username |
utc date |
status |
SueAnnan |
10/30/2013 21:00 |
evening everyone #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
10/30/2013 21:01 |
@SueAnnan evening #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
10/30/2013 21:01 |
Wherever you are in the world, it's #eltchat o'clock! |
Marisa_C |
10/30/2013 21:02 |
@SueAnnan @theteacherjames @Shaunwilden Evening all and welcome to co-moderators & friends - join us on #eltchat now |
SueAnnan |
10/30/2013 21:02 |
@Shaunwilden Hi Shaun and James #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
10/30/2013 21:03 |
how did the lunchtime discussion go? #eltchat |
josipa74 |
10/30/2013 21:03 |
hi everyone #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
10/30/2013 21:04 |
@theteacherjames What's the topic? #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
10/30/2013 21:04 |
@SueAnnan Great discussion Sue - we talked about TBL mainly - what would u like to talk about? TBLS, LA? #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
10/30/2013 21:04 |
@SueAnnan its was busy and mainly about tbl #eltchat |
bnleez |
10/30/2013 21:04 |
Top story: #ELTchat » Dave Willis – Commemorative #ELTchat on October 30, 2103 http://t.co/kLAoqrecNw, see more http://t.co/z6rMc7K7eN |
Marisa_C |
10/30/2013 21:05 |
@josipa74 @MarjorieRosenbe Hi and welcome - @bnleez too thanks for link #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
10/30/2013 21:05 |
@Marisa_C both are important. I love TBL because students feel empowered #eltchat |
atiyilmaz |
10/30/2013 21:05 |
RT @ShellTerrell: 10 Songs to Teach Past Simple and Past Continuous Tense http://t.co/ZmgLJSDFqT ~ @evab2001 #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
10/30/2013 21:05 |
RT @bnleez: Top story: #ELTchat » Dave Willis – Commemorative #ELTchat on October 30, 2103 http://t.co/kLAoqrecNw, see more http://t.co/z6r… |
theteacherjames |
10/30/2013 21:05 |
@Marisa_C @SueAnnan @Shaunwilden Good afternoon to you all. #ELTchat |
HanaTicha |
10/30/2013 21:05 |
Hi. Couldn't resist joining for the 2nd time today :-) #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
10/30/2013 21:06 |
Here is the link to the lunchtime transcript http://t.co/hL9FCdtBmz #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
10/30/2013 21:06 |
@HanaTicha addict :-) #eltchat |
MicaelaCarey |
10/30/2013 21:06 |
Hi everyone. Time for another #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
10/30/2013 21:06 |
@HanaTicha great weolcome back! #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
10/30/2013 21:06 |
@Marisa_C thanks. will have a look later #eltchat |
HanaTicha |
10/30/2013 21:06 |
@Shaunwilden Definitely, addicted to #eltchat :-) |
Marisa_C |
10/30/2013 21:06 |
@MicaelaCarey Hey Micaela good to see u #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
10/30/2013 21:06 |
@MarjorieRosenbe it's part two of our tribute to Dave Willis - tbl and lexical approach. #ELTChat |
Marisa_C |
10/30/2013 21:08 |
Would anyone like to kick off with a quick outline of TBL perhaps? #eltchat tho looks like friends here already familiar |
HanaTicha |
10/30/2013 21:08 |
Ok. I've always been a fan of lex approach as opposed to strict grammar vs vocab dichotomy #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
10/30/2013 21:09 |
Has anyone used the English Vocabulary Profile? Very helpful for vocab organised by CEFR levels. #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
10/30/2013 21:09 |
RT @HanaTicha: Ok. I've always been a fan of lex approach as opposed to strict grammar vs vocab dichotomy #eltchat |
MicaelaCarey |
10/30/2013 21:09 |
You too @Marisa_C and good to be here #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
10/30/2013 21:09 |
I enjoy using Penny Ur's book 'Discussions that work' for TBL stuff #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
