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Pre-packaged, marketable language learning, and the concept of schools

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Here's the transcript of #eltchat from 22.01.2014 on the topic of  pre-packaged, marketable language learning, and the concept of schools and teachers as ‘service providers’ delivering information.

 

username local date status
Marisa_C 1/22/2014 2:01:08 PM Hi everyone and welcome to #ELTchat - the first one of 2014 - roll call please? Who is hear and ready to chat? Use #ELTchat hashtag!
Innov8rEduc8r 1/22/2014 11:01:48 PM #eltchat Greg from Melb Australia
teacherphili 1/22/2014 12:02:09 PM Here, miss! Phil in UK.  #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 1/22/2014 1:02:50 PM Here boss #eltchat
BobK99 1/22/2014 12:03:22 PM RT @BobK99: @Marisa_C Me too, in UK. #eltchat
tefladventures 1/22/2014 7:03:26 PM Aimee in Vietnam here! #ELTChat
patrickelt 1/22/2014 12:04:08 PM @Marisa_C here for a short time #eltchat
Marisa_C 1/22/2014 2:04:10 PM @teacherphili @Innov8rEduc8r @Shaunwilden @BobK99 @tefladventures @victorhugor Great! Welcome all & HNY!!! #eltchat
Marisa_C 1/22/2014 2:05:18 PM Hey Patrick #ELtchat @patrickelt
teacherphili 1/22/2014 12:05:32 PM Hi there, @patrikelt @tefladventures Are you both new to #ELTchat?
Marisa_C 1/22/2014 2:06:07 PM I have never used pre-packed learning mats - has anyone had this experience? What do we mean by this - am here to learn :-) #eltchat
patrickelt 1/22/2014 12:07:17 PM @Marisa_C I was not entirely clear what was meant #eltchat
harrisonmike 1/22/2014 12:07:25 PM #eltchat dipping in and out from London here // ESOL teacher and materials writer in SE London
teacherphili 1/22/2014 12:07:31 PM @Marisa_C me 2. Not had direct experience of this so-called 'pearsonisation' as @harrisonmike said earlier.Keen to contribute, tho #ELTchat
ELTchat 1/22/2014 1:07:36 PM @tefladventures @teacherphili Great just remember to use my hashtag :-) #eltchat
Innov8rEduc8r 1/22/2014 11:07:43 PM #eltchat Are we talking about textbooks?
harrisonmike 1/22/2014 12:07:51 PM RT @teacherphili: @Marisa_C me 2. Not had direct experience of this so-called 'pearsonisation' as @harrisonmike said earlier.Keen to contri…
Shaunwilden 1/22/2014 1:07:52 PM Not auspicious 1st #eltchat of the year starts and my internet goes
BobK99 1/22/2014 12:08:06 PM RT @Marisa_C: I have never used pre-packed learning mats - ...#eltchat > Fact is, I've no idea what they are :)
teacherphili 1/22/2014 12:08:24 PM @Shaunwilden damn internet thingy.  so fickle at times. ;-) #ELTchat
Marisa_C 1/22/2014 2:08:27 PM @harrisonmike Welcome Mike - like ur new look #ELtchat
Mashfaqksa 1/22/2014 12:08:51 PM @ELTchat hi like this v need to write#eltchat
harrisonmike 1/22/2014 12:09:40 PM 1/2 definition attempt: pre-packaged, marketable language 'learning' materials - an end test, course books, and institutions #eltchat
teacherphili 1/22/2014 12:09:44 PM @Marisa_C Does it mean generic, mass-produced materials?  #ELTchat
Marisa_C 1/22/2014 2:09:56 PM I suppose you could call prepackaged any mat Ts have to use obligatorily in rote fashion - even from a CB - by lesson and by hr #ELTchat
tefladventures 1/22/2014 7:10:05 PM @Marisa_C A lot of schools in Vietnam provide materials (Worksheet, everything) that teachers are required to use. Is this it? #ELTchat
zshanbatyrova 1/22/2014 12:10:16 PM RT @ShellTerrell: via @yearinthelifeof How to invigilate a language exam without going crazy http://t.co/Sg1taSsQnM #eltchat #esl
harrisonmike 1/22/2014 12:10:26 PM 2/2 #eltchat …all pointng toward the same thing. EG a language test, books and schools all owned by same body
Mashfaqksa 1/22/2014 12:10:33 PM @ELTchat whats the topic guys #ELTchat
Marisa_C 1/22/2014 2:10:52 PM @victorhugor You are moderating already dear Hugo - I can use a hand Shaun 's connection seems to have gone :-) #ELTchat
BobK99 1/22/2014 12:11:08 PM RT @tefladventures: @Marisa_C ... (Worksheet, everything) that teachers are required to use. Is this it? #ELTchat > Sounds like it.
Innov8rEduc8r 1/22/2014 11:11:11 PM #eltchat Yes I've worked in places that mandated each class have a text book. Wasn't a fan and focused more on authentic lang needs of sts.
patrickelt 1/22/2014 12:11:23 PM @Marisa_C that was what I had guessed.  Are there problems if they are so inflexible?#ELTchat
Marisa_C 1/22/2014 2:11:44 PM @tefladventures Yes - it could be print or online pre-prepared lessons that Ts have to deliver in sync #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 1/22/2014 1:12:20 PM Not sure how the definition is different from a school using a course book package #eltchat
Marisa_C 1/22/2014 2:12:47 PM @patrickelt In my first job as a teacher trainer I had to provide pre-packed lesson plans for all Ts - these Ts did not develop! #ELTchat
teacherphili 1/22/2014 12:13:05 PM @Shaunwilden @harrisonmike is it when the whole thing is tied up by the school.  They produce everything and nothing is outsourced? #ELTchat
Marisa_C 1/22/2014 2:13:10 PM @Shaunwilden what we have already said yes CB same #ELtchat
harrisonmike 1/22/2014 12:13:27 PM #eltchat - any material that says sth like 'in this lesson, sts will have done x, y, & z' & this is the reason for the lesson/course?
Mashfaqksa 1/22/2014 12:13:27 PM @Marisa_C sorry hi 4rm ksa #ELTchat
patrickelt 1/22/2014 12:13:42 PM @Marisa_C yes.  We need to be more than technicians.#ELTchat
Shaunwilden 1/22/2014 1:13:48 PM @Marisa_C Sorry didn’t meant to repeat #ELtchat
NikkiFortova 1/22/2014 1:14:11 PM Hello all, I'm hoping to follow chat a little bit this afternoon from snowy Brno in the Czech Republic. #eltchat
BobK99 1/22/2014 12:14:14 PM @Marisa_C @tefladventures Tandadized mats and activities  #eltchat - Sounds like I got out just in time!
