| username |
date |
time |
status |
| SueAnnan |
3/20/2013 |
10:50 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: Tonight's #eltchat at 21GMT Research in the class – doing it and using it for improving your teaching - see u in 10mins |
| Shaunwilden |
3/20/2013 |
11:00 PM |
@SueAnnan Evening Sue #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
3/20/2013 |
11:01 PM |
Tonight's #eltchat at 21GMT Research in the class – doing it and using it for improving your teaching - evening all |
| SueAnnan |
3/20/2013 |
11:01 PM |
@Shaunwilden Hi Shaun #ELTchat |
| prese1 |
3/20/2013 |
11:02 PM |
Hello #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
3/20/2013 |
11:02 PM |
so, what do you mean by doing research? #ELTchat |
| Florentina__T |
3/20/2013 |
11:02 PM |
@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C Hello! Can I join you tonight? #ELTchat |
| naomishema |
3/20/2013 |
11:03 PM |
Hi #eltchat! |
| Marisa_C |
3/20/2013 |
11:03 PM |
@Florentina__T @SueAnnan #ELTchat@prese1 #ELTchat #eltchat@Shaunwilden Hi all and welcome |
| Shaunwilden |
3/20/2013 |
11:03 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: so, what do you mean by doing research? #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
3/20/2013 |
11:03 PM |
@Florentina__T i dont think you need to ask #eltchat |
| prese1 |
3/20/2013 |
11:04 PM |
@Marisa_C @Florentina__T @SueAnnan Hi :) #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
3/20/2013 |
11:04 PM |
@SueAnnan tiz a good question, for an MA, for an article, as part of imprvong in the CPD etc etc #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
3/20/2013 |
11:04 PM |
@naomishema Hey Naomi good to see u - join us #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
3/20/2013 |
11:04 PM |
@Marisa_C @Florentina__T Hi #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
3/20/2013 |
11:05 PM |
@SueAnnan Student feedback is one of the ways of evaluating classroom practices for sure - other means? #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
3/20/2013 |
11:05 PM |
So what do we mean by research Sue sez #eltchat = what do u think? Large scale statistical research or small scale class investigations |
| SueAnnan |
3/20/2013 |
11:05 PM |
@Shaunwilden Are we talking student Feedback here? #ELTchat |
| Florentina__T |
3/20/2013 |
11:06 PM |
@Shaunwilden :Thank you. Felt as a bit of a gatecrasher once. :-) @Marisa_C #ELTchat |
| naomishema |
3/20/2013 |
11:06 PM |
how about class polls? do they count? #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
3/20/2013 |
11:07 PM |
I suppose you could transcribe bits of lessons to see who is speaking the most too #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
3/20/2013 |
11:07 PM |
@naomishema how do you mean? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
3/20/2013 |
11:08 PM |
@Marisa_C i asked the same thing as did sue so three questions no answer :-) #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
3/20/2013 |
11:08 PM |
No one answered my question - which happens to me quite often - but by research with mean small scale class research or trialling #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
3/20/2013 |
11:09 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: For example every 5'' you tick who talks #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
3/20/2013 |
11:09 PM |
@Marisa_C Yes that's what I was thinking about :-) #ELTchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
3/20/2013 |
11:09 PM |
Will do some lurking tonight. #eltchat Mobile Twitter very slow. |
| Marisa_C |
3/20/2013 |
11:09 PM |
@SueAnnan you could - or you could record it and use a recording sheet to investigate amount and types of interaction #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
3/20/2013 |
11:10 PM |
RT @naomishema: @Marisa_C How can you possible keep track and tick while teaching? teaching alone is multitasking! #eltchat > record it |
| lexicojules |
3/20/2013 |
11:10 PM |
Hi all. What about collecting student writing for analysis? Easier now many submit electronically #ELTchat |
| naomishema |
3/20/2013 |
11:10 PM |
@Marisa_C How can you possible keep track and tick while teaching? teaching alone is multitasking! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
3/20/2013 |
11:10 PM |
@prese1 and evaluating new and old practices #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
