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Marisa_C
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10/02/2013 14:00
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Hello everyone - it's time for #ELTchat - we will be talking about staging successful speaking activities with large classes for abt an hour
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Marisa_C
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10/02/2013 14:01
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Who's joining #ELTchat today? We need some Ts with expertise in teaching large classes!!!
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Shaunwilden
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10/02/2013 13:01
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RT @Marisa_C: Hello everyone - it's time for #ELTchat - we will be talking about staging successful speaking activities with large classes …
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KhansaThamir
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10/02/2013 14:01
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RT @Marisa_C: Hello everyone - it's time for #ELTchat - we will be talking about staging successful speaking activities with large classes …
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teacherkristina
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10/02/2013 18:02
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#eltchat Hello! I offer 30+ students ... @Marisa_C
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jodi_in_HH
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10/02/2013 11:02
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RT @JoshSRound: Seminars - recorded & online | EnglishAgenda | British Council | @scoopit http://t.co/7HHDY145gU > great CPD resource #eltc…
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Marisa_C
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10/02/2013 14:02
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@teacherkristina hi and welcome - you certainly qualify!!! :-) #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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10/02/2013 13:03
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I've never taught large classes #eltchat
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esolcourses
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10/02/2013 12:03
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@Marisa_C Joining, though not that much experience of large classes, tbh. How are we defining large? :-) #eltchat
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teacherkristina
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10/02/2013 18:03
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@Shaunwilden How large is large? #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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10/02/2013 14:03
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@Shaunwilden I haven't taught large classes either - can only offer tips gained from workshops with very large grps of Ts not same #eLTchat
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Marisa_C
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10/02/2013 14:04
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@esolcourses Large is anything you feel is too large to manage I guess #eltchat
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PatrickAndrews
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10/02/2013 11:04
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@teacherkristina @Shaunwilden I think the size of the room makes a difference #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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10/02/2013 13:04
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@teacherkristina To be honest no idea what the topic setter had in mind #eltchat
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esolcourses
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10/02/2013 12:05
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RT @Marisa_C: @esolcourses Large is anything you feel is too large to manage I guess #eltchat
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PatrickAndrews
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10/02/2013 11:05
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@teacherkristina @Shaunwilden Perhaps where the conditions are cramped is more the point than numbers #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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10/02/2013 14:05
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@cioccas set the topic and she was interested in managing speaking activs with large (possibly unruly) grps of teens #eltchat
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esolcourses
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10/02/2013 12:05
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RT @PatrickAndrews: @teacherkristina @Shaunwilden I think the size of the room makes a difference #eltchat yes, agree
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Marisa_C
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10/02/2013 14:06
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@BobK99 for some 20 is a very small class -in Greece with usual No 8-10 max this sounds like a large class #eltchat
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teacherkristina
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10/02/2013 18:07
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@Shaunwilden #eltchat my feeling of large starts at about 20, agree with roomsize matters and layout too
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cioccas
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10/02/2013 21:07
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@Marisa_C No, not me. No unruly teens, no large groups. #ELTchat
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Marisa_C
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10/02/2013 14:08
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@cioccas ok sorry!!!! Take it back! #eltchat
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dspeicher27
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10/02/2013 19:08
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Hi #ELTchat in the Philippines our avg class size is 45 students
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Marisa_C
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10/02/2013 14:08
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So what are the problems while doing speaking with large groups? #eltchat
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teacherkristina
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10/02/2013 18:08
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#eltchat monitoring is difficult
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BobK99
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10/02/2013 12:09
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@Marisa_C #eltchat 20 may be an oversetimate - it was all of 5 yrs ago. As I remember there were 4 or 5 groups of 3 or 4.
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teacherkristina
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10/02/2013 18:09
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#eltchat error correction can be too -depends on your stance towards ec, I like to correct a lot
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Penultimate_K
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10/02/2013 11:09
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@Marisa_C Managing T-S interaction fairly. #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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10/02/2013 14:09
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RT @teacherkristina: #eltchat monitoring is difficult > Any suggestions for that? Can S monitors be appointed ?
