| username |
date |
time |
status |
| BobK99 |
5/22/2013 |
1:59 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: About to get going on our first #ELTchat - ... helping interm Ss get off that famous plateau-join us in 5 or @ 9> ie NOW |
| AlexandraKouk |
5/22/2013 |
2:00 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: About to get going on our first #ELTchat - both chats today dedicated to helping interm Ss get off that famous plateau-join u… |
| jo_sayers |
5/22/2013 |
2:01 PM |
For the next hour my tweets with be #ELTchat - based. We're talking about the intermediate plateau |
| Marisa_C |
5/22/2013 |
2:01 PM |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: I'm getting real-time search results at TweetGrid http://t.co/9FSzmH4C0r #eltchat > join there if tweetdeck pesky |
| Shaunwilden |
5/22/2013 |
2:01 PM |
Plateaus are actually nice places though aren't they? You get a good view #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/22/2013 |
2:01 PM |
Welcome to #ELTchat on intermediate learners stuck on the famous plateau - are we ready to rock n' roll? |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/22/2013 |
2:02 PM |
For the next hour, our tweets will be dedicated to #ELTchat. Over to teacher trainer Verri Toste... |
| Marisa_C |
5/22/2013 |
2:02 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal hya and welcome #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/22/2013 |
2:02 PM |
ready to get past that plateau. Hello everyone on #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/22/2013 |
2:02 PM |
RT @jo_sayers: For the next hour my tweets with be #ELTchat - based. We're talking about the intermediate plateau > me too welcome Jo |
| andrea_rivett |
5/22/2013 |
2:03 PM |
Hi from the far plateau of Australia :) |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/22/2013 |
2:03 PM |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: For the next hour, our tweets will be dedicated to #ELTchat. Over to teacher trainer Verri Toste... #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/22/2013 |
2:03 PM |
#eltchat |
| SSavides |
5/22/2013 |
2:04 PM |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: RT @OUPELTGlobal: For the next hour, our tweets will be dedicated to #ELTchat. Over to teacher trainer Verri Toste... #el… |
| Shaunwilden |
5/22/2013 |
2:04 PM |
I think i might defend plateaus for the next hour :-) #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/22/2013 |
2:04 PM |
So how do we define an intermediate learner - in ur context how mny yrs or total no of hours of study ? #eltchat |
| prese1 |
5/22/2013 |
2:05 PM |
Hello everyone #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/22/2013 |
2:05 PM |
In Greece they may have studied for anything between 4-6 yrs - not good huh? but kids #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
5/22/2013 |
2:05 PM |
@Marisa_C thats a hard question doesnt it vary all over the place? #eltchat |
| pjgallantry |
5/22/2013 |
2:05 PM |
#ELTchat hi all - hope to join in a bit, but am actually in a lesson with inter deviate, plateau-bound students! |
| Marisa_C |
5/22/2013 |
2:06 PM |
RT @pjgallantry: #ELTchat hi all - hope to join in a bit, but am actually in a lesson with inter deviate, plateau-bound students! > ask THEM |
| Shaunwilden |
5/22/2013 |
2:06 PM |
@Marisa_C Why not good? Do you mean thats too long or not enough time? #eltchat |
| AlexandraKouk |
5/22/2013 |
2:06 PM |
When doing more doesn't get you more according to Sullivan and Thompson #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/22/2013 |
2:07 PM |
@michaelegriffin yikes!! #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/22/2013 |
2:07 PM |
RT @AlexandraKouk: "When doing more doesn't get you more" according to Sullivan and Thompson #eltchat |
| michaelegriffin |
5/22/2013 |
2:07 PM |
@Marisa_C #eltchat I've had students in Korea that would love to be intermediate plateau or not after 15 years of study |
| Marisa_C |
5/22/2013 |
2:07 PM |
@Shaunwilden too long 6 or 7 yrs #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/22/2013 |
2:07 PM |
@Marisa_C For me, my sts reached that intermediate plateau after about 3 years of English (about 320 hours) #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/22/2013 |
2:08 PM |
the problem is not the No of yrs or hours of study but that they are STUCK and dont seem to be making progress or FEEL they arent #ELtchat |
| Shaunwilden |
5/22/2013 |
2:08 PM |
@michaelegriffin @Marisa_C The question there is what defines a year. In my old school a year would be about 120 hours #eltchat |
| michaelegriffin |
5/22/2013 |
2:08 PM |
@Marisa_C #ELTchat heck I've worked with plenty of teachers I wouldn't call intermediate |
| KatySDavies |
5/22/2013 |
2:09 PM |
@Marisa_C definitely I've had Ss in elementary classes feeling that way #eltchat |
| michaelegriffin |
5/22/2013 |
2:09 PM |
RT @andrea_rivett: @michaelegriffin I agree but still they only have intermediate level in receptive skills - lower in productive #ELTchat |
| BobK99 |
5/22/2013 |
2:09 PM |
@Marisa_C #eltchat 4-6 yrs sounds about rt to me (altho the latter 2-3 ys are the plateau - which, as @Shaunwilden says, is no bad thing) |
| jo_sayers |
5/22/2013 |
2:09 PM |
@Marisa_C internet's being funny, trying to get it sorted! If not will have to try and join tonight #eltchat |
