be some evidence! #ELTchat
LeaSobocan 4/9/2014 20:16 @Ashowski @hanaticha Lucky you, I teach teenagers, some kids have different goals for their immediate future. #ELTchat
muranava 4/9/2014 20:17 @LouiseRobertson @Sugatam erm i want to know things who can teach me? :/ #ELTchat
HadaLitim 4/9/2014 20:17 RT @Ashowski: @christinemulla @hanaticha @muranava @marisa_c @wiktor_k applying what they learnt in the real world? the skills definitely c…
ChristineMulla 4/9/2014 20:17 RT @Shaunwilden: @natibrandi @theteacherjames @LeaSobocan wats revolutionary about it ? Sts learn better when guided, that’s teaching #ELTc…
HanaTicha 4/9/2014 20:17 BTW, this #eltchat looks like an organized chaos to me at the moment . And look how much we can learn together :-)
Shaunwilden 4/9/2014 20:17 @natibrandi @theteacherjames @LeaSobocan remoteness as in Skype is solution? #ELTchat
Ashowski 4/9/2014 20:17 @pearson_elt @leasobocan doesn't the motivation come from the group and the overall excitement? #eltchat
LouiseRobertson 4/9/2014 20:17 #ELTchat there will be challenges but if you look at how the IB system works a lot of SOLE thinking is embodied on the way it is taught
naomishema 4/9/2014 20:17 Isn't it good for a speaker to be a bit provactive? he got tons of people talking! maybe he purposely made it seem extreme? #ELTchat
Wiktor_K 4/9/2014 20:17 @HanaTicha I ain't learning yet, try harder everyone ;) #ELTChat
Ashowski 4/9/2014 20:17 @pearson_elt @leasobocan i think that was his argument: the excitement and motivation is from a group dynamic hence in 4's or 5's #eltchat
Marisa_C 4/9/2014 20:17 @muranava @LouiseRobertson @Sugatam find some friends and a computer - #eltchat inevitable u will learn sth
natibrandi 4/9/2014 20:18 @RobrtELT depends on the project? Or they might think that initially. #ELTchat
LouiseRobertson 4/9/2014 20:18 RT @Marisa_C: @muranava @LouiseRobertson @Sugatam find some friends and a computer - #eltchat inevitable u will learn sth
Ashowski 4/9/2014 20:18 RT @Marisa_C: @natibrandi @Wiktor_K I think the group is significant (in front of the computer) not the individual child #ELTchat
MarjorieRosenbe 4/9/2014 20:18 RT @naomishema: Isn't it good for a speaker to be a bit provactive? he got tons of people talking! maybe he purposely made it seem extreme?…
esolcourses 4/9/2014 20:18 RT @naomishema: Isn't it good for a speaker to be a bit provactive? he got tons of people talking! maybe he purposely made it seem extreme?…
LeaSobocan 4/9/2014 20:18 @Ashowski @pearson_elt Not always, if the group has enough unmotivated members, the motivated ones tend to be suppressed. #ELTchat
Ashowski 4/9/2014 20:18 RT @NinaEnglishBrno: My view is that SM suggests learning environment where the teacher only facilitates learning and becomes a supportive …
natibrandi 4/9/2014 20:18 @Shaunwilden @theteacherjames @LeaSobocan haha, or candy crash? Doesn't he refer to poor scenarios as remote? #ELTchat
EdLaur 4/9/2014 20:18 “@LeaSobocan: some kids have different goals for their immediate future. #ELTchat” Depends on how relevant they see subject, doesn't it
duygucandarli 4/9/2014 20:18 @RobrtELT That is true, but it should be our task to change their perceptions about project-based learning in classes. #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 4/9/2014 20:19 @naomishema Agree it was the perfect plenary to provoke discussion #ELTchat
MarjorieRosenbe 4/9/2014 20:19 Hi everyone.  Just got back to hotel in Vienna.  What have I missed? #eltchat
Wiktor_K 4/9/2014 20:19 @LouiseRobertson ...or, unfortunately, watch all the cat videos there are. A computer does not a learning make, imho. #ELTChat
HanaTicha 4/9/2014 20:19 @Wiktor_K I am learning - to navigate through the chaos. Trying to keep up. That's what it's about. The process not the outcome #eltchat
Marisa_C 4/9/2014 20:19 @Ashowski good parallel unplugged, chaos and knowledge emerges #ELTchat
ChristineMulla 4/9/2014 20:19 @Shaunwilden @natibrandi @theteacherjames @LeaSobocan Seems quite obvious - T guides with encouragement - fosters learning. #ELTchat
Ashowski 4/9/2014 20:19 @christinemulla @hanaticha @muranava @marisa_c @wiktor_k half  facts we learn in school aren't use outside of school biology e.g. #eltchat
Wiktor_K 4/9/2014 20:19 RT @HanaTicha: @Wiktor_K I am learning - to navigate through the chaos. Trying to keep up. That's what it's about. The process not the outc…
natibrandi 4/9/2014 20:19 @Marisa_C @Wiktor_K yeah, allows for reflection. Governments could've saved money instead of investing in one laptop per child #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 4/9/2014 20:19 @MarjorieRosenbe Everything :-) #ELTchat
naomishema 4/9/2014 20:19 In groups there are often some who take over. I sat back & didn't learn math as a kid in open school - didn't need to! #ELTchat
EdLaur 4/9/2014 20:20 RT @LouiseRobertson: #ELTchat so teachers will inspire and guide, listen and coach - sounds like a sustainable future to me @Sugatam
LeaSobocan 4/9/2014 20:20 @EdLaur True, but sometimes what they think is relevant and what life will teach them is relevant are two different things #ELTchat
Marisa_C 4/9/2014 20:20 I think what we re doing right now is chaos - we are collaborating and figuring out stuff - so we are applying his theory #ELTchat
ChristineMulla 4/9/2014 20:20 @HanaTicha Awesome you picked up on that. I'm speaking about #chats on Sat and I'm going to use his chaos comment. #ELTchat
Ashowski 4/9/2014 20:20 @leasobocan @hanaticha I teach teenagers and they are forced by parents. now they enjoy class cos it's fun but educational #eltchat
muranava 4/9/2014 20:20 RT @Wiktor_K: @LouiseRobertson ...or, unfortunately, watch all the cat videos there are. A computer does not a learning make, imho. #ELTChat
LeaSobocan 4/9/2014 20:20 @ChristineMulla @Shaunwilden @natibrandi @theteacherjames Yes, agreed, so no doing away with the T ;) #ELTchat
Wiktor_K 4/9/2014 20:20 @Marisa_C So a summary writer still acts as a good teacher here ! #ELTChat
esolcourses 4/9/2014 20:21 RT @Marisa_C: I think what we re doing right now is chaos - we are collaborating and figuring out stuff - so we are applying his theory #EL…
Ashowski 4/9/2014 20:21 @leasobocan @pearson_elt wouldn't it be the motivated ones would suppress the party-pooper? that's what happens socially #eltchat
Ven_VVE 4/9/2014 20:21 @Marisa_C All you need is a granny. :)) #eltchat
HanaTicha 4/9/2014 20:21 @Wiktor_K @Marisa_C Summary writer is the one who presents the results #eltchat
ChristineMulla 4/9/2014 20:21 So does anyone think it's revolutionary - or is it just 'good parenting' in a sense? #ELTchat
naomishema 4/9/2014 20:21 @Marisa_C but aren't the moderators keeping us on track every chat? like teachers? #ELTchat We have great moderators u know, LOL!
