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Evaluation and measuring progress in reflective practice

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#ELTchat Transcript for 26/02/2014 on Reflective practice and ways of evaluating it and measuring progress

 

Evaluation & measuring progress in reflective practice.xlsx

 

Marisa_C 2/26/14 21:02 Hi - is anyone around for an #ELTchat?
Wiktor_K 2/26/14 21:03 I'm here! #ELTChat
anciana 2/26/14 21:03 Ready for a chat! #eltchat
Innov8rEduc8r 2/26/14 21:03 Greg from Melbourne Australia. Hi all. #eltchat
HadaLitim 2/26/14 21:03 Hello everyone #ELTchat
anciana 2/26/14 21:04 #eltchat Maryanne from Germantown, Maryland
Shaunwilden 2/26/14 21:04 Oops its 9 i didn’t see that #eltchat
HanaTicha 2/26/14 21:04 Hello #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/26/14 21:04 @Innov8rEduc8r @anciana @Wiktor_K hello and welcome Mods tonight @Shaunwilden and me and @Hada new kid on the mod block #eltchat
joannacre 2/26/14 21:05 Hi :)#eltchat
Wiktor_K 2/26/14 21:05 Hi all, good to see you again. #ELTChat
MarjorieRosenbe 2/26/14 21:05 @EnglishOutThere @GrowMyEnglish @tefladventures I'm here - will be lurking for awile first #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/26/14 21:05 @HanaTicha @joannacre Welcome welcome @Shaunwilden almost missed it too #eltchat
HadaLitim 2/26/14 21:06 @Marisa_C @Innov8rEduc8r @anciana @Wiktor_K @Shaunwilden @hada Hi everyone #eltchat
NewbieCELTA 2/26/14 21:06 #ELTchat hi everyone :)
Shaunwilden 2/26/14 21:06 Evening all, shall we begin? #eltchat
mariacolussa 2/26/14 21:07 Good evening #eltchat greetings from Argentina!
eilymurphy 2/26/14 21:07 Hi there #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2/26/14 21:07 Hi everyone.  #eltchat
HadaLitim 2/26/14 21:07 @MarjorieRosenbe @EnglishOutThere @GrowMyEnglish @tefladventuresHi Marjorie, you know what lurking leads to ;) Staying til the end #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/26/14 21:07 @NewbieCELTA hi and hi @MarjorieRosenbe let's begin yes - has anyone had a chance to read previous #ELTchat
Wiktor_K 2/26/14 21:08 Went through it in some detail - does the topic mean we pick up where it left off? #ELTChat
Shaunwilden 2/26/14 21:08 RT @Wiktor_K: Went through it in some detail - does the topic mean we pick up where it left off? #ELTChat
anciana 2/26/14 21:08 Yes.  Quite interesting.#eltchat
Marisa_C 2/26/14 21:08 Shall we briefly recap what we understand by reflective practice - u can read post as ur crib notes :-) #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2/26/14 21:08 @Marisa_C @NewbieCELTA sorry but no.#eltchat
Marisa_C 2/26/14 21:08 @Wiktor_K yes - i guess - tho a brief recap is also fine #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2/26/14 21:09 RT @Marisa_C: Shall we briefly recap what we understand by reflective practice - u can read post as ur crib notes :-) #eltchat
mickstout 2/26/14 21:09 @mickstout @shaunwilden Oops! Forgot the hash tag...Sorry #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2/26/14 21:09 @Marisa_C Is it using a mirror so you can see yourself teach? ;-) #eltchat
HadaLitim 2/26/14 21:09 Defintion:  mulling over what worked, what didn’t, why & how to improve #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2/26/14 21:09 @Marisa_C @Wiktor_K Recap would be great. #eltchat
Wiktor_K 2/26/14 21:10 Best question I ever heard from a coach, repeated v. often: "what happened there?" - for me, sums up reflective practice #ELTChat
Marisa_C 2/26/14 21:11 @mickstout @shaunwilden Hey Mick your (sort of ) topic got voted :-) u have to stay and keep awake! #eltchat
Innov8rEduc8r 2/26/14 21:11 Unpacking what worked. Doing more of it. #eltchat
HadaLitim 2/26/14 21:11 Starting early in a career is good #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/26/14 21:12 @Shaunwilden  Nice analogy Shaun. 1 thing noticed in summary of last chat on this topic was that nothing said about goal setting. #eltchat
anciana 2/26/14 21:12 #eltchat Previous chat looked at "how and when to start? How do we reflect? and Back planning.
mickstout 2/26/14 21:12 @Marisa_C @shaunwilden Gotta mark entrance exams 2day @Marisa_C Gotta get on the train soon... #eltchat
Innov8rEduc8r 2/26/14 21:12 Trying to see what happened through another's eyes #eltchat
HadaLitim 2/26/14 21:12 Many found blogging an effective practice #eltchat
NewbieCELTA 2/26/14 21:12 #ELTchat RP based on the ELC = Experiential Learning Cycle
HanaTicha 2/26/14 21:12 @Wiktor_K What happened here would be only the first step, though. Not the whole story. #eltchat
mariacolussa 2/26/14 21:12 #eltchat I used to do it all the time (in my head), started blogging lately, very useful and different.
