| username |
date |
time |
status |
| Shaunwilden |
1/5/2013 |
1:57 P.M. |
@BobK99 Gosh you're on time today :-) #eltchat |
| BobK99 |
1/5/2013 |
2:00 P.M. |
@Shaunwilden #eltchat But I haven't done my extra homework ;-) |
| Marisa_C |
1/5/2013 |
2:01 P.M. |
For the next hour my tweets for #ELTchat - we will be talking about coursebooks - do they reflect Ls' lives & needs? Are they in decline? |
| e_clements |
1/5/2013 |
2:02 P.M. |
I didn't have a chance to watch the iatefl talk either but still interested to follow the discussion in today's #eltchat :) |
| Marisa_C |
1/5/2013 |
2:02 P.M. |
May I ask colleagues not to tweet off topic links during the next hour of our #ELTchat please. |
| tdsig |
1/5/2013 |
2:02 P.M. |
RT @Marisa_C: For the next hour #ELTchat - we will be talking about coursebooks - do they reflect Ls' lives & needs? Are they in decline? |
| AnthonyGaughan |
1/5/2013 |
2:02 P.M. |
RT @Marisa_C: For the next hour #ELTchat - we will be talking about coursebooks - do they reflect Ls' lives & needs? Are they in decline? |
| adi_rajan |
1/5/2013 |
2:02 P.M. |
It'd be interesting to do a snap poll with today's topic with a site like http://t.co/Zv3Pt28zRa #eltchat |
| jo_sayers |
1/5/2013 |
2:02 P.M. |
#eltchat hello all |
| Marisa_C |
1/5/2013 |
2:02 P.M. |
@Shaunwilden and myself moderating this #ELTchat - if you are new please ask either one of us for help |
| OUPELTGlobal |
1/5/2013 |
2:03 P.M. |
Hi all, looking forward to this chat! :-) #ElTchat #ELTChat |
| teflerinha |
1/5/2013 |
2:03 P.M. |
#eltchat Thought ELTJ debate was rather a set up, actually. Of course coursebooks can't reflects the lives and needs of every learner. |
| prese1 |
1/5/2013 |
2:03 P.M. |
Hi everyone #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
1/5/2013 |
2:04 P.M. |
In what way did you think it was a 'set up' @teflerinha ???? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
1/5/2013 |
2:04 P.M. |
@teflerinha In what way did you think it was a #eltchat |
| jo_sayers |
1/5/2013 |
2:05 P.M. |
@teflerinha yep, agree with that. Hard not to agree they don't reflect lives of all learners. How could they? #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
1/5/2013 |
2:05 P.M. |
@Marisa_C Because no-one could disagree with that premise. #eltchat |
| BobK99 |
1/5/2013 |
2:05 P.M. |
RT @teflerinha: #eltchat .... Of course coursebooks can't reflects the lives and needs of every learner. > Yup. (Video is on the todo list) |
| pennyhands |
1/5/2013 |
2:05 P.M. |
I thought Catherine Walter might have made more of coursebooks that are designed with local markets in mind #ELTChat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
1/5/2013 |
2:06 P.M. |
@teflerinha but can't they reflect some of the needs of learners and then the teacher can add in to meet others? #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
1/5/2013 |
2:06 P.M. |
RT @teflerinha: @Marisa_C Because no-one could disagree with that premise. #eltchat > perhaps we could take the discussion further then |
| michaelegriffin |
1/5/2013 |
2:06 P.M. |
RT @teflerinha: #eltchat Thought ELTJ debate was rather a set up, actually. Of course coursebooks can't reflects the lives and needs of eve… |
| adi_rajan |
1/5/2013 |
2:06 P.M. |
@teflerinha The debate did seem a little stylized & it felt like they were just going through the motions at times #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
1/5/2013 |
2:07 P.M. |
Hurrah managed to connect to #eltchat what a time for a computer failure |
| Marisa_C |
1/5/2013 |
2:07 P.M. |
Question then: Should Cbs reflect the lives of Ss - let's look at it separately from reflecting their needs #ELTchat |
| teflerinha |
1/5/2013 |
2:07 P.M. |
#eltchat I'm not keen on polarisation myself. CBs aren't either bad or good, they're a resource. |
| jo_sayers |
1/5/2013 |
2:07 P.M. |
@Marisa_C @teflerinha Hard to agree that they reflect lives of all learners. But easier to see they have a place #eltchat |
| jo_sayers |
1/5/2013 |
2:08 P.M. |
@OUPELTGlobal @teflerinha Yep, I'd say they can. Very hard to argue that CBs refelct nothing of any learner's life! #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
1/5/2013 |
2:08 P.M. |
@teflerinha agreed! #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
1/5/2013 |
2:08 P.M. |
@Shaunwilden great thought was going to be on my own!!! ::-) #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
1/5/2013 |
2:08 P.M. |
@Marisa_C #eltchat That's a better question, and the answer is yes, ideally, but is that practical in terms of producing published work? |
| Shaunwilden |
1/5/2013 |
2:08 P.M. |
RT @teflerinha: #eltchat I'm not keen on polarisation myself. CBs aren't either bad or good, they're a resource. |
| Marisa_C |
1/5/2013 |
2:09 P.M. |
But is it really posible for GPE cbs? #Eltchat |
| teflerinha |
1/5/2013 |
2:09 P.M. |
@jo_sayers @OUPELTGlobal #eltchat If you want to use a CB, u pick 1 that seems the most appropriate and then you adapt to meet needs. |
| Marisa_C |
1/5/2013 |
2:09 P.M. |
@teflerinha I guess not - the next question would need to be "Which lives should they reflect?" Can see that for ESP BE materials #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
1/5/2013 |
2:09 P.M. |
@Marisa_C Yes sorry, mouse died and I don't have the new tweet deck on my other computer #eltchat #firstworldproblems |
| bealer81 |
1/5/2013 |
2:09 P.M. |
Unfortunately CBs don't reflect learner's lives that's why we as teachers are constantly adapting them #ELTchat |
| jo_sayers |
1/5/2013 |
2:10 P.M. |
@bealer81 That would be the same with any resource I suppose. Nothing can be helpful to all people all the time #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
1/5/2013 |
2:10 P.M. |
@OUPELTGlobal yes - a good point - futures is more reasonable - lives and needs #ELTChat |
| Shaunwilden |
1/5/2013 |
2:10 P.M. |
@bealer81 Is it really 'unfortunately'? Adapting is good isnt it? #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
1/5/2013 |
2:10 P.M. |
Also liked point Catherine made in debate about them reflecting future lives or beyond boundaries of current lives. #ELTChat |
| pennyhands |
1/5/2013 |
2:11 P.M. |
