User

Date - time

Tweets

SueAnnan

10/9/2013 20:08

hello #eltchat

mattellman

10/9/2013 20:09

@SueAnnan Hi Sue, thought I was the only one here! #ELTchat

SueAnnan

10/9/2013 20:09

don't know where the others are Matt #eltchat

HanaTicha

10/9/2013 20:09

@SueAnnan Hi, everybody #eltchat

mattellman

10/9/2013 20:10

@SueAnnan Must be a party we don't know about! #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

10/9/2013 20:10

@SueAnnan oo a tweet i don't seem to be getting matt of those in the #eltchat column

SueAnnan

10/9/2013 20:11

Hey Hana #eltchat

cerirhiannon

10/9/2013 20:11

Hi! I thought maybe I'd forgotten how to do this after so many months away ;) #eltchat

MicaelaCarey

10/9/2013 20:11

Good evening!  #eltchat  What's our topic?

mattellman

10/9/2013 20:11

@Shaunwilden @SueAnnan Perhaps if I stop capitalising #eltchat?

SueAnnan

10/9/2013 20:11

Hi Shaun. What's the topic? #eltchat

cioccas

10/9/2013 20:12

@mattellman @SueAnnan I'm kind of here, but walking the dog, so not 100% focused :-) #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

10/9/2013 20:12

@mattellman @SueAnnan no i thought my twetdeck wasn't working to be honest as mods not answering me either #eltchat

Shaunwilden

10/9/2013 20:13

topic is Dealing with multi-aged classrooms #eltchat

cerirhiannon

10/9/2013 20:13

it's definitley laggy!  #eltchat

SueAnnan

10/9/2013 20:13

or multi-aged students? lol #eltchat

theteacherjames

10/9/2013 20:13

Hi folks. Sorry to be late, can't avoid technical issues at the moment. #eltchat

theteacherjames

10/9/2013 20:14

But I'm here now! #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

10/9/2013 20:15

@theteacherjames hello #eltchat

cioccas

10/9/2013 20:15

I see students from around 18-88 in my classes! #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

10/9/2013 20:15

@cioccas yes mine used to be like that #eltchat

HanaTicha

10/9/2013 20:16

@cioccas My span used to be even larger, in evening courses though  #eltchat

theteacherjames

10/9/2013 20:16

@Shaunwilden hi. Sorry about that, still haven't received any DM's. So what are we talking about. #ELTChat

cioccas

10/9/2013 20:17

Hard to find relevant materials to suit all ages - need to find 'themes' to engage all - fortunately 'settlement' is common #ELTchat

HanaTicha

10/9/2013 20:17

@cioccas Did you face any problems, Lesley? I did - discipline #eltchat

cerirhiannon

10/9/2013 20:17

taught a class with 5 to 11 year olds once -that sounds like a narrower range but it was a challenge! #eltchat

Shaunwilden

10/9/2013 20:18

@theteacherjames dealing with multi-aged classrooms #eltchat

Marisa_C

10/9/2013 20:18

Hi everyone - sorry to be late - am still confused and still on Budapest time!!! Plus my cold not helping the brain! #ELTchat

cioccas

10/9/2013 20:18

... Though even 'settlement' is different at different ages too! #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

10/9/2013 20:19

@cerirhiannon oo wouldn't fancy that  6 years covers quite a lot of child  development #eltchat

mattellman

10/9/2013 20:19

@cerirhiannon I can imagine! It's a bigger problem with YLs I think - I once had a class from 10 -17 which was a nightmare! #eltchat

cioccas

10/9/2013 20:19

@HanaTicha Discipline an issue with some, but think having grandparently types can help with that (+ a nun or 2!) #ELTchat

Marisa_C

10/9/2013 20:19

@mattellman @cerirhiannon Agree - more probs with that age range than younger vs older adults #eltchat haven't had any issues myself

cioccas

10/9/2013 20:20

@cerirhiannon I'd rather the large adult range Ceri! :-) #ELTchat

Marisa_C

10/9/2013 20:20

@cioccas @HanaTicha can imagine! #eltchat

mattellman

10/9/2013 20:20

@Marisa_C @cerirhiannon Yep, I think with adults there are benefits that balance any drawbacks #eltchat