3/20/2013 |
11:10 PM |
RT @prese1: @Marisa_C small class investigation...trying out new things with students? #eltchat |
| prese1 |
3/20/2013 |
11:10 PM |
@Marisa_C small class investigation...trying out new things with students? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
3/20/2013 |
11:11 PM |
@lexicojules sure - but suitable if you have been teaching written forms of the language not as evidence of oral work #ELTchat |
| naomishema |
3/20/2013 |
11:11 PM |
@Marisa_C never occured 2 me to record.. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
3/20/2013 |
11:11 PM |
@naomishema or get sb else to do it #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
3/20/2013 |
11:12 PM |
@Florentina__T most teachers will try out things on a small scale yes - Q is do they know how to evaluate #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
3/20/2013 |
11:12 PM |
@lexicojules depends what you're looking for doenst it? :-) #eltchat |
| prese1 |
3/20/2013 |
11:12 PM |
@Marisa_C @naomishema a student? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
3/20/2013 |
11:13 PM |
RT @Florentina__T: @Marisa_C I think they do. Instinctively? #ELTchat > intuition not always a good guide |
| Marisa_C |
3/20/2013 |
11:13 PM |
@prese1 why not @naomishema #eltchat a student |
| Florentina__T |
3/20/2013 |
11:13 PM |
@Marisa_C I think they do. Instinctively? #ELTchat |
| lexicojules |
3/20/2013 |
11:13 PM |
@marisa_c Yes, absolutely #ELTchat |
| Florentina__T |
3/20/2013 |
11:14 PM |
@Marisa_C I did a lot of instinctive research as a classroom teacher, then did 2 res degrees and found I was doing the right thing #ELTchat |
| jobethsteel |
3/20/2013 |
11:14 PM |
#eltchat recording great but need objective and time to reflect |
| Shaunwilden |
3/20/2013 |
11:14 PM |
@Marisa_C @Florentina__T hate to the pessimist but not sure they do #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
3/20/2013 |
11:15 PM |
@Marisa_C though if a 3rd party is not available it shouldn't put the t off doing it #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
3/20/2013 |
11:15 PM |
@Florentina__T So this is now a rule that what was true of you is true of all Ts? #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
3/20/2013 |
11:15 PM |
When doing small scale research we need some sort of third party observation - not just us and the Ss - a colleague is useful #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
3/20/2013 |
11:15 PM |
RT @jobethsteel: #eltchat recording great but need objective and time to reflect yes clear objectives needs to be set first |
| Marisa_C |
3/20/2013 |
11:16 PM |
@naomishema but is this research? #eltchat |
| naomishema |
3/20/2013 |
11:16 PM |
If you have some sort of tracking charts for things, you can C number of SS who achieved things at certain dates in term/ year #eltchat |
| Florentina__T |
3/20/2013 |
11:16 PM |
@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C It's a good start! Everyone can learn, but not everyone is curious and wants to improve. #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
3/20/2013 |
11:16 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C though if a 3rd party is not available it shouldn't put the t off doing it #eltchat > 3rd prty can be a blog post |
| Marisa_C |
3/20/2013 |
11:17 PM |
Research involves defining an objective and trying out something different - new - alternative #eltchat |
| Florentina__T |
3/20/2013 |
11:17 PM |
@Marisa_C I think it can be true of others if they (and we all) trust that they can do it. #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
3/20/2013 |
11:17 PM |
@naomishema I think you are talking about measuring student progress #eltchat |
| prese1 |
3/20/2013 |
11:17 PM |
@Marisa_C how about adult sts? mine usually tell me if they liked something. Only prob is if they don't say anything #eltchat |
| naomishema |
3/20/2013 |
11:18 PM |
@Marisa_C if you say since u introduced new vocabulary station SS improved their vocab by X% that's reasearch result. program good. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
3/20/2013 |
11:18 PM |
@Florentina__T well permit me to disagree - i obsevre teachers daily and don't see such evidence as u claim #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
3/20/2013 |
11:18 PM |
