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Dave Willis chat 2

Page history last edited by Marisa Constantinides 10 years, 7 months ago

 

 

This is the transcript of the second #ELTchat commemorating Dave Willis on 30/10/2013  Dave Willis 1.xlsx dave willis 2.xlsx 

 

As both chats focused on TBL here is the link to the first one as well 

 

username utc date status
SueAnnan 10/30/2013 21:00 evening everyone #eltchat
Shaunwilden 10/30/2013 21:01 @SueAnnan evening #eltchat
theteacherjames 10/30/2013 21:01 Wherever you are in the world, it's #eltchat o'clock!
Marisa_C 10/30/2013 21:02 @SueAnnan @theteacherjames @Shaunwilden Evening all and welcome to co-moderators & friends - join us on #eltchat now
SueAnnan 10/30/2013 21:02 @Shaunwilden Hi Shaun and James #eltchat
SueAnnan 10/30/2013 21:03 how did the lunchtime discussion go? #eltchat
josipa74 10/30/2013 21:03 hi everyone #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 10/30/2013 21:04 @theteacherjames What's the topic? #eltchat
Marisa_C 10/30/2013 21:04 @SueAnnan Great discussion Sue - we talked about TBL mainly - what would u like to talk about? TBLS, LA? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 10/30/2013 21:04 @SueAnnan its was busy and mainly about tbl #eltchat
bnleez 10/30/2013 21:04 Top story: #ELTchat » Dave Willis – Commemorative #ELTchat on October 30, 2103 http://t.co/kLAoqrecNw, see more http://t.co/z6rMc7K7eN
Marisa_C 10/30/2013 21:05 @josipa74 @MarjorieRosenbe Hi and welcome - @bnleez  too thanks for link #eltchat
SueAnnan 10/30/2013 21:05 @Marisa_C both are important. I love TBL because students feel empowered #eltchat
atiyilmaz 10/30/2013 21:05 RT @ShellTerrell: 10 Songs to Teach Past Simple and Past Continuous Tense http://t.co/ZmgLJSDFqT ~ @evab2001 #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 10/30/2013 21:05 RT @bnleez: Top story: #ELTchat » Dave Willis – Commemorative #ELTchat on October 30, 2103 http://t.co/kLAoqrecNw, see more http://t.co/z6r…
theteacherjames 10/30/2013 21:05 @Marisa_C @SueAnnan @Shaunwilden Good afternoon to you all. #ELTchat
HanaTicha 10/30/2013 21:05 Hi. Couldn't resist joining for the 2nd time today :-)  #eltchat
Marisa_C 10/30/2013 21:06 Here is the link to the lunchtime transcript http://t.co/hL9FCdtBmz #eltchat
Shaunwilden 10/30/2013 21:06 @HanaTicha addict :-) #eltchat
MicaelaCarey 10/30/2013 21:06 Hi everyone.  Time for another #eltchat
Marisa_C 10/30/2013 21:06 @HanaTicha great weolcome back! #eltchat
SueAnnan 10/30/2013 21:06 @Marisa_C thanks. will have a look later #eltchat
HanaTicha 10/30/2013 21:06 @Shaunwilden Definitely, addicted to #eltchat :-)
Marisa_C 10/30/2013 21:06 @MicaelaCarey Hey Micaela good to see u #eltchat
theteacherjames 10/30/2013 21:06 @MarjorieRosenbe it's part two of our tribute to Dave Willis - tbl and lexical approach. #ELTChat
Marisa_C 10/30/2013 21:08 Would anyone like to kick off with a quick outline of TBL perhaps? #eltchat tho looks like friends here already familiar
HanaTicha 10/30/2013 21:08 Ok. I've always been a fan of lex approach as opposed to strict grammar vs vocab dichotomy #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 10/30/2013 21:09 Has anyone used the English Vocabulary Profile? Very helpful for vocab organised by CEFR levels. #eltchat
Marisa_C 10/30/2013 21:09 RT @HanaTicha: Ok. I've always been a fan of lex approach as opposed to strict grammar vs vocab dichotomy #eltchat
MicaelaCarey 10/30/2013 21:09 You too @Marisa_C and good to be here  #eltchat
SueAnnan 10/30/2013 21:09 I enjoy using Penny Ur's book 'Discussions that work' for TBL stuff #eltchat
Shaunwilden 10/30/2013 21:10 @MarjorieRosenbe No never used it #eltchat
Shaunwilden 10/30/2013 21:10 @SueAnnan Why's that then? #eltchat
