| username |
local date |
status |
| HanaTicha |
02/05/2014 13:01 |
Hello, everybody #eltchat |
| DanielaArghir |
02/05/2014 14:01 |
@teflgeek Good afternoon everybody - first #eltchat of the year for me too. :-) |
| DanielaArghir |
02/05/2014 14:01 |
RT @Shaunwilden: “That Sinking Feeling†– How teachers feel after a ‘bad lesson’ and how they transform failures (or don’t) into progress #… |
| Marisa_C |
02/05/2014 14:02 |
@HanaTicha @DanielaArghir @teflgeek Hya and hello to my fellow moderator @Shaunwilden - please ask us if new to #ELtchat and need help |
| Kryftina |
02/05/2014 14:02 |
Hello people! Here for #eltchat after a long long time! |
| cherrymp |
02/05/2014 17:32 |
@teflgeek You're not alone - first #eltchat of mine too. |
| Shaunwilden |
02/05/2014 13:02 |
Let’s hope we avoid the sinking feeling for the next hour :-) #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
02/05/2014 14:04 |
@cherrymp @Kryftina Shall we kick off ? #eltchat I guess we all have this feeling now and then |
| AliciaVictorio |
02/05/2014 12:04 |
RT @DanielaArghir: “That Sinking Feeling†– How teachers feel after a ‘bad lesson’ and how they transform failures (or don’t) into progress… |
| Shaunwilden |
02/05/2014 13:04 |
It’s normal isn’t it? #eltchat? |
| teflgeek |
02/05/2014 12:04 |
my first question is what causes "that sinking feeling" with you? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
02/05/2014 13:04 |
RT @teflgeek: my first question is what causes "that sinking feeling" with you? #eltchat |
| patrickelt |
02/05/2014 12:05 |
@Marisa_C @cherrymp @Kryftina Yes and seemed very important when inexperienced. #ELTchat |
| HanaTicha |
02/05/2014 13:06 |
Sometimes this sinking feeling doesn't correspond with the real outcome. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
02/05/2014 13:06 |
@teflgeek Good ?, for me its the nagging doubt caused when sty doesn’t go quite right #eltchat |
| patrickelt |
02/05/2014 12:06 |
@teflgeek Oft6en happened when an activity did not work as expected #ELTchat |
| cherrymp |
02/05/2014 17:36 |
@Marisa_C #eltchat Of course - we do experience that feel. Just as the topic says it's what we do after the feeling that matters. |
| Marisa_C |
02/05/2014 14:06 |
RT @teflgeek: my first question is what causes "that sinking feeling" with you? #eltchat > Gd Q Peter |
| Shaunwilden |
02/05/2014 13:06 |
@HanaTicha Agreed, i think we can get it by misreading a situation #eltchat |
| SwanDOS |
02/05/2014 13:07 |
RT @Shaunwilden: “That Sinking Feeling†– How teachers feel after a ‘bad lesson’ and how they transform failures (or don’t) into progress #… |
| Marisa_C |
02/05/2014 14:07 |
RT @Shaunwilden: @HanaTicha Agreed, i think we can get it by misreading a situation #eltchat > Misreading can happen both ways of course :-) |
| patrickelt |
02/05/2014 12:07 |
@HanaTicha And students often seem more forgiving of faults than we are/expect as long as it is rare #ELTchat |
| PETsNet |
02/05/2014 07:08 |
Hello colleagues at #ELTchat Sinking feeling underlines all our daily work. |
| HanaTicha |
02/05/2014 13:08 |
@patrickelt They don't even recognize the faults. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
02/05/2014 14:08 |
So looking at how to reflect and evaluate what transpired in our lessons so that we can 'fix things' for next time :-) #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
02/05/2014 13:09 |
@PETsNet That sounds quite depressing #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
02/05/2014 13:09 |
I get the sinking feeling when there is just a lot of quiet and they leave looking tired or can't wait to get out the door. #eltchat |
| patrickelt |
02/05/2014 12:09 |
@HanaTicha Sometimes....:-) #ELTchat |
| HanaTicha |
02/05/2014 13:09 |
@Marisa_C Next time I try to avoid the cause, i.e. what preceded the undesirable feeling. #eltchat |
| teflgeek |
02/05/2014 12:09 |
I get it more when confronted by errant behaviour than concerns about lesson planning #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
02/05/2014 13:10 |
@HanaTicha Absolutely. After one sinking feeling lesson two students stayed to tell me how much they enjoyed my classes. #eltchat |
| SwanDOS |
02/05/2014 13:10 |
RT @Marisa_C: So looking at how to reflect and evaluate what transpired in our lessons so that we can 'fix things' for next time :-) #ELTch… |
| Marisa_C |
02/05/2014 14:10 |
@MarjorieRosenbe quiet and indifferent too - yes agree #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
02/05/2014 17:40 |
@Marisa_C @teflgeek When the effort goes in vain. #eltchat |
| teflgeek |
02/05/2014 12:10 |
lesson problems are more easily attributable and remedied. Behaviour problems? Not so much. #eltchat |
| patrickelt |
02/05/2014 12:10 |
@Marisa_C Maybe this is easier to reflect on than other classes as it is so clear that something went wrong #ELTchat |
| DanielaArghir |
02/05/2014 14:10 |
@HanaTicha @Marisa_C Can you always pinpoint the cause? #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
02/05/2014 13:11 |
@MarjorieRosenbe And vice versa. We think everything went well and we're wrong. It's so subjective, isn't it? #eltchat |
| SwanDOS |
02/05/2014 13:11 |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: I get the sinking feeling when there is just a lot of quiet and they leave looking tired or can't wait to get out the … |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