Marisa_C 1/22/2014 2:14:29 PM As a young TT it took me time to convince my boss that this was not a good idea #eltchat but to be honest the Ss did not suffer undue pains
harrisonmike 1/22/2014 12:14:29 PM @teacherphili @shaunwilden any course book is 'pre-packaged' isn't it? i think the big danger is when one body owns it all #eltchat
tefladventures 1/22/2014 7:14:39 PM #ELTchat My school uses these. I find it helpful for the first year teachers, and a hindrance for those with experience.
Innov8rEduc8r 1/22/2014 11:14:44 PM @Marisa_C #eltchat @patrickelt I think that you can get creative tho even if pre-set materials
Mashfaqksa 1/22/2014 12:14:45 PM Whats the topic guys ☺ #eltchat
Shaunwilden 1/22/2014 1:15:11 PM @Mashfaqksa pre-packaged, marketable language learning #eltchat
teacherphili 1/22/2014 12:15:30 PM @harrisonmike was going to do a bit of research on 'pearsonisation' but forgot to.  Is that a good example and what do they do? #eltchat
BobK99 1/22/2014 12:15:33 PM STANDARDIZED #eltchat
harrisonmike 1/22/2014 12:15:55 PM I find schools that sell their courses w/ a book a bit strange - sts arrive at 1 lvl, then move after a week - new lvl so new book! #eltchat
Innov8rEduc8r 1/22/2014 11:16:13 PM #eltchat Yes for newly trained teachers it can give a framework but I'd certainly be encouraging their developing their teaching personality
harrisonmike 1/22/2014 12:16:17 PM #eltchat such a waste of money and paper resources
Marisa_C 1/22/2014 2:16:19 PM There is a big school chain here - EUROGNOSI - and they demand that all Ts in all school branches be on the same page same day! #eltchat
harrisonmike 1/22/2014 12:17:07 PM @teacherphili I don't know the specifics myself, @LukeMeddings spoke eloquently against it at @TesolFr last Nov #eltchat
Marisa_C 1/22/2014 2:17:08 PM @Innov8rEduc8r fully agree - pre-fab mats can be a support but don't allow for teacher development #ELTchat
Innov8rEduc8r 1/22/2014 11:17:21 PM Ugh. How horrid @Marisa_C RT @Marisa_C: they demand that all Ts in all school branches be on the same page same day! #eltchat
patrickelt 1/22/2014 12:17:29 PM RT @Marisa_C: There is a big school chain here - EUROGNOSI - and they demand that all Ts in all school branches be on the same page same da…
Shaunwilden 1/22/2014 1:17:29 PM @Marisa_C Well easy to keep up with whats going on I guess :-) #eltchat
teacherphili 1/22/2014 12:17:51 PM My first paid teaching job was in a S.Korean hagwon business chain. They produced almost everything.  It was a business 1st, #ELTchat
patrickelt 1/22/2014 12:17:56 PM @Marisa_C How interesting. #ELTchat
nroberts88 1/22/2014 12:18:13 PM @Marisa_C sounds Orwellian! #eltchat
Innov8rEduc8r 1/22/2014 11:18:15 PM #eltchat Tho I suppose when you seek to limit/constrain, it does encourage the wickedly creative teachers
Marisa_C 1/22/2014 2:18:20 PM @NikkiFortova Hey Nikki great to see you welcome back #eltchat
Shaunwilden 1/22/2014 1:18:43 PM @teacherphili I’ve trained loads of teachers who have similar starting experiences to this #eltchat
tefladventures 1/22/2014 7:18:50 PM #ELTchat I find it also leads to teachers "teaching to the test" instead of focusing on what the students actually want to learn.
patrickelt 1/22/2014 12:18:53 PM @teacherphili Was that because many teachers were inexperienced  #ELTchat
Mashfaqksa 1/22/2014 12:19:01 PM Marjetable language learning #ELTchat
Innov8rEduc8r 1/22/2014 11:19:08 PM Key aspect: Business first. What's missing? RT @teacherphili: It was a business 1st, #ELTchat
BobK99 1/22/2014 12:19:21 PM @Marisa_C EuroNOSEY - do they have hidden cameras to make sure everyone's on the same page? #eltchat
Marisa_C 1/22/2014 2:19:37 PM RT @victorhugor: If learning is personalized, teachers couldn't create individualized programs for each student #eltchat> no possible!!!
teacherphili 1/22/2014 12:19:45 PM @Shaunwilden Not something I want 2 go back 2. Whole 'package' sold to parents from the off. End of course scripted presentations! #ELTchat
Innov8rEduc8r 1/22/2014 11:19:46 PM This aspect is key RT @tefladventures: #ELTchat focusing on what the students actually want to learn.
Marisa_C 1/22/2014 2:20:09 PM @nroberts88 Was a bit Orwellian now I think about it #eltchat :-D
Marisa_C 1/22/2014 2:20:37 PM RT @tefladventures: #ELTchat also leads to teachers "teaching to the test" instead of focusing on what the students actually want to learn.
teacherphili 1/22/2014 12:20:54 PM @patrickelt erm, most teachers were Korean.  It was an 'after-school club'. Whole thing 'packaged' to sell to/for parents' benefits #ELTchat
tefladventures 1/22/2014 7:21:09 PM @BobK99 @Marisa_C No, but they have TAs who make a note of what page you are at every day and the folders are reviewed periodically.#eltchat
AlexandraKouk 1/22/2014 2:21:12 PM Hi all :-) Will have to pop in and out today, I'm afraid #eltchat
Marisa_C 1/22/2014 2:21:14 PM RT @BobK99: @Marisa_C EuroNOSEY - do they have hidden cameras to make sure everyone's on the same page? #eltchat > actually dictaphones hmm
Innov8rEduc8r 1/22/2014 11:21:23 PM Love it. Imagine playing up to the camera - with the sts. MT @BobK99: @Marisa_C EuroNOSEY - do they have hidden cameras...#eltchat
Marisa_C 1/22/2014 2:21:42 PM @BobK99 probably cameras now with all this new tech :-D #eltchat
Shaunwilden 1/22/2014 1:21:47 PM So I guess the feeling in the hashtag is that pre-packaged is bad #eltchat
AlexandraKouk 1/22/2014 2:22:07 PM So the problem's inflexibility, stifling creativity and "marketisation" of language learning? Is it a step beyond that? #eltchat
NikkiFortova 1/22/2014 1:22:28 PM @tefladventures I think it's important to do what Ss want but if you ask what they want, do they say anything other than "grammar"? #eltchat
teacherphili 1/22/2014 12:22:30 PM @Marisa_C @BobK99 Principal of my hagwon had cameras in every class, it is true!  Very #Orwellian as u say. #ELTchat
patrickelt 1/22/2014 12:22:32 PM @teacherphili Okay so perhaps an advantage in that parents can support learners?  #ELTchat