josipa74 10/30/2013 21:10 @HanaTicha me too! Much more conducive to natural learning of the language #eltchat
HanaTicha 10/30/2013 21:10 @josipa74 Yes! That's how kids acquire languages. #eltchat
SueAnnan 10/30/2013 21:11 @Shaunwilden there are some good problem solving exercises which are not dependent on level, so work well with mixed classes #eltchat
Marisa_C 10/30/2013 21:12 @SueAnnan agree it's got some really good activs - my fave is the zoo layout have used it for speaking and writing lessons #eltchat
Shaunwilden 10/30/2013 21:12 @SueAnnan aha i see thats the book with thee bloody zoo thing isn't it #eltchat
pjgallantry 10/30/2013 21:12 #ELTchat hello and good evening all :)
SueAnnan 10/30/2013 21:12 @Marisa_C yes. me too. It works well when coupled with a discussion about Durell ( based here) #eltchat
Shaunwilden 10/30/2013 21:13 @Marisa_C @SueAnnan nooo not the zoo puzzle, not that it bad just seen it too many times :-) #eltchat
josipa74 10/30/2013 21:13 My problem w/TBL is that there's not so many resources - compared to drowning in 5-minute activites or gap-fills #eltchat
SueAnnan 10/30/2013 21:13 @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C :-) #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 10/30/2013 21:14 RT @SueAnnan: I enjoy using Penny Ur's book 'Discussions that work' for TBL stuff #eltchat
naomishema 10/30/2013 21:14 Hi #eltchat! Sorry I'm late. I'll just be lurking tonight.
SueAnnan 10/30/2013 21:15 there's a really old book called Ideas which has some cool stuff for TBL too. One is an island called Panglossia which finds oil #ELTchat
Marisa_C 10/30/2013 21:15 @Shaunwilden @SueAnnan i use it to get them to do some writing - kids write to animal agony aunts and adults zookeper memos #eltchat
pjgallantry 10/30/2013 21:16 @SueAnnan vaguely recall that - V old book! :) #ELTchat
Marisa_C 10/30/2013 21:16 @naomishema Hay Naomi great to see u welcome - lurk all u want #eltchat
Marisa_C 10/30/2013 21:16 RT @pjgallantry: @SueAnnan vaguely recall that - V old book! :) #ELTchat > he he
SueAnnan 10/30/2013 21:16 @Marisa_C @pjgallantry I did say it was old :-) #eltchat
MicaelaCarey 10/30/2013 21:17 TBL and lexical approach work very well with young learners- with adults too- but esp with YLs #eltchat
Shaunwilden 10/30/2013 21:18 @Marisa_C @pjgallantry @SueAnnan but of course it's not the book / activity but the framework you use it in ;-) #eltchat
pjgallantry 10/30/2013 21:18 @SueAnnan @marisa_c I think I used it during my v first year of teaching - which was 20 years ago last week! #ELTchat
SueAnnan 10/30/2013 21:19 @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C @pjgallantry sure. but it is nice to have material to develop sometimes #eltchat
HanaTicha 10/30/2013 21:19 As for LA, do you analyze chunks at some point after having taught them or do you strictly stick to LA in its pure form? #eltchat
pjgallantry 10/30/2013 21:20 @SueAnnan @shaunwilden @marisa_c absolutely! #ELTchat
Marisa_C 10/30/2013 21:21 @HanaTicha I use nothing in its pure form or any approach wholesale so, sometimes yes other times no #ELTchat
pjgallantry 10/30/2013 21:22 “@Marisa_C: @HanaTicha I use nothing in its pure form or any approach wholesale so, sometimes yes other times no #ELTchat”< same here
Shaunwilden 10/30/2013 21:22 RT @Marisa_C: @HanaTicha I use nothing in its pure form or any approach wholesale so, sometimes yes other times no #ELTchat
HanaTicha 10/30/2013 21:22 @Marisa_C Agree. There's no point with very young learners anyway #eltchat
Marisa_C 10/30/2013 21:23 @HanaTicha I often end up doing language analysis as part of scaffolding, and particularly is Ss are asked to write #ELTchat
pjgallantry 10/30/2013 21:23 #ELTchat how have you taken coursebook materials and recast them in a LA/TBL framework?