02/05/2014 13:11 |
@cherrymp @Marisa_C @teflgeek How exactly do you judge that? Sometimes they learn more than we think. #eltchat |
| teflgeek |
02/05/2014 12:11 |
@cherrymp @Marisa_C the more time and effort you put in, the more frustrating it is! Less is more. #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
02/05/2014 13:11 |
@DanielaArghir @Marisa_C Not always but usually yes, I can pinpoint the cause #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
02/05/2014 13:11 |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @cherrymp @Marisa_C @teflgeek How exactly do you judge that? Sometimes they learn more than we think. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
02/05/2014 14:11 |
For myself I have a 'troubleshooter' checklist in my head which I go thru - do u have one? #eltchat |
| Kryftina |
02/05/2014 14:12 |
@HanaTicha @Marisa_C Is it always easy though? How can we identify the cause with certainty? #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
02/05/2014 13:12 |
@OUPELTGlobal That is really important to consider. Sometimes we have to address 'the elephant in the room' before moving on. #eltchat |
| patrickelt |
02/05/2014 12:12 |
@DanielaArghir @HanaTicha @Marisa_C I think we often can with "sinking feeling" classes #ELTchat |
| HanaTicha |
02/05/2014 13:12 |
@Kryftina @Marisa_C As everything is so subjective in teaching, we can never do so - with certainty. What matters is that we try #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
02/05/2014 17:42 |
@patrickelt @Marisa_C But do teachers always reflect or give up? Sinking feeling is emotional. Reflection needs to be rational. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
02/05/2014 14:13 |
@Kryftina @HanaTicha Sometimes a simple question to the Ss may help- what did u like in today's lesson? What was a bit boring etc? #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
02/05/2014 12:13 |
@HanaTicha #eltchat Agree. sometimes students are affected by something outside the classroom |
| louisealix68 |
02/05/2014 13:13 |
skulking around with lunch in one hand following #eltchat…... |
| patrickelt |
02/05/2014 12:13 |
@DanielaArghir @HanaTicha @Marisa_C More problematic are those that seem to go well superficially #ELTchat |
| teflgeek |
02/05/2014 12:13 |
@Shaunwilden @MarjorieRosenbe @cherrymp @Marisa_C Is it just a question of successfully managing expectations? Yours & Theirs? #Eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
02/05/2014 13:13 |
RT @Marisa_C: @Kryftina @HanaTicha Sometimes a simple question to the Ss may help- what did u like in today's lesson? What was a bit boring… |
| AddaLitim |
02/05/2014 15:13 |
@teflgeek @cherrymp @Marisa_C Totally agree that less is more #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
02/05/2014 13:13 |
@teflgeek @MarjorieRosenbe @cherrymp @Marisa_C Yes, as Marisa just tweeted simply asking helps #eltchat |
| DanielaArghir |
02/05/2014 14:14 |
@Kryftina @HanaTicha @Marisa_C I don't think it's easy... #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
02/05/2014 17:44 |
@MarjorieRosenbe @Marisa_C @teflgeek Yes they do. But when we think we had prepared them for something and they fail. #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
02/05/2014 12:15 |
@Kryftina @HanaTicha @Marisa_C #eltchat what about asking students directly? Being open about how the day went? |
| Kryftina |
02/05/2014 14:15 |
@HanaTicha of course, it's just quite difficult at times. Asking Ss can be very helpful @Marisa_C #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
02/05/2014 13:15 |
@patrickelt @DanielaArghir @Marisa_C Yes, superficially and in the short run #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
02/05/2014 13:15 |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: @Kryftina @HanaTicha @Marisa_C #eltchat what about asking students directly? Being open about how the day went? |
| patrickelt |
02/05/2014 12:15 |
I think the key thing with these types of classes is loss of confidence among inexperienced teachers #ELTchat |
| AddaLitim |
02/05/2014 15:16 |
Hi everyone, I get that sinking feeling when my stds don;t do as well as expected in the practice tasks #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
02/05/2014 14:16 |
Questions is one way - a short personal note to the T an option #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
02/05/2014 17:46 |
I get a sinking feeling when I think I don't have the students with me anymore. #eltchat. When I think I can't take them with me anymore. |
| teflgeek |
02/05/2014 12:17 |
@patrickelt when you automatically blame yourself instead of reflecting more widely... #eltchat |
| teflgeek |
02/05/2014 12:17 |
@Marisa_C a colleague used a feedback box on the back of the door #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
02/05/2014 13:17 |
@Kryftina @Marisa_C On the other hand, what Ss like is not always what is good for them in terms of effective outcomes :-) #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
02/05/2014 14:18 |
What can go wrong in a lesson tho cannot be rocket science - topic - language focus - difficulty of text/task and personal probs #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
02/05/2014 17:48 |
@AddaLitim Yeah. That happens. Think expectations are one main cause for that 'sinking feeling'. #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
