| username |
utc date |
status |
| Marisa_C |
11/27/2013 20:58 |
RT @teflerinha: RT @Marisa_C: Remember our topic for the 2nd #ELTchat today is "How to be an ELT writer" (and win fame, fortune.... :-) >I'… |
| Marisa_C |
11/27/2013 20:59 |
About to start - welcome all - good to see u @teflerinha - hope we will be joined by more aspiring ELT writers #eltchat |
| naomishema |
11/27/2013 21:00 |
Hello #eltchat! Missed you all! |
| Shaunwilden |
11/27/2013 21:01 |
RT @Marisa_C: About to start - welcome all - good to see u @teflerinha - hope we will be joined by more aspiring ELT writers #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11/27/2013 21:01 |
@naomishema Hi dear Puffin :-) welcome - we've missed u too #eltchat |
| JoeMcVeigh |
11/27/2013 21:02 |
Hello, all. It's been a while. Greetings from cold and rainy/snowy Vermont on the eve of the U.S. Thanksgiving Day holiday. #eltchat |
| jo_cummins |
11/27/2013 21:03 |
I'm semi-here (for the 1st time in ages!) but trying to finish some writing work too... #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11/27/2013 21:03 |
@JoeMcVeigh Welcome happy thanksgiving to all our stateside friends @jo_cummins too - :-) #eltchat |
| digitalpedpet |
11/27/2013 21:03 |
Every teacher can use these in their practice to help with assessment http://t.co/rrkiimVfN5 #eltchat #specialedchat #web2 #it #fe #highered |
| mmgrinberg |
11/27/2013 21:04 |
#eltchat very sleepy - 1 am here in moscow - and yet hi everybody. Gonna stay for the first half and then rd da transcript 2moro |
| HanaTicha |
11/27/2013 21:04 |
Hello. I'm not sure whether I'm in the right place but I'll try to learn from some aspiring writers :-) #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
11/27/2013 21:04 |
#eltchat Hi everyone. Long time no see- manically busy with my writing ;) |
| Marisa_C |
11/27/2013 21:04 |
@HanaTicha @mmgrinberg hi and welcome hope we can keep you awake for a bit #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11/27/2013 21:05 |
@teflerinha you have some experience as an ELT writer - what would you suggest might be a good first step #eltchat |
| leedsacademy |
11/27/2013 21:05 |
Don't know if I'm an aspiring writer, but I'm here. :) #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11/27/2013 21:05 |
@HanaTicha I am learning as well - my writing is so far back in the past sure things have changed :-) #eltchat |
| JoeMcVeigh |
11/27/2013 21:05 |
So is the question about how to write? Or is the question about how to become published? #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
11/27/2013 21:06 |
#eltchat A good place to start is by writing for somewhere like EtP or onestop |
| naomishema |
11/27/2013 21:06 |
RT @JoeMcVeigh: So is the question about how to write? Or is the question about how to become published? #eltchat > Good Q! |
| Shaunwilden |
11/27/2013 21:06 |
i went to @ELT_T2W session at tesol france at weekend was very interesting #eltchat |
| mmgrinberg |
11/27/2013 21:06 |
RT @JoeMcVeigh: So is the question about how to write? Or is the question about how to become published? #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
11/27/2013 21:06 |
#eltchat Also writing reports on other people's writing is good- gives insight and shows u know what ur talking about |
| Marisa_C |
11/27/2013 21:06 |
@JoeMcVeigh May be both? let's see how far we can get #eltchat |
| Ven_VVE |
11/27/2013 21:06 |
Hi all, aspiring writers and others! #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
11/27/2013 21:07 |
@Shaunwilden @ELT_T2W #eltchat Quick summary ?! |
| SueAnnan |
11/27/2013 21:07 |
evening everyone #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
11/27/2013 21:07 |
RT @Shaunwilden: i went to @ELT_T2W session at tesol france at weekend was very interesting #eltchat > any insights to share? |
| Marisa_C |
11/27/2013 21:07 |
@SueAnnan hi there start studded blogger @Ven_VVE the summary is we re just figuring out what to talk about :-) #eltchat angles |
| leedsacademy |
11/27/2013 21:08 |
@teflerinha so how do you go about that? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
11/27/2013 21:08 |
@teflerinha @ELT_T2W erm tricky, it was a like a good td session - looked at skills needed, what good writers do etc #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
11/27/2013 21:08 |
IATEFL has a new materials writer SIG #ELTchat |
| teflerinha |
11/27/2013 21:08 |
RT @SueAnnan: IATEFL has a new materials writer SIG #ELTchat Yes- pls join us! |
| Marisa_C |
11/27/2013 21:08 |
