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Marisa_C
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Time for #ELTchat - we are discussing the Six Abilities for Teachers as per Jun Liu's plenary - anyone here?
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:00:53 +0000
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theteacherjames
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RT @Marisa_C: Time for #ELTchat - we are discussing the Six Abilities for Teachers as per Jun Liu's plenary - anyone here?
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:01:38 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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@Marisa_C i am :-) i reckon the move to bst wiill catch some out #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:01:44 +0000
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theteacherjames
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HI everyone, really looking forward to getting back into #eltchat!
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:02:02 +0000
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vickyloras
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@Marisa_C Here #ELTChat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:02:32 +0000
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Marisa_C
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@theteacherjames @vickyloras welcome - kalos orisate #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:03:06 +0000
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muranava
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lurking :) #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:03:08 +0000
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PTPIPaige
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Here! (Raising my hand!!) #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:03:10 +0000
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Marisa_C
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@PTPIPaige Great! Is this your first #ELTchat?
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:03:36 +0000
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jo_sayers
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RT @Marisa_C: Time for #ELTchat - we are discussing the Six Abilities for Teachers as per Jun Liu's plenary - anyone here?
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:03:49 +0000
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LizziePinard
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#eltchat hi all :-)
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:04:16 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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so we're discussing the 6 things raised in Jun Liu's plenary #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:04:28 +0000
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PTPIPaige
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@Marisa_C I am typically a quiet observer! #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:05:07 +0000
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haniehak
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ingenuity @marisa_c #eltchat #ifihad
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:05:18 +0000
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Marisa_C
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Hello @SophiaMav and @lizziePinard good to see you here #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:05:46 +0000
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jo_sayers
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@bnleez @ddeubel We're doing it, we've flipped! If you watched the plenary last week or online that is... #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:06:04 +0000
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Marisa_C
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@haniehak hi there and welcome #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:06:07 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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If you havent watched the plenary recording the 6 things are listed om our blog #ELTchat http://t.co/kOUYTSsyMC
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:06:16 +0000
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JonnyLewington
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#eltchat We know that what makes a good lesson often depends on the student's needs. Surely what makes a good teacher does too?
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:06:23 +0000
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Marisa_C
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RT @Shaunwilden: If you havent watched the plenary recording the 6 things are listed om our blog #ELTchat http://t.co/kOUYTSsyMC
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:06:25 +0000
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theteacherjames
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@Marisa_C @vickyloras Thanks, I think ;-) #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:07:00 +0000
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Marisa_C
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@JonnyLewington surely - we are discussing this particular set though here #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:07:04 +0000
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MarjorieRosenbe
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@Shaunwilden took part earlier so will just take a look at what's being said #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:07:12 +0000
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theteacherjames
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@SophiaMav Hi Sophia! #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:07:20 +0000
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jo_sayers
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@JonnyLewington yes, I'd say hard to narrow it to 6 for all occasions, classes etc. #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:07:36 +0000
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Marisa_C
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"1/ Make constant and effective changes" - this is the first of six abilities acc to Jun Liu #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:08:29 +0000
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theteacherjames
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@haniehak Good to see you here (don't forget the #eltchat hashtag!)
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:08:30 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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RT @Marisa_C: "1/ Make constant and effective changes" - this is the first of six abilities acc to Jun Liu #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:08:59 +0000
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vickyloras
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RT @Shaunwilden: If you havent watched the plenary recording the 6 things are listed om our blog #ELTchat http://t.co/kOUYTSsyMC
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:09:09 +0000
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Marisa_C
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Ideas please? #ELTchat what do you think about this first ability?
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:09:28 +0000
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pjgallantry
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#ELTchat evening all
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:09:42 +0000
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muranava
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European Profiling Grid http://t.co/BIQGQammKv #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:09:54 +0000
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Marisa_C
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@pjgallantry hi there #eltchat welcome
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:10:13 +0000
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theteacherjames
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By constant & effective changes, he basically means ongoing professional development. I can't disagree with that! #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:10:20 +0000
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LizziePinard
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“@Marisa_C: "1/ Make constant and effective changes" -#ELTchat” yep - Spose u do if u constantly responding and adapting to what emerges
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:10:25 +0000
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pjgallantry
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#ELTchat constant and effective changes sounds remarkably nebulous and prone to subjective interpretation
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:10:37 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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RT @theteacherjames: By constant & effective changes, he basically means ongoing professional development. I can't disagree with that! #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:10:37 +0000
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shaznosel
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Sorry Im late..just watched the IATEFL vid..rather a lot to take in ! #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:10:44 +0000
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SophiaMav
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@Marisa_C constant YES, effective...hmm, we won't be able to know until we see the result. I'd say "experiment". #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:11:04 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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@shaznosel yes there was rather a lot, what did you think? #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:11:22 +0000
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SophiaMav
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@shaznosel Hi Shaz :) #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:11:23 +0000
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Marisa_C
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@pjgallantry true - a bit vague - does it mean innovate all the time? #ELtchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:11:36 +0000
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haniehak
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RT @Shaunwilden: If you havent watched the plenary recording the 6 things are listed om our blog #ELTchat http://t.co/kOUYTSsyMC
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:11:56 +0000
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shaznosel
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@pjgallantry Agree! Changes depend on a lot of circumstances.. #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:12:06 +0000
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LizziePinard
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RT @pjgallantry: "#ELTchat constant and effective changes sounds remarkably nebulous and prone to subjective interpretation" yep!
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:12:14 +0000
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Marisa_C
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@SophiaMav "experiment' is a term closer to the concept of teacher-as-researcher model #Eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:12:17 +0000
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jo_sayers
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@Marisa_C I think it's fairly easy to get behind that one #eltchat maybe the constant would put people off, maybe 'regular' better for some?
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:12:50 +0000
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pjgallantry
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#ELTchat do we need to constantly reinvent the wheel?