02/05/2014 12:18 |
@cherrymp #eltchat Yes, when you 'lose' them. hard to get them back |
| deannamascle |
02/05/2014 07:18 |
My students used 6-word-memoir posters to inspire our class discussion and writing about text http://t.co/pAYp1fnOHg #ELTchat #EDCHAT |
| DanielaArghir |
02/05/2014 14:18 |
@Marisa_C Better not that open, as you say. Students can be subjective too. ;-) Plus shy or cocky or... #eltchat |
| AddaLitim |
02/05/2014 15:19 |
@teflgeek @Marisa_C Great idea! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
02/05/2014 14:19 |
A letter of advice to the T how to make the lesson more engaging and motivating #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
02/05/2014 14:19 |
If not v confident abt this a letter to the textbook author how to make the book more interesting #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
02/05/2014 17:49 |
@teflgeek @Marisa_C Feedback box is a good idea. Liked. #eltchat. Esp if they can leave it anonymously. |
| AddaLitim |
02/05/2014 15:19 |
@Marisa_C Possibly, but face-to-face always better with me #eltchat |
| patrickelt |
02/05/2014 12:20 |
@Marisa_C Yes, agree. Think often those are key aspects. Perhaps add timing #ELTchat |
| Kryftina |
02/05/2014 14:20 |
@Marisa_C for YLs I use stickers (we have a kind of ''grade the lesson'' habit), but intermediate classes find answering qs boring #eltchat |
| teflgeek |
02/05/2014 12:20 |
@cherrymp @Marisa_C he would give out feedback slips and then leave the room, come back later to collect them. #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
02/05/2014 12:20 |
@Marisa_C #eltchat also seeing the relevance to sts learning goals. Lots of problems when this happens. |
| Kryftina |
02/05/2014 14:20 |
RT @Marisa_C: A letter of advice to the T how to make the lesson more engaging and motivating #eltchat |
| AlexandraKouk |
02/05/2014 14:21 |
@teflgeek @patrickelt agreed> sinking feeling ok when = reflection / not ok = self flagellation #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
02/05/2014 14:21 |
@OUPELTGlobal @teflgeek geat yes - so much u can say in 140 #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
02/05/2014 17:51 |
@DanielaArghir @Marisa_C Listened to a gp of Ts dis afternoon who said they got a 'nothing happens in our class' feedback via DOS. #eltchat |
| Innov8rEduc8r |
02/05/2014 23:21 |
#eltchat Hi all, late arrival, says he trying to stay awake (here in Oz) |
| cherrymp |
02/05/2014 17:52 |
@teflgeek @Marisa_C It really works when Ts could take the feedback chits later & discuss how well the chits helped him/her. #eltchat |
| Innov8rEduc8r |
02/05/2014 23:22 |
@cherrymp Would be interesting to unpack what 'happening' meant to these sts #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
02/05/2014 12:22 |
RT @AlexandraKouk: @teflgeek @patrickelt agreed> sinking feeling ok when = reflection / not ok = self flagellation #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
02/05/2014 14:23 |
As a St (of Turkish)on a negotiated syllabus course, we took 5' at end of lesson to tell T what we felt abt lesson & wanted #eltchat |
| teflgeek |
02/05/2014 12:23 |
Writing up lesson menu on the board helps focus the class on lesson goals - manage expectations and gives focus #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
02/05/2014 13:23 |
Obviously getting fbk etc is important but it doesn’t help avoid the slinking feeling does it? #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
02/05/2014 17:53 |
@OUPELTGlobal #eltchat Sometimes I let them be on their own and then do something different to get their attention back. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
02/05/2014 14:23 |
I was highly motivated when I saw my T respond to my comments in next lesson #eltchat |
| AlexandraKouk |
02/05/2014 14:23 |
So is it safe to say that Step 1 would be "Don't get too emotional about it"?" #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
02/05/2014 12:23 |
@AlexandraKouk @teflgeek @patrickelt #eltchat YES! must be objective with yourself |
| Shaunwilden |
02/05/2014 13:24 |
@AlexandraKouk Erm ‘too’ maybe but I think emotion is needed #eltchat |
| cherrymp |
02/05/2014 17:54 |
@Innov8rEduc8r Right! The Ts were lost when I met and were listing all that they do in the class which they Ss didn't see. #eltchat |
| AddaLitim |
02/05/2014 15:24 |
@Shaunwilden Exactly - but it may help prevent it #eltchat |
| AlexandraKouk |
02/05/2014 14:24 |
@Shaunwilden agreed! #eltchat |
| Innov8rEduc8r |
02/05/2014 23:25 |
@Marisa_C Knowing that your views count is powerful within a classroom. Shows sts that they can impact what's going on. Agency. #eltchat |
| patrickelt |
02/05/2014 12:25 |
@Shaunwilden @AlexandraKouk I suppose we need to have a sense of proportion - easier when experienced ....#ELTchat |
| lordlumey |
02/05/2014 12:25 |
@Shaunwilden @AlexandraKouk I agree, I think a certain amount of it shows you actually care. #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
02/05/2014 12:25 |
@Shaunwilden #eltchat No, but it's what you do as a result of the sinking feeling that counts |
| cherrymp |
02/05/2014 17:56 |
#eltchat Have to leave - a meeting now. Happy that I could make it. |
| Shaunwilden |
02/05/2014 13:26 |
@lordlumey @AlexandraKouk Yes, thats what I thought as well #eltchat |
| patrickelt |
