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theteacherjames
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Welcome to #eltchat - are you ready to discuss the flipped classroom?
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:01:03 +0000
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naomishema
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Good evening! Doing my best to stay awake for #eltchat!
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:01:30 +0000
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RebuffetBroadus
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Let's get this party started! #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:02:03 +0000
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theteacherjames
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@naomishema We'll try very hard to make it interesting for you! #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:02:07 +0000
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Wiktor_K
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Hi all! #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:02:26 +0000
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eannegrenoble
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RT @eannegrenoble: evening James - well for me at least - I've done my prework#eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:02:32 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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am having trouble with tweetdeck is it just me? #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:02:36 +0000
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theteacherjames
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@RebuffetBroadus Nice and lively Christina, love it! :-) #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:02:42 +0000
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naomishema
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@theteacherjames #eltchat is always interesting. sometimes the body overcomes..
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:02:49 +0000
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eannegrenoble
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@Shaunwilden tweetdeck's last days - #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:03:01 +0000
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elawassell
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RT @theteacherjames: are you ready to discuss the flipped classroom? << I'm here :-) I don't know much about the topic. #ELTchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:03:05 +0000
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theteacherjames
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@Wiktor_K Hi Wiktor! #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:03:09 +0000
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naomishema
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@Shaunwilden am using chrome tweetdeck. all is well. #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:03:09 +0000
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theteacherjames
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@naomishema I know the feeling. It's like a shot of adrenalin! #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:03:39 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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@elawassell did you not do the pre-session work? :-) #eltchat!
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:03:57 +0000
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theteacherjames
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@Shaunwilden Working well for me. #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:03:58 +0000
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TheSecretDoS
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@theteacherjames what little I've read suggests that it doesn't really work. #ELTChat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:04:01 +0000
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Marisa_C
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@naomishema great to see you after w long while #ELTchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:04:11 +0000
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theteacherjames
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@elawassell It's a new subject for me too, much to learn! #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:04:21 +0000
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RebuffetBroadus
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HI @eannegrenoble We could have had an #eltchat pyjama party!
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:04:31 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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@TheSecretDoS why not? #eltchat!
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:04:36 +0000
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Marisa_C
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Hi everyone wnad welcome #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:04:56 +0000
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RebuffetBroadus
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New subj for me too, but keen to learn if it really works. Got lots of potential BE clients saying their problem is... #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:05:15 +0000
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theteacherjames
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@TheSecretDoS That's interesting, so far what I've seen is enthusiastically pro. Would like a different perspective. Any links? #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:05:30 +0000
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Marisa_C
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@RebuffetBroadus @eannegrenoble te he he #eltchat what do u think most of us are wearing at this time
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:05:32 +0000
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eannegrenoble
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@RebuffetBroadus duh - what when ... I thought that was what is was every week #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:05:38 +0000
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TheSecretDoS
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@Shaunwilden THAT I can't remember! Perhaps somebody will be able to e plain. #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:05:49 +0000
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RebuffetBroadus
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...traditional face-to-face only lessons don't meet companies' needs or prof'l constraints. Employees not always there to attend #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:05:51 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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@TheSecretDoS i saw a few talks on it at IATEFL, seemed there were issues but mainly cos it was sth new #eltchat!
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:06:26 +0000
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theteacherjames
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@Marisa_C @RebuffetBroadus @eannegrenoble I don't wear pyjamas at 2pm! #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:06:27 +0000
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elawassell
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@Shaunwilden Yes! I did the reading - and that's all I know - Haven't seen it in practice. Unless ... (1) #ELTchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:06:43 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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@theteacherjames @Marisa_C @RebuffetBroadus @eannegrenoble can we get our mind on the #eltchat! please!
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:06:53 +0000
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Marisa_C
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Did any of you manage to watch Paul's presentation at #iatefl and what is your take on this? #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:07:06 +0000
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elawassell
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@Shaunwilden Unless the latest changes in the format was ... flipping the #ELTchat? We do the video first... (2)
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:07:06 +0000
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theteacherjames
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So what does the flipped classroom mean to you? #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:07:17 +0000
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Marisa_C
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RT @theteacherjames: So what does the flipped classroom mean to you? #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:07:32 +0000
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TheSecretDoS
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#ELTchat arguments against flipping aplenty on google
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:07:42 +0000
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eannegrenoble
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@Marisa_C Yep - I watched it - I wouldn't want to use his example 4 vocab though :-P #iatefl #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:07:48 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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@elawassell well there is an element of that :-) #eltchat!
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:07:49 +0000
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naomishema
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@theteacherjames The students reading something or watching something at home and then engagin actively with the topic in class #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:08:05 +0000
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RebuffetBroadus
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I saw Steven Bukin's & Lindsay Warwick's presentations, but not Pauls. #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:08:21 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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@Marisa_C if i am honest parts of it to me werent really flipped more using web 2.0 #eltchat!
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:08:32 +0000
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eannegrenoble
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RT @theteacherjames: So what does the flipped classroom mean to you? >>Ss have smthg specific 2 do 2 prepare the next class #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:08:56 +0000
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theteacherjames
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RT @naomishema: @theteacherjames The students reading something or watching something at home and then engagin actively with the topic in class #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:09:01 +0000
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Marisa_C
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RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C if i am honest parts of it to me werent really flipped more using web 2.0 #eltchat! > agree
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:09:06 +0000
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TheSecretDoS
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#eltchat think main argument is that it's the digital equivalent of chalk and talk.
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:09:23 +0000
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abelgalvezelt
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RT @Marisa_C: Great infographic for the flipped classroom shared by @MicaelaCarey for #ELTchat http://t.co/JfYbulKQXw pls RT
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:09:39 +0000
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Marisa_C
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The Q is when is it flipped or when is it plain homework #ELtchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:09:39 +0000
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RebuffetBroadus
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My argument against would be "Ss don't have time to do it"--coming from Bus Eng perspective here #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:09:41 +0000
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tanyatrusler
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Love the idea of more activities during class time. But wouldn't many students not do the "homework" (watching lectures at home)? #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:09:53 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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i saw bergman and sams talk on it earlier this year, they way apply it is not simply just do the hmk or use tech #eltchat!
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:10:28 +0000
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RebuffetBroadus
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For me FC= having the "meat" of lessons avail to Ss outside of class, but in an engaging format that makes them want to do it #eltchat...