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:13:06 +0000
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shaznosel
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@Shaunwilden Thought initially about my Chinese learners..diff context/attitude to learning.. #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:13:09 +0000
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Marisa_C
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@jo_sayers yes - the word 'constant' makes it sounds like a relentless quest for change #ELtchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:13:27 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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@Marisa_C @jo_sayers agreed but i think in some ways we do constantly change certainly on a lesson by lesson basis #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:14:18 +0000
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vickyloras
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RT @SophiaMav: @Marisa_C constant YES, effective...hmm, we won't be able to know until we see the result. I'd say "experiment". #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:14:40 +0000
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jo_sayers
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@LizziePinard @pjgallantry but maybe through discussion of what it means to different people, we cd arrive at a better place #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:14:47 +0000
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shaznosel
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@haniehak Hey babe! Long time no hear..so..the future of ELT is.. #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:15:03 +0000
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joannacre
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@shaznosel @Shaunwilden me too. I liked the read read read and practice practice practice #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:15:39 +0000
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Marisa_C
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@muranava i couldn't actually find the document #eltchat - can u link it more directly?
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:15:45 +0000
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theteacherjames
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@pjgallantry I interpret it in more of a constant evolution as opposed to a constant revolution way. #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:16:20 +0000
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JonnyLewington
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#eltchat I agree with No.1 . Never teach the same lesson twice! :-)
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:16:22 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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RT @theteacherjames: @pjgallantry I interpret it in more of a constant evolution as opposed to a constant revolution way. #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:16:52 +0000
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shaznosel
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@vickyloras Exactly..experiment and see..maybe constant is not so good if not working for your learners.. #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:16:53 +0000
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PTPIPaige
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I think constant change is a lot to live up to - but rather, don't STOP making effective changes. Don't become sedentary. #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:17:12 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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RT @PTPIPaige: I think constant change is a lot to live up to - but rather, don't STOP making effective changes. Don't become sedentary. #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:18:02 +0000
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Marisa_C
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@PTPIPaige good point - don't stop - perhaps look for points where change is needed #ELtchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:18:04 +0000
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SophiaMav
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@JonnyLewington I think it can't be the same lesson when we teach a different class. It's always different. #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:18:04 +0000
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jo_sayers
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@shaznosel @vickyloras yes, you can never expect every change to be 100% effective #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:18:15 +0000
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@marisa_c Those EU statistics are miserable and demand the need for change #eltchat #edchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:18:24 +0000
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shaznosel
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@PTPIPaige Yes! Think this is more the point..keeping up to date rather than rigid or routine! #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:18:38 +0000
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pjgallantry
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#ELTchat constant change is like playing music at top speed with all the pauses and stops removed - a senseless cacophony
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:18:41 +0000
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haniehak
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@shaznosel Hey Sharon, have been busy in this new teaching context you know ;) I'd say teach and develop! #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:18:44 +0000
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SophiaMav
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RT @Marisa_C: @PTPIPaige good point - dont stop - perhaps look for points where change is needed #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:18:47 +0000
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muranava
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@Marisa_C Sept this year, the newsletter archive sme info //www.epg-project.eu/wp-content/uploads/Newsletter3_EPG.pdf #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:19:01 +0000
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haniehak
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RT @SophiaMav: @JonnyLewington I think it can't be the same lesson when we teach a different class. It's always different. #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:19:09 +0000
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shaznosel
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@jo_sayers Exactly change needs time and change! as in adapt #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:19:25 +0000
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Marisa_C
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Someone mentione babies and bathwaters earlier today - could be the case if change is an end in itself #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:19:26 +0000
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pjgallantry
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#ELTchat you need change, but you also need the pauses between changes - a place to reflect, look, listen, and think
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:19:32 +0000
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joannacre
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@PTPIPaige totally agree teach-learn-adapt#eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:19:38 +0000
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JonnyLewington
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@SophiaMav Agreed. I should have said: never ATTEMPT to teach the same lesson! #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:20:13 +0000
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shaznosel
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@haniehak Good for you! #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:20:21 +0000
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PTPIPaige
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RT @pjgallantry #ELTchat you need change, but you also need the pauses between changes - a place to reflect, look, listen, and think
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:20:33 +0000
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SophiaMav
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RT @pjgallantry: you need change, but you also need the pauses between changes - a place to reflect, look, listen, and think > YES! #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:20:39 +0000
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@marisa_c The EU will not put up with resistance to change and formulated New EU Outcome Rqmts http://t.co/phDzxu42fn #eltchat #edchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:20:49 +0000
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haniehak
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@SophiaMav @JonnyLewington Totally, that's y I disagree with those who say teach less and do more prof development! #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:21:36 +0000
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Marisa_C
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Being open to change of course implies being informed, being connected and willing to try out new ideas and ways achieving goals #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:21:52 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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Shall we move on to no.2? Learn and speak at least one other language. #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:22:18 +0000
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theteacherjames
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As he said in the talk "qualities & skills that define T's today may be entirely different in 2020" That's why we need change. #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:22:28 +0000
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shaznosel
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What about learn another lang..is this necessary? Although my ss in the UK say i seem to empathise as I live in a diff country. #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:22:49 +0000
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theteacherjames
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RT @Marisa_C: Being open to change of course implies being informed, being connected and willing to try out new ideas and ways achieving goals #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:22:55 +0000
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Marisa_C
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Also implies being aware of ways of evaluating changes introduced - not just running through a gamut haphazardly doing this 'n that #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:23:12 +0000
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vickyloras
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#ELTChat So important - Learning another language really puts us in the sts' shoes - more empathy #ELTChat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:23:18 +0000