Marisa_C 4/9/2014 20:21 you are all doing beautifully well!! #ELTchat
Ashowski 4/9/2014 20:21 RT @Marisa_C: @Ashowski good parallel unplugged, chaos and knowledge emerges #ELTchat
LouiseRobertson 4/9/2014 20:21 @Wiktor_K agree but a computer is an ontegral part of our children's future #ELTchat
ESLlibrary 4/9/2014 20:21 RT @naomishema: Isn't it good for a speaker to be a bit provactive? he got tons of people talking! maybe he purposely made it seem extreme?…
Shaunwilden 4/9/2014 20:21 @ChristineMulla certainly interesting not sure about revolutionary #ELTchat
NinaEnglishBrno 4/9/2014 20:21 Anyone else feels like this is the most exciting time in a long time for our profession? #eltchat
Ashowski 4/9/2014 20:21 RT @Marisa_C: I think what we re doing right now is chaos - we are collaborating and figuring out stuff - so we are applying his theory #EL…
mary28sou 4/9/2014 20:21 Good to be applying his theories with common sense, trying not to misinterpret. #eltchat
muranava 4/9/2014 20:22 @natibrandi @Marisa_C @Wiktor_K or gov put money in outside school factors which would have much more impact on education #ELTchat
HadaLitim 4/9/2014 20:22 RT @HanaTicha: BTW, this #eltchat looks like an organized chaos to me at the moment . And look how much we can learn together :-)
Marisa_C 4/9/2014 20:22 I love your ideas!!! #ELTchat
Ashowski 4/9/2014 20:22 @marisa_c something we do potentially every #eltchat and we're using technology :-)
natibrandi 4/9/2014 20:22 @LeaSobocan @ChristineMulla  @theteacherjames defo not do away with the T but he is talking about special scenarios too #ELTchat
Ashowski 4/9/2014 20:22 RT @HanaTicha: @Wiktor_K I am learning - to navigate through the chaos. Trying to keep up. That's what it's about. The process not the outc…
ESLlibrary 4/9/2014 20:22 @naomishema That's how I felt when I heard him speak at the last online conference. Couldn't hear the gasps, though. #ELTChat
Marisa_C 4/9/2014 20:22 @Ashowski exactly #ELTchat
MarjorieRosenbe 4/9/2014 20:22 @Shaunwilden So I will have to read the summary? Just went back to look at tweets. #eltchat
LeaSobocan 4/9/2014 20:22 @Ashowski @pearson_elt If there's 1 party pooper, yes.My point:groups r  different need a professional2guide them. #ELTchat
Wiktor_K 4/9/2014 20:22 @NinaEnglishBrno For sure. Feels this way across the board...teaching, training, publishing, learning. #ELTChat
theteacherjames 4/9/2014 20:22 RT @LouiseRobertson: #ELTchat  Montessori has been doing this for years #sole
Ashowski 4/9/2014 20:23 @naomishema now that is thinking outside the box! #eltchat
EdLaur 4/9/2014 20:23 “@naomishema: Isn't it good for a speaker to be a bit provactive? he got tons of people talking! #ELTchat” So true!
natibrandi 4/9/2014 20:23 @muranava @Marisa_C @Wiktor_K schools need money tho, at least this side of the world, but dont know if on thaaaaat many laptops #ELTchat
LeaSobocan 4/9/2014 20:23 @Ven_VVE @Marisa_C This is the bit I disagree with I think ;) Project learning,self-regulated learning etc=good #ELTchat
HanaTicha 4/9/2014 20:23 I just love the idea of observing the kids/learners and see what happens. One needs to be very patient to stand this #eltchat
Marisa_C 4/9/2014 20:23 RT @EdLaur: “@naomishema: Isn't it good for a speaker to be a bit provactive? he got tons of people talking! #ELTchat” So true!>ANd thinking
ChristineMulla 4/9/2014 20:23 @Ashowski @Marisa_C Ooo, good point. I was motivated to learn how to #eltchat - I learned how myself. -Granny. #ELTchat
naomishema 4/9/2014 20:23 but if we continue to use #eltchat as an example, think of the huge number of teachers who don't join even though they have computers
Shaunwilden 4/9/2014 20:23 @NinaEnglishBrno I like the debate it caused, it made Sat morning atmosphere electric-exciting we’re all discussing the same thing #ELTchat
LouiseRobertson 4/9/2014 20:24 #ELTchat every child deserves a granny or mentor
Shaunwilden 4/9/2014 20:24 @MarjorieRosenbe No no sorry was teasing - we’re discussion if it was revolutionary or not #ELTchat
HanaTicha 4/9/2014 20:24 @naomishema That's it. Some don't join now but they will next time. Power of choice #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 4/9/2014 20:24 @naomishema @Marisa_C Agree totally. We need the moderators. Maybe that's what the teachers who stood by did? #eltchat
LouiseRobertson 4/9/2014 20:24 RT @mary28sou: Good to be applying his theories with common sense, trying not to misinterpret. #eltchat
Marisa_C 4/9/2014 20:24 Socieies - classes - quality circles - we all do the same thing, don't we? A conference what else is it but chaotic learning? #ELTchat
Ashowski 4/9/2014 20:24 @leasobocan @pearson_elt @Marisa_C  sounds old-fashioned. Look at the online group of teachers tweeting, blogging, no guider here #eltchat
natibrandi 4/9/2014 20:24 @naomishema and isn't #eltchat about collaboration?
Wiktor_K 4/9/2014 20:24 OK, big question here: why is it all only about children? What are we assuming / taking 4 granted with adults? #ELTChat
Ven_VVE 4/9/2014 20:24 Any research on how parents/guardians see this? Would they send children to school in cloud? #eltchat
LeaSobocan 4/9/2014 20:24 @naomishema Valid point here, motivation, see! #ELTchat
Ashowski 4/9/2014 20:24 RT @ChristineMulla: @Ashowski @Marisa_C Ooo, good point. I was motivated to learn how to #eltchat - I learned how myself. -Granny. #ELTchat
HadaLitim 4/9/2014 20:25 @LouiseRobertson Yes but not to replace their teacher #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 4/9/2014 20:25 @Ashowski @leasobocan @pearson_elt @Marisa_C apart from us mods to make sure you stay on track ;-) #ELTchat
natibrandi 4/9/2014 20:25 @MarjorieRosenbe @naomishema @Marisa_C and that leads to the different roles he talks about, right? Agreed #ELTchat moderators, what else?
Marisa_C 4/9/2014 20:25 @Wiktor_K but not just about children - this waht we toohave been doing for the last 25 minutes #ELTchat
LeaSobocan 4/9/2014 20:25 @Ashowski @pearson_elt @Marisa_C Because we have internal motivation to progress #ELTchat
LouiseRobertson 4/9/2014 20:25 @Shaunwilden @NinaEnglishBrno #ELTchat I was one of the first to my feet it was electric
MarjorieRosenbe 4/9/2014 20:25 @Shaunwilden Thanks. Not a problem. Glad yo make it at all as I am on my next trip right after Iatefl. #eltchat
Ashowski 4/9/2014 20:26 @ven_vve probably not cos they see schooling in the old fashioned way, hence why this is more 'revolutionary' so to speak #eltchat
NinaEnglishBrno 4/9/2014 20:26 @Wiktor_K I teach adults, I don´t see much difference in this matter. they learn so much when collaborating, best times! #eltchat
EdLaur 4/9/2014 20:26 “@duygucandarli: @RobrtELT Properly integrating PBL into our curriculum - take away novelty aspect. #ELTchat”
Marisa_C 4/9/2014 20:26 @natibrandi @MarjorieRosenbe @naomishema Moderators in this context, facilitators in another, bloggers, etc #eltchat
muranava 4/9/2014 20:26 @Wiktor_K cause like we need to +think of the children+ make us all warm and fuzzy while siphoning their future away #ELTchat
Pearson_ELT 4/9/2014 20:26 @Ashowski @LeaSobocan yes some can learn more in grps & is motivating. But those that lack esteem? Or diff learning pref/styles? #ELTchat
Wiktor_K 4/9/2014 20:27 @Marisa_C True - except methodology of the talk (of there was any) focused on kids.Do we just assume adults "get it" by default? #ELTChat
ChristineMulla 4/9/2014 20:27 What are your thoughts on the net in the examination hall? #ELTchat
Ashowski 4/9/2014 20:27 @marjorierosenbe @naomishema @marisa_c moderators do a great job but I think chat would still happen without them. they help focus #eltchat
Jananstwit 4/9/2014 20:27 most of the neg reaction is from the Ts persp. It's a vision abt "learning". Those 2 dont have to coexist. wonder wht Ss'd think. #eltchat
HanaTicha 4/9/2014 20:27 The problem is that we can't change schooling without changing the expected outcomes. Then parents will send their kids #eltchat
Ashowski 4/9/2014 20:28 @pearson_elt @leasobocan they probably find their own way. in school and uni I took books and learnt on my own #eltchat
Marisa_C 4/9/2014 20:28 @ChristineMulla not very relevant to our topic Christine - unless open net (as in open book) exam #ELTchat
LeaSobocan 4/9/2014 20:28 @Pearson_ELT @Ashowski They have us as mentors to encourage them and to notice when they're struggling and would need a hand #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 4/9/2014 20:28 @ChristineMulla Doesn’t help that much in language teaching does it? #ELTchat
duygucandarli 4/9/2014 20:28 @EdLaur @RobrtELT Exactly! I completely agree with you, but it is challenging to do this with kids or teenagers in PBL. #ELTchat
natibrandi 4/9/2014 20:28 @Marisa_C @MarjorieRosenbe  and we've been talking about facilitators for yrs. but does this take us beyond tching concrete items?#ELTchat
