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 Marisa_C

 26/3/14 20:59

 For the next hour I will be tweeting CFER for #ELTchat with my PLN :-)

 HadaLitim

 26/3/14 21:00

 RT @Marisa_C: For the next hour I will be tweeting CFER for #ELTchat with my PLN :-)

 Shaunwilden

 26/3/14 21:00

 RT @Marisa_C: For the next hour I will be tweeting CFER for #ELTchat with my PLN :-)

 muranava

 26/3/14 21:00

 lurking #eltchat

 Marisa_C

 26/3/14 21:01

 Welcome everyone - loads of documents about today :-) #eltchat We will be talking about the CEFR - how many people joining pls?

 musenz

 26/3/14 21:01

 #eltchat I`m back did ya miss me?

 HadaLitim

 26/3/14 21:01

 @muranava Haha! Join in #eltchat

 MicaelaCarey

 26/3/14 21:02

 Hi all!  I'm here but not sure for how long  #eltchat

 Marisa_C

 26/3/14 21:02

 @musenz lol of course i thought abt u all the time! #eltchat

 HanaTicha

 26/3/14 21:02

 Good evening #eltchat

 Ven_VVE

 26/3/14 21:02

 Hi all! #eltchat

 HadaLitim

 26/3/14 21:02

 @Marisa_C Hi everyone! Joining from the Middle East #eltchat

 Marisa_C

 26/3/14 21:03

 @Ven_VVE @HanaTicha @MicaelaCarey @HadaLitim @musenz @muranava @Shaunwilden A select grp of #ELTchat ppl welcome all

 HadaLitim

 26/3/14 21:03

 @MicaelaCarey Hi Micaela, great to have you with us :) #eltchat

 HadaLitim

 26/3/14 21:03

 @HanaTicha Hi Hana #eltchat

 mary28sou

 26/3/14 21:04

 Good evening, just for about 20 minutes. #eltchat

 EdLaur

 26/3/14 21:04

 #eltchat Good evening, all!

 Shaunwilden

 26/3/14 21:04

 Ok so where shall we begin? #eltchat

 Marisa_C

 26/3/14 21:04

 @EdLaur @mary28sou welcome to #ELTchat YEs let's get going @Shaunwilden

 HadaLitim

 26/3/14 21:05

 @mary28sou Good evening Mary #eltchat

 MicaelaCarey

 26/3/14 21:05

 @HadaLitim Thanks Hada!!  Great to 'see' you too!  :-) #eltchat

 Marisa_C

 26/3/14 21:06

 So may be we can all type something we actually DO know about the CEFR and share it to begin with? #eltchat

 Shaunwilden

 26/3/14 21:06

 Is everyone familiar with CEF? #eltchat

 Marisa_C

 26/3/14 21:06

 RT @Shaunwilden: Is everyone familiar with CEF? #eltchat

 Ven_VVE

 26/3/14 21:06

 Familiar with CEFR, have used ELP with Ss in our school. #eltchat

 EdLaur

 26/3/14 21:07

 #eltchat I use it a lot writing test material for an exam provider telc.  I love the whole idea.

 HadaLitim

 26/3/14 21:08

 Divided in 3 main groups Basic / Independent / Proficient user and sub-divided into 6 - A1 to C2 #eltchat

 Marisa_C

 26/3/14 21:08

 RT @HadaLitim: Divided in 3 main groups Basic / Independent / Proficient user and sub-divided into 6 - A1 to C2 #eltchat

 Shaunwilden

 26/3/14 21:09

 RT @HadaLitim: Divided in 3 main groups Basic / Independent / Proficient user and sub-divided into 6 - A1 to C2 #eltchat

 MicaelaCarey

 26/3/14 21:09

 @Shaunwilden  Somewhat familiar, yes.  I teach mostly YLs.  #eltchat

 HadaLitim

 26/3/14 21:09

 Heps us with placement testing, can-do statements and assessments #eltchat

 HanaTicha

 26/3/14 21:09

 @Ven_VVE Me too The descriptors are important for us Ts to get a general knowledge of what Ss should know when they graduate #eltchat

 EdLaur

 26/3/14 21:10

 #eltchat focuses on communictive skills as opposed to ticking off grammar or vocab lists

 Marisa_C

 26/3/14 21:10

 So all of you familiar #eltchat

 Shaunwilden

 26/3/14 21:10

 Good that everyone knows them? How did you learn about them/ Do you use them in your school? #eltchat

 Ven_VVE

 26/3/14 21:10

 Levels not the same everywhere, remember presentation "Is my C1 your C1?" This can be a problem. #eltchat

 Marisa_C

 26/3/14 21:10

 RT @Shaunwilden: Good that everyone knows them? How did you learn about them/ Do you use them in your school? #eltchat

 mary28sou

 26/3/14 21:10

 CEFR I see every day A1, A2, B1, B2 levels on coursebooks. Like that preint, int, high int  distinct, betr thn old 3 level system.#eltchat

 MicaelaCarey

 26/3/14 21:10

 @HadaLitim Divided in 3 main groups Basic / Independent / Proficient user and sub-divided into 6 - A1 to C2 #eltchat Thanks!