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joannacre
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@JonnyLewington @SophiaMav but can u really?don't dif learners make u teach differently even if using the same materials?#eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:23:27 +0000
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Collaborative
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@Marisa_c This is flat miserable unacceptable - Google Trends for Language Learning + Teaching http://t.co/f9elJFPMAQ #eltchat #edchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:23:37 +0000
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SophiaMav
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RT @vickyloras: #ELTChat So important - Learning another language really puts us in the sts shoes - more empathy #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:23:55 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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@vickyloras @shaznosel so one of you says its v imp and the other asks if it's necessary :-) #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:23:58 +0000
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theteacherjames
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I don't think you need to be learning a new language all the time, but it should be done regularly, I agree. #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:24:16 +0000
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haniehak
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@Shaunwilden maybe to know and feel the process of learning?? #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:24:18 +0000
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Marisa_C
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We ran an #ELTchat on this very same topic - read here http://t.co/IK159tgJf2
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:24:18 +0000
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shaznosel
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i think I empathise more on cultural issues than language...or just the difficulties communicating.. #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:24:28 +0000
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jo_sayers
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@Marisa_C Constantly contemplate change and evaluate how effective any changes are #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:24:37 +0000
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pjgallantry
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#ELTchat teachers should at least actively try to learn another language - definitely provides insight into learner experience
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:24:42 +0000
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vickyloras
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RT @shaznosel: i think I empathise more on cultural issues than language...or just the difficulties communicating.. #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:25:01 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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@haniehak agree that this can help #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:25:10 +0000
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JonnyLewington
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On the downside, everyone learns differently. I don't think you should draw too many conclusions from your own learning experiences #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:25:26 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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RT @JonnyLewington: On the downside, everyone learns differently. I don't think you should draw too many conclusions from your own learning experiences #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:25:35 +0000
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vickyloras
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@Shaunwilden @shaznosel I suppose it depends on the country/context...in Greece didn't need it, here in Switz it helps #ELTChat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:25:40 +0000
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jo_sayers
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@haniehak haha, Hanieh, we did DELTA together! Fancy seeing you here #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:25:49 +0000
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shaznosel
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@Shaunwilden Empathise on the difficulties living in a diff culture is more imp than lang diff #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:25:57 +0000
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Collaborative
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@marisa_c This is flat miserable unacceptable EU Survey ESCL > Language learning in EU is Poor http://t.co/D6ZRyX2IHn #eltchat #edchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:25:58 +0000
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theteacherjames
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I have blogged about my experiences as a learner. I found the process very valuable & I recommend it to all. http://t.co/lqS37K1MDb #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:26:05 +0000
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Marisa_C
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@JonnyLewington true but we need occasional reminders - Ts often forget how much effort it takes to master a language #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:26:07 +0000
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AnaCristinaPrts
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RT @vickyloras: #ELTChat So important - Learning another language really puts us in the sts' shoes - more empathy #ELTChat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:26:54 +0000
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JonnyLewington
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Did anyone actually learn a language through the communicative method? I learned through grammar translation! #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:27:38 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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RT @JonnyLewington: Did anyone actually learn a language through the communicative method? I learned through grammar translation! #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:27:48 +0000
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shaznosel
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@Marisa_C True as you can understand practical issues of ss but don't think it is necessary to learn another lang..just adjust #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:27:48 +0000
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cioccas
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RT @Marisa_C: @JonnyLewington true but we need occasional reminders - Ts often forget how much effort it takes to master a language #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:27:49 +0000
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@marisa_c This is flat miserable unacceptable - Greece, EU Countries Face Brain Drain http://t.co/9BShL6phQU #eltchat #edchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:27:50 +0000
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theteacherjames
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@kenwilsonlondon has blogged about being a language leaner too: http://t.co/V2FtmsMz9p #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:28:09 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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@JonnyLewington and you're saying that was bad? #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:28:18 +0000
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theteacherjames
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RT @Marisa_C: We ran an #ELTchat on this very same topic - read here http://t.co/IK159tgJf2
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:28:22 +0000
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vickyloras
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RT @theteacherjames: I have blogged about my experiences as a learner. I found the process very valuable & I recommend it to all. http://t.co/lqS37K1MDb #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:28:29 +0000
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Marisa_C
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@JonnyLewington I learnt some Turkish using a range of approaches including a negotiated syllabus - #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:28:47 +0000
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SophiaMav
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@joannacre @jonnylewington absolutely. Sometimes, I deliberately teach the exact same less 2see how dif it can be from class2class #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:28:50 +0000
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haniehak
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@Shaunwilden To learn a language as a native teacher is necessary if u want to be great imo as a non-native #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:28:51 +0000
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shaznosel
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@Shaunwilden through immersion....just living in the country..as many ss do when they go abroad to study #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:29:13 +0000
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MarjorieRosenbe
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RT @pjgallantry: #ELTchat teachers should at least actively try to learn another language - definitely provides insight into learner experience
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:29:30 +0000
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jo_sayers
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#eltchat I'm not a fan of two, I think it helps for sure but other factors more imp in being great teacher
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:29:48 +0000
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cioccas
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RT @haniehak: @Shaunwilden To learn a language as a native teacher is necessary if u want to be great imo as a non-native #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:29:50 +0000
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JonnyLewington
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@Shaunwilden No I learned very effectively! I was just wondering... #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:29:51 +0000
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Marisa_C
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the memory of needing a syntax lesson while learning turkish sometimes makes me pause and think - #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:30:07 +0000
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LizziePinard
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http://t.co/UuCEs1aU7X #eltchat in case anyone needs to check which method they learnt by… ;-)