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:10:32 +0000
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Marisa_C
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@tanyatrusler interesting you mention lectures - in original flipped classroom design #ELtcha would that work for language teaching?#eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:10:47 +0000
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theteacherjames
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@TheSecretDoS I did wonder about that, watching some non-ELT examples. Seemed like a lecture, just with added discussion. #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:10:55 +0000
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TheSecretDoS
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#eltchat http://t.co/ZsgfdZNJFg
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:11:02 +0000
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jo_sayers
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#eltchat sorry, bit late!
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:11:07 +0000
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RebuffetBroadus
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...so that Ss can go over the key concepts on their own, then come to class with their questions, which the T+Ss address #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:11:11 +0000
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naomishema
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@tanyatrusler if students see that they benifit in class by doing the homework, adults will do it, #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:11:23 +0000
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Marisa_C
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@RebuffetBroadus seems like a very traditional model of learning to me #eltchat put that way
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:11:36 +0000
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Wiktor_K
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Flipping a class you normally "study" results in more interaction. But in language class, lesson=interaction. Why flip it? #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:11:39 +0000
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TheSecretDoS
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#eltchat http://t.co/XDNPwU5kz9
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:11:52 +0000
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eannegrenoble
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RT @RebuffetBroadus: ...so that Ss can go over the key concepts on their own, (...), which the T+Ss address #eltchat >> dream on LOL
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:11:53 +0000
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theteacherjames
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@RebuffetBroadus That's a very good point. Seems to be a way of doubling the workload which may work in school, but w/ adults? #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:12:32 +0000
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TheSecretDoS
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#eltchat http://t.co/WjN8OgmBfj
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:12:35 +0000
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RebuffetBroadus
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I think the Web 2.0 version of chalk & talk is a good analogy--one that we should find a way to improve on #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:12:43 +0000
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elawassell
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RT @Wiktor_K: Flipping a class you normally "study" results in more interaction. But in language class, lesson=interaction. Why flip it? #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:12:43 +0000
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naomishema
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does it count as flipping if students studied vocab BEFORE LESSON, on their own, which was then actively used in the lesson? #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:13:02 +0000
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theteacherjames
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RT @tanyatrusler: Love the idea of more activities during class time. But wouldn't many students not do the "homework" (watching lectures at home)? #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:13:02 +0000
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Marisa_C
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@tanyatrusler no worries - new for most of us - exploring the construct and Paul's interpretation of it #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:13:02 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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@Wiktor_K but is the argument that it would make more time for true interaction #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:13:07 +0000
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jo_sayers
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#eltchat I think of the idea as freeing up class time for production and meanigful use of language, discussion etc.
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:13:08 +0000
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RebuffetBroadus
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@eannegrenoble @Marisa_C Yes, and that's the problem. How do you make it less "transmission trad'l" AND get Ss to do it? #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:13:43 +0000
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eannegrenoble
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RT @naomishema: does it count as flipping if sts studied vocab BEFORE LESSON, on their own, which (..) used in the lesson? #eltchat > yep
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:13:50 +0000
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Marisa_C
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@naomishema not a bad argument #eltchat but vocab 'encounters' not only productive #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:14:00 +0000
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tanyatrusler
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@naomishema I agree that most adults would do it. But at my school, we had summer grps of teens, and was hard to get them to do hw. #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:14:16 +0000
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eannegrenoble
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RT @naomishema: does it count as flipping >> i.e; nothing new me thinks #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:14:19 +0000
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jo_sayers
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@theteacherjames @RebuffetBroadus But isn't it about maximising efficiency, surely the business folk know all about that #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:14:31 +0000
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Wiktor_K
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@Shaunwilden "true," as opposed to what? Isn't most lg learning constructed / simulated? See the point, but not convinced still. #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:14:37 +0000
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theteacherjames
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RT @TheSecretDoS: #eltchat http://t.co/ZsgfdZNJFg
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:14:51 +0000
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RebuffetBroadus
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I used to work for a co. that used this kind of thing w/its BE clients: 30 min of video in a resouce ctr in their company, then... #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:15:11 +0000
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Marisa_C
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If you have content (e.g. chemistry) to teach, sounds OK #ELtchat but isn't part of lang learning discovery? #Eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:15:13 +0000
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eannegrenoble
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RT @jo_sayers: #eltchat I think of the idea as freeing up class time (..) use of language, discussion etc. like reading the article B4 class
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:15:37 +0000
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tanyatrusler
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@jo_sayers And that's a great idea! More engaging for students. #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:15:37 +0000
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theteacherjames
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@jo_sayers @RebuffetBroadus true, but how many adults can afford to give up that much time? #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:15:44 +0000
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jo_sayers
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@tanyatrusler @naomishema but if it was watching a video on youtube, they may be more inclined? #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:15:50 +0000
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RebuffetBroadus
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...1h w/trainers discussing what they had done on the PCs. A lot of them just quit going to the resource ctrs b/c it felt "optional"#eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:15:56 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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@eannegrenoble yes i'd agree that in essence we've been doing bits of flipped for years #eltchat!
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:16:36 +0000
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Marisa_C
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@eannegrenoble I can see the use of reading a 'stimulus' article beforehand on which some case study work project will b done #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:16:50 +0000
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jo_sayers
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@theteacherjames @RebuffetBroadus but in the traditional setting we expect some homework, so surely it's not necessarily that dif #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:16:57 +0000
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TheSecretDoS
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#ELTchat the research seems to suggest that homework does not raise learning. What is flipped if it is not overloading SS with homework?