 Shaunwilden

 26/3/14 21:11

 @Ven_VVE But surely they should be the same thats the point isn’t it? #eltchat

 HanaTicha

 26/3/14 21:11

 @Shaunwilden We all had to complete a special course - aimed at the school leaving exam. #eltchat

 HadaLitim

 26/3/14 21:11

 Helps me with needs analysis as I find a lot of course books writers seem to match the descriptors to their levels #eltchat

 Marisa_C

 26/3/14 21:11

 @HanaTicha @Shaunwilden Where was this Hana? #eltchat

 musenz

 26/3/14 21:11

 #eltchat No clue whatsoever.

 Ven_VVE

 26/3/14 21:12

 @Shaunwilden They should, but descriptors are sometimes not specific enough, esp. at higher levels. #eltchat

 Marisa_C

 26/3/14 21:12

 RT @Ven_VVE: @Shaunwilden They should, but descriptors are sometimes not specific enough, esp. at higher levels. #eltchat

 HadaLitim

 26/3/14 21:12

 @Shaunwilden learnt about them when I did my DELTA and had to match them to Ss needs in Ss profiles and aims #eltchat

 HanaTicha

 26/3/14 21:12

 @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden It was a certified course You can't examine Ss at the final exam without the certificate. Central institut. #eltchat

 Shaunwilden

 26/3/14 21:13

 @HanaTicha A special course? What did you have to do? #eltchat

 Marisa_C

 26/3/14 21:13

 @Ven_VVE @Shaunwilden and how does this create problems for your Vedrana? #eltchat

 Marisa_C

 26/3/14 21:14

 @HanaTicha @Shaunwilden was it a course for teachers? not clear to me #eltchat

 HanaTicha

 26/3/14 21:14

 @Shaunwilden We had to learn to recognize all the descriptors. Finally specializing in the B1 descriptor - the outcome #eltchat

 MarjorieRosenbe

 26/3/14 21:14

 I use the levels and discuss them with sts before the class begins. #eltchat

 Shaunwilden

 26/3/14 21:14

 @Marisa_C @HanaTicha Which prompts a further question - how much do we introduce them to our sts? #eltchat

 TESOLacademic

 26/3/14 21:15

 In ELT my sense is more use #IELTS or #TOEFL to benchmark level but European F maybe better? #eltchat

 Shaunwilden

 26/3/14 21:15

 @MarjorieRosenbe Do sts know of them before you discuss them? #eltchat

 HanaTicha

 26/3/14 21:15

 @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C They should know what is expected from them. #eltchat

 Ven_VVE

 26/3/14 21:15

 @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden Erasmus Ss should be B2, but had some Spanish Ss who were probably A2. They couldn't follow. #eltchat

 Marisa_C

 26/3/14 21:15

 Do you find the 6 levels too few - too many - clearly distributed #eltchat

 Shaunwilden

 26/3/14 21:15

 RT @Marisa_C: Do you find the 6 levels too few - too many - clearly distributed #eltchat

 HadaLitim

 26/3/14 21:16

 At the BC where I work, we've simplified them into matching core can-dos #eltchat

 Marisa_C

 26/3/14 21:16

 RT @HadaLitim: At the BC where I work, we've simplified them into matching core can-dos #eltchat

 MarjorieRosenbe

 26/3/14 21:16

 The  English Vocabulary Profile is useful for checking vocab for levels. Also CUP dictionary gives levels for some words. #eltchat

 Shaunwilden

 26/3/14 21:16

 @Marisa_C Have never really thought about if there too few or too many  - just expected there were 6 :-) #eltchat

 Marisa_C

 26/3/14 21:16

 @HadaLitim And are the Ss introduced to them? #eltchat in what way?

 musenz

 26/3/14 21:17

 #eltchat I do not agree with levels or testing in any form and believe it hinders #learning

 Marisa_C

 26/3/14 21:17

 RT @MarjorieRosenbe: The  English Vocabulary Profile is useful for checking vocab for levels. Also CUP dictionary gives levels for some wor…

 HadaLitim

 26/3/14 21:17

 @Shaunwilden we have to show our Ss the core can-dos on the 1st day of the course & agree on the ones they want + optional addions #eltchat

 Marisa_C

 26/3/14 21:17

 @MarjorieRosenbe could you share this link pls Marjorie - a very useful one - not all the vocab there of course #eltchat

 Shaunwilden

 26/3/14 21:17

 @musenz Quite a bold approach to take #eltchat

 HanaTicha

 26/3/14 21:18

 All coursebooks have 'the letters' on them. Ss have a vague idea that A1-A2 is pre-intermediate and so on #eltchat

 MarjorieRosenbe

 26/3/14 21:18

 @Shaunwilden Some do. We've made a doc with descriptors and that's ehat I discuss. Also on website of uni language Institute.  #ELTCHAT

 HadaLitim

 26/3/14 21:18

 Yes @Marisa_C the T has to introduce the can-dos and explain/referring to the coursebook #eltchat