10/30/2013 21:10 |
@MarjorieRosenbe No never used it #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
10/30/2013 21:10 |
@SueAnnan Why's that then? #eltchat |
josipa74 |
10/30/2013 21:10 |
@HanaTicha me too! Much more conducive to natural learning of the language #eltchat |
HanaTicha |
10/30/2013 21:10 |
@josipa74 Yes! That's how kids acquire languages. #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
10/30/2013 21:11 |
@Shaunwilden there are some good problem solving exercises which are not dependent on level, so work well with mixed classes #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
10/30/2013 21:12 |
@SueAnnan agree it's got some really good activs - my fave is the zoo layout have used it for speaking and writing lessons #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
10/30/2013 21:12 |
@SueAnnan aha i see thats the book with thee bloody zoo thing isn't it #eltchat |
pjgallantry |
10/30/2013 21:12 |
#ELTchat hello and good evening all :) |
SueAnnan |
10/30/2013 21:12 |
@Marisa_C yes. me too. It works well when coupled with a discussion about Durell ( based here) #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
10/30/2013 21:13 |
@Marisa_C @SueAnnan nooo not the zoo puzzle, not that it bad just seen it too many times :-) #eltchat |
josipa74 |
10/30/2013 21:13 |
My problem w/TBL is that there's not so many resources - compared to drowning in 5-minute activites or gap-fills #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
10/30/2013 21:13 |
@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C :-) #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
10/30/2013 21:14 |
RT @SueAnnan: I enjoy using Penny Ur's book 'Discussions that work' for TBL stuff #eltchat |
naomishema |
10/30/2013 21:14 |
Hi #eltchat! Sorry I'm late. I'll just be lurking tonight. |
SueAnnan |
10/30/2013 21:15 |
there's a really old book called Ideas which has some cool stuff for TBL too. One is an island called Panglossia which finds oil #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
10/30/2013 21:15 |
@Shaunwilden @SueAnnan i use it to get them to do some writing - kids write to animal agony aunts and adults zookeper memos #eltchat |
pjgallantry |
10/30/2013 21:16 |
@SueAnnan vaguely recall that - V old book! :) #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
10/30/2013 21:16 |
@naomishema Hay Naomi great to see u welcome - lurk all u want #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
10/30/2013 21:16 |
RT @pjgallantry: @SueAnnan vaguely recall that - V old book! :) #ELTchat > he he |
SueAnnan |
10/30/2013 21:16 |
@Marisa_C @pjgallantry I did say it was old :-) #eltchat |
MicaelaCarey |
10/30/2013 21:17 |
TBL and lexical approach work very well with young learners- with adults too- but esp with YLs #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
10/30/2013 21:18 |
@Marisa_C @pjgallantry @SueAnnan but of course it's not the book / activity but the framework you use it in ;-) #eltchat |
pjgallantry |
10/30/2013 21:18 |
@SueAnnan @marisa_c I think I used it during my v first year of teaching - which was 20 years ago last week! #ELTchat |
SueAnnan |
10/30/2013 21:19 |
@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C @pjgallantry sure. but it is nice to have material to develop sometimes #eltchat |
HanaTicha |
10/30/2013 21:19 |
As for LA, do you analyze chunks at some point after having taught them or do you strictly stick to LA in its pure form? #eltchat |
pjgallantry |
10/30/2013 21:20 |
@SueAnnan @shaunwilden @marisa_c absolutely! #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
10/30/2013 21:21 |
@HanaTicha I use nothing in its pure form or any approach wholesale so, sometimes yes other times no #ELTchat |
pjgallantry |
10/30/2013 21:22 |
“@Marisa_C: @HanaTicha I use nothing in its pure form or any approach wholesale so, sometimes yes other times no #ELTchat”< same here |