In my experience as a writer, it's the lives of the target audience that are reflected, and these are the people with money #ELTChat |
| teflerinha |
1/5/2013 |
2:11 P.M. |
@Shaunwilden @bealer81 Yes, it's part of being a teacher. EVERYTHING needs adapting to meet your students' needs, surely? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
1/5/2013 |
2:11 P.M. |
@adi_rajan Isn't 'decent' a subjective term? #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
1/5/2013 |
2:11 P.M. |
We adapt authentic/non-csbk material to use in class too - to ensure we meet needs, reflect lives etc - well at least I did! #ELTChat |
| prese1 |
1/5/2013 |
2:11 P.M. |
@Shaunwilden @bealer81 it depends on how many different levels you're planning for #eltchat |
| jo_sayers |
1/5/2013 |
2:11 P.M. |
RT @teflerinha: @jo_sayers @OUPELTGlobal #eltchat If you want to use a CB, u pick 1 that seems the most appropriate and then you adapt to m… |
| adi_rajan |
1/5/2013 |
2:11 P.M. |
They may not reflect learners' lives in their entirety but as long as you choose a decent one, they usually give it a fair go. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
1/5/2013 |
2:12 P.M. |
@teflerinha @bealer81 Yes agreed #eltchat |
| jo_sayers |
1/5/2013 |
2:12 P.M. |
@prese1 @Shaunwilden @bealer81 But we should always expect to adapt to learners/class/day etc. whatever resources we use #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
1/5/2013 |
2:12 P.M. |
@pennyhands Can you pls elaborate a bit - am not sure I am getting this properly #ELTChat |
| bealer81 |
1/5/2013 |
2:12 P.M. |
@Shaunwilden Adapting is the best part! Yet we don't get paid for that part! #ELTchat |
| adi_rajan |
1/5/2013 |
2:13 P.M. |
@Shaunwilden It is subjective and so are evaluations of CBs however many rubrics you impose on them. #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
1/5/2013 |
2:13 P.M. |
@jo_sayers agreed - there's no one size fits all with anything! |
| prese1 |
1/5/2013 |
2:13 P.M. |
@jo_sayers @Shaunwilden @bealer81 true #eltchat |
| jo_sayers |
1/5/2013 |
2:13 P.M. |
@bealer81 @Shaunwilden Don't we? Surely that's our job? #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
1/5/2013 |
2:13 P.M. |
@pennyhands Yes, that's true. Hard to know how to change that though, except thru government funding. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
1/5/2013 |
2:13 P.M. |
@bealer81 No? Sorry but what do Ts get paid for ? #ELTchat |
| SimonGreenall |
1/5/2013 |
2:14 P.M. |
#eltchat Morning! to my knowledge no CB writer has ever claimed that CBs should be used without apatation, only CB critics. |
| BobK99 |
1/5/2013 |
2:14 P.M. |
RT @Shaunwilden: @adi_rajan Isn't 'decent' a subjective term? #eltchat > Yes - but that doesn't make it a BAD one |
| teflerinha |
1/5/2013 |
2:14 P.M. |
@Marisa_C @pennyhands Books are exp2 produce, market etc, so target audience are people with money to buy them (not refugees 4 eg) #eltchat |
| bealer81 |
1/5/2013 |
2:15 P.M. |
@Marisa_C To teach! I'm paid based on the hours I teach but not on the hours I take to prepare lessons. #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
1/5/2013 |
2:15 P.M. |
@SimonGreenall Oh i know some editors who think their books are perfect :-) #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
1/5/2013 |
2:15 P.M. |
@SimonGreenall Hi and welcome Simon! Great you could join us for this #eltchat |
| pennyhands |
1/5/2013 |
2:15 P.M. |
@Marisa_C The publisher identifies a target audience that will pay for the book and then the writer must write to that spec #ELTChat |
| Shaunwilden |
1/5/2013 |
2:16 P.M. |
@bealer81 @Marisa_C really so your school doesn't include prep time in the contracts? #eltchat |
| jo_sayers |
1/5/2013 |
2:16 P.M. |
RT @SimonGreenall: #eltchat Morning! to my knowledge no CB writer has ever claimed that CBs should be used without apatation, only CB criti… |
| Marisa_C |
1/5/2013 |
2:16 P.M. |
So what we are saying is that CB's are not proposed/approved with criteria other than financial ones? #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
1/5/2013 |
2:16 P.M. |
@bealer81 @Marisa_C Wel,, the hourly rate should include an element of preparation and marking as well. But that's another debate. #eltchat |
| jo_sayers |
1/5/2013 |
2:16 P.M. |
@teflerinha @pennyhands Are we seeing CBs diversify as target audience diversifies, or just appealing to those with most cash? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
1/5/2013 |
2:17 P.M. |
@bealer81 Sorry but my understanding was that preparation is part of our job - so no prep unless paid separately? #ELTchat |
| adi_rajan |
1/5/2013 |
2:17 P.M. |
@jo_sayers @teflerinha @pennyhands Lately its those diverse audiences (look at the Mid-east) who've got the moolah #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
1/5/2013 |
2:17 P.M. |
Lives and needs of target groups are factored into the development of csbks. Research, focus groups, piloting, reviewing etc. #ELTChat |
| jo_sayers |
1/5/2013 |
2:17 P.M. |
@bealer81 @Marisa_C But that IS teaching! #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
1/5/2013 |
2:17 P.M. |
@jo_sayers @pennyhands #eltchat I think probably both. Some companies focusing on big sellers only, others going for niche. |
| jo_sayers |
1/5/2013 |
2:18 P.M. |
RT @adi_rajan: @jo_sayers @teflerinha @pennyhands Lately its those diverse audiences (look at the Mid-east) who've got the moolah #eltchat |
| jo_sayers |
1/5/2013 |
2:18 P.M. |
@teflerinha @pennyhands That seems to work quite well then #eltchat |
| SimonGreenall |
1/5/2013 |
2:18 P.M. |
@Marisa_C: So what we are saying is that CB's are not proposed/approved with criteria other than financial ones? #eltchat Haha :) nope. |
| teflerinha |
1/5/2013 |
2:18 P.M. |
@Marisa_C #eltchat They may be proposed by authors for educational reasons, but publishing is a business. Doesn't mean can't be both though. |
| OUPELTGlobal |
1/5/2013 |
2:19 P.M. |
There's no point in writing csbks that aren't then used - publishers/authors try to reflect lives & needs - so they're used! #ELTChat |
| Shaunwilden |
1/5/2013 |
2:19 P.M. |
RT @Marisa_C: This #ELTchat is turning into a 'should we prep/adapt or not" which is not what we set out to discuss - we have a diff Q plea… |