Innov8rEduc8r 2/26/14 21:13 Asking the curly questions. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2/26/14 21:13 @Innov8rEduc8r Curly? #eltchat
Wiktor_K 2/26/14 21:13 @HanaTicha sure! It's just that an open Q like this is better for many who find it hard to get started :) Guess U had 2 be there #ELTChat
Marisa_C 2/26/14 21:13 @HanaTicha I really liked your blog post abt how u use self created video snippets of ur lessons for reflection #eltchat
Innov8rEduc8r 2/26/14 21:14 Curly questions: Those questions that really push us out of our comfort zones #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2/26/14 21:14 RT @Innov8rEduc8r: Curly questions: Those questions that really push us out of our comfort zones #eltchat
joannacre 2/26/14 21:14 @Innov8rEduc8r yeah like ur sts feedback too #eltchat
HanaTicha 2/26/14 21:14 @Marisa_C Did you? Thanks :-) #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/26/14 21:14 @HanaTicha videotapes her Ss and then looks at videos #eltchat can u share link pls
Innov8rEduc8r 2/26/14 21:15 .@joannacre For sure Joanna. Student feedback is key. They're feeding back all the time. #eltchat
HadaLitim 2/26/14 21:15 @Marisa_C @HanaTicha Yes, I read and watched that too. Very inspirational #eltchat
mickstout 2/26/14 21:15 @Shaunwilden @marisa_c I think that reflective practice needs to be systematic. You need to problematise, investigate, and share. #eltchat
Innov8rEduc8r 2/26/14 21:15 Important too - to train our eyes and ears to what we do well. Often too focused on what went wrong. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2/26/14 21:15 @Marisa_C @HanaTicha without wishing to dampen a good idea, video sts does need to be done with permission #eltchat
anciana 2/26/14 21:16 #eltchat I teach online and have a very comprehensive syllabus.  In each mod Ss have reply in forum students How did it go? Then I revise.
Marisa_C 2/26/14 21:16 Some of our reflections are intuitive & not fully articulated but structured reflection has different demands #eltchat
mariacolussa 2/26/14 21:16 @HadaLitim @Marisa_C @HanaTicha #ELTchat my adult students would panic at the idea of getting recorded, though.
eilymurphy 2/26/14 21:16 sharing is good - I can do this when I'm driving home - but better when done with a trusted colleague #eltchat
peterrenshu 2/26/14 21:16 RT @mickstout: @Shaunwilden @marisa_c I think that reflective practice needs to be systematic. You need to problematise, investigate, and s…
HanaTicha 2/26/14 21:16 @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C True. That's what you need. Written permission from parents #eltchat
anciana 2/26/14 21:16 #eltchat Meant to say I revise/ update the syllabus for next time.
Shaunwilden 2/26/14 21:17 @mickstout @marisa_c that assumes there was problem? Maybe you just want to improve sth but it wasnt necessarily a problem #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/26/14 21:17 @Shaunwilden @HanaTicha I don't think she shares - do u? #eltchat
HanaTicha 2/26/14 21:17 @mariacolussa @HadaLitim @Marisa_C My students love it. A good age I suppose :-) #eltchat
Wiktor_K 2/26/14 21:17 Video always brings the observer effect to mind - would ss behave differently if the camera wasn't there? Or teachers? #ELTChat
Marisa_C 2/26/14 21:17 @mariacolussa our adult Ss are so used to being videotaped it's awesome - very cool abt it #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2/26/14 21:18 @HanaTicha @mariacolussa @HadaLitim @Marisa_C yes they do tend to like it #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/26/14 21:18 @Wiktor_K when it becomes an everyday thing eventually they forget #eltchat abt video
mariacolussa 2/26/14 21:18 @Wiktor_K #eltchat for some young students recording is part of their lives ;)
mickstout 2/26/14 21:18 @Marisa_C @hanaticha I have recorded my sts conversations from the beginning 2 end of yr. #eltchat
eilymurphy 2/26/14 21:19 agree - Ss and we get used to being observed , teaching in rooms with glass walls help #eltchat
mariacolussa 2/26/14 21:19 @mickstout @Marisa_C @hanaticha I would love to do it only that I would need a method. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2/26/14 21:20 RT @eilymurphy: agree - Ss and we get used to being observed , teaching in rooms with glass walls help #eltchat
HanaTicha 2/26/14 21:20 Recordings of any type reveal things one would never discover themselves. Details but important ones.  #eltchat
mickstout 2/26/14 21:20 @Shaunwilden @marisa_c Don't mean problematise doesn't mean that there is a problem in the sense u ar taking it. #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/26/14 21:20 Well recording lessons in some way are a good first step - what we do with the data is the next important step #eltchat
HadaLitim 2/26/14 21:20 @eilymurphy How? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2/26/14 21:21 RT @Marisa_C: Well recording lessons in some way are a good first step - what we do with the data is the next important step #eltchat
Wiktor_K 2/26/14 21:21 OK - recording for me implies "there'll be time 2 reflect later." Has anyone got methods of instant, in-class reflective practice? #ELTChat
HadaLitim 2/26/14 21:21 @mariacolussa @mickstout @Marisa_C @HanaTicha I was just thinking that. Would it work better with more than one camera? #eltchat
mickstout 2/26/14 21:21 @HanaTicha Totally agree! But systematic analysis of recording equally important. #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/26/14 21:21 @HanaTicha I think you hit a nail there somwehere - detail is important - not just intuition - to base our action plan on #eltchat
joannacre 2/26/14 21:22 @HadaLitim @eilymurphy u feel sme is watching u :)#eltchat
Ven_VVE 2/26/14 21:22 Hi all, late today, trying to see what ground you've covered up to now. #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/26/14 21:22 There are different ways of analysing classroom events #eltchat OR the classroom discourse and what it reveals
HanaTicha 2/26/14 21:23 I'm not a very analytical person so Reflective Practice helps me a lot to see things more clearly. It just makes me analyze. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2/26/14 21:23 @Ven_VVE Quick reminder of what reflective practice is, talking about the benefits if videoing #eltchat