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:17:11 +0000
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Marisa_C
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@jo_sayers @theteacherjames @RebuffetBroadus so we could call HW flipping the classroom? Hardly! #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:17:31 +0000
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tanyatrusler
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@jo_sayers @naomishema Yes, that would be more appealing to teens. Or short "lectures" #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:17:32 +0000
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theteacherjames
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@jo_sayers @RebuffetBroadus Sure, but the difference is that with normal h/w, it's much more optional...#eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:17:39 +0000
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RebuffetBroadus
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@Shaunwilden @eannegrenoble Agree, I guess the "new" is that now it's web-based and freely accessible on different devices #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:17:53 +0000
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theteacherjames
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@jo_sayers @RebuffetBroadus …in a flipped classroom, it's really mandatory to be successful. #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:18:05 +0000
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tanyatrusler
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@Shaunwilden @eannegrenoble That's true, assigning the reading for hw and discussing the next day is tried and true! #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:18:25 +0000
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jo_sayers
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@Marisa_C but that can happen at home or in CR setting I think #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:18:25 +0000
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naomishema
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Giving my high-school students online homework helped made more kids do h.w. especially with personal comments from me #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:18:42 +0000
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RebuffetBroadus
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I think for FC to work, the "outside" content must really be engaging. It has to speak to the Ss. #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:19:11 +0000
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eannegrenoble
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I think FC is a "new" idea for pple not much online .... seems that lots of blended learning available now for langs with st prod#ELTchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:19:24 +0000
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Wiktor_K
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I think the key to flipping lg classrooms would be to identify the elements that can be "flipped out" of class-time. Not everything #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:19:33 +0000
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naomishema
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RT @RebuffetBroadus: I think for FC to work, the "outside" content must really be engaging. It has to speak to the Ss. #eltchat ALWAYS!
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:19:34 +0000
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jo_sayers
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@theteacherjames @RebuffetBroadus I agree, but if it's 2 x 3 hrs a week business class, hw is essential then too, if to improve #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:19:40 +0000
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elawassell
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RT @TheSecretDoS: the rsrch sms 2 sggst homework doesn't raise learning. What is flipped if it is not overloading SS with homework? #ELTchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:19:41 +0000
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Marisa_C
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some types of student research - whether on grammar or other could be justified - but would call this project-based learning #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:19:44 +0000
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jo_sayers
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RT @RebuffetBroadus: I think for FC to work, the "outside" content must really be engaging. It has to speak to the Ss. #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:20:01 +0000
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tanyatrusler
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@naomishema Interesting. I can see how direct feeback like that would be motivating #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:20:03 +0000
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RebuffetBroadus
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Now how to do that, I don't know...because every learner is different and will find diff things engaging, so does FC facilitate? #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:20:16 +0000
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jo_sayers
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@RebuffetBroadus yes, agree with that, got to get ss onside #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:20:20 +0000
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eannegrenoble
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@Wiktor_K very much linked with the idea of teacher-led instruction #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:20:34 +0000
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theteacherjames
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As ELT teachers we are used to adjusting & adapting ideas, & while FT in other subjects doesn't convince me, I could use with my ss #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:20:49 +0000
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RebuffetBroadus
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@jo_sayers @theteacherjames Yes, but in my experience 80% of BE learners simply don't have time to do things out of class #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:21:31 +0000
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naomishema
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RT @Wiktor_K: key to flipping lg classrooms would be 2 identify the elements that can be "flipped out" of class-time. Not everything#eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:21:35 +0000
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jo_sayers
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@RebuffetBroadus I suppose in the same way that a class has to, by trying to keep everyone involved as much as poss #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:21:37 +0000
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theteacherjames
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@RebuffetBroadus @jo_sayers Agreed. #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:21:47 +0000
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TheSecretDoS
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“Flipped classroomsâ€: You keep using that word … well worth reading! #eltchat http://t.co/IRsKQnEnLI
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:21:52 +0000
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theteacherjames
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RT @Wiktor_K: I think the key to flipping lg classrooms would be to identify the elements that can be "flipped out" of class-time. Not everything #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:21:57 +0000
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Wiktor_K
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@eannegrenoble Yes, or coursebook-based material - the parts of it that ss work through at their own time & are the better for it. #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:22:00 +0000
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RebuffetBroadus
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@jo_sayers @theteacherjames It reduces progress, indeed, but that seems to concern them less than attending to their job #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:22:05 +0000
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theteacherjames
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So if we ask our students to do writing activities at home, are we flipping the classroom? #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:22:27 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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@theteacherjames well provided they get the input, not just go write this #eltchat!
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:23:06 +0000
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Marisa_C
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@TheSecretDoS we can call it Peter if you like :-D #ELTchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:23:09 +0000
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RebuffetBroadus
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@theteacherjames I don't think so. I think that's just plain ol' homework :) #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:23:27 +0000
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naomishema
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easiest to flip with grammar and vocab.#eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:23:29 +0000
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naomishema
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RT @RebuffetBroadus: @theteacherjames I don't think so. I think that's just plain ol' homework :) #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:23:39 +0000
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theteacherjames
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@Shaunwilden Just makes it sound a bit less revolutionary! #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:23:45 +0000
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Marisa_C
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@naomishema The question is not just which is easiest but whether it's actually desirable and effective #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:24:18 +0000
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jo_sayers
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#eltchat Khan Academy have ways of highlighting where learners are having probs and pairing for peer help/teaching. I like that idea
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:24:19 +0000
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RebuffetBroadus
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So would we say that FC by definition has a tech component? #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:24:25 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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@theteacherjames but you could set it up by the screen recording etc then it would be going that way wouldnt it? #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:24:43 +0000
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Wiktor_K
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@RebuffetBroadus Noooooo! :D #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:24:57 +0000
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TheSecretDoS
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To paraphrase Neil Postman, what is the problem to which FCs are the solution? #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:25:10 +0000
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Marisa_C
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RT @RebuffetBroadus: So would we say that FC by definition has a tech component? #eltchat> Probably new term for old clothes ?
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:25:22 +0000
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theteacherjames
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@RebuffetBroadus But traditionally that would be done in class. Write at home, discuss & share in lesson time = flipped, no? #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:25:31 +0000
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eannegrenoble
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RT @naomishema: easiest to flip with gr and vb.#eltchat > that's why I rather use "blended" than flipped - so much gram help available
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:25:39 +0000
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Marisa_C
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RT @TheSecretDoS: To paraphrase Neil Postman, what is the problem to which FCs are the solution? #eltchat > distance; money
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:25:41 +0000
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naomishema
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RT @TheSecretDoS: To paraphrase Postman, what is the problem to which FCs are the solution? #eltchat >time wasted in class in giving rules?
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:26:18 +0000
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eannegrenoble
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Online help as needed /useful ... not teacher decided "instruction #ELTchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:26:21 +0000
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theteacherjames
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@Shaunwilden So technology is necessary for it to be flipped? (Sorry, I'm learning here!) #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:26:26 +0000
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TheSecretDoS
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#eltchat think FC is meant to be more than homework. HW sposed to extend learning. FC IS the learning input.