Marisa_C 1/22/2014 2:22:43 PM The big Question is why do DOSes or school owners do it? Is it to market better or because they don't trust their Ts #ELtchat
patrickelt 1/22/2014 12:23:06 PM @teacherphili As a parent, it is useful to look at son's maths textbook to see what he should know  #ELTchat
teacherphili 1/22/2014 12:23:07 PM The only benefits might be for the inexperienced, first time teacher who needs everything laid out for them. #ELTchat
harrisonmike 1/22/2014 12:23:12 PM @teacherphili it's the monetisation of educational products across the board #eltchat source: http://t.co/B1orf1PWJI http://t.co/38LswR2mQv
AlexandraKouk 1/22/2014 2:23:32 PM RT @Marisa_C: The big Question is why do DOSes or school owners do it? Is it to market better or because they don't trust their Ts #ELtchat
teacherphili 1/22/2014 12:23:42 PM @harrisonmike thanks, Mike.  I didn't realise it before but my first job was very much like this. #ELTchat
NikkiFortova 1/22/2014 1:24:06 PM @Marisa_C is it possible that it helps standardisation? #eltchat
teacherphili 1/22/2014 12:24:07 PM @patrickelt Oh yes, that is another possible 'benefit' of sorts. #ELTchat
Innov8rEduc8r 1/22/2014 11:24:11 PM @tefladventures @BobK99 @Marisa_C Seriously- This is what passes for Education? I would imagine many tchrs secretly disobeying! YAY #eltchat
Shaunwilden 1/22/2014 1:24:12 PM RT @NikkiFortova: @Marisa_C is it possible that it helps standardisation? #eltchat
AlexandraKouk 1/22/2014 2:24:28 PM RT @NikkiFortova: @Marisa_C is it possible that it helps standardisation? #eltchat
harrisonmike 1/22/2014 12:24:31 PM RT @Innov8rEduc8r: #eltchat Tho I suppose when you seek to limit/constrain, it does encourage the wickedly creative teachers
ShellTerrell 1/22/2014 6:24:40 AM Teaching English in Marrakesh, Morocco: Jobs & News http://t.co/QzLNxKBE6C #esl #eltchat
Mashfaqksa 1/22/2014 12:24:59 PM Cameras for what? #eltchat
patrickelt 1/22/2014 12:25:17 PM @teacherphili Wonder if this is quite an advantage  #ELTchat
tefladventures 1/22/2014 7:25:27 PM @NikkiFortova they tell me what skills they want to improve (e.g. emails) and the course program doesn't usually leave time for it.#ELTchat
teacherphili 1/22/2014 12:25:30 PM @Mashfaqksa monitoring students but secretly watching teachers stick to script I suspect! #ELTchat
teacherphili 1/22/2014 12:25:49 PM @patrickelt indeed... hence the quote marks. #ELTchat
Marisa_C 1/22/2014 2:25:54 PM RT @NikkiFortova: @Marisa_C is it possible that it helps standardisation? #eltchat > I feel this is a myth and a Utopian delusion :-D
harrisonmike 1/22/2014 12:25:56 PM @nikkifortova @tefladventures they need browbeating out of them that grammar = learning #eltchat
Innov8rEduc8r 1/22/2014 11:26:07 PM Standardisation of? Lots of scope here. RT @NikkiFortova: @Marisa_C is it possible that it helps standardisation? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 1/22/2014 1:26:22 PM @Marisa_C @NikkiFortova Gosh thats quite a phrase ‘utopian delusion’ #eltchat
nroberts88 1/22/2014 12:26:26 PM @tefladventures so much pressure on ss to pass exams now, new law in Spain requires FCE 1st in order to graduate from university. #eltchat
teacherphili 1/22/2014 12:26:55 PM @Marisa_C @NikkiFortova more distopia than utopia possibly. #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 1/22/2014 1:27:10 PM @nroberts88 @tefladventures So is  that an argument in favour of a package? #eltchat
Marisa_C 1/22/2014 2:27:23 PM @victorhugor Very true > when you go global it's even worse - but it's a publisher's dream 'cos a dependent T needs to buy buy buy #eltchat
patrickelt 1/22/2014 12:27:36 PM @harrisonmike @NikkiFortova @tefladventures Wonder whether this is often because learners cannot express other ideas #ELTchat
BobK99 1/22/2014 12:27:48 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C @NikkiFortova Gosh thats quite a phrase ‘utopian delusion’ #eltchat >But a good one.
patrickelt 1/22/2014 12:28:02 PM @harrisonmike @NikkiFortova @tefladventures Just easier to say gramma.  #ELTchat
tefladventures 1/22/2014 7:28:09 PM @Innov8rEduc8r @BobK99 @Marisa_C Yes and I encourage it! #ELTchat
harrisonmike 1/22/2014 12:28:16 PM @patrickelt @nikkifortova @tefladventures more and more i find sts really lacking in imagination and creativity #eltchat
Marisa_C 1/22/2014 2:28:36 PM @BobK99 @Shaunwilden @NikkiFortova :-) thanks my greek coming out :-) #eltchat
harrisonmike 1/22/2014 12:28:41 PM RT @nroberts88: @tefladventures so much pressure on ss to pass exams now, new law in Spain requires FCE 1st in order to graduate from unive…
Innov8rEduc8r 1/22/2014 11:29:02 PM Really? RT @harrisonmike: more and more i find sts really lacking in imagination and creativity #eltchat
Shaunwilden 1/22/2014 1:29:11 PM @harrisonmike And what do you attribute this to? #eltchat
nroberts88 1/22/2014 12:29:18 PM @Shaunwilden @tefladventures yes. Ss's parents are particularly in favour of testing and teaching to test I've found #ELTchat
patrickelt 1/22/2014 12:29:31 PM @harrisonmike @NikkiFortova @tefladventures Always suspect students have imagination but don't like to express it  #ELTchat
SueAnnan 1/22/2014 12:29:32 PM #eltchat sorry to come late to the party. There is a Swedish school which always sends students here in summer, they bring all the material
BobK99 1/22/2014 12:29:36 PM RT @Marisa_C: @victorhugor Very true > when you go global it's even worse ... a dependent T needs to buy buy buy #eltchat >Pearson=Monsanto?
patrickelt 1/22/2014 12:29:54 PM @harrisonmike @NikkiFortova @tefladventures Perhaps too risky on various levels  #ELTchat
harrisonmike 1/22/2014 12:30:11 PM @shaunwilden progressing up levels too quickly, focus on quals because of funding leads sts to value paper rather than learning #eltchat
Marisa_C 1/22/2014 2:30:12 PM @SueAnnan prefab course? #eltchatWelcome :-)
Shaunwilden 1/22/2014 1:30:16 PM @SueAnnan Hi Sue, so why do they bother coming? #eltchat
tefladventures 1/22/2014 7:30:25 PM @Shaunwilden @nroberts88 I think it's easier for a new T to have a syllabus but I think they should be allowed a lot of freedom. #ELTchat .