Ashowski 4/9/2014 20:28 @leasobocan @pearson_elt @marisa_c I'm sure all kids have motivation to progress we just need to give them right topic/questions #eltchat
Ashowski 4/9/2014 20:29 @leasobocan @pearson_elt @marisa_c it must be universally agreed what we put in curricula can be boring #eltchat
LeaSobocan 4/9/2014 20:29 @Shaunwilden @ChristineMulla Language teaching is a different sort of beef, I think. You can't just look up stuff on google #ELTchat
RobrtELT 4/9/2014 20:29 @Pearson_ELT @Ashowski @LeaSobocan We then have to meet their needs by means of appropiate activities #ELTchat
MarjorieRosenbe 4/9/2014 20:29 It is interesting to see that kids growing up where TV isn't dubbed generally are better in foreign languages. Does that apply? #eltchat
ChristineMulla 4/9/2014 20:29 @Shaunwilden Apart from tricky vocab in pictures, nope. Would extend IELTS papers by a few hours if Ss could look up words. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 4/9/2014 20:29 @RobrtELT @Pearson_ELT @Ashowski @LeaSobocan hasn’t that always been the case? #ELTchat
LeaSobocan 4/9/2014 20:29 @Ashowski @pearson_elt @marisa_c We can universally agree on that :) #ELTchat
Marisa_C 4/9/2014 20:29 @natibrandi I think the one thing I am not so sure abt is choice - the child forms his own curriculum?  #ELTchat
Ven_VVE 4/9/2014 20:29 RT @MarjorieRosenbe: It is interesting to see that kids growing up where TV isn't dubbed generally are better in foreign languages. Does th…
Wiktor_K 4/9/2014 20:29 @Ashowski Not sure about motivation always being there.& the kids that can't find motivation probably need good Ts instead of tech. #ELTChat
EdLaur 4/9/2014 20:30 @Ashowski  #eltchat Teaching doctors at the mo-wish I'd paid  attention during science class. You never know when you'll need these subjects
TESOLacademic 4/9/2014 20:30 @ChristineMulla: What are your thoughts on the net in the examination hall? #ELTchat Why not? Most communicate via devices NOT pen & paper
LeaSobocan 4/9/2014 20:30 @RobrtELT @Pearson_ELT @Ashowski Yes! #ELTchat
natibrandi 4/9/2014 20:30 @Marisa_C  dogme, functional syllabi, etc they all go beyond tching concrete items, yet we still do, maybe this rejnforces that? #eltchat
Ashowski 4/9/2014 20:30 @wiktor_k I think those kids would much rather play on an iPad or computer than talk to a teacher #eltchat
Marisa_C 4/9/2014 20:30 @natibrandi Scott ahead of his time :-) #ELTchat
HanaTicha 4/9/2014 20:30 @MarjorieRosenbe But the danger is they'll get worse at their L1. #eltchat
LeaSobocan 4/9/2014 20:30 @Marisa_C @natibrandi The curriculum bit is the thing I'm not so sure abt either. #ELTchat
esolcourses 4/9/2014 20:30 RT @Wiktor_K: @Ashowski Not sure about motivation always being there.& the kids that can't find motivation probably need good Ts instead of…
Shaunwilden 4/9/2014 20:31 @joannacre @LeaSobocan @ChristineMulla well that won’t help them much :-) #ELTchat
muranava 4/9/2014 20:31 @LeaSobocan @Shaunwilden @ChristineMulla in the bio-tech study neither did the kids the texts were selected by experts #eltchat
EdLaur 4/9/2014 20:31 @LeaSobocan  #eltchat Teachers / guides are essential. Experience helps.
NinaEnglishBrno 4/9/2014 20:31 When I was reading the upset reactions it suddenly felt like it´s all about ego and fear. Where is the learner in all this? #eltchat
natibrandi 4/9/2014 20:31 @Marisa_C maybe emergent syllabus? Child and mentors working it out, fixed syllabus might be oudated. IBO encourages that #eltchat
Ashowski 4/9/2014 20:31 RT @TESOLacademic: "@ChristineMulla: What are your thoughts on the net in the examination hall? #ELTchat" Why not? Most communicate via dev…
Laila_Khairat 4/9/2014 20:31 At school, teachers r much more than vehicles of knowledge.Socialization is a key element. That can't be learnt online.#eltchat
Marisa_C 4/9/2014 20:31 there is an implication in SM's discourse that the child will be able to choose what is good and necessary for them #ELTchat
LouiseRobertson 4/9/2014 20:32 RT @NinaEnglishBrno: When I was reading the upset reactions it suddenly felt like it´s all about ego and fear. Where is the learner in all …
Ashowski 4/9/2014 20:32 @tesolacademic @christinemulla I support tasks which exam what learners can do not what can't i.e. communicative task for exams #eltchat
Jananstwit 4/9/2014 20:32 @Marisa_C @natibrandi I'd love to see how that would work! #eltchat
TESOLacademic 4/9/2014 20:32 RT @NinaEnglishBrno: When I was reading the upset reactions it suddenly felt like it´s all about ego and fear. Where is the learner in all …
Shaunwilden 4/9/2014 20:32 @EdLaur @LeaSobocan yes but its the type of teacher that is part of the controversy isn’t it? #ELTchat
HanaTicha 4/9/2014 20:32 @Ashowski @wiktor_k It all startsat home. In some families the shiny object is more communicative than a parent :-( #eltchat
naomishema 4/9/2014 20:32 Do you all rememeber the "Lord of the flies" book? The kdis didn't do so well on their own as I recall. #eltchat
Marisa_C 4/9/2014 20:33 I am very glad I have not seen any evidence of ego OR fear in this discussion grp - just questions and concerns #eltchat You are all GrEAT!
Wiktor_K 4/9/2014 20:33 @Marisa_C Or if not 1 child - a group will choose what's best, by maximising number of trials & errors. #ELTChat
natibrandi 4/9/2014 20:33 @Marisa_C well. I teach kids, and in my context, when well guided. I would agree with that, anyone else? #eltchat
LeaSobocan 4/9/2014 20:33 @Shaunwilden @joannacre @ChristineMulla, they might pick up language but until they use it f2f, it's useless #eltchat
HanaTicha 4/9/2014 20:33 @MarjorieRosenbe With all the influx of English spoken films it might become a problem #eltchat
Shaunwilden 4/9/2014 20:33 RT @LeaSobocan: @Shaunwilden @joannacre @ChristineMulla , they might pick up language but until they use it f2f, it's u…
MarjorieRosenbe 4/9/2014 20:33 @naomishema True. But can we compare that to giving them a computer? There were still adults around. #eltchat
Jananstwit 4/9/2014 20:33 @NinaEnglishBrno Agreed! Asked the same question a few mins back! #eltchat
Marisa_C 4/9/2014 20:33 @natibrandi Nati I think u said it in another tweet - teacher as mentor or guide ? #eltchat
Ashowski 4/9/2014 20:34 @leasobocan @marisa_c @natibrandi I got my 12 year olds to chose what they needed to do next in our course, worked well #eltchat
joannacre 4/9/2014 20:34 @naomishema they didn't have a pc #eltchat
theteacherjames 4/9/2014 20:34 @NinaEnglishBrno I discussed the talk with some very angry people straight after, & it was not about ego. It was about society. #eltchat
duygucandarli 4/9/2014 20:34 @MarjorieRosenbe I think the argument should be treated with caution. We need more evidence and there might be other factors, too. #ELTchat
LeaSobocan 4/9/2014 20:34 @muranava @Shaunwilden @ChristineMulla So how deep was the learning then I wonder. #eltchat
natibrandi 4/9/2014 20:34 @NinaEnglishBrno it's kinda scary, but it's also exciting to reedefine our roles, hehe #eltchat
HanaTicha 4/9/2014 20:34 RT @NinaEnglishBrno: When I was reading the upset reactions it suddenly felt like it´s all about ego and fear. Where is the learner in all …
Marisa_C 4/9/2014 20:34 @Ashowski @leasobocan @natibrandi possibly after a certain age? Where is Piaget? #eltchat
ChristineMulla 4/9/2014 20:34 @Marisa_C Yes, and as children, do we know what is necessary? Maybe yes in our world, but not the 'big' world. Still need guidance #eltchat
HanaTicha 4/9/2014 20:34 @NinaEnglishBrno That's what I suspect as well. #eltchat
Ashowski 4/9/2014 20:34 @hanaticha @wiktor_k I grew up in poverty with no technology and very communicative parents - I'd've happily picked up an iPad #eltchat
Shaunwilden 4/9/2014 20:35 @natibrandi @NinaEnglishBrno but how are we redefining? A good teacher has always assumed many roles in the classroom #ELTchat
MarjorieRosenbe 4/9/2014 20:35 @HanaTicha Not sure. Bilinguals can maintain both as far as I know. #eltchat Not sure if this on topic.
natibrandi 4/9/2014 20:35 @Marisa_C oh, sorry if Im being repetitive, #eltchat
RobrtELT 4/9/2014 20:35 Lots of us heard how important is to have ss develop thinking skills, why students struggle a lot then? #ELTchat
EdLaur 4/9/2014 20:35 @Shaunwilden @NinaEnglishBrno Discussing the same thing - world wide. That adds to the excitement!  #eltchat
LeaSobocan 4/9/2014 20:35 @Shaunwilden @EdLaur The role of the teacher needs to be updated, sure, but not to "granny" #eltchat
muranava 4/9/2014 20:35 @Wiktor_K @Marisa_C huge group dynamic issues like social conformism #eltchat
natibrandi 4/9/2014 20:36 “@Wiktor_K: @Marisa_C Or if not 1 child - a group will choose what's best, by maximising number of trials & errors. #ELTChat” collaboration!