| andrea_rivett |
5/22/2013 |
2:09 PM |
@michaelegriffin I agree but still they only have intermediate level in receptive skills - lower in productive #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/22/2013 |
2:10 PM |
@KatySDavies Welcome Katy !! :-) - hope #ELTchat followers had a chance to look at ur prezi and posts abt ur talk on our topic |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/22/2013 |
2:10 PM |
RT @andrea_rivett: @michaelegriffin I agree but still they only have int level in receptive skills - lower in productive #ELTchat #eltchat |
| GradusLanguage |
5/22/2013 |
2:10 PM |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: RT @AlexandraKouk: "When doing more doesn't get you more" according to Sullivan and Thompson #eltchat |
| KatySDavies |
5/22/2013 |
2:11 PM |
@Marisa_C thanks! #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
5/22/2013 |
2:11 PM |
@BobK99 @Marisa_C Now there's an analogy :-) I quite agree though :-) #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/22/2013 |
2:11 PM |
Right or wrong, I've always thought of the plateau as sts needing to USE the English they've learned and not being able to #eltchat |
| BobK99 |
5/22/2013 |
2:11 PM |
@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C #eltchat - need time to take stock and assimilate (like resting a joint after you take it out of the oven...?) |
| AlexandraKouk |
5/22/2013 |
2:12 PM |
Perhaps what defines the plateau feeling can't be measured in language skills proficiency or years but in lack of progress #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/22/2013 |
2:12 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal perhaps - but is that all? just need to use or do they need more #eltchat - i.e. to get on to higher levels |
| Shaunwilden |
5/22/2013 |
2:12 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal How would that be in a L2 environ when they don't have opportunity for much use? #eltchat |
| KatySDavies |
5/22/2013 |
2:13 PM |
the sense that you've 'done it all' is what can be so frustrating - maybe it's about starting to see patterns and make connections #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/22/2013 |
2:13 PM |
@Shaunwilden The difficulty is use is usually in the clsrm - "How was your weekend?" "It IS great." - knowledge but not usage ... #eltchat |
| andrea_rivett |
5/22/2013 |
2:13 PM |
They need to improve independent learning skills and not only English lang skills. #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
5/22/2013 |
2:13 PM |
@AlexandraKouk Or perhaps poorly measured progress? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/22/2013 |
2:14 PM |
Our focus today is not to contest the existence or othewise of a plateau bt how to get stuck Ss out of that rut #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/22/2013 |
2:14 PM |
@Marisa_C My thoughts were always along the lines, once they can use it they would be ready for more language ... #eltchat |
| AlexandraKouk |
5/22/2013 |
2:14 PM |
@Shaunwilden poorly measured or perceived by Ss themselves as a lack of progress #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
5/22/2013 |
2:14 PM |
@prese1 @OUPELTGlobal But then is that the fault of the teacher - not snuff praise, too much correction etc etc #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
5/22/2013 |
2:14 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: May I suggest that we look at different areas and discuss what more and what else can be done to 'de-plateau' them #eltchat |
| prese1 |
5/22/2013 |
2:14 PM |
@Shaunwilden @OUPELTGlobal in class, when they try to speak and feel as though they don't do it very well #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/22/2013 |
2:14 PM |
May I suggest that we look at different areas and discuss what more and what else can be done to 'de-plateau' them #eltchat |
| jo_sayers |
5/22/2013 |
2:15 PM |
Oh dear, bad timing for a net outage! Can't keep up on phone with 3G so will try and join later. Have fun! #ELTchat |
| prese1 |
5/22/2013 |
2:15 PM |
@Shaunwilden @OUPELTGlobal a possibility. Some students have very high expectations #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/22/2013 |
2:15 PM |
@prese1 exactly, it's like they need to deal with all that language thy've learned before moving on #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
5/22/2013 |
2:15 PM |
@AlexandraKouk I'm wondering how much we hammer into them they are not succeeding, creating the air of failure #eltchat |
| elawassell |
5/22/2013 |
2:16 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Our focus today is not to contest the existence or othewise of a plateau bt how to get stuck Ss out of that rut #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/22/2013 |
2:16 PM |
@prese1 or they won't move on until they feel they are "perfect"? #eltchat |
| AlexandraKouk |
5/22/2013 |
2:16 PM |
Here are some reasons for the plateau feeling #eltchat http://t.co/wRGhQPfwmv |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/22/2013 |
2:16 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Our focus today is not to contest the existence or othewise of a plateau bt how to get stuck Ss out of that rut #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
5/22/2013 |
2:17 PM |
