| User |
Time |
Tweets |
| SueAnnan |
2/12/2014 20:56 |
#Eltchat Evening everyone |
| Shaunwilden |
2/12/2014 20:57 |
Evening Sue #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2/12/2014 20:57 |
@natibrandi @PETsNet Hi Nati and everyone #ELTchat |
| joannacre |
2/12/2014 20:57 |
Hi everyone :)#eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2/12/2014 20:58 |
@SueAnnan Evening Sue #eltchat |
| naomishema |
2/12/2014 20:58 |
#eltchat Good evening! |
| SueAnnan |
2/12/2014 20:58 |
@MrChrisJWilson @Shaunwilden Hello Chris #eltchat |
| teacherphili |
2/12/2014 20:58 |
Evening @SueAnnan @naomishema et al #ELTchat |
| jo_sayers |
2/12/2014 20:58 |
Happy to be attending an #eltchat tonight. Hi all! |
| HanaTicha |
2/12/2014 20:58 |
Hello #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2/12/2014 20:58 |
@joannacre Hi Joanna #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2/12/2014 20:59 |
Lots of good people here this evening. Welcome to you all #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
2/12/2014 20:59 |
Forgot the hashtag, proves how rusty I am at this #eltchat |
| natibrandi |
2/12/2014 21:00 |
@SueAnnan big controversial topic 2nite #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2/12/2014 21:00 |
@natibrandi #ELTchat a very interesting topic :-) |
| Shaunwilden |
2/12/2014 21:00 |
Tonight’s topic is quite long so check it out on the blog #ELTchathttp://t.co/dwVuE9Mkmg |
| jo_sayers |
2/12/2014 21:00 |
RT @MrChrisJWilson: Forgot the hashtag, proves how rusty I am at this #eltchat |
| naomishema |
2/12/2014 21:00 |
I haven't attended a chat for ages - miss it! just soooo late here! #eltchat |
| BetterLesson |
2/12/2014 21:00 |
Hello #eltchat Happy Wednesday to you all! |
| Nouella89 |
2/12/2014 21:01 |
#eltchat Good evening |
| jo_sayers |
2/12/2014 21:01 |
@natibrandi @SueAnnan Agreed. An interesting one #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2/12/2014 21:01 |
Ho everyone #eltchat |
| perikleis |
2/12/2014 21:01 |
hello everyone! #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
2/12/2014 21:01 |
Evening all... #eltchat |
| teacherphili |
2/12/2014 21:01 |
Ho @MarjorieRosenbe #ELTchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
2/12/2014 21:02 |
@theteacherjames Hi james <waves> #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2/12/2014 21:02 |
I think that the Direct method was very strict about not having L1 in class but it benefits collaboration #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2/12/2014 21:02 |
Should have been HiNew phone has tiny keyboard. #ELTCHAT |
| teacherphili |
2/12/2014 21:02 |
Evening @theteacherjames lots of folk here tonight. popular topic. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2/12/2014 21:02 |
Evening all, tonights mods are me, @theteacherjames and @SueAnnan holla if you need owt #eltchat |
| CotterHUE |
2/12/2014 21:03 |
Hi everyone. #eltchat |
| pigletruth |
2/12/2014 21:03 |
@Shaunwilden Whenever I say anything in Chinese the students just fall about laughing so it is a good gambit #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
2/12/2014 21:03 |
@MrChrisJWilson Heyhey! #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2/12/2014 21:03 |
For one, I would distinguish translation and the use of mother tongue - not the same things. #eltchat |
| PETsNet |
2/12/2014 21:03 |
Hi there. #ELTchat I think most teachers’ overall attitude towards L1 use in EFL classes is positive. |
| Shaunwilden |
2/12/2014 21:03 |
So the topic is Use of students’ mother tongue in the EFL classroom: taboo or just good sense #eltchat |
| jo_sayers |
2/12/2014 21:03 |
@MarjorieRosenbe I was impressed by 'Ho' #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2/12/2014 21:03 |
If the students use L1 what do you think the benefits are? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2/12/2014 21:04 |
RT @SueAnnan: If the students use L1 what do you think the benefits are? #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2/12/2014 21:04 |
Hi Shaun, James, Sue. #eltchat |
| pigletruth |
2/12/2014 21:04 |
Sometimes using L1 is just a time saver when you need to explain something.Nothing wrong with it on occasion #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2/12/2014 21:04 |
I started being aware of not using L1 during CELTA but with time realised if used judiciously it could promote better learning #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2/12/2014 21:04 |
@jo_sayers @MarjorieRosenbe Yes I liked the ho as well :-) #eltchat |
| naomishema |
2/12/2014 21:04 |
RT @pigletruth: Sometimes using L1 is just a time saver when you need to explain something.Nothing wrong with it on occasion #eltchat |
| mitchefl |
2/12/2014 21:05 |
Hello #eltchat |
| slagoski23 |
2/12/2014 21:05 |
Here is a preview of my dissertation research findings via Wordle. #culture #ELTchat http://t.co/0lsOB8gaF7 |
| MrChrisJWilson |
2/12/2014 21:05 |
I think we’ve come back to a “it isn’t a firm rule” stance but often when we talk about the specifics it is *usually* avoidable #eltchat |
| PETsNet |
2/12/2014 21:05 |
Using the L1 for teaching purposes and for classroom management purposes.#ELTchat |
| HadaLitim |
2/12/2014 21:05 |
@HanaTicha Totally agree #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2/12/2014 21:05 |
@SueAnnan T's input in English most of the time, but translation practice is useful, I think #eltchat |
| natibrandi |
2/12/2014 21:05 |
@SueAnnan contrastive analysis, though this happens in my L1 it doesnt happen in L2 or the other way round #ELTchat |
| naomishema |
2/12/2014 21:05 |
RT @natibrandi: @SueAnnan contrastive analysis, though this happens in my L1 it doesnt happen in L2 or the other way round #ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
2/12/2014 21:05 |
@MarjorieRosenbe Hi! #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
2/12/2014 21:05 |
RT @pigletruth: Sometimes using L1 is just a time saver when you need to explain something.Nothing wrong with it on occasion #eltchat |
| jo_sayers |
2/12/2014 21:05 |
@HanaTicha Yes, that's true. It depends what the purpose of L1 is. Can perform many functions #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2/12/2014 21:06 |
Translation - a great way of checking understanding #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2/12/2014 21:06 |
It isn't always easy- especially if class is multicultural #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2/12/2014 21:06 |
There seems to be an immediate assumption of monolingual classes #eltchat |
| PETsNet |
2/12/2014 21:06 |
Predominant attitude in L2 teaching has been anti-L1 and discouraging of the use of students' L1 in language teaching (Cook, 2001) #ELTchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2/12/2014 21:06 |
@pigletruth @naomishema Agree. Sometimes means explaining takes 10 seconds rather than 10 min. #eltchat |
| CotterHUE |
2/12/2014 21:06 |
If lower-level students use L1, they have the language to analyze and advise in collaborative environment. #eltchat |
| natibrandi |
2/12/2014 21:06 |
@pigletruth yeah I agree so long as the t is not being too lazy, when it's sth that can be easily done with ccqs #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2/12/2014 21:06 |
@Shaunwilden good point. Not the case for me often #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
2/12/2014 21:07 |
@HanaTicha but often there isn’t a true direct translation. We usually deal with near synonyms even if it is just in minutia #eltchat |
| MicaelaCarey |
2/12/2014 21:07 |
Phew! Running late but made it. Hi everyone! #eltchat |
| naomishema |
2/12/2014 21:07 |
My very weak adult students had developed fears of English. They literally would have bolted without some L1 #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2/12/2014 21:07 |
RT @naomishema: My very weak adult students had developed fears of English. They literally would have bolted without some L1 #eltchat |
| jo_sayers |
2/12/2014 21:07 |
@Shaunwilden ha, true. #eltchat Think that's where L1 is most obviously a tool |
| natibrandi |
2/12/2014 21:07 |
@HanaTicha @SueAnnan yeah it can be useful to compare how both systems work, etc. :) #ELTchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
2/12/2014 21:07 |
@Shaunwilden 80% of the year it’s what I teach in. I wonder what it’s like for other chatters #eltchat |
| naomishema |
2/12/2014 21:07 |
RT @CotterHUE: If lower-level students use L1, they have the language to analyze and advise in collaborative environment. #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
2/12/2014 21:07 |
@SueAnnan @willycard suggested putting people together by language groups: Latin, E. Asia etc. Interesting idea I thought. #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2/12/2014 21:07 |
@MrChrisJWilson Sure. But if there is a direct translation it's quicker that anything else. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2/12/2014 21:08 |
@jo_sayers i think it still have a place in a multi lingual one though #eltchat |
| PETsNet |
2/12/2014 21:08 |
Do you think prohibition of L1 would maximize the effectiveness of learning the target language? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2/12/2014 21:08 |
@PETsNet Personally no #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2/12/2014 21:08 |
I don't mind the work done in L1 if the answers are in L2 #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2/12/2014 21:08 |
@Shaunwilden Makes sense to me when we say L1 and not a variety of L1s. #eltchat |
| naomishema |
2/12/2014 21:08 |
RT @theteacherjames: @SueAnnan @willycard suggested putting people together by language groups: > often not feasible #eltchat |
| ChristineMulla |
2/12/2014 21:08 |
Hi chatters, happy 'hump' day as my Spanish hmate says. How difficult is it to find a balance: over-reliance vs tool? #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