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:30:08 +0000
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pjgallantry
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#ELTchat I taught myself Turkish after giving up on the Hugo Learn Turkish In Six Months book :)
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:30:21 +0000
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jo_sayers
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@haniehak @Shaunwilden so teachers with one L can't be great? #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:30:52 +0000
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shaznosel
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@vickyloras TRUE! to be a lang learner is putting yourself in ss shoes but is is a must?? #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:30:58 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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@JonnyLewington :-) i was more GT as well but learned a long time ago #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:31:07 +0000
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haniehak
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@shaznosel @Marisa_c if you're a linguist I'd accept otherwise I think it's abs necessary! #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:31:15 +0000
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Marisa_C
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@LizziePinard this is a list of acronyms not methods!!! :-) #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:31:22 +0000
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shaznosel
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@jo_sayers Exactly..we can still understand the ss needs... #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:31:42 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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@jo_sayers @haniehak didnt say that, i actually think it is not THAT imp but learning can give insight #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:31:46 +0000
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Marisa_C
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@haniehak @shaznosel I am a linguist and hence not quite average in my needs :-D #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:31:59 +0000
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vickyloras
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@shaznosel Not a must at all, but can sure help.I've changed a lot as a teacher. Again, depends on the context : ) #ELTChat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:32:16 +0000
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theteacherjames
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@jo_sayers @haniehak @Shaunwilden No, but they could be even better! It's not about speaking another lang, it's about learning one. #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:32:32 +0000
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JonnyLewington
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@shaznosel No, not necessary. The best way to learn about how to learn English is to pay attention to your students progress imo #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:32:55 +0000
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shaznosel
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Most ss are not linguists.....so their needs are different to yours! #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:33:08 +0000
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Marisa_C
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Moving to No 3 - Teach less to maximize learning. #ELtchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:33:12 +0000
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jimscriv
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I've been a learner of many languages. I have completely failed to learn any to a decent level. #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:33:14 +0000
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vickyloras
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RT @theteacherjames: @jo_sayers @haniehak @Shaunwilden No, but they could be even better! It's not about speaking another lang, it's about learning one. #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:33:18 +0000
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theteacherjames
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@jimscriv But the experience of being a leaner must have been valuable, no? #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:33:54 +0000
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joannacre
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@shaznosel @vickyloras u know what its like to learn languge+ maybe even give tips to ur lrs on how learnt#eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:33:55 +0000
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LizziePinard
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@Marisa_C #eltchat teach less and do more with what you do teach and more with what emerges when you do teach?
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:33:58 +0000
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Marisa_C
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@jimscriv welcome to #ELTchat - am the opposite but ascribe to music :-)
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:34:09 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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RT @Marisa_C: @haniehak @shaznosel I am a linguist and hence not quite average in my needs :-D #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:34:17 +0000
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jimscriv
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I've always argued (out of necessity) that being a bad language learner helps you empathise better with majority of your sts . #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:34:18 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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RT @Marisa_C: Moving to No 3 - Teach less to maximize learning. #ELtchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:34:46 +0000
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JonnyLewington
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'Less' is a relative term. 'Less' than what? Average? Than yesterday? Than your colleagues? #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:34:59 +0000
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jo_sayers
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@Marisa_C maybe the 'less' is problematic #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:35:01 +0000
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theteacherjames
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@jimscriv That will explain my continuing success as a teacher! ;-) #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:35:16 +0000
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Marisa_C
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i think there is a language that is the downfall of even the best st - for me it's german #eltchat good for the ego
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:35:19 +0000
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shaznosel
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@JonnyLewington Exactly! We understand ss needsbut it helps if u understand what is it to live in another cultutre #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:35:32 +0000
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jimscriv
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NB Adrian Underhill's perfect coining: "The least that is enough" #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:35:40 +0000
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haniehak
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@jimscriv as if you have done the need analysis in advance! #eltchat right?
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:35:40 +0000
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pjgallantry
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#ELTchat glad to hear that the mighty @jimscriv has one weakness when it comes to language learning! :D
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:35:52 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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Shalll we move on to 3 Teach less to maximize learning. #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:36:10 +0000
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Marisa_C
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I mentioned this earlier that the 'less; may allow for fuller exploitation #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:36:15 +0000
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jimscriv
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@pjgallantry Ooooh - lots more but I'm not admitting them! #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:36:25 +0000
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pjgallantry
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“@jimscriv: NB Adrian Underhill's perfect coining: "The least that is enough" #eltchat” excellent.
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:36:26 +0000
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theteacherjames
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Point 3 is the one I have the most difficulty with. "Teach less"… hmmm, that's a very ambiguous statement. #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:36:39 +0000
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jo_sayers
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@JonnyLewington yep, agree. Teach the way you believe maximises learning! #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:36:40 +0000
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haniehak
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RT @jimscriv: NB Adrian Underhill's perfect coining: "The least that is enough" #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:36:40 +0000
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shaznosel
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I assume less means the learner should become more autonomous???? #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:36:46 +0000
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LizziePinard
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@Marisa_C #eltchat and what i tried to say just now but less clearly!
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:36:48 +0000
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Collaborative
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@marisa_c Its about EU OUTCOME ACCOUNTABILITY, less is unacceptable #eltchat #edchat + Paradigm Change
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:37:06 +0000
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Marisa_C
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@LizziePinard wow u had my head reeling :-D #eltchat but i know what u mean
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:37:20 +0000
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haniehak
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@Shaunwilden This is what I TOTALLY disagree! #eltchat Teaching is learning!