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esolcourses
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10/02/2013 12:10
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IME, roleplay works well with large groups. Choose a situation & give learners roles to act out (or get them to make up their own) #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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10/02/2013 14:10
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RT @Penultimate_K: @Marisa_C Managing T-S interaction fairly. #eltchat > true diff to be fair in dstributing talk
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teacherkristina
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10/02/2013 18:11
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@Marisa_C #eltchat monitoring works well, needs modelling
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Marisa_C
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10/02/2013 14:11
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RT @teacherkristina: @Marisa_C S monitors works well after modelling > perhaps if they had a checklist of what to focus on? #eltchat
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teacherkristina
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10/02/2013 18:11
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#eltchat yep, I've given them language points to focus on, 1 or 2 usually
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dspeicher27
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10/02/2013 19:12
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MT @esolcourses: IME, roleplay works well with large groups...agreed ever try readers theater? #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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10/02/2013 13:12
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Isn't dealing with feedback one of the biggest issues #eltchat
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jobethsteel
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10/02/2013 11:13
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#eltchat Had up to 23 at uni. can't monitor every activity. tell sts this. Do 1 group then another. Lots of peer corretion.
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Marisa_C
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10/02/2013 14:13
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@BrunoELT hello Brazil! #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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10/02/2013 14:13
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RT @jobethsteel: #eltchat Had up to 23 at uni. can't monitor every activity. tell sts this. Do 1 group then another. Lots of peer correti…
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MrChrisJWilson
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10/02/2013 14:13
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Hello #eltchat nice to see you all again.
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esolcourses
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10/02/2013 12:13
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@dspeicher27 can't say I have, though I've worked with learners to devise their own scripts once or twice #eltchat
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dspeicher27
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10/02/2013 19:15
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@esolcourses yah it's kinda like that...it's great for speaking tasks and reading fluency..no memorization #ELTchat
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Penultimate_K
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10/02/2013 11:15
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@Shaunwilden It can be. But it helps of you deal with most pressing & common concerns first, then schedule the rest for post-class. #eltchat
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teacherkristina
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10/02/2013 18:15
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@esolcourses #eltchat how do you handle timing of rp when 1 group finishes way ahead of the others?
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Marisa_C
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10/02/2013 14:15
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@Shaunwilden RT @Shaunwilden: Isn't dealing with feedback one of the biggest issues #eltchat > can be - Any suggestions?
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Shaunwilden
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10/02/2013 13:15
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@Penultimate_K Post class? #eltchat
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esolcourses
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10/02/2013 12:16
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@teacherkristina I tend to take a more unplugged approach, i.e. in theory, they should either be taking part or watching the others #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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10/02/2013 14:16
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@teacherkristina @esolcourses usually ask them to snoop over what other grps are doing :-) spy on them #eltchat to compare ideas
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louisealix68
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10/02/2013 13:16
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@jobethsteel @Marisa_C have 35 16 -18 yr olds in my class. Have become very creative #eltchat
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BobK99
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10/02/2013 12:16
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MT @jobethsteel #eltchat ... Lots of peer corretion > Yes, needs must, but PC can favour the loudest. As a S, I found this galling.