2/12/2014 21:09 |
@PETsNet no but I feel that the acceptance of L1 can lead to a slide in many areas where it shouldn’t #eltchat |
| pigletruth |
2/12/2014 21:09 |
@MarjorieRosenbe @naomishema esp directions how to do sth cuts down time wasted #eltchat |
| natibrandi |
2/12/2014 21:09 |
@MrChrisJWilson or u want to use it with a clear purpose like contrastive analysis, speak aloud protocol to develop strategiesetc #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2/12/2014 21:09 |
@theteacherjames @willycard good point- and sometimes do it #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2/12/2014 21:09 |
RT @MrChrisJWilson: @PETsNet no but I feel that the acceptance of L1 can lead to a slide in many areas where it shouldn’t #eltchat |
| teacherphili |
2/12/2014 21:09 |
@SueAnnan exactly, you dont have to step in and force them not to use L1 if working in pairs/small gps #ELTchat |
| PETsNet |
2/12/2014 21:09 |
Using L1 can be helpful in learning new vocabulary items and explaining complex idea and grammar rules #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2/12/2014 21:09 |
RT @ChristineMulla: Hi chatters, happy 'hump' day as my Spanish hmate says. How difficult is it to find a balance: over-reliance vs tool? #… |
| HadaLitim |
2/12/2014 21:09 |
I sometimes use it when the need for metalanguage is necessary, for example with forms #eltchat |
| joannacre |
2/12/2014 21:09 |
@PETsNet no it may lead to frustration esp for weaker sts #eltchat |
| pigletruth |
2/12/2014 21:09 |
@ChristineMulla very good point #eltchat also hard to stop L1 in group work.. |
| CotterHUE |
2/12/2014 21:10 |
Higher-level students should always try L2 first, but can still benefit from clarity of difficult language. #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2/12/2014 21:10 |
@teacherphili my point exactly #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2/12/2014 21:10 |
@MrChrisJWilson @PETsNet Agree. I honestly admit that I sometimes use L1 when I'm tired. #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2/12/2014 21:10 |
@SueAnnan Same here #eltchat |
| teacherphili |
2/12/2014 21:10 |
I've found it (L1) more commonly in monolingual classes than multi-lingual, or is that too obvious? #ELTchat |
| jo_sayers |
2/12/2014 21:10 |
@Shaunwilden for sure, but in an mono class it's practically unavoidable. Gd pedagogical options for both mono and mixed L1 though #eltchat |
| natibrandi |
2/12/2014 21:10 |
@naomishema good point! #eltchat some learners feel safer if u share their l1 even if u dont use it that much |
| pigletruth |
2/12/2014 21:11 |
@joannacre @PETsNet this is all about balance and teacher's intuition when to step in and when it's beneficial #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
2/12/2014 21:11 |
@HanaTicha @PETsNet As do I! Especially direct translations when I just can’t be bothered to think of an explanation #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2/12/2014 21:11 |
remember the topic goes on..How can we help tchrs integrate Ss’ L1 into L2 learning in a principled way? #eltchat |
| naomishema |
2/12/2014 21:11 |
Don't you sometimes use L1 when a S addresses you in L1 out of context? #eltchat |
| natibrandi |
2/12/2014 21:11 |
@teacherphili #ELTchat i agree |
| jo_sayers |
2/12/2014 21:11 |
@PETsNet Translation to L1 arguably quickest way of acquiring vocab #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2/12/2014 21:11 |
@pigletruth @ChristineMulla Why should we? #eltchat |
| teacherphili |
2/12/2014 21:11 |
Some Ts don't have the luxury/inconvenience of sharing the Ss L1. of course #ELTchat |
| PETsNet |
2/12/2014 21:11 |
Agree. Teachers who master the students L1 have far more advantages over the ones who don’t know it #eltchat |
| pjgallantry |
2/12/2014 21:12 |
#eltchat evening all.... |
| HanaTicha |
2/12/2014 21:12 |
RT @naomishema: Don't you sometimes use L1 when a S addresses you in L1 out of context? #eltchat Yes. Often. |
| CotterHUE |
2/12/2014 21:12 |
@PETsNet no, I don't, provided students aren't being lazy or using L1 as a crutch. #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2/12/2014 21:12 |
@naomishema Use of L1 can be important for establishing rapport. Not to be underestimated. #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2/12/2014 21:12 |
@pjgallantry evening Paul #eltchat |
| naomishema |
2/12/2014 21:12 |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @naomishema Use of L1 can be important for establishing rapport. Not to be underestimated. #eltchat |
| pigletruth |
2/12/2014 21:12 |
@teacherphili yeah my Chinese is very limited makes my Ss laugh #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
2/12/2014 21:12 |
@naomishema @SueAnnan It depends entirely on context of course. But an option for some. #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2/12/2014 21:13 |
RT @Shaunwilden: remember the topic goes on..How can we help tchrs integrate Ss’ L1 into L2 learning in a principled way? #eltchat |
| pigletruth |
2/12/2014 21:13 |
@HadaLitim @ChristineMulla cos my course is Oral Eng that's what they are meant to be practising #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2/12/2014 21:13 |
@pigletruth @teacherphili though you can use that to your advantage as well #eltchat |
| PETsNet |
2/12/2014 21:13 |
Maybe, when using L1 to teach EFL students, errors may emerge due to the L1 transfer. #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2/12/2014 21:13 |
so using it in a principled way? #eltchat |
| ChristineMulla |
2/12/2014 21:13 |
@HadaLitim @pigletruth Sometimes no translation or wrong word used. Don't SS need to learn how to cope without L1 too? #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
2/12/2014 21:13 |
RT @Shaunwilden: remember the topic goes on..How can we help tchrs integrate Ss’ L1 into L2 learning in a principled way? #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
2/12/2014 21:13 |
Discipline for VYLs and YLs. Making sure they know what they have done wrong etc #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2/12/2014 21:13 |
RT @SueAnnan: so using it in a principled way? #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2/12/2014 21:14 |
@jo_sayers thanks. May switch to 'ho' on permanent basis. #eltchat |
| mitchefl |
2/12/2014 21:14 |
I've used it occasionally to show students that I'm learning too. It helps them to trust the teacher #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2/12/2014 21:14 |
@MrChrisJWilson So for punishment but not reward? #eltchat |
| jo_sayers |
2/12/2014 21:14 |
@PETsNet not sure it's necessary to master their L1 to utilise it in class #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
2/12/2014 21:14 |
Also comforting VYLs, things happen in the classroom. Sometimes you need to comfort them #eltchat |
| CotterHUE |
2/12/2014 21:14 |
Teacher can sometimes use L1 to help students give sentences beyond their ability. #eltchat |
| pigletruth |
2/12/2014 21:14 |
@ChristineMulla @HadaLitim that all depends.. #eltchat cope without it completely? not sure |
| MrChrisJWilson |
2/12/2014 21:14 |
@Shaunwilden they’re reward is English ;) serious note…good point. Not thought about it. #eltchat |
| CotterHUE |
2/12/2014 21:14 |
RT @ChristineMulla: Hi chatters, happy 'hump' day as my Spanish hmate says. How difficult is it to find a balance: over-reliance vs tool? #… |
| SueAnnan |
2/12/2014 21:15 |
I have smatterings in lots of my students languages- enough to worry them if they aren't working :-) #eltchat |
| teacherphili |
2/12/2014 21:15 |
It can be used for rapport to use their L1. Agree with those saying this. #eltchat |
| pigletruth |
2/12/2014 21:15 |
@CotterHUE excellent point #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2/12/2014 21:15 |
@SueAnnan yes me too, amazing how a few words can fool them :-) #eltchat |
| PETsNet |
2/12/2014 21:15 |
L1 in EFL classes is “a door that has been firmly shut in language teaching for over a hundred years.” (Cook 2001) #ELTchat |
| natibrandi |
2/12/2014 21:15 |
@teacherphili #eltchat ucan still find out about ss' l1 influence in about language or elt journals. That sure helps to identify mistakes |
| jo_sayers |
2/12/2014 21:15 |
@MrChrisJWilson @PETsNet anecdotal!! Ha, sorry. Will try and find some! #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2/12/2014 21:15 |
L1can also be helpful for classroom management or admin issues. #eltchat |
| hannahpinkham |
2/12/2014 21:15 |
@mitchefl Yes, my rubbish Polish was useful in (only) that respect #eltchat |
| ChristineMulla |
2/12/2014 21:15 |
@pigletruth @HadaLitim Do you allow one SS to help another when stuck for a word? L1 word = English word. Conv continues. #eltchat |
| CotterHUE |
2/12/2014 21:16 |
@Shaunwilden small classes, much easier to monitor and use L1 as a tool. Beware of establishing habit of using L1 tho. #eltchat |
| jo_sayers |
2/12/2014 21:16 |
@Shaunwilden @MrChrisJWilson Yes, shame that L1 is so often used for classroom management only #eltchat |
| naomishema |
2/12/2014 21:16 |
RT @CotterHUE: @Shaunwilden small classes, much easier to monitor and use L1 as a tool. Beware of establishing habit of using L1 tho. #eltc… |
| teacherphili |
2/12/2014 21:16 |
@MarjorieRosenbe or if telling them off ;-) #eltchat |
| pigletruth |
2/12/2014 21:16 |
@mitchefl good point I do this too..you see even though your L1 is fiendishly difficult I am not afraid to try #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2/12/2014 21:16 |
Jeremy Harmer suggested that the idea of supremacy of L2 led to the Nest/NNest problems #eltchat |
| PETsNet |
2/12/2014 21:16 |
Krashen: "learners acquire foreign languages following basically the same path they acquire their mother tongue." #ELTchat |
| pjgallantry |
2/12/2014 21:17 |