| Marisa_C |
1/5/2013 |
2:19 P.M. |
This #ELTchat is turning into a 'should we prep/adapt or not" which is not what we set out to discuss - we have a diff Q please |
| adi_rajan |
1/5/2013 |
2:19 P.M. |
@Marisa_C CBs are often approved by govt bodies manned by people who've never taught or haven't in a while #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
1/5/2013 |
2:19 P.M. |
RT @olgaevans: #ELTchat a good research based CB can be helpful for novice teachers. |
| teflerinha |
1/5/2013 |
2:19 P.M. |
@OUPELTGlobal #eltchat Yes, absolutely. Just taking issue w/ idea that any CB can be expected to be perfect just as is for your class. |
| olgaevans |
1/5/2013 |
2:19 P.M. |
#ELTchat a good research based CB can be helpful for novice teachers. |
| OUPELTGlobal |
1/5/2013 |
2:20 P.M. |
@adi_rajan this is very true...and they enforce HOW they should be used also. #ELTChat |
| teresa1999 |
1/5/2013 |
2:20 P.M. |
#ELTchat I ferl that stds need more and more authentic, real time digital or print materials. information travels fast. |
| jo_sayers |
1/5/2013 |
2:20 P.M. |
@SimonGreenall @Marisa_C but as @adi_rajan said, the ones with the cash aren't all the same #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
1/5/2013 |
2:21 P.M. |
@teresa1999 While i dont disagree, this has a whole manner of issues such as suitability, syllabus etc #eltchat |
| adi_rajan |
1/5/2013 |
2:22 P.M. |
There is an ongoing debate in South Asia about CBs by mainly UK & US based publishers but learners often prefer them over local CBs #eltchat |
| jo_sayers |
1/5/2013 |
2:23 P.M. |
@adi_rajan why's that? Is it to do with content? #eltchat |
| bealer81 |
1/5/2013 |
2:23 P.M. |
Would love 2 see a real time interactive CB. Tablet in form, daily news articles taken from round world, with lesson ideas attached.#ELTchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
1/5/2013 |
2:24 P.M. |
@bealer81 Great idea...tricky to make happen! #ELTChat |
| adi_rajan |
1/5/2013 |
2:24 P.M. |
The rhetoric of CBs reflecting local lives often conflicts with learners' aspirational goals for learning English. #eltchat |
| BobK99 |
1/5/2013 |
2:25 P.M. |
MT @bealer81: Wd <3 a real time interactive CB. Tablet in form, daily news articles ... lesson ideas attached.#ELTchat > Hmmm {thinks}... |
| adi_rajan |
1/5/2013 |
2:25 P.M. |
@bealer81 Agree. Especially for BE. Even the latest CBs are filled with faxes and memos. Better to have dynamic online content #eltchat |
| bealer81 |
1/5/2013 |
2:25 P.M. |
A team of teachers spend the day searching through the internet picking out interesting articles and videos. Upload skeleton plans. #ELTchat |
| teflerinha |
1/5/2013 |
2:25 P.M. |
@bealer81 But how much would u be willing to pay- think of amount of work involved for the authors, editors etc. And permissions.. #eltchat |
| adi_rajan |
1/5/2013 |
2:26 P.M. |
@jo_sayers Local CBs attempt to localize content but the quality is generally mediocre so Ss prefer shiny OUP & CUP materials #eltchat |
| teresa1999 |
1/5/2013 |
2:26 P.M. |
#eltchat @Shaunwilden I agree with you but CBs alone dont fulfill stds needs anymore . we have access to real time info. syllabus matter |
| jo_sayers |
1/5/2013 |
2:26 P.M. |
@adi_rajan Yep, that's interesting. Maybe the homogenised version is appealing in that same way Hollywood is! #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
1/5/2013 |
2:26 P.M. |
@teflerinha @bealer81 - yes, and ongoing costs too - not just initial development ones. #ELTChat |
| teflerinha |
1/5/2013 |
2:27 P.M. |
@bealer81 Is it free to users? If not, you've got to pay sometimes 1000s for permissions.#eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
1/5/2013 |
2:27 P.M. |
@teresa1999 I think this is perhaps everyone's feeling - CB alone not enough any more - but a springboard for many #eltchat |
| e_clements |
1/5/2013 |
2:27 P.M. |
@bealer81 Great idea but would this reflect learner's lives any more closely? Not all news is relevant/interesting to everyone #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
1/5/2013 |
2:28 P.M. |
@bealer81 yes but you need permissions to use texts, images etc etc #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
1/5/2013 |
2:28 P.M. |
@Marisa_C @teresa1999 #eltchat I've aways adapted and supplemented CBs, but certainly MUCH easier these days w internet. |
| OUPELTGlobal |
1/5/2013 |
2:28 P.M. |
@teflerinha @bealer81 also question of quality control & how do you have enough articles/plans to meet wide range of classes etc. #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
1/5/2013 |
2:28 P.M. |
@adi_rajan good point - oft gov bodies not best to make best choices :-) #eltchat |
| bealer81 |
1/5/2013 |
2:28 P.M. |
It could be an app! I'm not sure how author permission works, but couldn't just provide links like on twitter? #ELTchat |
| prese1 |
1/5/2013 |
2:28 P.M. |
@OUPELTGlobal @teflerinha @bealer81 yes, CB prices can also influence choice #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
1/5/2013 |
2:28 P.M. |
@e_clements @bealer81 Yes you're right, I can't see it reflecting lives any better than the cbk #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
1/5/2013 |
2:29 P.M. |
@bealer81 #eltchat Not an expert on this (!) but doubt it if you're making money from it. |
| jo_sayers |
1/5/2013 |
2:29 P.M. |
@teflerinha @bealer81 Yes, a great idea. But loads of that 'unpaid' prep work you spoke of earlier to adapt to differnt levels #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
1/5/2013 |
2:29 P.M. |
@Shaunwilden permission for a lesson in your classroom? #eltchat |
| BobK99 |
1/5/2013 |
2:30 P.M. |
MT @teflerinha: @bealer81 Is it free to users?....#eltchat > Not rocket sci. Just another subscription service |
| adi_rajan |
1/5/2013 |
2:30 P.M. |
@Marisa_C At least, govts are impartial in making bad choices everywhere, not just education ;-) #eltchat |
| prese1 |
1/5/2013 |
2:30 P.M. |
RT @teflerinha: @Marisa_C @teresa1999 #eltchat I've aways adapted and supplemented CBs, but certainly MUCH easier these days w internet. |
| tesolgeek |
1/5/2013 |
2:30 P.M. |
@bealer81: Would love 2 see a real time interactive CB. That is why some of us have an #edtech focus #ELTchat |