RT @pjgallantry: #ELTchat do some students not WANT to get off plateau because they have reached a degree of functional competence? |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/22/2013 |
2:17 PM |
@AlexandraKouk very useful as a poster in class #eltchat |
| pjgallantry |
5/22/2013 |
2:17 PM |
#ELTchat do some students not WANT to get off plateau because they have reached a degree of functional competence? |
| touqo |
5/22/2013 |
2:17 PM |
RT @AlexandraKouk: Here are some reasons for the plateau feeling #eltchat http://t.co/wRGhQPfwmv |
| KatySDavies |
5/22/2013 |
2:17 PM |
@Marisa_C what about helping them to use the things they know to do things they thought they couldn't do #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/22/2013 |
2:18 PM |
RT @pjgallantry: #ELTchat do some students not WANT to get off plateau because they have reached a degree of functional competence? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/22/2013 |
2:18 PM |
@AlexandraKouk I like the analogies to elt we draw from that presentation #eltchat and we know some Ss who fit that bill don't we #ELtchat |
| andrea_rivett |
5/22/2013 |
2:19 PM |
It's more than just reading, writing, listening and speaking - what's their goal? |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/22/2013 |
2:19 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @OUPELTGlobal @AlexandraKouk Thats a good idea, an then a stimulus for a discussion in class #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
5/22/2013 |
2:19 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal @AlexandraKouk Thats a good idea, an then a stimulus for a discussion in class #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/22/2013 |
2:19 PM |
@pjgallantry #ELTchat - excellent question - some Ss don't feel stuck at ALL - but have reached blissful complacency |
| touqo |
5/22/2013 |
2:19 PM |
Takes courage to use a language on daily basis if not a native speaker --> one important reason to get stucked. #eltchat |
| prese1 |
5/22/2013 |
2:20 PM |
@Marisa_C @pjgallantry wondering about how to get them off...#eltchat |
| AlexandraKouk |
5/22/2013 |
2:20 PM |
RT @andrea_rivett: They need to improve independent learning skills and not only English lang skills. #ELTchat |
| michaelegriffin |
5/22/2013 |
2:20 PM |
@Marisa_C @pjgallantry yes no real push to improve more can happen easily I think. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
5/22/2013 |
2:20 PM |
RT @andrea_rivett: It's more than just reading, writing, listening and speaking - what's their goal? |
| elawassell |
5/22/2013 |
2:20 PM |
#ELTchat I'm lurking today from a bookshop in London. Trying to show my friends how it works. Excuse the off-top. |
| BobK99 |
5/22/2013 |
2:21 PM |
@AlexandraKouk #eltchat I thought that first pres was a bit self-serving and not all relevant. I much prefrd @KatySDavies's (smarm :)) |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/22/2013 |
2:21 PM |
RT @AlexandraKouk: RT @andrea_rivett: They need to improve independent learning skills and not only English lang skills. #ELTchat #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/22/2013 |
2:22 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal Yes ! motivation too #ELTchat more so with teens or younger - adults who come to our classes usuall do have that no? |
| Marisa_C |
5/22/2013 |
2:22 PM |
RT @andrea_rivett: They need to improve independent learning skills and not only English lang skills. #ELTchat > a key issue for all areas |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/22/2013 |
2:22 PM |
I think motivation is key at this point - showing they CAN do better, learning skills, short-term goals, ... #eltchat |
| AlexandraKouk |
5/22/2013 |
2:22 PM |
blissful complacency - very apt! lol #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
5/22/2013 |
2:23 PM |
@touqo How would that work in the case of an adult? #eltchat |
| touqo |
5/22/2013 |
2:23 PM |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: I think motivation is key at this point - showing they CAN do better, learning skills, short-term goals, ... #eltchat |
| touqo |
5/22/2013 |
2:23 PM |
Interdisciplinary as a key to get off the plateau? Must use the language to learn some other subject. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/22/2013 |
2:23 PM |
RT @KatySDavies: @BobK99 haha I guess I was talking specifically about languages rather than the plateau feeling in general #ELTchat |
| andrea_rivett |
5/22/2013 |
2:24 PM |
@touqo use the language in an authentic way - not just classroom language. #ELTchat |
| KatySDavies |
5/22/2013 |
2:24 PM |
@Marisa_C yes in my context (private language schools) the adults are usually v motivated otherwise wouldn't be spending the $$$! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/22/2013 |
2:24 PM |
@touqo so that would point towards more ESP or EAP focussed courses? pls comment a bit more #Eltchat |
| AlexandraKouk |
5/22/2013 |
2:25 PM |
a key point of advice in both prez: encourage focus on bottom-up listening aspects, e.g. features of connected speech #eltchat |
| KatySDavies |
5/22/2013 |
2:25 PM |
but sometimes Ss are mistaken about the cause of some of their issues and also a big part of the job is managing expectations #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/22/2013 |
2:25 PM |