joannacre 2/26/14 21:23 @Wiktor_K well, your sts reactions, no? #eltchat
Innov8rEduc8r 2/26/14 21:23 Agreed @Wiktor_K  Our time is preciousl. How do we develop our skills so that we can reflect in the moment? #eltchat
HanaTicha 2/26/14 21:23 @Ven_VVE Hi, Vedrana :-) Glad to see you. #eltchat
mickstout 2/26/14 21:23 @Marisa_C @hanaticha That's what I'm getting at! 2 get details u need to set golas, ask specific questions. Know what u r lking 4! #eltchat
eilymurphy 2/26/14 21:23 when we record classes (obsvt is hard to organise) we pull  details/ snippets to put on  teachers' blog - with teacher's consent  #eltchat
Innov8rEduc8r 2/26/14 21:23 RT @Wiktor_K: OK - recording for me implies "there'll be time 2 reflect later." Has anyone got methods of instant, in-class reflective prac…
Ven_VVE 2/26/14 21:24 @Shaunwilden Right, @HanaTicha's post, read that, liked it very much! #eltchat
mickstout 2/26/14 21:24 @Marisa_C Such as? #eltchat
Wiktor_K 2/26/14 21:24 @joannacre This, like recording, is 1st step :) It takes structure & discipline to react in a meaningful way, I think #ELTChat
Ven_VVE 2/26/14 21:25 @HanaTicha Hey, Hana! :) My 1st #eltchat since last year. I'm out of practice. :(
HadaLitim 2/26/14 21:25 During Delta, my tutor filmed my lessons a few times. Useful #eltchat
eilymurphy 2/26/14 21:26 @mickstout @Marisa_C @hanaticha do u set goals before or work backwards and fix pbs? #ELTchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2/26/14 21:26 @Innov8rEduc8r Agree. We should associate with the positive and disassociate from the negative. Takes practice of though. #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/26/14 21:26 @mickstout for example looking at the T's speech acts, moves % of talk and what kind  directive/instructional/eliciting? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2/26/14 21:26 @eilymurphy @mickstout @Marisa_C @hanaticha can’t it be both? #eltchat
HanaTicha 2/26/14 21:27 RT @eilymurphy do u set goals before or work backwards and fix pbs? #ELTchat > a good question> I think it's wise to do both :-)
Marisa_C 2/26/14 21:27 While training on a course easier to set goals based on tutor feedback - on one's own u examine ur teaching & its effects i guess #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2/26/14 21:27 @HanaTicha @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C  Just heard that videos are not permitted at  public universities either. #eltchat
Innov8rEduc8r 2/26/14 21:28 I have found that I can fixate on something that went awry - while studiously missing the myriads of positives passing me by #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/26/14 21:28 @MarjorieRosenbe voice recordings aso reveal a lot #eltchat
HadaLitim 2/26/14 21:28 @Marisa_C @mickstout Great way to observe the impact of instruction on the Ss #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2/26/14 21:28 RT @Innov8rEduc8r: I have found that I can fixate on something that went awry - while studiously missing the myriads of positives passing m…
Wiktor_K 2/26/14 21:28 Goals: I'm with Shaun - work to goals set before & tinker with whatever you see needs fixing. #ELTChat
annadelconte 2/26/14 21:29 RT @Innov8rEduc8r: I have found that I can fixate on something that went awry - while studiously missing the myriads of positives passing m…
MarjorieRosenbe 2/26/14 21:29 @Marisa_C True. That's a good alternative.  #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/26/14 21:29 @Wiktor_K sure but the goals come from previosu reflections and poss unstructured intuitions #eltchat @shaun not out of thin air
joannacre 2/26/14 21:29 @Innov8rEduc8r yeap. sometimes it's easier to find the weaknesses than the streghts of ur lesson #eltchat
HanaTicha 2/26/14 21:30 @Marisa_C @Wiktor_K @shaun Exactly. It's a virtuous circle :-) #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2/26/14 21:30 @Wiktor_K Yes it can be an ongoing thing, start by fixing then see sth else and so on #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/26/14 21:30 @joannacre @Innov8rEduc8r  too much self-flaggellation not always goo - ca ruin the good stuff as well #eltchat
Wiktor_K 2/26/14 21:30 @Marisa_C  agreee - and from your students, and from workplace demands...there's more goals sources here than Ts realize, imho #ELTChat
Innov8rEduc8r 2/26/14 21:30 Actuall #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/26/14 21:30 RT @HanaTicha: @Marisa_C @Wiktor_K @shaun Exactly. It's a virtuous circle :-) #eltchat
eilymurphy 2/26/14 21:30 agree it is v. personal, video snippets used only in 1:1 perf reviews, points raised more generally can dealt with in T training #ELTchat
HadaLitim 2/26/14 21:31 @Marisa_C @MarjorieRosenbe Yes, good alternative and probably easier on Ss #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/26/14 21:31 I would recommend using your normal recording tool or Evernote which does great voice recordings accessed anywhere #eltchat & can take notes
teacherdude 2/26/14 21:32 RT @Marisa_C: I would recommend using your normal recording tool or Evernote which does great voice recordings accessed anywhere #eltchat &…
Ven_VVE 2/26/14 21:32 Definitely! RT @Marisa_C: @joannacre @Innov8rEduc8r  too much self-flaggellation not always goo - ca ruin the good stuff as well #eltchat
Innov8rEduc8r 2/26/14 21:32 What am I doing well?What are the students doing well? When are we 'in flow?" Amplify & Expand this space. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2/26/14 21:32 @Marisa_C Never thought of using evernote for reflection before, nice idea #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/26/14 21:32 Has enyone used self-evaluation checklists - e.g like the ones we use to grade CELTA or DELTA lessons? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2/26/14 21:32 RT @Marisa_C: Has enyone used self-evaluation checklists - e.g like the ones we use to grade CELTA or DELTA lessons? #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/26/14 21:33 @Shaunwilden makes very lightweight recordings - available from all ur devices etc #eltchat
Innov8rEduc8r 2/26/14 21:33 Evernote great tool to capture quick thoughts or realisations. Time saver! #eltchat
Wiktor_K 2/26/14 21:33 @Marisa_C self-checklists - did this for 1st year post-CELTA. Still needed sth more "live" - like a doctor's dictaphone maybe :D #ELTChat
