| username |
utc date |
status |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
11/13/2013 11:43 |
What's the ELT Chat topic today. Not my day for tech, couldn't find it. #eltchat |
| teacherkristina |
11/13/2013 11:47 |
@MarjorieRosenbe the lexical approach for noon, I think #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
11/13/2013 12:01 |
It’s 12, hello #eltchat |
| teacherkristina |
11/13/2013 12:02 |
hi #ELTchat, I don't know much about the lexical approach, so I'll be lurking and learning :) |
| Shaunwilden |
11/13/2013 12:03 |
@teacherkristina there you Kristina :-) http://t.co/OBbbKsXvyt #eltchat |
| teacherkristina |
11/13/2013 12:05 |
@Shaunwilden #ELTchat thanks Shaun, that's fab! |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
11/13/2013 12:05 |
Just looked up defintion as I heard Michael Lewis years ago but have forgotten lots of what he said. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11/13/2013 12:05 |
Hi everyone and weolcome to #ELTchat - talking about the Lexical Approach today :-) |
| Shaunwilden |
11/13/2013 12:05 |
RT @Marisa_C: Hi everyone and weolcome to #ELTchat - talking about the Lexical Approach today :-) |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
11/13/2013 12:05 |
Does anyone use the lexical approach by itself? #eltchat |
| teacherkristina |
11/13/2013 12:06 |
@Shaunwilden #ELTchat Judging by the age of the articles, was it a bit of a fad in the 1990s? |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
11/13/2013 12:06 |
Hi everyone. good to be here again. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11/13/2013 12:06 |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: Does anyone use the lexical approach by itself? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
11/13/2013 12:07 |
@teacherkristina It certainly got popular then though i think its still followed by many #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
11/13/2013 12:07 |
@teacherkristina I would hesitate to call the LA a 'fad' - a well documented approach #eltchat with a theory of language, and lang learning |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
11/13/2013 12:08 |
@Shaunwilden @teacherkristina Would be interesting to hear how. #eltchat |
| teacherkristina |
11/13/2013 12:08 |
@Shaunwilden #eltchat alright, I've got to look into it, thanks! |
| KateLloyd05 |
11/13/2013 12:09 |
@MarjorieRosenbe #eltchat Is it possible to do by itself? I always considered it to be a different way to look at teaching vocabulary. |
| teacherkristina |
11/13/2013 12:09 |
@Marisa_C #eltchat I'll certainly look it up |
| Marisa_C |
11/13/2013 12:10 |
Here is a good introductory article http://t.co/XkeL1x6f1M #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
11/13/2013 12:10 |
Also has dangers. On an afternoon of CAE testing I think we heard same phrases (language chunks) from every candidate. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11/13/2013 12:10 |
And the flipside article "my godbye to the lexical approach" http://t.co/gXroTVzqbM #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
11/13/2013 12:11 |
@teacherkristina It certainly influenced me around the mid-nineties, though by mid noughts i was more influenced by work of Hoey #ELTchat |
| idc74 |
11/13/2013 12:11 |
@MarjorieRosenbe Hugh Dellar lectured on Rethinking Grammar.Essentially Lex Approach. I blogged a summary: http://t.co/2X3MlyFfg0 #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11/13/2013 12:11 |
@MarjorieRosenbe Gd point Marjorie but also true of teaching exponents to various functions - a teaching prob not of the approach #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11/13/2013 12:13 |
Two more short posts from BC site 1/ http://t.co/JScKqogtJi 2/ http://t.co/DfdznX6zUV #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
11/13/2013 12:13 |
@Marisa_C True but where does spontaneity and thinking on your feet come in? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11/13/2013 12:15 |
@MarjorieRosenbe well, that goes back to the good old debate - to teach or not to teach grammar #eltchat grammar more generative ? |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
11/13/2013 12:15 |
Can anyone use just one appraoch? Shouldn't we mix them in the classroom? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
11/13/2013 12:15 |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: Can anyone use just one appraoch? Shouldn't we mix them in the classroom? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
11/13/2013 12:16 |
@MarjorieRosenbe absolutely, take the best bits of each as our sts need #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
11/13/2013 12:17 |
I think whatever one does choose to use some of the LA tools excellent for all types of lessons - using corpora and concordancers #eltchat |
| textivate |
11/13/2013 12:18 |
VIDEO TUTORIALS http://t.co/0JFyDxVCkc #edtech #langchat #eltchat #mfltwitterati |
| DavidHarbinson |
11/13/2013 12:18 |
@MarjorieRosenbe in Korea a lot of my Ss memorize patterns from pattern books - chunks - and to me it sounds very unnatural #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