 TheSecretDoS

 26/3/14 21:18

 @TheSecretDoS: We use CEFR in our centre for everything. Ts don't really understand it though. Descriptors are sometimes too broad #eltchat

 Marisa_C

 26/3/14 21:19

 @musenz the idea behind the CEFR levels is some uniformity in objectives and assessment of diff eyropean languages #eltchat

 Shaunwilden

 26/3/14 21:19

 RT @TheSecretDoS: @TheSecretDoS: We use CEFR in our centre for everything. Ts don't really understand it though. Descriptors are sometimes …

 Marisa_C

 26/3/14 21:19

 @musenz our topic today not to discuss the value or otherwise of testing but to talk about this framework for language policies #eltchat :-)

 Shaunwilden

 26/3/14 21:19

 Do you think sts appreciate / value the levels? #eltchat

 HadaLitim

 26/3/14 21:20

 RT @TheSecretDoS: @TheSecretDoS: We use CEFR in our centre for everything. Ts don't really understand it though. Descriptors are sometimes …

 Priscilamateini

 26/3/14 21:20

 RT @MarjorieRosenbe: The  English Vocabulary Profile is useful for checking vocab for levels. Also CUP dictionary gives levels for some wor…

 Marisa_C

 26/3/14 21:20

 @TheSecretDoS And do the teachers know where to find more info? Do they do it? #eltchat

 HadaLitim

 26/3/14 21:20

 RT @Marisa_C: @musenz the idea behind the CEFR levels is some uniformity in objectives and assessment of diff eyropean languages #eltchat

 HanaTicha

 26/3/14 21:20

 @Shaunwilden I think Ts appreciate, Ss don't really care :-) #eltchat

 Ven_VVE

 26/3/14 21:20

 @HanaTicha What level are they supposed to be at the end of elementary school? And high school? #eltchat

 TheSecretDoS

 26/3/14 21:20

 @Shaunwilden most of our Ss don't really get it. IELTS trumps CEFR every time. #eltchat

 HadaLitim

 26/3/14 21:21

 @Shaunwilden Our Ss do. They're highly motivated by level and certificates. #eltchat

 Shaunwilden

 26/3/14 21:21

 @TheSecretDoS I can see why that would be the case more immediate use #eltchat

 HanaTicha

 26/3/14 21:22

 @Ven_VVE Elementary A1, high school B1 #eltchat

 TheSecretDoS

 26/3/14 21:22

 @Marisa_C not really. We plug it heavily. Still, people use CEFR descriptors now... #eltchat

 Shaunwilden

 26/3/14 21:22

 @HanaTicha So how do we make them care? Assuming we should ##eltchat

 mary28sou

 26/3/14 21:22

 I have one S who likes the can do statements, feels he is moving forward this way.#eltchat

 HanaTicha

 26/3/14 21:23

 @Ven_VVE It used to be B2 but the exams had to be dumbed down - lots of diff kinds of high schools= lots of diff levels #eltchat

 Ven_VVE

 26/3/14 21:23

 I think same in Croatia, except elementary A2 RT @HanaTicha: @Ven_VVE Elementary A1, high school B1 #eltchat

 HadaLitim

 26/3/14 21:23

 Ss at higher level who're planning to study abroad get a sense of reassurance knowing their standard level #eltchat

 Shaunwilden

 26/3/14 21:23

 @mary28sou Does he self-assess? #eltchat

 TheSecretDoS

 26/3/14 21:23

 What does everyone make of course book attempts to map themselves onto CEFR? #fraud #eltchat

 Priscilamateini

 26/3/14 21:23

 RT @HadaLitim: @Shaunwilden Our Ss do. They're highly motivated by level and certificates. #eltchat

 Shaunwilden

 26/3/14 21:23

 RT @TheSecretDoS: What does everyone make of course book attempts to map themselves onto CEFR? #fraud #eltchat

 Marisa_C

 26/3/14 21:23

 What are the problems with the can-do statements? #eltchat - apart from 'too broad"  what else ?

 KateLloyd05

 26/3/14 21:23

 @mary28sou That is the nice thing about it - ss. Can judge own progress #ELTCHAT

 Shaunwilden

 26/3/14 21:23

 RT @Marisa_C: What are the problems with the can-do statements? #eltchat - apart from 'too broad"  what else ?