| jo_sayers |
1/5/2013 |
2:31 P.M. |
#eltchat Maybe a system where lots of chapters/topics/modules available online and Ts download/use the ones most relevant to their Ss? |
| adi_rajan |
1/5/2013 |
2:31 P.M. |
Most of us seem to use a blend of CBs & adapted materials. I know a lot of teachers who are disallowed anything other than CBs. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
1/5/2013 |
2:31 P.M. |
How many of you are teaching without a coursebook? #eltchat |
| teresa1999 |
1/5/2013 |
2:31 P.M. |
#eltchat I like CBs and I use them but i use online resources to illustrate points and expand language use. |
| OUPELTGlobal |
1/5/2013 |
2:32 P.M. |
@Marisa_C I did a bit in early days - struggled, was hard going! But have always supplemented, adapted & gone off piste at times #ELTChat |
| TomTesol |
1/5/2013 |
2:32 P.M. |
@adi_rajan that's a pity... |
| Shaunwilden |
1/5/2013 |
2:32 P.M. |
@jo_sayers Or just encourage sts to bring it topic related materials themselves? #eltchat |
| jo_sayers |
1/5/2013 |
2:33 P.M. |
@adi_rajan There are quite a few teachers who enjoy the easy life a CB provides. Mostly Ss who get bored #eltchat |
| tesolgeek |
1/5/2013 |
2:33 P.M. |
@teflerinha: @bealer81 #eltchat but doubt it if you're mak... Need work in the beginning, but with time it would become self sufficient. |
| teflerinha |
1/5/2013 |
2:33 P.M. |
@BobK99 @bealer81 #eltchat I meant if you charge in any form, you'll have to pay for images, texts etc that you use. |
| adi_rajan |
1/5/2013 |
2:33 P.M. |
@Marisa_C I teach lots of courses. Generally no course books for the shorter ones but usually have a CB for longer ones. #eltchat |
| adi_rajan |
1/5/2013 |
2:34 P.M. |
RT @jo_sayers: @adi_rajan There are quite a few teachers who enjoy the easy life a CB provides. Mostly Ss who get bored #eltchat |
| jo_sayers |
1/5/2013 |
2:34 P.M. |
@Shaunwilden If you can get a system going that allows you to prep it, that sounds good #eltchat |
| teresa1999 |
1/5/2013 |
2:34 P.M. |
#eltchat @teflerinha it's much easier today. I used to design flashcards, handouts, collages to customize but now it's just a click away. |
| OUPELTGlobal |
1/5/2013 |
2:34 P.M. |
@Marisa_C and when I did have no set csbk, I often went to csbks etc to find ideas! #ELTChat |
| tesolgeek |
1/5/2013 |
2:35 P.M. |
@Shaunwilden: @bealer81 yes but you need permissions to use texts, images etc etc #eltchat but you could use creative commons for free! |
| Marisa_C |
1/5/2013 |
2:35 P.M. |
@frhtkrnfyl you can teach without a CB - not the question here #ELtchat |
| teflerinha |
1/5/2013 |
2:35 P.M. |
@adi_rajan #eltchat I think that's a real shame, no space4 creativity or 2 tailor 2 ss needs..but as Walter said- not the CB's fault. |
| jo_sayers |
1/5/2013 |
2:35 P.M. |
RT @teresa1999: #eltchat @teflerinha it's much easier today. I used to design flashcards, handouts, collages to customize but now it's jus… |
| TomTesol |
1/5/2013 |
2:35 P.M. |
future? CB = paper syllabus and target language + website updated regulalry w/ apprt. activities, materials, etc? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
1/5/2013 |
2:35 P.M. |
I often have the feeling that new teachers are not properly represented in #ELTchat .Most of u ppl would be able to teache w/o CBs . |
| becksdad |
1/5/2013 |
2:36 P.M. |
@Marisa_C @bealer81 That's one of the reasons teachers get exploited. We should prep, but we should also fight to be paid for it #eltchat |
| adi_rajan |
1/5/2013 |
2:36 P.M. |
It's interesting how CB writers acknowledge that their lessons will inevitbly get adapted with TBs suggesting all kinds of variants #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
1/5/2013 |
2:36 P.M. |
@tesolgeek @bealer81 Absolutely but then most texts that you'd want to use in class are unlikely to be cc #eltchat |
| michaelegriffin |
1/5/2013 |
2:36 P.M. |
@marisa_c @michaelegriffin: @Marisa_C I'm mostly coursebook free at the moment. #ELTchat |
| teflerinha |
1/5/2013 |
2:36 P.M. |
@TomTesol Yes, I think blended learning will make updating and new extra materials much easier. #eltchat But is q of who will pay for this? |
| idc74 |
1/5/2013 |
2:36 P.M. |
@adi_rajan @jo_sayers Perhaps a very good case for global publishers to partner with local ones? Great design + relevant content #eltchat |
| cioccas |
1/5/2013 |
2:36 P.M. |
@Marisa_C I haven't found a course book that meets needs of my adult learners living & working in Australia & studying part time. #ELTchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
1/5/2013 |
2:36 P.M. |
@Marisa_C agreed! Reality for most teachers is very different, need support, structure etc. #ELTChat |
| michaelegriffin |
1/5/2013 |
2:36 P.M. |
@Marisa_C agree #ELTchat is a prett self selecting group |
| Marisa_C |
1/5/2013 |
2:37 P.M. |
@michaelegriffin me too Michael but I can see the chaos in a school setting - absence of CB oft means absence of a syllabus - #ELTchat |
| idc74 |
1/5/2013 |
2:37 P.M. |
@jo_sayers @adi_rajan There are quite a few teachers who are poorly paid, over-worked and don't have time to go beyond the CB! #eltchat |
| teresa1999 |
1/5/2013 |
2:37 P.M. |
#eltchat @Marisa_C I use CBs now but I used to teach 'extreme' dogme and preparing materials from scratch was hard, time consuming work. |
| TomTesol |
1/5/2013 |
2:37 P.M. |
@teflerinha Student subscription same price as TB today? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
1/5/2013 |
2:37 P.M. |
@adi_rajan Are you surprised by that? #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
1/5/2013 |
2:37 P.M. |
@Marisa_C I made some clanging errors in choosing/adapting/creating own materials in the early days! #ELTChat |
| tesolgeek |
1/5/2013 |
2:37 P.M. |
RT @Shaunwilden: @tesolgeek @bealer81 Absolutely but then most texts that you'd want to use in class are unlikely to be cc #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
1/5/2013 |
2:37 P.M. |
@adi_rajan #eltchat Not just inevitable but positively to be recommended. :) |
| frhtkrnfyl |
1/5/2013 |
2:37 P.M. |
RT @Marisa_C: How many of you are teaching without a coursebook? #eltchat |
| TomTesol |
1/5/2013 |
2:38 P.M. |