@prese1 that's useful feedback but is them liking sth a good measure of effectiveness? #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
3/20/2013 |
11:18 PM |
We tested learning styles, collected learner diaries and then a colleague interviewed some sts. now need to write it up. #eltchat |
| prese1 |
3/20/2013 |
11:19 PM |
@Shaunwilden true! mayby good with type of activity #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
3/20/2013 |
11:19 PM |
@Marisa_C @Florentina__T Have to agree with Marisa here. I too have been observing and I dont agree that all teachers do it #ELTchat |
| Florentina__T |
3/20/2013 |
11:19 PM |
@Marisa_C Depends how you define evidence. And research. :-) #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
3/20/2013 |
11:19 PM |
@naomishema yes - that works #eltchat |
| Florentina__T |
3/20/2013 |
11:20 PM |
@SueAnnan @Marisa_C Didn't mean to say that all teachers do it. Far from it. I meant all techers can do it. #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
3/20/2013 |
11:20 PM |
@Florentina__T #eltchat Well OK - if that's how you would like to proceed - would you like me to repeat definitions? #ELTchat |
| TheSecretDoS |
3/20/2013 |
11:20 PM |
Research doesn't need to uncover sth new. It doesn't even need to be successful. We need evidence of what works and what doesn't. #eltchat |
| bnleez |
3/20/2013 |
11:21 PM |
Top story: #ELTchat » What would you like to talk about on March 20th? http://t.co/MqTv6T4XZD, see more http://t.co/z6rMc7K7eN |
| Marisa_C |
3/20/2013 |
11:21 PM |
@TheSecretDoS that\s a cool gut reaction and feels great - is it research? #eltchat |
| TheSecretDoS |
3/20/2013 |
11:21 PM |
@Florentina__T @marisa_c whenever you discover that you were right, alarm bells should ring! #eltchat |
| bhrbahar |
3/20/2013 |
11:21 PM |
#eltchat ss motivation can be investigated by considering ss attendance. |
| louisealix68 |
3/20/2013 |
11:22 PM |
sorry - very late, just back from parents evening at school #eltchat will catch up fast..... |
| Florentina__T |
3/20/2013 |
11:22 PM |
@TheSecretDoS @Marisa_C That is also _not_ what I said. :-) #ELTchat |
| TheSecretDoS |
3/20/2013 |
11:22 PM |
#eltchat @bengoldacre is spearheading an admirable crusade for evidence based teaching. Too much of ELT is based on professional judgement |
| Marisa_C |
3/20/2013 |
11:22 PM |
@TheSecretDoS but agree that it doesn't need to be sth new #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
3/20/2013 |
11:22 PM |
@Florentina__T @SueAnnan @Marisa_C they can in the sense of having potential but often need help about how to go about it #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
3/20/2013 |
11:23 PM |
Evidence based teaching is based on the teacher-as-researcher model of reflective teaching - whether small or large scale #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
3/20/2013 |
11:23 PM |
@Shaunwilden @Florentina__T @Marisa_C Indeed:-) #ELTchat |
| TheSecretDoS |
3/20/2013 |
11:23 PM |
@Marisa_C research is methodical, systematic, ethical and transparent. It is also worthwhile! #eltchat |
| TheSecretDoS |
3/20/2013 |
11:24 PM |
Most ELT research is execrably designed. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
3/20/2013 |
11:24 PM |
@Marisa_C that sounds good save your tweet and use it in our talk ;-)#eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
3/20/2013 |
11:24 PM |
@TheSecretDoS @Marisa_C it is if done properly with clear aims, methods etc #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
3/20/2013 |
11:24 PM |
RT @TheSecretDoS: @Marisa_C research is methodical, systematic, ethical and transparent. It is also worthwhile! #eltchat > agree! |
| Marisa_C |
3/20/2013 |
11:25 PM |
@Shaunwilden :-D now doing prep DURING #eltchat ? |
| louisealix68 |
3/20/2013 |
11:25 PM |
@TheSecretDoS goodness, that sounds negative! Have seen some great ELT research #eltchat |
| naomishema |
3/20/2013 |
11:25 PM |
@Marisa_C but does each teacher need 2 reinvent the wheel? #eltchat serious research has been done #eltchat |
| pysproblem81 |
3/20/2013 |
11:26 PM |
RT @bengoldacre: When teachers afraid to question evidence in own field, that's bad. Medicine woz ere. http://t.co/uxBWBpY6hl #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
3/20/2013 |
11:26 PM |
@TheSecretDoS thats quite negative and not sounding like its based on anything empirical #eltchat |