Shaunwilden |
10/30/2013 21:22 |
RT @Marisa_C: @HanaTicha I use nothing in its pure form or any approach wholesale so, sometimes yes other times no #ELTchat |
HanaTicha |
10/30/2013 21:22 |
@Marisa_C Agree. There's no point with very young learners anyway #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
10/30/2013 21:23 |
@HanaTicha I often end up doing language analysis as part of scaffolding, and particularly is Ss are asked to write #ELTchat |
pjgallantry |
10/30/2013 21:23 |
#ELTchat how have you taken coursebook materials and recast them in a LA/TBL framework? |
steven_odonnell |
10/30/2013 21:24 |
did spkg with yl's on festivals eg"this one sounds really good/which one shall we go to?" 12yo ss "But what grammar is this?" v sad #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
10/30/2013 21:24 |
TBL may the most honest approach. However you set up an activity, sts will only feel the need for lang when they need to use it #ELTChat |
Marisa_C |
10/30/2013 21:25 |
@theteacherjames agree - also requires a certain level of linguistic confidence, flexibility and an alert T #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
10/30/2013 21:25 |
RT @pjgallantry: #ELTchat how have you taken coursebook materials and recast them in a LA/TBL framework? |
HanaTicha |
10/30/2013 21:25 |
@theteacherjames Exactly! How to encourage Ss to use target lang was an interesting topic here as well #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
10/30/2013 21:25 |
RT @pjgallantry: #ELTchat how have you taken coursebook materials and recast them in a LA/TBL framework? > Gd Q - challenge first? |
Shaunwilden |
10/30/2013 21:26 |
@pjgallantry well with cbks that are a bit ppp 'simply' do the activities in reverse #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
10/30/2013 21:26 |
@theteacherjames i think it needs to be well set up first, but i love the fact that the production is real language #eltchat |
MicaelaCarey |
10/30/2013 21:26 |
RT @theteacherjames TBL may the most honest approach; sts will only feel the need for lang when they need to use it #ELTChat |
theteacherjames |
10/30/2013 21:27 |
@Marisa_C indeed, all things that should be encouraged! #ELTchat |
rapple18 |
10/30/2013 21:27 |
@HanaTicha @theteacherjames (Evening #ELTChat !) Yes, v careful planning needed to ensure TBL works, with lang input and used appropriately |
HanaTicha |
10/30/2013 21:27 |
@Marisa_C @pjgallantry First of all, abandon alphabetical word lists They're a nightmare #eltchat |
josipa74 |
10/30/2013 21:27 |
#ELTchat I used Business result... we only did the Key expressions parts w/speaking practice in 'real' situations. Hardly touched grammar |
stephenburrows |
10/30/2013 21:27 |
Hi everyone, just got in and using phone to follow chat #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
10/30/2013 21:28 |
@pjgallantry but - to cont with ur Q, often CB follow up activs don't sit well with TBL task cycle #ELTchat |
rapple18 |
10/30/2013 21:28 |
RT @SueAnnan @theteacherjames @theteacherjames TBL: i love the fact that the production is real language #eltchat Indeed! |
Shaunwilden |
10/30/2013 21:28 |
RT @rapple18: @HanaTicha @theteacherjames (Evening #ELTChat !) Yes, v careful planning needed to ensure TBL works, with lang input and used… |
Marisa_C |
10/30/2013 21:28 |
@stephenburrows hi and welcome - hop aboard! #ELTchat |
pjgallantry |
10/30/2013 21:30 |
@Marisa_C true #ELTchat |
josipa74 |
10/30/2013 21:30 |
@Marisa_C @pjgallantry I agree, don't think coursebook is really compatible w/ TBL. Too much juggling and messing around. #ELTChat |
HanaTicha |
10/30/2013 21:31 |
I guess CB would only be compatible with TB if Ss were to make their own CBs :-) #eltchat |
pjgallantry |
10/30/2013 21:31 |