02/05/2014 12:26 |
@Shaunwilden @AlexandraKouk .as we know that we can teach well but sometimes don't. Harder when inexperienced - role for mentors #ELTchat |
| DanielaArghir |
02/05/2014 14:26 |
@Shaunwilden Few well-chosen words of praise on the note 2 the T abt smtg that student DID find OK might help avoid part of it... #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
02/05/2014 13:27 |
@HanaTicha Moaning about a task is usually a good sign for me. #eltchat |
| web20education |
02/05/2014 14:27 |
My #startup #curation portofolio now has 200 #edtools and #ipad #edapps to #mlearning http://t.co/yUole3TUMN #edchat #cpchat #DLDay #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
02/05/2014 13:27 |
@OUPELTGlobal True. Dealing with the SF is a good topic for a CPD session in a school #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
02/05/2014 14:27 |
on CELTA and DELTA courses Ts are usually give a No of observation checklists - use on yourself #eltchat |
| Kryftina |
02/05/2014 14:27 |
@Shaunwilden no, it doesn't, unless you can make sth out of it #eltchat |
| AlexandraKouk |
02/05/2014 14:27 |
How important is it to be able to analyse what happened in class rationally and as objectively as possible? #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
02/05/2014 12:27 |
@Innov8rEduc8r @cherrymp #eltchat agree. what were they expecting? could be a cultural diff in expectation |
| HanaTicha |
02/05/2014 13:28 |
@MarjorieRosenbe True. Not necessary to change the task, though, but the way you approach it #eltchat |
| Innov8rEduc8r |
02/05/2014 23:28 |
#eltchat I suggest to sts that they phrase feedback in terms of suggestions - in terms of action that I could take |
| teflskeptic |
02/05/2014 12:28 |
Don't be too hard on yourself. Accept that not every lesson will be fantastic. #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
02/05/2014 13:28 |
@Shaunwilden @teflgeek @cherrymp @Marisa_C agree. Showing empathy can make all the difference. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
02/05/2014 13:28 |
@lordlumey While I agree, there is a certain level of depression that such an attitude might cause #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
02/05/2014 14:28 |
RT @teflskeptic: Don't be too hard on yourself. Accept that not every lesson will be fantastic. #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
02/05/2014 12:28 |
@MarjorieRosenbe @HanaTicha #eltchat good sign that the task is good or that the task is not right? |
| Innov8rEduc8r |
02/05/2014 23:29 |
#eltchat Many a lesson that goes awry - leads to big shifts in how I approach future ones. |
| Marisa_C |
02/05/2014 14:29 |
@teflskeptic Making mistakes is my middle name :-) #eltchat I have learnt to live with that |
| HanaTicha |
02/05/2014 13:29 |
@teflskeptic I had a great mentor who said: If one in 3 lessons is great or memorable then it's fine #eltchat I liked the rule |
| PETsNet |
02/05/2014 07:29 |
@patrickelt the same thing happens with experienced teachers. How to avoid it? think it depends on our the purposes of lessons #eltchat |
| AddaLitim |
02/05/2014 15:30 |
@HanaTicha @teflskeptic I'm adopting it! Thanks @HanaTicha #eltchat |
| louisealix68 |
02/05/2014 13:30 |
always ask my ST to reflect using STARR method 2 b able 2 take step back from emotions. Helps analyse what went well/not so well. #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
02/05/2014 13:30 |
@cherrymp @Marisa_C @teflgeek interesting to find out why.#eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
02/05/2014 14:30 |
Also a modus vivendi that needs to be introduced early on as part of the way the class works #eltchat not sprung suddenly when boohoo... |
| teflgeek |
02/05/2014 12:30 |
@louisealix68 STARR? #eltchat |
| Innov8rEduc8r |
02/05/2014 23:30 |
@Marisa_C That's when we have the opportunity to learn - when mistakes happen. #eltchat |
| patrickelt |
02/05/2014 12:31 |
@PETsNet Yes but experienced teachers have a sense of proportion and confidence will not be knocked so next lesson should be okay #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
02/05/2014 13:31 |
RT @Marisa_C: Also a modus vivendi that needs to be introduced early on as part of the way the class works #eltchat not sprung suddenly wh… |
| louisealix68 |
02/05/2014 13:31 |
@teflgeek Situation Task Action Result #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
02/05/2014 14:31 |
RT @PolitisMichelle: @Marisa_C And they were very useful #eltchat (observation checklists) |
| HanaTicha |
02/05/2014 13:31 |
@AddaLitim @teflskeptic So in other words, he tried to say that not every lesson will go well, which is realistic #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
02/05/2014 13:31 |
@OUPELTGlobal @Kryftina @HanaTicha @Marisa_C ngood idea. When they feel comfortable enough to answer honestly that's a huge help. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
02/05/2014 14:31 |
@PolitisMichelle remember the #eltchat hashtag :-) |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
02/05/2014 13:32 |
@Marisa_C very brave! #eltchat |
| Innov8rEduc8r |
02/05/2014 23:32 |
#eltchat Recently taken with the idea of 'iteration' - the idea of the program as a work in progress - constantly being tweaked |
| Shaunwilden |
02/05/2014 13:32 |