steven_odonnell 10/30/2013 21:24 did spkg with yl's on festivals eg"this one sounds really good/which one shall we go to?" 12yo ss "But what grammar is this?" v sad #eltchat
theteacherjames 10/30/2013 21:24 TBL may the most honest approach. However you set up an activity, sts will only feel the need for lang when they need to use it #ELTChat
Marisa_C 10/30/2013 21:25 @theteacherjames agree - also requires a certain level of linguistic confidence, flexibility and an alert T #eltchat
Shaunwilden 10/30/2013 21:25 RT @pjgallantry: #ELTchat how have you taken coursebook materials and recast them in a LA/TBL framework?
HanaTicha 10/30/2013 21:25 @theteacherjames Exactly! How to encourage Ss to use target lang was an interesting topic here as well #eltchat
Marisa_C 10/30/2013 21:25 RT @pjgallantry: #ELTchat how have you taken coursebook materials and recast them in a LA/TBL framework? > Gd Q -   challenge first?
Shaunwilden 10/30/2013 21:26 @pjgallantry well with cbks that are a bit ppp 'simply' do the activities in reverse #eltchat
SueAnnan 10/30/2013 21:26 @theteacherjames i think it needs to be well set up first, but i love the fact that the production is real language #eltchat
MicaelaCarey 10/30/2013 21:26 RT @theteacherjames TBL may the most honest approach; sts will only feel the need for lang when they need to use it #ELTChat
theteacherjames 10/30/2013 21:27 @Marisa_C indeed, all things that should be encouraged! #ELTchat
rapple18 10/30/2013 21:27 @HanaTicha @theteacherjames (Evening #ELTChat !) Yes, v careful planning needed to ensure TBL works, with lang input and used appropriately
HanaTicha 10/30/2013 21:27 @Marisa_C @pjgallantry First of all, abandon alphabetical word lists They're a nightmare #eltchat
josipa74 10/30/2013 21:27 #ELTchat I used Business result... we only did the Key expressions parts w/speaking practice in 'real' situations. Hardly touched grammar
stephenburrows 10/30/2013 21:27 Hi everyone, just got in and using phone to follow chat #eltchat
Marisa_C 10/30/2013 21:28 @pjgallantry but - to cont with ur Q, often CB follow up activs don't sit well with TBL task cycle #ELTchat
rapple18 10/30/2013 21:28 RT @SueAnnan @theteacherjames @theteacherjames TBL: i love the fact that the production is real language #eltchat Indeed!
Shaunwilden 10/30/2013 21:28 RT @rapple18: @HanaTicha @theteacherjames (Evening #ELTChat !) Yes, v careful planning needed to ensure TBL works, with lang input and used…
Marisa_C 10/30/2013 21:28 @stephenburrows hi and welcome - hop aboard! #ELTchat
pjgallantry 10/30/2013 21:30 @Marisa_C true #ELTchat
josipa74 10/30/2013 21:30 @Marisa_C @pjgallantry I agree, don't think coursebook is really compatible w/ TBL. Too much juggling and messing around. #ELTChat
HanaTicha 10/30/2013 21:31 I guess CB would only be compatible with TB if Ss were to make their own CBs :-) #eltchat
pjgallantry 10/30/2013 21:31 #ELTchat in my experience, 1st think to do with CB stuff is go back to The Key Question: what will sts be able to do by end of lesson?