| louisealix68 |
3/20/2013 |
11:26 PM |
@naomishema @Marisa_C hopefully, part of research is reading what is done in past so as not to make same mistake ;-) #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
3/20/2013 |
11:26 PM |
@naomishema depends what you mean by serious research - most research i have looked at not conclusive abt much #eltchat #eltchat |
| pysproblem81 |
3/20/2013 |
11:26 PM |
RT @bengoldacre: teacher afraid 2 question evidence 4 dodgy claims in t-training http://t.co/0aCJessdzb More http://t.co/pkdvC55SxV #eltchat |
| louisealix68 |
3/20/2013 |
11:27 PM |
@TheSecretDoS don't think is a standard 'design'. #eltchat |
| lexicojules |
3/20/2013 |
11:27 PM |
@naomishema Why not replicate existing research in your own context? That'd be interesting - how does this apply to my Ss #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
3/20/2013 |
11:27 PM |
@Shaunwilden I think I just said about the same thing with @thesecretdos - :-D #eltchat |
| TheSecretDoS |
3/20/2013 |
11:27 PM |
@louisealix68 maybe a little over-egged! What makes a good design for you? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
3/20/2013 |
11:28 PM |
@lexicojules Agreed - the problem is that great small scale class research has no way of feeding back to "serious" research #ELTchat |
| louisealix68 |
3/20/2013 |
11:28 PM |
@TheSecretDoS must be thoroughly triangulated and have sufficient support (numbers) in order to draw conclusions #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
3/20/2013 |
11:29 PM |
@Marisa_C @lexicojules how is that a problem? #eltchat |
| naomishema |
3/20/2013 |
11:29 PM |
@lexicojules Interesting yes, but 4 whom? what's incentive when here can barely keep up with the mandatory program? devils advocate #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
3/20/2013 |
11:29 PM |
In our research we were trying to see if there was a connection between LA and learning styles. Research still going on. #eltchat |
| prese1 |
3/20/2013 |
11:29 PM |
@Marisa_C @lexicojules mayby via chats like this one #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
3/20/2013 |
11:30 PM |
@TheSecretDoS but surely on a small scale undertaken by a tchr who is aiming to improve is a good thing? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
3/20/2013 |
11:30 PM |
@lexicojules Absolutely - for me most of the worthwhile research these days works on a small scale #ELTchat |
| naomishema |
3/20/2013 |
11:30 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe school wide research gives more support and division of labor #eltchat |
| prese1 |
3/20/2013 |
11:30 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe LA? #eltchat |
| lexicojules |
3/20/2013 |
11:30 PM |
@marisa_c But isn't it still worthwhile to infrom the local context (teacher, school, etc.) #ELTchat |
| pysproblem81 |
3/20/2013 |
11:30 PM |
#eltchat This is @bengoldacre 's report into evidence & ed - haven't read it yet - but should be part of discussion http://t.co/xfsIWPKiLy |
| TheSecretDoS |
3/20/2013 |
11:30 PM |
@Shaunwilden not empirical. Purely opinion. small scale, inconclusive, little/no random testing, invariably unable to replicate. #eltchat |
| Florentina__T |
3/20/2013 |
11:31 PM |
@louisealix68 @TheSecretDoS Research isn't just numbers though, is it? #ELTchat |
| louisealix68 |
3/20/2013 |
11:31 PM |
@Shaunwilden @TheSecretDoS the attitude is already a good start! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
3/20/2013 |
11:31 PM |
I know about non replication and all that - but none of the big time boys and gals ever said anything definitive - #ELTchat |
| louisealix68 |
3/20/2013 |
11:31 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @TheSecretDoS but surely on a small scale undertaken by a tchr who is aiming to improve is a good thing? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
3/20/2013 |
11:32 PM |
Am afraid our aim is not to define research with a capital R - can we please get back on track - how can a T get started #ELTchat |
| TheSecretDoS |
3/20/2013 |
11:32 PM |
@Florentina__T @louisealix68 no. But not just whimsical opinions tied to a literature review either a, #eltchat |
| louisealix68 |
3/20/2013 |
11:32 PM |
@Florentina__T @TheSecretDoS No, absolutely not. But 2 be taken seriously + make real conclusions to apply elsewhere - it helps #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