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:37:46 +0000
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jimscriv
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For me "The least that is enough" has been a very useful watchword. It doesn't mean "Don't teach". It could mean "Teach a lot". #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:37:49 +0000
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vickyloras
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RT @joannacre: @shaznosel @vickyloras u know what its like to learn languge+ maybe even give tips to ur lrs on how learnt#eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:38:07 +0000
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joannacre
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@shaznosel now thats a trendy word eh?#eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:38:13 +0000
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LizziePinard
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RT @jimscriv: For me "The least that is enough" has been a very useful watchword. It doesn't mean "Don't teach". It could mean "Teach a lot". #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:38:20 +0000
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Marisa_C
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Less is more - could be another good way of saying the same thing - i often see Ts overplanning lessons cramming time to nothing #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:38:24 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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@haniehak am not sure i follow #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:38:28 +0000
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theteacherjames
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I agree with the idea of making the sts the centre of the classroom & using new tech, but "teach less"? I don't like the wording. #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:38:36 +0000
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pjgallantry
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#ELTchat we should focus on smart teaching, not LOTS of teaching - focused, observation-based, learner-centred
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:38:41 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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RT @pjgallantry: #ELTchat we should focus on smart teaching, not LOTS of teaching - focused, observation-based, learner-centred
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:38:53 +0000
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Collaborative
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@marisa_c Minimizing + Sidestepping New EU Outcome Rqmts http://t.co/phDzxu42fn is unacceptable #eltchat #edchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:39:05 +0000
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jo_sayers
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@jimscriv yep, seems to fit whatever the situation. The problem is that a T may believe lots in necessary when other thnk otherwise #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:39:17 +0000
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Marisa_C
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Planning themselves into a corner of constant T-activity and very little St-activity #ELtchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:39:23 +0000
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shaznosel
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@joannacre I consider myself with it babe! #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:39:25 +0000
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LizziePinard
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@theteacherjames #eltchat I just took the less as meaning don't try to ram too much into lessons so there is space for learning
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:39:32 +0000
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jimscriv
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@jo_sayers Yes - so the discussion has to be over how we interpret "enough" #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:39:48 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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RT @LizziePinard: @theteacherjames #eltchat I just took the less as meaning don't try to ram too much into lessons so there is space for learning
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:39:51 +0000
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Marisa_C
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@LizziePinard @theteacherjames you were right Lizzie #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:39:53 +0000
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haniehak
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RT @pjgallantry: #ELTchat we should focus on smart teaching, not LOTS of teaching - focused, observation-based, learner-centred
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:40:15 +0000
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EFL_Marisa
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RT @Marisa_C: Being open to change of course implies being informed, being connected and willing to try out new ideas and ways achieving goals #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:40:16 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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@LizziePinard yes thats how i interpreted it too #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:40:17 +0000
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theteacherjames
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@LizziePinard I see what you mean, but I don't feel the idea of "teach less" was explained enough, too open to interpretation. #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:40:27 +0000
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haniehak
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RT @theteacherjames: I agree with the idea of making the sts the centre of the classroom & using new tech, but "teach less"? I don't like the wording. #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:40:28 +0000
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SophiaMav
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And maybe speak less, let the students speak more #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:40:35 +0000
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theteacherjames
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RT @jimscriv: For me "The least that is enough" has been a very useful watchword. It doesn't mean "Don't teach". It could mean "Teach a lot". #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:40:53 +0000
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jimscriv
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@NickCoxinPurley I've been taught in so many ways (eg Gram-Trans in USSR)- but being a teacher has made me a very bad student.! #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:41:01 +0000
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shaznosel
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I take the less as ss are more on the ball and supposedly use interactive sites etc to learn..not applicable to any of my ss but... #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:41:14 +0000
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jo_sayers
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@jimscriv yes, how we arrive at decisions about what is needed in what situation #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:41:16 +0000
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Marisa_C
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@jimscriv V difficult to interpret enough except in v subjective terms #eltchat - but that's how it works no?
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:41:20 +0000
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MarjorieRosenbe
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RT @shaznosel: @vickyloras TRUE! to be a lang learner is putting yourself in ss shoes but is is a must?? #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:41:42 +0000
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jimscriv
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@Marisa_C Well - yes! Teaching is a very subjective judgement. There is no fundamental truth. #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:42:02 +0000
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JonnyLewington
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But it depends. There are some teachers who may need to speak more, teach more. Constant s-s communication isn't always beneficial #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:42:08 +0000
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pjgallantry
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#ELTchat the whole idea of 'teach less, learn more' does seem like a re-glossing of well-discussed ELT ideas
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:42:11 +0000
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jo_sayers
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@Shaunwilden @LizziePinard I was thinking less TTT mainly. A packed lesson may maximise learning if activities are good #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:42:37 +0000
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theteacherjames
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@Marisa_C @LizziePinard It's interesting that he put tech at the centre of this space. Does the tech teach instead of the teacher? #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:43:03 +0000
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Marisa_C
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@jo_sayers you mean choc-a-bloc with many different activities? #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:43:31 +0000
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LizziePinard
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RT @jimscriv: "Teaching is a very subjective judgement. There is no fundamental truth." #eltchat yep can always find new ways to see things!
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:43:54 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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@theteacherjames i dont think he was saying that #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:44:35 +0000
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jimscriv
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Recently I've become more worried about "Don't teach" message of much contemp. training. We NEED to teach. But "just enough" #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:44:50 +0000
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Marisa_C
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I think 'less' means also allowing Ss processing time which often not available #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:44:59 +0000
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esolcourses
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Digital literacy: Twitter users: A guide to the law http://t.co/NV2reK4sNb #eltchat #edchat #libel
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:45:00 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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@esolcourses tut tut sue #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:45:16 +0000
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JonnyLewington
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@jo_sayers 'TTT' is over-demonised by the CELTA if you ask me. Teachers are useful resources (or should be!) #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:45:16 +0000
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shaznosel
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@MarjorieRosenbe I am in their shoes..so.do I really try on-line chats etc or do I just wait for my T next week.. #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:45:23 +0000
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MarjorieRosenbe
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@jimscriv Agree.Learning German was not easy so I can sympathise with my sts when they have problems. #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:45:33 +0000
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theteacherjames
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@Shaunwilden I'm not sure he was either, but it could be a consequence of what he was suggesting. #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:45:36 +0000
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pjgallantry
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“@Marisa_C: I think 'less' means also allowing Ss processing time which often not available #eltchat” good point
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:45:40 +0000
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joannacre
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@theteacherjames @Marisa_C @LizziePinard if that were true ud surf the net-watch tv learn a language.Tech helps doesnt replace#eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:46:28 +0000
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LizziePinard
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#eltchat if u ram less in to a lesson, can do more with it, challenge ss more with it and thus teach more in the end. as vs not teach.