BothLearning 2/26/14 21:33 RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @Innov8rEduc8r Agree. We should associate with the positive and disassociate from the negative. Takes practice of thou…
joannacre 2/26/14 21:34 @Innov8rEduc8r what I'm doing well/what I didn't do/what I need to do #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/26/14 21:34 @Wiktor_K a checklist can be self created - or with ur collegues not an official one necessariry #eltchat
HanaTicha 2/26/14 21:34 @Marisa_C I don't find find checklists flexible enough. I can't imagine using them for RP. But you got me thinking, Marisa :-) #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/26/14 21:34 @HanaTicha Make ur own Hana #eltchat and give to Ss as well if ok with u
Ven_VVE 2/26/14 21:34 @HanaTicha @Marisa_C I suppose u cd always adapt them to your needs. #eltchat
Wiktor_K 2/26/14 21:35 @Marisa_C yup - my 1st DoS had a "gut feeling" section on her checklist which I loved and stolen from her! #ELTChat
Marisa_C 2/26/14 21:35 @Ven_VVE @HanaTicha u can make ur own #eltchat and then from assessment form an action plan
Shaunwilden 2/26/14 21:35 @Marisa_C Yes i knew that bit (I use evernote daily) just not thought about it for that purpose #eltchat
eilymurphy 2/26/14 21:35 RT @eilymurphy: @Marisa_C wd like to see these -does formal checklist help or hinder to touchy feely aspects of reflection? #eltchat
HanaTicha 2/26/14 21:36 @Marisa_C Not a bad idea. Create and gradually expand the checklist based on your needs and discoveries #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/26/14 21:36 @Wiktor_K we do as well - but on a CELTA  the Qs are broad PLUS lots of oral discussion feedback #eltchat
HadaLitim 2/26/14 21:36 I have got used to including a few questions in the end-of-lesson f/b wth my Ss which really help me reflect #eltchat
Innov8rEduc8r 2/26/14 21:36 Reflecting on my language: 'need', 'should', 'must'. How do these words serve me and my students? #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/26/14 21:37 Another thing we do is train Ts to create individual checklists e,g, on vocabulary teaching or on reading #eltchat
NewbieCELTA 2/26/14 21:37 #ELTchat refl. can become self-indulgent sometimes? i've been thinking of reflection better as social interaction - w/ "reflective partner"
naomishema 2/26/14 21:37 I thought that late was better than not at all. Hello there #eltchat
Innov8rEduc8r 2/26/14 21:37 Having a focus for the session can help: Just 1 thing to look and listen for #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/26/14 21:38 @NewbieCELTA my reflection 'buddie' a great idea - can be on the other side of the world too also #eltchat
Ven_VVE 2/26/14 21:38 @HadaLitim Same or different (depending on lesson) each time? #eltchat
Wiktor_K 2/26/14 21:38 @Innov8rEduc8r Totally- many Ts too busy to strive for many goals at once & likely to become depressed with multitasking in the end #ELTChat
Shaunwilden 2/26/14 21:38 @HanaTicha @Marisa_C Is the danger with expanding that it means you end with an almost impossible list to fulfil from one lesson? #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/26/14 21:38 @HanaTicha or reduce and narrow down to type of lesson u want to focus on #eltchat
joannacre 2/26/14 21:38 @NewbieCELTA I like that #eltchat
eilymurphy 2/26/14 21:39 @NewbieCELTA agree - it's about putting words on what went well/badly and comparing startegies #eltchat
HanaTicha 2/26/14 21:39 @NewbieCELTA Well, what's bad about trying to look for the positives. We've been criticized for all our lives :-) #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/26/14 21:39 @Shaunwilden @HanaTicha no was saying quite the opposite #eltchat
HadaLitim 2/26/14 21:39 @Ven_VVE Different depending on both my aims for the lesson and personal aims #eltchat
HanaTicha 2/26/14 21:39 @Marisa_C That's what I wanted to add - narrow down. You're reading my mind :-) #eltchat
Wiktor_K 2/26/14 21:40 That's the beauty of a reflection buddy: you discuss things that were really crap in strong terms - most official reflection can't! #ELTChat
Shaunwilden 2/26/14 21:40 RT @Wiktor_K: That's the beauty of a reflection buddy: you discuss things that were really crap in strong terms - most official reflection …
Marisa_C 2/26/14 21:41 Many suggest reflective journals -what about blogs instead - or if with a reflection 'buddy' a wiki in which u let it all hang out #eltchat
HanaTicha 2/26/14 21:41 @Marisa_C I mean - expand the list but at the same time get rid of criteria you don't need any more. #eltchat
naomishema 2/26/14 21:41 RT @Marisa_C: Many suggest reflective journals -what about blogs instead - or if with a reflection 'buddy' a wiki in which u let it all han…
Marisa_C 2/26/14 21:41 @HanaTicha yes - with you now #eltchat
HadaLitim 2/26/14 21:42 @Marisa_C @HanaTicha To me the narrower the better. I get overwhelmed otherwise #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/26/14 21:42 RT @eilymurphy: @Marisa_C wd like to see these -does formal checklist help or hinder to touchy feely aspects of reflection? #ELTchat
Ven_VVE 2/26/14 21:42 @HadaLitim Do you find that you have fewer questions with time? #eltchat
joannacre 2/26/14 21:42 @eilymurphy @NewbieCELTA yes, but what went well with one class/st doesn't necessarily mean it will go well with another st.#eltchat
Wiktor_K 2/26/14 21:42 @Marisa_C formats need to follow the teacher, I suspect - some will take to blogging, others will share recordings etc? #ELTChat
Marisa_C 2/26/14 21:42 @eilymurphy which ones? missed ur meaning bcz tweet behind #eltchat
NewbieCELTA 2/26/14 21:42 #ELTchat "The obvious is often difficult to see" - @JFanselow
naomishema 2/26/14 21:43 RT @Wiktor_K: @Marisa_C formats need to follow the teacher, I suspect - some will take to blogging, > oh, that's me! helps reflect!#ELTChat
eilymurphy 2/26/14 21:43 @Marisa_C the DELTA CELTA self assessment checklist wd be great :)#eltchat
HadaLitim 2/26/14 21:43 @Ven_VVE Not necessarily fewr as I tend to deal with one thing and move on to another but certainly not too many #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/26/14 21:43 @Wiktor_K yes - not one size fits all #eltchat - R-buddies could also livestream their classes to each other if school permits #eltchat