@Marisa_C Yes, definitely agree for teens and young adults - they have personal goals that may not be same as classroom #eltchat |
| touqo |
5/22/2013 |
2:26 PM |
RT @andrea_rivett: @touqo use the language in an authentic way - not just classroom language. #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
5/22/2013 |
2:26 PM |
@KatySDavies Thats a really good point #eltchat |
| touqo |
5/22/2013 |
2:26 PM |
@Shaunwilden ah, I was thinking in the context of any ed., also K-12. Re:adults, maybe build courses to include daily activities. #eltchat |
| BookshopEye |
5/22/2013 |
2:26 PM |
RT @elawassell: #ELTchat I'm lurking today from a bookshop in London. Trying to show my friends how it works. Excuse the off-top. |
| KatySDavies |
5/22/2013 |
2:27 PM |
@touqo I agree that studying the language as an end in itself is problematic at that level when you feel you've 'done it' already #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
5/22/2013 |
2:27 PM |
@touqo Yes I can see it working there was just widening it to include all learners of english. #eltchat |
| AlexandraKouk |
5/22/2013 |
2:28 PM |
RT @BobK99: RT @Shaunwilden: @KatySDavies Thats a really good point #eltchat > that is 'a big part of the job is managing expectations' |
| BobK99 |
5/22/2013 |
2:28 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @KatySDavies Thats a really good point #eltchat > that is 'a big part of the job is managing expectations' |
| touqo |
5/22/2013 |
2:29 PM |
@Marisa_C yes and K-12 I guess. #eltchat |
| prese1 |
5/22/2013 |
2:29 PM |
My adults are very motivated with English in practical situations.eg checking in at a hotel, going to the chemist's etc #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/22/2013 |
2:29 PM |
@KatySDavies Being at the plateau, not using the English communicativel means forgetting most of it in a short time #eltchat |
| pjgallantry |
5/22/2013 |
2:29 PM |
#ELTchat students need to see practical relevance of language to their lives in order to progress - if not, they stay in the same place |
| andrea_rivett |
5/22/2013 |
2:29 PM |
The continued use of similar-styled course books may be a bit underwhelming for sts - more authentic materials needed. #ELTchat |
| pjgallantry |
5/22/2013 |
2:30 PM |
#ELTchat how much of being on the plateau is about the fear of 'performing' in the real world? |
| Marisa_C |
5/22/2013 |
2:31 PM |
RT @touqo: Expectation management - very important also here! Thanks @KatySDavies for bringing this up! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/22/2013 |
2:31 PM |
RT @pjgallantry: #ELTchat how much of being on the plateau is about the fear of 'performing' in the real world? > for some Ss a LOT! |
| elawassell |
5/22/2013 |
2:31 PM |
RT @pjgallantry: #ELTchat how much of being on the plateau is about the fear of 'performing' in the real world? |
| touqo |
5/22/2013 |
2:31 PM |
Expectation management - very important also here! Thanks @KatySDavies for bringing this up! #eltchat |
| KatySDavies |
5/22/2013 |
2:32 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal definitely, and grammar focus often doesn't investigate differences enough between spoken v written language #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/22/2013 |
2:32 PM |
Do we keep teaching the same way as before or should we change our approach given all issues brought up so far? #Eltchat |
| pjgallantry |
5/22/2013 |
2:33 PM |
#ELTchat I think a step change is useful -sts may need learning skills to apply the language, for example |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/22/2013 |
2:33 PM |
sts need to be aware of their learning at this and make a commitment to continue. Teachers can help in this process #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
5/22/2013 |
2:33 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Do we keep teaching the same way as before or should we change our approach given all issues brought up so far? #Eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/22/2013 |
2:34 PM |
@Shaunwilden I think there is probably a different focus - more emphasis on using the lang, no? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/22/2013 |
2:34 PM |
If sufficient morph awareness should we perhaps focus more on functional awareness? or contrastive use of confusable strucs?#eltchat |
| BobK99 |
5/22/2013 |
2:34 PM |
@KatySDavies #eltchat Not NEARLY enough. Sometimes they're almost different langs. :) |
| KatySDavies |
5/22/2013 |
2:34 PM |
@Marisa_C I think there's such a heavy grammar focus at lower levels that may be justified then, but needs 2change at higher levels #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
5/22/2013 |
2:34 PM |
@Marisa_C It seems to me that there should be more dialogue between sts and teacher #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
5/22/2013 |
2:35 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal by dialogue i meant as in progress, motivation, personalised feedback #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/22/2013 |
2:35 PM |
@andrea_rivett elaborate a bit please? #eltchat |
| KatySDavies |
5/22/2013 |
2:35 PM |
Needs to be more focus not just on using authentic materials but how language is used authentically #eltchat |
| andrea_rivett |
5/22/2013 |
2:35 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Do we keep teaching the same way as before or should we change our approach? > reflective practice! #ELTchat |