3/20/2013 |
11:32 PM |
depends on teaching situatn too #ELTchat my school has sts short time. Each group is diff. Impossible to do any long term research #ELTchat |
| evoks036 |
3/20/2013 |
11:32 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Research involves defining an objective and trying out something different - new - alternative #eltchat |
| evoks036 |
3/20/2013 |
11:32 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @TheSecretDoS: @Marisa_C research is methodical, systematic, ethical and transparent. It is also worthwhile! #eltchat & ... |
| TheSecretDoS |
3/20/2013 |
11:32 PM |
@Shaunwilden define "good"."endearing"? "Admirable"? But not reliable...#eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
3/20/2013 |
11:34 PM |
@Marisa_C you beat to that was typing the same think, lets look at the hows #eltchat |
| louisealix68 |
3/20/2013 |
11:34 PM |
@Marisa_C @evoks036 not even 3rd party observation required 4 small scale. Think of effects of peer feedback on attitude #eltchat |
| Florentina__T |
3/20/2013 |
11:34 PM |
@naomishema @lexicojules For themselves? #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
3/20/2013 |
11:34 PM |
An idea would be to video a lesson #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
3/20/2013 |
11:34 PM |
How can a teacher identify a problem or set out to try out or evaluate a practice or set of practices #ELTchat |
| TheSecretDoS |
3/20/2013 |
11:34 PM |
@Marisa_C teachers need to learn about HOW to research and WHY research first #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
3/20/2013 |
11:35 PM |
@TheSecretDoS its reliable if it fixes an issues, helps them teach better in thst context etc, one could argue that not much #eltchat |
| prese1 |
3/20/2013 |
11:35 PM |
@Marisa_C example? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
3/20/2013 |
11:35 PM |
@TheSecretDoS no it doesn't please reread my tweet #eltchat |
| louisealix68 |
3/20/2013 |
11:35 PM |
@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C 1st identify problem. Only then can think about how to analyse problem #eltchat |
| TheSecretDoS |
3/20/2013 |
11:35 PM |
@Marisa_C don't think research needs to be problem-based. #eltchat |
| TheSecretDoS |
3/20/2013 |
11:36 PM |
@Marisa_C have done. Apologies! I think the first thing to do is to wonder a lot. #eltchat |
| Florentina__T |
3/20/2013 |
11:36 PM |
@TheSecretDoS What abt qualitative res/ grounded theory? How many teachers cn do randomised controlled trials?And why should they? #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
3/20/2013 |
11:36 PM |
@TheSecretDoS is relliable in the classroom as every class can be different and needs different things #eltchat |
| TheSecretDoS |
3/20/2013 |
11:37 PM |
@Shaunwilden no...fixing an issue doesn't equal reliability. Unfortunately we are susceptible to many, many biases....#eltchat |
| louisealix68 |
3/20/2013 |
11:37 PM |
@Marisa_C make habit of evaluating/reflecting on own lessons. Will soon see pattern, spark curiosity, lead on from there....#eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
3/20/2013 |
11:37 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: An idea would be to video a lesson #ELTchat yes and these days its easier to do that though dont gorget to ask the sts |
| Marisa_C |
3/20/2013 |
11:37 PM |
@prese1 iAn example could be to check amount of T talk distribution - just to see which ss we address most #eltchat |
| louisealix68 |
3/20/2013 |
11:38 PM |
@lexicojules and which will prove relevant to your own class! #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
3/20/2013 |
11:38 PM |
@TheSecretDoS i agree with some of what you're saying but if a teacher wants to do it then good for them #eltchat |
| lexicojules |
3/20/2013 |
11:38 PM |
Like any research, you have to choose a topic that interests you - otehrwise you'll lose interest #ELTchat |
| TheSecretDoS |
3/20/2013 |
11:38 PM |
@Shaunwilden how much research uncovers surprising facts to the researcher? Not very much! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
3/20/2013 |
11:38 PM |
@louisealix68 agree with 'make a habit of it' - this is pretty much what we try to encourage in our teacher trainees - #eltchat |
| louisealix68 |
3/20/2013 |
11:39 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe bye #eltchat |
| TheSecretDoS |