Shaunwilden 10/30/2013 21:31 RT @pjgallantry: #ELTchat in my experience, 1st think to do with CB stuff is go back to The Key Question: what will sts be able to do by en…
Marisa_C 10/30/2013 21:32 The problem with CBs is that they have structural or structural syllabuses (usually) not task syllabuses #eltchat
SueAnnan 10/30/2013 21:32 cutting edge was designed to have a TBL syllabus #eltchat
josipa74 10/30/2013 21:33 @pjgallantry The problem I think is that what they can learn is limited/ prescribed by the CB #eltchat
melody_philip 10/30/2013 21:33 Hi everyone. Just got in. This is my first #ELTchat, so apologies advance for any gaffes.
Marisa_C 10/30/2013 21:33 RT @SueAnnan: cutting edge was designed to have a TBL syllabus #eltchat > but doesn't really
theteacherjames 10/30/2013 21:33 RT @Marisa_C: The problem with CBs is that they have structural or structural syllabuses (usually) not task syllabuses #eltchat
HanaTicha 10/30/2013 21:33 @Marisa_C But don't you feel that most Ss crave for structure? They feel lost if they feel there's no 'system' #eltchat
Shaunwilden 10/30/2013 21:34 @SueAnnan only in the use of tasks its not really is it quite traditional in the tim up to the task pages #eltchat
SueAnnan 10/30/2013 21:34 @Marisa_C i think as you said, it needs T to be confident using it #eltchat
Marisa_C 10/30/2013 21:34 @melody_philip hi welcome and join in no worries - this is a really friendly and supportive groups of Ts #ELTchat
josipa74 10/30/2013 21:34 @SueAnnan Cutting Edge? It's full of grammar. Seems like they 'tagged' on a task to each unit (though some of them aren't bad) #eltchat
pjgallantry 10/30/2013 21:34 #ELTchat anyone here used the old Streamline CB? That was quite TBL-adaptable
SueAnnan 10/30/2013 21:35 @josipa74 yes. but you can fiddle with it #eltchat
rapple18 10/30/2013 21:35 off at a tangent perhaps, doesnt TBL sit well with CEF? .. all those CanDos? Is it exams which constrain CBs? #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 10/30/2013 21:35 @pjgallantry wasnt that situational at heart? #eltchat
josipa74 10/30/2013 21:35 @HanaTicha @Marisa_C Yes, but you can set up a negotiated syllabus, or help to create a Decentralised system (I blog about this) #eltchat
stephenburrows 10/30/2013 21:35 RT @stephenburrows: @Marisa_C @pjgallantry in my opinion personalisation solves problems caused BT course book tbl synthesis #ELTchat
rapple18 10/30/2013 21:35 @Marisa_C @SueAnnan if I remember (while since I used) it has regular TBL sections.. perhaps a half-way house? #eltchat
melody_philip 10/30/2013 21:36 Thanks@Marisa_C #eltchat
Marisa_C 10/30/2013 21:36 @pjgallantry streamline was a bare bones collection of contexts - not authentic though and tightly structural #eltchat but yes can be done
HanaTicha 10/30/2013 21:36 @josipa74 @Marisa_C I'll definitely check your blog #eltchat
pjgallantry 10/30/2013 21:36 @Shaunwilden yes, but lent itself well toTBL, apart from the dreadful illustrations/photos :) #ELTchat
josipa74 10/30/2013 21:36 @SueAnnan I tend to run into the square peg/ round hole dilemma with doing tbl+CB at same time #eltchat
stephenburrows 10/30/2013 21:37 @Marisa_C @SueAnnan #eltchat lucky enought to be trained by D & J Willis who said CE was 100% TBL, but feedback from teachers and publishers