@Shaunwilden so what do good materials designers need to be able to do #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
11/27/2013 21:08 |
@leedsacademy Sorry, which one? #eltchat |
| naomishema |
11/27/2013 21:09 |
RT @Marisa_C: @Shaunwilden so what do good materials designers need to be able to do #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
11/27/2013 21:09 |
@Marisa_C Stuff you already do, clear rubrics, know which levels words belong to etc #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11/27/2013 21:09 |
may be talk about how to get published in second half? #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
11/27/2013 21:09 |
#eltchat @johnhugheselt did webinar for #maWSIG the other week about writing for a wider audience- lots of good tips. |
| leedsacademy |
11/27/2013 21:10 |
@SueAnnan They also had a good workshop a week or so ago run by John Hughes. It was great. #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
11/27/2013 21:10 |
@Shaunwilden @ELT_T2W #eltchat Sounds good. |
| Shaunwilden |
11/27/2013 21:10 |
@Marisa_C i guess it would help, we did an exercises on word frequency in the session #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
11/27/2013 21:11 |
@Marisa_C @Shaunwilden #eltchat Depends who you are writing for- yourself, others in your place of work, teachers wolrdlwide? |
| Wiktor_K |
11/27/2013 21:11 |
Aaaah #eltchat - and it's about publishing! Long time no see guys. |
| JoeMcVeigh |
11/27/2013 21:11 |
And TESOL has a Materials Writers Interest Section. Good networking and tips plus email list for members. http://t.co/LtPbJFUA67 #eltchat |
| leedsacademy |
11/27/2013 21:11 |
@teflerinha well either really. do you write materials on any topic and then submit them speculatively? do you need2know somebody? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11/27/2013 21:11 |
@JoeMcVeigh thanks will explore #eltchat http://t.co/hhflJNQ6c2 |
| JoeMcVeigh |
11/27/2013 21:11 |
One important skill in writing for others is to imagine materials used in settings other than your own by teachers other than you. #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
11/27/2013 21:12 |
@leedsacademy #eltchat You usually need a contact, but it's quite easy to meet people at conferences. Or maybe use @ELT_T2W |
| Shaunwilden |
11/27/2013 21:12 |
RT @teflerinha: @leedsacademy #eltchat You usually need a contact, but it's quite easy to meet people at conferences. Or maybe use @ELT_T2W |
| Marisa_C |
11/27/2013 21:12 |
@JoeMcVeigh very important point - and may be write rubrics which are clear & simple enough for all? #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
11/27/2013 21:13 |
@Marisa_C @JoeMcVeigh Yes, rubric writing is important- and a good key helps too! #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
11/27/2013 21:13 |
@teflerinha how did you get involved Rachel? #ELTchat |
| teflerinha |
11/27/2013 21:14 |
@SueAnnan #eltchat I got talking to someone from Macmillan at a conf about how there were no lower level IELTS mats |
| JoeMcVeigh |
11/27/2013 21:14 |
Sorry, always get confused by "rubrics"which means "direction lines" in Am. English. In Am Eng "rubrics" are scoring matrices. BrE? #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
11/27/2013 21:14 |
@JoeMcVeigh Sorry, rubrics BE means instructions, basically. #eltchat |
| leedsacademy |
11/27/2013 21:15 |
@teflerinha @ELT_T2W Thx. At the moment I just write lots for myself but doing MA in ELT and need to produce materials there too #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11/27/2013 21:15 |
I would suggest study publisher catalogues and find out where they have gaps #eltchat |
| JoeMcVeigh |
11/27/2013 21:15 |
@teflerinha Yes, I've got it. It just takes me a while to remember every time. And I can't figure out AmE "rubrics" in BrE #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
11/27/2013 21:15 |
@Shaunwilden @SueAnnan It does happen! #eltchat Think pubs like teacher trainers who've worked in different contexts. |
| Marisa_C |
11/27/2013 21:16 |
They are not going to be interested in a new coursebook when they have just launched a new series #eltchat (for example) |
| teflerinha |
11/27/2013 21:16 |
@JoeMcVeigh I don't think I know what a scoring matrix is! #eltchat |
| JoeMcVeigh |
11/27/2013 21:16 |
To get in on ground floor, lot of pubs need people to write workbooks, T manuals, online activities, etc. Then graduate to courses #eltchat |
| Wiktor_K |
11/27/2013 21:17 |