@teflerinha sorry yeah - TBs are comps, SBs pay same for blended as for CBs today. #eltchat |
| tesolgeek |
1/5/2013 |
2:38 P.M. |
@Shaunwilden: pictures would be cc, but there are plenty of resources out there that could be connected and used for texts #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
1/5/2013 |
2:38 P.M. |
In a formal school setting CBs go in tandem with tests - which is REALLY what drives ELT as a business #ELTchat |
| prese1 |
1/5/2013 |
2:38 P.M. |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: @Marisa_C and when I did have no set csbk, I often went to csbks etc to find ideas! #ELTChat me too |
| teflerinha |
1/5/2013 |
2:38 P.M. |
@TomTesol TBs are usually free anyway... #eltchat |
| TomTesol |
1/5/2013 |
2:39 P.M. |
@Marisa_C local partners for online component and assessment might be a nice dream... #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
1/5/2013 |
2:39 P.M. |
@Marisa_C just looked at time, sorry. Agree that ESP coursesare helped by CBs. Using one now with HR. #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
1/5/2013 |
2:39 P.M. |
@cioccas @Marisa_C No, because no money in it- same for ESOL in UK. #eltchat |
| michaelegriffin |
1/5/2013 |
2:39 P.M. |
#eltchat @Marisa_C hmm I see what you mean but "the coursebook as syllabus" is one of the things I have a big issue with |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
1/5/2013 |
2:40 P.M. |
@adi_rajan Agree. Qustionis, what is a reasonable one? #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
1/5/2013 |
2:40 P.M. |
@TomTesol #eltchat But having authors on tap to keep creating new content will be more expensive than producing one-off book |
| OUPELTGlobal |
1/5/2013 |
2:40 P.M. |
@Marisa_C Also idea of progression from year to year - how do you know what to teach if you don't know what they did last year? #ELTChat |
| prese1 |
1/5/2013 |
2:41 P.M. |
@cioccas @Marisa_C which CBs have you used? #eltchat |
| teresa1999 |
1/5/2013 |
2:41 P.M. |
#eltchat my school created own materials designed for Brazilian stds and yet we use online resources because online stuff is part of life! |
| Shaunwilden |
1/5/2013 |
2:41 P.M. |
@Marisa_C @michaelegriffin erm, no they can't #eltchat |
| adi_rajan |
1/5/2013 |
2:41 P.M. |
RT @Marisa_C: In a formal school setting CBs go in tandem with tests - which is REALLY what drives ELT as a business #ELTchat |
| michaelegriffin |
1/5/2013 |
2:41 P.M. |
β€@OUPELTGlobal: how do you know what to teach if you don't know what they did last year" #ELTChat umm maybe needs assessment? |
| teflerinha |
1/5/2013 |
2:41 P.M. |
@TomTesol #eltchat Unless of course they start paying writers much much less..which is what some seem to be planning to do. |
| Marisa_C |
1/5/2013 |
2:41 P.M. |
@michaelegriffin Issue all there Michael - but next Q is can all academic managers write a syllabus? #ELTchat or even senior Ts? #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
1/5/2013 |
2:41 P.M. |
@OUPELTGlobal @Marisa_C True but teaching doesn't equal learning covering same ground not an issue, also could negotiate syllabus #eltchat |
| TomTesol |
1/5/2013 |
2:42 P.M. |
(2/2) Schhols, learners subscribe #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
1/5/2013 |
2:42 P.M. |
@OUPELTGlobal my problem with this are the copyrigh issues. #eltchat |
| TomTesol |
1/5/2013 |
2:42 P.M. |
@teflerinha envisioning local publishers evolving limited online content rather than making new lines of books all the time. (1/2) #eltchat |
| cioccas |
1/5/2013 |
2:43 P.M. |
@teflerinha @Marisa_C Yes! Use what learners bring to class, real texts, etc. Time consuming tho :-) #ELTchat |
| becksdad |
1/5/2013 |
2:43 P.M. |
@Marisa_C @michaelegriffin schools just need to provide a framework for relating emergent syllabi to CEFR via an assessment system #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
1/5/2013 |
2:43 P.M. |
@BobK99 #eltchat Believe me, I don't :( |
| adi_rajan |
1/5/2013 |
2:43 P.M. |
@Shaunwilden Not surprised bt feel bad 4 CBwriters sometimes Do they ever wonder if anyone uses the lessons as they envisoned them? #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
1/5/2013 |
2:43 P.M. |
@Shaunwilden good point, but at least it gives you idea of what's been covered & then you work from that, to assess, negotiate etc. #ELTChat |
| BobK99 |
1/5/2013 |
2:43 P.M. |
@teflerinha #eltchat You underestimate capitalism's ability to exploit authors! ;-) |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
1/5/2013 |
2:43 P.M. |
@teflerinha @Shaunwilden @bealer81Agree. We always ned to adapt. #eltchat |
| jo_sayers |
1/5/2013 |
2:43 P.M. |
@OUPELTGlobal @Marisa_C in the cae of YLs and teens yes, but adults rarely stay in same environ long enough #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
1/5/2013 |
2:44 P.M. |
@adi_rajan @Shaunwilden #eltchat 4 me it's like writing recipe book. Some will follow just as written, most will swap ingredients etc. |
| prese1 |
1/5/2013 |
2:44 P.M. |
@Marisa_C we were once new teachers #eltchat |
| michaelegriffin |
1/5/2013 |
2:44 P.M. |
@Shaunwilden @marisa_c now that is an issue! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
1/5/2013 |
2:44 P.M. |
@becksdad @michaelegriffin the details of CEFR are a mystery to many school managers #ELTchat but a very good point of creating such a check |
| Shaunwilden |
1/5/2013 |
2:44 P.M. |
@adi_rajan well i would be shocked if anyone used my material without adapting it to be honest #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
1/5/2013 |
2:45 P.M. |
@michaelegriffin @marisa_c Yes I agree, a constant niggle of mine when I inspect schools #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
1/5/2013 |
2:45 P.M. |
@prese1 @marisa_C - we should never forget what that feels like! |
| TomTesol |
1/5/2013 |
2:45 P.M. |
@prese1 who loathed textbook texts and activities...? :-) #eltchat |
| idc74 |
1/5/2013 |
2:45 P.M. |
@adi_rajan @Shaunwilden I would like to think that any decent CB writer would be very happy for their materials to be adapted. #eltchat |
| jo_sayers |
1/5/2013 |
2:45 P.M. |
@adi_rajan @Shaunwilden probably most expect/hope there to be variations. At least then they can be used more #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
