| username |
date |
time |
status |
| kevchanwow |
27/3/2013 |
1:57 P.M. |
In 4 minutes my Tweets are gong to be dedicated to Process Writing and #ELTchat, hope you'll join me |
| Marisa_C |
27/3/2013 |
1:50 P.M. |
An introductory reading on Process Writing http://t.co/3nju7k43R0 #ELTchat |
| AlexandraKouk |
27/3/2013 |
2:00 P.M. |
RT @Shaunwilden: 12pm #eltchat is Process Writing Approach to Writing: Is it better than other approaches to teach writing skills to EFL ... |
| Shaunwilden |
27/3/2013 |
2:00 P.M. |
12pm #eltchat is Process Writing Approach to Writing: Is it better than other approaches to teach writing skills to EFL/ESL sts |
| kevchanwow |
27/3/2013 |
2:01 P.M. |
Just thought I'd plug @teflerinha very insightful blog post on process writing before things took off: http://t.co/tOjMap00nx #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
27/3/2013 |
2:02 P.M. |
Hi everyone and welcome to #ELTchat - we are talking about process writing today |
| adi_rajan |
27/3/2013 |
2:03 P.M. |
Lately I've been thinking about how process writing forces Ss to conform and create output that is often very similar. #eltchat |
| fatinsue |
27/3/2013 |
2:03 P.M. |
@Shaunwilden: #eltchat Process Writing Approach: Is it better than other approaches to teach writing skills to ESL sts att: @ainn_nnia |
| Marisa_C |
27/3/2013 |
2:04 P.M. |
Is there anyone who needs a definition of process writing? #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
27/3/2013 |
2:04 P.M. |
@adi_rajan how so? #eltchat |
| galactadon |
27/3/2013 |
2:05 P.M. |
Yes, a definition would be helpful #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
27/3/2013 |
2:05 P.M. |
@BobK99 come on then :-) #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
27/3/2013 |
2:05 P.M. |
@BobK99 Pleas do :-) #eltchat |
| BobK99 |
27/3/2013 |
2:05 P.M. |
@Marisa_C #ELTchat Everyone seems to know what Process Writing is. Can I play? |
| kevchanwow |
27/3/2013 |
2:06 P.M. |
@adi_rajan If Ss get caught up in group-think, especially if you start w/ brainstorming activity, similar texts is very real danger #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
27/3/2013 |
2:06 P.M. |
RT @Marisa_C: An introductory reading on Process Writing http://t.co/3nju7k43R0 #ELTchat > this is a useful intro to PW |
| Marisa_C |
27/3/2013 |
2:07 P.M. |
@kevchanwow @adi_rajan #ELTchat Are you suggesting that when left to their own devices, Ss cannot produce text independently of the grp? |
| rejudynation |
27/3/2013 |
2:07 P.M. |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @Marisa_C: An introductory reading on Process Writing http://t.co/3nju7k43R0 #ELTchat > this is a useful intro to PW |
| Shaunwilden |
27/3/2013 |
2:07 P.M. |
RT @adi_rajan: Esp in business writing, exercises to structure text often target an ideal response. Not sure if it's a good thing.#eltchat |
| adi_rajan |
27/3/2013 |
2:08 P.M. |
@Shaunwilden Thanks. forgot the tag :) #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
27/3/2013 |
2:09 P.M. |
RT @efl101: @kevchanwow @adi_rajan why is similar texts a problem? #eltchat > my Q too |
| efl101 |
27/3/2013 |
2:09 P.M. |
@kevchanwow @adi_rajan why is similar texts a problem? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
27/3/2013 |
2:10 P.M. |
RT @Marisa_C: Unless teaching creative writing classes cannot see the problem while training Ss #ELTchat i agree |
| Marisa_C |
27/3/2013 |
2:10 P.M. |
Unless teaching creative writing classes cannot see the problem while training Ss #ELTchat |
| adi_rajan |
27/3/2013 |
2:10 P.M. |
@kevchanwow True, brainstorming activities can lead to similar content; structuring exercises can lead to a similar look and feel. #eltchat |
| efl101 |
27/3/2013 |
2:11 P.M. |
@adi_rajan why? #eltchat |
| kevchanwow |
27/3/2013 |
2:11 P.M. |
@Marisa_C @efl101 @adi_rajan within the constraints of the genre, students should still be expressing some serious individuality. #ELTchat |