Totally with @Marisa_C on gap-finding - and long-term planning also needed for bigger publishers #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
11/27/2013 21:17 |
@Marisa_C #eltchat It's very rare these days for publishers to go with an author's idea for a series- they plan what they want & u write it |
| Shaunwilden |
11/27/2013 21:17 |
RT @teflerinha: @Marisa_C #eltchat It's very rare these days for publishers to go with an author's idea for a series- they plan what they w… |
| HanaTicha |
11/27/2013 21:17 |
I have a burning question: do you believe a non-native teacher would ever be accepted as a fully qualified ELT materials writer? #eltchat |
| jo_cummins |
11/27/2013 21:17 |
I've heard that it is unusual but I've got 2 fairly good writing jobs by answering ads #eltchat |
| mmgrinberg |
11/27/2013 21:17 |
Some many gr8 self-published books coming out nowadays #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11/27/2013 21:18 |
@HanaTicha yes why not? I know quite a few who write for intnl publishers #eltchat |
| Wiktor_K |
11/27/2013 21:18 |
@HanaTicha Yes. Editors help polish the work, but a good idea may work for natives and non-natives #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
11/27/2013 21:18 |
@HanaTicha #eltchat Absolutely. I know quite a few non native speaker authors. They often have a better insight into the students' issues. |
| naomishema |
11/27/2013 21:18 |
RT @mmgrinberg: Some many gr8 self-published books coming out nowadays #eltchat >But who uses them? |
| JoeMcVeigh |
11/27/2013 21:18 |
@teflerinha What would you call something like this? US = rubric. http://t.co/MLvG9GtP7W #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
11/27/2013 21:18 |
of course there is also the Round #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
11/27/2013 21:18 |
@HanaTicha yes esp as these days pubs need writers in local contexts #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
11/27/2013 21:18 |
@jo_cummins #eltchat Yes, and I've been offered stuff through LinkedIn as well |
| leedsacademy |
11/27/2013 21:18 |
@HanaTicha I do. Yes. I do. I'm pretty sure nobody would care where you're from if you can do a good job. #eltchat |
| naomishema |
11/27/2013 21:19 |
How important is Linkedin, would you say? @teflerinha #eltchat |
| Ezzy_Moon |
11/27/2013 21:19 |
RT @barbsaka: Are we teaching stereotypes when we teach compassion? @Ezzy_Moon http://t.co/nhevAGpo1s #eltchat #keltchat #iTDi |
| jo_cummins |
11/27/2013 21:19 |
@HanaTicha definitely if you want to write materials targeted at students from your native lang, you'd be ideal #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
11/27/2013 21:19 |
@naomishema @mmgrinberg #eltchat What about @johannastirling 's book? Though methodology not CB. |
| leedsacademy |
11/27/2013 21:19 |
@naomishema @mmgrinberg That's something I've always wondered. #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
11/27/2013 21:20 |
@JoeMcVeigh #eltchat Marking scheme? But I am a bit brain dead tonight so there may be a better word |
| idc74 |
11/27/2013 21:20 |
@HanaTicha Yes, there are lots. Non-native ELT authors that is, not sure what you'd regard as 'qualified'. #ELTchat |
| jo_cummins |
11/27/2013 21:20 |
@teflerinha I need to get on LinkedIn (not that I need more work at the mo!) #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
11/27/2013 21:21 |
@naomishema #eltchat I've been approached by chains of schools which publish rather than the bigger ELT publishers, but there is work there. |
| Ven_VVE |
11/27/2013 21:21 |
What if you have sth published locally and are wondering if it'll work internationally? EAP workbook. #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
11/27/2013 21:21 |
I get offered jobs at least 3-4 times a week on linked in #eltchat |
| naomishema |
11/27/2013 21:21 |
You have to remember that local knowledge can be imp. to LOCAL publishers, which here R off British grid #eltchat |
| JoeMcVeigh |
11/27/2013 21:21 |
ELT Teacher2 Writer has a database where you can express interest and list your credentials. http://t.co/DdeWl8Mzyq #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11/27/2013 21:21 |
#eltchat am using http://t.co/hvZzTKxsXz today - faster |
| HanaTicha |
11/27/2013 21:21 |
@idc74 By qualified I acually meant acceptable by publishers. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
11/27/2013 21:22 |
@SueAnnan jobs in general or writing? #eltchat |
| leedsacademy |
11/27/2013 21:22 |
@JoeMcVeigh So should you write a sample unit with teacher's book and send it to publishers or ...? #eltchat |