3/20/2013 |
11:39 PM |
@Shaunwilden but just wanting to do it is not really good. Wanting to do it PROPERLY is what makes it good! #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
3/20/2013 |
11:39 PM |
still not too many hows coming out of #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
3/20/2013 |
11:39 PM |
Night all. Cant manage with the mobile version. #eltchat |
| naomishema |
3/20/2013 |
11:39 PM |
RT @lexicojules: Like any research, you have to choose a topic that interests you - otehrwise you'll lose interest #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
3/20/2013 |
11:39 PM |
RT @lexicojules: Like any research, you have to choose a topic that interests you - otehrwise you'll lose interest #ELTchat |
| naomishema |
3/20/2013 |
11:40 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @Shaunwilden I think using some observation checklists could be a good starting point #eltchat |
| UpparkHG |
3/20/2013 |
11:40 PM |
RT @kaurgibbons: #eltpics #eltchat #PLANTS Gorgeous red twigs against the green. Can you spot the #purpleflowers ? http://t.co/SQD0qw1obn |
| TheSecretDoS |
3/20/2013 |
11:40 PM |
@Shaunwilden how? Write a lot; read a lot; wonder a lot; review a lot; then read a lot more! #eltchat |
| UpparkHG |
3/20/2013 |
11:40 PM |
RT @kaurgibbons: #eltpics #eltchat #snowdrops in #Uppark http://t.co/3bVHtiMMuR |
| Marisa_C |
3/20/2013 |
11:40 PM |
@Shaunwilden I think using some observation checklists could be a good starting point #eltchat |
| Florentina__T |
3/20/2013 |
11:40 PM |
@Marisa_C Trust that they can do it. Read. Try. Reflect. Read. Try again. Discuss all along. Everyone can do it if they want to. #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
3/20/2013 |
11:40 PM |
@TheSecretDoS fair enough #eltchat |
| louisealix68 |
3/20/2013 |
11:41 PM |
@TheSecretDoS @Marisa_C @shaunwilden but research, 2 be good, needs to be small + focussed. Well designed obs is good! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
3/20/2013 |
11:41 PM |
@Florentina__T sorry this should have been public - why do u keep urging me to trust - have i given u a mistrustful impression? #ELTchat |
| prese1 |
3/20/2013 |
11:41 PM |
RT @louisealix68: @lexicojules and which will prove relevant to your own class! #eltchat yes! |
| TheSecretDoS |
3/20/2013 |
11:41 PM |
@Marisa_C @shaunwilden observation checklists are very limiting. They focus the observer too much on what is on the list. #eltchat |
| Florentina__T |
3/20/2013 |
11:41 PM |
@Marisa_C Start from something that frustrates or intrigues them. #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
3/20/2013 |
11:41 PM |
@SueAnnan someone called louise #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
3/20/2013 |
11:42 PM |
@TheSecretDoS and is that not a good think you think? are you an all or nothing person? #eltchat |
| prese1 |
3/20/2013 |
11:42 PM |
@Shaunwilden reading blogs? webinars? joining efl chat groups? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
3/20/2013 |
11:43 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @TheSecretDoS and is that not a good think you think? are you an all or nothing person? #eltchat seems to be :-) |
| TheSecretDoS |
3/20/2013 |
11:43 PM |
Research=game: finding answer is only part of it. fun is trying to ensure what you discover is actually what you think it is. #eltchat |
| lexicojules |
3/20/2013 |
11:43 PM |
I'm interested in Ss vocab use (in writing), so I use their essays as a kind of basic corpus #ELTchat |
| TheSecretDoS |
3/20/2013 |
11:44 PM |
@Marisa_C not all/nothing. But why limit yourself unless you are doing confirmatory research or seeking to replicate sth. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
3/20/2013 |
11:44 PM |
@TheSecretDoS I think we are becoming a tad too esoteric here #eltchat |
| louisealix68 |
3/20/2013 |
11:44 PM |
@TheSecretDoS so simply hypothesis-testing / expecting 'yes' so ensuring you get it? #eltchat |
| louisealix68 |
3/20/2013 |
11:45 PM |
how many ELT teachers actually "evaluate" (research) own classes/pedagogy/didactics systematically? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
3/20/2013 |
11:45 PM |
@TheSecretDoS I thik you have answered your own Q just now - because u ARE focusing on sth #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
3/20/2013 |