Ashowski 4/9/2014 20:36 @robrtelt cos their skills haven't been developed? #eltchat
TESOLacademic 4/9/2014 20:36 @LeaSobocan: @Shaunwilden @joannacre @ChristineMulla ... but until they use it f2f ... #eltchat but cmc  more common!
theteacherjames 4/9/2014 20:36 One problem I have is that he talks about learning, but what comes next? How do we know they have learned & not just memorised? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 4/9/2014 20:36 @LeaSobocan @EdLaur well that would be downgrading ! #ELTchat
harrisonmike 4/9/2014 20:36 RT @theteacherjames: @Shaunwilden @LeaSobocan Exactly Shaun, those bit I agree with aren’t that revolutionary. #ELTchat
esolcourses 4/9/2014 20:36 RT @LeaSobocan: @Shaunwilden @EdLaur The role of the teacher needs to be updated, sure, but not to "granny" #eltchat ] agree
Marisa_C 4/9/2014 20:36 @muranava @Wiktor_K good point - do all kids really want to learn same stuff or are they led by the kid leaders #eltchat
ChristineMulla 4/9/2014 20:36 I thought more emphasis could have been placed on underprivileged areas and what can be done where there are few Ts. #eltchat
Wiktor_K 4/9/2014 20:36 @muranava  @Marisa_C True, also preparing for life in society where these issues continue. Coping early = healthier adult? #ELTChat
NinaEnglishBrno 4/9/2014 20:36 @natibrandi it´s  necessary to redefine our roles and ed system as such. remember the pics he showed of desks with secrataries? #eltchat
ChristineMulla 4/9/2014 20:36 RT @TESOLacademic: "@LeaSobocan: @Shaunwilden @joannacre @ChristineMulla ... but until they use it f2f ... #eltchat" b…
MarjorieRosenbe 4/9/2014 20:36 @Marisa_C Would be interting to know about the ones who gave up because they didn't understand. #eltchat
harrisonmike 4/9/2014 20:37 @natibrandi @theteacherjames @Shaunwilden @LeaSobocan it's very anecdotal research though, isn't it? #eltchat
theteacherjames 4/9/2014 20:37 And how can we gauge if they are able to use these things they have learned in the long term? #eltchat
Jananstwit 4/9/2014 20:37 @theteacherjames @NinaEnglishBrno Society impies roles, "norms" and contribution. It's a given that there is confusion. #eltchat
naomishema 4/9/2014 20:37 RT @theteacherjames: And how can we gauge if they are able to use these things they have learned in the long term? #eltchat
Ashowski 4/9/2014 20:37 @naomishema it's fiction #eltchat
Marisa_C 4/9/2014 20:37 @harrisonmike @natibrandi @theteacherjames @Shaunwilden @LeaSobocan in his talk yes i agree rather anecdotal #eltchat
harrisonmike 4/9/2014 20:37 #eltchat I'm late - been dealing with IATEFL FB group issues!!
dreadnought001 4/9/2014 20:38 @theteacherjames #eltchat SM's eg of kids learning molecular biology seemed just like memorisation, didn't seem like learning
NinaEnglishBrno 4/9/2014 20:38 @theteacherjames how could you tell? and what does it mean "about society"? #eltchat
LeaSobocan 4/9/2014 20:38 @Ashowski @marisa_c @natibrandi LA is great and it should be employed more. But2a point, not just letting go, like SM. #eltchat
ChristineMulla 4/9/2014 20:38 @natibrandi @Wiktor_K @Marisa_C Cld change structure & evolution of learning in society. Groups choose learning & shape communities #eltchat
HanaTicha 4/9/2014 20:38 @theteacherjames I think what matter for Mitra is that kids learned to find the answer- no matter whether they memorized it or not #eltchat
HadaLitim 4/9/2014 20:38 @theteacherjames @NinaEnglishBrno It'd be interesting to know if any teacher from remote places in developing countries got angry #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 4/9/2014 20:38 @duygucandarli Which argument? Influence of non-dubbed films? #eltchat
harrisonmike 4/9/2014 20:38 @theteacherjames or are they just reciting Wikipedia? #eltchat
RobrtELT 4/9/2014 20:38 @naomishema It requires kids to infer lots of things ... #eltchat
duygucandarli 4/9/2014 20:38 @MarjorieRosenbe Yes, exactly. #eltchat
LeaSobocan 4/9/2014 20:39 @ChristineMulla @Marisa_C Exactly what I was trying to say, thank you for putting it so well! #eltchat
EdLaur 4/9/2014 20:39 RT @NinaEnglishBrno: When I was reading the upset reactions it suddenly felt like it´s all about ego and fear. Where is the learner in all …
MarjorieRosenbe 4/9/2014 20:39 @theteacherjames Wondered as well about that. #eltchat
harrisonmike 4/9/2014 20:39 RT @dreadnought001: @theteacherjames #eltchat SM's eg of kids learning molecular biology seemed just like memorisation, didn't seem like le…
Marisa_C 4/9/2014 20:39 And who will then produce the experts, the doctors, the scientists - will they qualify themselves? #eltchat or pass some tests?
HadaLitim 4/9/2014 20:39 @theteacherjames The needs may be different in diff parts of the world.?? Maybe?? Perhaps?? #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 4/9/2014 20:39 @duygucandarli I saw a study about this recently but would need to look for it. #eltchat
Ashowski 4/9/2014 20:40 @harrisonmike @natibrandi @theteacherjames @shaunwilden @leasobocan makes it interesting, like when use personalisation in class #eltchat
natibrandi 4/9/2014 20:40 @theteacherjames he talks about computer literacy, but there is more to that than just using the pc, do they reflect on sources? #eltchat
Wiktor_K 4/9/2014 20:40 @Marisa_C This is why I call foul on SMitra's claim that "knowledge is obsolete" it's more precious now than ever. #ELTChat
theteacherjames 4/9/2014 20:40 @NinaEnglishBrno We were face to face after the talk (I was there). The chief concern was the social impact of what he said. #eltchat
LeaSobocan 4/9/2014 20:40 @theteacherjames That's the thing. They looked up stuff, what are they doing w/ it &how r they applying it? #eltchat
Marisa_C 4/9/2014 20:41 Personally I love the bomb that Sugata Mitra has thrown in our  midst making us rethink and revisualise the givens of education #eltchat
Shaunwilden 4/9/2014 20:41 RT @LeaSobocan: @theteacherjames That's the thing. They looked up stuff, what are they doing w/ it &how r they applying it? #eltchat
HanaTicha 4/9/2014 20:41 @Marisa_C They'll qualify themselves. Their passion for the chosen field will get them there, I believe. This even  happens now #eltchat
ChristineMulla 4/9/2014 20:41 @dreadnought001 @theteacherjames Yes, I wondered if they would be able to 'use' the knowledge functionally. #eltchat
natibrandi 4/9/2014 20:41 @HanaTicha @theteacherjames tho they are doing it in collaboration, so i doubt they'd take everything for granted as a group. #eltchat
ChristineMulla 4/9/2014 20:41 RT @theteacherjames: And how can we gauge if they are able to use these things they have learned in the long term? #eltchat
Wiktor_K 4/9/2014 20:41 @HanaTicha Would you rather have a passionate heart surgeon, or a knowledgeable one? ;P #ELTChat
musenz 4/9/2014 20:41 RT @Marisa_C: Personally I love the bomb that Sugata Mitra has thrown in our  midst making us rethink and revisualise the givens of educati…
Shaunwilden 4/9/2014 20:41 RT @joannacre: if only learning was as simple as googling sth #eltchat you mean it isn’t!