#eltchat restricting use of L1 can be a reductio ad absurdem - makes entire environment feel very 'artificial', esp in monolingual groups |
| pigletruth |
2/12/2014 21:17 |
@ChristineMulla @HadaLitim absolutely! #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2/12/2014 21:17 |
RT @pjgallantry: #eltchat restricting use of L1 can be a reductio ad absurdem - makes entire environment feel very 'artificial', esp in mon… |
| MrChrisJWilson |
2/12/2014 21:17 |
@jo_sayers @PETsNet I’ve heard plenty argue the other way that’s why I ask #eltchat |
| mitchefl |
2/12/2014 21:17 |
@hannahpinkham Not being able to pronounce words in Vietnamese made my students more confident about pronouncing English words #eltchat |
| teacherphili |
2/12/2014 21:17 |
Good reminder @SueAnnan a thorny issue i believe #eltchat |
| MicaelaCarey |
2/12/2014 21:17 |
@MrChrisJWilson #eltchat Absolutely. VYLs need to know that they can communicate with you in L1. |
| SueAnnan |
2/12/2014 21:17 |
RT @mitchefl: @hannahpinkham Not being able to pronounce words in Vietnamese made my students more confident about pronouncing English word… |
| MrChrisJWilson |
2/12/2014 21:17 |
RT @SueAnnan: Jeremy Harmer suggested that the idea of supremacy of L2 led to the Nest/NNest problems #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2/12/2014 21:18 |
RT @teacherphili: Good reminder @SueAnnan a thorny issue i believe #eltchat |
| pigletruth |
2/12/2014 21:18 |
@pjgallantry exactly why I rebelled against that whole "lang bath" idea it was make believe #eltchat |
| natibrandi |
2/12/2014 21:18 |
@pigletruth @mitchefl defo. It builds rapport too 'i'm also a kearner trying to learn you lang" #eltchat |
| mitchefl |
2/12/2014 21:18 |
@PETsNet therefore L1 shouldn't be used at all? #eltchat |
| CotterHUE |
2/12/2014 21:18 |
@jo_sayers: @PETsNet Translation to L1 quickest way of acquiring vocab #eltchat >> but Ss miss nuance. Many dangers for direct translation |
| PETsNet |
2/12/2014 21:18 |
The use of the mother tongue in the learning process should be minimized (Krashen 1981) #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2/12/2014 21:18 |
Yes @MarjorieRosenbe Essential for admin issues with lower levels #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2/12/2014 21:19 |
@jo_sayers @MrChrisJWilson Agreed, and a missed opportunity #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2/12/2014 21:19 |
@CotterHUE @Shaunwilden I stay in L2 unless it's absolutely necessary to switch temporarily. #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2/12/2014 21:19 |
@CotterHUE @jo_sayers @PETsNet Vocab is one area I really avoid using L1 #eltchat |
| ChristineMulla |
2/12/2014 21:19 |
@SueAnnan Yes, sometimes the feeling 'teacher understands' keeps them focused. #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2/12/2014 21:19 |
I don't believe that it is wrong to use L1 when necessary. #eltchat |
| jo_sayers |
2/12/2014 21:19 |
@MrChrisJWilson @PETsNet it depends on depth of lexical acquisition. But I reckon breadth has gonna be quicker with L1 trans #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2/12/2014 21:19 |
@PETsNet Well there are a few holes in Krashen….#eltchat |
| natibrandi |
2/12/2014 21:19 |
@CotterHUE @jo_sayers @PETsNet of acquiring or of explaining meaning? #eltchat |
| Lisabrennan4B |
2/12/2014 21:20 |
Are we talking about monolingual or multilingual classrooms? #eltchat |
| pjgallantry |
2/12/2014 21:20 |
#eltchat I found that monolingual learners 'solve' language probs faster than multilingual groups, but are not necessarily more fluent... |
| PETsNet |
2/12/2014 21:20 |
Totally agree, L1 represents a powerful resource that can be used in a number of ways to enhance learning #ELTchat |
| pigletruth |
2/12/2014 21:20 |
@MarjorieRosenbe @CotterHUE @Shaunwilden how do u decide "absolutely necessary" ? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2/12/2014 21:20 |
@Lisabrennan4B both #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2/12/2014 21:20 |
RT @pjgallantry: #eltchat restricting use of L1 can be a reductio ad absurdem - makes entire environment feel very 'artificial', esp in mon… |
| SueAnnan |
2/12/2014 21:20 |
@Shaunwilden @PETsNet you beat me to that comment :-) #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2/12/2014 21:20 |
@teacherphili That too. Doesn't come up much in my classes. #eltchat |
| jo_sayers |
2/12/2014 21:20 |
@MarjorieRosenbe @CotterHUE @Shaunwilden But what have that as a rule? There's so much more it can bring #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2/12/2014 21:20 |
@SueAnnan Yes. I can't imagine treating a real injury in the class (bleeding nose) speaking L2. #eltchat |
| jo_sayers |
2/12/2014 21:21 |
RT @pigletruth: @MarjorieRosenbe @CotterHUE @Shaunwilden how do u decide "absolutely necessary" ? #eltchat |
| teacherphili |
2/12/2014 21:21 |
How many times have we (as Ts) pulled up a S chatting in L1 only to be told they were explaining smth? #eltchat |
| Lisabrennan4B |
2/12/2014 21:21 |
In a monolingual classroom it seems that there might be more scope for T to integrate L1 #eltchat |
| natibrandi |
2/12/2014 21:21 |
@pjgallantry multilingual groups have a clear purpose to communicate in L2 #eltchat |
| CotterHUE |
2/12/2014 21:21 |
Integration ex: In a pronunciation course, after introducing&practicing a phoneme, Ss pair up to practice&advise in their L1. #eltchat |
| joannacre |
2/12/2014 21:21 |
@SueAnnan sometimes you can ask them to explain in their L1 what they are trying to say in the L2 #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
2/12/2014 21:21 |
RT @teacherphili: How many times have we (as Ts) pulled up a S chatting in L1 only to be told they were explaining smth? #eltchat |
| pigletruth |
2/12/2014 21:21 |
@HanaTicha @SueAnnan sure that would be grotesque and weird #eltchat |
| teacherphili |
2/12/2014 21:21 |
@joannacre @SueAnnan and my extension, use peer correction... #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2/12/2014 21:22 |
@joannacre Oh yes, have done that many a time #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2/12/2014 21:22 |
@jo_sayers @MarjorieRosenbe @CotterHUE Agreed I wouldn’t have it as a rule, use as and when necessary but not as a rule #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2/12/2014 21:22 |
@ChristineMulla @pigletruth @HadaLitim Happens often in group work when they help each other. #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
2/12/2014 21:22 |
@teacherphili Great question, I’ve been there more than once! #eltchat |
| teacherphili |
2/12/2014 21:22 |
RT @teacherphili: @joannacre @SueAnnan and BY extension, use peer correction... #eltchat #correction |
| CotterHUE |
2/12/2014 21:22 |
Integration ex: Teaching for tests (TOEFL, TOEIC), students analyze passages, mistakes, etc. in their L1. #eltchat |
| pjgallantry |
2/12/2014 21:22 |
#eltchat I suspect that over-use of L1 in class reduces language learning to a problem solving task rather than language learning per se. |
| jo_sayers |
2/12/2014 21:22 |
@PETsNet Haha, bold use of reference! #eltchat |
| natibrandi |
2/12/2014 21:22 |
@PETsNet and l1 is always in their interlanguage. Even if we dont speak it in class. Plenty of mistakes come from l1 #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2/12/2014 21:22 |
I generally don't tell my Ss I understand their L1 if I do, but elicit the L1 word from them to ensure they've understood #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2/12/2014 21:22 |
RT @pjgallantry: #eltchat I suspect that over-use of L1 in class reduces language learning to a problem solving task rather than language l… |
| Lisabrennan4B |
2/12/2014 21:22 |
since in a multilingual classroom there is a far more natural need to use English #eltchat |
| teacherphili |
2/12/2014 21:23 |
@theteacherjames There were, of course, some situations when they were just chatting about smth else! #eltchat |
| mitchefl |
2/12/2014 21:23 |
@theteacherjames @teacherphili They aren't going to admit they were gossiping though, are they? #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
2/12/2014 21:23 |
Let’s be honest, it’s pretty weird to talk to someone from your own country in another language #eltchat ref @teacherphili |
| naomishema |
2/12/2014 21:23 |
RT @MrChrisJWilson: Let’s be honest, it’s pretty weird to talk to someone from your own country in another language #eltchat ref @teacherph… |
| SueAnnan |
2/12/2014 21:23 |
@Lisabrennan4B true. And I can't disadvatage the sts if I only know some of their languages #eltchat |
| pigletruth |
2/12/2014 21:23 |
@theteacherjames @teacherphili me too esp when I don't understand what they are saying in L1 #eltchat |
| Mo_Americanoid |
2/12/2014 21:23 |
RT @pigletruth: Sometimes using L1 is just a time saver when you need to explain something.Nothing wrong with it on occasion #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2/12/2014 21:23 |
@MrChrisJWilson @teacherphili Nah I do it all the time, stops people understanding us :-) #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2/12/2014 21:23 |
@pigletruth @CotterHUE @Shaunwilden Absolutely necessary is when we get stuck and can't go on. Or with emotional issue. #eltchat |
| CotterHUE |
2/12/2014 21:23 |
@pigletruth "absolutely necessary" will change from day to day :) #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2/12/2014 21:24 |
@CotterHUE @pigletruth Is it ever absolutely necessary? #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2/12/2014 21:24 |
RT @CotterHUE: @pigletruth "absolutely necessary" will change from day to day :) #eltchat |
| CotterHUE |
2/12/2014 21:24 |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @pigletruth @CotterHUE @Shaunwilden Absolutely necessary is when we get stuck and can't go on. Or with emotional issue… |
| HanaTicha |