| pjgallantry |
5/22/2013 |
2:36 PM |
#ELTchat to use the Nike logo, students should 'just do it!' - and teachers should encourage that independence of spirit |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/22/2013 |
2:36 PM |
@Shaunwilden Oh, I was thinking dialogues, roleplays, simulations, ... #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/22/2013 |
2:36 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @OUPELTGlobal I'd say we should always have emphasis on use :-) #eltchat |
| tomalsop2011 |
5/22/2013 |
2:36 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Do we keep teaching the same way as before or should we change our approach given all issues brought up so far? #Eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
5/22/2013 |
2:36 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal I'd say we should always have emphasis on use :-) #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/22/2013 |
2:37 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @OUPELTGlobal I'd say we should always have emphasis on use :-) #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
5/22/2013 |
2:37 PM |
RT @pjgallantry: #ELTchat to use the Nike logo, students should 'just do it!' - and teachers should encourage that independence of spirit |
| andrea_rivett |
5/22/2013 |
2:37 PM |
@Marisa_C Looking at ourselves and our teaching practice - is it working? Is the plateau something that we can help overcome? #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
5/22/2013 |
2:38 PM |
@BobK99 For sure, however it is noticeable how much sts react positively to a tutorial at the end of the semester #eltchat |
| AlexandraKouk |
5/22/2013 |
2:38 PM |
also, using more TBL or project work may help ss realise how much they can do with the lang they've got? #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/22/2013 |
2:38 PM |
@andrea_rivett I would think a teacher must believe they can (and students too), otherwise very demotivating ... #eltchat |
| KatySDavies |
5/22/2013 |
2:38 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal @Shaunwilden or perhaps how the language is used, & as @Marisa_C said how the same structures are used v differently #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/22/2013 |
2:38 PM |
So we should change our approach to teaching in some way to motivate and give interm Ss a sense of progress? #ELTchat |
| BobK99 |
5/22/2013 |
2:38 PM |
@Shaunwilden #eltchat not enough personal f/b time - same applies to many other professionals. (GPs...) |
| doris3m |
5/22/2013 |
2:39 PM |
RT @AlexandraKouk: also, using more TBL or project work may help ss realise how much they can do with the lang they've got? #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/22/2013 |
2:39 PM |
@Marisa_C yes, giving them a sense of progress is important. The plateau can feel like such a rut. #eltchat |
| KatySDavies |
5/22/2013 |
2:39 PM |
@Marisa_C need balance: showing how much is still out there 2learn 2keep them hungry 4more while showing them how far they've come #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/22/2013 |
2:39 PM |
For me one of the key areas for interm Ss is MASSIVE vocabulary acquisition #ELTchat it's one area which can get Ss out of this so called pl |
| pjgallantry |
5/22/2013 |
2:40 PM |
#ELTchat what do the students who DON'T plateau do that the students stuck there don't? #horriblyphrasedquestion |
| KatySDavies |
5/22/2013 |
2:40 PM |
@Marisa_C agreed I think we don't change our approach much as teachers at that level but they can cope with much more #eltchat |
| prese1 |
5/22/2013 |
2:40 PM |
@KatySDavies @Marisa_C ways of doing this?#eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/22/2013 |
2:40 PM |
RT @AlexandraKouk: also, using more TBL or project work may help ss realise how much they can do with the lang they've got? #eltchat . Yes! |
| andrea_rivett |
5/22/2013 |
2:40 PM |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: @andrea_rivett ..a teacher must believe they can (and students too), otherwise very demotivating > exactly! #ELTchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/22/2013 |
2:41 PM |
@prese1 Maybe using the English they've learned as a basis to learn more #eltchat |
| KatySDavies |
5/22/2013 |
2:41 PM |
or at least receptively they can def cope with more - and they've got more metalanguage and more vocab to explain meanings in L2 #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/22/2013 |
2:41 PM |
RT @pjgallantry: #ELTchat what do the students who DON'T plateau do that the students stuck there don't? #horriblyphrasedquestion |
| pjgallantry |
5/22/2013 |
2:42 PM |
#ELTchat from my experience, students who do more reading on their free time seem to make far greater strides |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/22/2013 |
2:42 PM |
@pjgallantry good question! first theing that popped into my head - they communicate and always need more lang to do it better #eltchat |
| yearinthelifeof |
5/22/2013 |
2:42 PM |
@pjgallantry climb out of the plateau... with great difficulty and over a great deal of time #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/22/2013 |
2:42 PM |
@pjgallantry perhaps they are "Good Lang Learners' and we can let the rest know what qualities got them to be that way #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