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:26:39 +0000
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jo_sayers
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@TheSecretDoS People work at different speeds, Class pace will be too fast for some to take in, too slow for others. #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:26:52 +0000
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RebuffetBroadus
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@TheSecretDoS I suppose the prob that in trad classrms, the input is a one-off experience. FC allow Ss to go back to iit often #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:26:53 +0000
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Marisa_C
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Could this concept work with online Ss who meet in a VLE to activate language perhaps? #ELTchat is it necessary in f-2-f situs?
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:26:57 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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@theteacherjames well most models of it utilise it in terms of providing descriptive videos #eltchat!
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:27:15 +0000
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theteacherjames
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RT @RebuffetBroadus: So would we say that FC by definition has a tech component? #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:27:16 +0000
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elawassell
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.@eannegrenoble that's what I've been wondering about: how is Flipped Classroom different form Blended Learning? #ELTchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:27:17 +0000
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Wiktor_K
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I'm worried by the eagerness of some educators to blow $ on tech the moment they hear a new catchphrase.Flipped could b same story. #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:27:18 +0000
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theteacherjames
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RT @TheSecretDoS: To paraphrase Neil Postman, what is the problem to which FCs are the solution? #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:27:30 +0000
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TheSecretDoS
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@naomishema no time is wasted in the flipped classroom? #eltchat. Not convinced!
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:27:32 +0000
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Marisa_C
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@TheSecretDoS it is - which is why we are discussing Paul's talk #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:27:32 +0000
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Marisa_C
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RT @Shaunwilden: @theteacherjames well most models of it utilise it in terms of providing descriptive videos #eltchat!
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:27:56 +0000
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naomishema
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@TheSecretDoS Why can't h,w be preparation for lesson instead of extension? really good when SS come to class knowing something! #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:28:09 +0000
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jo_sayers
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@Marisa_C I'd say it works in both, but especially useful in VLEs #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:28:14 +0000
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TheSecretDoS
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@Marisa_C #eltchat but you need money to have the hardware to benefit from flipped classroom.
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:28:16 +0000
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RebuffetBroadus
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@theteacherjames I don't know, I tend to set writing 4 hmwk, but don't feel "flippy" doing so. Feel quite old fashioned, in fact :) #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:28:25 +0000
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theteacherjames
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@Shaunwilden Do you think that is because it's a new idea & therefore tech is seen as essential nowadays? #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:28:29 +0000
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Marisa_C
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@TheSecretDoS sure - but less expensive than travel accommodation etc #eltchat surely
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:28:52 +0000
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jo_sayers
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@TheSecretDoS @naomishema well clearly yes, but best to minimise time waste where possible #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:29:01 +0000
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elawassell
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RT @Wiktor_K: I'm worried by the eagerness of some educators to blow $ on tech the moment they hear a new catchphrase.Flipped could b same story. #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:29:28 +0000
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naomishema
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@TheSecretDoS didn't say no time is wasted. get rid of some wasted time devoted to rules. always "some" #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:29:30 +0000
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e_d_driscoll
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#ELTchat How does this wk in v common situation that not all Ss can be relied on to do hwk, or to come to every session?
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:29:35 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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@theteacherjames erm no, i think it is gaining popularity due to ease of being able to record and the growth of tech as a way #eltchat!
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:29:38 +0000
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Wiktor_K
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@RebuffetBroadus FC is a useful philosophy and can work without all tech, I think. Dogme has moments where it would agree with FC! #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:29:42 +0000
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TheSecretDoS
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@jo_sayers will Ss really WANT to connect at home to get their learning? #eltchat. Flipped classrooms ignore many people's reality.
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:29:58 +0000
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eannegrenoble
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@elawassell RT @TheSecretDoS: #eltchat (..) FC IS the learning input. >>Blended allows reference back /reinforment of things seen in class
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:30:03 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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@theteacherjames to deal with differentiation #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:30:04 +0000
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Marisa_C
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Can f-2-f Ts see any use in adopting video based input into their curriculum? #eltchat or are we talking abt things by a different name?
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:30:16 +0000
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theteacherjames
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@Wiktor_K @RebuffetBroadus yes, I saw a compatibility with dogma there too. #eltchat #nosurprises
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:30:18 +0000
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RebuffetBroadus
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VLEs are a good way to avoid too much chalk & talk! Could set a video + chat discussion pre-lesson? #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:30:44 +0000
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TheSecretDoS
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@RebuffetBroadus what kid of Ss are these??? #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:31:05 +0000
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jo_sayers
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@TheSecretDoS but do all people want to sit in class and listen to rules. IMO we're moving towards an expectation of info-on-demand #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:31:40 +0000
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RebuffetBroadus
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@Wiktor_K @theteacherjames Um, yes! FC seems very Dogme-compatible b/c you work w/ what the Ss bring in from the pre-class work #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:31:43 +0000
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Wiktor_K
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For me, FC= "go home. do work. think about it. come back. let's talk." IF tech helps, great. If it gets in the way, tough. #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:31:56 +0000
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theteacherjames
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1 of the key differences between ELT & other subjects is that they record lectures to view at home. When would we need to do that? #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:32:11 +0000
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theteacherjames
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We can flip the classroom in a very different way from a maths teacher, for example. #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:32:37 +0000
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RebuffetBroadus
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@Marisa_C Definitely! I'm doing market studies now on companies' desires in L2 training and this is the kind of thing they want! #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:32:48 +0000
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Marisa_C
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@jo_sayers ...or front of a screen and listen to rules either!!! Have u watched all those inane lectures about language on Youtube? #ELtchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:32:50 +0000
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theteacherjames
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@RebuffetBroadus @Wiktor_K Exactly. #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:32:52 +0000
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eannegrenoble
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@jo_sayers info-on-demand doesn't seem compatible with FC (as I see it) #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:32:57 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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@theteacherjames grammar presentations for example
#eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:33:06 +0000
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naomishema
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No one has mentioned individualized h,w. i'm special ed teacher. different h,w 4 different students. 4 SOME students GREAT, #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:33:27 +0000
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jo_sayers
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@theteacherjames yes, less focus on explaining in our industry I suppose #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:33:39 +0000
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Marisa_C
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@RebuffetBroadus but that's not new is it - case study work in ESP always involved informational input #ELTchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:33:44 +0000
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RebuffetBroadus
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@theteacherjames Good point!We wouldn't lecture in class Ss, why do it on a video? The format doesn't change the technique itself! #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:34:02 +0000
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elawassell
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RT @theteacherjames: 1 of the key differences between ELT & other subjects is that they record lectures to view at home. When would we need to do that? #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:34:20 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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@naomishema yes i think individualisation and differentiation is a real bonus #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:34:25 +0000
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jo_sayers
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@eannegrenoble but ss can watch, rewatch, take things at own pace & use other sources in a way not usually possible in CR #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:34:46 +0000
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theteacherjames
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@jo_sayers I think this makes FC more useable for us than other subjects. We can provide input through more interesting materials. #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:34:53 +0000
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RebuffetBroadus
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@Marisa_C @jo_sayers Yes, they just seem more confusing than anything! Poor Ss thinking this is the way to learn a language! #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:34:58 +0000
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Marisa_C
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Wow I am getting the feeling we are NOT convinced around these parts!! #ELTchat at least abt buying this wholesale!