2/12/2014 21:24 |
RT @MrChrisJWilson: Let’s be honest, it’s pretty weird to talk to someone from your own country in another language #eltchat Absolutely :-) |
| jo_sayers |
2/12/2014 21:24 |
RT @MrChrisJWilson: Let’s be honest, it’s pretty weird to talk to someone from your own country in another language #eltchat ref @teacherph… |
| joannacre |
2/12/2014 21:25 |
@MarjorieRosenbe @pigletruth @CotterHUE @Shaunwilden ah yes, emotional issues or an emergency #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
2/12/2014 21:25 |
having said that I’ve been in a class where our use of L1 was pretty much limited to the 5 mins clarification at the end #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2/12/2014 21:25 |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @pigletruth @CotterHUE @Shaunwilden Absolutely necessary is when we get stuck and can't go on. Or with emotional issue… |
| MrChrisJWilson |
2/12/2014 21:25 |
and that didn’t seem that unnatural #eltchat |
| pigletruth |
2/12/2014 21:25 |
@Shaunwilden @CotterHUE sure it is we covered this didn't we? #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2/12/2014 21:26 |
@naomishema good question. Also never have. But a German teacher here falls back on English to teach multilingual groups at times. #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2/12/2014 21:26 |
I never set out to use L1, or for sts to do so, although in pair/group work it happens #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2/12/2014 21:26 |
@pigletruth @CotterHUE It was mentioned I am not convinced about the absoluteness of it #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2/12/2014 21:26 |
I've recently observed a class where the T translated every single sentence into L1. I was horrified! #eltchat |
| PETsNet |
2/12/2014 21:26 |
Instead of long explanations in L2 , it is more efficient to give a translation of a vocabulary item or grammar explanation #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
2/12/2014 21:26 |
@HanaTicha @MrChrisJWilson Yes, but the whole classroom is an artificial construct. Not a bad thing, but true! #eltchat |
| pjgallantry |
2/12/2014 21:26 |
#eltchat on-task L1 use is OK, but being tough on off-task talkis prob. counter-productive; again creates sense of artificiality |
| HadaLitim |
2/12/2014 21:27 |
RT @Shaunwilden: @jo_sayers @MarjorieRosenbe @CotterHUE Agreed I wouldn’t have it as a rule, use as and when necessary but not as a rule #… |
| Shaunwilden |
2/12/2014 21:27 |
RT @pjgallantry: #eltchat on-task L1 use is OK, but being tough on off-task talkis prob. counter-productive; again creates sense of artific… |
| teacherphili |
2/12/2014 21:27 |
@naomishema yes, my exp. of using L1 as a Lingua Franca means you can mix Ss so not sitting with someone with same L1 #eltchat |
| jo_sayers |
2/12/2014 21:27 |
Translation and L1 in general is used in many SLA settings, it's only really in CELTA/DELTA areas it has such bad press #eltchat |
| pigletruth |
2/12/2014 21:27 |
@HanaTicha that's terrible but an extreme case surely #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
2/12/2014 21:27 |
@HanaTicha you’re giving me nightmares . Though to be fair I’ve seen adverts on Spanish TV for online lessons with almost just l1 #eltchat |
| mitchefl |
2/12/2014 21:27 |
@MarjorieRosenbe @naomishema That's interesting. Did it work? #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
2/12/2014 21:27 |
@HanaTicha Oh dear, hard to believe that still happens! #eltchat |
| teacherphili |
2/12/2014 21:27 |
RT @teacherphili: @naomishema yes, my exp. of using L2 as a Lingua Franca not L1 #eltchat #correction |
| joannacre |
2/12/2014 21:27 |
@HanaTicha did u ask y? #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2/12/2014 21:27 |
@theteacherjames @MrChrisJWilson Yes, the question of authenticity ... a big issue #eltchat |
| pjgallantry |
2/12/2014 21:27 |
@HanaTicha oh, that's just WRONG! #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2/12/2014 21:27 |
@MrChrisJWilson @naomishema @teacherphili Actually happens in multinational companies and in academic circles all the time. #eltchat |
| CotterHUE |
2/12/2014 21:27 |
@Shaunwilden: @CotterHUE @pigletruth Yes, if you consider time management. Mind you, not always. #eltchat |
| pigletruth |
2/12/2014 21:27 |
@MarjorieRosenbe @CotterHUE @Shaunwilden believe me if u tell Ss to run to a shelter that's necessary #eltchat |
| naomishema |
2/12/2014 21:27 |
@teacherphili Interesting! #eltchat |
| jo_sayers |
2/12/2014 21:28 |
@PETsNet Can be, yes. Depends on the aim of that part of the lesson #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2/12/2014 21:28 |
There's a difference between the T using it and the Ss using it #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
2/12/2014 21:28 |
@theteacherjames @HanaTicha hum. I’m not sure now. The classroom is a classroom. We have been in them at school. It’s a construct #eltchat |
| mitchefl |
2/12/2014 21:28 |
@pjgallantry How would you know unless you had a great understand of their L1? #eltchat |
| natibrandi |
2/12/2014 21:28 |
@PETsNet #eltchat there are othere procedures more useful than explanation, picture, questions, or translation if u really have to #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2/12/2014 21:28 |
@pigletruth @MarjorieRosenbe @CotterHUE Yes but thats not really part of class is it, been there with earthquakes #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
2/12/2014 21:28 |
@theteacherjames not necessarily artificial because it is common place and accepted #eltchat |
| teacherphili |
2/12/2014 21:28 |
@naomishema #ELTchat Not sharing an L1 immediately focused their minds on only using L2. #teens #eltchat |
| pigletruth |
2/12/2014 21:28 |
@MarjorieRosenbe @CotterHUE @Shaunwilden or comforting students after a traumatic event #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2/12/2014 21:29 |
@pigletruth @MarjorieRosenbe @CotterHUE done that in english when i couldn’t speak l1, seemed to work #eltchat |
| natibrandi |
2/12/2014 21:29 |
@HadaLitim #eltchat a friend gave a lesson to teach guess meaning from cntx w a text in learners' L1 and he showed ss how he figureditout |
| HanaTicha |
2/12/2014 21:29 |
@joannacre The T said they wouldn't understand. Mind you, they have learned English for 8 years! #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2/12/2014 21:29 |
while not necessarily recommended, do you think it actually does real harm? #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
2/12/2014 21:29 |
@ebefl That’s why I asked for evidence for the assertion. I didn’t make an assertion myself #eltchat |
| pigletruth |
2/12/2014 21:29 |
@Shaunwilden @MarjorieRosenbe @CotterHUE everything is part of the class.Had a suicide ,wars and other stuff all required L1 imho #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2/12/2014 21:30 |
@victorhugor @HanaTicha very true and sometimes necessary for cognitive understanding. #eltchat |
| pjgallantry |
2/12/2014 21:30 |
@mitchefl well, you could look out for paralinguistic features, such as giggling over a picture of a cat on their smartphones :) #eltchat |
| CotterHUE |
2/12/2014 21:30 |
99% of the time, I use English. Sometimes I use Japanese to set up an activity, explain an idea. Maybe that's my failing. #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
2/12/2014 21:30 |
@MrChrisJWilson @HanaTicha Artificial doesn’t mean inauthentic. Think of how many of our activities are unnatural for the context. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2/12/2014 21:30 |
ok i’ll stop being difficult now :-) #eltchat |
| PETsNet |
2/12/2014 21:30 |
Language is a vehicle for cultural aspects. Why not to use L1 in EFL classes #ELTchat |
| mitchefl |
2/12/2014 21:31 |
@pjgallantry That made me laugh so much! #eltchat |
| pigletruth |
2/12/2014 21:31 |
@Shaunwilden @MarjorieRosenbe @CotterHUE again it depends.hard to generalize #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2/12/2014 21:31 |
@natibrandi Interesting - was that to develop just reading skills? #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
2/12/2014 21:31 |
Think this got missed in the chat. In my old Russian class we had 5 mins at the end all in L1 where we asked question. I liked it. #eltchat |
| CotterHUE |
2/12/2014 21:31 |
RT @pjgallantry: #eltchat on-task L1 use is OK, but being tough on off-task talkis prob. counter-productive; again creates sense of artific… |
| MrChrisJWilson |
2/12/2014 21:31 |
that meant we clarified grammar and Vocab issues but we maximised our L2 during the class #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2/12/2014 21:32 |
@MrChrisJWilson i am not aure i get why #eltchat |
| PETsNet |
2/12/2014 21:32 |
Banning the use of L1, this underlies an ideological conception of L1 culture as being inferior. #ELTchat |
| mmgrinberg |
2/12/2014 21:32 |
@MrChrisJWilson @teacherphili doesn't feel that weird as for me. Hello #eltchat I'm gonna b on and off |
| SueAnnan |
2/12/2014 21:32 |
RT @PETsNet: Banning the use of L1, this underlies an ideological conception of L1 culture as being inferior. #ELTchat |
| natibrandi |
2/12/2014 21:32 |
@HadaLitim to show them that they can understand texts wonknowing all the worfs, n i guess building rapport, showing that t cares. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2/12/2014 21:32 |
RT @PETsNet: Banning the use of L1, this underlies an ideological conception of L1 culture as being inferior. #ELTchat |
| pigletruth |
2/12/2014 21:32 |
@MrChrisJWilson yeah I like that idea #eltchat |
| ChristineMulla |
2/12/2014 21:32 |
@PETsNet Sometimes translation not available. Don't you worry about risk of SS using an incorrect translation too? (context wise.) #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2/12/2014 21:32 |