1/5/2013 |
2:45 P.M. |
RT @teflerinha: @adi_rajan @Shaunwilden #eltchat 4 me it's like writing recipe book. Some will follow just as written, most will swap ingre… |
| teresa1999 |
1/5/2013 |
2:45 P.M. |
#eltchat @idc74 I agree. Searching for online resources and integrating them w CBs and syllabus requires extra time. It's unpaid time. |
| TomTesol |
1/5/2013 |
2:46 P.M. |
@teflerinha really? Just when I want to get into publishing... :-) #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
1/5/2013 |
2:46 P.M. |
@adi_rajan @Marisa_C Approved by gvt but written by teachers in the schools or work with grads. That my situation here in Auatria. #eltchat |
| cioccas |
1/5/2013 |
2:46 P.M. |
@prese1 @Marisa_C Have used ideas, activities from variety of sources & adapted to learner needs. #ELTchat |
| adi_rajan |
1/5/2013 |
2:46 P.M. |
RT @teflerinha: @adi_rajan @Shaunwilden #eltchat 4 me it's like writing recipe book. Some will follow just as written, most will swap ingre… |
| adi_rajan |
1/5/2013 |
2:46 P.M. |
@cioccas and what they bring in may lead to learning bt may not always fulfill the objectives you've been signed up for #eltchat |
| jo_sayers |
1/5/2013 |
2:46 P.M. |
@teresa1999 @idc74 but makes the whole process more rewarding. And you can be efficient about it w a system #eltchat |
| jo_sayers |
1/5/2013 |
2:47 P.M. |
@adi_rajan @cioccas yes, hard to specify a lexical set or grammar point for them to look out for too! #eltchat |
| _kangguru_ |
1/5/2013 |
2:47 P.M. |
Teacher observation in #ELT | British Council Voices - http://t.co/XXd37ELT0z #IndoELT #AsiaELT #eltchat #ellchat #STKIPP |
| teresa1999 |
1/5/2013 |
2:47 P.M. |
#eltchat My stds have access to digital materials but many stds don't and CBs may be the only link to English texts they have. |
| michaelegriffin |
1/5/2013 |
2:47 P.M. |
I'm sorry #eltchat people I don't think I buy the idea that new teachers need coursebooks. It's gonna be a learning experience either way. |
| idc74 |
1/5/2013 |
2:48 P.M. |
@TomTesol @prese1 As a teacher, often found that CBs could be lifesavers! I loathed myself though for sometimes choosing wrong ones #eltchat |
| TomTesol |
1/5/2013 |
2:48 P.M. |
@teresa1999 yeah -- this of course is what this subject ignores... what is the solution? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
1/5/2013 |
2:48 P.M. |
@michaelegriffin If properly trained they should be able to work w/out a CB but their learning should not be at the expense of Ss #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
1/5/2013 |
2:48 P.M. |
RT @teresa1999: #eltchat My stds have access to digital materials but many stds don't and CBs may be the only link to English texts they ha… |
| adi_rajan |
1/5/2013 |
2:49 P.M. |
@Marisa_C You're right. When I first started teaching - CBs felt like a god-sent. #eltchat |
| michaelegriffin |
1/5/2013 |
2:49 P.M. |
@Marisa_C well said but I think their learning is gonna happen at Ss' expense a bit anyway #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
1/5/2013 |
2:49 P.M. |
@michaelegriffin Given a lot of tchrs only do a four-week intro are they really in position to not use cbks? #eltchat |
| cioccas |
1/5/2013 |
2:49 P.M. |
@adi_rajan yes! It's a constant juggling act to meet everyone's needs & objectives :-) #ELTchat |
| BobK99 |
1/5/2013 |
2:49 P.M. |
@idc74 #eltchat You might like to think that, but eg BBC's mats have a 'no adapting' license; & they didn't even answer reports of typos |
| jo_sayers |
1/5/2013 |
2:49 P.M. |
RT @teresa1999: #eltchat My stds have access to digital materials but many stds don't and CBs may be the only link to English texts they ha… |
| jo_sayers |
1/5/2013 |
2:49 P.M. |
@teresa1999 Yes, v true. Not all ss have acess to web and materials to print, email etc. #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
1/5/2013 |
2:49 P.M. |
RT @teresa1999: #eltchat My stds have access to digital materials but many stds dont & CBs may be only link to English texts. #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
1/5/2013 |
2:50 P.M. |
@michaelegriffin Sure - gd point; but new Ts not usually equipped with syllabus design skills - #ELTchat |
| teflerinha |
1/5/2013 |
2:50 P.M. |
@adi_rajan @Marisa_C #eltchat I agree (sorry @michaelegriffin ). I learnt a lot from the TBs too. But I always adapted and supplemented. |
| lexicojules |
1/5/2013 |
2:50 P.M. |
@michaelegriffin Depends how much support & training they have - I started off with nothing but a CB to get me started #ELTchat |
| teflerinha |
1/5/2013 |
2:51 P.M. |
@Shaunwilden @michaelegriffin #eltchat Used to work at school w/ 50 new CELTA teachers. Those trying 22hrs w/out CBs had nervous breakdowns! |
| adi_rajan |
1/5/2013 |
2:51 P.M. |
@Shaunwilden @michaelegriffin But those four-week intros often ease you into the culture of the coursebook! #eltchat |
| jo_sayers |
1/5/2013 |
2:51 P.M. |
@teflerinha @adi_rajan @Marisa_C @michaelegriffin Suppose it depends on T style too. Some just love to adapt! #eltchat |
| Arifjan |
1/5/2013 |
2:52 P.M. |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: Many teachers don't have access or the time (or inclination) to access all that's 'out there'. #ELTChat |
| TomTesol |
1/5/2013 |
2:52 P.M. |
'No coursebook' is a goal, not an innate ability... #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
1/5/2013 |
2:52 P.M. |
RT @teflerinha: @Shaunwilden @michaelegriffin #eltchat Used to work at school w/ 50 new CELTA teachers. Those trying 22hrs w/out CBs had ne… |
| Shaunwilden |
1/5/2013 |
2:52 P.M. |
@adi_rajan @michaelegriffin Yes I agree but I could have handled my 30-hour a week first job without some material #eltchat |
| michaelegriffin |
1/5/2013 |
2:52 P.M. |
@Marisa_C yes I think we are getting into what @Shaunwilden mentioned related to 4 week courses. #eltchat |
| idc74 |
1/5/2013 |
2:52 P.M. |
@adi_rajan @Marisa_C Perhaps non-native English speaking teachers also under-represented here? #eltchat |
| TomTesol |
1/5/2013 |
2:52 P.M. |
@Marisa_C learning to work w/out CB, to design syllabus, to be 'well-trained' -- this all takes time and skill-building & practice #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