| adi_rajan |
27/3/2013 |
2:11 P.M. |
Why should the goal of writing be a model text? I'd rather see a diversity of responses. #eltchat |
| BobK99 |
27/3/2013 |
2:11 P.M. |
@Marisa_C #ELTchat Wot - no acronym? :) |
| efl101 |
27/3/2013 |
2:11 P.M. |
@Marisa_C agreed. Business letters etc very similar anyway - is in some ways what makes 'em teachable ;-) #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
27/3/2013 |
2:12 P.M. |
My own view: if PW ALL the writing you do, then Ss aren't going to be doing enough writing to develop anyway #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
27/3/2013 |
2:12 P.M. |
Anyways, I think problem by @adi_rajan is a syllabus problem - not a problem of PW itself #eltchat |
| galactadon |
27/3/2013 |
2:13 P.M. |
I don't see a problem with similarity. Lots of creative writing exercises use imitation of style & form for mastery, not only elt #eltchat |
| adi_rajan |
27/3/2013 |
2:13 P.M. |
@efl101 Else, I could just distribute templates and ask Ss to fill in the blanks. #eltchat |
| kevchanwow |
27/3/2013 |
2:13 P.M. |
@Marisa_C @efl101 @adi_rajan The question isn't are texts similar, but do Ss have an opportunity to truly express what they wish to #ELTchat |
| adi_rajan |
27/3/2013 |
2:14 P.M. |
@Marisa_C That's true #eltchat |
| efl101 |
27/3/2013 |
2:14 P.M. |
@kevchanwow @Marisa_C @adi_rajan agree comms is key, most writing in TL is for purpose so chunks r very useful and PW helps w/that #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
27/3/2013 |
2:14 P.M. |
@kevchanwow for me this is a moot point in a language class; the training ground is not always where u display creativity #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
27/3/2013 |
2:15 P.M. |
I think Ts (or their books) should include mini syllabuses of PW moving to FW for each genre #ELTchat (hence, a mixed approach) |
| kevchanwow |
27/3/2013 |
2:16 P.M. |
@Marisa_C we can happily disagree. The ability to creatively use language and practice language use isn't separable to me #ELTchat |
| efl101 |
27/3/2013 |
2:16 P.M. |
@adi_rajan perhaps need to define genre? Creative = expression, most/rest = communicate message + don't get embarrased by writing #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
27/3/2013 |
2:16 P.M. |
RT @Marisa_C: I think Ts (or their books) should include mini syllabuses of PW moving to FW for each genre #ELTchat (hence, a mixed appr ... |
| MisterMikeLCC |
27/3/2013 |
2:17 P.M. |
Useful PowerPoint on explaining Process Writing - http://t.co/tCP0vZVl02 adapted |
| efl101 |
27/3/2013 |
2:17 P.M. |
#eltchat PW overuse causes exam probs here coz no time to PW in exam! #eltchat |
| joannacre |
27/3/2013 |
2:18 P.M. |
@efl101 @kevchanwow @Marisa_C @adi_rajan it's like building, bit by bit-layering #eltchat |
| efl101 |
27/3/2013 |
2:18 P.M. |
RT @MisterMikeLCC: Useful PowerPoint on explaining Process Writing - http://t.co/tCP0vZVl02 adapted |
| Marisa_C |
27/3/2013 |
2:18 P.M. |
@kevchanwow no problem - can do that too :-) #ELTchat |
| efl101 |
27/3/2013 |
2:19 P.M. |
@Shaunwilden nope I'd argue it's better to change exam system but…. ;-) #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
27/3/2013 |
2:19 P.M. |
@efl101 So you'd argue it's better to teach product instead? #eltchat |
| efl101 |
27/3/2013 |
2:20 P.M. |
@joannacre agree, PW is a process of diminishing intervention when it works best #eltchat |
| kevchanwow |
27/3/2013 |
2:20 P.M. |
But I still like PW. In general, my students don't like to take the time to write well. And PW slows the process down. #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
27/3/2013 |
2:20 P.M. |
@efl101 Haha fair point :-) #eltchat |
| BobK99 |
27/3/2013 |
2:21 P.M. |
@efl101 #eltchat Is that 'chunks' in the Info MappingΒ® (Robert Horn) sense? |
| Shaunwilden |
27/3/2013 |
2:21 P.M. |