#ELTchat in my experience, 1st think to do with CB stuff is go back to The Key Question: what will sts be able to do by end of lesson? |
Shaunwilden |
10/30/2013 21:31 |
RT @pjgallantry: #ELTchat in my experience, 1st think to do with CB stuff is go back to The Key Question: what will sts be able to do by en… |
Marisa_C |
10/30/2013 21:32 |
The problem with CBs is that they have structural or structural syllabuses (usually) not task syllabuses #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
10/30/2013 21:32 |
cutting edge was designed to have a TBL syllabus #eltchat |
josipa74 |
10/30/2013 21:33 |
@pjgallantry The problem I think is that what they can learn is limited/ prescribed by the CB #eltchat |
melody_philip |
10/30/2013 21:33 |
Hi everyone. Just got in. This is my first #ELTchat, so apologies advance for any gaffes. |
Marisa_C |
10/30/2013 21:33 |
RT @SueAnnan: cutting edge was designed to have a TBL syllabus #eltchat > but doesn't really |
theteacherjames |
10/30/2013 21:33 |
RT @Marisa_C: The problem with CBs is that they have structural or structural syllabuses (usually) not task syllabuses #eltchat |
HanaTicha |
10/30/2013 21:33 |
@Marisa_C But don't you feel that most Ss crave for structure? They feel lost if they feel there's no 'system' #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
10/30/2013 21:34 |
@SueAnnan only in the use of tasks its not really is it quite traditional in the tim up to the task pages #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
10/30/2013 21:34 |
@Marisa_C i think as you said, it needs T to be confident using it #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
10/30/2013 21:34 |
@melody_philip hi welcome and join in no worries - this is a really friendly and supportive groups of Ts #ELTchat |
josipa74 |
10/30/2013 21:34 |
@SueAnnan Cutting Edge? It's full of grammar. Seems like they 'tagged' on a task to each unit (though some of them aren't bad) #eltchat |
pjgallantry |
10/30/2013 21:34 |
#ELTchat anyone here used the old Streamline CB? That was quite TBL-adaptable |
SueAnnan |
10/30/2013 21:35 |
@josipa74 yes. but you can fiddle with it #eltchat |
rapple18 |
10/30/2013 21:35 |
off at a tangent perhaps, doesnt TBL sit well with CEF? .. all those CanDos? Is it exams which constrain CBs? #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden |
10/30/2013 21:35 |
@pjgallantry wasnt that situational at heart? #eltchat |
josipa74 |
10/30/2013 21:35 |
@HanaTicha @Marisa_C Yes, but you can set up a negotiated syllabus, or help to create a Decentralised system (I blog about this) #eltchat |
stephenburrows |
10/30/2013 21:35 |
RT @stephenburrows: @Marisa_C @pjgallantry in my opinion personalisation solves problems caused BT course book tbl synthesis #ELTchat |
rapple18 |
10/30/2013 21:35 |
@Marisa_C @SueAnnan if I remember (while since I used) it has regular TBL sections.. perhaps a half-way house? #eltchat |
melody_philip |
10/30/2013 21:36 |
Thanks@Marisa_C #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
10/30/2013 21:36 |
@pjgallantry streamline was a bare bones collection of contexts - not authentic though and tightly structural #eltchat but yes can be done |
HanaTicha |
10/30/2013 21:36 |
@josipa74 @Marisa_C I'll definitely check your blog #eltchat |
pjgallantry |
10/30/2013 21:36 |
@Shaunwilden yes, but lent itself well toTBL, apart from the dreadful illustrations/photos :) #ELTchat |
josipa74 |
10/30/2013 21:36 |
@SueAnnan I tend to run into the square peg/ round hole dilemma with doing tbl+CB at same time #eltchat |
stephenburrows |
10/30/2013 21:37 |
@Marisa_C @SueAnnan #eltchat lucky enought to be trained by D & J Willis who said CE was 100% TBL, but feedback from teachers and publishers |
Shaunwilden |
10/30/2013 21:37 |
RT @josipa74: @SueAnnan I tend to run into the square peg/ round hole dilemma with doing tbl+CB at same time #eltchat |
stephenburrows |