Innov8rEduc8r 1/22/2014 11:30:39 PM I've found that ss will go with my creative methods if I do some traditional. It works well. #eltchat
teacherphili 1/22/2014 12:30:39 PM Hi @SueAnnan - think that sounds like the kind of thing #ELTchat
harrisonmike 1/22/2014 12:30:51 PM @innov8reduc8r yep, some sts over last few years really not prepared to put in the effort, expecting it all on a plate #eltchat
SueAnnan 1/22/2014 12:31:05 PM @Shaunwilden my question too. They employ teachers here and tell them exactly what to teach #ELTchat
harrisonmike 1/22/2014 12:31:12 PM RT @patrickelt: @harrisonmike @NikkiFortova @tefladventures Always suspect students have imagination but don't like to express it  #ELTchat
Innov8rEduc8r 1/22/2014 11:31:18 PM Definitely MT @tefladventures: @Shaunwilden @nroberts88 ...I think they should be allowed a lot of freedom. #ELTchat .
Shaunwilden 1/22/2014 1:31:33 PM @SueAnnan Sounds really cost ineffective! #eltchat
tefladventures 1/22/2014 7:31:37 PM @nroberts88 that law was coming into place when I left Spain. Interesting that they actually implemented it. #ELTchat
NikkiFortova 1/22/2014 1:31:42 PM @harrisonmike I have the total opposite experience of late. My students are amazing when given the space to be creative #eltchat
harrisonmike 1/22/2014 12:31:48 PM @patrickelt @nikkifortova @tefladventures that's a possibility, esp when little or no space for imagination given in assessments #eltchat
Marisa_C 1/22/2014 2:31:53 PM @tefladventures Syllabus includes objectives not always a mandatory HoW to fulfill them #eltchat - the destination not the Journey
SueAnnan 1/22/2014 12:31:55 PM @teacherphili it's so soulless when you could make use of a different environment #ELTchat
teacherphili 1/22/2014 12:32:00 PM @SueAnnan @Shaunwilden Wow! That really is it, i think. The whole package.  So what does your place offer? Location? #ELTchat
SueAnnan 1/22/2014 12:32:36 PM @Shaunwilden ah but the kids get a holiday- and the company makes money#ELTchat
harrisonmike 1/22/2014 12:32:49 PM @nikkifortova i speak of one particular 'type' of st I come across more and more. I have fab sts too! :) #eltchat
Shaunwilden 1/22/2014 1:32:54 PM @tefladventures @nroberts88 There’s a difference between syllabus and the whole package though #eltchat
SueAnnan 1/22/2014 12:33:05 PM @teacherphili @Shaunwilden fortunately not our school. #ELTchat
mitchefl 1/22/2014 12:33:06 PM I was planning to be on time today. #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 1/22/2014 1:33:40 PM @mitchefl That’s the problems with plans, they always go out of the window ;-) Welcome #eltchat
Innov8rEduc8r 1/22/2014 11:33:41 PM @harrisonmike I've seen that too...but I like seeking to find out their passions or interests. It's a challenge.  #eltchat
NikkiFortova 1/22/2014 1:33:50 PM @harrisonmike well as long as assessment carries on taking a bottom up approach to it, it won't get more creative. #eltchat
harrisonmike 1/22/2014 12:34:06 PM RT @NikkiFortova: @harrisonmike well as long as assessment carries on taking a bottom up approach to it, it won't get more creative. #eltch…
mitchefl 1/22/2014 12:34:12 PM I worked in a school that had a whole course, including textbooks, made for it. It was less planning but we could still supplement #ELTchat
Marisa_C 1/22/2014 2:34:20 PM @iateflPL Not specifically but generically yes these Uniform-Method schools oart of what we are discussing #ELTchat
harrisonmike 1/22/2014 12:35:06 PM @nikkifortova creativity too difficult to assess in standardised environments is the reasoning I guess #eltchat
tefladventures 1/22/2014 7:35:17 PM @Marisa_C Yes, I wish my school would remove the "hows" and replace them with "whats."#ELTchat
Marisa_C 1/22/2014 2:35:17 PM RT @harrisonmike: @nikkifortova creativity too difficult to assess in standardised environments is the reasoning I guess #eltchat
Innov8rEduc8r 1/22/2014 11:35:28 PM @mitchefl #eltchat Love the word 'supplement' - so much scope for creative teaching. Daring to step outside the boundaries.
Marisa_C 1/22/2014 2:35:37 PM RT @Innov8rEduc8r: @mitchefl #eltchat Love the word 'supplement' - so much scope for creative teaching. Daring to step outside the boundari…
elawassell 1/22/2014 12:36:05 PM @Marisa_C oops that was me asking - forgot to switch accounts :-/ #ELTchat
Marisa_C 1/22/2014 2:36:14 PM This is a really good #ELTchat - I know cos time is flying for me :-)
NikkiFortova 1/22/2014 1:36:18 PM @harrisonmike or maybe we just have to rethink "our" view of what testing and assessment looks like. #eltchat
Marisa_C 1/22/2014 2:36:46 PM @elawassell no worries gotcha :-) #eltchat
teacherphili 1/22/2014 12:36:51 PM @Marisa_C and we seem to be sticking to topic, too #ELTchat
bethcagnol 1/22/2014 9:36:51 AM RT @Marisa_C: The big Question is why do DOSes or school owners do it? Is it to market better or because they don't trust their Ts #ELtchat
Shaunwilden 1/22/2014 1:36:55 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @harrisonmike @nikkifortova Yes, but there has to be some sort of standard environment doesn’t there?#eltchat
mitchefl 1/22/2014 12:37:02 PM @Innov8rEduc8r Well we could supplement but we weren't encouraged to personalize the lessons. It was possibly because of marketing #ELTchat
bethcagnol 1/22/2014 9:37:08 AM RT @Marisa_C: Join us for the the first #eltchat of the year is on pre-packaged, marketable language learning.  In 10 minutes
Innov8rEduc8r 1/22/2014 11:37:14 PM @NikkiFortova @harrisonmike Yes Rethinking - Re-working - Re-shaping - Re-conceptualising is critical #eltchat
harrisonmike 1/22/2014 12:37:33 PM #eltchat alternative assessment questions: https://t.co/wkcxwvg4lh
bethcagnol 1/22/2014 9:38:00 AM I'm arriving super late, sorry! #ELTCHAT this is such an interesting topic. Shoot!