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Penultimate_K
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10/02/2013 11:17
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@Shaunwilden Yes. Those 10 or so minutes after class has been dismissed or if you take appts to talk to SS outside of class. #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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10/02/2013 14:17
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@teacherkristina @esolcourses Send out a spy to diff groups #eltchat
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teacherkristina
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10/02/2013 18:17
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@Marisa_C @esolcourses #eltchat I like the spying :)
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louisealix68
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10/02/2013 13:17
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#eltchat am reading on way to uni in bus. iPhone not great for joining in
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Marisa_C
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10/02/2013 14:17
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@louisealix68 @jobethsteel would love to hear your ideas abt dealing with probs #eltchat
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MrChrisJWilson
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10/02/2013 14:17
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I guess even in "larger" classes you don't want to have the same answer again and again taking up time from the next activity. #eltchat
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louisealix68
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10/02/2013 13:18
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#eltchat peer feedback using soundcloud. Teacher checks at random
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Marisa_C
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10/02/2013 14:18
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@teacherkristina :-) #eltchat do it with my trainees too - they love it
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esolcourses
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10/02/2013 12:18
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@teacherkristina example scenario: an incident - some s's are involved, others witnesses, passers by, police taking statements, etc #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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10/02/2013 14:19
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@louisealix68 may be voxopop or sth like that - what tool ? voicethread? #eltchat
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louisealix68
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10/02/2013 13:19
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@Marisa_C @jobethsteel #eltchat mostly involves small groups and clear division if roles. Eg "expert" groups
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teacherkristina
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10/02/2013 18:20
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@esolcourses #eltchat and it works for all levels!
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Penultimate_K
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10/02/2013 11:20
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@louisealix68 Also real-time feedback from T or classmates using Audionote (if focus is speaking) #eltchat
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MrChrisJWilson
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10/02/2013 14:20
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I remember one I heard called "goldfish bowl" where you have observers round the edge observing (confident?) sts #eltchat
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BobK99
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10/02/2013 12:20
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MT @teacherkristina @Marisa_C @esolcourses ... #eltchat I like the spying :) > Good idea. It becomes a sort of 'prize'.
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louisealix68
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10/02/2013 13:20
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@Marisa_C I like soundcloud best #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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10/02/2013 14:20
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@BrunoELT absolutely right - careful prep and guidance crucial (for all grps to be honest not just large classes) #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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10/02/2013 13:20
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@louisealix68 @Marisa_C Soundcloud is good cos you can leave feedback within the recording #eltchat
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jobethsteel
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10/02/2013 11:20
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@BrunoELT agree #eltchat
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MrChrisJWilson
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10/02/2013 14:21
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@BrunoELT No i mean if you have 10 groups and you ask the answer from every group you have a long time of 9 groups not speaking #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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10/02/2013 14:21
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@MrChrisJWilson Sounds very much like what you do in Silent Way - Ss work in 'waves' inner vs outer circle #eltchat
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louisealix68
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10/02/2013 13:21
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Bus arriving. Got to go. Will read more when lift hits 20th floor #eltchat
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esolcourses
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10/02/2013 12:21
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@teacherkristina generally, yes - though sometimes shyer students may need to be coaxed a bit :-) #eltchat
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MrChrisJWilson
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10/02/2013 14:21
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@BrunoELT Maybe it's better to get feedback from only 5 groups this time and 5 groups from the next activity #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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10/02/2013 14:22
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@MrChrisJWilson one on the web with Donald Freeman #eltchat will find
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Marisa_C
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10/02/2013 14:23
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@BrunoELT @louisealix68 me neither #eltchat not for this anyways just to upload sounds
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MrChrisJWilson
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10/02/2013 14:24
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@BrunoELT I think you just added to it! I was only at half a thought there #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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10/02/2013 14:24
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I think so far we have all agreed that you really need thorough prepping and strong class management re ICQs etc as a start point #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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10/02/2013 13:25
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RT @Marisa_C: I think so far we have all agreed that you really need thorough prepping and strong class management re ICQs etc as a start p…
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Marisa_C
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10/02/2013 14:26
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I havent tried this one - but couldnt the T take aside a small team of monitors who circulate and note down stuff? #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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10/02/2013 13:27
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@BrunoELT @louisealix68 @Marisa_C I think @theteacherjames blogged about using sound cloud #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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10/02/2013 14:27
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T can brief them - it doesn't actually matter what they note down - there's value in whatever is shown at end #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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10/02/2013 14:27
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@Shaunwilden thanks :-) #eltchat
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jobethsteel
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10/02/2013 11:28
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#eltchat main prob for me is space provided and echo in lecture rooms - can't hear anything! No solution for this. Managing spking not prob
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teacherkristina
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10/02/2013 18:28
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@Marisa_C #eltchat sounds good!