| mmgrinberg |
11/27/2013 21:22 |
@HanaTicha well I guess there are quite a few of them around. In the era of corpus linguistics the gap has been narrowing down #eltchat |
| naomishema |
11/27/2013 21:22 |
RT @SueAnnan: I get offered jobs at least 3-4 times a week on linked in #eltchat >WOW! But U R a STAR #eltchat person! |
| SueAnnan |
11/27/2013 21:22 |
@Shaunwilden bit of both #eltchat |
| JoeMcVeigh |
11/27/2013 21:22 |
@HanaTicha @idc74 The def. of "acceptable by publishers" is that they accept your proposal and offer you a job. Only way to know! #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
11/27/2013 21:23 |
@leedsacademy @JoeMcVeigh #eltchat You could send a sample unit, but if they liked it, they'd probably then offer u work on sthg else. |
| Wiktor_K |
11/27/2013 21:23 |
@naomishema Local knowledge also important for versioning titles - producing altered versions for particular markets #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
11/27/2013 21:23 |
@SueAnnan maybe i should reactivate my account then :) #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
11/27/2013 21:23 |
@naomishema No. I think it is just the contacts I seem to have on the site. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11/27/2013 21:23 |
@leedsacademy Pearson had a little booklet which tells you how to submit a proposal #eltchat |
| idc74 |
11/27/2013 21:23 |
@HanaTicha In that case, yes, lots of non-native English speakers working as writers. #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
11/27/2013 21:24 |
@Shaunwilden why not? #eltchat |
| naomishema |
11/27/2013 21:24 |
@Wiktor_K no, the publishers you know aren't sold here (almost) all local stuff. ECB books larges pub. #eltchat |
| JoeMcVeigh |
11/27/2013 21:24 |
@leedsacademy Usually best to approach pub. Express areas of interest. Follow up with resume/CV. Don't send unsolicited materials. #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
11/27/2013 21:24 |
@JoeMcVeigh @idc74 I asked because I can see lots of ELT job offers around - often exclusively for natives #eltchat r |
| Wiktor_K |
11/27/2013 21:25 |
@naomishema ...give it time :D #eltchat |
| lee_ballantyne |
11/27/2013 21:25 |
Key themes in Learning Oriented Assessment http://t.co/9BgVqYGaol #esl #elt #eltchat #edtech #eassessment |
| leedsacademy |
11/27/2013 21:25 |
@teflerinha @JoeMcVeigh All work is good work when you are trying to break into a market. #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
11/27/2013 21:25 |
what did the pres say at the w/end Shaun? #eltchat |
| naomishema |
11/27/2013 21:26 |
@Wiktor_K I have published 2 coursebooks, one successful one not. British materials not used here. #eltchat |
| idc74 |
11/27/2013 21:26 |
@HanaTicha @JoeMcVeigh From ELT publishers? That surprises me. #eltchat |
| mmgrinberg |
11/27/2013 21:27 |
@naomishema me! As more and more ppl use kindle who cares about the brand. This is esp true 4 methodology books #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
11/27/2013 21:27 |
@idc74 @JoeMcVeigh No no. Just jobs for ELT teachers. I thought there might be a parallel there #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11/27/2013 21:27 |
#eltchat I-ve published locally as well - quite successful but out of print now - mats for YL's |
| SueAnnan |
11/27/2013 21:27 |
@mmgrinberg @naomishema Yes I have some on kindle :-) #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
11/27/2013 21:27 |
@mmgrinberg @naomishema I think it's true for methodology, but doesn't yet translate to classroom materials #eltchat |
| leedsacademy |
11/27/2013 21:28 |
@JoeMcVeigh Thx. #eltchat |
| naomishema |
11/27/2013 21:28 |
RT @mmgrinberg: This is esp true 4 methodology books #eltchat > as in TS enrichment material. bit different |
| Marisa_C |
11/27/2013 21:28 |
RT @teflerinha @mmgrinberg @naomishema I think it's true for methodology, but doesn't yet translate to classroom materials #eltchat |
| JoeMcVeigh |
11/27/2013 21:29 |
Here's a review I wrote of an excellent ebook on this subject: Janet Aitchisen: How ELT Publishing Works http://t.co/EGNcCahDAh #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
11/27/2013 21:29 |
@Marisa_C Yes, the best coursebooks we've used at our school were actually published locally #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
11/27/2013 21:29 |
RT @sophie_orourke: Slides from @johnhugheselt @MaWSIG presentation http://t.co/qbs2bdRtS5 #elt #mawsig #materials #eltchat >FYI |
| Shaunwilden |
11/27/2013 21:30 |