Shaunwilden 10/30/2013 21:37 RT @josipa74: @SueAnnan I tend to run into the square peg/ round hole dilemma with doing tbl+CB at same time #eltchat
stephenburrows 10/30/2013 21:37 @Marisa_C @SueAnnan #ELTchat ensured that CE had to have more standard PPP grammar exercises included into it to ensure it would sell
Marisa_C 10/30/2013 21:38 @stephenburrows how lucky! #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 10/30/2013 21:38 @stephenburrows @Marisa_C @SueAnnan always comes back to sales #eltchat
stephenburrows 10/30/2013 21:38 @Marisa_C #ELTchat Indeed, 2 day session at BC lisbon, we'd taken on a TBL wholsesale approach, they tweeked it - really sold it to me
pjgallantry 10/30/2013 21:39 @Shaunwilden @stephenburrows @marisa_c @sueannan same the world over :-/ #ELTchat
stephenburrows 10/30/2013 21:39 #ELTchat Just finished masters assignment about lexical syllabus - idea of authenticity key for TBL approach for that syllabus
josipa74 10/30/2013 21:39 cutting has residues of TBL, but is mainly PPP, grammar based. I think all the extra activites in TB relate directly to grammar #ELTChat
Marisa_C 10/30/2013 21:40 RT @stephenburrows: #ELTchat Just finished masters assignment about lexical syllabus - idea of authenticity key for TBL approach for that s…
stephenburrows 10/30/2013 21:40 #ELTchat I really believe the key aspect of TBL is authentic models of tasks, if a course book asks you to write something, teacher models..
Sandratweet 10/30/2013 21:40 RT @kierandonaghy: Lesson plan at Film English on theme of creativity.  http://t.co/C1ekULk4P3 #filmenglish #elt #esl #efl #eltchat #medial…
stephenburrows 10/30/2013 21:41 #ELTchat the students follow, finally, look at language... I know this is simplified, but it solves course book issues
HanaTicha 10/30/2013 21:41 The problem with task based  CBs is that they can't be universal. It's impossible to design the same tasks for the world audience. #eltchat
Marisa_C 10/30/2013 21:42 @HanaTicha So true! #ELTchat
stephenburrows 10/30/2013 21:42 @HanaTicha #ELTchat The real problem is "WHAT IS A TASK?" most people think its making a poster or building a bridge
Shaunwilden 10/30/2013 21:43 RT @stephenburrows: @HanaTicha #ELTchat The real problem is "WHAT IS A TASK?" most people think its making a poster or building a bridge
Marisa_C 10/30/2013 21:43 RT @stephenburrows: @HanaTicha #ELTchat The real problem is "WHAT IS A TASK?" most people think its making a poster or building a bridge
HanaTicha 10/30/2013 21:43 @stephenburrows Well, tasks are culture-based in the first place #eltchat
SueAnnan 10/30/2013 21:43 @stephenburrows @HanaTicha  i like tasks which solve problems. or need a clear solution #eltchat
SueAnnan 10/30/2013 21:44 but which offer real time language opportunities #eltchat
pjgallantry 10/30/2013 21:44 @Marisa_C @stephenburrows @hanaticha is a task the same as a problem, I wonder? #eltchat
theteacherjames 10/30/2013 21:45 @stephenburrows That's a great question. I need some time to answer it! #eltchat
Shaunwilden 10/30/2013 21:45 @pjgallantry @Marisa_C @stephenburrows @hanaticha Are you wondering with doubt (that they are)?#eltchat
stephenburrows 10/30/2013 21:46 @theteacherjames #ELTchat Well before you do, let me feed in some language, then share your ideas with a partner, then listen to my ideas...