RT @galactadon: So how is using PW in the ELT classroom different from in any other creative writing classroom? #eltchat |
| galactadon |
27/3/2013 |
2:21 P.M. |
So how is using PW in the ELT classroom different from in any other creative writing classroom? #eltchat |
| efl101 |
27/3/2013 |
2:22 P.M. |
@BobK99 chunks in the lexical approach Michael Lewis sense. I know not this Robert Horn of whom you speak - worth a read? #eltchat |
| XinJeisan |
27/3/2013 |
2:22 P.M. |
RT @MisterMikeLCC: Useful PowerPoint on explaining Process Writing - http://t.co/tCP0vZVl02 adapted |
| Marisa_C |
27/3/2013 |
2:22 P.M. |
@joannacre #eltchat I would think that just before an exam, a product approach (just do it w/o prep) might be better |
| efl101 |
27/3/2013 |
2:23 P.M. |
@galactadon focus is on lang as much as content depending on level? #eltchat |
| efl101 |
27/3/2013 |
2:25 P.M. |
anyone done PW for twitter / FB / text etc. or mostly formal letters / creative writing? #eltchat |
| adi_rajan |
27/3/2013 |
2:26 P.M. |
@efl101 business documents mostly #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
27/3/2013 |
2:26 P.M. |
RT @muranava: product/process/genre are complementary> http://203.72.145.166/ELT/files/54-2-6.pdf #eltchat |
| cunningcanis |
27/3/2013 |
2:26 P.M. |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @Marisa_C: An introductory reading on Process Writing http://t.co/3nju7k43R0 #ELTchat > this is a useful intro to PW |
| galactadon |
27/3/2013 |
2:26 P.M. |
@efl101 But every creative writing class I've ever been in focuses on language #eltchat |
| BobK99 |
27/3/2013 |
2:26 P.M. |
RT @MisterMikeLCC:... [Ppt] Process Writing - http://t.co/bzNVUUrxMd adapted |
| muranava |
27/3/2013 |
2:26 P.M. |
product/process/genre are complimentary> http://203.72.145.166/ELT/files/54-2-6.pdf #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
27/3/2013 |
2:26 P.M. |
RT @efl101: anyone done PW for twitter / FB / text etc. or mostly formal letters / creative writing? #eltchat |
| adi_rajan |
27/3/2013 |
2:27 P.M. |
@galactadon In what way do they focus on language? #eltchat |
| TheLanguageInst |
27/3/2013 |
2:27 P.M. |
RT @BELTABelgium: If you'd like to write for @BELTAbelgium, let us know. We're looking for contributors: http://t.co/UXZ8ANXtgL #eltchat ... |
| BobK99 |
27/3/2013 |
2:28 P.M. |
@efl101 #eltchat Probably not; probably the same. Horn's focus was not on ELT or teaching, but on conveying technical info. |
| efl101 |
27/3/2013 |
2:28 P.M. |
@galactadon okay, but for L1 creative class balance must be more to content? whereas EFL etc classes need more lang intervention? #eltchat |
| efl101 |
27/3/2013 |
2:29 P.M. |
@BobK99 thanks for info though, any links in case I feel the need? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
27/3/2013 |
2:30 P.M. |
@muranava agree with complementary thought - just PW wholesale doesn't seem like a great idea to me #eltchat |
| AlexandraKouk |
27/3/2013 |
2:30 P.M. |
RT @MisterMikeLCC: Useful PowerPoint on explaining Process Writing - http://t.co/tCP0vZVl02 adapted |
| Shaunwilden |
27/3/2013 |
2:31 P.M. |
RT @efl101: @Marisa_C @muranava do we spend too much time on writing full stop? #eltchat |
| efl101 |
27/3/2013 |
2:31 P.M. |
@Marisa_C @muranava do we spend too much time on writing full stop? #eltchat |
| BobK99 |
27/3/2013 |
2:32 P.M. |
@efl101 #eltchat Try this: http://t.co/kfdc5nvOUB (I think it\s sort of about genre - although he doesn't use the word. |
| Shaunwilden |
27/3/2013 |
2:32 P.M. |
@efl101 Does it not depend on the type of class? #eltchat |
| efl101 |
27/3/2013 |
2:33 P.M. |
@Shaunwilden yes Q pertains to ten classes perhaps, in % terms I feel writing is over done #eltchat #noevidencewhatsoever |
| BobK99 |
27/3/2013 |
2:34 P.M. |
RT @efl101: @Marisa_C @muranava do we spend too much time on writing full stop? #eltchat >Good question. I'd say yes we do, :) |
| Shaunwilden |
27/3/2013 |
2:34 P.M. |