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:35:00 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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@e_d_driscoll all of what? #eltchat!
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:35:02 +0000
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theteacherjames
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@RebuffetBroadus I actually think it could suit ELT quite well. No lectures, just interesting input. #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:35:40 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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RT @Marisa_C: Wow I am getting the feeling we are NOT convinced around these parts!! #ELTchat is that cos we're not sure abt how it works?
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:35:42 +0000
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Wiktor_K
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So, guys, is it still "guide on the side" in a flipped lg classroom? Sounds dreamy, but is there a better role for us? #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:35:51 +0000
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RebuffetBroadus
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@Marisa_C Not new, but it seems companies aren't getting this kind of possibility from current providers #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:35:58 +0000
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elawassell
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RT @Marisa_C: Wow I am getting the feeling we are NOT convinced around these parts!! #ELTchat at least abt buying this wholesale! #ELTchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:36:03 +0000
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avafruin
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@naomishema how exactly do you do this? does it take forever to grade? does it affect participation/group work in class? #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:36:05 +0000
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theteacherjames
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RT @e_d_driscoll: @Shaunwilden But you'd have to watch all of them first- many many misconceptions out there #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:36:09 +0000
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Marisa_C
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@Shaunwilden As with everything ppl interpret it acc to own perceptions #ELtchat but we are talking abt original model of flipping
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:36:35 +0000
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jo_sayers
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@RebuffetBroadus @Marisa_C yes, true. But maybe if we moved in this direction, resources would improve!? #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:36:38 +0000
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eannegrenoble
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@jo_sayers That's why I keep saying "blended" rather than "flipped" Sts use tech 4 production and have gm ref etc in correction. #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:36:51 +0000
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e_d_driscoll
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@Shaunwilden #ELTchat all the grammar presentations on all of the internet. I wouldnt trust any random crank on youtube
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:37:03 +0000
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naomishema
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@avafruin I use edmode to help me individualize homework. easy to keep track and grade. Use same video for all but different task #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:37:15 +0000
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Marisa_C
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@eannegrenoble @jo_sayers new packaging hey? #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:37:15 +0000
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RebuffetBroadus
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@theteacherjames There's definitely potential, but we have to figure out how best to apply the concept to L2 learning. #eltchat A challenge!
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:37:37 +0000
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theteacherjames
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@Shaunwilden But I think we'd lecture a lot less than a maths teacher. We would probably find another way (example, activity etc). #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:37:42 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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@e_d_driscoll no , In FC is the teacher makes them for their class #eltchat!
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:37:44 +0000
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Marisa_C
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Reminds me of many other new packaging terms for stuff that's been around for decades #ELTchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:37:47 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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@theteacherjames noone said lecture, it could be a videod set of questions, examples for sts to derive rules etc #eltchat!
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:38:13 +0000
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jo_sayers
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@eannegrenoble seems like a term which fits better for now. Use what's best of both #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:38:13 +0000
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TheSecretDoS
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@jo_sayers is language learning a knowledge-based enterprise? I don't think so. #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:38:20 +0000
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theteacherjames
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@Shaunwilden I'm comparing it to how I've seen other disciplines use it. I think some of the criticisms wouldn't apply to ELT. #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:39:21 +0000
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Wiktor_K
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1 more thing 2 remember: FC invented & perfected in compulsory settings - lg classes often voluntary - more resistance to more work #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:39:39 +0000
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Marisa_C
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@Shaunwilden I think some of these ideas might work best with teacher-ed courses than with language input #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:39:58 +0000
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jo_sayers
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@TheSecretDoS well, there is a certain amount of knowledge (systems) but it's a lot about how they're used (skills) #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:40:02 +0000
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RebuffetBroadus
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Integrating connectivity into FC seems important for motivation. Many BE Ss say they don't do the online parts of their lessons b/c #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:40:13 +0000
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tanyatrusler
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FC sounds like a lot of work for Ts, finding or making videos etc., until there are more resources available #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:40:17 +0000
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RebuffetBroadus
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...it isn't interactive enough for them #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:40:35 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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@Marisa_C yes i can see it working well in that context #eltchat!