HanaTicha

10/9/2013 20:20

@cioccas Yes. Kids want to play and adults want to 'learn' :-) #eltchat

ELTExperiences

10/9/2013 20:21

@mattellman @cerirhiannon I am teaching a group of YLs at the moment between that age and they are not that problematic. #ELTChat

mattellman

10/9/2013 20:21

@HanaTicha @cioccas Yes, only kids don't want to play with younger kids! :) #eltchat

Marisa_C

10/9/2013 20:21

I only recall one big prob - with 75+ yr old keen student roping in a young guy to be his translator :-) #eltchat  they had a ball

cerirhiannon

10/9/2013 20:21

RT @mattellman:  I once had a class from 10 -17 which was a nightmare! #eltchat  aaagh!!

HanaTicha

10/9/2013 20:22

@mattellman @cerirhiannon But 12/15 span has worked well so far #eltchat

cioccas

10/9/2013 20:22

@Marisa_C We've started daylight saving in Australia this week, so this #ELTchat now when many will be on way to work I think.

ELTExperiences

10/9/2013 20:22

@HanaTicha @cioccas intrinsic versus extrinsic motivation? #ELTChat

cerirhiannon

10/9/2013 20:22

@Shaunwilden does indeed!  #eltchat

HanaTicha

10/9/2013 20:22

@ELTExperiences @cioccas Exactly!! #eltchat

theteacherjames

10/9/2013 20:22

I'm now teaching a wide age range for the first time. One class is from 17 to 57, a really interesting mix. #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

10/9/2013 20:22

@Marisa_C with such an age gap there are bound to be different experiences of education and what they expect from a lesson #eltchat

ELTExperiences

10/9/2013 20:23

Why do we assume that there are greater issues between YLs and Adults? Perhaps most issues are with adults than expected. #eltchat

ELTExperiences

10/9/2013 20:24

@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C perhaps you could work with those differences. Get them to share stories, ideas, experiences. #ELTChat

HanaTicha

10/9/2013 20:24

@ELTExperiences Attitudes, pace, learning style differences, etc #eltchat

mattellman

10/9/2013 20:24

@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C Definitely, and of how accustomed to studying they are #eltchat

cioccas

10/9/2013 20:24

@Shaunwilden Most definitely, and even wider range of past educational exp. in a multicultural class - no assumptions! #ELTchat

Marisa_C

10/9/2013 20:24

@ELTExperiences may be because YLs are more open abt showing feelings - adults keep them in #eltchat filter:images

cerirhiannon

10/9/2013 20:24

with 5 - 11 yr olds end up teaching 3 or 4 separate lessons at the same time ;) #eltchat - hard work but fun

cioccas

10/9/2013 20:25

RT @cerirhiannon: with 5 - 11 yr olds end up teaching 3 or 4 separate lessons at the same time ;) #eltchat - hard work but fun

ELTExperiences

10/9/2013 20:26

Surely teaching different ages is as complex as teaching multiple levels. #ELTChat

Shaunwilden

10/9/2013 20:26

@ELTExperiences how so? #eltchat

Marisa_C

10/9/2013 20:27

@ELTExperiences in some cases it can be - one issue could be rates of assimilation #eltchat

harrisonmike

10/9/2013 20:27

@ELTExperiences try virtually pre-literate in L1 alongside PhD level qualified sts in same class #ELTchat

ELTExperiences

10/9/2013 20:27

@Shaunwilden motivation, memorisation, experiences and the list goes on. #ELTChat

HanaTicha

10/9/2013 20:27

@ELTExperiences If  different ages share the same level it's fine.  #eltchat

MicaelaCarey

10/9/2013 20:28

@cerirhiannon #eltchat How many were in the group?  Teaching that many lessons simultaneousy must've kept you on your toes!