@efl101 Would that be as a result of the school syllabus, cbk, tchr or all three? #eltchat |
| MeghanBeler |
27/3/2013 |
2:34 P.M. |
20 Free Professional Development Opportunities for 2013 http://t.co/oEIBAw6Ybc vΔ±a @shellterrell #elt #eltchat #edchat #disted |
| efl101 |
27/3/2013 |
2:34 P.M. |
@Shaunwilden sorry that should be 'gen classes' #stupidautocorrect #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
27/3/2013 |
2:36 P.M. |
RT @adi_rajan: @efl101 It's possible that the no.of wrtg lessons are disproportionate to how often we write in real life. #eltchat |
| adi_rajan |
27/3/2013 |
2:36 P.M. |
@efl101 It's possible that the no.of wrtg lessons are disproportionate to how often we write in real life, at least for most folks. #eltchat |
| muranava |
27/3/2013 |
2:36 P.M. |
BobK99 RT @efl101: @Marisa_C @muranava do we spend too much time on writing full stop?>many probs in L1 writing so maybe not? #eltchat |
| efl101 |
27/3/2013 |
2:36 P.M. |
@Shaunwilden all three and because is measurable and easier to work on than speaking maybe? #eltchat |
| kevchanwow |
27/3/2013 |
2:37 P.M. |
Not sure we spend too much time on writing, we just don't have Enough time for the kind of feedback that leads to Ss development #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
27/3/2013 |
2:37 P.M. |
@efl101 maybe, what do other #eltchatters think? #eltchat |
| joannacre |
27/3/2013 |
2:38 P.M. |
@muranava @efl101 @Marisa_C good point-sometimes they dont know how to write in their L1 and we expect them to write in their l2?#eltchat |
| efl101 |
27/3/2013 |
2:38 P.M. |
@kevchanwow need more lessons definitely!! ;-) #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
27/3/2013 |
2:38 P.M. |
@kevchanwow In general or feedback on writing? #eltchat |
| michaelegriffin |
27/3/2013 |
2:38 P.M. |
#ELTchat My off the cuff opinion is that here in Korea theres not enough writing (for any purposes other than consolidating grammar points) |
| efl101 |
27/3/2013 |
2:38 P.M. |
@adi_rajan inclined to agree but personally it is also area I am least comfortable with when using L2 myself. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
27/3/2013 |
2:39 P.M. |
RT @kevchanwow: That's one of the nice aspects of PW, gives you built in time to get into what More a Ss can do. #ELTchat |
| kevchanwow |
27/3/2013 |
2:39 P.M. |
@Shaunwilden feedback on writing. That's one of the nice aspects of PW, gives you built in time to get into what More a Ss can do. #ELTchat |
| michaelegriffin |
27/3/2013 |
2:39 P.M. |
@Marisa_C @adi_rajan @efl101 #Eltchat especially when we consider the types of writing we are most likely to do in real life |
| adi_rajan |
27/3/2013 |
2:40 P.M. |
@michaelegriffin @Marisa_C @efl101 tweets & texts as opposed to the elaborate stuff that comes out of writing classes. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
27/3/2013 |
2:40 P.M. |
RT @Marisa_C: How do you handle feedback during PW? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
27/3/2013 |
2:40 P.M. |
How do you handle feedback during PW? #eltchat |
| aipunkt |
27/3/2013 |
2:40 P.M. |
#eltchat strange old tool nowadays, but still cool and motivating for PW http://t.co/C0A06YTeun |
| Marisa_C |
27/3/2013 |
2:41 P.M. |
@efl101 lol - and I hope 'tactfully' too :-) #eltchat |
| michaelegriffin |
27/3/2013 |
2:41 P.M. |
@kevchanwow I dunno, you tell me. Tweets, emails, notes, lists, blogs? :) #eltchat |
| efl101 |
27/3/2013 |
2:41 P.M. |
RT @adi_rajan: tweets & texts as opposed to the elaborate stuff that comes out of writing classes. #eltchat - would be good! |
| BobK99 |
27/3/2013 |
2:41 P.M. |
RT @efl101: @kevchanwow need more lessons definitely!! ;-) #eltchat Wg & exams tend to go together. Of all the skills, W easiest to assess |
| Marisa_C |
27/3/2013 |
2:41 P.M. |
Do you wait till Ss 'get done' " #eltchat |
| efl101 |
27/3/2013 |
2:41 P.M. |
RT @Marisa_C: How do you handle feedback during PW? #eltchat - carefully! ;-) |