theteacherjames 4/9/2014 20:42 @HanaTicha I take your point, and on this I completely disagree with him. #eltchat
LeaSobocan 4/9/2014 20:42 @Marisa_C Try being treated by a doctor who qualified himself ;) #eltchat
HanaTicha 4/9/2014 20:42 @Wiktor_K I can't tell you. Definitely hearty :-) #eltchat
Ven_VVE 4/9/2014 20:42 @HanaTicha @Marisa_C not sure I'd agree this is a a good idea as a rule. #eltchat
Marisa_C 4/9/2014 20:42 @Wiktor_K @HanaTicha  I would prefer a knowledgeable and skillful heart surgeon myslef #eltchat
theteacherjames 4/9/2014 20:42 @harrisonmike Exactly. So then why bother going to school? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 4/9/2014 20:42 RT @Marisa_C: @Wiktor_K @HanaTicha  I would prefer a knowledgeable and skillful heart surgeon myslef #eltchat me too
duygucandarli 4/9/2014 20:42 @MarjorieRosenbe Great! I will also look for the study and read it in detail. I wonder how the comparisons were made. #eltchat
Jananstwit 4/9/2014 20:42 RT @HanaTicha: @Marisa_C They'll qualify themselves. Their passion for the chosen field will get them there, I believe. This even  happens …
muranava 4/9/2014 20:42 @HanaTicha @Marisa_C the poorest kids with best results get into college about the same rate as richest kids with worst results #eltchat
HadaLitim 4/9/2014 20:42 @Wiktor_K @HanaTicha One that's both! #Eltchat
dreadnought001 4/9/2014 20:42 http://t.co/RXWFLZDowI #ELTChat lots of points against Mitra, bit concerning that it was funded by elearning company
Shaunwilden 4/9/2014 20:42 @theteacherjames @harrisonmike well there is the social aspect of schooling #ELTchat
MarjorieRosenbe 4/9/2014 20:43 @Marisa_C Agree. It's inspired a lot of thinking and chatting. Maybe that's the idea? Shake things up a bit?  #eltchat
RobrtELT 4/9/2014 20:43 @ebefl #eltchat
EdLaur 4/9/2014 20:43 RT @Wiktor_K: @HanaTicha Would you rather have a passionate heart surgeon, or a knowledgeable one? ;P #ELTChat
natibrandi 4/9/2014 20:43 @Shaunwilden @joannacre we should ask SM how computerliterate the kids were, know how to or beyond that? #eltchat
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natibrandi 4/9/2014 20:43 RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @Marisa_C Agree. It's inspired a lot of thinking and chatting. Maybe that's the idea? Shake things up a bit?  #eltchat
theteacherjames 4/9/2014 20:43 @Shaunwilden @harrisonmike True, but that’s not why we go. #eltchat
Ashowski 4/9/2014 20:43 @marisa_c I @Wiktor_K @HanaTicha I think you need passion to become any good professional, knowledge follows #eltchat
HanaTicha 4/9/2014 20:43 @theteacherjames May I ask why you disagree? It's interesting. #eltchat
Laila_Khairat 4/9/2014 20:43 how to spark such motivation in less dprived areas? children who already have access to tech, not so easily intrigued #eltchat
Shaunwilden 4/9/2014 20:44 RT @TESOLacademic: "@Marisa_C: And who will produce the experts ... qualify themselves? #eltchat  hardly but they might get there with less…
HanaTicha 4/9/2014 20:44 @Ashowski @marisa_c @Wiktor_K Totally agree!!!! #eltchat
LeaSobocan 4/9/2014 20:44 @dreadnought001 Well, companies don't exactly need teachers, do they? #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 4/9/2014 20:44 @duygucandarli if I remember correctly it as country to country but I am not sure. #eltchat
theteacherjames 4/9/2014 20:44 @HanaTicha I think we should learn things, not just know how to find things out. #eltchat
ChristineMulla 4/9/2014 20:44 Do you think that if a 'self-organising system' began to be used, that it could change society &amp; how it learns, as a whole? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 4/9/2014 20:44 @theteacherjames @HanaTicha but doesn’t process of finding them help you learn? #ELTchat
NinaEnglishBrno 4/9/2014 20:44 @theteacherjames I have seen a lot of ego surrounding this issue, st like "how dare you take my knowledge away from the equation" #eltchat
Wiktor_K 4/9/2014 20:44 @Laila_Khairat I think SugataM's idea was switching off tech to make kids cluster &amp; work together as a result. Works for adults too #ELTChat
Ashowski 4/9/2014 20:45 @laila_khairat i think it's the task then that triggers the interest #eltchat
ChristineMulla 4/9/2014 20:45 RT @theteacherjames: @HanaTicha I think we should learn things, not just know how to find things out. #eltchat
LeaSobocan 4/9/2014 20:45 @Laila_Khairat Kids get fed up with everything if they're given too much. #eltchat
HanaTicha 4/9/2014 20:45 @theteacherjames But aren't  we likely to learn them when we discover them out of interest? #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 4/9/2014 20:45 @theteacherjames @HanaTicha Isn't there a place for both? #ELTCHAT
TheSecretDoS 4/9/2014 20:45 @theteacherjames "JUST" memorised?!?! #ELTchat
ebefl 4/9/2014 20:45 An argument is not true or false because of its consequences #eltchat http://t.co/FQKYqjHnMc
natibrandi 4/9/2014 20:45 RT @Wiktor_K: @Laila_Khairat I think SugataM's idea was switching off tech to make kids cluster &amp; work together as a result. Works for adul…
theteacherjames 4/9/2014 20:46 And it seems to me that Grannies are just mediocre teachers. I can encourage, but I can do other things too. #eltchat
Marisa_C 4/9/2014 20:46 Another thought is that what SM visualises is so far into the future that lots of other jobs will be obsolete- even doctors #eltchat
Shaunwilden 4/9/2014 20:46 RT @theteacherjames: And it seems to me that Grannies are just mediocre teachers. I can encourage, but I can do other things too. #eltchat
naomishema 4/9/2014 20:46 RT @theteacherjames: And it seems to me that Grannies are just mediocre teachers. I can encourage, but I can do other things too. #eltchat
NinaEnglishBrno 4/9/2014 20:46 @HadaLitim @theteacherjames my take is they would be thrilled ;) and isn´t that what SM is talking about after all? #eltchat
ESOL_Chat 4/9/2014 20:46 RT @cioccas: RT @tinytexts Mess Makes You More Creative – Read, listen and learn a little English! http://t.co/IGkP2npInH #ELTchat #AusELT …
Wiktor_K 4/9/2014 20:46 Totally not on board with the "passion" camp. Knowledge &amp; expertise is just as crucial - helps see things 2 b passionate about l8r #ELTChat
ChristineMulla 4/9/2014 20:46 @theteacherjames @HanaTicha A typical argument these days: nothing is discussed anymore, Smartphones are searched, ans found. #eltchat
Marisa_C 4/9/2014 20:46 Why does it matter if our profession exists as is now in 200 0r 300 years? #eltchat - or even more?