Innov8rEduc8r 1/22/2014 11:38:07 PM @mitchefl Gotta watch out for that personalising. Wouldn't want teachers to show their style. Who knows. It could engage the sts. #eltchat
NikkiFortova 1/22/2014 1:38:15 PM @Shaunwilden What does "standard environment" mean? A unified set of criteria? #eltchat
harrisonmike 1/22/2014 12:38:22 PM RT @Innov8rEduc8r: @NikkiFortova @harrisonmike Yes Rethinking - Re-working - Re-shaping - Re-conceptualising is critical #eltchat
tefladventures 1/22/2014 7:38:23 PM Are there any large teaching chains that DON'T force materials on teachers? All of the ones in Asia seem to. #ELTchat
Marisa_C 1/22/2014 2:38:27 PM So the general consensus seems to be "we need a set of clear objectives &some material but we shd be free to supplement & create? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 1/22/2014 1:38:58 PM @NikkiFortova I was using @harrisonmike phrase but yes it could be that #eltchat
Innov8rEduc8r 1/22/2014 11:39:05 PM @Marisa_C For sure. And Get Creative with whatever you're given #eltchat
elawassell 1/22/2014 12:39:06 PM RT @Marisa_C: So the general consensus seems to be "we need a set of clear objectives &some material but we shd be free to supplement & cre…
Marisa_C 1/22/2014 2:39:12 PM RT @tefladventures: Are there any large chains that DON'T force materials on teachers? All of the1s in Asia seem to. #ELTchat good pont true
NikkiFortova 1/22/2014 1:39:25 PM @Innov8rEduc8r and perhaps any re-thinking might lead to a more top-down rather than bottom-up approach to language learning #eltchat
bethcagnol 1/22/2014 9:39:35 AM Totally jumping in with a random thought. Many of my clients have asked me not to provide per-packaged training. #eltchat
harrisonmike 1/22/2014 12:39:49 PM @nikkifortova @shaunwilden think that's what I meant #makingitupasigoalong ;) #eltchat
teacherphili 1/22/2014 12:39:53 PM @tefladventures it is commonly found in Asian contexts, it is true. #ELTchat
Marisa_C 1/22/2014 2:40:07 PM RT @bethcagnol: Totally jumping in with a random thought. Many of my clients have asked me not to provide per-packaged training. #eltchat
Innov8rEduc8r 1/22/2014 11:40:28 PM @bethcagnol #eltchat Now they're the clients to work for. Anti-pre-packaged. Love it.
SueAnnan 1/22/2014 12:40:34 PM @Marisa_C I would agree in part. I think that Ts need freedom to meet needs of sts, which isn't a given with standardised stuff #ELTchat
Marisa_C 1/22/2014 2:40:43 PM @bethcagnol Ours too - specific requirement for tailor made course and mats design for BE #ELtchat
bethcagnol 1/22/2014 9:40:49 AM @Marisa_C @tefladventures It depends in France. Many DOSs say they can provide the tchr w/ packages to make planning easier. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 1/22/2014 1:40:51 PM @bethcagnol i think this shows the difference between ‘in-company’ type of classes and a school #eltchat
patrickelt 1/22/2014 12:40:52 PM @bethcagnol Interesting as many teacher training courses do seem to provide these materials  #ELTchat
tefladventures 1/22/2014 7:40:53 PM @Marisa_C Clear objectives would be good, and a healthy library of resources. #ELTchat
patrickelt 1/22/2014 12:41:10 PM @bethcagnol Interesting that clients do not like this  #ELTchat
BobK99 1/22/2014 12:41:32 PM MT @Marisa_C: ... "we need a set of clear objectives &some mat bt we shd be free to supp & create? #eltchat >Yes. Risk is that obj is USE ME
mitchefl 1/22/2014 12:41:36 PM @Innov8rEduc8r It just seems like it's more of a business ploy than about education. #ELTchat
bethcagnol 1/22/2014 9:41:46 AM If many schools opt out of providing packages, will this then change the responsibilities of DOSs? #eltchat
harrisonmike 1/22/2014 12:41:46 PM @bethcagnol @marisa_c @tefladventures yuck, I now hate prescriptivism!! #eltchat
Marisa_C 1/22/2014 2:41:56 PM Do you believe that al Ts are good syllabus designers or able to analyse student needs? #eltchat is that why prepackaging happens?
SueAnnan 1/22/2014 12:42:10 PM @Marisa_C @bethcagnol very much JustInTime stuff :-) I really prefer that #ELTchat
Mashfaqksa 1/22/2014 12:42:12 PM @tefladventures we r tied to materials agree #ELTchat
Marisa_C 1/22/2014 2:42:20 PM RT @tefladventures: @Marisa_C Clear objectives would be good, and a healthy library of resources. #ELTchat
Innov8rEduc8r 1/22/2014 11:42:30 PM I agree. RT @mitchefl: @Innov8rEduc8r It just seems like it's more of a business ploy than about education. #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 1/22/2014 1:42:36 PM @bethcagnol How so? Doesn’t it depend on the type of school? #eltchat
elawassell 1/22/2014 12:42:56 PM @patrickelt @bethcagnol I think it's because they'd prefer lessons tailor-made for them. #ELTchat
teacherphili 1/22/2014 12:43:00 PM @SueAnnan oh i see. they come to Jersey but not your place. thx #ELTchat
harrisonmike 1/22/2014 12:43:10 PM @marisa_c crucial thing should be that all Ts get training in how to do this - TALK to the students! SEE what they can do! #eltchat
NikkiFortova 1/22/2014 1:43:28 PM I don't think I've ever seen pre-packaged materials - unless it's a coursebook we're talking about - how rigid are they? #eltchat
mitchefl 1/22/2014 12:43:39 PM @Marisa_C Isn't there a difference between having a syllabus and having a prepackaged course with no room for change? #ELTchat
bethcagnol 1/22/2014 9:43:50 AM On the opposite extreme, I recently hired a tchr who refuses 2 plan classes. A risk...but he convinced me and it's working so far #eltchat
Shaunwilden 1/22/2014 1:43:51 PM @harrisonmike @marisa_c I think this does happen but new teachers not great at understanding #eltchat
elawassell 1/22/2014 12:43:57 PM RT @Marisa_C: Do you believe that al Ts are good syllabus designers or able to analyse student needs? #eltchat is that why prepackaging hap…
patrickelt 1/22/2014 12:44:01 PM @elawassell @bethcagnol Seems a reasonable attitude #ELTchat
harrisonmike 1/22/2014 12:44:02 PM #eltchat do lang schools these days need some kind of gimmick to make them (more) appealing (than others)?