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:40:46 +0000
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Marisa_C
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RT @tanyatrusler: FC sounds like a lot of work for Ts, finding/making videos etc., until there are more resources available #eltchat >gd pt
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:40:50 +0000
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theteacherjames
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@RebuffetBroadus I see potential in providing input up front, leaving more time in class. Wouldn't change lessons but for more time #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:40:53 +0000
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naomishema
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@tanyatrusler That's why we share our work online! pool our resources! #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:40:59 +0000
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eannegrenoble
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RT @Shaunwilden: @e_d_driscoll no , In FC is the teacher makes them for their class #eltchat! > for FC yes
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:41:02 +0000
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RebuffetBroadus
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Connectivism, sorry! #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:41:14 +0000
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jo_sayers
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@Wiktor_K But is it more work? Or just a different kind of work? #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:41:19 +0000
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Marisa_C
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@tanyatrusler and one wonders why a poorly paid T would do all this extra work #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:41:26 +0000
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Wiktor_K
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@RebuffetBroadus Aaye, but what if interactivity was the thing they came to class to do? "watch this. next week, talk about it." #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:41:27 +0000
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elawassell
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@Shaunwilden So telling SS to watch eg.Pride and Prejudice @ home and then plan activities around it in the classroom is not FC (?) #ELTchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:41:33 +0000
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TheSecretDoS
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@jo_sayers true. But jury is staying out on whether direct instruction on these systems is enough to lead to successful learning. #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:41:36 +0000
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tanyatrusler
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@naomishema Yes, that helps! #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:42:08 +0000
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RebuffetBroadus
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@Marisa_C @tanyatrusler Yes, or unless T does same lessons all the time to make the time invstment worth it. But no one does that! #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:42:13 +0000
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eannegrenoble
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RT @Shaunwilden: @e_d_driscoll no , In FC is the teacher makes them for their class #eltchat! >> for quick gm ref some BC and BBC fine
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:42:15 +0000
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e_d_driscoll
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@eannegrenoble @Shaunwilden #ELTchat So pretty time and resource intensive- video, audio
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:42:16 +0000
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Wiktor_K
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@jo_sayers More work for Ss - if the homework part defines how good the class part is. #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:42:18 +0000
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naomishema
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teacher DO NOT have to invent the wheel every week. get to know what is already available - lots of great people sharing! #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:42:42 +0000
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TheSecretDoS
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#eltchat FC sounds like publishers' wet dream. Able to charge premium price for a virtual product.
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:42:43 +0000
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tanyatrusler
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@Marisa_C Indeed! The things we do for our students... #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:42:49 +0000
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Marisa_C
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RT @TheSecretDoS: #eltchat FC sounds like publishers' wet dream. Able to charge premium price for a virtual product.> ha ha good one
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:43:10 +0000
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RebuffetBroadus
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@Wiktor_K That's exactly what they say. They like F2F lessons b/c they're interactive. They don't like the online part b/c it's not #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:43:12 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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@elawassell no its about giving the sts time to study, do tasks etc, the classroom is the space for them to ask and interact #eltchat!
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:43:24 +0000
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naomishema
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RT @RebuffetBroadus: @Wiktor_K That's exactly what they say. They like F2F lessons b/c they're interactive. They don't like the online part b/c it's not #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:43:26 +0000
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RebuffetBroadus
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@Marisa_C @tanyatrusler To turn it into a conference talk :) #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:43:36 +0000
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e_d_driscoll
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RT @Marisa_C: @tanyatrusler and one wonders why a poorly paid T would do all this extra work #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:43:38 +0000
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avafruin
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@naomishema where do you go for resources? #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:44:02 +0000
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Wiktor_K
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@TheSecretDoS Actually, DoSs and schools could charge premium for an "innovative approach." Everyone wins ;-) #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:44:09 +0000
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Marisa_C
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my problem with do the reading/viewing outside the class deprives the ss of process focused instruction on their receptive skills #ELtchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:44:13 +0000
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avafruin
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RT @naomishema: teacher DO NOT have to invent the wheel every week. get to know what is already available - lots of great people sharing! #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:44:17 +0000
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RebuffetBroadus
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RT @naomishema: teacher DO NOT have to invent the wheel every week. get to know what is already available - lots of great people sharing! #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:44:31 +0000
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avafruin
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RT @Shaunwilden: @elawassell no its about giving the sts time to study, do tasks etc, the classroom is the space for them to ask and interact #eltchat!
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:44:37 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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@Marisa_C do sts need to focus on these in class anymore? #eltchat!
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:44:57 +0000
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Jananstwit
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RT @naomishema: teacher DO NOT have to invent the wheel every week. get to know what is already available - lots of great people sharing! #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:44:59 +0000
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Wiktor_K
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@RebuffetBroadus That's a connection FC must make & emphasize-the more work Ss do on the non-class part, the better the class gets. #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:45:12 +0000
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eannegrenoble
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@RebuffetBroadus I have two videos I made because I got fed up of repeating the same thing :-P .. watch in class together :-P #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:45:20 +0000
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jo_sayers
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@TheSecretDoS yes, discovery cd b more effective, opportunities to notice etc. But often combined with a focus on form too #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:45:29 +0000
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Marisa_C
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RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C do sts need to focus on these in class anymore? #eltchat! > suggesting osmosis?
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:45:30 +0000
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TheSecretDoS
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#eltchat most Ss where I work highly unlikely to let learning interfere with their home life. Tbh, were I 18 & learning L2 out of obligation
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:45:36 +0000
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RebuffetBroadus
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@Marisa_C Maybe spend 1st lessons on FC study skills training? #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:45:36 +0000
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naomishema
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@avafruin depends for what. vocab I use quizlet a lot for intro to vocab which will appear in classwork #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:46:09 +0000
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RebuffetBroadus
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@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C I think so sometimes. Some Ss don't know how to efficiently deal w/ L2 input & could use tips/ training #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:46:22 +0000
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Marisa_C
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@RebuffetBroadus would suggest that reading and listening instruction needs constant attention #ELTchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:46:41 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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@Marisa_C no suggesting that the mutilmodality has given rise to a different set of recpetive skills #eltchat!
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:46:43 +0000
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eannegrenoble
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RT @RebuffetBroadus: @Marisa_C Maybe spend 1st lessons on FC study skills training? #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:47:02 +0000
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Jananstwit
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RT @Shaunwilden: @elawassell no its about giving the sts time to study, do tasks etc, the classroom is the space for them to ask and interact #eltchat!
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:47:11 +0000
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RebuffetBroadus
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@eannegrenoble Good idea! Ts know what things come up repeatedly & could start by videoing these! #eltchat Start slowly!
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:47:20 +0000
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jo_sayers
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#eltchat I think the idea should be to flip every once in a while, when it suits the lesson, focus etc. Build up to more if going well
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:47:34 +0000
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RebuffetBroadus
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@eannegrenoble What platform/software do you use to make the videos? #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:47:44 +0000
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Wiktor_K
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@Marisa_C Good point - receptive skills are "hi-maintenance" enough without another mode of learning interfering here. #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:47:49 +0000
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avafruin
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@naomishema gotcha. do you do the same with grammar? #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:47:57 +0000
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naomishema
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sorry folks, the body is rebellious. Heading off to sleep! Good night! #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:47:57 +0000
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avafruin
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RT @jo_sayers: #eltchat I think the idea should be to flip every once in a while, when it suits the lesson, focus etc. Build up to more if going well
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:48:16 +0000
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Marisa_C
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RT @jo_sayers: #eltchat I think the idea should be to flip every once in a while, when it suits the lesson, focus etc. > wise man
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:48:22 +0000
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Wiktor_K
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@naomishema Goodnight #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:48:27 +0000
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theteacherjames
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The problem that I can't get over is that however I look at it, it's still mandatory h/w, & for many reasons I struggle with this. #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:48:28 +0000
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avafruin
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RT @RebuffetBroadus: @eannegrenoble Good idea! Ts know what things come up repeatedly & could start by videoing these! #eltchat Start slowly!