RT @teflerinha: RT @sophie_orourke: Slides from @johnhugheselt @MaWSIG presentation http://t.co/qbs2bdRtS5 #elt #mawsig #materials #eltchat… |
| SueAnnan |
11/27/2013 21:30 |
@teflerinha @sophie_orourke @johnhugheselt @MaWSIG That was a good session #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
11/27/2013 21:31 |
#eltchat Going back 2 skills needed- willingness to have ur work pulled apart and take fb on the chin. |
| JoeMcVeigh |
11/27/2013 21:31 |
Yes, the @IATEFL @MawSIG presentation by @johnhugheselt was excellent. Recording available for IATEFL members. #eltchat |
| Ven_VVE |
11/27/2013 21:31 |
@HanaTicha @Marisa_C Do you think they would work for a wider market or were they too context-specific? #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
11/27/2013 21:32 |
#eltchat Plus ability to recognise that what would work well for you might not work everywhere. |
| naomishema |
11/27/2013 21:32 |
RT @teflerinha: #eltchat Plus ability to recognise that what would work well for you might not work everywhere. |
| Marisa_C |
11/27/2013 21:32 |
@JoeMcVeigh @IATEFL @MawSIG @johnhugheselt links pls ? if available? #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
11/27/2013 21:33 |
@Marisa_C @JoeMcVeigh @IATEFL @MawSIG @johnhugheselt Not yet available, but will be soon. #eltchat |
| JoeMcVeigh |
11/27/2013 21:33 |
These days ELT writing is a team sport. Need to play well with others. Write according to given specs. Be flexible. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11/27/2013 21:33 |
@Ven_VVE @HanaTicha I think you have to be very culturally sensitive if targeting a wider audience #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
11/27/2013 21:33 |
RT @JoeMcVeigh: These days ELT writing is a team sport. Need to play well with others. Write according to given specs. Be flexible. #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
11/27/2013 21:33 |
@Marisa_C @JoeMcVeigh @IATEFL @MawSIG @johnhugheselt ..though just tweeted link to slides and tweets #eltchat |
| leedsacademy |
11/27/2013 21:33 |
@teflerinha 1 thing I really remember from wshop was how measuring Ss time spent with heads up VS heads down evaluatse materials. #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
11/27/2013 21:34 |
@leedsacademy #eltchat Yes it was a lovely visual way of looking at it. |
| Marisa_C |
11/27/2013 21:34 |
@leedsacademy good comment #eltchat a bit rough and ready but a good reminder :-) |
| HanaTicha |
11/27/2013 21:35 |
@Marisa_C @Ven_VVE Agree. And not all countries have the same objectives when teaching English. Important when designing CBs. #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
11/27/2013 21:35 |
#eltchat Work well to deadlines and be prepared to work 'overtime' if necessary |
| leedsacademy |
11/27/2013 21:36 |
@Marisa_C @Ven_VVE I think that must be the hardest part. What works for one culture may be completely unacceptable elsewhere #eltchat |
| Wiktor_K |
11/27/2013 21:36 |
2 things that may help sell a book (and an idea): first is willingness to travel / talk / promote it with publishers #eltchat ("overtime") |
| naomishema |
11/27/2013 21:36 |
Here reading comp. and now HOTS are very emphasized, speaking not as much #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
11/27/2013 21:36 |
RT @iatefl_besig: next workshop is "Usng technlgy + online resources for materials writing" on 1 Dec http://t.co/UGEvyLVOqW #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
11/27/2013 21:36 |
@leedsacademy @Marisa_C @Ven_VVE #eltchat Hence the dreaded PARSNIPS |
| JoeMcVeigh |
11/27/2013 21:36 |
@naomishema HOTS? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
11/27/2013 21:36 |
@teflerinha and don't argue with the editors too much #eltchat |
| Ven_VVE |
11/27/2013 21:37 |
@HanaTicha @Marisa_C True. Have some mats published which I think might work for a wider audience. Wondered how to check. #eltchat |
| naomishema |
11/27/2013 21:37 |
RT @JoeMcVeigh: @naomishema HOTS? #eltchat Higher Order Thinking Skills. we have to include it |
| Marisa_C |
11/27/2013 21:37 |
@Shaunwilden I have heard horror stories abt certain editors and hymns abt others - need to be lucky #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
11/27/2013 21:37 |
@Shaunwilden #eltchat Yes, definitely need to build a good relationship with the editor even if it means biting your tongue (not current!) |
| leedsacademy |
11/27/2013 21:37 |
@HanaTicha @Marisa_C @Ven_VVE Some teaching cultures don't really value materials which are 'too' inductive in their approach. #eltchat |