10/30/2013 21:37 |
@Marisa_C @SueAnnan #ELTchat ensured that CE had to have more standard PPP grammar exercises included into it to ensure it would sell |
Marisa_C |
10/30/2013 21:38 |
@stephenburrows how lucky! #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden |
10/30/2013 21:38 |
@stephenburrows @Marisa_C @SueAnnan always comes back to sales #eltchat |
stephenburrows |
10/30/2013 21:38 |
@Marisa_C #ELTchat Indeed, 2 day session at BC lisbon, we'd taken on a TBL wholsesale approach, they tweeked it - really sold it to me |
pjgallantry |
10/30/2013 21:39 |
@Shaunwilden @stephenburrows @marisa_c @sueannan same the world over :-/ #ELTchat |
stephenburrows |
10/30/2013 21:39 |
#ELTchat Just finished masters assignment about lexical syllabus - idea of authenticity key for TBL approach for that syllabus |
josipa74 |
10/30/2013 21:39 |
cutting has residues of TBL, but is mainly PPP, grammar based. I think all the extra activites in TB relate directly to grammar #ELTChat |
Marisa_C |
10/30/2013 21:40 |
RT @stephenburrows: #ELTchat Just finished masters assignment about lexical syllabus - idea of authenticity key for TBL approach for that s… |
stephenburrows |
10/30/2013 21:40 |
#ELTchat I really believe the key aspect of TBL is authentic models of tasks, if a course book asks you to write something, teacher models.. |
Sandratweet |
10/30/2013 21:40 |
RT @kierandonaghy: Lesson plan at Film English on theme of creativity. http://t.co/C1ekULk4P3 #filmenglish #elt #esl #efl #eltchat #medial… |
stephenburrows |
10/30/2013 21:41 |
#ELTchat the students follow, finally, look at language... I know this is simplified, but it solves course book issues |
HanaTicha |
10/30/2013 21:41 |
The problem with task based CBs is that they can't be universal. It's impossible to design the same tasks for the world audience. #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
10/30/2013 21:42 |
@HanaTicha So true! #ELTchat |
stephenburrows |
10/30/2013 21:42 |
@HanaTicha #ELTchat The real problem is "WHAT IS A TASK?" most people think its making a poster or building a bridge |
Shaunwilden |
10/30/2013 21:43 |
RT @stephenburrows: @HanaTicha #ELTchat The real problem is "WHAT IS A TASK?" most people think its making a poster or building a bridge |
Marisa_C |
10/30/2013 21:43 |
RT @stephenburrows: @HanaTicha #ELTchat The real problem is "WHAT IS A TASK?" most people think its making a poster or building a bridge |
HanaTicha |
10/30/2013 21:43 |
@stephenburrows Well, tasks are culture-based in the first place #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
10/30/2013 21:43 |
@stephenburrows @HanaTicha i like tasks which solve problems. or need a clear solution #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
10/30/2013 21:44 |
but which offer real time language opportunities #eltchat |
pjgallantry |
10/30/2013 21:44 |
@Marisa_C @stephenburrows @hanaticha is a task the same as a problem, I wonder? #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
10/30/2013 21:45 |
@stephenburrows That's a great question. I need some time to answer it! #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
10/30/2013 21:45 |
@pjgallantry @Marisa_C @stephenburrows @hanaticha Are you wondering with doubt (that they are)?#eltchat |
stephenburrows |
10/30/2013 21:46 |
@theteacherjames #ELTchat Well before you do, let me feed in some language, then share your ideas with a partner, then listen to my ideas... |
josipa74 |
10/30/2013 21:46 |
tasks need to be lazy-student-proof, in discrete stages, otherwise learners find ways to take line of least resistance somtimes #eltchat |
rapple18 |
10/30/2013 21:46 |
RT @SueAnnan @stephenburrows @HanaTicha i like tasks which solve problems. or need a clear solution #eltchat Very 'Ideas' or Ur 'Discsns' :) |
HanaTicha |
10/30/2013 21:46 |
@pjgallantry @Marisa_C @stephenburrows @hanaticha Solution is the task #eltchat |