josipa74 10/30/2013 21:46 tasks need to be lazy-student-proof, in discrete stages, otherwise learners find ways to take line of least resistance somtimes #eltchat
rapple18 10/30/2013 21:46 RT @SueAnnan @stephenburrows @HanaTicha i like tasks which solve problems. or need a clear solution #eltchat Very 'Ideas' or Ur 'Discsns' :)
HanaTicha 10/30/2013 21:46 @pjgallantry @Marisa_C @stephenburrows @hanaticha Solution is the task #eltchat
pjgallantry 10/30/2013 21:47 @Shaunwilden @marisa_c @stephenburrows @hanaticha I'm thinking of how the student sees the issue,& whether this affects motivation #ELTchat
stephenburrows 10/30/2013 21:47 #ELTchat WIllis and Willis's taxonomy of tasks is actually quite simple, ranking, brainstorming, -problem solving, stuff we do all the time
Shaunwilden 10/30/2013 21:48 RT @stephenburrows: #ELTchat WIllis and Willis's taxonomy of tasks is actually quite simple, ranking, brainstorming, -problem solving, stuf…
theteacherjames 10/30/2013 21:48 @stephenburrows Haha, how long is this class? I might need a while! #eltchat
Marisa_C 10/30/2013 21:48 It seems like a task must be challenging, involve decision making and have some linguistic outcome? Can we work on a definition?: #ELTchat
josipa74 10/30/2013 21:48 @HanaTicha @pjgallantry @Marisa_C @stephenburrows And Task Design is therefore key as well I think #eltchat
stephenburrows 10/30/2013 21:48 #ELTchat the key is the focus on meaning over form - ALWAYS. It's a communicative approach, but there's a goal which makes a difference
SueAnnan 10/30/2013 21:48 @pjgallantry  the set up could make a big difference here #eltchat
josipa74 10/30/2013 21:48 @Marisa_C sounds good!#eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 10/30/2013 21:49 @theteacherjames Comes up often in Bus E when sts have to solve a problem or get sth done. #eltchat
HanaTicha 10/30/2013 21:49 @Marisa_C In that case doing a gap/fill in a CB can be a challenging task too - it's a vicious circle #eltchat
sbrowntweets 10/30/2013 21:49 @Marisa_C I would say a task has to have a NON-linguistic outcome - otherwise it's just a language activity #ELTchat
pjgallantry 10/30/2013 21:49 @Marisa_C for task to be challenging to all sts, we must consider differentiation - give sts different approaches to same task? #ELTchat
josipa74 10/30/2013 21:49 #eltchat or maybe we could try and make a TBL task?
stephenburrows 10/30/2013 21:50 @pjgallantry @Marisa_C #ELTchat but where's the challenge? Is it in language or actual task? The task needs to be achievable, always.
Marisa_C 10/30/2013 21:50 According to Prahbu it's info gap - opinion gap and reasoning gap (last one typ0ical of problem soving) #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 10/30/2013 21:50 @Marisa_C That's where supplementary material comes in. #eltchat
rapple18 10/30/2013 21:51 @sbrowntweets @Marisa_C @Marisa_C .. a task has to have a NON-linguistic outcome - otherwise it's just a language activity #ELTchat Agreed
SueAnnan 10/30/2013 21:52 a TBL task can lead to a really interesting multi skills lesson #eltchat
Marisa_C 10/30/2013 21:52 @stephenburrows true must be achievable but involve a degree of challenge for Ss to pull tgthrr all their linguistic+  resources #eltchat
theteacherjames 10/30/2013 21:52 @MarjorieRosenbe yes, that a great example of when the need is very tangible. #ELTchat
pjgallantry 10/30/2013 21:52 @Marisa_C but capacity for task reasoning & how to  implies prior learning skills from own context...#ELTchat
stephenburrows 10/30/2013 21:52 #ELTchat @sbrowntweets @Marisa_C non-linguistic outcome means meaning over form, so yes, I'd agree. But language should never be forgotten
Marisa_C 10/30/2013 21:52 @stephenburrows ... and create a need for ne language? #ELTchat
MarjorieRosenbe 10/30/2013 21:53 RT @SueAnnan: @stephenburrows @HanaTicha  i like tasks which solve problems. or need a clear solution #eltchat
Marisa_C 10/30/2013 21:53 @stephenburrows new language #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 10/30/2013 21:53 came across this article in which Dave willis discusses amongst other things what is a task http://t.co/QmA3HKmm5p #eltchat
josipa74 10/30/2013 21:53 @rapple18 @sbrowntweets @Marisa_C  I agree - shouldn't it be s/thing native speakers do? And that has many possible outcomes? #eltchat
pjgallantry 10/30/2013 21:53 #ELTchat sts must be able to see a tangible linguistic outcome, otherwise they're likely to ask what they've been doing!