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:46:49 +0000
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Marisa_C
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Time flies with you all No 4/ Teach English in at least one subject area. - Opinions? #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:46:50 +0000
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muranava
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Jun Liu "non directive approaches" critiques of this fr beginner learners http://t.co/dHaQSRGRR6 #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:46:59 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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RT @Marisa_C: Time flies with you all No 4/ Teach English in at least one subject area. - Opinions? #eltchat yes about to tweet the same :-)
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:47:08 +0000
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textivate
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TTT means students get to hear accurate CI rather than eachother's mistakes. #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:47:11 +0000
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theteacherjames
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Should we move onto point 4? That we should teach at least one subject area outside of ELT. I can't agree with this. #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:47:16 +0000
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shaznosel
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@MarjorieRosenbe Agree..I live in Greece and understand the difficulties of opportunities or just trying to express yourself.. #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:47:27 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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@theteacherjames no nor me #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:47:28 +0000
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jo_sayers
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@Marisa_C well, 'choc-a-bloc' sounds neg. But a fast pace can work well if acts selected well. Keep up the cognitive engagement #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:47:42 +0000
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jimscriv
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I strongly suspect that good subject teaching in English IS English teaching. But we don't all get the chance to do it. #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:47:58 +0000
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textivate
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How does no.4 apply to most EFL teachers? #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:48:00 +0000
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theteacherjames
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@Shaunwilden It seems that this is an opinion that is formed in the heart of a US ESL setting. It makes sense there. But in EFL, no #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:48:27 +0000
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Marisa_C
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I think re No 4 we do it anyway - Prefer: 'Learn more about general education principles" which ELT is not really good at #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:48:36 +0000
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textivate
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RT @JonnyLewington: @jo_sayers 'TTT' is over-demonised by the CELTA if you ask me. Teachers are useful resources (or should be!) #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:48:39 +0000
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shaznosel
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Sorry but this one went to far..I'm supposed to be able to teach Physics in English..no way hose! #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:48:47 +0000
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jimscriv
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At a recent secondary school I begged to be allowed to teach Physics (or something). But I was the "English teacher". #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:48:56 +0000
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textivate
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RT @theteacherjames: @Shaunwilden It seems that this is an opinion that is formed in the heart of a US ESL setting. It makes sense there. But in EFL, no #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:49:33 +0000
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Marisa_C
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@jo_sayers I read you yes - but pace not same as 'more' #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:50:08 +0000
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theteacherjames
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I'm not against CLIL, but I can't even realistically expect to learn all the different kinds of business English I can teach! #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:50:17 +0000
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haniehak
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@Marisa_C and how does this one help to be a good teacher? #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:50:26 +0000
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LizziePinard
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RT @Marisa_C: @jo_sayers I read you yes - but pace not same as 'more' #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:50:27 +0000
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JonnyLewington
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#No I don't get it either. Surely the demand is unrealistic. I work in a language school - we only teach English! #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:50:30 +0000
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joannacre
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@shaznosel yes but what about ur EAP sts shaz u know how much ive learnt about gen engineering?:P#eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:50:41 +0000
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jimscriv
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Schools overvalue content knowledge. In fact, most English teachers could teach most subjects (given one week's start on the sts)! #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:50:59 +0000
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deannamascle
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Feedback loops: Profoundly effective tool for changing behavior http://t.co/8EItwLbtsj #ELTchat #Edu
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:51:06 +0000
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LizziePinard
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RT @jimscriv: "In fact, most English teachers could teach most subjects (given one week's start on the sts)!" #eltchat you reckon?
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:51:39 +0000
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haniehak
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@JonnyLewington the first thing that comes to my mind is ESP? #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:51:41 +0000
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jo_sayers
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#eltchat business seems to be the only subject area most EFL teachers delve into as a designated topic area
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:51:43 +0000
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Marisa_C
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@haniehak Not clear to me from the talk but assume in order to observe learning #eltchat ? not certain
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:51:55 +0000
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jimscriv
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CLIL is not a realistic proposition for private ELT schools. But in secondary ed. CLIL makes a heap of sense. #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:52:10 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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@jimscriv Do you really think so? #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:52:11 +0000
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theteacherjames
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@haniehak @Marisa_C I think he was saying that in the future we will need to be like this because of the market. I don't agree. #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:52:11 +0000
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pjgallantry
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#ELTchat being able to teach English in a subject- based context is, I think, going to be a vital future skill, but needs dedicated sts!
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:52:18 +0000
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PTPIPaige
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@shaznosel I agree. This is a confusing point. Seems to be there just to get a conversation going! #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:52:24 +0000
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textivate
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RT @jimscriv: CLIL is not a realistic proposition for private ELT schools. But in secondary ed. CLIL makes a heap of sense. #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:52:24 +0000
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JonnyLewington
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@theteacherjames Last time I tried CLIL with 8 y/os, they already knew more about the subject than me! Teach what you know only! #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:52:38 +0000
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SophiaMav
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RT @jimscriv: CLIL is not a realistic proposition for private ELT schools. But in secondary ed. CLIL makes a heap of sense. #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:52:45 +0000
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LizziePinard
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RT @jimscriv: CLIL is not a realistic proposition for private ELT schools. But in secondary ed. CLIL makes a heap of sense. #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:52:55 +0000
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shaznosel
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@jimscriv Did you know the terminology in English?? My son is Greek/English bi lingual but a GCSE is beyond me! #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:53:01 +0000
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Marisa_C
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But i do think we teach other stuff even if we don't notice it - like 'how to use voicethread" or some other tool #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:53:13 +0000
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theteacherjames
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@jo_sayers And once you start you realise that business is a complex area with many many variables. #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:53:17 +0000
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proudlove_tefl
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RT @jimscriv: Schools overvalue content knowledge. In fact, most English teachers could teach most subjects (given one week's start on the sts)! #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:53:31 +0000
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theteacherjames
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@JonnyLewington Good advice! #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:53:39 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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gosh we're rapidly running out of time #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:54:04 +0000
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jimscriv
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Perhaps over optimistic? I've always assumed that a T with basic methodology should be able to teach any factual content #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:54:14 +0000
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muranava
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maybe instead of content knowledge talk about general knowledge? tchers required enter pubquizzes :) #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:54:30 +0000
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haniehak
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@Shaunwilden haha ok what's the next one? #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:55:04 +0000
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theteacherjames
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@Marisa_C An advantage we have is that we can teach subject, but we can't be considered specialists in anything but language. #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:55:14 +0000
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LizziePinard
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@jimscriv #eltchat need enough depth of knowledge or a very good short term memory (for cramming before each lesson!)