RT @HanaTicha: @AddaLitim @teflskeptic So in other words, he tried to say that not every lesson will go well, which is realistic #eltchat |
| AddaLitim |
02/05/2014 15:33 |
@Marisa_C Things generally tend to go sour with assessments. All's well until results come out #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
02/05/2014 14:33 |
On another level, I think that Ts often take things to heart too much - mistakes happen & we think & learn - sm Ts feel soobad!!! #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
02/05/2014 13:33 |
@MarjorieRosenbe @OUPELTGlobal @Kryftina @Marisa_C True. You need to build a really good relationship if you want to ask your Ss #eltchat |
| StudioAcademic |
02/05/2014 12:33 |
Observations can be a positive experience & lift the spirits. We often forget what our strengths are & it's healthy to be reminded! #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
02/05/2014 13:33 |
@Innov8rEduc8r and the work in progress is the sts? the lesson? #eltchat |
| AlexandraKouk |
02/05/2014 14:34 |
Somegreat suggestions here: http://t.co/FFMqOZjPQ1 and here: http://t.co/pY9SxZSNpe #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
02/05/2014 13:34 |
@HanaTicha @Shaunwilden @AddaLitim @teflskeptic Exactly. And something can work perfectly in one group and flop in another. #eltchat |
| teflgeek |
02/05/2014 12:34 |
@Shaunwilden @Innov8rEduc8r Both, no? #eltchat Constantly tweaking the most effective ways to help your learners be effective! |
| AddaLitim |
02/05/2014 15:35 |
@HanaTicha @teflskeptic Absolutely #eltchat - I like the ratio |
| PolitisMichelle |
02/05/2014 12:35 |
@Marisa_C sorry, still getting the hang of it. #eltchat |
| louisealix68 |
02/05/2014 13:35 |
@teflgeek Incidentally : http://t.co/aXNfkgfZbw #eltchat |
| Innov8rEduc8r |
02/05/2014 23:35 |
@Shaunwilden the work in progress - is the curriculum being moulded according to what works/doesnt. Tho sts are too - W.I.P. #eltchat |
| Kryftina |
02/05/2014 14:35 |
@HanaTicha @MarjorieRosenbe @OUPELTGlobal @Marisa_C absolutely agree #eltchat a good relationship with Ss is key, but can take time to build |
| Kryftina |
02/05/2014 14:35 |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @HanaTicha @Shaunwilden @AddaLitim @teflskeptic Exactly. And something can work perfectly in one group and flop in ano… |
| Shaunwilden |
02/05/2014 13:35 |
@teflgeek @Innov8rEduc8r yes i’d see it as both well, three things, adding the teacher to that #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
02/05/2014 13:36 |
RT @Innov8rEduc8r: @Shaunwilden the work in progress - is the curriculum being moulded according to what works/doesnt. Tho sts are too - W.… |
| Marisa_C |
02/05/2014 14:36 |
@teflgeek yes we are lifelong tweakers!! #eltchat :-D |
| PETsNet |
02/05/2014 07:36 |
@cherrymp Fortunately, new students bring to class different and challenging expectations that encourage us to do our best #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
02/05/2014 13:36 |
So, you need a good mentor in the first place who tells you what's realistic and what's not. Then you won't have that sinking f. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
02/05/2014 13:36 |
@Marisa_C @teflgeek What do you do? Oh I am lifelong tweaker - brilliant :-) #eltchat |
| Innov8rEduc8r |
02/05/2014 23:36 |
@Shaunwilden #eltchat Most definitely I (as a tchr) am a constant work-in-progress, I've lost count of the iteration version. |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
02/05/2014 13:37 |
Just asked pupils. Bad lesson is when teacher is strict and lacks humor or can't control class. #eltchat |
| teflgeek |
02/05/2014 12:37 |
@Shaunwilden @Innov8rEduc8r that's quite a good analogy for CPD... the iterative teacher #eltchat #isenseablogpost |
| teflgeek |
02/05/2014 12:37 |
@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C don't you get arrested for that kind of thing? #eltchat |
| DanielaArghir |
02/05/2014 14:38 |
@HanaTicha The mentor can't go to your class and do your lesson... #eltchat |
| Innov8rEduc8r |
02/05/2014 23:38 |
Love it! RT @teflgeek: @Shaunwilden @Innov8rEduc8r that's quite a good analogy for CPD... the iterative teacher #eltchat #isenseablogpost |
| Marisa_C |
02/05/2014 14:38 |
@teflgeek @Shaunwilden @Innov8rEduc8r basis of class trialling isnt' it #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
02/05/2014 13:38 |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: Bad lesson is when teacher is strict and lacks humor or can't control class. #eltchat or when there's too much control |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
02/05/2014 13:38 |
Siiting in tram fiiled with schoolkids as explanation for last tweet. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
02/05/2014 14:38 |
@teflgeek @Shaunwilden not on this plot :-) #eltchat |
| Kryftina |
02/05/2014 14:38 |
@HanaTicha yes, to begin with - should reflect on your personal experiences as you go along #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
02/05/2014 13:39 |
@Marisa_C @teflgeek @Innov8rEduc8r Sorry u need to sign up for the beta me, I’m only in alpha version there maybe bugs #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
02/05/2014 13:39 |
@HanaTicha they didn't mention that but could be. #eltchat |
| Innov8rEduc8r |
02/05/2014 23:39 |
@MarjorieRosenbe Looking forward to the wonderfully weird and whacky tweets...Go wild. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