5/22/2013 |
2:42 PM |
@pjgallantry Study? Do homework? Use the language between lessons? use the language at all? attend regularly? Care? #eltchat |
| yearinthelifeof |
5/22/2013 |
2:43 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal @pjgallantry problem is, if it takes 400 hrs to reach int, it takes another 400 hrs to get to upper int - motivation? #eltchat |
| KatySDavies |
5/22/2013 |
2:43 PM |
@Marisa_C yes let them in on the 'secrets'! #eltchat |
| andrea_rivett |
5/22/2013 |
2:43 PM |
@pjgallantry they are active not passive learners. #ELTchat |
| BobK99 |
5/22/2013 |
2:43 PM |
RT @pjgallantry: #ELTchat what do the students who DON'T plateau do that the students stuck there don't? ... >Miss out on the benefts? |
| Marisa_C |
5/22/2013 |
2:43 PM |
I find that at that level I tend to begin to talk to Ss as if they were teachers - they need to know not just how but why as well #eltchat |
| KatySDavies |
5/22/2013 |
2:43 PM |
@prese1 @Marisa_C when tackling new vocab give them antonyms synonyms other vocab in the same 'word family' etc #eltchat |
| doris3m |
5/22/2013 |
2:44 PM |
RT @KatySDavies: @prese1 @Marisa_C when tackling new vocab give them antonyms synonyms other vocab in the same 'word family' etc #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/22/2013 |
2:44 PM |
RT @pjgallantry: #ELTchat from my experience, students who do more reading on their free time seem to make far greater strides #eltchat |
| KatySDavies |
5/22/2013 |
2:44 PM |
RT @andrea_rivett: @pjgallantry they are active not passive learners. #ELTchat < So true! |
| Marisa_C |
5/22/2013 |
2:44 PM |
A typical trait of good lang learners is that they like to use diagrams etc to organise their learning #eltchat |
| doris3m |
5/22/2013 |
2:44 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: For me one of the key areas for interm Ss is MASSIVE vocabulary acquisition #ELTchat it's one area which can get Ss out of th… |
| pjgallantry |
5/22/2013 |
2:45 PM |
@yearinthelifeof @oupeltglobal 400 hrs = 16 days approx of continuous practice - not that much outside the class, really! #ELTchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/22/2013 |
2:45 PM |
@pjgallantry I agree. With reading language becomes a means to an end and it shows them how much they have learnt #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
5/22/2013 |
2:45 PM |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: RT @pjgallantry: #ELTchat from my experience, students who do more reading on their free time seem to make far greater st… |
| Marisa_C |
5/22/2013 |
2:45 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal reading a great way for acquisition, especially 'narrow reading' - give reading challenges - use pinterest to collect #eltchat |
| AlexandraKouk |
5/22/2013 |
2:46 PM |
perhaps encourage learner diaries- to raise awareness of how ssy learn and what doesn't work for them #eltchat |
| doris3m |
5/22/2013 |
2:47 PM |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: RT @pjgallantry: #ELTchat from my experience, students who do more reading on their free time seem to make far greater st… |
| Shaunwilden |
5/22/2013 |
2:47 PM |
@BobK99 @pjgallantry lol :-) #eltchat |
| KatySDavies |
5/22/2013 |
2:47 PM |
developing skills like guessing the meaning of words from context important to give them confidence to read more alone #eltchat |
| KatySDavies |
5/22/2013 |
2:48 PM |
@AlexandraKouk yes & journals of interactions if in English speakin country n examine problems they had receptively or productively #eltchat |
| pjgallantry |
5/22/2013 |
2:49 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal sleep is for WIMPS ;) #ELTchat |
| mukh2101 |
5/22/2013 |
2:49 PM |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: RT @pjgallantry: #ELTchat from my experience, students who do more reading on their free time seem to make far greater st… |
| Marisa_C |
5/22/2013 |
2:49 PM |
Re reading: perhaps work on more advanced subskils: guessing meaning; drawing inferences; etc. check John Munby or the nuttall book #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/22/2013 |
2:49 PM |
@pjgallantry 50 days, if u consider 8 hours a day - still achievable #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
5/22/2013 |
2:50 PM |
@AlexandraKouk @KatySDavies I think LT is a key thing, esp for adults who might have lean red for a while #eltchat |
| KatySDavies |
5/22/2013 |
2:50 PM |
@Marisa_C yes and helping them identify the overall structures of texts #eltchat |
| AlexandraKouk |
5/22/2013 |
2:50 PM |
@KatySDavies then it seems we should invest a lot in learner training, doesn't it? #eltchat |
| KatySDavies |
5/22/2013 |
2:51 PM |
@AlexandraKouk and if you're in a private lang sector n $$$ is an issue for continuing, it equips them for learning for life #eltchat |
| mukh2101 |
5/22/2013 |
2:51 PM |
RT @pjgallantry: #ELTchat from my experience, students who do more reading on their free time seem to make far greater strides |
| pjgallantry |
5/22/2013 |
2:51 PM |
#ELTchat perhaps we could draw analogy in different way - instead of paddling in the waters of language, learners must immerse & swim? |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/22/2013 |
2:51 PM |