joannacre 2/26/14 21:43 @Marisa_C I used the same lesson with different lrns and strngths /weaknesses were completely different #eltchat
Wiktor_K 2/26/14 21:44 @naomishema  @Marisa_C my preferred reflective format would be a coffee-fueled podcast, then :D #ELTChat
Marisa_C 2/26/14 21:44 @joannacre always happens - the issue is why - do you know why? what would help us see why important #eltchat
HadaLitim 2/26/14 21:45 @Wiktor_K @Marisa_C Yes,  was it @theteacherjames mentioned in the last chat 'it's not a case of one size fits all'?  #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/26/14 21:45 @Wiktor_K @naomishema lol - would happily join u :-0 #eltchat
naomishema 2/26/14 21:45 @Wiktor_K @Marisa_C I need to write things down in order to organize my thoughts. spoken words r 2 quick #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/26/14 21:45 @HadaLitim @Wiktor_K @theteacherjames did he? good for him #eltchat :-)
Ven_VVE 2/26/14 21:46 RT @naomishema: @Wiktor_K @Marisa_C I need to write things down in order to organize my thoughts. spoken words r 2 quick #eltchat
HanaTicha 2/26/14 21:46 @naomishema @Wiktor_K @Marisa_C Me too. I prefer hundreds of notes to checklists and the like #eltchat
HadaLitim 2/26/14 21:46 @Marisa_C @Wiktor_K @naomishema and me too! #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/26/14 21:46 @naomishema @Wiktor_K me too Naomi - otherwise they don't exist they didn 't happen #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/26/14 21:47 @HanaTicha @naomishema @Wiktor_K don't sneer at CHklists - they can be really useful for sm ppl they focus/channell thinking #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2/26/14 21:48 @Marisa_C @HanaTicha @naomishema @Wiktor_K yes they can but as hada implied we have to find what works best for us. #eltchat
HanaTicha 2/26/14 21:48 @Marisa_C @naomishema @Wiktor_K I'm not sneering :-) Yes, they can serve as a set of requirements, for example. #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/26/14 21:49 A notebook works for some people - sm call it a reflective journal #eltchat
naomishema 2/26/14 21:49 I use checklists for other things, not reflections. kids like to see graphic progress. 4 me good 4 project planning #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/26/14 21:49 @Shaunwilden @HanaTicha @naomishema @Wiktor_K am not disagreeing :-) #eltchat
Innov8rEduc8r 2/26/14 21:50 Well said @Wiktor_K  Podcasts are a fantastic stimulus for reflection. Get me thinking in all sorts of new ways. #eltchat
NewbieCELTA 2/26/14 21:50 #ELTchat is very notion 'evaluating'/'measuring' RP counter to its essential spirit? or if done certain ways is it extension of practice?
Shaunwilden 2/26/14 21:50 @Innov8rEduc8r @Wiktor_K how do use podcasts, did i miss that? #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/26/14 21:50 If I created sth for myself it would be a big poster  with where I am along some points and where i want to go #eltchat
Wiktor_K 2/26/14 21:50 @Marisa_C Checklists saved my DoS life. Wouldn't dare leave them behind... #ELTChat
HadaLitim 2/26/14 21:51 To me video followed by a chat with a colleague is more instant that blogging which is perhaps more effective long term #eltchat
Innov8rEduc8r 2/26/14 21:51 @Shaunwilden I find podcasts that are outside the field of education - often shed light on issues I grapple with in Education #eltchat
eilymurphy 2/26/14 21:51 @Marisa_C @HanaTicha @naomishema @Wiktor_K e.g. when T prepares evrythg in detail but has pbs in class - chcklst = overanalyse? #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/26/14 21:51 it would be my progress tracker - e,g, "Rubbish! I still talked my head off in that lesson!"  take the slider backwards #eltchat
Ven_VVE 2/26/14 21:52 Has anyone found that those teaching at tertiary level can be a little reluctant 2 reflect on/question their teaching? #eltchat
Wiktor_K 2/26/14 21:52 @Shaunwilden Chris Wilson had a good couple of chats he recorded with his DoS about ELT...forgot link :/ #ELTChat
lelmeducation 2/26/14 21:52 RT @ELTchat: RT @HadaLitim: There's still time to vote for tonight's topic on #ELTchat - http://t.co/YG3EAKCPoC Pls VOTE and RT
eilymurphy 2/26/14 21:52 RT @NewbieCELTA: #ELTchat is very notion 'evaluating'/'measuring' RP counter to its essential spirit? or if done certain ways is it extensi…
Marisa_C 2/26/14 21:52 @Ven_VVE Very much so - very complacent - to indifferent #eltchat
SueAnnan 2/26/14 21:52 WooHoo the Island internet has just righted itself #eltchat Sorry to have missed you all
HanaTicha 2/26/14 21:52 @Innov8rEduc8r @Wiktor_K But spoken word may sound a bit chaotic if spontaneous. Writing makes you more focused  #eltchat
AnthonyGaughan 2/26/14 21:53 Hi all. How many of you keep a reflective journal and if so how long have you done so? Sorry if you've already said so! #newarrival #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 2/26/14 21:53 @Innov8rEduc8r aha, i am firm believer in getting outside of the field for ideas, any suggestions? #eltchat
HanaTicha 2/26/14 21:53 RT @Ven_VVE: Has anyone found that those teaching at tertiary level can be a little reluctant 2 reflect on/question their teaching? #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/26/14 21:53 @NewbieCELTA nice idea - i use it for celta board FB but looks gd for self reflection #eltchat
Wiktor_K 2/26/14 21:53 @HanaTicha you mean - writing makes YOU more focused. I only calm down & think clear when I talk sth over with someone :D #ELTChat
HadaLitim 2/26/14 21:53 @Ven_VVE Absloutely true in Saudi Arabia #eltchat
HadaLitim 2/26/14 21:54 RT @Ven_VVE: Has anyone found that those teaching at tertiary level can be a little reluctant 2 reflect on/question their teaching? #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/26/14 21:54 @AnthonyGaughan i don't and I wouldnt - a poster on the wall with sliders may be i would do #eltchat
joannacre 2/26/14 21:54 @Ven_VVE not in the UK. they are all for observing/reflecting from my experience #eltchat
Ven_VVE 2/26/14 21:54 @Marisa_C I had the same impression. For the same reasons. :) #eltchat
sbrowntweets 2/26/14 21:54 #eltchat sorry I just got here. Are we talking about reflective journals?