02/05/2014 14:39 |
@Shaunwilden @teflgeek @Innov8rEduc8r Lol - u in beta still? #eltchat |
| patrickelt |
02/05/2014 12:40 |
@MarjorieRosenbe Interesting - perhaps not what we would see as bad teaching - language clarity, teaching of useful skills etc #ELTchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
02/05/2014 13:40 |
@Innov8rEduc8r absolutely. Otherwise boring. #eltchat |
| patrickelt |
02/05/2014 12:40 |
@MarjorieRosenbe Think student perceptions can be useful but not the final word #ELTchat |
| anciana |
02/05/2014 07:41 |
Reflecting on lesson through blogging is good practice, although this won't help you in the "sinking feeling" moment. #eltchat |
| Innov8rEduc8r |
02/05/2014 23:41 |
@Shaunwilden Bugs! They're the best parts, that's where the innovation comes in, trying to conquer them. Bring on the bugs. #eltchat |
| teflgeek |
02/05/2014 12:41 |
@Marisa_C @Shaunwilden @Innov8rEduc8r I would guess at version Shaun3.8 by now... #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
02/05/2014 13:41 |
RT @Innov8rEduc8r: @Shaunwilden Bugs! They're the best parts, that's where the innovation comes in, trying to conquer them. Bring on the bu… |
| PETsNet |
02/05/2014 07:41 |
@Marisa_C Lessons could be engaging an motivating, but not related to Ss needs and expectations, future life. #eltchat |
| hmendoza716 |
02/05/2014 14:41 |
RT @Marisa_C: As a St (of Turkish)on a negotiated syllabus course, we took 5' at end of lesson to tell T what we felt abt lesson & want… |
| HanaTicha |
02/05/2014 13:41 |
RT @DanielaArghir: @HanaTicha The mentor can't go to your class and do your lesson #eltchat I meant before you start teaching on your own |
| SueAnnan |
02/05/2014 12:41 |
Hi everyone. #eltchat |
| Innov8rEduc8r |
02/05/2014 23:42 |
No. I don't believe you..RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @Innov8rEduc8r absolutely. Otherwise boring. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
02/05/2014 14:43 |
@victorhugor Too true - Ss can look very happy but really not have learnt anythign of value to them #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
02/05/2014 13:43 |
Kids just said strict with humor is fine. Guess then no sinking feeling. #eltchat |
| teflgeek |
02/05/2014 12:43 |
Action Research cycle a key skill for the iterative teacher #eltchat |
| Kryftina |
02/05/2014 14:43 |
btw #eltchat this ''swan song'' got me sinking a bit http://t.co/2tzCeprGbm |
| Shaunwilden |
02/05/2014 13:43 |
RT @teflgeek: Action Research cycle a key skill for the iterative teacher #eltchat |
| Innov8rEduc8r |
02/05/2014 23:43 |
We'll have to work out our Version system. They always confuse me. RT @teflgeek: I would guess at version Shaun3.8 by now... #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
02/05/2014 14:43 |
@victorhugor Which makes some subjective evaluation important - Ss can also be happy with rubbish lessons cos love T :-) #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
02/05/2014 13:44 |
@victorhugor @Marisa_C have experienced this at the uni and then try to adapt or change. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
02/05/2014 14:44 |
RT @teflgeek: Action Research cycle a key skill for the iterative teacher #eltchat |
| AddaLitim |
02/05/2014 15:44 |
@Marisa_C I share the responsibility with Ss by giving them choices - big difference in feedback #eltchat |
| teflgeek |
02/05/2014 12:44 |
@Kryftina yes, but he was a frustrated novelist masquerading as a teacher. Professionalism and dedication are also important here #eltchat |
| PETsNet |
02/05/2014 07:44 |
@teflgeek the same with a well descriptive lesson plan that considered extra activities when sinking feeling is coming #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
02/05/2014 12:45 |
@MarjorieRosenbe #eltchat fair strictness is desirable. My daughter complains about Ts who aren't strict. But need fairness and humour |
| SueAnnan |
02/05/2014 12:45 |
@MarjorieRosenbe adapting is good, but not if it is a knee jerk reaction #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
02/05/2014 14:45 |
@victorhugor But this is topic for a completely different #ELTchat "I think I am a great T; is this a hallucination?" |
| Innov8rEduc8r |
02/05/2014 23:46 |
@MarjorieRosenbe Many of my sts were fine with my whacky and adventurous ways - as long as I did some Traditional tchg with them #eltchat |
| AlexandraKouk |
02/05/2014 14:46 |
RT @Marisa_C: @victorhugor But this is topic for a completely different #ELTchat "I think I am a great T; is this a hallucination?" |
| OUPELTGlobal |
02/05/2014 12:46 |
@MarjorieRosenbe #eltchat and sts need to know T cares, too. |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
02/05/2014 13:46 |
@SueAnnan I do it after some reflwction or gather ideas from sts. #eltchat |
| AllySotton |
02/05/2014 09:46 |
RT @Marisa_C: On another level, I think that Ts often take things to heart too much - mistakes happen & we think & learn - sm Ts feel sooba… |
| PETsNet |
02/05/2014 07:46 |
@Marisa_C Most teachers don't like to leave comments. Could it be because of sinking feeling? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
02/05/2014 13:46 |
@NewbieCELTA @OUPELTGlobal Definitely a good idea, preferably someone who can catch you #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
02/05/2014 13:46 |