| JoeMcVeigh |
11/27/2013 21:38 |
@HanaTicha @naomishema ah "critical thinking" in AmEng. #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
11/27/2013 21:38 |
@Marisa_C @Shaunwilden #eltchat Yes, definitely. Have mostly been lucky, but have one horror story. |
| naomishema |
11/27/2013 21:38 |
@JoeMcVeigh @HanaTicha We have to teach LIt through it! #eltchat |
| leedsacademy |
11/27/2013 21:39 |
@Ven_VVE @HanaTicha @Marisa_C send them to me, I'll try them in my school and let you know. :) #eltchat |
| JoeMcVeigh |
11/27/2013 21:39 |
@teflerinha @Shaunwilden But sometimes the more demanding editors produce better books than the nice ones. But both is best. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
11/27/2013 21:39 |
@teflerinha @Marisa_C i found them daunting at first but part of that was not fully knowing what was expected #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
11/27/2013 21:39 |
@JoeMcVeigh @Shaunwilden #eltchat Demanding is fine- not knowing your a**e from your elbow, on the other hand... |
| Ven_VVE |
11/27/2013 21:40 |
@leedsacademy @HanaTicha @Marisa_C Thanks! They're for EAP though. That might be a problem. :) #eltchat |
| JoeMcVeigh |
11/27/2013 21:41 |
My advice: don't wait until you think you're ready. Just plunge in and get started. Don't wait for perfect opportunity/time/job. #eltchat |
| leedsacademy |
11/27/2013 21:42 |
@Ven_VVE Oooops. Yeah. Sorry. :( #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
11/27/2013 21:42 |
@JoeMcVeigh #eltchat Agree. You will learn a lot with every job you do. That's one of the pleasures. |
| naomishema |
11/27/2013 21:42 |
RT @teflerinha: @JoeMcVeigh #eltchat Agree. You will learn a lot with every job you do. That's one of the pleasures. |
| Wiktor_K |
11/27/2013 21:42 |
How does #eltchat see the ELT writers' jobs and conditions in the future? Bearing in mind that today's ideas may be published in 5 years? |
| Marisa_C |
11/27/2013 21:42 |
@JoeMcVeigh indeed - you better by doing it not just thinking about it :-) #eltchat |
| josipa74 |
11/27/2013 21:43 |
@teflerinha "Demanding is fine- not knowing your a**e from your elbow, on the other hand.." This could be 50% of elt management #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
11/27/2013 21:43 |
@Wiktor_K #eltchat Not much on the fame and fortune front I fear, unless it's through self publishing. Larger teams, less money. |
| Marisa_C |
11/27/2013 21:43 |
@Wiktor_K good question - big publishers plan veeery long term - but there are smaller more flexible pubs too #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
11/27/2013 21:44 |
@josipa74 #eltchat LOL Yes, you're right and it's similarly frustrating! |
| HanaTicha |
11/27/2013 21:46 |
@teflerinha @Wiktor_K But I think it's better to work in a team. Someone checks on you :-) #eltchat |
| idc74 |
11/27/2013 21:46 |
@Wiktor_K Awareness of how digital materials are used in ELT classrooms will be essential. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
11/27/2013 21:46 |
@HanaTicha @teflerinha @Wiktor_K yes its good to be able bounce ideas off people #eltchat |
| Ven_VVE |
11/27/2013 21:47 |
@HanaTicha @teflerinha @Wiktor_K #eltchat Working in a team is definitely easier. |
| SueAnnan |
11/27/2013 21:47 |
RT @teacherphili: Intrstng to see how cbk used in class: heads up/heads down - with @johnhugheselt #MaWSIG http://t.co/aaBzQaEVU4 #eltchat |
| Wiktor_K |
11/27/2013 21:47 |
@Marisa_C @teflerinha True that - 1 last question - would today's wannabe writers still think in terms of print and paper? #eltchat |
| nutrich |
11/27/2013 21:48 |
@Wiktor_K publishers will be cutting the length of time it takes to get a product out. Product life cycles are getting shorter. #eltchat |
| publishliaison |
11/27/2013 21:49 |
RT @teflerinha: @Wiktor_K #eltchat Not much on the fame and fortune front I fear, unless it's through self publishing. Larger teams, less m… |
| Marisa_C |
11/27/2013 21:49 |
@Wiktor_K personally, I think there are still markets that will rely heavily on print copies for quite a while #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
11/27/2013 21:49 |
@nutrich @Wiktor_K gives them a chance to put out mark 2 #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
11/27/2013 21:49 |
@Ven_VVE @teflerinha @Wiktor_K Especially when you team up with someone who compements you (creative & precise) #eltchat |
| leedsacademy |
11/27/2013 21:49 |
@idc74 @Wiktor_K yeah, i think a lot of coursebooks (at least from the big pubs) will want large interactive portions #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