11/13/2013 12:18 |
@Marisa_C Had totally fun 'grammar lesson' yesterday with mobile phone pics, PW and then music. Sts loved it! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11/13/2013 12:18 |
Here is a great TT video on how to use the COCA http://t.co/GKBNflCnKw #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11/13/2013 12:19 |
@MarjorieRosenbe they usually do - Ss and Ts love PPP and then they can't use the lang in the real world if this only approach #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
11/13/2013 12:19 |
@DavidHarbinson Exactly as it was at CAE - Everyone said 'I couldn't agree with you more.' Seemed to be only known phrase. #eltchat |
| teacherkristina |
11/13/2013 12:20 |
@Marisa_C #eltchat do you incorporate corpora into the class? Isn't that quite challenging for sts who are not linguists? |
| Shaunwilden |
11/13/2013 12:20 |
@Marisa_C @MarjorieRosenbe Are you saying PPP never works then ;-) #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11/13/2013 12:21 |
RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C @MarjorieRosenbe Are you saying PPP never works then ;-) #eltchat > Not if only method used - No |
| idc74 |
11/13/2013 12:21 |
Very true, not one approach over another. "@MarjorieRosenbe: Can anyone use just one appraoch? Shouldn't we mix them in classroom? #eltchat" |
| teacherkristina |
11/13/2013 12:21 |
@Marisa_C #eltchat, oh, just seen the video link :-) |
| Marisa_C |
11/13/2013 12:21 |
@teacherkristina It is challenging to use any online tools - Ss need to be trained - so do Ts #eltchat :-) |
| Marisa_C |
11/13/2013 12:22 |
RT @DavidHarbinson: @teacherkristina @Marisa_C here's another post by @chiasuan on using COCA in the class #eltchat thx David |
| DavidHarbinson |
11/13/2013 12:23 |
@teacherkristina @Marisa_C here's another post by @chiasuan on using COCA in the class http://t.co/MGh1YGU382 #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
11/13/2013 12:25 |
@teacherkristina @Marisa_C I gave sts in CAE prep the link to the EVP http://t.co/bzuRoEvJy6 Can check their level on their own #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11/13/2013 12:27 |
Let's talk a bit about some typical classroom activities associated with LA - am sure most of u use them #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11/13/2013 12:27 |
Do you use collocation grids? #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
11/13/2013 12:28 |
@Marisa_C Would be interested in hearing what they are. #eltchat |
| DavidHarbinson |
11/13/2013 12:28 |
@Marisa_C I've never tried collocation grids. Do you have an example?#eltchat |
| teacherkristina |
11/13/2013 12:28 |
@Marisa_C #eltchat uuuh, not familiar with the term |
| Shaunwilden |
11/13/2013 12:29 |
@Marisa_C They were all the rage in course book once :-) #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
11/13/2013 12:29 |
@teacherkristina @DavidHarbinson will look for one #eltchat |
| KateLloyd05 |
11/13/2013 12:30 |
@Marisa_C Also interested in know what they are #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
11/13/2013 12:30 |
@teacherkristina a chart the sts could tick if the collocation worked i.e. on the left have make / do across the top activities #ELTchat |
| teacherkristina |
11/13/2013 12:31 |
@Shaunwilden #ELTchat ah, yes, I've used those |
| Marisa_C |
11/13/2013 12:32 |
@teacherkristina @Shaunwilden @DavidHarbinson here is an example http://t.co/nXeXPXpgT2 #eltchat |
| DavidHarbinson |
11/13/2013 12:32 |
@Shaunwilden Ah yes, I know what you mean. Used them just once. I think the vocab was too difficult for my Ss that time. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11/13/2013 12:33 |
Here is another link from onestopenglish http://t.co/Q3qE0iLAMc #eltchat |
| DavidHarbinson |
11/13/2013 12:33 |
Has anyone had much success with collocation grids? The time I used them Ss either ticked all or almost none of the words #eltchat |
| teacherkristina |
11/13/2013 12:34 |
@Marisa_C Great! I find them highly useful, also as a learner myself #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11/13/2013 12:34 |
Same time of exercise can be done as a matching - spaghetti - exercise #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
11/13/2013 12:35 |
I was trying to think of a book that I used way back that was heavy on the grids but found it now #ELTchat http://t.co/Q2AfCsll0m |
| Marisa_C |
11/13/2013 12:35 |
@Shaunwilden classic book for componential and collocation grids #eltchat |
| teacherkristina |
11/13/2013 12:35 |
@DavidHarbinson #eltchat it's tricky for a learner to see which collocation fits or doesn't, because it's a habit of the user? |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
11/13/2013 12:35 |
@Shaunwilden @teacherkristina Can help visual/analytic sts to organise collocations-need to get them off page & use them though. #eltchat |
| KateLloyd05 |
11/13/2013 12:35 |
@Marisa_C Interesting activity. They'd need a dictionary, I guess #eltchat |
| DavidHarbinson |
11/13/2013 12:36 |
@KateLloyd05 @Marisa_C or perhaps a perfect time to introduce COCA? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11/13/2013 12:36 |