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:48:28 +0000
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avafruin
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@naomishema goodnight! and thanks for the helpful info! #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:48:57 +0000
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eannegrenoble
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@RebuffetBroadus ...lots ... then pieced to gether with camtasia (very expensive) #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:48:59 +0000
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theteacherjames
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RT @TheSecretDoS: #eltchat most Ss where I work highly unlikely to let learning interfere with their home life. Tbh, were I 18 & learning L2 out of obligation
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:49:03 +0000
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Marisa_C
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@theteacherjames am with you on this one - and if NOT done and class activcities depend on it the lesson willl be flipping useless #Eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:49:12 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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@theteacherjames you struggle with mandatory homework? #eltchat!
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:49:15 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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@eannegrenoble @RebuffetBroadus if you have a tablet there are lots of screen recording apps #eltchat!
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:49:53 +0000
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avafruin
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@theteacherjames any potential for optional/additional resources at home? or would this sabotage in-class work? #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:49:54 +0000
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eannegrenoble
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RT @Marisa_C: @theteacherjames (..) if NOT done and class activcities depend on it the lesson willl be flipping useless #Eltchat >> LOL
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:49:56 +0000
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theteacherjames
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@Shaunwilden As a teacher of adults, yes, it's up to them, & as a student, frequently! #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:50:04 +0000
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RebuffetBroadus
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@theteacherjames ANd the fact that, cool & hip as it is, we still may run into the same probs as w/ trad hmwk assignmts #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:50:08 +0000
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e_d_driscoll
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#ELTchat this sounds like a great idea for a perfect world- motivated Ss with time for it, T with paid time, resources and training
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:50:09 +0000
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theteacherjames
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RT @Marisa_C: @theteacherjames am with you on this one - and if NOT done and class activcities depend on it the lesson willl be flipping useless #Eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:50:14 +0000
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TheSecretDoS
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@theteacherjames Agreed #eltchat what is the provenance of this FC?
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:50:20 +0000
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jo_sayers
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@theteacherjames I try to make hm pretty much mandatory for my ss though, or encourag them to see it as essential for their learnig #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:50:25 +0000
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MicaelaCarey
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@MicaelaCarey #ELTchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:50:32 +0000
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Marisa_C
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@e_d_driscoll or ss who are regularly whipped! #eltchat :-D
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:50:45 +0000
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elawassell
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RT @Marisa_C: @theteacherjames (...) if NOT done & class activcities depend on it the lesson willl be flipping useless <<LOL agree! #ELTchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:50:48 +0000
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theteacherjames
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@Marisa_C Exactly, hence the mandatory. It just can't work without it. #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:50:51 +0000
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TheSecretDoS
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#eltchat if my Ss are going to do out at home, I'd rather that it involved speaking to people and learning through communication.
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:51:16 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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@theteacherjames i think homework should be set to encourage them #eltchat!
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:51:21 +0000
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theteacherjames
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@avafruin I don't see how it can be skipped without having consequences in the classroom later. #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:51:26 +0000
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Wiktor_K
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@Marisa_C Whipped-flipped classroom OMG. #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:51:28 +0000
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avafruin
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@e_d_driscoll exactly! but not a reality for so many of us... :( #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:51:35 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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@theteacherjames FC people say those that dont do it at home can do it class #eltchat!
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:51:44 +0000
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RebuffetBroadus
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@Shaunwilden @eannegrenoble iPad mini for me. Anywhere I can find a list of these apps to maybe play around with & test? #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:51:45 +0000
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Marisa_C
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@Wiktor_K :-D wisecracking in the absence of higher order thinking #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:51:54 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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@RebuffetBroadus yes will tweet some after chat #eltchat!
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:52:14 +0000
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theteacherjames
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@RebuffetBroadus yes, exactly. There's no getting away from that. #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:52:27 +0000
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e_d_driscoll
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RT @avafruin: @e_d_driscoll exactly! but not a reality for so many of us... :( #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:52:35 +0000
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Marisa_C
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@Shaunwilden @theteacherjames preferrable chained to their desks? then we go back to the open class model #eltchat :-)
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:52:36 +0000
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eannegrenoble
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@RebuffetBroadus I'll get back 2 you on that :-) #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:52:37 +0000
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avafruin
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@Shaunwilden @theteacherjames what would the ss who did it at home do during this time? #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:52:46 +0000
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jo_sayers
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@theteacherjames @Marisa_C you could say that they do different exercise if didn't do hw, have printouts ready #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:53:12 +0000
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Marisa_C
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@avafruin @Shaunwilden @theteacherjames they would do differentiated instruction I gather - which means anticipating/planning more #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:53:32 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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@avafruin ask the questions and interact as per the model suggests #eltchat!
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:53:36 +0000
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theteacherjames
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@jo_sayers I teach adults, all I can do is make it available, encourage etc. But I can't make my lessons dependant on it! #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:53:49 +0000
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RebuffetBroadus
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@eannegrenoble Great, thx! #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:54:00 +0000
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AngloFLE
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RT @naomishema: @theteacherjames The students reading something or watching something at home and then engagin actively with the topic in class #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:54:05 +0000
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e_d_driscoll
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RT @theteacherjames: @jo_sayers I teach adults, all I can do is make it available, encourage etc. But I can't make my lessons dependant on it! #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:54:33 +0000
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e_d_driscoll
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RT @Marisa_C: @theteacherjames am with you on this one - and if NOT done and class activcities depend on it the lesson willl be flipping useless #Eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:54:44 +0000
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RebuffetBroadus
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@theteacherjames @jo_sayers Same here. Doing so would look "unprof'l" on my part to a BE client who didn't do the hmwk! #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:55:18 +0000
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theteacherjames
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@RebuffetBroadus @jo_sayers yes, I have to be ready to deliver & there's no way I can say it's their fault! #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:56:05 +0000
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RebuffetBroadus
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@theteacherjames @jo_sayers Even though it would be the client who was not pro in that sit'n. Alas, we can't always depend on them! #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:56:12 +0000
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Marisa_C
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Shall we now flip a coin as to who should do the summary please? Before you all disappear? #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:56:13 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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@RebuffetBroadus screenchomp, educreations, explain everything, showme, doodlecast #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:56:33 +0000
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Marisa_C
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RT @Shaunwilden: @RebuffetBroadus screenchomp, educreations, explain everything, showme, doodlecast #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:56:44 +0000
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Wiktor_K
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I'm on it (the summary) #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:56:59 +0000
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theteacherjames
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@e_d_driscoll Don't forget the #eltchat hashtag!