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:55:28 +0000
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jo_sayers
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RT @muranava: maybe instead of content knowledge talk about general knowledge? tchers required enter pubquizzes :) #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:55:32 +0000
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pjgallantry
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#ELTchat I've always felt that an experienced TEFLer is better prepared to teach a different/integrated subject than vice versa
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:55:52 +0000
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Marisa_C
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No 5/ Facilitating oneself with new learning and teaching modes. #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:55:56 +0000
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jimscriv
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I know nearly zilch about, say, Economics - but give me the txtbk and a week to prepare I could teach the class. Not so hard? #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:55:59 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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@jimscriv i think it would depend on which part of the curriculum but it does sound a bit optimitic #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:56:03 +0000
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shaznosel
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@jimscriv Not if you do not know the terminology of the topic...higher level sciences need specific knowledge! #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:56:23 +0000
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Marisa_C
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@jimscriv I have taught binary math to a st who could not get it #eltchat :-D
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:56:26 +0000
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LizziePinard
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@jimscriv #eltchat for me would depend on the subject - maths/physics etc no way, humanities etc yeah ok
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:56:43 +0000
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jo_sayers
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@LizziePinard @jimscriv yes, and Ss can see a bluff a mile off - unless you're v skilled with it!! #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:56:49 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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RT @Marisa_C: No 5/ Facilitating oneself with new learning and teaching modes. #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:56:49 +0000
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textivate
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What do we mean by new learning and teaching modes? #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:56:51 +0000
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theteacherjames
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@Marisa_C No controversy here surely, we come to #eltchat to learn this!
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:56:51 +0000
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Marisa_C
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RT @textivate: What do we mean by new learning and teaching modes? #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:57:10 +0000
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pjgallantry
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#ELTchat by 'facilitating' do we mean keeping abreast of and up to date with new stuff? :D
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:57:14 +0000
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jimscriv
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@LizziePinard But think what we know from ELT. Methodology is the key. It's not about the teacher knowing lots. and lecturing. #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:57:21 +0000
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shaznosel
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@Shaunwilden We can teach the phrases/grammar needed for such topics but the terms are ESP!!! #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:58:00 +0000
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LizziePinard
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@jimscriv #eltchat yep methodology is key but methodology isn't enough to get me through a physics or maths or chemistry lesson! <shudder>
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:58:18 +0000
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haniehak
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@jimscriv and what would you do for the questions that may come up and you have no idea what they are? what abt sts' trust? #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:58:26 +0000
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LizziePinard
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@jimscriv #eltchat at primary school maths and science then yes fine but not higher level stuff
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:58:44 +0000
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muranava
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Jun Liu seems to like the word "Digital" #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:58:56 +0000
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pjgallantry
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#ELTchat afraid I have to say goodnight- v good topic with a lot more mileage in it!
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:59:39 +0000
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joannacre
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@jimscriv would u be able to answer questions tho?#eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:59:53 +0000
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jimscriv
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@LizziePinard You know, I bet you could! I've observed so many v.poor sec. subject lessons. LT methodology would be revelation #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:00:14 +0000
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Marisa_C
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RT @jimscriv: I've observed so many v.poor sec. subject lessons. LT methodology would be revelation #eltchat > fully agree
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:00:44 +0000
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JonnyLewington
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@jimscriv I'd want to be able to answer questions and clarify misunderstood concepts, which requires me understanding the content #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:00:45 +0000
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shaznosel
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@haniehak True..ss trust you and assume you know the subject..one thing ESL and another focusing on a specialized topic.. #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:00:45 +0000
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AnaCristinaPrts
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RT @jimscriv: Recently I've become more worried about "Don't teach" message of much contemp. training. We NEED to teach. But "just enough" #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:00:48 +0000
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jo_sayers
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@pjgallantry yep, I'm off too. Thanks all. #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:00:48 +0000
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jimscriv
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@joannacre In ELT we view qs as potential for student learning. Why not more in subjects too? #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:01:00 +0000
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haniehak
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@jimscriv @LizziePinard I've taught medical terminology, in my experience I ended up teaching what I knew not what my sts needed! #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:01:02 +0000
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LizziePinard
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RT @jimscriv: @joannacre "In ELT we view qs as potential for student learning. Why not more in subjects too?"#eltchat isn't it so in subjs?
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:01:49 +0000
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haniehak
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@pjgallantry have a nice night Paul :)! @eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:01:58 +0000
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Marisa_C
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We are running out of time really badly now what abt 6/ Ensure learning outside the classroom.? #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:02:02 +0000
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JonnyLewington
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"Ensure learning outside the classroom" - impossible. You can, at best, encourage. #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:02:29 +0000
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jimscriv
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@textivate OK ! :) (Jim shuts up!) #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:02:37 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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Well the hours has passed so thoughts on the last one (quickly) #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:02:38 +0000
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textivate
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@Marisa_C Teach your lessons in the corridor? :) #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:03:03 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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@jimscriv i think we will go away and ponder if we can do it #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:03:11 +0000
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Marisa_C
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@textivate got it the first time thanks for drilling :-D #Eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:03:28 +0000
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SophiaMav
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RT @Marisa_C: We are running out of time now what abt 6/ Ensure learning outside the classroom.? Totally agree with this one #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:03:28 +0000
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shaznosel
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Bedtime and we've only just begun!Learning outside the cla'room.upto the ss! #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:03:32 +0000
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jimscriv
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Phone them late at night at home. Repeatedly. Talk at length in English. #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:04:00 +0000
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LizziePinard
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#eltchat learning outside classroom can facilitate and encourage but not ensure i'd say
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:04:02 +0000
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Marisa_C
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Isn't this last one encouraging autonomy? #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:04:37 +0000
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SophiaMav
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@Shaunwilden Actual learning happens outside the classroom, so I'd say we should encourage it. #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:04:51 +0000
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LizziePinard
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RT @Marisa_C: Isn't this last one encouraging autonomy? #eltchat >I assumed so!