| Shaunwilden |
27/3/2013 |
2:41 P.M. |
RT @bnleez: Perhaps (global) cooperative/collaborative writing that integrates other language skills is the"answer"? #eltchat |
| bnleez |
27/3/2013 |
2:41 P.M. |
Perhaps (global) cooperative/collaborative writing that integrates other language skills is the"answer"? #eltchat |
| english_book_rs |
27/3/2013 |
2:41 P.M. |
RT @aipunkt: #eltchat strange old tool nowadays, but still cool and motivating for PW http://t.co/C0A06YTeun |
| Marisa_C |
27/3/2013 |
2:42 P.M. |
RT @adi_rajan: @Marisa_C Peer feedback if there's time. #eltchat > do you use criteria and acquaint Ss how to use them? |
| Shaunwilden |
27/3/2013 |
2:42 P.M. |
@bnleez Yes one of the advantages of tech use like google docs, wiki etc is focus on PW #eltchat |
| bnleez |
27/3/2013 |
2:42 P.M. |
Let learners correct what they can first (self/peer assessment), then teacher intervenes. (dictogloss) #eltchat #academicwriting |
| adi_rajan |
27/3/2013 |
2:42 P.M. |
@Marisa_C Peer feedback if there's time. #eltchat |
| adi_rajan |
27/3/2013 |
2:43 P.M. |
I regularly find myself running out of time in PW lessons. Is anyone else afflicted with this condition? #eltchat |
| efl101 |
27/3/2013 |
2:43 P.M. |
@Marisa_C feedback = probe underlined & attempt self correct, then redo then content analysis and disc. takes a lot of time though #eltchat |
| BobK99 |
27/3/2013 |
2:44 P.M. |
@adi_rajan #eltchat Think of a number, then double it. :) |
| Marisa_C |
27/3/2013 |
2:44 P.M. |
RT @EBEFL: Is it true 'process' writing classes banned from DELTA mod2? #eltchat > of course not!!!! what a thought! |
| adi_rajan |
27/3/2013 |
2:44 P.M. |
@Marisa_C I like to use a simple inventory of things to look for as they review the other student's work. #eltchat |
| bnleez |
27/3/2013 |
2:44 P.M. |
We should make time for self/peer assessment in promoting writing skills, IMHO. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
27/3/2013 |
2:44 P.M. |
@efl101 does take time - though an alternative is to use PW time for T prompted (discreet) hints rather than correction #eltchat |
| EBEFL |
27/3/2013 |
2:44 P.M. |
Is it true 'process' writing classes banned from DELTA mod2? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
27/3/2013 |
2:44 P.M. |
@efl101 Do the sts go for the self-correcting? #eltchat |
| efl101 |
27/3/2013 |
2:45 P.M. |
@Shaunwilden most of my sts = military/police/civil servants etc so do as they're bloody told ;-) but yes mostly they see point #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
27/3/2013 |
2:46 P.M. |
@EBEFL I think many deltas avoid PW bcz it needs to be microplanned to a very fine detail - T in danger of seeming inactive #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
27/3/2013 |
2:46 P.M. |
RT @bnleez: T prompts is a form of corrected feedback...we should mix up the corrected feedback so not to discourage the L2 writer. #eltchat |
| bnleez |
27/3/2013 |
2:46 P.M. |
T prompts is a form of corrected feedback...we should mix up the corrected feedback so not to discourage the L2 writer. #eltchat |
| jaluribe |
27/3/2013 |
2:46 P.M. |
100 ways to have affect in your class: https://t.co/RkVjmV52bt … #elt #eltchat #ellchat... |
| efl101 |
27/3/2013 |
2:47 P.M. |
@bnleez often find though concrete feedback and correction is motivating with writing esp. if sts can re-do #eltchat |
| bnleez |
27/3/2013 |
2:47 P.M. |
RT @Shaunwilden: @bnleez Yes one of the advantages of tech use like google docs, wiki etc is focus on PW #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
27/3/2013 |
2:48 P.M. |
@Marisa_C @EBEFL Interesting you think they avoid it though I can see your reasoning why #eltchat |
| bnleez |
27/3/2013 |
2:48 P.M. |
L2 writers must FEEL like authentic writers...big emotional component at play. #eltchat |
| BobK99 |
27/3/2013 |
2:48 P.M. |
MT @Marisa_C: @EBEFL ...T in danger of seeming inactive #eltchat > Best sort! |