11:45 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @TheSecretDoS I think we are becoming a tad too esoteric here #eltchat |
| JoJoUppark |
3/20/2013 |
11:46 PM |
RT @kaurgibbons: #eltpics #eltchat #snowdrops in #Uppark http://t.co/3bVHtiMMuR |
| TheSecretDoS |
3/20/2013 |
11:46 PM |
Research is pointless unless its done well. Might as well write opinion-blogpost. If its research, it needs to be well-designed. #eltchat |
| louisealix68 |
3/20/2013 |
11:46 PM |
and how many share their 'results' with others? #eltchat |
| naomishema |
3/20/2013 |
11:46 PM |
there are some online tools that help track ss behavior in class, could be behavior such as particopating or using s for verbs #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
3/20/2013 |
11:46 PM |
RT @louisealix68: how many ELT teachers actually "evaluate" (research) own classes/pedagogy/didactics systematically? #eltchat gd Q |
| Marisa_C |
3/20/2013 |
11:47 PM |
Class research is cyclical, reflective, self-driven and meaningful to a specific contect #ELtchat |
| lexicojules |
3/20/2013 |
11:47 PM |
@louisealix68 I work in EAP so we're a bit primed to evaluate, ask critical Qs, etc. #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
3/20/2013 |
11:47 PM |
@louisealix68 i suspect more than previously due to blogging etc #eltchat |
| Florentina__T |
3/20/2013 |
11:47 PM |
@Marisa_C I meant first step is for teachers to trust that they can do it. #ELTchat |
| louisealix68 |
3/20/2013 |
11:48 PM |
@Shaunwilden hope so. And hope more are reading background literature. From systematic evaluation.Gradually moving towards research.#eltchat |
| muranava |
3/20/2013 |
11:48 PM |
anything that helps tchrs to systematize their teaching e.g; checklists, corpora is helpful #eltchat |
| lexicojules |
3/20/2013 |
11:49 PM |
Sorry, gotta give up here, but thanks all for some interesting #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
3/20/2013 |
11:49 PM |
@Florentina__T oh gosh - sorry! thought you were censoring me! There is a bit too much of that about today! #ELTchat |
| louisealix68 |
3/20/2013 |
11:50 PM |
@Marisa_C oh? Got a link? #eltchat |
| louisealix68 |
3/20/2013 |
11:50 PM |
sorry - daughter keeps distracting me with Q's on word game on ipad ;-) #eltchat |
| lauraahaha |
3/20/2013 |
11:50 PM |
Eek! V late to #eltchat. Cambridge ESOL's Research Notes issue 48 is great reading for those interested in real stories of Action Research.. |
| TheSecretDoS |
3/20/2013 |
11:50 PM |
@Marisa_C are these characteristics enough to produce reliable evidence? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
3/20/2013 |
11:50 PM |
@louisealix68 Penny Ur did a wonderful talk about Ts NOT actually reading research - (I think she meanr published research) #eltchat |
| louisealix68 |
3/20/2013 |
11:51 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Penny Ur's talk http://t.co/b0GQDg11S6 #ELTchat brilliant, ta muchly! |
| Shaunwilden |
3/20/2013 |
11:51 PM |
@Marisa_C @louisealix68 oh yes i remeber that from glasgow last year #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
3/20/2013 |
11:51 PM |
Penny Ur's talk http://t.co/h3BSv6V0WI #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
3/20/2013 |
11:51 PM |
@TheSecretDoS No but no research exists which is fully reliable despite claims to the contrary #eltchat |
| louisealix68 |
3/20/2013 |
11:51 PM |
RT @lauraahaha: Eek! V late to #eltchat. Cambridge ESOL's Research Notes issue 48 is great reading for those interested in real stories ... |
| Shaunwilden |
3/20/2013 |
11:51 PM |
RT @lauraahaha: Eek! V late to #eltchat. Cambridge ESOL's Research Notes issue 48 is great reading for those interested in real stories ... |
| lexicojules |
3/20/2013 |
11:52 PM |
@marisa_c Yes, I was at that talk, but when I followed up the research she mentioned, her comments weren't all accurate! #ELTchat |
| TheSecretDoS |
3/20/2013 |
11:52 PM |
@Marisa_C ??? Are the contrary claims not well-founded? #eltchat |
| Florentina__T |
3/20/2013 |
11:52 PM |
@Marisa_C Funny, the feeling was mutual.:-) I work with hundreds of teachers who don't trust themselves, have a bee in my bonnet. #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
3/20/2013 |
11:53 PM |
@lexicojules I didn't actually do that to be honest - but on principle she made some gd points abt Ts needing to have access to it #ELTchat |
| louisealix68 |
3/20/2013 |
11:53 PM |