Marisa_C 1/22/2014 2:44:07 PM @mitchefl Yes, absolutely #ELTchat
tefladventures 1/22/2014 7:44:20 PM @Marisa_C That and the size of some schools. They can't hope to monitor 300 T's skills so they tell them what to teach. #eltchat
harrisonmike 1/22/2014 12:44:37 PM @shaunwilden @marisa_c good point - can be a lot to deal with #eltchat
bethcagnol 1/22/2014 9:44:50 AM @Marisa_C Most tchrs are good at assessing needs. Not all are good (or need to be good) at syllabus design. #eltchat
Marisa_C 1/22/2014 2:44:53 PM RT @harrisonmike: #eltchat do lang schools these days need some kind of gimmick to make them (more) appealing (than others)? > gd point yes
Innov8rEduc8r 1/22/2014 11:44:55 PM @Marisa_ It need not be an issue with the materials - if teachers have scope to deviate. Insisting on no personalisation is a prob. #eltchat
harrisonmike 1/22/2014 12:45:33 PM RT @Innov8rEduc8r: @Marisa_ It need not be an issue with the materials - if teachers have scope to deviate. Insisting on no personalisation…
bethcagnol 1/22/2014 9:45:43 AM @harrisonmike In France this idea is dying slowly. Companies want more tailored classes. They R tired of being sold the same thing. #eltchat
mitchefl 1/22/2014 12:46:02 PM @harrisonmike Possibly. There are loads of schools nowadays. There may be a need to stand out from the crowd. #ELTchat
Marisa_C 1/22/2014 2:46:10 PM I think sm ppl confuse personalisation with heavy individualisation - in a school setting we teach the class first - or not? #Eltchat
Shaunwilden 1/22/2014 1:46:17 PM RT @Marisa_C: I think sm ppl confuse personalisation with heavy individualisation - in a school setting we teach the class first - or not? …
harrisonmike 1/22/2014 12:46:37 PM @bethcagnol I like France :) #eltchat
Innov8rEduc8r 1/22/2014 11:46:47 PM @bethcagnol Another compellling reason to go to France: Desire for Tailored Classes! #eltchat
Shaunwilden 1/22/2014 1:46:59 PM @Marisa_C that’s a good point #eltchat
bethcagnol 1/22/2014 9:47:15 AM @Marisa_C I think a lack of trust in the trainer is also a major factor in pre-packaged programmes. #eltchat
Innov8rEduc8r 1/22/2014 11:47:35 PM 4 Sure |RT @mitchefl: @harrisonmike Possibly. There are loads of schools nowadays. There may be a need to stand out from the crowd. #ELTchat
Marisa_C 1/22/2014 2:47:36 PM RT @bethcagnol: @Marisa_C I think a lack of trust in the trainer is also a major factor in pre-packaged programmes. #eltchat> absolutely!!!!
elawassell 1/22/2014 12:47:45 PM RT @Marisa_C: I think sm ppl confuse personalisation with heavy individualisation - in a school setting we teach the class first - or not? …
Shaunwilden 1/22/2014 1:47:49 PM RT @Marisa_C: RT @bethcagnol: @Marisa_C I think a lack of trust in the trainer is also a major factor in pre-packaged programmes. #eltchat>…
teacherphili 1/22/2014 12:48:12 PM @Marisa_C yes isn't personalisation more to do sharing information about yourself?  #ELTchat
bethcagnol 1/22/2014 9:48:17 AM @Marisa_C Also many large language companies R run by non-teachers. Many things are packaged in the business world. Why not ELT? #eltchat
Innov8rEduc8r 1/22/2014 11:48:26 PM @Marisa_C @bethcagnol #eltchat Yet you can still have awful teaching with pre-packaged materials
NikkiFortova 1/22/2014 1:48:37 PM @Marisa_C I think we need to be aware of the individuals in the group, but getting them to collaborate as a group is key #eltchat
elawassell 1/22/2014 12:48:40 PM RT @NikkiFortova: I don't think I've ever seen pre-packaged materials - unless it's a coursebook we're talking about - how rigid are they? …
Shaunwilden 1/22/2014 1:48:44 PM RT @NikkiFortova: @Marisa_C I think we need to be aware of the individuals in the group, but getting them to collaborate as a group is key …
Marisa_C 1/22/2014 2:48:44 PM RT @bethcagnol: many large language companies R run by non-teachers. Many things are packaged in the business world. Why not ELT? #eltchat
harrisonmike 1/22/2014 12:48:46 PM RT @bethcagnol: @Marisa_C Also many large language companies R run by non-teachers. Many things are packaged in the business world. Why not…
SueAnnan 1/22/2014 12:48:57 PM RT @bethcagnol: @Marisa_C Also many large language companies R run by non-teachers. Many things are packaged in the business world. Why not…
Larryferlazzo 1/22/2014 4:49:11 AM RT @Marisa_C: New Curation Tool - Beenpods - easy to use http://t.co/dh8vcMQmbr #ELTchat #edtech #edchat
Innov8rEduc8r 1/22/2014 11:49:35 PM @NikkiFortova @Marisa_C Yes a key word in all this - the 'individuals' in our classrooms. All too easily forgotten. #eltchat
Marisa_C 1/22/2014 2:49:47 PM @Innov8rEduc8r @bethcagnol I can verify the truth of this!!! Prefab mats do not promote teacher development either #Eltchat
harrisonmike 1/22/2014 12:49:49 PM RT @NikkiFortova: @Marisa_C I think we need to be aware of the individuals in the group, but getting them to collaborate as a group is key …
SueAnnan 1/22/2014 12:50:02 PM @Innov8rEduc8r @Marisa_C @bethcagnol in many ways these are more difficult as don't always take locality into account #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 1/22/2014 1:50:04 PM RT @Innov8rEduc8r: @Marisa_C @bethcagnol #eltchat Yet you can still have awful teaching with pre-packaged materials
harrisonmike 1/22/2014 12:50:33 PM @nikkifortova @marisa_c @shaunwilden I believe that lessons should be accessible for all, and offer sth they can take away #eltchat
Innov8rEduc8r 1/22/2014 11:50:35 PM True | MT @Marisa_C: @Innov8rEduc8r @bethcagnol I can verify the truth of this! Prefab mats do not promote tchr development either #Eltchat
harrisonmike 1/22/2014 12:50:48 PM @nikkifortova @marisa_c @shaunwilden I don't always succeed!! #eltchat
elawassell 1/22/2014 12:51:28 PM RT @Marisa_C: @Innov8rEduc8r @bethcagnol I can verify the truth of this!!! Prefab mats do not promote teacher development either #Eltchat
Shaunwilden 1/22/2014 1:51:32 PM @harrisonmike @nikkifortova @marisa_c Would that not be the case with or without packed materials? #eltchat
bethcagnol 1/22/2014 9:51:46 AM @Innov8rEduc8r @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C -- Devil's advocate question: Do packaged programmes cause awful teaching?  Discuss. #eltchat
harrisonmike 1/22/2014 12:52:07 PM @shaunwilden @nikkifortova @marisa_c less likely to happen with pre-packaged materials IMHO #eltchat
Marisa_C 1/22/2014 2:52:12 PM The Question is - do Ss suffer from this pre-packaging and in what way  Can there be well designed and taught prefab lessons? #eltchat