LeaSobocan 4/9/2014 20:46 We keep on talking about re-defining education, we haven't yet talked what the true school of the future could be, according to us #eltchat
HanaTicha 4/9/2014 20:47 @Marisa_C True. Many of the surgeries are done by robots now #eltchat
esolcourses 4/9/2014 20:47 RT @Marisa_C: Another thought is that what SM visualises is so far into the future that lots of other jobs will be obsolete- even doctors #…
joannacre 4/9/2014 20:47 @HanaTicha @theteacherjames were they learning out of interest?#eltchat
theteacherjames 4/9/2014 20:47 @TheSecretDoS Yes, without a deeper understanding of the thing they’ve learned and how to apply it in a variety of contexts. #eltchat
HadaLitim 4/9/2014 20:47 RT @theteacherjames: @HanaTicha I think we should learn things, not just know how to find things out. #eltchat
natibrandi 4/9/2014 20:47 @theteacherjames @HanaTicha but if the task is good it should go beyond that, it should involve reflection. #eltchat
TESOLacademic 4/9/2014 20:47 Connectivism = we don't need to know in quite the same way anymore We need to know how to find out = dig. lit. in an L2 4 #tesol #ELTchat
dreadnought001 4/9/2014 20:47 @theteacherjames #eltchat yes, and if my granny had taught them, they would have v robust views on immigration ;-)
Shaunwilden 4/9/2014 20:47 RT @dreadnought001: @theteacherjames #eltchat yes, and if my granny had taught them, they would have v robust views on immigration ;-)
Ashowski 4/9/2014 20:47 @christinemulla a profound question! I don't have the answer but will ponder this for a while. thank you! :-) #eltchat
theteacherjames 4/9/2014 20:47 @NinaEnglishBrno I guess it’s just a case of interpretation. :-) #eltchat
harrisonmike 4/9/2014 20:48 @theteacherjames @Shaunwilden I wouldn't go to school to mess about and read from a computer (over simplification I know) #eltchat
LeaSobocan 4/9/2014 20:49 @Ashowski @christinemulla A self-organising system would need to be introduced gradually, imo. To let people get used to freedom. #eltchat
Ashowski 4/9/2014 20:49 I've noticed those who come from Slavic countries seem to have quite conservative approach 2 teaching: passion not necessary #eltchat
natibrandi 4/9/2014 20:49 @LeaSobocan difficult. Collaboration, solving problem, emergent syllabus, things that aren't new, but not being implemented now? #eltchat
Wiktor_K 4/9/2014 20:49 @harrisonmike You wouldn't be liking today's schools much, I guess... #ELTChat
LeaSobocan 4/9/2014 20:49 @Ashowski @christinemulla But I think it would be a very exciting thing, wouldn't it! #eltchat
Laila_Khairat 4/9/2014 20:49 RT @LeaSobocan: @Laila_Khairat Kids get fed up with everything if they're given too much. #eltchat
esolcourses 4/9/2014 20:49 @Marisa_C not too sure about that myself, although I think job roles will almost certainly change #eltchat
Ven_VVE 4/9/2014 20:49 @HanaTicha @Marisa_C scary what we're doing to ourselves. Sometimes think making ourselves obsolete thru tech. advances. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 4/9/2014 20:49 @harrisonmike @theteacherjames but we did have lesson like that dint we, well in my case comp was school library #ELTchat
theteacherjames 4/9/2014 20:49 @HanaTicha That’s a big assumption. If you’d asked me to study only things that interested me, I wouldn’t have been in school much #eltchat
HadaLitim 4/9/2014 20:50 @natibrandi @theteacherjames @HanaTicha And critical thinking. A key skill often neglected in some part of the wotld #eltchat
TheSecretDoS 4/9/2014 20:50 @theteacherjames my point is that when starting out, memorisation is everything. #eltchat
EdLaur 4/9/2014 20:50 RT @LeaSobocan: We keep on talking about re-defining education, we haven't yet talked what the true school of the future could be, accordin…
Marisa_C 4/9/2014 20:50 A self organising system will infact emerge in its own good time and not one minute earlier or later - #eltchat
HadaLitim 4/9/2014 20:50 RT @LeaSobocan: We keep on talking about re-defining education, we haven't yet talked what the true school of the future could be, accordin…
theteacherjames 4/9/2014 20:50 @natibrandi @HanaTicha Yes, and where does the task come from? A teacher, perhaps? #eltchat
LeaSobocan 4/9/2014 20:50 @natibrandi And testing for real-life skills, not gapfill #eltchat
HanaTicha 4/9/2014 20:51 @Ashowski ooooooo. I would disagree :-) #eltchat
Shaunwilden 4/9/2014 20:51 @Ven_VVE  its not about obsolescence its  adapting &amp; making use of whatever enhances learning, good teachers have always done that #ELTchat
natibrandi 4/9/2014 20:51 @theteacherjames @HanaTicha there are some good tedralks about kids who dropped out school. Lol #eltchat
theteacherjames 4/9/2014 20:51 @dreadnought001 haha :-D #eltchat
ChristineMulla 4/9/2014 20:51 RT @theteacherjames: @HanaTicha That’s a big assumption. If you’d asked me to study only things that interested me, I wouldn’t have been in…
dreadnought001 4/9/2014 20:51 @Ven_VVE  #eltchat I teach v tech savvy Sts but most want MORE interaction with teachers, not less! We're not obsolete yet
Marisa_C 4/9/2014 20:51 @Ven_VVE @HanaTicha I don't think we are doing it to ourselves - tech is here and it's changing everything #eltchat
LeaSobocan 4/9/2014 20:51 @Ashowski Not true, passion always necessary, but not substituted for knowledge. #eltchat
Wiktor_K 4/9/2014 20:51 Seth Godin's "Linchpin" is a great book for fear of becoming obsolete. Not an easy/comforting read but it helped me a bit... #ELTChat
naomishema 4/9/2014 20:51 RT @LeaSobocan: @Ashowski Not true, passion always necessary, but not substituted for knowledge. #eltchat
muranava 4/9/2014 20:51 why are people taking chaos theory of learning as plausible when even mitra says it speculative? #eltchat
natibrandi 4/9/2014 20:52 @HadaLitim @theteacherjames @HanaTicha of course, and with good tasks or questios as SMouts it, they should go way beyond reciting #eltchat
ChristineMulla 4/9/2014 20:52 @HadaLitim @natibrandi @theteacherjames @HanaTicha And it doesn't come from memorisation, nor does recollection. #eltchat
Pearson_ELT 4/9/2014 20:52 RT @Shaunwilden: @Ven_VVE  its not about obsolescence its  adapting &amp; making use of whatever enhances learning, good teachers have always d…
Jananstwit 4/9/2014 20:52 RT @ebefl: An argument is not true or false because of its consequences #eltchat http://t.co/FQKYqjHnMc
theteacherjames 4/9/2014 20:52 @TheSecretDoS I see, but my problem is that Mitra doesn’t talk about the next level, he just talks about immediate results. #eltchat
ditaphillips 4/9/2014 20:52 @theteacherjames fair enough, hope that's true for me too but perhaps there are things I can do better, less is more says SM to me #eltchat
LeaSobocan 4/9/2014 20:52 @TheSecretDoS @theteacherjames True, drilling seems very old-fashioned, but still has a place, for example. #eltchat
Ven_VVE 4/9/2014 20:52 @Shaunwilden yes, but not just tchrs, diff. professions. But sometimes think that's the way it's always been, now it's just faster. #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 4/9/2014 20:53 @Ven_VVE @HanaTicha @Marisa_C Good point. Are we creating our own classrooms without teachers? #eltchat
Jananstwit 4/9/2014 20:53 RT @Shaunwilden: @Ven_VVE  its not about obsolescence its  adapting &amp; making use of whatever enhances learning, good teachers have always d…
natibrandi 4/9/2014 20:53 @Marisa_C @Ven_VVE @HanaTicha hementioned a programme to improve pronunciation, reminded me of the reader when hana learns to read #eltchat
ChristineMulla 4/9/2014 20:53 @dreadnought001 @Ven_VVE Ss also need to learn how to use tech to learn. Just like learning how to study. #eltchat
theteacherjames 4/9/2014 20:53 @ditaphillips That’s your interpretation, but SM is saying he doesn’t need us. I have a problem with this. #eltchat
Ashowski 4/9/2014 20:53 @leasobocan if the kids can figure it out for themselves then all they need is a passionate guider #eltchat
HadaLitim 4/9/2014 20:53 @natibrandi @theteacherjames @HanaTicha and where does the feedback come from? #eltchat
Marisa_C 4/9/2014 20:54 @natibrandi he was talking abt a dictionary app actuially - nothing more :-D #eltchat
musenz 4/9/2014 20:54 RT @Shaunwilden: @Ven_VVE  its not about obsolescence its  adapting &amp; making use of whatever enhances learning, good teachers have always d…
LeaSobocan 4/9/2014 20:54 @Ashowski They key word here is if. #eltchat
TheSecretDoS 4/9/2014 20:54 @LeaSobocan @theteacherjames drilling is absolutely essential. No drilling, no learning. This is science! #eltchat
harrisonmike 4/9/2014 20:54 @Wiktor_K most probably #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 4/9/2014 20:54 @theteacherjames @HanaTicha Bit also interesting that Jobs, Gates and Zuckerberg all dropped out of college. Thoughts? #ELTCHAT
Ven_VVE 4/9/2014 20:54 @dreadnought001 me too and get same response from Ss. So yes, not obsolete yet, agree. :) #eltchat
Shaunwilden 4/9/2014 20:54 RT @TheSecretDoS: @LeaSobocan @theteacherjames drilling is absolutely essential. No drilling, no learning. This is science! #eltchat
natibrandi 4/9/2014 20:54 @theteacherjames @ditaphillips dis u hear the interview? He talked about different roles? Not ts as we know the.m now. #eltchat
Marisa_C 4/9/2014 20:54 @theteacherjames @ditaphillips why do you have a problem with this? Is it because u feel it's going to happen soon?  #eltchat
TheSecretDoS 4/9/2014 20:55 @MajaJerkovic @theteacherjames longitudinal research ;-) #eltchat
Wiktor_K 4/9/2014 20:55 @theteacherjames Ultimately, his vision of education is producing employees. So for this, no Ts needed. Drill sarge will do :) #ELTChat
ChristineMulla 4/9/2014 20:55 @MajaJerkovic My lil bro was memorising sth he didn't understand in Gaelic recently. Couldn't do it till he comprehended it. #eltchat
Ashowski 4/9/2014 20:55 @leasobocan that's a very good point, one I can't argue with at the moment :-) #eltchat
dreadnought001 4/9/2014 20:55 #ELTChat how good are pple here at organising own learning? I'm bloody terrible, failed to complete 3 MOOCs already!!