Innov8rEduc8r 2/26/14 21:54 @Shaunwilden I find Podcasts around Content Marketing or Social Media - often have some pearls that are relevant to education #eltchat
HanaTicha 2/26/14 21:54 @Wiktor_K Exactly. We're all looking at things from a subjective point of view but together we create the whole picture #eltchat
HadaLitim 2/26/14 21:54 @Wiktor_K @Shaunwilden Recording chats is a great extension to the video #eltchat
naomishema 2/26/14 21:54 @AnthonyGaughan My three year old blog has had an extremely powerful impact on my reflective practices. big difference. #eltchat
jsbe333 2/26/14 21:54 RT @Innov8rEduc8r: I have found that I can fixate on something that went awry - while studiously missing the myriads of positives passing m…
Marisa_C 2/26/14 21:55 @sbrowntweets we have mentioned them as one option - blogs and wikis in lieu looks like may be more like it these days #eltchat
NewbieCELTA 2/26/14 21:55 #ELTchat could u have 'slider' as u mentioned, where u give self RP points' & 'win' when u reach the target? so literal but maybe that's +
MarjorieRosenbe 2/26/14 21:55 @Marisa_C @Ven_VVE Not so sure. I teach at tertiary level and constantly refect and changecwhen necessary.  #eltchat
sbrowntweets 2/26/14 21:55 Personally I have found blogging is a really good form of reflective practice #eltchat
Ven_VVE 2/26/14 21:55 @joannacre Interesting. Not in Croatia, at least not in my experience. :( #eltchat
harrisonmike 2/26/14 21:55 @AnthonyGaughan I've tried to start them time and again, but suddenly it's halfway through the year and I've done a couple of pages #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2/26/14 21:55 @SueAnnan Missed you too Sue. #eltchat
HanaTicha 2/26/14 21:55 @Ven_VVE @joannacre Why do you think it is so? #eltchat
NewbieCELTA 2/26/14 21:55 could also be sketch pad. "draw a picture that reflects some aspect of lesson" that'd be interesting..for more impressionist types #eltchat
harrisonmike 2/26/14 21:56 RT @sbrowntweets: Personally I have found blogging is a really good form of reflective practice #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/26/14 21:56 @NewbieCELTA i need to design the thing first! Am imagigning it as we speak #eltchat
Innov8rEduc8r 2/26/14 21:56 Sharpening the mind to craft a 140 character tweet - Reflective Practice in Action #eltchat
Wiktor_K 2/26/14 21:56 Last Q from me: how to sell reflective practice to those who dont want it done to them? #ELTChat
HanaTicha 2/26/14 21:56 RT @Wiktor_K: Last Q from me: how to sell reflective practice to those who dont want it done to them? #ELTChat
AnthonyGaughan 2/26/14 21:56 @NewbieCELTA depends partly on who sets the parameters for "evaluating..." Etc, doesn't it? #eltchat
sbrowntweets 2/26/14 21:56 When Dewey invented reflective practice he said that it needs to be interactive - you need to involve other people #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/26/14 21:56 @Ven_VVE i would say mostly true locally for state employed teachers #eltchat all comfied up
harrisonmike 2/26/14 21:56 @sbrowntweets me too! I've looked back at how lessons have gone, or used materials from one lesson again in diff ways #eltchat
naomishema 2/26/14 21:56 RT @Wiktor_K: Last Q from me: how to sell reflective practice to those who dont want it done to them? #ELTChat > I often despair about that!
Ven_VVE 2/26/14 21:56 @MarjorieRosenbe @Marisa_C Yes, but you're Marjorie. :) That's a whole different category. :) #eltchat Seriously, what abt yr colleagues?
NewbieCELTA 2/26/14 21:57 you end up with a 'reflective art installation' #eltchat
NewbieCELTA 2/26/14 21:57 RT @sbrowntweets: Personally I have found blogging is a really good form of reflective practice #eltchat
Wiktor_K 2/26/14 21:57 @naomishema despair doesn't sell well :D #ELTChat
Innov8rEduc8r 2/26/14 21:57 @Wiktor_K Selling Reflective Practice to those not inclined. Good Luck with that. #eltchat
HanaTicha 2/26/14 21:57 @sbrowntweets Once you share your own observations, you make it interactive #eltchat
Wiktor_K 2/26/14 21:57 @Innov8rEduc8r - but those are the people who *need* it the most! #ELTChat
MarjorieRosenbe 2/26/14 21:57 @SueAnnan Got back Monday and am madly catching up. #eltchat
NewbieCELTA 2/26/14 21:58 #eltchat @harrisonmike so reflection --> recycling ..