cerirhiannon

10/9/2013 20:28

RT @harrisonmike: @ELTExperiences try virtually pre-literate in L1 alongside PhD level qualified sts in same class #ELTchat > !!

harrisonmike

10/9/2013 20:28

RT @theteacherjames: I'm now teaching a wide age range for the first time. One class is from 17 to 57, a really interesting mix. #ELTchat

cerirhiannon

10/9/2013 20:29

@MicaelaCarey it wasn't a big class - between 10 and 12 depending on the day - some were brothers and sisters #eltchat

ELTExperiences

10/9/2013 20:29

@HanaTicha is that really as fine as you expect? #ELTChat

Shaunwilden

10/9/2013 20:29

@ELTExperiences i am not sure i understand what you mean by multiple levels - you mean in the same class? #eltchat

HanaTicha

10/9/2013 20:30

@ELTExperiences Better than the other way around :-)  #eltchat

Marisa_C

10/9/2013 20:30

@Shaunwilden @ELTExperiences mixed ability levels? #eltchat

cioccas

10/9/2013 20:31

RT @harrisonmike @ELTExperiences try virtually pre-literate in L1 alongside PhD level qualified sts in same class #ELTchat < Oh yeah!!!

cerirhiannon

10/9/2013 20:31

@MicaelaCarey had a big table, rugs &cushions on  floor - games & various activities -  like monitoring grpwork bt on double speed #eltchat

HanaTicha

10/9/2013 20:32

@cerirhiannon @MicaelaCarey Yes, seems to work great with project work  #eltchat

cerirhiannon

10/9/2013 20:33

RT @HanaTicha: @ELTExperiences Better than the other way around :-)  #eltchat > agree Hana!

cerirhiannon

10/9/2013 20:33

RT @HanaTicha: @cerirhiannon @MicaelaCarey Yes, seems to work great with project work  #eltchat > yup :)

HanaTicha

10/9/2013 20:33

Now and then we do 'project' days and mix classes..good experience  #eltchat

Shaunwilden

10/9/2013 20:34

RT @HanaTicha: Now and then we do 'project' days and mix classes..good experience  #eltchat

Marisa_C

10/9/2013 20:34

RT @HanaTicha: @cerirhiannon @MicaelaCarey Yes, seems to work great with project work  #eltchat  > all age groups?

mattellman

10/9/2013 20:34

@HanaTicha Mixing levels or ages? Or both? #eltchat

cioccas

10/9/2013 20:35

And sometimes get parent & child in same class - new issues! #ELTchat

cerirhiannon

10/9/2013 20:35

RT @HanaTicha:.. mix classes..good experience  #eltchat > we used to have every 4th lesson mixed (ages & levels) 4 team teaching class -fun!

HanaTicha

10/9/2013 20:35

@Marisa_C @cerirhiannon @MicaelaCarey I'd say there is a limit. Can't say exactly but 10-15 is best  #eltchat

mary28sou

10/9/2013 20:35

If group is mostly young then the older Ss could be scribes during role play and discussions! gives them a status #eltchat

HanaTicha

10/9/2013 20:35

@cerirhiannon Sounds great!  #eltchat

cerirhiannon

10/9/2013 20:36

RT @Marisa_C: RT @HanaTicha:  @MicaelaCarey ... project work  #eltchat  > all age groups? > not as young as 5 maybe but mixed teens yes

Marisa_C

10/9/2013 20:36

RT @mary28sou: If group is mostly young then the older Ss could be scribes during role play &discussions! gives them status #eltchat > nice

theteacherjames

10/9/2013 20:36

I enjoy having 'older' people in my class with teenagers. It means I don't have to be dad, I can share the job! #ELTchat

SueAnnan

10/9/2013 20:36

my problem is mixed teens and adults. we have separated out the 50+ though #eltchat

Marisa_C

10/9/2013 20:37

@theteacherjames ha ha - never seen that #eltchat

Shaunwilden

10/9/2013 20:37

@theteacherjames though often its the older people that are harder work #eltchat

cerirhiannon

10/9/2013 20:37

RT @theteacherjames: 'older' people in my class with teenagers. It means I don't have to be dad, I can share the job! #ELTchat > nice!