RT @ChristineMulla: @PETsNet Sometimes translation not available. Don't you worry about risk of SS using an incorrect translation too? (con… |
| jo_sayers |
2/12/2014 21:33 |
@Shaunwilden but isn't that your job? #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2/12/2014 21:33 |
@SueAnnan It can and will if the T uses it systematically to explain #eltchat |
| ebefl |
2/12/2014 21:33 |
@ebefl: The excellent Phillip Kerr, big advocate for l1 in the classroom. http://t.co/7zfcgL7sFb #eltchat |
| teacherphili |
2/12/2014 21:33 |
Was the topic tonight more about Ts using their Ss' L1 or about Ss using it, or about both? #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2/12/2014 21:33 |
@jo_sayers @Shaunwilden LOL #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2/12/2014 21:33 |
@jo_sayers :-) #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
2/12/2014 21:33 |
@Shaunwilden the reassurance that you could make sure you’d really get what had been come up earlier. It became less as we went on #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2/12/2014 21:33 |
RT @ebefl: @ebefl: The excellent Phillip Kerr, big advocate for l1 in the classroom. http://t.co/7zfcgL7sFb #eltchat |
| CotterHUE |
2/12/2014 21:33 |
@MarjorieRosenbe 99% is almost the same as 100%. Very much depends on the class, age group, motivation, etc. #eltchat |
| natibrandi |
2/12/2014 21:34 |
@HadaLitim 1st a text in Spanish and then got them to practice w texts in English. He followed speak aloud protocol tomodel strtgy #eltchat |
| jo_sayers |
2/12/2014 21:34 |
@PETsNet Interesting point. Do you think it has impact on affect? #eltchat |
| pjgallantry |
2/12/2014 21:34 |
#eltchat should remember that a classroom is a community, & this means that all Ls have equality. Restricting L1 use has risks for learning |
| Shaunwilden |
2/12/2014 21:34 |
@MrChrisJWilson aha that makes sense now #eltchat |
| naomishema |
2/12/2014 21:34 |
@MrChrisJWilson Seems like a good strategy! #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
2/12/2014 21:34 |
@ebefl a video to watch during a twitter chat! :) #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2/12/2014 21:34 |
@teacherphili good question. I assumed both. #eltchat |
| CotterHUE |
2/12/2014 21:34 |
@MarjorieRosenbe I might chat before/after class in Japanese with one set of Ss but not another. #eltchat |
| jo_sayers |
2/12/2014 21:34 |
RT @ebefl: @ebefl: The excellent Phillip Kerr, big advocate for l1 in the classroom. http://t.co/7zfcgL7sFb #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2/12/2014 21:34 |
@teacherphili They are interdependent. If the T uses L1 too much, the ss will too. #eltchat |
| pigletruth |
2/12/2014 21:34 |
@PETsNet idea of Banning in class is a turnoff for me if it doesnt' hurt or endanger #eltchat |
| cechinda |
2/12/2014 21:34 |
RT @eltjam: #edtech #elt #eltchat #elearning http://t.co/OPwXju7Y2J |
| Shaunwilden |
2/12/2014 21:34 |
RT @teacherphili: Was the topic tonight more about Ts using their Ss' L1 or about Ss using it, or about both? #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
2/12/2014 21:34 |
I minimise L1 in my class because I can’t speak it. But it’s not an issue for me, I just want to join the conversation! #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2/12/2014 21:35 |
RT @theteacherjames: I minimise L1 in my class because I can’t speak it. But it’s not an issue for me, I just want to join the conversation… |
| teacherphili |
2/12/2014 21:35 |
@MarjorieRosenbe it did seem to include both aspects and, lo and behold, we have discussed both so far #eltchat #obviousreally |
| theteacherjames |
2/12/2014 21:35 |
RT @ebefl: @ebefl: The excellent Phillip Kerr, big advocate for l1 in the classroom. http://t.co/7zfcgL7sFb #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2/12/2014 21:35 |
@MarjorieRosenbe @teacherphili I assumed both as well, did you see it differently phil? #eltchat |
| David__Boughton |
2/12/2014 21:35 |
Hi #eltchat, looks like the topic is use of L1. Reading the tweets, am I the only one completely against? |
| natibrandi |
2/12/2014 21:36 |
@HadaLitim yeah. But it's interesting to see how their teacher follows strategies to. Might be motivating. T is also a learner #ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
2/12/2014 21:36 |
@ebefl He gave that talk at our @BELTABelgium conference last year, excellent stuff. #eltchat |
| jo_sayers |
2/12/2014 21:36 |
@CotterHUE @MarjorieRosenbe It would seem that 99 is v different from 100 in this case! Why feel that ALL L2 is that much better? #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2/12/2014 21:36 |
@natibrandi Interesting approach #eltchat Could be used with B1/2 Ss studying for IELTS |
| SueAnnan |
2/12/2014 21:36 |
I saw it as both, but possibly more from the Ts methodology side if anything #eltchat |
| teacherphili |
2/12/2014 21:36 |
@theteacherjames I've always minimised my L1 - some advice that Alan Whicker gave to me years ago.. #eltchat |
| cioccas |
2/12/2014 21:36 |
@teacherphili As a T in a multicultural, multilingual class I can’t speak the Ss L1s, so not an issue :-) #ELTchat |
| HanaTicha |
2/12/2014 21:36 |
@David__Boughton Don't worry. I'm not in favour either :-) #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2/12/2014 21:36 |
@natibrandi Interesting approach #eltchat Could be used with B1/2 Ss studying for IELTS #eltchat |
| mmgrinberg |
2/12/2014 21:36 |
Very often ss are not aware of the fact they're speaking l1 or at least using a mix of l1 and l2 and that cd b an issue #EltChat |
| HadaLitim |
2/12/2014 21:37 |
@natibrandi Yes, I like it! #eltchat |
| jo_sayers |
2/12/2014 21:37 |
@CotterHUE @MarjorieRosenbe Also, I think Ss sometimes respect you more if you have some of their L1 #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2/12/2014 21:37 |
@cioccas @teacherphili but do you let them use their L1? #eltchat |
| joannacre |
2/12/2014 21:37 |
@theteacherjames I sometimes use my bad German to make them feel comfortable and think "eh,she makes mistakes too. It's ok!" #eltchat |
| pjgallantry |
2/12/2014 21:37 |
#eltchat what are the classsroom management issues raised by having one group of sts in class using their L1 and other sts being affected? |
| Shaunwilden |
2/12/2014 21:37 |
RT @joannacre: @theteacherjames I sometimes use my bad German to make them feel comfortable and think "eh,she makes mistakes too. It's ok!"… |
| SueAnnan |
2/12/2014 21:37 |
RT @pjgallantry: #eltchat what are the classsroom management issues raised by having one group of sts in class using their L1 and other sts… |
| David__Boughton |
2/12/2014 21:37 |
@HanaTicha No, I've never seen the benefits of it (at least they don;'t outweigh the negatives!) #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2/12/2014 21:37 |
RT @pjgallantry: #eltchat what are the classsroom management issues raised by having one group of sts in class using their L1 and other sts… |
| theteacherjames |
2/12/2014 21:37 |
@joannacre I like the idea, but I’m at elementary level, so I can’t offer up much! #eltchat |
| natibrandi |
2/12/2014 21:37 |
@HadaLitim i guess so.Find a similartask in ss' l1 n show them how u would do it in their lang, then get them to practice in l2? #ELTchat |
| teacherphili |
2/12/2014 21:38 |
@Shaunwilden @cioccas sometimes. If I know if it is about the work. Body lang & other factors usually give them away if its not #eltchat |
| mitchefl |
2/12/2014 21:38 |
@David__Boughton In theory I'm against it I have nearly recorded myself saying Please speak English but I have used it on occasion #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2/12/2014 21:38 |
@jo_sayers @CotterHUE @MarjorieRosenbe Not is Saudi Arabia! #eltchat |
| David__Boughton |
2/12/2014 21:38 |
@cioccas Same here, and it is a matter of respect that the students don't use their L1 when others around #eltchat |
| naomishema |
2/12/2014 21:38 |
I found that my hearing adult students liked that I use my hands a lot when speaking Eng. It minimized need for explaining. #eltchat |
| jo_sayers |
2/12/2014 21:38 |
@Shaunwilden @cioccas @teacherphili it's interesting to use the word 'let' here. Ss will always use their L1 in their head! #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2/12/2014 21:38 |
@pjgallantry mix up the seating will be lessof a problem? #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
2/12/2014 21:38 |
@joannacre I achieve the same result by telling them about my language learning experiences. Tell them I know how they feel. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2/12/2014 21:38 |
@jo_sayers @cioccas @teacherphili Excellent point #eltchat |
| cioccas |
2/12/2014 21:38 |
@Shaunwilden @teacherphili Many have no one to use L1 with! In lower level classes I do if it helps them understand better #eltchat |
| natibrandi |
2/12/2014 21:38 |
@mmgrinberg contrastive analysis to give feedback then? U say i am agree cause in spanish is estoy de acuerdo. Eng is different #ELTchat |
| teacherphili |
2/12/2014 21:39 |
@jo_sayers good point, Jon. Good point. #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2/12/2014 21:39 |
@jo_sayers @Shaunwilden @cioccas @teacherphili I don't think so! They'll finally switch to l2 in their heads #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
2/12/2014 21:39 |
@teacherphili I’m still trying to figure out that reference… #eltchat |
| jo_sayers |
2/12/2014 21:39 |
@David__Boughton @HanaTicha Really? But when is anything ever that black and white? #eltchat |
| evab2001 |
2/12/2014 21:39 |
RT @SueAnnan: I don't believe that it is wrong to use L1 when necessary. #eltchat |
| David__Boughton |
2/12/2014 21:39 |
@jo_sayers They may respect you, but they won't interact in English with you. I have faked not knowing Spanish for years. #eltchat |
| CotterHUE |
2/12/2014 21:39 |