@KateLloyd05 depends whether you use known or unknown vocabulary #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11/13/2013 12:37 |
@DavidHarbinson @KateLloyd05 great point - they can check against COCA ! #eltchat YES! |
| Shaunwilden |
11/13/2013 12:37 |
@KateLloyd05 @Marisa_C Yes lovely for a bit self-directed work, give ‘em a gird some dictionaries and let ‘em work in groups :-) #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11/13/2013 12:39 |
Can i suggest having another look at @leoselivan 's article? http://t.co/8NugrkBCQl #eltchat and wikipedia? http://t.co/xo4lHedpsV #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
11/13/2013 12:39 |
I do a kinesthetic gap text with collocations-words on cards, match & fill gap. #eltchat |
| DavidHarbinson |
11/13/2013 12:40 |
RT @Marisa_C: Can i suggest having another look at @leoselivan 's article? http://t.co/8NugrkBCQl #eltchat and wikipedia? http://t.co/xo4lH… |
| Shaunwilden |
11/13/2013 12:40 |
@MarjorieRosenbe Sounds like a lot of prep #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
11/13/2013 12:41 |
Is Twitter at snail's pace for anyone else? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11/13/2013 12:41 |
One of the basic tenets is that lang can be acquired thru text, spoken or written, in context #eltchat |
| michaelegriffin |
11/13/2013 12:41 |
RT @Marisa_C: Can i suggest having another look at @leoselivan 's article? http://t.co/8NugrkBCQl #eltchat and wikipedia? http://t.co/xo4lH… |
| KateLloyd05 |
11/13/2013 12:42 |
@Marisa_C @leoselivan Didn't realise Dave Willis had died. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11/13/2013 12:42 |
And that Ss should be invited to notice how language operates in context - the OBSERVE, HYPOTHESIZE - EXPERIMENT paradigm #eltchat |
| sarwendah |
11/13/2013 12:42 |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: Can anyone use just one appraoch? Shouldn't we mix them in the classroom? #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
11/13/2013 12:43 |
@Shaunwilden Did some and then published them. But use them over and over. #eltchat |
| KateLloyd05 |
11/13/2013 12:45 |
The Outcomes books deal with lang. lexically. Find collocations in text then use in speaking. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11/13/2013 12:47 |
@KateLloyd05 true some new books do have this an inbult feature in their design tho grammar still a big part #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
11/13/2013 12:48 |
Good reason to watch TV or films or use Vicki's clips http://t.co/HyP1j41Qv8 #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
11/13/2013 12:49 |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: Good reason to watch TV or films or use Vicki's clips http://t.co/HyP1j41Qv8 #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11/13/2013 12:51 |
The basic methodology of the LA is not very different from TBL #eltchat |
| deannamascle |
11/13/2013 12:51 |
Radical Idea: What if we stopped teaching writing? | Metawriting http://t.co/dvboXeoFG9 #ELTchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
11/13/2013 12:51 |
Last post took 5 mins - about to give up. Have a good afternoon all. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11/13/2013 12:52 |
@MarjorieRosenbe perhaps we should be using twubs - or tweetchat - easier than tweetdeck for many #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11/13/2013 12:54 |
#Eltchat seems to have stopped - ppl having tweetdeck issues ? |
| teacherkristina |
11/13/2013 12:54 |
@Marisa_C #ELTchat slow, but not too bad here |
| Marisa_C |
11/13/2013 12:55 |
well just before we all disappear - anyone interested in doing a summary on the Lexical approach? #eltchat |
| teacherkristina |
11/13/2013 12:56 |
I volunteer summary writing #ELTchat - can try and get my head round it |
| KateLloyd05 |
11/13/2013 12:56 |
@Marisa_C New to all of this, don't know what Tweetdeck is or if it's got issues #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
11/13/2013 12:56 |
@Marisa_C Last post took 5 mins. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11/13/2013 12:57 |
@KateLloyd05 tweetdech is an app that shows your tweets in a diff way #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11/13/2013 12:57 |
@teacherkristina wonderful - will get you to learn a lot more about this!! :-) #eltchat |
| teacherkristina |
11/13/2013 12:58 |
@Marisa_C #ELTchat exactly, and useful for my MEd course - corpus linguistics looming on the reading horizone |
| teacherkristina |
11/13/2013 13:00 |
thanks #ELTchat, I might actually manage the later chat today. |
| KateLloyd05 |
11/13/2013 13:00 |
@Marisa_C I'll check it out. All got to start somewhere. Thanks. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
11/13/2013 13:01 |
@KateLloyd05 Great there;s a tweetdeck extension for chrome that works pretty well actually #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
11/13/2013 13:02 |
Tonight is How do we actually know our ELT instruction was successful, apart from test results &other kinds of measurable evidence?#eltchat |
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