 HanaTicha

 26/3/14 21:24

 @Shaunwilden Honestly, I think it's a tool for Ts, Ss should learn the language. But it can be helpful if you self study #eltchat

 Shaunwilden

 26/3/14 21:24

 @KateLloyd05 @mary28sou Agreed it is a nice thing but sts often need help to judge themselves as the beginning doth they? #eltchat

 MarjorieRosenbe

 26/3/14 21:24

 @Shaunwilden Agree with Hana. We teach different levels, hoghest being a C1 course woth a placement teat xam. #eltchat

 TheSecretDoS

 26/3/14 21:24

 @Marisa_C how do you know when "could do" becomes "can do"? #eltchat

 Priscilamateini

 26/3/14 21:24

 @HadaLitim @Shaunwilden some students are worried about their certificates but not with their level!!! #eltchat

 Ven_VVE

 26/3/14 21:25

 @EdLaur @HanaTicha B2 sounds about right for grammar school, and Germany. I guess most of them get there, right? #eltchat

 KateLloyd05

 26/3/14 21:25

 @Marisa_C ss. may not be able to do 'can dos' but have other abilities - too narrow? #eltchat

 HadaLitim

 26/3/14 21:25

 Can-dos enable us to leave the coursebook and stil reassure sts we're on track wth progress. Ss think coursebooks ar ethe syyllabus #eltchat

 HanaTicha

 26/3/14 21:25

 @Ven_VVE @EdLaur Yes. Most grammar school Ss graduate B2 #eltchat

 Marisa_C

 26/3/14 21:26

 @KateLloyd05 so the can dos not enough obviously - there are other documents of course that do have a lot of detail #eltchat

 Shaunwilden

 26/3/14 21:26

 @HanaTicha but isn’t it supposed to be for a sts to be able to say what level they are etc, all part of the language portfolio  #eltchat

 HadaLitim

 26/3/14 21:26

 RT @Priscilamateini: @HadaLitim @Shaunwilden some students are worried about their certificates but not with their level!!! #eltchat

 TheSecretDoS

 26/3/14 21:26

 I see value in established standards from reputable body. A common benchmark. #eltchat

 EdLaur

 26/3/14 21:27

 @TheSecretDoS Or just relabel existing material!!! #eltchat

 mary28sou

 26/3/14 21:27

 @Shaunwilden Agree Ts need to help Ss judge themselves positively and constructively, a slow process #eltchat

 Ven_VVE

 26/3/14 21:28

 @Shaunwilden @HanaTicha Agree with Hana, CEFR _is_ a tool for tchrs, ELP is for Ss. #eltchat

 Shaunwilden

 26/3/14 21:28

 So who can say what words for example  are at what levels? #eltchat

 Marisa_C

 26/3/14 21:28

 Can send u the breakthrough - waystage etc links if u like - Q: did u know about them? #eltchat

 HanaTicha

 26/3/14 21:28

 @Shaunwilden I'm not familiar with this, Shaun. Here we've been trained to use it as a tool of comparison #eltchat

 HadaLitim

 26/3/14 21:29

 Can dos support learner skills. Ss become mor responsible / accountable of their own learning if they can check their own progress #eltchat

 Shaunwilden

 26/3/14 21:29

 To qualify my ? when working on the czech maturita exam there used to be arguments that sts shouldn’t use words like big at B2 #eltchat

 musenz

 26/3/14 21:29

 @Shaunwilden good question. #eltchat

 mary28sou

 26/3/14 21:29

 Wikipedia article CEFR has no. hours needed for each level but not vocab #eltchat

 Priscilamateini

 26/3/14 21:29

 @HadaLitim and if you get out of the coursebook or use different activities they don't see it as part of their syllabus. #eltchat

 Marisa_C

 26/3/14 21:30

 Have a look here at the English Profile http://t.co/lSDGxKe2wO And explore - vocab search possible #eltchat

 EdLaur

 26/3/14 21:31

 @HadaLitim #eltchat And helpful for a teacher planning own syllabus with no set course book. Can guide choice of tasks

 mary28sou

 26/3/14 21:31

 Quite an interesting topic, thanks all, goodnight! #eltchat

 ebefl

 26/3/14 21:31

 My addition to #eltchat http://t.co/BpiiSyi9GN

 HadaLitim

 26/3/14 21:31

 RT @Marisa_C: Have a look here at the English Profile http://t.co/lSDGxKe2wO And explore - vocab search possible #eltchat

 musenz

 26/3/14 21:31

 @Priscilamateini @HadaLitim ridiculous #eltchat

 Ven_VVE

 26/3/14 21:32

 @HadaLitim they should, but Ts in our school (we teach adults) said Ss weren't interested in that aspect, just self-assessment. #eltchat

 Marisa_C

 26/3/14 21:32

 Confession - doing a talk about the CFER and teacher ed - do u think ur training programme prepare u well for the CFER? #eltchat

 HadaLitim

 26/3/14 21:32

 @EdLaur Yes! Essential if you go dogme #eltchat

 EdLaur

 26/3/14 21:32

 RT @mary28sou: @Shaunwilden Agree Ts need to help Ss judge themselves positively and constructively, a slow process #eltchat

 EdLaur

 26/3/14 21:32

 RT @Ven_VVE: @Shaunwilden @HanaTicha Agree with Hana, CEFR _is_ a tool for tchrs, ELP is for Ss. #eltchat

 Shaunwilden

 26/3/14 21:32

 RT @Marisa_C: Confession - doing a talk about the CFER and teacher ed - do u think ur training programme prepare u well for the CFER? #eltc…

 KateLloyd05

 26/3/14 21:33

 @Shaunwilden but I use 'big' and I'm higher than b2 #eltchat

 Marisa_C

 26/3/14 21:33

 @ebefl hey Russ - great to see u :-) #eltchat guessing thats a critique?