Fluency practice: if Ss mix a word of L1 to speak quickly,smoothly, etc, then later check the word, that's ok. #eltchat |
| cioccas |
2/12/2014 21:39 |
@jo_sayers @Shaunwilden @teacherphili For me it would be the disruption to other Ss if they were speaking in L1 a lot #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2/12/2014 21:39 |
@HanaTicha @jo_sayers @cioccas @teacherphili Really? after how long? #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2/12/2014 21:39 |
@joannacre @theteacherjames Haha I do that too..with my bad Arabic! #eltchat |
| natibrandi |
2/12/2014 21:39 |
@theteacherjames @joannacre defo. This is suggested in teaching unplugged 2. #ELTchat |
| evab2001 |
2/12/2014 21:39 |
RT @SueAnnan: I don't mind the work done in L1 if the answers are in L2 #eltchat |
| teacherphili |
2/12/2014 21:39 |
@cioccas so in a class of 12 would you have up to 12 different L1s available? #eltchat |
| pjgallantry |
2/12/2014 21:40 |
@SueAnnan it can be, but L1s have a habit of gravitating towards each other :) #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2/12/2014 21:40 |
@Shaunwilden @jo_sayers @cioccas @teacherphili After the intermediate plateu..they say :-) #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
2/12/2014 21:40 |
I often wonder if L1 is more useful to explain bigger items (phrases/grammar) not single words (which is common?) #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
2/12/2014 21:40 |
@natibrandi @joannacre That’s probably where I stole it from! #eltchat |
| David__Boughton |
2/12/2014 21:40 |
@jo_sayers @HanaTicha Not black and thiw, but not using L1 has more benefits than using it (in my opinion) #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2/12/2014 21:41 |
@HanaTicha @jo_sayers @cioccas @teacherphili And do you have any proof of this ? :-) #eltchat |
| evab2001 |
2/12/2014 21:41 |
@SueAnnan agree and sometimes the artificial atmosphere and pressure stop them to do a better job #eltchat |
| cioccas |
2/12/2014 21:41 |
@teacherphili So in a class of 12 would you have up to 12 different L1s available? #eltchat < Quite possibly! More like 12 L1s in 18 Ss |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2/12/2014 21:41 |
@mmgrinberg sounds like code-switching to me. I point it out and explain it and we work at moving more to L2. #eltchat |
| jo_sayers |
2/12/2014 21:41 |
@David__Boughton That's not always true. I had SS who knew I knew their L1 and we spoke in English #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2/12/2014 21:41 |
@Shaunwilden @jo_sayers @cioccas @teacherphili I've heard of some evidence. And I was an L2 learner after all :-) #eltchat |
| cioccas |
2/12/2014 21:41 |
RT @MrChrisJWilson: I often wonder if L1 is more useful to explain bigger items (phrases/grammar) not single words (which is common?) #eltc… |
| MrChrisJWilson |
2/12/2014 21:41 |
One thing I started doing and it eliminated a load of L1 was eliciting functional language for tasks #eltchat |
| mmgrinberg |
2/12/2014 21:41 |
@natibrandi I use an activity called Mother tongue scribes from the Rinvolucri & Deller (?) bk #eltchat |
| mitchefl |
2/12/2014 21:41 |
@MrChrisJWilson Does that maybe depend on the learner? I hate long explanations in any language #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2/12/2014 21:42 |
@pjgallantry I 've a class like that. I move mySwiss girl round, making 4 pairs of mixed. Caught them out. Now don't sit together #eltchat |
| naomishema |
2/12/2014 21:42 |
RT @MrChrisJWilson: One thing I started doing and it eliminated a load of L1 was eliciting functional language for tasks #eltchat >YES!! |
| natibrandi |
2/12/2014 21:42 |
“@mmgrinberg: @natibrandi I use an activity called Mother tongue scribes from the Rinvolucri & Deller (?) bk #eltchat”interesting! |
| David__Boughton |
2/12/2014 21:42 |
@jo_sayers Me too, but I had more students that once they knew I spoke the L1, everythign changed! #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2/12/2014 21:42 |
@HanaTicha Me two in two languages and I rarely think directly in them #eltchat |
| teacherphili |
2/12/2014 21:42 |
@cioccas my current Fri. class is bit like that - 9 nats, 8 diff L1s. Arabic students wld be lost if they cldnt use L1 w/ each oth #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
2/12/2014 21:42 |
RT @MrChrisJWilson: I often wonder if L1 is more useful to explain bigger items (phrases/grammar) not single words (which is common?) #eltc… |
| HadaLitim |
2/12/2014 21:42 |
@theteacherjames @joannacre Ye me too and I find helps lower the affective filter esp. for thse who've got no intrinsic motivation #eltchat |
| jo_sayers |
2/12/2014 21:42 |
@Shaunwilden @HanaTicha @cioccas @teacherphili Even after that stage we still refer to our L1s. Why wouldn't we? #eltchat |
| pigletruth |
2/12/2014 21:43 |
@jo_sayers @David__Boughton me too that used to be the case for me.#eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2/12/2014 21:43 |
@MrChrisJWilson @cioccas I do both when necessary. #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
2/12/2014 21:43 |
@mitchefl longer (language items), not necessarily long. and the alternative is it in L2 not without at all (that’s my point) #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2/12/2014 21:43 |
@Shaunwilden It means you haven't got off the intermediate plateau yet, maybe #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2/12/2014 21:43 |
RT @evab2001: @SueAnnan agree and sometimes the artificial atmosphere and pressure stop them to do a better job #eltchat |
| cioccas |
2/12/2014 21:43 |
@teacherphili I enrolled an Arabic speaking S yesterday who requested to be in a class with no other Arabic speakers :-) #eltchat |
| Lisabrennan4B |
2/12/2014 21:43 |
@joannacre Yes, I definitely do the same, to try to put my sts at ease, and encourage them to give it a go! #eltchat |
| CotterHUE |
2/12/2014 21:44 |
@jo_sayers: @CotterHUE @MarjorieRosenbe Re: respect: I disagree but depends on class. Uni kids, maybe youre more accessible in L1. #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2/12/2014 21:44 |
@cioccas we get that request too. But they find each other in the breaks :-) #eltchat |
| jo_sayers |
2/12/2014 21:44 |
Good ex is to get Ss to translate phrases into L1, then take in sheets. Give back next lesson and they trans back to L2. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2/12/2014 21:44 |
@HanaTicha I just think it’s a be too wishful thinking that this is the norm without hard evidence #eltchat |
| teacherphili |
2/12/2014 21:44 |
@cioccas yes, actually better for them. In my situation the L1 used just to explain/confirm #eltchat |
| cioccas |
2/12/2014 21:44 |
@MarjorieRosenbe @MrChrisJWilson I can’t - have enough trouble with grammar explan in English, let alone 12 other languages :-) #eltchat |
| David__Boughton |
2/12/2014 21:44 |
@cioccas @teacherphili That`s the norm in Toronto. Prospoectives won`t sign up of they see same L1 students in the school. #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
2/12/2014 21:45 |
@cioccas context of course matters! #eltchat |
| CotterHUE |
2/12/2014 21:45 |
@jo_sayers: @CotterHUE @MarjorieRosenbe Re:respect: Adults look at how well you conduct the class, how well they understand, etc. #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2/12/2014 21:45 |
@Shaunwilden Like most of the issues in ELT I'm afraid. #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2/12/2014 21:45 |
ever used Straightforward? It has sections for translation into L1 for comparison. Sts love it #eltchat |
| cioccas |
2/12/2014 21:45 |
@David__Boughton @teacherphili But very diffciult when they suddenly arrive in your college in huge numbers! :-) #eltchat |
| PETsNet |
2/12/2014 21:45 |
Good advice: using L2 as the medium of instruction when possible and switching to L1 when it is really necessary. #ELTchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
2/12/2014 21:45 |
RT @SueAnnan: ever used Straightforward? It has sections for translation into L1 for comparison. Sts love it #eltchat |
| joannacre |
2/12/2014 21:45 |
so what about using a dictionary with the vocab in l2. My Chinese lnrs always do that!am I promoting autonomous learning?! #eltchat |
| natibrandi |
2/12/2014 21:45 |
@Shaunwilden @cioccas @teacherphili it's better if they think in English together but sometimes too difficult for their legel. #eltchat |
| CotterHUE |
2/12/2014 21:46 |
RT @jo_sayers: Good ex is to get Ss to translate phrases into L1, then take in sheets. Give back next lesson and they trans back to L2. #el… |
| teacherphili |
2/12/2014 21:46 |
@cioccas @David__Boughton Not always possible to separate them, is it? #eltchat |
| mmgrinberg |
2/12/2014 21:46 |
@MarjorieRosenbe ...this often corresponds with so called automatic thoughts. May trigger shame and / or deprssion. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2/12/2014 21:46 |
@SueAnnan A number of course book have / had that in it #eltchat |
| David__Boughton |
2/12/2014 21:46 |
@cioccas @teacherphili Absolutely, single biggest issue in Toronto schools. #ELTchat |
| HadaLitim |
2/12/2014 21:46 |
@cioccas @teacherphili Word's gone round here that Ss come back after long stays in Eng spking countries still needing to learn! #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2/12/2014 21:46 |
@joannacre can you give them a L2 only dictionary? #ELTchat I've started with my sts |
| David__Boughton |
2/12/2014 21:46 |
@teacherphili @cioccas No, definitely not. #ELTchat |
| HanaTicha |
2/12/2014 21:46 |
@HadaLitim @cioccas @teacherphili The same over here #eltchat |
| jo_sayers |
2/12/2014 21:47 |
@David__Boughton @cioccas @teacherphili All marketing/PR that feeds the pockets of the 'communicative approach' advocates! #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
2/12/2014 21:47 |