RT @pjgallantry: @OUPELTGlobal sleep is for WIMPS ;) #ELTchat@OUPELTGlobal sleep is for WIMPS ;) #ELTchat #eltchat |
| KatySDavies |
5/22/2013 |
2:51 PM |
@AlexandraKouk agreed - hence the need for quite a different approach at higher levels I think #eltchat |
| yearinthelifeof |
5/22/2013 |
2:51 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal @pjgallantry When did any of us put in 8 hours of concerted study every day for 50 days?... not so easy #eltchat |
| pjgallantry |
5/22/2013 |
2:52 PM |
@yearinthelifeof @oupeltglobal not some study as use - that's the difference #ELTchat |
| andrea_rivett |
5/22/2013 |
2:52 PM |
@pjgallantry give them the skills to move forward #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/22/2013 |
2:53 PM |
@Shaunwilden lol u were going to defend plateaus i thought :-D #eltchat |
| touqo |
5/22/2013 |
2:53 PM |
How to constantly show students how much progress they have made? That would keep (some of) them motivated to go on learning. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
5/22/2013 |
2:53 PM |
@Marisa_C Did you use the d word! #eltchat |
| KatySDavies |
5/22/2013 |
2:53 PM |
@andrea_rivett @pjgallantry I think at higher levels the teacher takes on much more of the 'facilitator' role #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
5/22/2013 |
2:53 PM |
@pjgallantry Its no wonder they don't do very well, all this swimming and climbing plateaus must leave them knackered #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/22/2013 |
2:53 PM |
@pjgallantry so it makes sense to use more TBL, dogme, lexical or whatever suits to get Ss to use lang #eltchat |
| AlexandraKouk |
5/22/2013 |
2:53 PM |
@KatySDavies true! Ad that could be used to link real life and language skills practice = more motivated ss! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/22/2013 |
2:54 PM |
@touqo so some portfolio type of progress tracking might work well for this #eltchat ? |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/22/2013 |
2:54 PM |
Teachers teach, learners learn. I think sts at plateau levels need to understand their role in their success or failure #eltchat |
| prese1 |
5/22/2013 |
2:54 PM |
RT @touqo: How to constantly show students how much progress they have made? #eltchat |
| AlexandraKouk |
5/22/2013 |
2:54 PM |
@Marisa_C @Shaunwilden off with her head! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/22/2013 |
2:54 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C Did you use the d word! #eltchat > i confess ur honour i used the d word |
| Shaunwilden |
5/22/2013 |
2:55 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal There is the argument though that just cos we taught it don't mean they learned it #eltchat |
| AlexandraKouk |
5/22/2013 |
2:55 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @touqo so some portfolio type of progress tracking might work well for this #eltchat ? |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/22/2013 |
2:56 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @OUPELTGlobal There is the argument though that just cos we taught it don't mean they learned it #eltchat |
| BobK99 |
5/22/2013 |
2:56 PM |
RT @prese1: RT @touqo: How to constantly show students how much progress they have made? #eltchat Good question. Ideas anyone? |
| Marisa_C |
5/22/2013 |
2:56 PM |
RT @AlexandraKouk: also, some syllabus content negotiation if poss - this should get ss more involved #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/22/2013 |
2:56 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal @AlexandraKouk @Shaunwilden why? what's ur prob with me? #eltchat |
| AlexandraKouk |
5/22/2013 |
2:56 PM |
also, some syllabus content negotiation if poss - this should get ss more involved #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/22/2013 |
2:56 PM |
RT @AlexandraKouk: @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden off with her head! #eltchat Can I second that? :-) |
| Marisa_C |
5/22/2013 |
2:56 PM |
@Shaunwilden @AlexandraKouk oh well - repetition pervades the brain and rots the neurons #eltchat |
| KatySDavies |
5/22/2013 |
2:57 PM |
@AlexandraKouk and help to move away from the overly grammar focused syllabus that might otherwise be the course book default #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/22/2013 |
2:57 PM |
@BobK99 @prese1 @touqo just mentioned portfolions as good progress trackers - a personal wiki page for each student? #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/22/2013 |
2:57 PM |
@Shaunwilden Agree, but doesn't a good teacher confirm learning before moving on? Oops, is that another topic? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
5/22/2013 |
2:57 PM |
Ok last 5 mins, time for final words and a summary writer to come forward #eltchat |
| touqo |
5/22/2013 |
2:57 PM |
@Marisa_C probably yes. And also diaries, as @AlexandraKouk proposed. Means to go back in time compare with present. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
5/22/2013 |
2:58 PM |
@yearinthelifeof @OUPELTGlobal No most of us wouldn't but I've had to remind teachers of that a lot of my career #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/22/2013 |
2:58 PM |
@Shaunwilden @OUPELTGlobal @AlexandraKouk i will delete those nasty tweets from the transcript i warn you #eltchat |
| doris3m |
5/22/2013 |