 Shaunwilden

 26/3/14 21:33

 @Marisa_C in my experience no #eltchat

 HadaLitim

 26/3/14 21:33

 @mary28sou Goodnight Mary! See you in a couple of weeks #eltchat

 Marisa_C

 26/3/14 21:34

 @Shaunwilden me neither - beginings of it (theshold etc)  on my Dip and MA the rest hearsay #eltchat

 MarjorieRosenbe

 26/3/14 21:34

 Here's the link fro the profile - you need to sign up but at the moment it is free. http://t.co/Rqca2BU0ut #eltchat

 Priscilamateini

 26/3/14 21:36

 RT @MarjorieRosenbe: Here's the link fro the profile - you need to sign up but at the moment it is free. http://t.co/Rqca2BU0ut #eltchat

 HadaLitim

 26/3/14 21:36

 RT @MarjorieRosenbe: Here's the link fro the profile - you need to sign up but at the moment it is free. http://t.co/Rqca2BU0ut #eltchat

 HanaTicha

 26/3/14 21:36

 @Marisa_C I didn't hear a single meantion of CEFR in my teaching programme. It tells a lot (not about the programme though) #eltchat

 Shaunwilden

 26/3/14 21:36

 @Marisa_C i seem to recall we had a session on it during in-house CPD but not much more than that #eltchat

 HadaLitim

 26/3/14 21:36

 @MarjorieRosenbe Thx Marjorie #eltchat

 Marisa_C

 26/3/14 21:36

 @MarjorieRosenbe thx Marjorie #eltchat

 TESOLacademic

 26/3/14 21:36

 @TheSecretDoS: What does everyone make of course book attempts to map themselves onto CEFR? #fraud #eltchat Just marketing?

 EdLaur

 26/3/14 21:36

 @Shaunwilden #eltchat ???? That's bizarre! Not really in line with CEFR

 muranava

 26/3/14 21:37

 can anyone get a copy of the full text of this http://t.co/r1q1AW4J0L Michael Swan critique of english profile project #eltchat ?

 Ven_VVE

 26/3/14 21:37

 @Marisa_C no, but mine was a long time ago! :) #eltchat

 MarjorieRosenbe

 26/3/14 21:37

 @HanaTicha @Ven_VVE @EdLaur At least those who pass with high grades. Our B1 courses at university are full. #eltchat

 HanaTicha

 26/3/14 21:38

 I've always felt CEFR is a red-tape thing. It took me a while to find some benefits. I was surprised the topic was chosen here:-) #eltchat

 Marisa_C

 26/3/14 21:39

 Do you know about the Breakthrough - Waystage Threshold and Vantage documents? #eltchat

 Ven_VVE

 26/3/14 21:39

 @MarjorieRosenbe @HanaTicha @EdLaur humanities and social sciences? #eltchat

 lauraahaha

 26/3/14 21:39

 Tomorrow morning's Cert #TESOL input is on #edtech! Pls say hi to my trainees - due to finish their course on Fri! #elt #eltchat #efl #esl

 HadaLitim

 26/3/14 21:39

 @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C On my Dip only #eltchat

 MarjorieRosenbe

 26/3/14 21:39

 @Shaunwilden @HanaTicha Exactly. They sometimes need the info for a CV. Also for going abroad to study. #eltchat

 musenz

 26/3/14 21:39

 RT @HanaTicha: I've always felt CEFR is a red-tape thing. It took me a while to find some benefits. I was surprised the topic was chosen he…

 Shaunwilden

 26/3/14 21:40

 @muranava yes probably I subscribe to the journal #eltchat

 cioccas

 26/3/14 21:40

 RT @nathanghall Options for registering for sites without using your personal email http://t.co/s7l2HF3MLw #ELTchat #AusELT < Useful tips!

 idc74

 26/3/14 21:40

 @muranava Looks more like critique of specific projects documented in the books,but to answer your question, no, I'm afraid I can't #eltchat

 HanaTicha

 26/3/14 21:41

 @HadaLitim @ELTchat Surprised = I didn't expect it would be chosen :-) Not saying it's not an interesting topic though #eltchat

 HadaLitim

 26/3/14 21:41

 @Marisa_C No! Only know these terms as Wall Street Institute named its levels with those names ;) #eltchat

 TESOLacademic

 26/3/14 21:41

 ... Waystage Threshold and Vantage documents? #eltchat Do sometimes? never? always? Need these classifications. Maybe we need to challenge?

 cioccas

 26/3/14 21:41

 Apologies to #ELTchat people - I think I just butted in to this mornings chat :-( Will lurk a bit to see what’s happening :-)

 Ven_VVE

 26/3/14 21:42

 @HanaTicha #eltchat My ex-boss was a huge supporter, so we spent a lot of time on it. Ss not used to self-assessment. #eltchat

 MarjorieRosenbe

 26/3/14 21:42

 @HanaTicha I also found it overwhelming at the beginning but have got really used to using them. #eltchat