@HadaLitim @cioccas @teacherphili That doesn’t surprise me. #eltchat |
| teacherphili |
2/12/2014 21:47 |
How can we help tchrs integrate Ss’ L1 into L2 learning in a principled way? Did we address that part yet? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2/12/2014 21:47 |
RT @teacherphili: How can we help tchrs integrate Ss’ L1 into L2 learning in a principled way? Did we address that part yet? #eltchat |
| cioccas |
2/12/2014 21:47 |
@David__Boughton @teacherphili Agreed, sometimes impossible #ELTchat |
| natibrandi |
2/12/2014 21:47 |
@SueAnnan @joannacre there are graded dictionaries 2. Great for lower levels. Even picture dictionaries #ELTchat |
| David__Boughton |
2/12/2014 21:47 |
@jo_sayers @cioccas @teacherphili Not sure I get it, could you explain? #ELTchat |
| PETsNet |
2/12/2014 21:48 |
Students would never be able to express and communicate their needs with L2 they speak poorly. #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2/12/2014 21:48 |
@teacherphili perhaps if we use it for contrastive analysis? #eltchat |
| teacherphili |
2/12/2014 21:48 |
@HadaLitim @cioccas and you would be in Jeddah, am I right? #eltchat |
| mitchefl |
2/12/2014 21:48 |
@MrChrisJWilson My apologies. Reading it again, I totally missed your point the first time. #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
2/12/2014 21:48 |
Expanding on @jo_sayers point. Is all the focus on direct method (and lack of evidence) just to support NEST domination? #Eltchat |
| cioccas |
2/12/2014 21:48 |
RT @David__Boughton @jo_sayers @cioccas @teacherphili Not sure I get it, could you explain? #ELTchat < I’m confused too. |
| MrChrisJWilson |
2/12/2014 21:49 |
is there really evidence that it’s better to do everything in L1? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2/12/2014 21:49 |
RT @MrChrisJWilson: is there really evidence that it’s better to do everything in L1? #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2/12/2014 21:49 |
@MrChrisJWilson @jo_sayers exactly where I started this conversation :-) #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2/12/2014 21:49 |
@teacherphili @cioccas Yup!! How did you guess? #eltchat |
| jo_sayers |
2/12/2014 21:49 |
@David__Boughton @cioccas @teacherphili if you can learn well with loads of other L1 speakers why travel to Toronto? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2/12/2014 21:49 |
ten minutes left of this #eltchat |
| natibrandi |
2/12/2014 21:49 |
@teacherphili contrastive analysis for feedback if mistakes come from L1 seems to be a sound decison #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2/12/2014 21:50 |
RT @natibrandi: @teacherphili contrastive analysis for feedback if mistakes come from L1 seems to be a sound decison #eltchat |
| David__Boughton |
2/12/2014 21:50 |
@MrChrisJWilson Yes, all students that come to Toronto didn't learn English because did everything in home country in L1. #eltchat |
| teacherphili |
2/12/2014 21:50 |
@HadaLitim It's on your Twitter profile. #cheated #ELTchat I've been there, taught in Riyadh. |
| pigletruth |
2/12/2014 21:50 |
@MrChrisJWilson my feeling entirely just another teaching trend? #eltchat |
| jo_sayers |
2/12/2014 21:50 |
RT @MrChrisJWilson: Expanding on @jo_sayers point. Is all the focus on direct method (and lack of evidence) just to support NEST domination… |
| cioccas |
2/12/2014 21:50 |
@jo_sayers I think it was more the marketing/PR & CLT comment that had @David__Boughton & me confused :) #eltchat |
| David__Boughton |
2/12/2014 21:50 |
@jo_sayers @cioccas @teacherphili I guess I haven't seen that happen too often. #ELTchat |
| natibrandi |
2/12/2014 21:51 |
@teacherphili very useful for idioms or structures that are reeeally different or similar. #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
2/12/2014 21:51 |
@David__Boughton that isn’t evidence and it’s a false dichotomy of all in L1 and all in L2. #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2/12/2014 21:51 |
Sometimes the use of L1 after a long stretch of L2 on the T's side may be refreshing. Can bring ss down to earth, let them pause. #eltchat |
| CotterHUE |
2/12/2014 21:51 |
Have Ss give feedback to one another after stages. Or incorporate short analysis activities as a step toward free activities. #eltchat |
| naomishema |
2/12/2014 21:51 |
@HanaTicha I've seen that happen! #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
2/12/2014 21:51 |
@pigletruth it’s not really a trend though, it’s been around for a long time in one form or another. #eltchat |
| David__Boughton |
2/12/2014 21:52 |
@MrChrisJWilson Certainly not academic evidence, but the number one complaint of students coming from abroad in my experience. #ELTchat |
| cioccas |
2/12/2014 21:52 |
@jo_sayers @David__Boughton @teacherphili The issue is encouraging them to use L2 OUTside the classroom when in Toronto, etc. #eltchat |
| mitchefl |
2/12/2014 21:52 |
@David__Boughton @MrChrisJWilson I learned French at school and remember none. All taught in English but I had no interest either. #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2/12/2014 21:52 |
@jo_sayers @David__Boughton @cioccas @teacherphili It's the case in classroom where L1 is banned. Some Ss say they benefit more #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2/12/2014 21:52 |
@naomishema @HanaTicha Me too.#eltchat |
| mmgrinberg |
2/12/2014 21:52 |
@MarjorieRosenbe ...and enforce the limiting beliefs that prevent language learning. Behavioral control over l1 -> we cut those off #eltchat |
| natibrandi |
2/12/2014 21:52 |
@MrChrisJWilson dont think so. What about exposure? And classroom lang they pick up by authentically using it inclass? #eltchat |
| joannacre |
2/12/2014 21:52 |
@natibrandi @teacherphili yeap collocations too. Sometimes they say some bizarre things due to L1 interference #eltchat |
| pigletruth |
2/12/2014 21:52 |
@naomishema @HanaTicha me too #eltchat |
| teacherphili |
2/12/2014 21:53 |
RT @natibrandi: @teacherphili contrastive analysis for feedback if mistakes come from L1 seems to be a sound decison #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
2/12/2014 21:53 |
doesn’t have to be all in L1 or all in L2. Point of the chat is principled use. My point is “Is all in L2 just to promote NEST” #eltchat |
| natibrandi |
2/12/2014 21:53 |
RT @joannacre: @natibrandi @teacherphili yeap collocations too. Sometimes they say some bizarre things due to L1 interference #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2/12/2014 21:54 |
I suppose exposure depends on the country. What about EFL sts in their own country? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2/12/2014 21:54 |
Almost time for your last words of wisdom (in whatever language you see fit) #eltchat |
| cioccas |
2/12/2014 21:54 |
My best Spanish class (in Australia) was when the T used mostly Spanish - but some Ss were really stressed by this & dropped out #ELTchat |
| jo_sayers |
2/12/2014 21:54 |
@cioccas @David__Boughton Agents can only sell trips to Eng spk countries if experience differs from home. So immersion in L2 = £££ #eltchat |
| PETsNet |
2/12/2014 21:54 |
Ss don't benefit when teachersover-rely on using their Ss’ L1, particularly when the EFL teacher is the sole linguistic model #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2/12/2014 21:54 |
We’ll need a summary writer for this #eltchat if anyone wants to volunteer |
| HanaTicha |
2/12/2014 21:54 |
@natibrandi @MrChrisJWilson Agree. Ss need a lot of repeated input to be able to produce something. T's talk in L2 is ideal. #eltchat |
| teacherphili |
2/12/2014 21:54 |
@joannacre #ELTchat @natibrandi which was the topic of a previous chat #ELTchat 29.06.11 |
| David__Boughton |
2/12/2014 21:54 |
@jo_sayers @cioccas Yes, but still the number one request of students in Eng spk countries (influenced by agents?) #ELTchat |
| mmgrinberg |
2/12/2014 21:55 |
Has anybody mentioned a book Using the Mother Tongue. A Gr8 one #EltChat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2/12/2014 21:55 |
@mmgrinberg not sure what you mean. Sometimes sts move without realising more naturally to L2 because they are comfortable. #eltchat |
| teacherphili |
2/12/2014 21:55 |
RT @Shaunwilden: We’ll need a summary writer for this #eltchat if anyone wants to volunteer > that time already? |
| SueAnnan |
2/12/2014 21:55 |
RT @Shaunwilden: We’ll need a summary writer for this #eltchat if anyone wants to volunteer |
| cioccas |
2/12/2014 21:55 |
@jo_sayers @David__Boughton Difficult when Ss use their L1 exclus in Eng spk country outside class & dont take advantage of opp. #ELTchat |
| jo_sayers |
2/12/2014 21:55 |
@MrChrisJWilson Yes, I think it feeds into that a lot. Hard to remove the business case from it. But no ev that all L2 = better #eltchat |
| natibrandi |
2/12/2014 21:56 |
@SueAnnan true, it also always depends on the procedure aim. If u see what they do in l1 it helps to see also how they act #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2/12/2014 21:56 |
L1 only judiciously from the T. Ss may use it to negotiate meaning in group work as T can't force them not to use it. #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2/12/2014 21:56 |
@cioccas @jo_sayers @David__Boughton i suppose thats why schools have evening activity programmes #eltchat |
| cioccas |
2/12/2014 21:56 |
@mmgrinberg This one? Using the Mother Tongue: http://t.co/Ie11Wi8cru #EltChat |
| David__Boughton |
2/12/2014 21:56 |
@cioccas @jo_sayers That's a huge difficulty. Homestays/Host Families really help with that. #eltchat |
| natibrandi |
2/12/2014 21:56 |
@SueAnnan cultural diffs can be studied if we have them do a task in spanish, like asking for info, are they polite enough? Etc #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
2/12/2014 21:57 |
@SueAnnan There is no way my sts are not going to speak Spanish together when I’m not there! #eltchat |