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Marisa_C
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10/02/2013 14:28
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RT @voigto: @Marisa_C 26 in y10, 31 in y5, 23 y11/12. Normal class size in German secondary schools #eltchat
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MrChrisJWilson
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10/02/2013 14:28
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I would imagine drama and role play would be better with larger classes. Shy students feel less watched/listened to? #eltchat
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MrChrisJWilson
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10/02/2013 14:29
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@jobethsteel I would imagine getting round a lecture room would be more difficult too! #eltchat
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esolcourses
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10/02/2013 12:29
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RT @MrChrisJWilson imagine drama & role play would be better with larger classes. Shy students feel less watched/listened to? #eltchat agree
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jobethsteel
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10/02/2013 11:29
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@MrChrisJWilson #eltchat Horrid!
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Penultimate_K
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10/02/2013 11:29
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@Marisa_C You have to be careful with this.The monitors will have to perceive the learning benefit for themselves if it's to work. #eltchat
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BobK99
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10/02/2013 12:29
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RT @BobK99 @Marisa_C Again, make that a prize - first to finish this exercise get to monitor the next. #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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10/02/2013 14:30
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Some lessons which include learner training abt how u work, how to collaborate, what good learners do etc might be good #eltchat
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jobethsteel
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10/02/2013 11:30
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@BobK99 @Marisa_C #eltchat or extent tasks, set time limits, allow time outs.
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Marisa_C
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10/02/2013 14:31
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@Penultimate_K roles can change - you could have a ready set of role cards - secretary - monitor - liaison officer - artist etc #eltchat
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jobethsteel
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10/02/2013 11:32
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@Marisa_C #eltchat yes re learner training and how tasks similar to real life - waiting for others to finish etc ...
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Penultimate_K
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10/02/2013 11:32
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@Marisa_C A lot of work & you'd need to explain the benefit of each role before commencing. #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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10/02/2013 14:32
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@jobethsteel Learn more about teaching mixed ability classes #eltchat - have some stuff up your sleeve yes
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esolcourses
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10/02/2013 12:32
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RT @Marisa_C: Some lessons which include learner training abt how u work, how to collaborate, what good learners do etc might be good #eltc…
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Shaunwilden
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10/02/2013 13:32
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While there's a lot of good advise here, is this relevant to all classes rather than large classes per se? #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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10/02/2013 14:32
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@Penultimate_K that should be part of your learner training stretch not every lesson methinks #eltchat
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ELTchat
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10/02/2013 13:33
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RT @Shaunwilden: While there's a lot of good advise here, is this relevant to all classes rather than large classes per se? #eltchat YES
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esolcourses
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10/02/2013 12:34
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RT @ELTchat: RT @Shaunwilden: While there's a lot of good advise here, is this relevant to all classes rather than large classes per se? #…
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Marisa_C
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10/02/2013 14:34
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@Shaunwilden that was me :-) I tweeted from #eltchat by mistake
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Shaunwilden
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10/02/2013 13:34
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@Marisa_C Well i guessed that as it wasn't me :-) #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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10/02/2013 13:35
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@Marisa_C What i meant was that is there anything specific to large classes? #eltchat
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BobK99
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10/02/2013 12:35
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MT @Shaunwilden ... is this relevant to all classes rather than large classes per se? #eltchat > Bound to be, as def of 'large' is fuzzy
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Penultimate_K
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10/02/2013 11:35
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@Marisa_C Which assumes that the opportunity is there to include learner training. What if you have rolling enrolment/set intakes? #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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10/02/2013 14:35
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Looks like while planning the activity you need some options and alternatives for early finishers, slow Ss, etc? #eltchat
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louisealix68
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10/02/2013 13:35
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ok I'm back. Am trying to read to see what I've missed. #eltchat (incidentally the view from up here is great!)