HanaTicha

10/9/2013 20:37

Funny that the younger ss are much more creative. The older 'know' more. Good combination  #eltchat

Shaunwilden

10/9/2013 20:38

RT @HanaTicha: Funny that the younger ss are much more creative. The older 'know' more. Good combination  #eltchat

theteacherjames

10/9/2013 20:38

@Shaunwilden hehe, not for me so far, but I can believe you! #ELTchat

cerirhiannon

10/9/2013 20:38

RT @cioccas: And sometimes get parent & child in same class - new issues! #ELTchat > oh yes akin to the boss/worker problem ;)

Marisa_C

10/9/2013 20:38

Are there any limitations to those mixed age groups you would prefer to have - e.g. no teens and grandads or what? #eltchat

MicaelaCarey

10/9/2013 20:38

@cerirhiannon @HanaTicha #eltchat  Project work and games/activities in various corners of the room- fun for the kids/ tiring for T!

cioccas

10/9/2013 20:38

@HanaTicha Except for the younger ones who think they know it all! ;-) #ELTchat

cerirhiannon

10/9/2013 20:39

RT @Shaunwilden: @theteacherjames though often its the older people that are harder work #eltchat> I can relate to that!

theteacherjames

10/9/2013 20:39

@Marisa_C it means there's more than one person they need to respect, keeps them in line! They are good kids though. #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

10/9/2013 20:39

@Marisa_C no not really if they're all adults then so be it #eltchat

HanaTicha

10/9/2013 20:41

@theteacherjames @Marisa_C Doy they really respect the adults in the class? Or accept them as peers?  #eltchat

cerirhiannon

10/9/2013 20:41

RT @Marisa_C:  any limitations to  mixed age groups you would prefer e.g. no teens and grandads or what? #eltchat > + 14 for "adult" class?

cioccas

10/9/2013 20:41

@Marisa_C Think I'd like to have the teens separate & elders separate (if they want it) but not possible #ELTchat

cerirhiannon

10/9/2013 20:41

RT @MicaelaCarey:  @HanaTicha #eltchat games/activities in various corners of the room- fun for the kids/ tiring for T! > gr8 4 fitness ;)

mattellman

10/9/2013 20:42

@HanaTicha @theteacherjames @Marisa_C If everyone is there to learn then the respect is there #eltchat

Shaunwilden

10/9/2013 20:42

RT @mattellman: @HanaTicha @theteacherjames @Marisa_C If everyone is there to learn then the respect is there #eltchat

cioccas

10/9/2013 20:43

@HanaTicha @theteacherjames @Marisa_C Could be hard for older adults who feel they lose face/respect in class #ELTchat

HanaTicha

10/9/2013 20:43

@mattellman @theteacherjames @Marisa_C Yes, but the kids don't want to learn consciously. They want to play. Problem.  #eltchat

cerirhiannon

10/9/2013 20:44

I think  one problem with the teen/older adult mix is the pace? teens needs quicker transitions ? #eltchat (not wanting to generalise!)

HanaTicha

10/9/2013 20:44

@cioccas @theteacherjames @Marisa_C Agree!  #eltchat Doctors, lawyers, politicians mixed with teens - funny :-)

cerirhiannon

10/9/2013 20:44

RT @cioccas: @HanaTicha @theteacherjames @Marisa_C Could be hard for older adults who feel they lose face/respect in class #ELTchat

theteacherjames

10/9/2013 20:44

@HanaTicha @Marisa_C It's a mixture of both. There's definitely a mutual respect there too. #ELTChat

mattellman

10/9/2013 20:44

@HanaTicha @theteacherjames @Marisa_C I'm talking with 17/18 and older.  Younger groups need to be divided #eltchat

MicaelaCarey

10/9/2013 20:44

@mattellman @HanaTicha @theteacherjames @Marisa_C #eltchat But some teens are obligated by parents- don't really want to be there