pjgallantry |
10/30/2013 21:47 |
@Shaunwilden @marisa_c @stephenburrows @hanaticha I'm thinking of how the student sees the issue,& whether this affects motivation #ELTchat |
stephenburrows |
10/30/2013 21:47 |
#ELTchat WIllis and Willis's taxonomy of tasks is actually quite simple, ranking, brainstorming, -problem solving, stuff we do all the time |
Shaunwilden |
10/30/2013 21:48 |
RT @stephenburrows: #ELTchat WIllis and Willis's taxonomy of tasks is actually quite simple, ranking, brainstorming, -problem solving, stuf… |
theteacherjames |
10/30/2013 21:48 |
@stephenburrows Haha, how long is this class? I might need a while! #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
10/30/2013 21:48 |
It seems like a task must be challenging, involve decision making and have some linguistic outcome? Can we work on a definition?: #ELTchat |
josipa74 |
10/30/2013 21:48 |
@HanaTicha @pjgallantry @Marisa_C @stephenburrows And Task Design is therefore key as well I think #eltchat |
stephenburrows |
10/30/2013 21:48 |
#ELTchat the key is the focus on meaning over form - ALWAYS. It's a communicative approach, but there's a goal which makes a difference |
SueAnnan |
10/30/2013 21:48 |
@pjgallantry the set up could make a big difference here #eltchat |
josipa74 |
10/30/2013 21:48 |
@Marisa_C sounds good!#eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
10/30/2013 21:49 |
@theteacherjames Comes up often in Bus E when sts have to solve a problem or get sth done. #eltchat |
HanaTicha |
10/30/2013 21:49 |
@Marisa_C In that case doing a gap/fill in a CB can be a challenging task too - it's a vicious circle #eltchat |
sbrowntweets |
10/30/2013 21:49 |
@Marisa_C I would say a task has to have a NON-linguistic outcome - otherwise it's just a language activity #ELTchat |
pjgallantry |
10/30/2013 21:49 |
@Marisa_C for task to be challenging to all sts, we must consider differentiation - give sts different approaches to same task? #ELTchat |
josipa74 |
10/30/2013 21:49 |
#eltchat or maybe we could try and make a TBL task? |
stephenburrows |
10/30/2013 21:50 |
@pjgallantry @Marisa_C #ELTchat but where's the challenge? Is it in language or actual task? The task needs to be achievable, always. |
Marisa_C |
10/30/2013 21:50 |
According to Prahbu it's info gap - opinion gap and reasoning gap (last one typ0ical of problem soving) #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
10/30/2013 21:50 |
@Marisa_C That's where supplementary material comes in. #eltchat |
rapple18 |
10/30/2013 21:51 |
@sbrowntweets @Marisa_C @Marisa_C .. a task has to have a NON-linguistic outcome - otherwise it's just a language activity #ELTchat Agreed |
SueAnnan |
10/30/2013 21:52 |
a TBL task can lead to a really interesting multi skills lesson #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
10/30/2013 21:52 |
@stephenburrows true must be achievable but involve a degree of challenge for Ss to pull tgthrr all their linguistic+ resources #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
10/30/2013 21:52 |
@MarjorieRosenbe yes, that a great example of when the need is very tangible. #ELTchat |
pjgallantry |
10/30/2013 21:52 |
@Marisa_C but capacity for task reasoning & how to implies prior learning skills from own context...#ELTchat |
stephenburrows |
10/30/2013 21:52 |
#ELTchat @sbrowntweets @Marisa_C non-linguistic outcome means meaning over form, so yes, I'd agree. But language should never be forgotten |
Marisa_C |
10/30/2013 21:52 |
@stephenburrows ... and create a need for ne language? #ELTchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
10/30/2013 21:53 |
RT @SueAnnan: @stephenburrows @HanaTicha i like tasks which solve problems. or need a clear solution #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
10/30/2013 21:53 |