11/27/2013 21:49 |
RT @Marisa_C: @Wiktor_K personally, I think there are still markets that will rely heavily on print copies for quite a while #eltchat |
| naomishema |
11/27/2013 21:49 |
@nutrich @Wiktor_K Doesn't that mean publishers will be willing to invest less funds for writers? #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
11/27/2013 21:50 |
@Ven_VVE @HanaTicha @Wiktor_K #eltchat Not if team consists of 100 authors all doing something discrete- 1 pub's vision |
| idc74 |
11/27/2013 21:50 |
@Marisa_C @Wiktor_K @Shaunwilden Agree, but the growth and opportunities are in digital: apps and eBooks at present #eltchat |
| Wiktor_K |
11/27/2013 21:50 |
@naomishema @nutrich There could be lots of long-term investment in fewer product lines. But honestly, still anyone's guess #eltchat |
| nutrich |
11/27/2013 21:50 |
RT @Shaunwilden: @teflerinha and don't argue with the editors too much #eltchat > haha! Pick your battles. Lots of compromise. |
| teflerinha |
11/27/2013 21:50 |
RT @Marisa_C: @Wiktor_K personally, I think there are still markets that will rely heavily on print copies for quite a while #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
11/27/2013 21:51 |
@idc74 @Wiktor_K #eltchat Aha- quick plug for #MaWSIG's IATEFL PCE on Writing for Digital? |
| Ven_VVE |
11/27/2013 21:51 |
@teflerinha @HanaTicha @Wiktor_K #eltchat No, guess not. But that wasn't what I had in mind. :) |
| teflerinha |
11/27/2013 21:51 |
#eltchat Tweetdeck stopped working for me, so all over the place now.. |
| Wiktor_K |
11/27/2013 21:52 |
@teflerinha @idc74 Not intended...but it's nice when things work out :D #eltchat |
| TailormadeEng |
11/27/2013 21:52 |
@idc74 Worth remembering state sector - in a lot of countries little access to tech, and it's a huge market #eltchat |
| nutrich |
11/27/2013 21:52 |
RT @teflerinha: @idc74 @Wiktor_K #eltchat Aha- quick plug for #MaWSIG's IATEFL PCE on Writing for Digital? |
| teflerinha |
11/27/2013 21:52 |
@Ven_VVE @HanaTicha @Wiktor_K Small team can b gr8 if you work well together #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
11/27/2013 21:52 |
RT @TailormadeEng: @idc74 Worth remembering state sector - in a lot of countries little access to tech, and it's a huge market #eltchat |
| nutrich |
11/27/2013 21:53 |
RT @Marisa_C: @Wiktor_K I think there are still markets that will rely heavily on print copies for quite a while #eltchat > yes |
| SueAnnan |
11/27/2013 21:53 |
@teflerinha IATEFL BESIG doing similar this weekend #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
11/27/2013 21:53 |
RT @SueAnnan: @teflerinha IATEFL BESIG doing similar this weekend #eltchat |
| nutrich |
11/27/2013 21:53 |
RT @idc74: @Marisa_C @Wiktor_K @Shaunwilden Agree, but the growth and opportunities are in digital: apps and eBooks at present #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
11/27/2013 21:53 |
@SueAnnan @teflerinha as webinar? #eltchat |
| idc74 |
11/27/2013 21:54 |
@teflerinha @Ven_VVE @HanaTicha @Wiktor_K Sounds like a modern factory assembly line (with bored, demotivated workers!) #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
11/27/2013 21:54 |
@Shaunwilden @teflerinha http://t.co/UGEvyLVOqW #eltchat |
| Wiktor_K |
11/27/2013 21:54 |
@idc74 @teflerinha @Ven_VVE @HanaTicha No, it's actually fun when it works - trick is to feel team spirit "online" at all times #eltchat |
| nutrich |
11/27/2013 21:54 |
@naomishema @Wiktor_K there will be fewer writers getting royalties. #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
11/27/2013 21:55 |
@idc74 @Ven_VVE @HanaTicha @Wiktor_K #eltchat precisely- and an assumption that the work is unskilled, which I don't (obv) agree with |
| SueAnnan |
11/27/2013 21:55 |
@Shaunwilden it won't interfere with the IH weekend, on Sunday :-) #eltchat |
| JoeMcVeigh |
11/27/2013 21:55 |
@idc74 Publishing is a business and operates with business principles. Sometimes a shock to the system for those of us from ed. bkg #eltchat |
| nutrich |
11/27/2013 21:55 |
RT @leedsacademy: @idc74 @Wiktor_K yeah, a lot of coursebooks will want large interactive portions #eltchat > they won't sell without |
| Shaunwilden |
11/27/2013 21:55 |
@SueAnnan @teflerinha oo it starts just after I finish one for the LTSIG #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
11/27/2013 21:56 |
@SueAnnan but am doing a webinar as well as the IH event! #eltchat |
| elmasitaa |
11/27/2013 21:56 |