| natibrandi |
2/12/2014 21:57 |
RT @HadaLitim: L1 only judiciously from the T. Ss may use it to negotiate meaning in group work as T can't force them not to use it. #eltc… |
| jo_sayers |
2/12/2014 21:57 |
Recent post I did here on use of translation and L1 in online learning http://t.co/2fPFeEzEoT #eltchat |
| natibrandi |
2/12/2014 21:57 |
RT @cioccas: @mmgrinberg This one? Using the Mother Tongue: http://t.co/Ie11Wi8cru #EltChat |
| Shaunwilden |
2/12/2014 21:57 |
RT @jo_sayers: Recent post I did here on use of translation and L1 in online learning http://t.co/2fPFeEzEoT #eltchat |
| NewbieCELTA |
2/12/2014 21:58 |
RT @jo_sayers: Translation and L1 in general is used in many SLA settings, it's only really in CELTA/DELTA areas it has such bad press #elt… |
| HadaLitim |
2/12/2014 21:58 |
Ss' main aim in the classroom is to learn L2. If they could, they would so when they feel they need to, why not. As for the T, no! #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2/12/2014 21:58 |
@theteacherjames we do evenings- and send a couple of teachers along#eltchat It works |
| jo_sayers |
2/12/2014 21:58 |
RT @theteacherjames: @SueAnnan There is no way my sts are not going to speak Spanish together when I’m not there! #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
2/12/2014 21:58 |
@mmgrinberg This one? http://t.co/lyIMIXFz5o #eltchat |
| mitchefl |
2/12/2014 21:58 |
RT @cioccas: @mmgrinberg This one? Using the Mother Tongue: http://t.co/Ie11Wi8cru #EltChat |
| natibrandi |
2/12/2014 21:58 |
RT @jo_sayers: Recent post I did here on use of translation and L1 in online learning http://t.co/2fPFeEzEoT #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2/12/2014 21:58 |
Switching between languages is natural. We did it growing up and now do it as well. Unnatural to use 1 when you know more. #eltchat |
| David__Boughton |
2/12/2014 21:58 |
@SueAnnan @theteacherjames It definitely works! #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2/12/2014 21:59 |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: Switching between languages is natural. We did it growing up and now do it as well. Unnatural to use 1 when you know m… |
| mmgrinberg |
2/12/2014 21:59 |
@MarjorieRosenbe I don't mean it is so all the time, but Switching to l1May Correspond with an onset of an emotion like shame. #eltchat |
| teacherphili |
2/12/2014 21:59 |
Any potential summary writer might want to note previous chat on similar topic to this discussed 20.03.13. http://t.co/leQHDveLj5 #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
2/12/2014 21:59 |
What a lively chat #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2/12/2014 21:59 |
Summary writer please #eltchat |
| jo_sayers |
2/12/2014 21:59 |
And this is a great book on translation in language teaching http://t.co/IP6JpC9v0z #eltchat |
| cioccas |
2/12/2014 22:00 |
@teacherphili Thanks Phil, I thought it had been discussed not so long ago. Seems to be a perrenial issue :-) #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2/12/2014 22:00 |
Can one of other mods get the transcript, am on a new computer and it’s not set up for archivist yet #eltchat |
| ChristineMulla |
2/12/2014 22:00 |
Sorry, had to leave abruptly; late apartment viewings. Thanks for the chat. #eltchat |
| mmgrinberg |
2/12/2014 22:00 |
RT @cioccas: @mmgrinberg This one? Using the Mother Tongue: http://t.co/Ie11Wi8cru #EltChat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2/12/2014 22:00 |
@SueAnnan I try to get my sts to meet English speakers here in Austria.#eltchat |
| natibrandi |
2/12/2014 22:00 |
RT @jo_sayers: And this is a great book on translation in language teaching http://t.co/IP6JpC9v0z #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2/12/2014 22:00 |
RT @SueAnnan: What a lively chat #eltchat Strongly agree :-) #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2/12/2014 22:00 |
by all accounts using both languages is good for the brain #eltchat |
| teacherphili |
2/12/2014 22:00 |
Although new summary would be about this chat, of course #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
2/12/2014 22:00 |
In any language the message is the same: we need a summary writer - can you help? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2/12/2014 22:00 |
RT @theteacherjames: In any language the message is the same: we need a summary writer - can you help? #eltchat |
| natibrandi |
2/12/2014 22:00 |
RT @SueAnnan: by all accounts using both languages is good for the brain #eltchat |
| natibrandi |
2/12/2014 22:01 |
“@HanaTicha: RT @SueAnnan: What a lively chat #eltchat Strongly agree :-) #eltchat”:) |
| cioccas |
2/12/2014 22:01 |
RT @HanaTicha RT @SueAnnan: What a lively chat #eltchat Strongly agree :-) #eltchat < Yes! Glad I could join for the end of it. Thanks all. |
| theteacherjames |
2/12/2014 22:01 |
@Shaunwilden I can’t, no way of doing it anymore unfortunately. #eltchat |
| teacherphili |
2/12/2014 22:01 |
@cioccas there's a few but this one was the closest in tone to today's chat #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2/12/2014 22:01 |
@teacherphili I think I did aummary on that one nut can't do this one as preparing for trip. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2/12/2014 22:01 |
@SueAnnan Oh yes forget that, well I can get it in the morning then #eltchat |
| mmgrinberg |
2/12/2014 22:01 |
@theteacherjames yes! #eltchat |
| teacherphili |
2/12/2014 22:01 |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @teacherphili I think I did summary on that one nut can't do this one as preparing for trip. #eltchat > You did! |
| natibrandi |
2/12/2014 22:02 |
@theteacherjames sorry. Not this time ): #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2/12/2014 22:02 |
I could do summary at the weekend #eltchat |
| mmgrinberg |
2/12/2014 22:02 |
@cioccas yes ! #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2/12/2014 22:02 |
Our university runs tandem program to paor up Austrian sts with NS of pther languages. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2/12/2014 22:02 |
Thanks for joining #eltchat next week we’re at 12GMT |
| SueAnnan |
2/12/2014 22:02 |
RT @Shaunwilden: Thanks for joining #eltchat next week we’re at 12GMT |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2/12/2014 22:03 |
@SueAnnan After EVO? #eltchat |
| teacherphili |
2/12/2014 22:03 |
@SueAnnan I'm tempted but don't want to commit myself. Not possible for me in next 4 days, really. Too busy. #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2/12/2014 22:03 |
Thanks everyone. Great discussion as always :-) #eltchat |
| cioccas |
2/12/2014 22:03 |
Can’t do summary, am preparing for #IATEFL #ltsig Webinar for this Sunday: #AusELT Developing an online CoP http://t.co/D89j5JK76i #ELTchat |
| NewbieCELTA |
2/12/2014 22:03 |
In ESOL clsrm full of Chinese who live &work in Chinatown it's important to set up English only rule (w/buy-in) 2 make most of opp #eltchat |
| naomishema |
2/12/2014 22:03 |
Good night! Afraid I can't join noon chats. #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
2/12/2014 22:03 |
Good night #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
2/12/2014 22:03 |
@natibrandi Never mind - some other time? #eltchat |
| mitchefl |
2/12/2014 22:03 |
Thanks for the #eltchat. I'll try to make it again next week. Bye |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2/12/2014 22:03 |
@Shaunwilden will be away and probably without wifi at time. #eltchat |
| cioccas |
2/12/2014 22:04 |
Yes, that was shameless promotion :-) #ELTchat |
| jo_sayers |
2/12/2014 22:04 |
Thanks everyone, really good #eltchat |
| ChristineMulla |
2/12/2014 22:04 |
RT @HanaTicha: RT @SueAnnan: What a lively chat #eltchat Strongly agree :-) #eltchat |
| cioccas |
2/12/2014 22:04 |
Thanks for another terrific #ELTchat - time for work as start of a new day here :-) |
| theteacherjames |
2/12/2014 22:04 |
Thanks for coming everyone, very enjoyable discussion. #eltchat |
| natibrandi |
2/12/2014 22:04 |
@theteacherjames hope i can join. Difficult to join from latin america :) thanks everyone gr8 discussion #eltchat |
| teacherphili |
2/12/2014 22:05 |
@cioccas must be a really buzzy way to start the day! #eltchat |
| HadaLitim |
2/12/2014 22:05 |
#eltchat thanks everyone and goodnight |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2/12/2014 22:05 |
@MrChrisJWilson we switch between L1 and l2 but don't think about it so much. #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
2/12/2014 22:05 |
@natibrandi I know, I’m in Costa Rica so I can’t make it to the early chats! #eltchat |
| natibrandi |
2/12/2014 22:05 |
RT @SueAnnan: I could do summary at the weekend #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
2/12/2014 22:05 |
Goodnight everyone- or good morning Lesley :-) #eltchat |
| NewbieCELTA |
2/12/2014 22:05 |
#eltchat &very important to teach classroom requests, S-S func. lang for checking, etc and small/social talk they can use to interact with. |
| MicaelaCarey |
2/12/2014 22:05 |
Goodnight all. Thanks for another great #eltchat :-) |
| cioccas |
2/12/2014 22:05 |
@teacherphili Yes! Better than joining the other one as it finishes around midnight & I can’t sleep for all the buzzing :) #eltchat |
| joannacre |
2/12/2014 22:06 |
nitie nite :) in every language...#eltchat |
| cioccas |
2/12/2014 22:06 |
@SueAnnan Thanks Sue :) #eltchat |
| naomishema |
2/12/2014 22:06 |
A Moment of Distraction – 2 Perspectives http://t.co/yQXaWawLfs #eltchat #efl #esl #edchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
2/12/2014 22:07 |
Thanks everyone for another inspiring chat. #eltchat |
| mmgrinberg |
2/12/2014 22:14 |
Thank you everyone. 2 am here on a night train from Moscow to Saint-Peterburg #EltChat |
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