natibrandi 4/9/2014 20:55 @Marisa_C my students once felt motivated to improve pron to speak to Siri... Lol #eltchat
harrisonmike 4/9/2014 20:55 @Shaunwilden @theteacherjames that wasn't the only kind of lesson though #eltchat
NinaEnglishBrno 4/9/2014 20:56 Task-based, individualized, self-organized, connected, goal-oriented ed. I see my role in here: guide, facilitator, mentor, friend. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 4/9/2014 20:56 @dreadnought001 only 3! #ELTchat
HanaTicha 4/9/2014 20:56 @MarjorieRosenbe @theteacherjames Einstein didn't do very well either :-) #eltchat
naomishema 4/9/2014 20:56 Good night all - we have an ETAI teacher's conference tomorrow and I should have gone to bed earlier! #eltchat Missed the chats though...
muranava 4/9/2014 20:56 @MarjorieRosenbe @theteacherjames @HanaTicha all from wealthy families #eltchat
dreadnought001 4/9/2014 20:56 @Shaunwilden #ELTchat that's just this year to be honest ;-)
Marisa_C 4/9/2014 20:56 @dreadnought001 you are part of some learning right now and doing very very nicely (granny) #eltchat
Ashowski 4/9/2014 20:56 RT @Shaunwilden: @Ven_VVE  its not about obsolescence its  adapting &amp; making use of whatever enhances learning, good teachers have always d…
harrisonmike 4/9/2014 20:56 #eltchat wed yourself to anyone approach exclusively and you'll be doing someone a disservice in your school or classroom
Ven_VVE 4/9/2014 20:56 @Marisa_C @HanaTicha True, though sometimes wonder if less enthusiasm wd slow process down? And if that wd be good or not? #eltchat
natibrandi 4/9/2014 20:56 RT @NinaEnglishBrno: Task-based, individualized, self-organized, connected, goal-oriented ed. I see my role in here: guide, facilitator, me…
HadaLitim 4/9/2014 20:57 There's a difference between saying we don't need Ts and we live in places where we need to cope in the absence of Ts #eltchat
Wiktor_K 4/9/2014 20:57 @NinaEnglishBrno too long to retweet but well-put :D #ELTChat
ChristineMulla 4/9/2014 20:57 @theteacherjames @ditaphillips But he had to go back and guide all the way through. He talks about 'giving them a big question.' #eltchat
LeaSobocan 4/9/2014 20:57 @NinaEnglishBrno So how do you feel about SM's claim we can be substituted for grannies? ;) #eltchat
TESOLacademic 4/9/2014 20:57 RT @NinaEnglishBrno: Task-based, individualized, self-organized, connected, goal-oriented ed. I see my role in here: guide, facilitator, me…
ashabeb 4/9/2014 20:57 RT @TESOLacademic: "Connectivism" = we don't need to know in quite the same way anymore We need to know how to find out = dig. lit. in an L…
Shaunwilden 4/9/2014 20:57 RT @NinaEnglishBrno: Task-based, individualized, self-organized, connected, goal-oriented ed. I see my role in here: guide, facilitator, me…
esolcourses 4/9/2014 20:57 @dreadnought001 I can organise my own learning if I'm *really* motivated to do something, but other than that, I'm not gr8 at it #ELTchat
harrisonmike 4/9/2014 20:57 RT @muranava: @MarjorieRosenbe @theteacherjames @HanaTicha all from wealthy families #eltchat
EdLaur 4/9/2014 20:57 @MarjorieRosenbe Exceptions rather than the rule *in their success  #eltchat
joannacre 4/9/2014 20:57 @dreadnought001 yeah and children doing it? for how long? for ever?#eltchat
dreadnought001 4/9/2014 20:57 @Marisa_C #eltchat just don't ask me to summarise it, wouldn't remember a damn thing!
HanaTicha 4/9/2014 20:57 @LeaSobocan @NinaEnglishBrno This is the bit I'm not comfortable with yet. #eltchat
Marisa_C 4/9/2014 20:57 @LeaSobocan @NinaEnglishBrno I think the lesson is that Ts should show more enthusiasm &amp; support to Ss not that we need grannies #eltchat
duygucandarli 4/9/2014 20:58 @dreadnought001 You are not alone. The completion rates for MOOCs are very low. Motivation and a "passionate guider" are needed! #eltchat
MajaJerkovic 4/9/2014 20:58 @ChristineMulla My kids memorise things in foreign languages as well, but they don't understand until it's explained. #eltchat
harrisonmike 4/9/2014 20:58 @harrisonmike eurgh 'any one approach' not 'anyone approach' #eltchat
Ashowski 4/9/2014 20:58 @naomishema good luck and enjoy the conference! #eltchat
HadaLitim 4/9/2014 20:58 @MarjorieRosenbe @theteacherjames @HanaTicha Yes and many more success stories #eltchat
theteacherjames 4/9/2014 20:58 @Shaunwilden @ditaphillips "There are schools in India without teachers, later we realised this may be a good thing.” #eltchat
ChristineMulla 4/9/2014 20:58 RT @HadaLitim: There's a difference between saying we don't need Ts and we live in places where we need to cope in the absence of Ts #eltch…
natibrandi 4/9/2014 20:58 I feel beyond procedures, it's about helping learners, guiding them towards what they need, we've been talking about this 4yrs #eltchat
Shaunwilden 4/9/2014 20:58 @duygucandarli @dreadnought001 7 percent apparently, i learned that as IATEFL as well :-) #ELTchat
muranava 4/9/2014 20:59 @LeaSobocan @NinaEnglishBrno are not a lot of these "grannies" retired teachers? wonder where they learnt their stuff from? #eltchat
dreadnought001 4/9/2014 20:59 #ELTChat drop out rates on MOOCs do speak to the need for guided learning, people are not that great at organising themselves
Laila_Khairat 4/9/2014 20:59 Teaching is the art of ASSISTING discovery Mark Van Doren #eltchat
theteacherjames 4/9/2014 20:59 @Marisa_C @ditaphillips I don’t think it’ll ever happen, but he has influence and needs to be argued against. #eltchat
Ashowski 4/9/2014 20:59 RT @NinaEnglishBrno: Task-based, individualized, self-organized, connected, goal-oriented ed. I see my role in here: guide, facilitator, me…
Shaunwilden 4/9/2014 20:59 the hour’s passed…..#ELTchat
Shaunwilden 4/9/2014 20:59 RT @Laila_Khairat: "Teaching is the art of ASSISTING discovery" Mark Van Doren #eltchat
natibrandi 4/9/2014 20:59 @Marisa_C @dreadnought001 hahaah. I love this granny :) #eltchat
Wiktor_K 4/9/2014 21:00 @Laila_Khairat - aaye, but the focus should be on ART as well. That's the indispensable part. #ELTChat
LeaSobocan 4/9/2014 21:00 @HadaLitim True, so is replacing Ts with machines the answer? What's the alternative? In that context his model makes sense #eltchat
Marisa_C 4/9/2014 21:00 I hate to interrupt you all while in full swing but we do need to consolidate our learning by a great summary to be written by..??? #ELTchat
Ven_VVE 4/9/2014 21:00 @duygucandarli @dreadnought001 When I start, I see it thru. But gave up before starting on some I signed up 4 when saw had no time. #eltchat
dreadnought001 4/9/2014 21:00 @Shaunwilden @duygucandarli #ELTchat me too! Didn't make me feel so bad about quitting myself
ditaphillips 4/9/2014 21:00 @theteacherjames I also have a problem with being replaced by a granny, esp if the only requirement is being a native speaker:-) #eltchat
NinaEnglishBrno 4/9/2014 21:00 @LeaSobocan I never got that feeling from his plenary that teachers can be replaced by grannies. Where did he say that? #eltchat
natibrandi 4/9/2014 21:00 @ChristineMulla @theteacherjames @ditaphillips that big question idea reminds me of webquests, #eltchat
theteacherjames 4/9/2014 21:00 @ChristineMulla @ditaphillips Sounds like teaching to me! #eltchat
Shaunwilden 4/9/2014 21:00 @dreadnought001 @duygucandarli oh yes we were in the same talk - Nick was a bit of addict by all accounts #ELTchat
theteacherjames 4/9/2014 21:01 @ditaphillips That’s a very good point! #eltchat