naomishema 2/26/14 21:58 @HanaTicha @sbrowntweets THEY DON'T WANT TO HEAR MY OBSERVATIONS! tHAT'S WHY I BLOG! EXPAND THE WALLS OF Ts room! #eltchat
harrisonmike 2/26/14 21:58 “@NewbieCELTA: #eltchat @harrisonmike so reflection --> recycling ..” Can be. Or reimagining
Marisa_C 2/26/14 21:58 @sbrowntweets True - here is a good article which outline's Dewy's thinking +some critique - Schon's work 2 http://t.co/orkbD5l2Uz #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2/26/14 21:58 @Ven_VVE @Marisa_C Thanks but my colleagues do as well and we meet and talk about it. #ELTCHAT
eilymurphy 2/26/14 21:59 @HanaTicha @sbrowntweets yes - everyone has had that sinking feeling,  admit pb encourgaes comparison #eltchat
AnthonyGaughan 2/26/14 21:59 @Wiktor_K how can you "do reflective practice" *to* someone else? #eltchat
joannacre 2/26/14 21:59 @HanaTicha @sbrowntweets and u learn more #eltchat
Ven_VVE 2/26/14 21:59 @HanaTicha @joannacre Inertia, long-term job security, overworked..some reasons for Croatia. #eltchat
sbrowntweets 2/26/14 21:59 @HanaTicha Yes so blogging is the ultimate form of sharing - anyone can read it. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2/26/14 21:59 it’s the moment someone gets praised for choosing to write the summary…..#eltchat
Innov8rEduc8r 2/26/14 21:59 @Wiktor_K I'm more wary nowadays in terms of suggesting what people 'need'. It has to come from them - what's important to them? #eltchat
HadaLitim 2/26/14 21:59 @MarjorieRosenbe @Ven_VVE @Marisa_C It might be about the context then #eltchat
Wiktor_K 2/26/14 22:00 @AnthonyGaughan you need to when you're a pressured DoS sometimes, methinks :D anyway - I consider this to be my idea for the next #ELTChat
naomishema 2/26/14 22:00 @harrisonmike @NewbieCELTA oh, reflection doesn't equal recycling - in fact I can't lecture about things I have blogged about... #eltchat
NewbieCELTA 2/26/14 22:00 yeah @AnthonyGaughan by who & how is eval of RP best done? #eltchat i'm thinking it's ideal in some 'interspace' not 'owned' by 1 party
HanaTicha 2/26/14 22:00 @sbrowntweets Yes and comments and support are very important part. #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/26/14 22:00 @mickstout @eilymurphy @HanaTicha True but goal setting follows observing, noticing a prob then reflecting on possible causes #eltchat
Ven_VVE 2/26/14 22:00 @HadaLitim @MarjorieRosenbe @Marisa_C Yes, context seems to be quite important. #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2/26/14 22:01 @sbrowntweets @HanaTicha plan to start once back in classroom. Thanks Naomi for invaluable help. #eltchat
FLCasella 2/26/14 22:01 RT @HanaTicha: @sbrowntweets Yes and comments and support are very important part. #eltchat
harrisonmike 2/26/14 22:01 @naomishema @NewbieCELTA no. It equal. But the opportunity to repeat things and tweak them is a reflective process #eltchat
sbrowntweets 2/26/14 22:01 @Marisa_C Thanks Marisa that's a good one to look at. Schon and Brookfield are both worth reading #eltchat
mickstout 2/26/14 22:01 @AnthonyGaughan Tried 2 keep reflective journal during an action research project couple of yrs ago... #eltchat
Wiktor_K 2/26/14 22:01 Off to reflect on what has been tweeted. Good to catch up with you all. Goodnight! #ELTChat
HadaLitim 2/26/14 22:01 RT @Marisa_C: @mickstout @eilymurphy @HanaTicha True but goal setting follows observing, noticing a prob then reflecting on possible causes…
NewbieCELTA 2/26/14 22:01 @AnthonyGaughan #eltchat  thinking of 'Cooperative Development' of J. Edge - a way of non-evaluative peer refl.? but don't know it well ;P
joannacre 2/26/14 22:01 @Ven_VVE @HanaTicha when I was observed at a uni in the UK I said" I'm not doing this well-gimme ideas" she did, they were gr8 : ) #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/26/14 22:01 So some ways RP requires a T who is observant, attends to detail, knows abt learning AND teaching and can speculate critically #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2/26/14 22:01 RT @Marisa_C: So some ways RP requires a T who is observant, attends to detail, knows abt learning AND teaching and can speculate criticall…
HanaTicha 2/26/14 22:02 RT @Marisa_C: So some ways RP requires a T who is observant, attends to detail, knows abt learning AND teaching and can speculate criticall…
NewbieCELTA 2/26/14 22:02 RT @Marisa_C: So some ways RP requires a T who is observant, attends to detail, knows abt learning AND teaching and can speculate criticall…
HadaLitim 2/26/14 22:02 @Ven_VVE @MarjorieRosenbe @Marisa_C Sounds like our contexts are bery different Marjorie :) #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2/26/14 22:02 Volunteer for summary? #eltchat
mickstout 2/26/14 22:02 @harrisonmike @AnthonyGaughan Yeah, that was same 4 me & I was in the middle of a research prjt!! U'd think that's motivate me Lol #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/26/14 22:03 @sbrowntweets yes - problem with ELT is it doesn not feed off general education research so.... :-( #eltchat
sbrowntweets 2/26/14 22:03 Reflection involves looking ahead as well. I didn't know that and thought I had invented a concept- Preflection. Oh well. #eltchat