RT @Marisa_C: # ELTchat of 20th November 2013: Teaching Grammar at (zero) Beginner Level: First #ELTchat of 20 th November ... http://t.co… |
| nutrich |
11/27/2013 21:56 |
@SueAnnan @Wiktor_K yes. Updates/ new versions will come out faster #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
11/27/2013 21:57 |
@nutrich @Wiktor_K things are dating faster with all the new tech too #eltchat |
| Wiktor_K |
11/27/2013 21:57 |
#eltchat - gotta run - but v. interested in topic as working for UK ELT publisher. PM me if want to talk about it. Zero promises, obvs. |
| Marisa_C |
11/27/2013 21:57 |
RT @SueAnnan: @nutrich @Wiktor_K things are dating faster with all the new tech too #eltchat |
| nutrich |
11/27/2013 21:58 |
@SueAnnan @Wiktor_K possibly less likely to have long term investment due to greater risk. #eltchat |
| leedsacademy |
11/27/2013 21:58 |
@nutrich @idc74 @Wiktor_K I agree. Even though there's a huge market still for paper books, it's the extras that make the diff. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11/27/2013 21:58 |
Well before you all disappear into the sunset - may I ask if we have a volunteer for this summary? #eltchat 2 mins to go |
| Shaunwilden |
11/27/2013 21:59 |
RT @Marisa_C: Well before you all disappear into the sunset - may I ask if we have a volunteer for this summary? #eltchat 2 mins to go |
| SueAnnan |
11/27/2013 21:59 |
@Marisa_C please may I be excused? LOL #eltchat |
| nutrich |
11/27/2013 21:59 |
RT @SueAnnan: @nutrich @Wiktor_K things dating faster with new tech too #eltchat > indeed, but easier to update digital faster than print |
| Marisa_C |
11/27/2013 22:00 |
RT @SueAnnan: @Marisa_C please may I be excused? LOL #eltchat > not only excused but banned for at least two weeks - have a rest!!!! |
| SueAnnan |
11/27/2013 22:00 |
@Marisa_C sounds good, although I AM on holiday :-) #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
11/27/2013 22:00 |
@Marisa_C #eltchat Just can't! Under relentless deadline pressure at the moment- guilted into coming tonight (though I enjoyed it!) |
| Shaunwilden |
11/27/2013 22:00 |
Well thanks to all for joining #eltchat, if anyone fancies writing the summary… |
| Wiktor_K |
11/27/2013 22:01 |
I can do it if nobody else will. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
11/27/2013 22:01 |
@Wiktor_K thanks :-) #eltchat |
| naomishema |
11/27/2013 22:01 |
Good night #eltchat |
| JoeMcVeigh |
11/27/2013 22:01 |
Thanks, everyone, for a lovely discussion. #eltchat |
| Wiktor_K |
11/27/2013 22:01 |
@Shaunwilden no problem :) I shall check FB page for transcript? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11/27/2013 22:01 |
@Wiktor_K Fantastic! will get you the transcript very soon #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
11/27/2013 22:02 |
Good night. Thanks everyone for another lovely chat. #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
11/27/2013 22:02 |
goodnight. Thanks everyone- great chat. Excellent mods as always #eltchat catch up at w/end Shaun |
| Shaunwilden |
11/27/2013 22:02 |
@Wiktor_K @Marisa_C we'll tweet you the link once we have it #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11/27/2013 22:02 |
@teflerinha no worries another time :-) great to have you back after a while #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
11/27/2013 22:02 |
#eltchat Thanks everyone. And I do recommend joining #MaWSIG if you write or want to get into writing- or at least check out our FB page. |
| Wiktor_K |
11/27/2013 22:02 |
Good stuff. Enjoy the weekend / conference everyone :) #eltchat |
| HanaTicha |
11/27/2013 22:03 |
RT @teflerinha: #eltchat Thanks everyone. And I do recommend joining #MaWSIG if you write or want to get into writing- or at least check ou… |
| Ven_VVE |
11/27/2013 22:03 |
Thanks everyone, interesting chat. Very interested in this topic! #eltchat |
| nmkrobinson |
11/27/2013 22:03 |
RT @teflerinha: #eltchat Thanks everyone. And I do recommend joining #MaWSIG if you write or want to get into writing- or at least check ou… |
| Marisa_C |
11/27/2013 22:03 |
Thanks to all for joining - #eltchat some good ideas and links to explore - transcript up soon |
| nutrich |
11/27/2013 22:04 |
RT @teflerinha: #eltchat Thanks everyone. And I do recommend joining #MaWSIG if you write or want to get into writing- or at least check ou… |
| leedsacademy |
11/27/2013 22:04 |
Thanks everybody #eltchat for another interesting discussion. I'm really glad I stumbled in here last week. My new Wednesday 'thing'! :) |
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