 Marisa_C

 26/3/14 21:43

 Well - these are great support docs for the different levels - sending you the links Breakthrough Level http://t.co/Syq8GYRWxo #ELTchat

 Shaunwilden

 26/3/14 21:43

 @cioccas Yes you did tut tut will make sure i interrupt the next aus one :-) #eltchat

 EdLaur

 26/3/14 21:43

 @HanaTicha #eltchat I was head of Eng at large language school here /CEFR often made CPD cross-departmental. Same levels, diff languages

 Marisa_C

 26/3/14 21:43

 Waystage Level http://t.co/RXXZjdct2U #eltchat

 HadaLitim

 26/3/14 21:43

 @cioccas Welcome Lesley, we're chatting about the CEFR framework #eltchat

 HanaTicha

 26/3/14 21:43

 @MarjorieRosenbe I also finally found some beauty in it  :-) #eltchat

 cioccas

 26/3/14 21:44

 @Shaunwilden Please do, you’re always welcome on #AusELT :-) #eltchat

 HadaLitim

 26/3/14 21:44

 RT @Marisa_C: Well - these are great support docs for the different levels - sending you the links Breakthrough Level http://t.co/Syq8GYRWx…

 MarjorieRosenbe

 26/3/14 21:44

 Levels also strongly part of Cambridge exam testing. Oral examiners work with them constantly.  #eltchat

 HadaLitim

 26/3/14 21:44

 @Marisa_C Cheers Marisa :) #eltchat

 Marisa_C

 26/3/14 21:44

 Threshold Level http://t.co/QnKS1ZOHlY & Vantage http://t.co/17EFyYNUAJ #eltchat

 EdLaur

 26/3/14 21:44

 @HanaTicha #eltchat Also from organisation point of view, office staff were trained on CEFR and could assist sts of all langauges. So good!

 HadaLitim

 26/3/14 21:44

 RT @Marisa_C: Waystage Level http://t.co/RXXZjdct2U #eltchat

 cioccas

 26/3/14 21:45

 @HadaLitim Thanks Hada, but I’ll just lurk as CEFR is not something used in my context in Australia so I’m not familiar with it #eltchat

 HanaTicha

 26/3/14 21:45

 @MarjorieRosenbe I personally prefer the KET, PET, FCE reference. And that's what Ss seem to be willing to accept more as well #eltchat

 HadaLitim

 26/3/14 21:45

 @MarjorieRosenbe Yup! I do #eltchat

 HadaLitim

 26/3/14 21:45

 RT @Marisa_C: Threshold Level http://t.co/QnKS1ZOHlY & Vantage http://t.co/17EFyYNUAJ #eltchat

 Marisa_C

 26/3/14 21:46

 these are the docs to really look through for notions, functions, contexts, events, grammar & vocab #eltchat

 HanaTicha

 26/3/14 21:46

 @EdLaur I see that in multilingual L1 environment it can be helpful #eltchat

 HadaLitim

 26/3/14 21:47

 @EdLaur @HanaTicha SOunds good - did the Ts willingly/happily embrace them? #eltchat

 Marisa_C

 26/3/14 21:47

 RT @HadaLitim: @EdLaur @HanaTicha SOunds good - did the Ts willingly/happily embrace them? #eltchat

 HanaTicha

 26/3/14 21:47

 @Ven_VVE It can be quite overwhelming if the boss is a huge supporer of anything :-) #eltchat

 idc74

 26/3/14 21:47

 @MarjorieRosenbe Good reason for that: Cambridge were part of the ALTE team who first developed the CEFR http://t.co/Lu1eJYnFJr #eltchat

 Shaunwilden

 26/3/14 21:47

 RT @MarjorieRosenbe: Levels also strongly part of Cambridge exam testing. Oral examiners work with them constantly.  #eltchat

 EdLaur

 26/3/14 21:47

 @HadaLitim @MarjorieRosenbe #eltchat Me too, for telc exams though

 HadaLitim

 26/3/14 21:48

 I find the can-dos helpful but not sure about the vocab lists #eltchat

 musenz

 26/3/14 21:48

 RT @HanaTicha: @Ven_VVE It can be quite overwhelming if the boss is a huge supporer of anything :-) #eltchat

 Marisa_C

 26/3/14 21:48

 @HadaLitim Can you explain Hada? #eltchat

 HadaLitim

 26/3/14 21:48

 RT @idc74: @MarjorieRosenbe Good reason for that: Cambridge were part of the ALTE team who first developed the CEFR http://t.co/Lu1eJYnFJr …

 MarjorieRosenbe

 26/3/14 21:49

 @idc74 That's clear but it does seem to make sense to my sts. They likecthe classification idea. #eltchat

 EdLaur

 26/3/14 21:49

 @HadaLitim #eltchat All new teachers don't know any different, others might have taken time, but materials, classnames all changed to cefr

 Shaunwilden

 26/3/14 21:50

 RT @EdLaur: @HadaLitim #eltchat All new teachers don't know any different, others might have taken time, but materials, classnames all chan…