1/5/2013 |
2:52 P.M. |
Many teachers don't have access or the time (or inclination) to access all that's 'out there'. #ELTChat |
| Marisa_C |
1/5/2013 |
2:53 P.M. |
@TomTesol @idc74 @adi_rajan you are probably right - though I am one of those :-) #ELtchat |
| Shaunwilden |
1/5/2013 |
2:53 P.M. |
over 20 years as a teacher and I am still happy to use a cbk, really don't see why there is so much clamour to not use them #eltchat |
| AnneHendler |
1/5/2013 |
2:53 P.M. |
RT @TomTesol: No coursebook is a goal, not an innate ability...<< sometimes a reality tho. #ELTchat |
| teflerinha |
1/5/2013 |
2:53 P.M. |
@jo_sayers @adi_rajan @Marisa_C @michaelegriffin #eltchat And they probably end up as writers... |
| OUPELTGlobal |
1/5/2013 |
2:53 P.M. |
@TomTesol I'm not sure it even needs to be a goal - why? #ELTChat |
| TomTesol |
1/5/2013 |
2:53 P.M. |
RT @idc74: @adi_rajan @Marisa_C Perhaps non-native English speaking teachers also under-represented here? #eltchat |
| TomTesol |
1/5/2013 |
2:53 P.M. |
or if it is innate, it must be relearned as a teacher... #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
1/5/2013 |
2:54 P.M. |
@patjack67 So I am told, heyt we all make typos :-) #eltchat |
| TomTesol |
1/5/2013 |
2:54 P.M. |
@OUPELTGlobal agree in principle, but if you saw my CB this semester, you'd understand my point... #eltchat |
| patjack67 |
1/5/2013 |
2:54 P.M. |
@Shaunwilden #eltchat Don't you mean you couldn't have?! |
| bealer81 |
1/5/2013 |
2:54 P.M. |
Technical issues at this end. Sorry i can't continue. Really interesting chat as always. Interactive Cb anyone? #ELTchat |
| michaelegriffin |
1/5/2013 |
2:54 P.M. |
RT @adi_rajan: But those four-week intros often ease you into the culture of the coursebook! #eltchatβ€ for better of worse yup. :) |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
1/5/2013 |
2:54 P.M. |
At our uni language dept most CBs used by those teaching another language, not English. #eltchat Do we have more materials available? |
| OUPELTGlobal |
1/5/2013 |
2:55 P.M. |
Why is it thought that to teach w/out a csbk means you're a better teacher? Witnessed many 'winging' it (badly) over the years! #ELTChat |
| TomTesol |
1/5/2013 |
2:55 P.M. |
In Korea lots of schools make their own crappy CBs - not using it is essential! #eltchat |
| jo_sayers |
1/5/2013 |
2:55 P.M. |
@Shaunwilden @adi_rajan @michaelegriffin Yeah? New T, 30 hrs a week and no CB? #eltchat |
| teresa1999 |
1/5/2013 |
2:55 P.M. |
#eltchat unfortunately many schools don't allow teachers to adapt or move away from CBs. |
| idc74 |
1/5/2013 |
2:56 P.M. |
@teresa1999 Very true. It's usually the institution making the decisions, not the teachers. There's often a desire for consistency. #eltchat |
| TomTesol |
1/5/2013 |
2:56 P.M. |
@OUPELTGlobal I would imagine most wing it badly... #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
1/5/2013 |
2:56 P.M. |
@OUPELTGlobal #eltchat Me too! |
| OUPELTGlobal |
1/5/2013 |
2:56 P.M. |
@TomTesol so then it's about quality of csbk, not csbk themselves? #ELTChat |
| adi_rajan |
1/5/2013 |
2:56 P.M. |
@Shaunwilden Completely second that & really unfair to make Ts feel guilty about using CBs #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
1/5/2013 |
2:56 P.M. |
RT @teflerinha: #eltchat Got 2 go :( Can I shamelessly point you towrds my IATEFL presentation (brainsharked) on using CBs http://t.co/uytP… |
| teflerinha |
1/5/2013 |
2:56 P.M. |
#eltchat Got 2 go :( Can I shamelessly point you towrds my IATEFL presentation (brainsharked) on using CBs http://t.co/uytPd3VtYu |
| jo_sayers |
1/5/2013 |
2:56 P.M. |
@teresa1999 yes, some schools feel it safer to get Ts to stick to book. Less that can go wrong! #eltchat |
| prese1 |
1/5/2013 |
2:57 P.M. |
@teresa1999 especially schools that are constantly assessing students #eltchat |
| teresa1999 |
1/5/2013 |
2:57 P.M. |
#eltchat @idc74 I agree w you. Many teachers rely heavily on TG and CB due to their own lack of language. Most teachers here are non native. |
| lexicojules |
1/5/2013 |
2:57 P.M. |
@oupeltglobal It's only 'better' when what you do better suits the needs of your Ss - could be a small change or a biggie #ELTchat |
| idc74 |
1/5/2013 |
2:57 P.M. |
RT @TomTesol: In Korea lots of schools make their own crappy CBs - not using it is essential! #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
1/5/2013 |
2:57 P.M. |
@OUPELTGlobal True. But maybe assumed that those using CB only rely on it. #eltchat |
| TomTesol |
1/5/2013 |
2:57 P.M. |
@OUPELTGlobal Probably, and adaptability in context, which is partly on the Teacher. #eltchat |
| cioccas |
1/5/2013 |
2:57 P.M. |
@teresa1999 I'd find that a difficult (and boring) environment to teach in! #ELTchat |
| michaelegriffin |
1/5/2013 |
2:57 P.M. |
#eltchat not bragging or #humblebrag ging but I taught 30 hours a week in my first job with maybe 10 hours with CB. Learned and survived 1/2 |
| michaelegriffin |
1/5/2013 |
2:58 P.M. |
RT @AnneHendler: I don't think choosing to teach without a coursebook is the necessarily same thing as "winging it". #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
1/5/2013 |
2:58 P.M. |
@prese1 @teresa1999 yes - close relationship with testing bodies in many cases #eltchat |
| michaelegriffin |
1/5/2013 |
2:58 P.M. |
@michaelegriffin #eltchat 2/2 sure, tons of mistakes and everything and it's not the only way and not for all but it happened |
| jo_sayers |
1/5/2013 |
2:58 P.M. |
RT @teflerinha: #eltchat Got 2 go :( Can I shamelessly point you towrds my IATEFL presentation (brainsharked) on using CBs http://t.co/uytP… |
| AnneHendler |
1/5/2013 |
2:58 P.M. |
I don't think choosing to teach without a coursebook is the necessarily same thing as "winging it". #ELTchat |
| cioccas |
1/5/2013 |
2:58 P.M. |
@teflerinha Thanks, will check it out! #ELTchat |
| adi_rajan |
1/5/2013 |
2:58 P.M. |
@OUPELTGlobal That seems to be the dogma of certain recent methodology ;-) #eltchat |
| TomTesol |
1/5/2013 |
2:59 P.M. |
@AnneHendler True -- but it's a skill that requires lots of knowledge of learning, input, output, etc. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
1/5/2013 |
2:59 P.M. |