@OUPELTGlobal @MarjorieRosenbe Exactly. That's what my Ss say as well. They don't like Ts who allow them to make disruptive noise #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
02/05/2014 12:47 |
@MarjorieRosenbe I know you do. But lots of Ts don't #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
02/05/2014 13:47 |
@Marisa_C I think rapport is at top of the list and then going on from there. #eltchat |
| Nouella89 |
02/05/2014 14:47 |
When you feel upset about something you should make it work in your favour #eltchat |
| teflgeek |
02/05/2014 12:47 |
@Kryftina try this article: http://t.co/x6NFW1DXTu #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
02/05/2014 14:47 |
@MarjorieRosenbe Agree - rapport can cover a lot of serious flaws as well #eltchat but there your are |
| HanaTicha |
02/05/2014 13:48 |
RT @Nouella89: When you feel upset about something you should make it work in your favour #eltchat |
| patrickelt |
02/05/2014 12:48 |
@Marisa_C @victorhugor :-) #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
02/05/2014 14:48 |
@Nouella89 hey there you are too :-) cool!! #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
02/05/2014 13:48 |
@Nouella89 True but you need to know how to do it #eltchat |
| patrickelt |
02/05/2014 12:48 |
@Marisa_C @victorhugor Would really like to attend this one #ELTchat |
| PETsNet |
02/05/2014 07:49 |
@AlexandraKouk Totally agreed. Feelings take us to subjective decision making, maybe unfair. to be objective is to be authentic #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
02/05/2014 14:49 |
@patrickelt @victorhugor lol somebody suggest it please!!! #eltchat |
| AlexandraKouk |
02/05/2014 14:49 |
RT @Nouella89: When you feel upset about something you should make it work in your favour #eltchat Hi Nouella! |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
02/05/2014 13:49 |
@Nouella89 @HanaTicha I have occasionally told sts how theyade me feel. Cam be tricky but sometimes does the trick. #eltchat |
| Kryftina |
02/05/2014 14:50 |
@teflgeek thank you, much needed #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
02/05/2014 14:50 |
@MarjorieRosenbe @Nouella89 @HanaTicha yes agree - can be tricky #eltchat |
| lordlumey |
02/05/2014 12:51 |
@HanaTicha @OUPELTGlobal @MarjorieRosenbe I agree. Children appreciate learning in a safe environment. You need some strictness. #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
02/05/2014 13:51 |
@MarjorieRosenbe @Nouella89 This can be tricky. It workds but I don't feel good when I say it. It's usually when I feel cornered #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
02/05/2014 13:51 |
@Marisa_C @Nouella89 @HanaTicha depends on group and how I feel #eltchat |
| teflgeek |
02/05/2014 12:52 |
@MarjorieRosenbe @Nouella89 @HanaTicha Sometimes they need to know where the ultimate boundaries lie... #eltchat |
| Innov8rEduc8r |
02/05/2014 23:52 |
Agree. It humanises us MT @MarjorieRosenbe: I have occasionally told sts how theyade me feel. Can be tricky ...#eltchat |
| PolitisMichelle |
02/05/2014 12:52 |
@Shaunwilden very true, and you have to be open minded if advice is given instead of a sympathetic ear:)#eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
02/05/2014 14:52 |
Small point: In local scene Ss not v expressive; if asked they say 'it was ok' in a gloomy sort of way. Smtms Ss not bored ...cont #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
02/05/2014 13:53 |
@PolitisMichelle Agreed, very important to be open minded if you want to avoid repeated sinking feelings #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
02/05/2014 14:53 |
Cont. ... but LOOK bored cos body lang different or not self-aware #eltchat |
| PETsNet |
02/05/2014 07:53 |
@Marisa_C Teachers personalities, introverts and extroverts, play crusial roles when delivering lessons #eltchat |
| Innov8rEduc8r |
02/05/2014 23:54 |
#eltchat Being genuine, sincere, and ok with 'warts n all' - builds a community over time |
| Marisa_C |
02/05/2014 14:55 |
..so really really doesn't hurt to ask Ss at all - or tell them "you looked bored' was it my lesson? #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
02/05/2014 13:55 |
Re sinking f: good to attend workshops to see the world from the other side of the barricade. I may look bored but I'm just tired. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
02/05/2014 13:55 |
@Marisa_C Well when they say yes it does hurt a little :-) #eltchat |
| DJFTLL |
02/05/2014 08:55 |
Evening collection of curated edu-resources at http://t.co/9ezWUjSovG#stemchat #eltchat #ellchat #caedchat #iaedchat #edchatma #nyedchat |
| AlexandraKouk |
02/05/2014 14:55 |
So, any tips to deal with sinking f.? #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
02/05/2014 13:56 |
Just arrived at lesson. Have to sign off. Great chat as usual. #eltchat |
| teflgeek |
02/05/2014 12:56 |
@Marisa_C articulating emotions helps learners label them and they will correct you if they think you're wrong #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
02/05/2014 14:56 |
Anyways - before you flap your twitter wings and disappear - can I pls ask for a volunteer to write up SUMMARY?? #eltchat |
| Innov8rEduc8r |
02/05/2014 23:56 |
#eltchat Can be tricky reading facial expressions especially with cultural variations |
| Shaunwilden |
02/05/2014 13:56 |