 Marisa_C

 26/3/14 21:50

 @EdLaur @HadaLitim almost like a new fashion!!! :-) #eltchat

 Ven_VVE

 26/3/14 21:50

 @HanaTicha true. :) But at the time I was really enthusiastic abt it too - maybe 6-7 yrs ago. #eltchat

 MarjorieRosenbe

 26/3/14 21:50

 @HadaLitim The vocab lists are really helpful when writing materials.  #eltchat

 Shaunwilden

 26/3/14 21:50

 RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @HadaLitim The vocab lists are really helpful when writing materials.  #eltchat

 Marisa_C

 26/3/14 21:50

 RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @HadaLitim The vocab lists are really helpful when writing materials.  #eltchat

 Priscilamateini

 26/3/14 21:51

 RT @Marisa_C: Well - these are great support docs for the different levels - sending you the links Breakthrough Level http://t.co/Syq8GYRWx…

 HadaLitim

 26/3/14 21:51

 @Marisa_C May be because I'm not as familiar wth them - I feel the theme should be presented by the T but the vocab emerge from Ss #eltchat

 HanaTicha

 26/3/14 21:51

 @Ven_VVE The only problem I have with it now that it seems too analytical (as opposed to holistic approach) #eltchat

 Marisa_C

 26/3/14 21:52

 @HadaLitim for an allegedly communicative framework pretty perscriptive - no? #eltchat

 Shaunwilden

 26/3/14 21:52

 RT @Marisa_C: @HadaLitim for an allegedly communicative framework pretty perscriptive - no? #eltchat

 idc74

 26/3/14 21:53

 @MarjorieRosenbe Yes. Not always useful to over-simplify categories, but as a teacher I also found that sts liked it. #eltchat

 EdLaur

 26/3/14 21:53

 @HanaTicha @Ven_VVE #eltchat I think sometimes it is us teachers driving that. Some want everything black and white

 HadaLitim

 26/3/14 21:53

 RT @HanaTicha: @Ven_VVE The only problem I have with it now that it seems too analytical (as opposed to holistic approach) #eltchat

 heikephilp

 26/3/14 21:53

 Are you discussing the CEFR? #eltchat

 EdLaur

 26/3/14 21:53

 RT @HadaLitim: @Marisa_C May be because I'm not as familiar wth them - I feel the theme should be presented by the T but the vocab emerge f…

 Shaunwilden

 26/3/14 21:53

 @heikephilp yep  #eltchat

 Ven_VVE

 26/3/14 21:54

 @HanaTicha true, but u cd focus on getting Ss to develop self-assessment skills. Not a tradition in Croatia so v.hard for them. #eltchat

 HadaLitim

 26/3/14 21:54

 @Marisa_C Yes exactly. And not too keen on decontextualised word lists. #eltchat

 Marisa_C

 26/3/14 21:54

 @heikephilp yes :-) we are #eltchat - want to announce CEFR conference?

 MarjorieRosenbe

 26/3/14 21:54

 @idc74 I tend to be careful with classifications but this does help with sense of progress and goals. #eltchat

 Shaunwilden

 26/3/14 21:55

 Coming towards the end of #eltchat who wants to do the summary?

 HanaTicha

 26/3/14 21:55

 @Ven_VVE Ss' self assessment is important. I've been focusing on it a lot lately. Not a tradition here either #eltchat

 HadaLitim

 26/3/14 21:55

 RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @idc74 I tend to be careful with classifications but this does help with sense of progress and goals. #eltchat

 Shaunwilden

 26/3/14 21:55

 RT @heikephilp: Allow me to invite you to the http://t.co/1BbO9Oznfm this Fri/Sat with the very creators of the framework #eltchat

 HadaLitim

 26/3/14 21:56

 @MarjorieRosenbe @idc74 Exactly how I feel about it #eltchat

 heikephilp

 26/3/14 21:56

 Please be invited to the 1st http://t.co/WI0m1dx00G this Fri/Sat with the creators of the framework: Johanna Panthier, Brian North..#eltchat

 MarjorieRosenbe

 26/3/14 21:56

 @heikephilp: Allow me to invite you to the http://t.co/P5WGQQ1tWc this Fri/Sat with creators of the framework: FYI #eltchat    en    http://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1423546568/Margie_portrait__blue__cropped_1_3mb_normal.jpg    <a href=http://twitter.com/downlo

 HadaLitim

 26/3/14 21:57

 RT @Shaunwilden: RT @heikephilp: Allow me to invite you to the http://t.co/1BbO9Oznfm this Fri/Sat with the very creators of the framework …

 EdLaur

 26/3/14 21:57

 RT @Shaunwilden: RT @heikephilp: Allow me to invite you to the http://t.co/1BbO9Oznfm this Fri/Sat with the very creators of the framework …

 Marisa_C

 26/3/14 21:57

 @heikephilp great we'll post it on our facebook grp as well #eltchat

 heikephilp

 26/3/14 21:57

 .. Daniel Coste, Joe Sheils, Susanna Slivensky, David Little, Jose Noijons and many others #eltchat

 HadaLitim

 26/3/14 21:57

 @Shaunwilden @heikephilp Sounds great! Am I invited? ;) #eltchat

 muranava

 26/3/14 21:57

 fyi for #corpora peeps leeds intellitext http://t.co/WoU36U8qg4 shows CEFR levels for concordances #eltchat

 Shaunwilden

 26/3/14 21:58

 Volunteer for the summary? #eltchat

 Ven_VVE

 26/3/14 21:58

 #eltchat @HanaTicha yes, Ss expect T to be the one who can assess their level beyond any doubt.