2:58 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @pjgallantry so it makes sense to use more TBL, dogme, lexical or whatever suits to get Ss to use lang #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
5/22/2013 |
2:58 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal oo good point I'll add it to the topic lists #eltchat |
| yearinthelifeof |
5/22/2013 |
2:58 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal @Shaunwilden I wouldn't even consider there to be an argument over that point #eltchat |
| AlexandraKouk |
5/22/2013 |
2:59 PM |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: interesting discussion - for me, I take away that maybe teachers need to cnange their approach but so do students #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/22/2013 |
2:59 PM |
interesting discussion - for me, I take away that maybe teachers need to cnange their approach but so do students #eltchat |
| KatySDavies |
5/22/2013 |
2:59 PM |
@Marisa_C @BobK99 @prese1 @touqo yes &more collaborative projects might expose Ss 2more vocab, n help see more patterns #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/22/2013 |
2:59 PM |
@Shaunwilden @yearinthelifeof @OUPELTGlobal the 'I teach - you learn" assumption? yes! #eltchat often needs reminding |
| BobK99 |
5/22/2013 |
2:59 PM |
@Marisa_C #eltchat Missed that, :oops:, as we say at http://t.co/GPkTsUgWbH. |
| touqo |
5/22/2013 |
3:00 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @BobK99 @prese1 @touqo just mentioned portfolions as good progress trackers - a personal wiki page for each student? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/22/2013 |
3:00 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal change is needed accross the board - yes! #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
5/22/2013 |
3:00 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal yes I think thats a short summary of the #eltchat :-) |
| Shaunwilden |
5/22/2013 |
3:01 PM |
right we've reached half-time this is the topic for 21.00 as well #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/22/2013 |
3:01 PM |
@KatySDavies @BobK99 @prese1 @touqo collaborative proj great but often difficult with adult clients #eltchat more suited to younger & teens |
| KatySDavies |
5/22/2013 |
3:01 PM |
@Marisa_C @BobK99 @prese1 @touqo Ss making their own blogs can be a nice way of keeping a portfolio &inspire independent learning #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/22/2013 |
3:02 PM |
We would like to have a summary writer from this discussion but best if they collaborate with summary writer of 2nd #ELTchat too |
| touqo |
5/22/2013 |
3:02 PM |
@Marisa_C cool idea to use wiki here since it has versioning built in. These versions could correspond to language capabilities. #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
5/22/2013 |
3:03 PM |
Off to lunch. Thanks for a great discussion - always inspiring #eltchat |
| KatySDavies |
5/22/2013 |
3:03 PM |
@Marisa_C @BobK99 @prese1 @touqo definitely true - there's usually just a few Ss with more time who do most of the work! #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
5/22/2013 |
3:03 PM |
Thanks for joining #eltchat a lively discussion today :-) |
| Marisa_C |
5/22/2013 |
3:03 PM |
Any volunteers for the summary pls? #eltchat |
| touqo |
5/22/2013 |
3:04 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @touqo wiki idea cool but we also need to give ss the digital literacy skills needed - some have them some don't #eltchat |
| KatySDavies |
5/22/2013 |
3:04 PM |
@Shaunwilden afraid I can't make it tonight, but looking forward to hearing what the 21.00ers have to say too! #eltchat |
| prese1 |
5/22/2013 |
3:04 PM |
Thanks for the #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/22/2013 |
3:04 PM |
@touqo wiki idea cool but we also need to give ss the digital literacy skills needed - some have them some don't #eltchat |
| BobK99 |
5/22/2013 |
3:04 PM |
@KatySDavies #eltchat True. I was that student. ;) |
| andrea_rivett |
5/22/2013 |
3:05 PM |
Thanks and goodnight. Love the wiki idea. #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/22/2013 |
3:05 PM |
Thank you all for joining this #ELTchat - great discussion which will continue later today |
| BobK99 |
5/22/2013 |
3:06 PM |
RT @prese1: Thanks for the #eltchat > Ditto. Off to lunch and shed refurbishment. (DON'T ASK.;)) |
| Shaunwilden |
5/22/2013 |
3:06 PM |
@KatySDavies I won't be there either but there's always the summary to catch up later :-) #eltchat |
| KatySDavies |
5/22/2013 |
3:06 PM |
@Marisa_C @Shaunwilden thanks to the moderators :) bye! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/22/2013 |
3:07 PM |
@andrea_rivett screenshot of our intermediateplus wiki - https://t.co/np2SVAl1XM #ELTchat |
| mukh2101 |
5/22/2013 |
3:07 PM |
RT @CambridgeUPELT: Which quotes inspire you when you are teaching? #eltchat http://t.co/Kr4DbHhwKf |
| Shaunwilden |
5/22/2013 |
3:08 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @andrea_rivett screenshot of our intermediateplus wiki - https://t.co/np2SVAl1XM #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
5/22/2013 |
3:09 PM |
@andrea_rivett whole class has access #eltchat |
| andrea_rivett |
5/22/2013 |
3:09 PM |
@Marisa_C Is that shared amongst classmates or individually? #ELTchat |
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