stephenburrows 10/30/2013 21:54 @Marisa_C #ELTchat that's where the model is vital - to feed in the new language which is subsequently reflected upon after learners try use
Marisa_C 10/30/2013 21:54 @josipa74 @rapple18 @sbrowntweets yes it should #eltchat
sbrowntweets 10/30/2013 21:55 @stephenburrows @rapple18 @Marisa_C yes but the main sim should be to complete something other than produce language #eltchat
Marisa_C 10/30/2013 21:55 @stephenburrows exactly #eltchat otherwise a revision of known areas - still a task but not suited to TBL I think
MarjorieRosenbe 10/30/2013 21:55 @pjgallantry But sometimes they just get involved in the task & don't think about the language. #eltchat
stephenburrows 10/30/2013 21:56 @pjgallantry #ELTchat well, they've been communicating and hopefully noticing interlanguage development - D.Willis idea of interlevel
josipa74 10/30/2013 21:56 #eltchat I once did a lesson (spread over 3 days) - Making Beer - no linguistic outcome there. But very popular!
Shaunwilden 10/30/2013 21:57 @josipa74 was it a practical lesson? :-) #eltchat
HanaTicha 10/30/2013 21:57 @josipa74 Lessons like this will be best remembered :-) #eltchat
rapple18 10/30/2013 21:57 #eltchat Re Lang focus: in any course there is space for lang use (ie comm'n / revision) ... That's confidence building ...
pjgallantry 10/30/2013 21:57 @MarjorieRosenbe true, but it is 'sometimes'! I do love when they suddenly realise they can do stag they couldn't do before! #ELTchat
stephenburrows 10/30/2013 21:57 @Marisa_C #ELTchat yes, a task without a model fails to demonstrate new linguistic possibilities.
SueAnnan 10/30/2013 21:57 monolingual classes need to be interested in task but might just speak L1while working #eltchat
stephenburrows 10/30/2013 21:58 RT @josipa74: #eltchat I once did a lesson (spread over 3 days) - Making Beer - no linguistic outcome there. But very popular!
josipa74 10/30/2013 21:58 @Shaunwilden Yes, we made Ginger beer at a residential adult learning centre. All in English #eltchat
HanaTicha 10/30/2013 21:58 @SueAnnan Yes, and if you give Ss the freedom to choose, some will choose L2 #eltchat
theteacherjames 10/30/2013 21:59 RT @Shaunwilden: came across this article in which Dave willis discusses amongst other things what is a task http://t.co/QmA3HKmm5p #eltchat
josipa74 10/30/2013 21:59 @HanaTicha By me too! #eltchat
Shaunwilden 10/30/2013 21:59 @josipa74 brilliant :-) #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 10/30/2013 21:59 @SueAnnan Agree. Keeping them in English is part of the monitoring. But if the task hss language in it they have to use English. #eltchat
stephenburrows 10/30/2013 22:00 @SueAnnan #ELTchat from experience, they don't but policing required - this is big critique of TBL, that teacher is policer and animator
josipa74 10/30/2013 22:00 @SueAnnan But this is also a problem with CB lessons w/L1 groups #eltchat
SueAnnan 10/30/2013 22:00 @HanaTicha i don't mind if the presentation part is done in English :-) #eltchat
rapple18 10/30/2013 22:00 @Shaunwilden Re D Willis's article on what is a task #eltchat Shouldve done my homework (just back from SK) ... Bedtime reading :)
Shaunwilden 10/30/2013 22:00 RT @SueAnnan: @HanaTicha i don't mind if the presentation part is done in English :-) #eltchat me neither
HanaTicha 10/30/2013 22:01 @SueAnnan Me neither :-) What I meant is that some kids love chatting in English even if they don't have to #eltchat
Marisa_C 10/30/2013 22:01 At the other end of the task cycle - do u use task repetition or - as Willis suggests - a further, more challenging task? #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 10/30/2013 22:02 @Marisa_C Depends on how they fared during the earlier parts of the cycle #eltchat
stephenburrows 10/30/2013 22:02 @Marisa_C #ELTchat task repetition is vital, imo. communicative task - delayed error correction/feedback - then task and on and on.