Marisa_C

10/9/2013 20:45

@cerirhiannon teens are at the prime of their L2 acquisition - after 16 all downhill :-D - hard for a, say, 60 yr old to keep uo #eltchat

Shaunwilden

10/9/2013 20:45

@cerirhiannon well they think they reed quicker transitions but sometimes they need do things too quickly #eltchat

cioccas

10/9/2013 20:45

Try to arrange tasks & activities so that everyone has chance to 'shine' in class at some time (as well as struggle!) #ELTchat

mattellman

10/9/2013 20:45

@MicaelaCarey @HanaTicha @theteacherjames @Marisa_C True but some of these benefit from the diligence of more mature classmates #eltchat

cerirhiannon

10/9/2013 20:46

RT @Marisa_C: @cerirhiannon hard for a 60 yr old to keep uo #eltchat > yp, but it does depend on the individs too - had some V slow teens!!

theteacherjames

10/9/2013 20:46

@mattellman @HanaTicha @Marisa_C in my classes the youngest I have with adults is 14, but it doesn't fundamentally change things. #eltchat

Marisa_C

10/9/2013 20:46

@cioccas I think inevitable then we are talking abt mixed ability teaching with a sprig of sth abt diff attitudes not just levels #eltchat

cerirhiannon

10/9/2013 20:46

RT @cioccas: Try to arrange tasks & activities so that everyone has chance to 'shine' in class at some time (as well as struggle!) #ELTchat

HanaTicha

10/9/2013 20:47

This seems to be mainly a problem in ELT - adults & teens, etc.  #eltchat or languages generally

theteacherjames

10/9/2013 20:47

@mattellman @MicaelaCarey @HanaTicha @Marisa_C That's how I see it, my teens benefit from participating in grown up conversation #eltchat

Shaunwilden

10/9/2013 20:47

@Marisa_C @cerirhiannon though on the bbc today they were talking about how critical 2-4 years is http://t.co/8Y99dk9gJ6 #eltchat

mattellman

10/9/2013 20:47

RT @cioccas Try to arrange tasks & activities so that everyone has chance to 'shine' in class at some time (as well as struggle!) #ELTchat

cerirhiannon

10/9/2013 20:48

RT @Marisa_C: @cioccas mixed ability, diff attitudes not just levels #eltchat > a wider range of  needs/wants & learning styles too maybe?

cioccas

10/9/2013 20:48

@Marisa_C True! But I was thinking about a couple of older Ss when I wrote that.  #ELTchat

HanaTicha

10/9/2013 20:49

Generally younger ss are more fluent and older more accurate, agree?  #eltchat

cioccas

10/9/2013 20:49

Tech issues, might have to give up for rest of #ELTchat

Marisa_C

10/9/2013 20:49

@HanaTicha more cautious rather than accurate I would say #eltchat

mattellman

10/9/2013 20:50

@HanaTicha Nope, depends very much on the individual stds #eltchat

sllengua

10/9/2013 20:50

RT @ShellTerrell: via @yearinthelifeof My presentation at INGED 2013 http://t.co/fKQkIoPudp #eltchat #esl

cerirhiannon

10/9/2013 20:50

RT @Marisa_C: @HanaTicha more cautious rather than accurate I would say #eltchat > & possibly more hung upon accuracy?

Shaunwilden

10/9/2013 20:50

@HanaTicha people often say that but it depends in each sts #eltchat

HanaTicha

10/9/2013 20:50

@Marisa_C Yes, more cautious and that's why more accurate? :-)  #eltchat

cerirhiannon

10/9/2013 20:50

RT @Shaunwilden: @HanaTicha people often say that but it depends in each sts #eltchat > yup, always does :)

Marisa_C

10/9/2013 20:51

@HanaTicha not been my experience -  but hey my experience not the be all :-D #eltchat

cerirhiannon

10/9/2013 20:51

sometimes older students (e.g. retired) have a lot more time to dedicate to studying #eltchat