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:04:54 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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RT @SophiaMav: @Shaunwilden Actual learning happens outside the classroom, so I'd say we should encourage it. #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:04:58 +0000
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NickCoxinPurley
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RT @jimscriv: @joannacre In ELT we view qs as potential for student learning. Why not more in subjects too? #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:05:00 +0000
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JonnyLewington
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@jimscriv Child protection might have something to say about this #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:05:02 +0000
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haniehak
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@JonnyLewington not really impossible, the easiest way is setting an assignment, project, etc? #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:05:12 +0000
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textivate
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RT @Marisa_C: Isn't this last one encouraging autonomy? #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:05:19 +0000
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shaznosel
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@SophiaMav Agree but in s hands.. #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:05:23 +0000
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textivate
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RT @SophiaMav: @Shaunwilden Actual learning happens outside the classroom, so I'd say we should encourage it. #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:05:25 +0000
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PTPIPaige
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@jimscriv haha That's a great way to end up on the phone with the authorities. #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:05:27 +0000
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Shaunwilden
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In keeping with the new #ELTchat we'll put next week's topic on the blog at the weekend
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:05:43 +0000
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Marisa_C
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RT @haniehak: @JonnyLewington not really impossible, the easiest way is setting an assignment, project, etc? #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:06:19 +0000
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jimscriv
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Trad way: set homework. More modern way: Involve in projects, tasks. Provide podcasts etc #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:06:23 +0000
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LizziePinard
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RT @Shaunwilden: #ELTchat we'll put next week's topic on the blog at the weekend >look forward to knowing what it is! :-)
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:06:29 +0000
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JonnyLewington
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@haniehak That's encouragement. You can't force them to actually do it, not in a private language school, anyway. #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:06:43 +0000
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shaznosel
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@Shaunwilden Night all xx #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:06:50 +0000
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LizziePinard
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RT @jimscriv: Trad way: set homework. More modern way: Involve in projects, tasks. Provide podcasts etc #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:06:50 +0000
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jimscriv
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@Shaunwilden I think the new way for #eltchat is a good experiment.
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:07:10 +0000
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tsiou82
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RT @MarjorieRosenbe: In teacher training always reminded ts to search around in their tool boxes as ideas fall to bottom and don't get used. #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:07:32 +0000
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SophiaMav
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Thanks for a great chat everyone! Many thanks to moderators and fellow chatters. See u next week :) #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:07:35 +0000
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theteacherjames
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RT @jimscriv: @Shaunwilden I think the new way for #eltchat is a good experiment.
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:07:45 +0000
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jimscriv
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Good night everyone. That was interesting! #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:07:47 +0000
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LizziePinard
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#eltchat thanks for a great chat all! :)
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:07:55 +0000
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Marisa_C
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RT @jimscriv: @Shaunwilden I think the new way for #eltchat is a good experiment. > thx Jim we hope it's going to work better
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:07:58 +0000
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sandymillin
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RT @jimscriv: Perhaps over optimistic? I've always assumed that a T with basic methodology should be able to teach any factual content #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:08:10 +0000
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haniehak
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@JonnyLewington I won't force them of course, but maybe I'd try to motivate them #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:08:45 +0000
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ShetlandESOL
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Making a film with EAL teens: a promising first session! http://t.co/xBti1yCRmb #eltchat #esolfilmfest #elt #esol
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:08:49 +0000
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Marisa_C
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We have one summary writer for 1st #ELTchat today and a second one willing to collaborate and produce ONE summary of today's discussions
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:08:51 +0000
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joannacre
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Nite :) Nice chat tonight#eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:09:24 +0000
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textivate
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What I've learnt from #eltchat ? That I'm rubbish at remembering to include the hashtag in my replies... :)
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:09:57 +0000
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vickyloras
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RT @SophiaMav: @Shaunwilden Actual learning happens outside the classroom, so I'd say we should encourage it. #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:10:15 +0000
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theteacherjames
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RT @Marisa_C: We have one summary writer for 1st #ELTchat today and a second one willing to collaborate and produce ONE summary of today's discussions
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:10:18 +0000
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muranava
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thx all :) #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:10:21 +0000
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textivate
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(Have now configured tweetdeck to do it for me automatically...) #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:10:32 +0000
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Marisa_C
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Thank you all for joining in #ELTchat - transcript should be up soon
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:10:33 +0000
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haniehak
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Thank you guys, you are all awesome! Enjoyed the chat tonight! Lots of food for thought! Will come up with #7 very soon ;) #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:10:41 +0000
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Marisa_C
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@haniehak may be we should make our own list some time soon #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:11:13 +0000
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haniehak
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#7 Smile while you are teaching :)! #eltchat Good night everyone!
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:13:12 +0000
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banatoli
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RT @jimscriv: Recently I've become more worried about "Don't teach" message of much contemp. training. We NEED to teach. But "just enough" #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:13:21 +0000
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Marisa_C
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@PTPIPaige cheers - nicely put #eltchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:13:23 +0000
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PTPIPaige
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@Marisa_C Thanks for having me! Great chat. Good food for thought. Adapt, experiment, less teaching more learning, continued ed... #ELTchat
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Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:15:42 +0000
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