EdLaur 4/9/2014 21:01 RT @Laila_Khairat: "Teaching is the art of ASSISTING discovery" Mark Van Doren #eltchat
Wiktor_K 4/9/2014 21:01 @Marisa_C I'm out - wrote all there was to write already! #ELTChat
Shaunwilden 4/9/2014 21:01 RT @NinaEnglishBrno: @LeaSobocan I never got that feeling from his plenary that teachers can be replaced by grannies. Where did he say that…
theteacherjames 4/9/2014 21:01 RT @muranava: @HanaTicha @Marisa_C the poorest kids with best results get into college about the same rate as richest kids with worst resul…
HanaTicha 4/9/2014 21:01 @LeaSobocan @HadaLitim It's weird that nobody mentions parents who may well teach help their kids learn. #eltchat
theteacherjames 4/9/2014 21:01 RT @dreadnought001: http://t.co/RXWFLZDowI #ELTChat lots of points against Mitra, bit concerning that it was funded by elearning company
Marisa_C 4/9/2014 21:01 @Wiktor_K no worries - good prompt ur post #eltchat
Ashowski 4/9/2014 21:01 RT @Marisa_C: @LeaSobocan @NinaEnglishBrno I think the lesson is that Ts should show more enthusiasm &amp; support to Ss not that we need grann…
EnglishOutThere 4/9/2014 21:01 RT @NinaEnglishBrno: Task-based, individualized, self-organized, connected, goal-oriented ed. I see my role in here: guide, facilitator, me…
NinaEnglishBrno 4/9/2014 21:02 @Marisa_C @LeaSobocan maybe teachers could simply shift to a faciliator role? I have with my adult students and it works well! #eltchat
Shaunwilden 4/9/2014 21:02 RT @Marisa_C: I hate to interrupt you all while in full swing but we do need to consolidate our learning by a great summary to be written b…
LeaSobocan 4/9/2014 21:02 @Marisa_C @NinaEnglishBrno I agree with that bit whole-heartedly. We don't need to be machines, we can be human and warm #eltchat
Ashowski 4/9/2014 21:02 @majajerkovic @christinemulla so how do natives who don't speak foreign language many to get kids to understand? #eltchat
ChristineMulla 4/9/2014 21:02 @theteacherjames Exactly. #eltchat
Marisa_C 4/9/2014 21:02 Summary writer pls step forward into the limelight of the Sugata Mitra glory! #eltchat
Shaunwilden 4/9/2014 21:03 RT @Marisa_C: Summary writer pls step forward into the limelight of the Sugata Mitra glory! #eltchat
LeaSobocan 4/9/2014 21:03 @muranava @NinaEnglishBrno Was referring to his "non-knowledgeable, but supportive mentor" #eltchat
Wiktor_K 4/9/2014 21:03 I'm off, goodnight everyone and thanks:) #ELTChat
muranava 4/9/2014 21:03 @HanaTicha @LeaSobocan @HadaLitim have mentioned outof school factors account for about 60 percent of variance in kids achievement #eltchat
Ashowski 4/9/2014 21:03 @ninaenglishbrno @leasobocan he didn't say, people infer it, he referred to grannies in a fun anecdotal way #eltchat
ditaphillips 4/9/2014 21:03 @theteacherjames on the other hand I'm not volunteering for rural India. If it's between a granny or nothing then surely the g wins #eltchat
Marisa_C 4/9/2014 21:03 @LeaSobocan @muranava @NinaEnglishBrno that worried me a bit yes #eltchat
Shaunwilden 4/9/2014 21:03 @Wiktor_K Nite Wiktor #ELTchat
MarjorieRosenbe 4/9/2014 21:03 @Marisa_C Still on the road and have all the post IATEFL stuff to do. Sorry. #eltchat
natibrandi 4/9/2014 21:04 @theteacherjames @HanaTicha yeah, cause i think he is taking about different roles, not doing away with us. #eltchat
Marisa_C 4/9/2014 21:04 @ebefl and why didn't u say hi? grrrrr #eltchat
HadaLitim 4/9/2014 21:04 @HanaTicha @LeaSobocan And parents we bring in to class for the reading hour #eltchat
Shaunwilden 4/9/2014 21:04 Right am outta here see you all next week for the lunchtime #ELTchat
theteacherjames 4/9/2014 21:04 @ditaphillips Agree, although if I was Indian I wouldn’t like these options. #eltchat
Ashowski 4/9/2014 21:04 @eltchat right guys thank you for a fantastic chat! must dash, got a long day ahead of me tomorrow #eltchat
LeaSobocan 4/9/2014 21:05 @NinaEnglishBrno He said the teacher could be replaced with a non-knowledgeable but supportive individual, if I remember correctly #eltchat
ChristineMulla 4/9/2014 21:05 Got to run guys, was great. I love #eltchat There's a #eltchinwag on Monday 8 pm Irish time on CPD in anyone's interested in sharing.
HanaTicha 4/9/2014 21:05 Good night. What a gripping chat! #eltchat
natibrandi 4/9/2014 21:06 @LeaSobocan @NinaEnglishBrno but maybe in contexts where there are no teachers whatsoever? #eltchat
theteacherjames 4/9/2014 21:06 RT @ChristineMulla: Got to run guys, was great. I love #eltchat There's a #eltchinwag on Monday 8 pm Irish time on CPD in anyone's interest…
MarjorieRosenbe 4/9/2014 21:06 Off to bed. Next teacher training is tomorrow.  Night all. #eltchat
Marisa_C 4/9/2014 21:06 Great thanks to all for joining - if anyone changes their mind abt the summary let me know #ELTchat
NinaEnglishBrno 4/9/2014 21:06 @LeaSobocan @muranava why does it bother you?#eltchat
muranava 4/9/2014 21:06 @LeaSobocan @NinaEnglishBrno he says a lot of things that is hard to substantiate #eltchat
RobrtELT 4/9/2014 21:06 G'night ELTeachers ! So good sahring ideas with you #eltchat
natibrandi 4/9/2014 21:06 Thanks everyone. I wish. I could join more often, not while on holiday or down with the flu. A pleasure! #eltchat
theteacherjames 4/9/2014 21:07 @Marisa_C I’ll do it boss. I was going to write a blog post on it anyway. #eltchat
RobrtELT 4/9/2014 21:07 @Ashowski @ELTchat Good luck! #eltchat
muranava 4/9/2014 21:08 @theteacherjames @Marisa_C ahhhh not another one ;) #eltchat
Ashowski 4/9/2014 21:08 @robrtelt @eltchat thanks buddy! you too! #eltchat
Marisa_C 4/9/2014 21:08 @theteacherjames GRRRRReat!!!! You are my hero today :-) #ELTchat which leaves me to do transcript as the other one just left :-( grrr
EdLaur 4/9/2014 21:09 “@muranava: @theteacherjames @Marisa_C ahhhh not another one ;) #eltchat” HaHa  Mitra-ed Out by now!
TESOLacademic 4/9/2014 21:09 Goodnight one and all.  Glad I found time to join in :-)  #ELTchat
Marisa_C 4/9/2014 21:09 @TESOLacademic cheers and good to have u #eltchat
theteacherjames 4/9/2014 21:09 @EdLaur @muranava @Marisa_C hehe, you don’t have to read it! #eltchat #blinkingcheek
LeaSobocan 4/9/2014 21:10 @NinaEnglishBrno @muranava Because I think Ss need more than "well done" to prosper. "Well done" important too, mind. #eltchat
MajaJerkovic 4/9/2014 21:10 @Ashowski @ChristineMulla With a teacher present, learning is easier and possible. Total immersion for instance, guided by a T. #eltchat
theteacherjames 4/9/2014 21:10 @Marisa_C Well it won’t be done tomorrow, so take your time! #eltchat
NinaEnglishBrno 4/9/2014 21:11 Interesting how no1 in this whole SM debate discusses the fact the Indian kids learned English on the way. Hopefully another time.#eltchat
muranava 4/9/2014 21:11 thanks for chat all :) #eltchat
LeaSobocan 4/9/2014 21:12 Okay, signing off, thanks for a thought-provoking #eltchat I feel we only scratched the surface on this one.
duygucandarli 4/9/2014 21:13 I enjoyed the #eltchat about Mitra's plenary on 'The Future of Education &amp; Reactions' tonight. Many interesting ideas. Thanks everyone!
Marisa_C 4/9/2014 21:13 Great to be back with you all on #eltchat - we missed you last week but all a blur really at IATEFL - welcome to new friends too :-)
Marisa_C 4/9/2014 21:14 See you all next week - remember our next chat is at 12 p.m. BST not same time #eltchat

 

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