 HadaLitim

 26/3/14 21:58

 RT @muranava: fyi for #corpora peeps leeds intellitext http://t.co/WoU36U8qg4 shows CEFR levels for concordances #eltchat

 heikephilp

 26/3/14 21:58

 Yes, the web conference is free http://t.co/DrVpv23YuW and a unique chance to meet these professors emeritus. #eltchat

 Marisa_C

 26/3/14 21:58

 @muranava loooovely :-) thanks ever so much #eltchat

 Ven_VVE

 26/3/14 21:58

 RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @idc74 I tend to be careful with classifications but this does help with sense of progress and goals. #eltchat

 HadaLitim

 26/3/14 21:58

 @muranava Excellent! Thx!! #eltchat

 MarjorieRosenbe

 26/3/14 21:59

 @Shaunwilden barely managing all before IATEFL - have to pass. #eltchat

 Marisa_C

 26/3/14 21:59

 RT @Shaunwilden: Volunteer for the summary? #eltchat - Ok it's THAT time!!!! Who is up for a summery summary?

 Shaunwilden

 26/3/14 21:59

 As we come to the end of  #eltchat remember there is no chat next week as it’s #IATEFL

 HadaLitim

 26/3/14 21:59

 RT @heikephilp: Yes, the web conference is free http://t.co/DrVpv23YuW and a unique chance to meet these professors emeritus. #eltchat

 musenz

 26/3/14 22:00

 #eltchat Thanks all - scurrying off into my corner now. Bye.

 HadaLitim

 26/3/14 22:00

 RT @Shaunwilden: As we come to the end of  #eltchat remember there is no chat next week as it’s #IATEFL

 Marisa_C

 26/3/14 22:00

 Anyone up for writing the summary pls step forward #eltchat

 ELTchat

 26/3/14 22:00

 RT @Shaunwilden: As we come to the end of  #eltchat remember there is no chat next week as it’s #IATEFL

 Marisa_C

 26/3/14 22:00

 RT @Shaunwilden: As we come to the end of  #eltchat remember there is no chat next week as it’s #IATEFL

 HanaTicha

 26/3/14 22:00

 Thank you all and good night. Can't wait to see my B1 students tomorrow :-) #eltchat

 Shaunwilden

 26/3/14 22:01

 @MarjorieRosenbe Yes see you next week for the memcom meeting if not before  #eltchat

 Shaunwilden

 26/3/14 22:02

 night all  #eltchat

 Marisa_C

 26/3/14 22:02

 Next week we'll tweet IATEFL stuff from Harrogate #ELTchat and keep in touch that way - make notes on topics for future chats!!!!

 muranava

 26/3/14 22:03

 thanks everyone #eltchat #lurkingcanbeproductive :)

 EdLaur

 26/3/14 22:03

 #eltchat Thanks. Was very interesting. Now off to read all this great material!

 Ven_VVE

 26/3/14 22:03

 Good night, all. #eltchat Enjoy IATEFL, those of you who are going!

 HadaLitim

 26/3/14 22:03

 RT @Marisa_C: Next week we'll tweet IATEFL stuff from Harrogate #ELTchat and keep in touch that way - make notes on topics for future chats…

 JessFrye1

 26/3/14 22:03

 RT @muranava: fyi for #corpora peeps leeds intellitext http://t.co/WoU36U8qg4 shows CEFR levels for concordances #eltchat

 MarjorieRosenbe

 26/3/14 22:03

 @Shaunwilden: night all  #eltchat Second that.Night all. #eltchat

 HadaLitim

 26/3/14 22:04

 Thanks and goodnight everyone. #eltchat

 Marisa_C

 26/3/14 22:05

 web conf on the CEFR - will be presenting a talk on Saturday which why i was asking u all these Qs http://t.co/7j8oHgCc5u #eltchat

 HadaLitim

 26/3/14 22:06

 RT @Marisa_C: web conf on the CEFR - will be presenting a talk on Saturday which why i was asking u all these Qs http://t.co/7j8oHgCc5u #el…

 TESOLacademic

 26/3/14 22:07

 K.Johnson was heavily involved in early years which arguably led to CLT his reflections r on k'notes 08-10 http://t.co/yS4fLOmwUS #eltchat

 Marisa_C

 26/3/14 22:08

 @TESOLacademic I know! He was my prof (tho not a prof at the time)_ when I did my MA at Reading :-) #eltchat

 TESOLacademic

 26/3/14 22:09

 RT @Marisa_C: @TESOLacademic I know! He was my prof (tho not a prof at the time)_ when I did my MA at Reading :-) #eltchat