Anyone fancy doing the summary? #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
1/5/2013 |
2:59 P.M. |
@AnneHendler agreed - people also wing it with coursebooks! #ELTChat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
1/5/2013 |
2:59 P.M. |
We now create 'readers' for our classes rather than use CB. Lots of work and not all want to do this. #eltchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
1/5/2013 |
2:59 P.M. |
@adi_rajan agreed! there's nothing wrong with using csbks - as long as you use them well! :-) #ELTChat |
| cioccas |
1/5/2013 |
2:59 P.M. |
@OUPELTGlobal I'd consider using one if there was one to meet the needs of my students, but I think our market is too small. #ELTchat |
| jo_sayers |
1/5/2013 |
3:00 P.M. |
@michaelegriffin but 10 hrs cb must have impacted on the 20 hours no CB? As a new teacher it prob helped you learn? #eltchat |
| AnneHendler |
1/5/2013 |
3:00 P.M. |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: @AnneHendler agreed - people also wing it with coursebooks! << very true! #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
1/5/2013 |
3:00 P.M. |
@TomTesol and your point abt non native teachers - do u think more reliant on CBs bcz of lack of linguistic confidence? #ELTchat = CB a help |
| TomTesol |
1/5/2013 |
3:01 P.M. |
@Marisa_C (Someone else's pt) In general, good CBs can be counted on for input supply, ideas for activities. (1/2) #eltchat |
| teresa1999 |
1/5/2013 |
3:01 P.M. |
#eltchat Experienced teachers know CBs aren't enough just as online resources may not be enough. There's the interaction, human factot. |
| AnneHendler |
1/5/2013 |
3:01 P.M. |
@TomTesol I think it takes new teacher time to learn how to use a CB as well, though. It's all a learning process. #ELTchat |
| BobK99 |
1/5/2013 |
3:01 P.M. |
Goot go. Good talk. A Bientot. #ELTchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
1/5/2013 |
3:01 P.M. |
@Marisa_C @TomTesol - I relied on csbks for language knowledge that I didn't have as a native speaker! #ELTChat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
1/5/2013 |
3:02 P.M. |
@Shaunwilden ok thanks. will take a look at blog. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
1/5/2013 |
3:02 P.M. |
@MarjorieRosenbe no we are talking abt criterial for evauating online activities pls check blog #ELTchat |
| languagebubble |
1/5/2013 |
3:02 P.M. |
@TomTesol some large publishing houses dont do a much better job ;) #eltchat |
| TomTesol |
1/5/2013 |
3:02 P.M. |
@AnneHendler right - in the end it's all just choices of technology/cultural tools #eltchat |
| cioccas |
1/5/2013 |
3:02 P.M. |
RT @AnneHendler: @TomTesol I think it takes new teacher time to learn how to use a CB as well, though. It's all a learning process. #ELTchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
1/5/2013 |
3:02 P.M. |
Same topic tonight? #eltchat |
| TomTesol |
1/5/2013 |
3:02 P.M. |
(2/2) most new Ts (NS and NNS) need this...? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
1/5/2013 |
3:02 P.M. |
@OUPELTGlobal Usually the grammar frameworks is what NEST's need more help on - did you? #ELTchat |
| OUPELTGlobal |
1/5/2013 |
3:02 P.M. |
Interesting chat one and all - thanks! Got to dash.... #ELTChat |
| Shaunwilden |
1/5/2013 |
3:02 P.M. |
The topic at 21 BST is β€evaluating web-based tool for learning’ see blog for more details http://t.co/ae0pVtjF5t #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
1/5/2013 |
3:03 P.M. |
@Shaunwilden soon the #istekelt videos should be online so we can also use some of them as discussion topics #ELTchat |
| TomTesol |
1/5/2013 |
3:03 P.M. |
@Marisa_C yes (grammar frameworks) at the start #eltchat |
| cioccas |
1/5/2013 |
3:03 P.M. |
@teresa1999 Good point! #ELTchat |
| michaelegriffin |
1/5/2013 |
3:03 P.M. |
RT @AnneHendler: @TomTesol I think it takes new teacher time to learn how to use a CB as well, though. It's all a learning process. #ELTchat |
| cioccas |
1/5/2013 |
3:04 P.M. |
Thanks all on #ELTchat - interesting discussion, glad I could join for part of it :-) |
| Marisa_C |
1/5/2013 |
3:04 P.M. |
RT @TomTesol: @michaelegriffin just don't know why we have to live at one extreme or the other #eltchat > we don't!!!! |
| Shaunwilden |
1/5/2013 |
3:04 P.M. |
@Marisa_C Cool :-) #eltchat |
| adi_rajan |
1/5/2013 |
3:04 P.M. |
θ°Άθ°Ά for the really lively chat! #eltchat |
| TomTesol |
1/5/2013 |
3:04 P.M. |
@michaelegriffin just don't know why we have to live at one extreme or the other #eltchat |
| michaelegriffin |
1/5/2013 |
3:05 P.M. |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @TomTesol: @michaelegriffin just don't know why we have to live at one extreme or the other #eltchat > we don't!!!! |
| jo_sayers |
1/5/2013 |
3:05 P.M. |
Thanks all, v interesting. Here's my post on @NikPeachey's talk, the focus of tonight's #eltchat http://t.co/7spwG04E9D |
| michaelegriffin |
1/5/2013 |
3:05 P.M. |
@TomTesol I'm honestly not sure who is actually saying teachers need to be on either extremes. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
1/5/2013 |
3:05 P.M. |
Have we got anyone who would like to write this summary? #eltchat |
| prese1 |
1/5/2013 |
3:06 P.M. |
Thanks for the #eltchat |
| KhansaThamir |
1/5/2013 |
3:06 P.M. |
@michaelegriffin @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden I think it'll be reasonable if the cb was 1 of the resources, bt not the only one 4 ss &Trs #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
1/5/2013 |
3:07 P.M. |
RT @jo_sayers: Here's my post on @NikPeachey's talk, the focus of tonight's #eltchat http://t.co/idHXoWX8tM .> Cool!!! |
| Marisa_C |
1/5/2013 |
3:08 P.M. |
Thank you all for joining this #ELTchat - still need to press for someone to write summary |
| teresa1999 |
1/5/2013 |
3:08 P.M. |
#eltchat It was a very nice discussion. It made me think of how many different paths I've taken in my long teaching career. Thanks! |
| teresa1999 |
1/5/2013 |
3:09 P.M. |
#eltchat sorry, i meant human factor. |
| adi_rajan |
1/5/2013 |
3:11 P.M. |
@Marisa_C @Shaunwilden I'd be happy to help but I won't be able to send it before the middle of May Is that okay? #eltchat |
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