Innov8rEduc8r 1/22/2014 11:52:13 PM @SueAnnan @Marisa_C @bethcagnol Another key word emerges - locality - basing our teaching on sts' lived cultures & locations. Key. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 1/22/2014 1:52:14 PM @bethcagnol @Innov8rEduc8r @Marisa_C i’d say no they don’t don’t #eltchat
patrickelt 1/22/2014 12:52:15 PM Perhaps an issue to be discussed is distance learning materials  #ELTchat
Mashfaqksa 1/22/2014 12:52:46 PM @Larryferlazzo whts beenpod sir#eltchat
Marisa_C 1/22/2014 2:52:54 PM RT @patrickelt: Perhaps an issue to be discussed is distance learning materials  #ELTchat > very gd Q - haven't touched on this
SueAnnan 1/22/2014 12:53:04 PM @bethcagnol @Innov8rEduc8r @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C not with an experienced teacher, but otherwise?  #ELTchat
mitchefl 1/22/2014 12:53:04 PM @SueAnnan @Innov8rEduc8r @Marisa_C @bethcagnol same could be said of textbooks. There could be different approaches to the material?#eltchat
harrisonmike 1/22/2014 12:53:06 PM @bethcagnol @innov8reduc8r @shaunwilden @marisa_c think it perpetuates wrong view of language and lang teaching/learning #eltchat
sookjhee 1/22/2014 8:53:08 PM prepackaged materials are not localised. #ELTchat
teacherphili 1/22/2014 12:53:21 PM @patrickelt yes, good point #ELTchat
harrisonmike 1/22/2014 12:53:29 PM RT @Innov8rEduc8r: @SueAnnan @Marisa_C @bethcagnol Another key word emerges - locality - basing our teaching on sts' lived cultures & locat…
tefladventures 1/22/2014 7:53:32 PM @bethcagnol @Innov8rEduc8r @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C An awful teacher will be an awful teacher with or without pre-packaged programs. #eltchat
NikkiFortova 1/22/2014 1:53:40 PM @bethcagnol good question, or do they provide a good model if they are well written & based on sound learning and teaching beliefs? #eltchat
harrisonmike 1/22/2014 12:53:56 PM RT @sookjhee: prepackaged materials are not localised. #ELTchat
patrickelt 1/22/2014 12:54:07 PM @Marisa_C Prepackaged but perhaps tutor then personalises for needs/interests.  #ELTchat
Innov8rEduc8r 1/22/2014 11:54:12 PM @Marisa_C #eltchat Do Sts Suffer? I guess it comes down to their needs, interests and passions. Are they dev skills for their lives?
bethcagnol 1/22/2014 9:54:20 AM @harrisonmike @Innov8rEduc8r @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C Packages can suck the life out of tching though... #eltchat
Marisa_C 1/22/2014 2:54:33 PM So prepackaging does not guarantee quality of instruction! Go tell industrially oriented school owners!!! #Eltchat (Or quality of learning)
nroberts88 1/22/2014 12:54:44 PM @Marisa_C exam preparation classes? #eltchat
harrisonmike 1/22/2014 12:55:03 PM Language is not packed up in real life; it shouldn't be in teaching or learning #eltchat
bethcagnol 1/22/2014 9:55:07 AM @NikkiFortova Who's to decide they are well written? The trainer? The school? The client? #eltchat
SueAnnan 1/22/2014 12:55:09 PM RT @Marisa_C: So prepackaging does not guarantee quality of instruction! Go tell industrially oriented school owners!!! #Eltchat (Or qualit…
Innov8rEduc8r 1/22/2014 11:55:22 PM They can suck the life out of every-one | RT @bethcagnol: Packages can suck the life out of tching though... #eltchat
harrisonmike 1/22/2014 12:55:25 PM RT @bethcagnol: @harrisonmike @Innov8rEduc8r @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C Packages can suck the life out of tching though... #eltchat
bethcagnol 1/22/2014 9:55:26 AM RT @Marisa_C: So prepackaging does not guarantee quality of instruction! Go tell industrially oriented school owners!!! #Eltchat (Or qualit…
Marisa_C 1/22/2014 2:55:36 PM @bethcagnol @harrisonmike @Innov8rEduc8r @Shaunwilden Like "suck the life out of teaching" yes #eltchat
bethcagnol 1/22/2014 9:55:39 AM RT @harrisonmike: Language is not packed up in real life; it shouldn't be in teaching or learning #eltchat
Shaunwilden 1/22/2014 1:55:56 PM @bethcagnol I dont disagree but as @tefladventure said an awful teacher is awful with or without #eltchat
BobK99 1/22/2014 12:55:56 PM RT @sookjhee: prepackaged materials are not localised. #ELTchat >With just-in-time tech and print-on-demand they  COULD be
Marisa_C 1/22/2014 2:55:57 PM RT @harrisonmike: Language is not packed up in real life; it shouldn't be in teaching or learning #eltchat
harrisonmike 1/22/2014 12:56:06 PM @bethcagnol that's what I tried to say - packaged learning materials promote atomistic rather than holistic view of language #eltchat
Innov8rEduc8r 1/22/2014 11:56:06 PM I'd suggest sneaky rebellion - in the cause of st engagement #eltchat
NikkiFortova 1/22/2014 1:56:32 PM @bethcagnol From a teaching perspective I guess it's the Dos initially, and then the clients if they are having the desired effect. #eltchat
mitchefl 1/22/2014 12:56:43 PM @nroberts88 @Marisa_C Much of the exam material is dry and needs the teacher to interest the students. #ELTchat
Marisa_C 1/22/2014 2:56:46 PM RT @Innov8rEduc8r: I'd suggest sneaky rebellion - in the cause of st engagement #eltchat > what i always say!!! "Go underground!!!!"
SueAnnan 1/22/2014 12:57:00 PM @nroberts88 @Marisa_C useful to have material to understand syllabus reqs, but can still expand for sts benefit #eltchat
Innov8rEduc8r 1/22/2014 11:57:01 PM U have a point! MT @harrisonmike: @bethcagnol - packaged learning materials promote atomistic rather than holistic view of language #eltchat
Shaunwilden 1/22/2014 1:57:16 PM RT @Innov8rEduc8r: U have a point! MT @harrisonmike: @bethcagnol - packaged learning materials promote atomistic rather than holistic view …
mitchefl 1/22/2014 12:57:31 PM @Innov8rEduc8r What do you suggest is done to rebel? #ELTchat
Marisa_C 1/22/2014 2:57:44 PM RT @mitchefl: @nroberts88 @Marisa_C Much of the exam material is dry and needs the teacher to interest the students. #ELTchat > Yes
Shaunwilden 1/22/2014 1:57:59 PM RT @mitchefl: @Innov8rEduc8r What do you suggest is done to rebel? #ELTchat
harrisonmike 1/22/2014 12:58:11 PM RT @Innov8rEduc8r: I'd suggest sneaky rebellion - in the cause of st engagement #eltchat
Shaunwilden 1/22/2014 1:58:15 PM @mitchefl @Innov8rEduc8r Maybe that’s a topic for a future #eltchat :-)
Marisa_C 1/22/2014 2:58:18 PM RT @mitchefl: @Innov8rEduc8r What do you suggest is done to rebel? #ELTchat > Cover the page/aims your own way> tell Ss you have done so
bethcagnol 1/22/2014 9:58:30 AM @NikkiFortova Are the clients informed they have control over the content if they R not happy? Ideally, this would be communicated. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 1/22/2014 1:58:58 PM We’re nearing the end of #eltchat this is the bit when we look for a volunteer to write the summary….