| efl101 |
27/3/2013 |
2:48 P.M. |
key is writing for purpose, i.e. translatable into real world exp. I think #eltchat |
| michaelegriffin |
27/3/2013 |
2:48 P.M. |
RT @alanmtait @michaelegriffin Hi all. Not enought writing here in Spain either. #ELTchat |
| kevchanwow |
27/3/2013 |
2:49 P.M. |
Even w/ intense training Ss identify less than 50% of own mistakes (#SomeStudySomewhere). Feedback for growth, not error correction #ELTchat |
| bnleez |
27/3/2013 |
2:49 P.M. |
@efl101 I agree. "Redoing" is a big part of the process of writing. It takes time, but worth it. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
27/3/2013 |
2:49 P.M. |
@Shaunwilden ours don't but have heard this from trainees of other centres :-D #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
27/3/2013 |
2:50 P.M. |
@Marisa_C Haha In my old centre it was a popular D2 lesson #eltchat |
| bnleez |
27/3/2013 |
2:50 P.M. |
Yes, L2 writers with a purpose and authentic audience...something that leads to greater good. #eltchat |
| efl101 |
27/3/2013 |
2:50 P.M. |
PW together with TBL i.e. real tweets, updates, forum comments etc.? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
27/3/2013 |
2:50 P.M. |
@BobK99 well if you have planned for 20 mins of continuous writing and just sit and monitor..... #eltchat |
| bnleez |
27/3/2013 |
2:51 P.M. |
A lot of my corrected feedback is indirect, which creates a lot of "teachable moments". #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
27/3/2013 |
2:51 P.M. |
I think the potential of integrating writing with other skills work makes it interesting #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
27/3/2013 |
2:51 P.M. |
@MarjorieRosenbe gosh thats being well-prepared :-) #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
27/3/2013 |
2:51 P.M. |
Missed the chat getting ready for IATEFL - sorry - will take a look at what has been said. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
27/3/2013 |
2:51 P.M. |
@Shaunwilden popular for mine too #eltchat |
| bnleez |
27/3/2013 |
2:52 P.M. |
I've done research using dictoglosses on integrating L2 writing with other language skills...lots of potential! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
27/3/2013 |
2:52 P.M. |
Do you use any screencasting tools for process feedback - i.e. before rewrite? #eltchat |
| adi_rajan |
27/3/2013 |
2:52 P.M. |
@bnleez Leveraging social media for "redoing" could be useful. Get Ss to blog their writing, get peer & teacher fdback, repost #eltchat |
| alanmtait |
27/3/2013 |
2:52 P.M. |
RT @bnleez: L2 writers must FEEL like authentic writers...big emotional component at play. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
27/3/2013 |
2:53 P.M. |
@BobK99 I think 'inactive; suggests a poorly planned lesson for that context #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
27/3/2013 |
2:53 P.M. |
@Marisa_C I do to give feedback on my online courses with teachers but thats not about PW #eltchat |
| kevchanwow |
27/3/2013 |
2:53 P.M. |
RT @EBEFL: Is it true 'process' writing classes banned from DELTA mod2? #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
27/3/2013 |
2:54 P.M. |
@Marisa_C Very helpful explanation - can't manage to do it all though with the time constraints. #eltchat |
| adi_rajan |
27/3/2013 |
2:54 P.M. |
@Marisa_C Have used online writing evaluation tools like Criterion but they haven't really worked for me #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
27/3/2013 |
2:54 P.M. |
Colour coding also may be an idea - anyone used it? Apart from the well known error correction codes #ELTchat ? |
| Shaunwilden |
27/3/2013 |
2:55 P.M. |
@adi_rajan @Marisa_C I dont know criterion , i simply record myself talking about a piece of work then send them the recording #eltchat |
| adi_rajan |
27/3/2013 |
2:55 P.M. |
@Marisa_C each type of error is marked with a different colored pen? is that how it works? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