@stephenburrows new language #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden |
10/30/2013 21:53 |
came across this article in which Dave willis discusses amongst other things what is a task http://t.co/QmA3HKmm5p #eltchat |
josipa74 |
10/30/2013 21:53 |
@rapple18 @sbrowntweets @Marisa_C I agree - shouldn't it be s/thing native speakers do? And that has many possible outcomes? #eltchat |
pjgallantry |
10/30/2013 21:53 |
#ELTchat sts must be able to see a tangible linguistic outcome, otherwise they're likely to ask what they've been doing! |
stephenburrows |
10/30/2013 21:54 |
@Marisa_C #ELTchat that's where the model is vital - to feed in the new language which is subsequently reflected upon after learners try use |
Marisa_C |
10/30/2013 21:54 |
@josipa74 @rapple18 @sbrowntweets yes it should #eltchat |
sbrowntweets |
10/30/2013 21:55 |
@stephenburrows @rapple18 @Marisa_C yes but the main sim should be to complete something other than produce language #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
10/30/2013 21:55 |
@stephenburrows exactly #eltchat otherwise a revision of known areas - still a task but not suited to TBL I think |
MarjorieRosenbe |
10/30/2013 21:55 |
@pjgallantry But sometimes they just get involved in the task & don't think about the language. #eltchat |
stephenburrows |
10/30/2013 21:56 |
@pjgallantry #ELTchat well, they've been communicating and hopefully noticing interlanguage development - D.Willis idea of interlevel |
josipa74 |
10/30/2013 21:56 |
#eltchat I once did a lesson (spread over 3 days) - Making Beer - no linguistic outcome there. But very popular! |
Shaunwilden |
10/30/2013 21:57 |
@josipa74 was it a practical lesson? :-) #eltchat |
HanaTicha |
10/30/2013 21:57 |
@josipa74 Lessons like this will be best remembered :-) #eltchat |
rapple18 |
10/30/2013 21:57 |
#eltchat Re Lang focus: in any course there is space for lang use (ie comm'n / revision) ... That's confidence building ... |
pjgallantry |
10/30/2013 21:57 |
@MarjorieRosenbe true, but it is 'sometimes'! I do love when they suddenly realise they can do stag they couldn't do before! #ELTchat |
stephenburrows |
10/30/2013 21:57 |
@Marisa_C #ELTchat yes, a task without a model fails to demonstrate new linguistic possibilities. |
SueAnnan |
10/30/2013 21:57 |
monolingual classes need to be interested in task but might just speak L1while working #eltchat |
stephenburrows |
10/30/2013 21:58 |
RT @josipa74: #eltchat I once did a lesson (spread over 3 days) - Making Beer - no linguistic outcome there. But very popular! |
josipa74 |
10/30/2013 21:58 |
@Shaunwilden Yes, we made Ginger beer at a residential adult learning centre. All in English #eltchat |
HanaTicha |
10/30/2013 21:58 |
@SueAnnan Yes, and if you give Ss the freedom to choose, some will choose L2 #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
10/30/2013 21:59 |
RT @Shaunwilden: came across this article in which Dave willis discusses amongst other things what is a task http://t.co/QmA3HKmm5p #eltchat |
josipa74 |
10/30/2013 21:59 |
@HanaTicha By me too! #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
10/30/2013 21:59 |
@josipa74 brilliant :-) #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
10/30/2013 21:59 |
@SueAnnan Agree. Keeping them in English is part of the monitoring. But if the task hss language in it they have to use English. #eltchat |
stephenburrows |
10/30/2013 22:00 |
@SueAnnan #ELTchat from experience, they don't but policing required - this is big critique of TBL, that teacher is policer and animator |
josipa74 |
10/30/2013 22:00 |
@SueAnnan But this is also a problem with CB lessons w/L1 groups #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
10/30/2013 22:00 |
@HanaTicha i don't mind if the presentation part is done in English :-) #eltchat |
rapple18 |
10/30/2013 22:00 |