RT @Marisa_C: Anyways - before you flap your twitter wings and disappear - can I pls ask for a volunteer to write up SUMMARY?? #eltchat |
| ELTchat |
02/05/2014 13:56 |
RT @Marisa_C: Anyways - before you flap your twitter wings and disappear - can I pls ask for a volunteer to write up SUMMARY?? #eltchat |
| patrickelt |
02/05/2014 12:56 |
@HanaTicha I think I sometimes look bored when I am thinking #ELTchat |
| teflerinha |
02/05/2014 12:56 |
#eltchat Arrgh! Missed a great chat, again. Work will slow down (a bit) soon, and I'll be back #terminator |
| PETsNet |
02/05/2014 07:57 |
@anciana Defenitely. The thing is how to avoid sinking feeling because of missing of responses or interest from some teachers #eltchat |
| Innov8rEduc8r |
02/05/2014 23:57 |
He he... love it! RT @patrickelt: @HanaTicha I think I sometimes look bored when I am thinking #ELTchat |
| Kryftina |
02/05/2014 14:57 |
@Marisa_C true, but we shouldn't hide feelings I think - sincerity and respect are give & take #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
02/05/2014 14:57 |
RT @patrickelt: @HanaTicha I think I sometimes look bored when I am thinking #ELTchat > u re lucky ppl think i'm angry :-D |
| HanaTicha |
02/05/2014 13:58 |
@patrickelt So a class or bored-looking kids can be a good sign in the end :-D #eltchat |
| PETsNet |
02/05/2014 07:58 |
@anciana Defenitely. The thing is how to avoid sinking feeling because of missing of responses or interest from some teachers. #eltchat |
| Innov8rEduc8r |
02/05/2014 23:58 |
#eltchat What will it take to move from the sinking feeling? Often ask myself -what do I get out of this sinking feeling? What's the payoff? |
| Marisa_C |
02/05/2014 14:58 |
SUMMARY PLEASE? #eltchat |
| anciana |
02/05/2014 07:58 |
When is next chat? #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
02/05/2014 13:58 |
Don’t forget we need a summary writer…...#eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
02/05/2014 13:59 |
Next #eltchat will be 21.00 GMT on the 12th Feb |
| HanaTicha |
02/05/2014 14:00 |
@Innov8rEduc8r Sometimes it's just NOT having that sinking feeling. It can be the point of comparison #eltchat |
| patrickelt |
02/05/2014 13:00 |
@Marisa_C @HanaTicha How students look is perhaps not that revealing. I find "my sinking feelings" come from my own thoughts #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
02/05/2014 15:00 |
Translating feelings into action tho is sth that needs discussion- NOT touched on how to do it - making assumptions all trained Ts #eltchat |
| NewbieCELTA |
02/05/2014 13:00 |
i've got 'sinking feeling' now ;) --> for 20 mins here, forgetting hashtag! - AND i'm the person who suggested the topic. :P #ELTchat ooops! |
| Innov8rEduc8r |
02/06/2014 00:00 |
#eltchat Night night from Australia. Version 7567892.5 Greg is off to bed. If I can wind down that is. |
| Marisa_C |
02/05/2014 15:00 |
@patrickelt @HanaTicha can be both ways #eltchat |
| Innov8rEduc8r |
02/06/2014 00:01 |
@HanaTicha Most definitely the comparison can be key.#eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
02/05/2014 14:01 |
@patrickelt @Marisa_C Exactly. Because feeling is just a feeling after all. It often has not external source. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
02/05/2014 14:01 |
Thanks for joining in today’s #eltchat, transcript will be available shortly |
| Kryftina |
02/05/2014 15:02 |
touched on lots of aspects today #eltchat - as I love wikis, I leave you with this http://t.co/2CwvVHnLOD |
| NewbieCELTA |
02/05/2014 13:02 |
so, got nifty little "chat" going on with myself (oops) over on my wall to show for it. well well..so much good sharing! #myfirst #ELTchat |
| AddaLitim |
02/05/2014 16:03 |
@Shaunwilden Thanks everyone. Back to my placement testing by the Red Sea! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
02/05/2014 15:04 |
@NewbieCELTA Since we don't have a volunteer summary writer - can we ask you to do the summary please? #ELTchat |
| AddaLitim |
02/05/2014 16:04 |
RT @Kryftina: touched on lots of aspects today #eltchat - as I love wikis, I leave you with this http://t.co/2CwvVHnLOD |
| HanaTicha |
02/05/2014 14:04 |
I'm glad I could take part today (it's a holiday over here). Lovely chat as usual. Looking forward to next Wednesday! #eltchat |
| AddaLitim |
02/05/2014 16:05 |
@Kryftina Thanks for that Christina #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
02/05/2014 15:05 |
@HanaTicha Great to have you here Hana have a great break #eltchat |
| AddaLitim |
02/05/2014 16:07 |
@Marisa_C I missed the first 10 mins or so - can I still write the summary Marisa? #eltchat |
| AllySotton |
02/05/2014 10:09 |
@Marisa_C Agree! why wonder if you can ask! Doubt would be difficult to bear for me. #eltchat |
| NewbieCELTA |
02/05/2014 13:09 |
@Marisa_C I see Adda has also volunteered. either way :) #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
02/05/2014 15:11 |
@AddaLitim Yes great! @Shaunwilden will send transcript in a bit - could also invite @NewbieCELTA to collaborate on a google.doc #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
02/05/2014 15:12 |
@AddaLitim will leave it up to you #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
02/05/2014 15:18 |
Thanks to all for joining #eltchat today - off to do some more work and looking forward to another great chat next week :-) |
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