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Marisa_C
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10/02/2013 14:36
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@Penultimate_K I don't really know about that - may this can be part of a wiki or sth? how often? #eltchat
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jobethsteel
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10/02/2013 11:36
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@Penultimate_K @Marisa_C #eltchat Deal with it on your platform and keep banging on about it.
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teacherkristina
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10/02/2013 18:37
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@Marisa_C #eltchat yes - the larger the class, the more mixed abilities, generally - more options necessary
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Shaunwilden
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10/02/2013 13:38
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RT @teacherkristina: @Marisa_C #eltchat yes - the larger the class, the more mixed abilities, generally - more options necessary
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Marisa_C
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10/02/2013 14:38
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@jobethsteel te he he - banging on :-D #eltchat true - this is what we often do on automatic pilot anyways
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louisealix68
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10/02/2013 13:38
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speed dating works well in large groups. Is safe (foreign language anxiety) though noisy #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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10/02/2013 14:39
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RT @louisealix68: speed dating works well in large groups. Is safe (foreign language anxiety) though noisy #eltchat >LOVE speed dating YES
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teacherkristina
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10/02/2013 18:39
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@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C #eltchat from my experience, management/task allocation becomes more important
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esolcourses
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10/02/2013 12:39
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RT @louisealix68: speed dating works well in large groups. Is safe (foreign language anxiety) though noisy #eltchat
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jobethsteel
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10/02/2013 11:39
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@Marisa_C #eltchat Tis true - learner trainiing never ends ...
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Shaunwilden
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10/02/2013 13:39
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RT @teacherkristina: @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C #eltchat from my experience, management/task allocation becomes more important - yes agreed
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Penultimate_K
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10/02/2013 11:40
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RT @teacherkristina: @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C #eltchat from my experience, management/task allocation becomes more important
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esolcourses
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10/02/2013 12:40
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@Marisa_C @louisealix68 could do a variation on this for business introductions/job interviews (borrowed idea from @annhodge :-) ) #eltchat
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BobK99
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10/02/2013 12:41
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MT @louisealix68 .... safe (foreign language anxiety) though noisy #eltchat > Learning langs is noisy. Lang rooms need better sound-prfing!
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Marisa_C
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10/02/2013 14:42
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What about using mobile phones for recordings #eltchat - suddenly dawned on me that's what you meant by using soundcloud duh!!!!
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louisealix68
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10/02/2013 13:42
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also do running dictation - is monologic on whole, but practises pronunciation & listening #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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10/02/2013 13:42
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@Marisa_C Yes they make feedback much easier #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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10/02/2013 14:43
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@louisealix68 great idea but we are focusing on speaking actitities today :-) #eltchat
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jobethsteel
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10/02/2013 11:43
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@Marisa_C Trouble for me with phone recordings is the background noise and quality of sts' phones. #eltchat can work depends on room.
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Shaunwilden
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10/02/2013 13:44
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@jobethsteel @Marisa_C While i take the point I think they work enough to help analyse how well the task went #eltchat
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teacherkristina
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10/02/2013 18:44
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@Marisa_C #eltchat waving from my cave - soundcloud?