HanaTicha

10/9/2013 20:52

So this accuracy vs fluency distinction can be exploited in mixed abil classes  #eltchat

Marisa_C

10/9/2013 20:52

RT @cerirhiannon: sometimes older students (e.g. retired) have a lot more time to dedicate to studying #eltchat

MicaelaCarey

10/9/2013 20:53

@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C @cerirhiannon  critical 2-4 years http://t.co/KCQXRmhe0C  #eltchat My students start at 4- maybe should start before!

cerirhiannon

10/9/2013 20:53

RT @Shaunwilden: well they think they need quicker transitions but sometimes they need do things too quickly #eltchat > v true often

HanaTicha

10/9/2013 20:53

@cerirhiannon More time and will :-)  #eltchat

cerirhiannon

10/9/2013 20:54

RT @HanaTicha: @cerirhiannon More time and will :-)  #eltchat yes, sometimes ;)

HanaTicha

10/9/2013 20:55

And older ones are more dependent on translation and gramm. explanations  #eltchat

cerirhiannon

10/9/2013 20:56

RT @HanaTicha:  older more dependent on translation &gramm  #eltchat > this usually depends on their edu background - have seen the opposite

HanaTicha

10/9/2013 20:57

Younger ss don't need to understand every word. Can also be exploited in mixed-aged classes  #eltchat

Shaunwilden

10/9/2013 20:57

As we get towards the end, anyone want to summarise? #eltchat

HanaTicha

10/9/2013 20:57

@cerirhiannon Sure. There are exceptions :-)  #eltchat

cerirhiannon

10/9/2013 20:58

RT @HanaTicha: ...understand every word.   #eltchat >  some older s have experience of communicating in other L2 this too can be exploited

MicaelaCarey

10/9/2013 20:58

@cerirhiannon @HanaTicha #eltchat I agree- some that have been learning English many years have diff approach

theteacherjames

10/9/2013 20:58

Who'd like to summarise for us? We don't mind how old you are! #ELTChat

HanaTicha

10/9/2013 20:59

@cerirhiannon Definitely an advantage.  #eltchat

Marisa_C

10/9/2013 20:59

RT @theteacherjames: Who'd like to summarise for us? We don't mind how old you are! #ELTChat

Shaunwilden

10/9/2013 21:00

and so the hour passes see you all next week #eltchat

Marisa_C

10/9/2013 21:00

sorry my tweetdeck playing up here - or is it my age? :-D #eltchat

HanaTicha

10/9/2013 21:01

Good night, everyone. Nice chat.  #eltchat

cerirhiannon

10/9/2013 21:01

RT @Marisa_C: sorry my tweetdeck playing up here - or is it my age? :-D #eltchat> definitely  tweetdeck  :)

cerirhiannon

10/9/2013 21:01

RT @HanaTicha: Good night, everyone. Nice chat.  #eltchat > night Hana - good to meet you!  :)

mattellman

10/9/2013 21:01

Night all, young and old! Thanks for the #ELTchat

jhigginsteacher

10/9/2013 21:02

RT @Marisa_C: sorry my tweetdeck playing up here - or is it my age? :-D #eltchat

visserschool

10/9/2013 21:02

RT @edutopia: "We think with words, therefore, to improve thinking, teach vocabulary." #engchat #ELTchat http://t.co/bTOVKQ1OTz

HanaTicha

10/9/2013 21:02

@cerirhiannon Good night, Ceri :-) Nice to meet you too.  #eltchat

Marisa_C

10/9/2013 21:02

@cerirhiannon always positive! :-  ) thanks for joining @HanaTicha @mattellman @MicaelaCarey  @cioccas good to #eltchat with u all

ELTExperiences

10/9/2013 21:03

@HanaTicha very true! #eltchat

Marisa_C

10/9/2013 21:03

Have we got a summary writer then? #eltchat we dont have one for lunchtime either

MicaelaCarey

10/9/2013 21:05

@Marisa_C @cerirhiannon @HanaTicha @mattellman @cioccas Thanks for another great #eltchat! @Shaunwilden @theteacherjames