HanaTicha 10/30/2013 22:03 @Marisa_C Yes. Ss appreciate a 'second chance' especially if they feel they can improve, learn from previous mistakes #eltchat
SueAnnan 10/30/2013 22:03 this discussion could run and run- but it's after 10 now :-) #eltchat
stephenburrows 10/30/2013 22:04 @SueAnnan midnight here! #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 10/30/2013 22:04 Running out of battery. A sign to sign off. Bye all. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 10/30/2013 22:04 @SueAnnan oh yes hadn't noticed! #eltchat
SueAnnan 10/30/2013 22:04 @Shaunwilden that's a good sign :-) #eltchat
HanaTicha 10/30/2013 22:05 @Shaunwilden @SueAnnan Because of a very successful task design we haven't even noticed :-) #eltchat
josipa74 10/30/2013 22:05 Great chat all! Off to bed - good luck with TBL! #eltchat
Marisa_C 10/30/2013 22:05 @HanaTicha @Shaunwilden @SueAnnan time to wrap up then #ELTchat
naomishema 10/30/2013 22:06 Good night! #eltchat
HanaTicha 10/30/2013 22:06 @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden @SueAnnan Pity but yes, Good night. #eltchat :-)
SueAnnan 10/30/2013 22:07 enjoyed the chat. thanks to moderators and participants #eltchat
pjgallantry 10/30/2013 22:07 #ELTchat thanks everyone for a great chat!
Marisa_C 10/30/2013 22:07 Both our #ELTchat s today were mainly on TBL - anyone - or any two willing to put a summary together? THis is a task!!!
Shaunwilden 10/30/2013 22:07 night night all, see you next week #eltchat
rapple18 10/30/2013 22:08 Thanks to all .. #ELTchat Sorry I missed lunchtime but will read v soon.
melody_philip 10/30/2013 22:08 Seems like task design is key. I've learnt a lot. Thank you everyone. Nite. #eltchat
stephenburrows 10/30/2013 22:08 @Marisa_C #ELTchat I'm sorry, I just don't have time at present - life and work crazy for past 10 months
theteacherjames 10/30/2013 22:08 Thanks everyone, very interesting chat! #ELTChat
MicaelaCarey 10/30/2013 22:09 Good night all- really enjoyed the #eltchat  :-)
Marisa_C 10/30/2013 22:09 Any volunteers for the summary please? #ELTchat
stephenburrows 10/30/2013 22:09 @Marisa_C #ELTchat But must highlight how nice it is to find time to find time to eltchat once again - thanks!
SueAnnan 10/30/2013 22:09 @Marisa_C could do it if you arent in a hurry #eltchat
Marisa_C 10/30/2013 22:10 @SueAnnan yes please - do you want to look at the lunchtime summary as well? and do one? #eltchat
SueAnnan 10/30/2013 22:12 @Marisa_C night #eltchat
Marisa_C 10/30/2013 22:12 @SueAnnan Muchos gracias Efcharistoume poly - milles mercis thank you will do :-D xxx #ELTchat

 

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