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:57:04 +0000
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jo_sayers
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@RebuffetBroadus @theteacherjames arguably unprofessional on their part not to have spent a bit of time on their hw though too! #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:57:16 +0000
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theteacherjames
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RT @e_d_driscoll: @RebuffetBroadus @theteacherjames @jo_sayers and if the hwk isn't done by 2/3 of group? #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:57:20 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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@Wiktor_K thanks #eltchat!
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:57:22 +0000
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Marisa_C
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@Shaunwilden I love educreations #eltchat but use it for feedback on errors rather than for input
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:57:24 +0000
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TheSecretDoS
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#eltchat one has to wonder with flipped learning when learners will get time to be kids/husbands/wives/people. Ideology of 24 hr workers...
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:57:31 +0000
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jo_sayers
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RT @Shaunwilden: @RebuffetBroadus screenchomp, educreations, explain everything, showme, doodlecast #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:57:36 +0000
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RebuffetBroadus
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@Shaunwilden Thanks for those! #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:57:48 +0000
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jo_sayers
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@theteacherjames @e_d_driscoll @RebuffetBroadus you set it up wrong! #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:58:03 +0000
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theteacherjames
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@jo_sayers @RebuffetBroadus I wouldn't argue with that, but we can't use that as an excuse, unfortunately! #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:58:05 +0000
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Wiktor_K
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@Shaunwilden Nae worries. Plz let me know when transcript online? #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:58:40 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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@RebuffetBroadus if you goggle you can find how teachers use them, explain everything seems popular though it costs #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:59:03 +0000
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e_d_driscoll
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#ELTchat Hard to see this as much more than a rebranding of homework.
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:59:08 +0000
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theteacherjames
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Here's a list of flipped tools @jo_sayers shared earlier: http://t.co/OVu7FSxNpG #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:59:22 +0000
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e_d_driscoll
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RT @jo_sayers: @theteacherjames @e_d_driscoll @RebuffetBroadus you set it up wrong! #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:59:25 +0000
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Marisa_C
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@e_d_driscoll Good point, esp as one of the functions of homework is preparation - which is what talking abt here #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:59:49 +0000
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RebuffetBroadus
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@theteacherjames @jo_sayers Exactly! Always have to have a plan B! Especially with BE Ss! #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 21:00:04 +0000
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Wiktor_K
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I still believe there's an ELT teacher somewhere who has flipped the classroom and it worked. One day, I'll find them. #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 21:00:10 +0000
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jo_sayers
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#eltchat Thanks all, was fun
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 21:00:23 +0000
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theteacherjames
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RT @e_d_driscoll: @jo_sayers @theteacherjames @RebuffetBroadus Very likely (you forgot the #eltchat hashtag again!!)
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 21:00:31 +0000
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Marisa_C
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RT @Wiktor_K: I still believe there's an ELT teacher somewhere who has flipped the classroom & it worked. One day, I'll find them. #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 21:00:32 +0000
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tanyatrusler
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This was my first full #eltchat session. Really enjoyed it! See you all next Wed.
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 21:00:32 +0000
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RebuffetBroadus
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@theteacherjames @jo_sayers Cue the arguments for testing the waters of Dogme! ;) #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 21:00:38 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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well hopefully tonight's discussion is the starting point for more thinking about the FC, i think we'll hear more about it #eltchat!
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 21:01:10 +0000
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Marisa_C
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@Wiktor_K fully and all of the time? I seriously doubt it #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 21:01:10 +0000
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RebuffetBroadus
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RT @theteacherjames: Here's a list of flipped tools @jo_sayers shared earlier: http://t.co/OVu7FSxNpG #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 21:01:33 +0000
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theteacherjames
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@RebuffetBroadus @jo_sayers Let's not go there Christina!! #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 21:01:38 +0000
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TheSecretDoS
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Good night all! Many thanks! #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 21:02:11 +0000
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Wiktor_K
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@Marisa_C Well, one's still allowed to dream. Goodnight all! #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 21:02:16 +0000
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Marisa_C
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Well what fun we had disagreeing with everything! #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 21:02:24 +0000
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theteacherjames
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Really interesting discussion everyone. Thanks, I learned a lot! #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 21:02:31 +0000
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kierandonaghy
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RT @AlexandraGuzik: Our new work inspired by @kierandonaghy http://t.co/Vp2PZQYFt2 Thank you, Kieran!!! #elt #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 21:02:41 +0000
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theteacherjames
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@TheSecretDoS Thanks for the links, interesting stuff! #eltchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 21:02:49 +0000
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Marisa_C
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@theteacherjames me too! a good #ELTchat always clears my brain of cobwebs :-)
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 21:03:16 +0000
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MicaelaCarey
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Thanks for a great chat- great to see all these ideas, etc bounced back and forth #ELTchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 21:03:54 +0000
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RebuffetBroadus
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Lots of things to think about and explore to try to make FC work in ELT--in its baby stages still, I think! #eltchat Bonne nuit everyone!
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 21:04:09 +0000
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theteacherjames
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In other news, since I know how strongly you #eltchat folks feel about professional development...http://t.co/XMvX2NU7ZN
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 21:04:09 +0000
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elawassell
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Thank you everyone - I'll keep on exploring on FC, as I'm still not convinced about the usefulness of the FC in ELT... THANKS ALL! #ELTchat
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 21:04:54 +0000
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Marisa_C
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@elawassell Ideas evolve from discussions - I think we did our bit tonight #eltchat :-)
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Wed, 24 Apr 2013 21:05:46 +0000
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