27/3/2013 |
2:55 P.M. |
Here is a fun error correction code - always makes me laugh http://t.co/6eAkouxM7L #ELTchat |
| efl101 |
27/3/2013 |
2:55 P.M. |
@Marisa_C colourcoding or any coding is useful I think #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
27/3/2013 |
2:55 P.M. |
@efl101 I mostly teach writing for CAE classes - used to do BEC as well - lots of structure which helped. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
27/3/2013 |
2:56 P.M. |
RT @Shaunwilden: @adi_rajan @Marisa_C I dont know criterion , record myself talking about a piece of work - send recording #eltchat |
| BobK99 |
27/3/2013 |
2:56 P.M. |
@Marisa_C #eltchat Danger is the 'Look-at-me-I'm-being-a-teacher' stuff that you must see in many observations |
| Marisa_C |
27/3/2013 |
2:57 P.M. |
Some Ss tho prefer the T to correct - sb asked that question earlier #Eltchat how do u deal with this? |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
27/3/2013 |
2:57 P.M. |
@bnleez What does 'an authentic' writer feel like? Not sure I could define that. #eltchat |
| efl101 |
27/3/2013 |
2:57 P.M. |
RT @Marisa_C: Here is a fun error correction code - always makes me laugh http://t.co/jEMbe1ywBz #ELTchat - excellent! |
| adi_rajan |
27/3/2013 |
2:57 P.M. |
@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C That's an interesting alternative to providing written feedback. Thanks for the suggestion #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
27/3/2013 |
2:57 P.M. |
RT @Marisa_C: Here is a fun error correction code - always makes me laugh http://t.co/ak0gZwIvae #ELTchat very amusing :-) |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
27/3/2013 |
2:57 P.M. |
@bnleez But I act as referee when they are unsure. #eltchat And we discuss it questions in open class. |
| efl101 |
27/3/2013 |
2:57 P.M. |
@MarjorieRosenbe yup, think most writing is structured, genuine 'stream of consciousness' writing best left to Joyce et al.! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
27/3/2013 |
2:58 P.M. |
@adi_rajan @russell1955 has an excellent screencast on how this works #eltchat |
| DanielaArghir |
27/3/2013 |
2:58 P.M. |
RT @Marisa_C: Here is a fun error correction code - always makes me laugh http://t.co/6eAkouxM7L #ELTchat |
| efl101 |
27/3/2013 |
2:59 P.M. |
RT @Marisa_C: @adi_rajan @russell1955 has an excellent screencast on how this works #eltchat - link? |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
27/3/2013 |
2:59 P.M. |
@Marisa_C I use Cambridge scales as in the exams so they know exactly which areas they need to work on. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
27/3/2013 |
2:59 P.M. |
RT @Marisa_C: @adi_rajan @russell1955 has an excellent screencast on how this works #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
27/3/2013 |
3:00 P.M. |
@Marisa_C @efl101 #eltchat this is his research page about it http://t.co/kzBRDkGmPr |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
27/3/2013 |
3:00 P.M. |
@efl101 Certainly makes it easier to teach and sts understand. And for business correspondence it is vital. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
27/3/2013 |
3:00 P.M. |
@efl101 looking #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
27/3/2013 |
3:01 P.M. |
We'll be needing a summary writer if anyone fancies practicing their PW skills #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
27/3/2013 |
3:01 P.M. |
RT @Shaunwilden: RT @Marisa_C: Here is a fun error correction code - always makes me laugh http://t.co/ak0gZwIvae #ELTchat very amusing :-) |
| efl101 |
27/3/2013 |
3:01 P.M. |
@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C thanks! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
27/3/2013 |
3:01 P.M. |
RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C @efl101 #eltchat this is his research page about it http://t.co/kzBRDkGmPr |