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Tom_IHBCN
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10/02/2013 13:44
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Not sure how this idea for grades would work in ELT, but it's such a cool idea! http://t.co/bqb0VBu4up #ELT #eltchat
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Penultimate_K
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10/02/2013 11:44
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@Marisa_C Works very well. SS record themselves on own phone & on others' phones. Dictation or dictogloss to follow. #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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10/02/2013 13:44
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@teacherkristina @Marisa_C http://t.co/Fq3vlLqWky also has app for both IOS and android #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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10/02/2013 14:45
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@teacherkristina yoohoo !! @Shaunwilden did blog post - check transcript later! #eltchat
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Penultimate_K
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10/02/2013 11:45
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@jobethsteel Background noise desirable - teaches true listening. #eltchat @Marisa_C
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teacherkristina
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10/02/2013 18:46
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@Marisa_C @Shaunwilden #eltchat will do
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louisealix68
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10/02/2013 13:46
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Link to example using soundcloud & 'feedback'-ish #eltchat http://t.co/xAsXOMqln4
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BobK99
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10/02/2013 12:47
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@Penultimate_K @jobethsteel @Marisa_C Like John Peel UK DJ) in defence of vinyl: 'But life has surface noise, don't you think?' #eltchat :-)
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jobethsteel
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10/02/2013 11:48
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@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C #eltchat when background noise means I can't understand sts, get them to repeat at home and then I assess
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Marisa_C
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10/02/2013 14:48
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@Tom_IHBCN Positive rewards rather than grades? E.g. for best participation - longest list of ideas - fewest errors etc? #eltchat
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jobethsteel
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10/02/2013 11:49
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@Marisa_C @Tom_IHBCN #eltchat Always positive, yes.
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Marisa_C
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10/02/2013 14:50
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May be change attitude and see class speaking as a rehearsal - then groups go on the soundcloud for the performance!!! #eltchat
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Shaunwilden
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10/02/2013 13:51
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@Marisa_C Class as rehearsal would seem like a good use of class time #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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10/02/2013 14:51
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@Shaunwilden I thought that was my best idea today - I am about to faint now #eltchat :-D
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Shaunwilden
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10/02/2013 13:52
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@Marisa_C Yes your work is done ;-0 #Eltchat
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Marisa_C
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10/02/2013 14:52
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Background noise is my brain cells dying :-D #Eltchat
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Marisa_C
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10/02/2013 14:52
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Hello? #eltchat
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Penultimate_K
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10/02/2013 11:53
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@jobethsteel It would be have to be pretty bad to result in zero understanding. #eltchat @BobK99 @Marisa_C
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Shaunwilden
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10/02/2013 13:54
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Would anyone like to do the summary? #eltchat
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teacherkristina
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10/02/2013 18:54
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@Marisa_C #eltchat still here, connection is not good
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teacherkristina
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10/02/2013 18:54
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@Shaunwilden #eltchat yep. never done this before, any instructions?
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Marisa_C
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10/02/2013 14:56
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@teacherkristina great welcome back - thanks for offering to do summary - will find instructions for u #eltchat
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louisealix68
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10/02/2013 13:57
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whoops sorry 4 typo in last tweet. juggling attention not good. #eltchat
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BobK99
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10/02/2013 12:57
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Gotta go. Thanks all at #eltchat
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teacherkristina
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10/02/2013 18:57
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@Marisa_C #eltchat @Shaunwilden cheers :)
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Shaunwilden
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10/02/2013 13:58
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The #eltchat at 21pm is Career advancement options for EFL teachers
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TSNStation
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10/02/2013 04:58
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RT @ShellTerrell: American TESOL Webinar – 10 Professional Development Tips for English Language Teaching http://t.co/5eqNA8kCV2 #esl #eltc…
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jobethsteel
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10/02/2013 11:58
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#eltchatThanks mods and all.Bye:-)
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Marisa_C
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10/02/2013 14:59
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Thanks to all for joining - we d better wrap up now - thanks for sharing ideas #eltchat and see you soon!!! :-)
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teacherkristina
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10/02/2013 18:59
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@Marisa_C #eltchat good night!
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chaviracorona
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10/02/2013 12:00
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#eltchat Does anybody have any tips on how to minimize background noise while recording students?
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esolcourses
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10/02/2013 13:01
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Thanks for a great chat everyone! Catch you later :-) #ELTchat
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Jananstwit
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10/02/2013 15:04
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Fabulous session on using song for teaching English at #ACAL2013 - see http://t.co/yovqTQ2ByK for terrific resources #ELTchat via @cioccas
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