Ven_VVE 2/26/14 22:03 @joannacre @HanaTicha I once asked a colleague at uni if I cd observe (when I was new), 1st she agreed but then found some excuse. #eltchat
NewbieCELTA 2/26/14 22:03 wondering if NVC (non-violent communication) framework could be harnessed to approach critical 'evaluation' of RP activity/product #ELTchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2/26/14 22:03 @HadaLitim @Ven_VVE @Marisa_C Could be as I teach in language Institute with lots of autonomy for teachers #eltchat
harrisonmike 2/26/14 22:04 Bleedin' autocorrect. Last tweet should read 'not equal' instead of 'it equal' #eltchat cc @naomishema @NewbieCELTA
Marisa_C 2/26/14 22:04 @harrisonmike @naomishema @NewbieCELTA lol :-) #eltchat
mickstout 2/26/14 22:04 @Marisa_C @eilymurphy @HanaTicha Goal setting is a cycle. U start w/ goals, then modify upon reflection. Start again. #eltchat
HanaTicha 2/26/14 22:04 @Ven_VVE @joannacre She might have been a little insecure then :-) #eltchat
NewbieCELTA 2/26/14 22:04 #ELTchat seems J. Edge's CD and NVC might have some overlap at root
Marisa_C 2/26/14 22:05 @NewbieCELTA elaborate a bot on NVC pls? even if just for the summary writer :-) #eltchat
HanaTicha 2/26/14 22:05 RT @FLCasella: @Ven_VVE @joannacre @HanaTicha some do not care or do not want to commit themselves #eltchat
HadaLitim 2/26/14 22:05 @HanaTicha @Ven_VVE @joannacre My thought exactly #eltchat
sbrowntweets 2/26/14 22:05 @Marisa_C So true, as I'm discovering on my EdD. So much I don't know! #eltchat
Ven_VVE 2/26/14 22:06 @HanaTicha @joannacre Maybe. :) I didn't think of that. #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/26/14 22:06 I thinkwe got so involved here we forgot to ask for someone to write the SUMMARY!!!!! Pls volunteer #eltchat
harrisonmike 2/26/14 22:06 RT @Marisa_C: Many suggest reflective journals -what about blogs instead - or if with a reflection 'buddy' a wiki in which u let it all han…
LarryRGarrett1 2/26/14 22:06 RT @Shaunwilden: it’s the moment someone gets praised for choosing to write the summary…..#eltchat
Shaunwilden 2/26/14 22:06 RT @Marisa_C: I thinkwe got so involved here we forgot to ask for someone to write the SUMMARY!!!!! Pls volunteer #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 2/26/14 22:07 @Marisa_C still catching up after week away. Night all. #eltchat
HanaTicha 2/26/14 22:07 @Marisa_C Ok. I might give it a try. I'm currently into the topic :-) #eltchat
AnthonyGaughan 2/26/14 22:07 @Marisa_C Non Violent Communication (Marshall Rosenberg). See also Appreciative Inquiry. #eltchat
Ven_VVE 2/26/14 22:07 This was fun. Lots to reflect on. Thank you all. #eltchat
Innov8rEduc8r 2/26/14 22:07 @Ven_VVE Perhaps you could build a base by chatting to her about positive things you've heard about her class #eltchat
NewbieCELTA 2/26/14 22:07 RT @Marisa_C: @sbrowntweets yes - problem with ELT is it doesn not feed off general education research so.... :-( #eltchat
Shaunwilden 2/26/14 22:07 Night all see you next week #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/26/14 22:08 @Shaunwilden Cheers - hope u feel better next week or even tomorrow :-) #eltchat
mickstout 2/26/14 22:08 @harrisonmike @AnthonyGaughan Fortunately was a collaborative prjt. Colleague's reflective journal was gr8 #eltchat
Innov8rEduc8r 2/26/14 22:08 Cheers all for the Reflection in Action. Wish me luck I'm trying tweeting with my pre-serv ELT tchrs tmrw #eltchat
HadaLitim 2/26/14 22:09 Good night everyone and thanks for a great chat. See you next week #eltchat
joannacre 2/26/14 22:09 nitie nite #eltchat
naomishema 2/26/14 22:09 Good night! #eltchat
NewbieCELTA 2/26/14 22:09 @Marisa_C #ELTchat NVC dialogue frame that avoids all moralistic judgements / focus on obs. feelings. needs. requests http://t.co/CdWHEEwBoN
Marisa_C 2/26/14 22:09 Thanks for turning up all - hope you got something out of this #ELtchat - I did ! And thanks to @HanaTicha for offering to do summary
Ven_VVE 2/26/14 22:09 @Innov8rEduc8r I wish I'd thought to do that while she was still working at my institution. This was some years ago. #eltchat
eilymurphy 2/26/14 22:10 G'night all and Tx -  9pm time is easier  #eltchat
HanaTicha 2/26/14 22:10 Good night. Sweet dreams :-) #eltchat
Innov8rEduc8r 2/26/14 22:10 Quick plug: Will be tweeting with my pre-service ELT tchrs at #new2eltDrop in between 9 and 2:30 (Aust EST) at  #eltchat
Marisa_C 2/26/14 22:10 @NewbieCELTA great just in good time to include in transcript #eltchat
NewbieCELTA 2/26/14 22:11 #ELTchat developed as conflict resolution tool - RP isn't conflict of course, but perhaps the underlying tension in evaluation is addressed
Marisa_C 2/26/14 22:12 @NewbieCELTA am listening - will read :-) #Eltchat thanks !
Innov8rEduc8r 2/26/14 22:12 Please share your wisdom tomorrow with my pre-service ELT teachers at #new2elt. It's our first time tweeting.Between 9-2:30 AustEST #eltchat
NewbieCELTA 2/26/14 22:13 RT @sbrowntweets: When Dewey invented reflective practice he said that it needs to be interactive - you need to involve other people #eltch…
HadaLitim 2/26/14 22:13 RT @NewbieCELTA: @Marisa_C #ELTchat NVC dialogue frame that avoids all moralistic judgements / focus on obs. feelings. needs. requests http…

 

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