@Shaunwilden Re D Willis's article on what is a task #eltchat Shouldve done my homework (just back from SK) ... Bedtime reading :) |
Shaunwilden |
10/30/2013 22:00 |
RT @SueAnnan: @HanaTicha i don't mind if the presentation part is done in English :-) #eltchat me neither |
HanaTicha |
10/30/2013 22:01 |
@SueAnnan Me neither :-) What I meant is that some kids love chatting in English even if they don't have to #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
10/30/2013 22:01 |
At the other end of the task cycle - do u use task repetition or - as Willis suggests - a further, more challenging task? #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden |
10/30/2013 22:02 |
@Marisa_C Depends on how they fared during the earlier parts of the cycle #eltchat |
stephenburrows |
10/30/2013 22:02 |
@Marisa_C #ELTchat task repetition is vital, imo. communicative task - delayed error correction/feedback - then task and on and on. |
HanaTicha |
10/30/2013 22:03 |
@Marisa_C Yes. Ss appreciate a 'second chance' especially if they feel they can improve, learn from previous mistakes #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
10/30/2013 22:03 |
this discussion could run and run- but it's after 10 now :-) #eltchat |
stephenburrows |
10/30/2013 22:04 |
@SueAnnan midnight here! #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
10/30/2013 22:04 |
Running out of battery. A sign to sign off. Bye all. #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
10/30/2013 22:04 |
@SueAnnan oh yes hadn't noticed! #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
10/30/2013 22:04 |
@Shaunwilden that's a good sign :-) #eltchat |
HanaTicha |
10/30/2013 22:05 |
@Shaunwilden @SueAnnan Because of a very successful task design we haven't even noticed :-) #eltchat |
josipa74 |
10/30/2013 22:05 |
Great chat all! Off to bed - good luck with TBL! #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
10/30/2013 22:05 |
@HanaTicha @Shaunwilden @SueAnnan time to wrap up then #ELTchat |
naomishema |
10/30/2013 22:06 |
Good night! #eltchat |
HanaTicha |
10/30/2013 22:06 |
@Marisa_C @Shaunwilden @SueAnnan Pity but yes, Good night. #eltchat :-) |
SueAnnan |
10/30/2013 22:07 |
enjoyed the chat. thanks to moderators and participants #eltchat |
pjgallantry |
10/30/2013 22:07 |
#ELTchat thanks everyone for a great chat! |
Marisa_C |
10/30/2013 22:07 |
Both our #ELTchat s today were mainly on TBL - anyone - or any two willing to put a summary together? THis is a task!!! |
Shaunwilden |
10/30/2013 22:07 |
night night all, see you next week #eltchat |
rapple18 |
10/30/2013 22:08 |
Thanks to all .. #ELTchat Sorry I missed lunchtime but will read v soon. |
melody_philip |
10/30/2013 22:08 |
Seems like task design is key. I've learnt a lot. Thank you everyone. Nite. #eltchat |
stephenburrows |
10/30/2013 22:08 |
@Marisa_C #ELTchat I'm sorry, I just don't have time at present - life and work crazy for past 10 months |
theteacherjames |
10/30/2013 22:08 |
Thanks everyone, very interesting chat! #ELTChat |
MicaelaCarey |
10/30/2013 22:09 |
Good night all- really enjoyed the #eltchat :-) |
Marisa_C |
10/30/2013 22:09 |
Any volunteers for the summary please? #ELTchat |
stephenburrows |
10/30/2013 22:09 |
@Marisa_C #ELTchat But must highlight how nice it is to find time to find time to eltchat once again - thanks! |
SueAnnan |
10/30/2013 22:09 |
@Marisa_C could do it if you arent in a hurry #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
10/30/2013 22:10 |
@SueAnnan yes please - do you want to look at the lunchtime summary as well? and do one? #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
10/30/2013 22:12 |
@Marisa_C night #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
10/30/2013 22:12 |
@SueAnnan Muchos gracias Efcharistoume poly - milles mercis thank you will do :-D xxx #ELTchat |
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