| Marisa_C |
27/3/2013 |
3:02 P.M. |
@Shaunwilden If TWO ppl collaborate, they can experience PW in ACTION!!!! #eltchat |
| BobK99 |
27/3/2013 |
3:02 P.M. |
@Marisa_C @Shaunwilden #eltchat THAT the time? See you folks, and thanks :) |
| adi_rajan |
27/3/2013 |
3:02 P.M. |
@Marisa_C they feel cheated if they don't get fdbk I talk bout the benefits of self correctn & p2p fdbk They'renot always convinced #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
27/3/2013 |
3:02 P.M. |
RT @Marisa_C: OK good #ELTchat folk - hope you found the chat interesting and useful - thank u for joining and now looking for a summar ... |
| Marisa_C |
27/3/2013 |
3:02 P.M. |
RT @Shaunwilden: We'll be needing a summary writer if anyone fancies practicing their PW skills #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
27/3/2013 |
3:02 P.M. |
OK good #ELTchat folk - hope you found the chat interesting and useful - thank u for joining and now looking for a summary writer!!!! |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
27/3/2013 |
3:03 P.M. |
anyone who is going to IATEFL want to meet f2f in the pm coffee break on Tuesday? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
27/3/2013 |
3:03 P.M. |
@adi_rajan I know - u need a good sales pitch with your learners - always helps #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
27/3/2013 |
3:03 P.M. |
Tonights #eltchat is Making the most of the linguistic landscape – how to exploit the English on hoardings, T-Shirts, menus etc |
| efl101 |
27/3/2013 |
3:03 P.M. |
many thanks @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C for great #eltchat ! |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
27/3/2013 |
3:03 P.M. |
What's tonight's topic? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
27/3/2013 |
3:04 P.M. |
@efl101@adi_rajan #eltchat@kevchanwow #eltchat@adi_rajan #ELTChat@MarjorieRosenbe thanks for joining :-) Summary? |
| adi_rajan |
27/3/2013 |
3:04 P.M. |
Thank you everyone. I wish I'd found you folks earlier :) lots of learning at #eltchat |
| DmJapan |
27/3/2013 |
3:04 P.M. |
RT @Shaunwilden: Tonights #eltchat is Making the most of the linguistic landscape – how to exploit the English on hoardings, T-Shirts, m ... |
| kevchanwow |
27/3/2013 |
3:04 P.M. |
Thanks all for a very very enjoyable #ELTChat. Glad to have been a part of it. |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
27/3/2013 |
3:04 P.M. |
@Shaunwilden Thanks. does that include all the mistakes on these things? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
27/3/2013 |
3:04 P.M. |
@MarjorieRosenbe @Shaunwilden and I giving our talk on Tuesday !!!!! time? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
27/3/2013 |
3:05 P.M. |
@adi_rajan we're not going away #eltchat |
| muranava |
27/3/2013 |
3:05 P.M. |
thanks all :) #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
27/3/2013 |
3:05 P.M. |
RT @adi_rajan: Thank you everyone. I wish I'd found you folks earlier :) lots of learning at #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
27/3/2013 |
3:06 P.M. |
@muranava thx for joining :-) @bnleez #eltchat@EBEFL #eltchat@michaelegriffin #eltchat@joannacre #eltchat #eltchat |
| DanielaArghir |
27/3/2013 |
3:07 P.M. |
@Shaunwilden: "Making the most of the linguistic landscape – how to exploit the English on hoardings, T-Shirts, menus etc" 9pm GMT #eltchat |
| alanmtait |
27/3/2013 |
3:08 P.M. |
First time in about 3 years I actually made it to an #eltchat Hooray!! |
| Marisa_C |
27/3/2013 |
3:09 P.M. |
@alanmtait welcome to #eltchat but you just missed the first one ! :-( Join us this evening at 21.00 p.m. GMT |
| Marisa_C |
27/3/2013 |
3:09 P.M. |
If anyone would like to write the summary please contact me or @Shaunwilden #eltchat |
| alanmtait |
27/3/2013 |
3:11 P.M. |
@Marisa_C I caught the last 15 minutes :) #eltchat |
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