Innov8rEduc8r 1/22/2014 11:58:58 PM @SueAnnan #eltchat Key Word - Benefit. For whose benefit? What does it benefit? What benefit/s?
ELTchat 1/22/2014 1:59:03 PM RT @Shaunwilden: We’re nearing the end of #eltchat this is the bit when we look for a volunteer to write the summary….
sookjhee 1/22/2014 8:59:13 PM @BobK99 tried those materials with minority students and didnt work. Agree that tech could fill the gap :) #ELTchat
bethcagnol 1/22/2014 9:59:15 AM @victorhugor Thanks Victor.  #blush #eltchat
Shaunwilden 1/22/2014 1:59:15 PM RT @Innov8rEduc8r: @SueAnnan #eltchat Key Word - Benefit. For whose benefit? What does it benefit? What benefit/s?
SueAnnan 1/22/2014 12:59:29 PM @Marisa_C @mitchefl @Innov8rEduc8r cut and paste:-) mix up the book, supplement #eltchat
NikkiFortova 1/22/2014 1:59:39 PM @harrisonmike I think the trend towards language learning, due I'd say to testing, is analytic rather than holistic, at least in cz #eltchat
Marisa_C 1/22/2014 2:59:47 PM RT @SueAnnan: @Marisa_C @mitchefl @Innov8rEduc8r cut and paste:-) mix up the book, supplement #eltchat > YEs!
Shaunwilden 1/22/2014 2:00:04 PM @Innov8rEduc8r @SueAnnan ‘benefit’ is definitely a key word in this discussion #eltchat
harrisonmike 1/22/2014 1:00:25 PM @nikkifortova I think that's across the board tbh #eltchat
SueAnnan 1/22/2014 1:00:30 PM @Shaunwilden sorry, got two EVO sessions on the go this week, :-) #eltchat
Marisa_C 1/22/2014 3:00:35 PM May I repeat @Shaunwilden 's call for someone to write up this summary please? #eltchat
bigke 1/22/2014 9:01:01 PM #ELTchat it's all about having a brand and economy of scale.  Once your org is past a Certain size, you need to have standardized content
teacherphili 1/22/2014 1:01:03 PM @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden well I will offer to do summary unless someone else really keen to. #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 1/22/2014 2:01:19 PM @teacherphili @Marisa_C Nope you’re it then - thanks :-) #eltchat
Innov8rEduc8r 1/23/2014 12:01:57 AM #eltchat Cheers so much all for a highly energetic chat. Certainly stirred us up. Thanks for all the insights and experience
NikkiFortova 1/22/2014 2:01:58 PM @bethcagnol Good point. The companies I've worked for here haven't been backward in coming forward if they don't like the material #eltchat
SueAnnan 1/22/2014 1:02:05 PM RT @bigke: #ELTchat it's all about having a brand and economy of scale.  Once your org is past a Certain size, you need to have standardize…
Shaunwilden 1/22/2014 2:02:09 PM Well that was lively start to 2014 #eltchat remember next week we do it at 21.00 GMT
NikkiFortova 1/22/2014 2:02:20 PM @harrisonmike shall we change it: :-) #eltchat
teacherphili 1/22/2014 1:02:29 PM @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C Got the time to do it.  Shall I expect the pbWorks Transcript in the post, yeah? #ELTchat
SueAnnan 1/22/2014 1:02:31 PM @bigke really? #ELTchat
Marisa_C 1/22/2014 3:02:57 PM @bigke have worked for a school with 4500 students (in same building) uniformity and prepackaging never an issue #eltchat
Mashfaqksa 1/22/2014 1:03:01 PM Sum supplementing materials acoording to instructional setting #eltchat
harrisonmike 1/22/2014 1:03:08 PM @nikkifortova I'm game! #eltchat
tefladventures 1/22/2014 8:03:18 PM enjoyed my first #eltchat. Thanks everybody.
SueAnnan 1/22/2014 1:03:42 PM @Shaunwilden see you then. Thanks for an interesting chat #eltchat
mitchefl 1/22/2014 1:03:59 PM Enjoyed getting involved today. I'll try and be on time next time! #ELTchat
Marisa_C 1/22/2014 3:04:09 PM Enjoyed our 1st #eltchat of the year hugely! Remember our next one is next week at 21:00 p.m. GMT+2
teacherphili 1/22/2014 1:04:30 PM RT @Marisa_C: Enjoyed our 1st #eltchat of the year hugely! Remember our next one is next week at 21:00 p.m. GMT+2
Mashfaqksa 1/22/2014 1:04:38 PM Looking forward to nexs session. Was a spectator in this session #eltchat
BobK99 1/22/2014 1:04:53 PM Bye all at #eltchat - I'll try to make next week, but evenings aren't really my thing! Thanx and HNY.
Marisa_C 1/22/2014 3:05:36 PM @Mashfaqksa good idea to watch - you did tweet tho - more next time :-) #eltchat
bigke 1/22/2014 9:05:37 PM #ELTchat - so small really is beautiful in ELT - large Lang training providers need to have standardized content & teachers stay on brand
mitchefl 1/22/2014 1:05:44 PM Thanks for an interesting chat. Bye #ELTchat
NikkiFortova 1/22/2014 2:06:37 PM @bigke do students fit to the same mould? one-size-fits all works to a point, but without flexibility in the materialit's game over #eltchat
Marisa_C 1/22/2014 3:06:44 PM @bigke I like 'small is beautiful' thought - but you can have a large school with a small & beautiful mindset #eltchat
NikkiFortova 1/22/2014 2:07:16 PM @harrisonmike fab, let's make a plan :-) #eltchat
Marisa_C 1/22/2014 3:07:18 PM @victorhugor wonderful to have you here dear Victor :-) #eltchat
Mashfaqksa 1/22/2014 1:09:08 PM Thanks guys 4 encouraging me 😷 #eltchat
NikkiFortova 1/22/2014 2:09:18 PM Thanks for the chat, all. Got to run and teach somebody something now #eltchat
StudioAcademic 1/22/2014 1:11:07 PM No time to join in with today's @ELTchat but have skimmed the feed, interesting stuff! Looking forward to pitching in next time! #eltchat
teacherphili 1/22/2014 1:11:12 PM @Mashfaqksa please spread the #ELTchat word amongst your fellow teachers. #PLN
Innov8rEduc8r 1/23/2014 12:12:16 AM @Marisa_C "Go Underground" Love this expression. Haven't heard it before in this context. I'm writing it down. #eltchat
Marisa_C 1/22/2014 3:12:52 PM @StudioAcademic @ELTchat Looking forward to that - next week 21.00 p.m. GMT+2 #eltchat

 

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