@lexicojules @marisa_c 1 always contradicts another! Typical of research - situation dependent if small scale #eltchat |
| muranava |
3/20/2013 |
11:53 PM |
@TheSecretDoS the big problem of non-publishing of negative results #eltchat |
| web20education |
3/20/2013 |
11:54 PM |
#googlekeep #startup relased today to Save what’s on your mind #edtech20 http://t.co/V5Gm4iyIn1 #elearning #edchat #eltchat #macul13 #tlchat |
| louisealix68 |
3/20/2013 |
11:54 PM |
@Marisa_C absolutely! #eltchat |
| TheSecretDoS |
3/20/2013 |
11:54 PM |
@Marisa_C misread your last tweet (again!). Research becomes reliable when it is replicable and when it follows sound design. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
3/20/2013 |
11:54 PM |
@louisealix68 i think even all the large scale research I have read parameter dependent - #eltchat |
| louisealix68 |
3/20/2013 |
11:54 PM |
@Marisa_C @lexicojules I feel lucky to have full digital access to great resources via #RadboudUniversity library #eltchat |
| louisealix68 |
3/20/2013 |
11:55 PM |
@Marisa_C hee hee, may not be rich financially but am rich 'researchly' #inventingnewwords #eltchat |
| lexicojules |
3/20/2013 |
11:55 PM |
@marisa_c Yes, she made some very good points, really enjoyed talk, but also broke some basic rules about using research #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
3/20/2013 |
11:55 PM |
@TheSecretDoS even so...... #eltchat |
| TheSecretDoS |
3/20/2013 |
11:55 PM |
RT @muranava: @TheSecretDoS the big problem of non-publishing of negative results #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
3/20/2013 |
11:55 PM |
@louisealix68 very jealous #RadboudUniversity #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
3/20/2013 |
11:56 PM |
@prese1learner autonomy - using IATEFL abbreviation from the SIG #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
3/20/2013 |
11:56 PM |
@lexicojules let alone the death by powerpoint :-D #ELTchat |
| muranava |
3/20/2013 |
11:56 PM |
this teacher toolkit is interesting http://t.co/KnmOf3W6lm #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
3/20/2013 |
11:57 PM |
coming to the end, who is going to write the summary? #eltchat |
| pysproblem81 |
3/20/2013 |
11:57 PM |
Sorry, slightly off topic - am now reading that @bengoldacre paper - it's really worthwhile: http://t.co/xfsIWPKiLy #eltchat |
| TheSecretDoS |
3/20/2013 |
11:57 PM |
#eltchat to get back to the "how" : I think first step is to read "research Methods in Education" |
| lexicojules |
3/20/2013 |
11:57 PM |
@marisa_c Yes, remember that too! ;) #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
3/20/2013 |
11:57 PM |
@muranava what is this toolkit pls? can u explain a bit #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
3/20/2013 |
11:58 PM |
I think we just barely scratched the surface today - we went round in circles for a bit - that's ok too but maybe revist? #Eltchat |
| louisealix68 |
3/20/2013 |
11:58 PM |
@Shaunwilden hmm, prob shld volunteer, tho' missed 1st half of chat..... unless s'one else really wants to #eltchat |
| TheSecretDoS |
3/20/2013 |
11:58 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @Shaunwilden: coming to the end, who is going to write the summary? #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
3/20/2013 |
11:58 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: coming to the end, who is going to write the summary? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
3/20/2013 |
11:58 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: coming to the end, who is going to write the summary? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
3/20/2013 |
11:59 PM |
@louisealix68 Aha i just realised it's your topic :-) #eltchat |
| louisealix68 |
3/20/2013 |
11:59 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: think just barely scratched the surface today - we went round in circles for a bit - revist? #Eltchat >absolutely |
| idc74 |
3/20/2013 |
11:59 PM |
Simon Borg will be talking on this at IATEFL L'pool, on back of his Teacher Research in Lang Teaching book http://t.co/vOcJhSpGMB #eltchat |
| TheSecretDoS |
3/20/2013 |
11:59 PM |
@Marisa_C @shaunwilden wrong button! Will do if there is some time...could I have a week? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
3/20/2013 |
11:59 PM |
@Marisa_C well you know where to suggest it :-) #eltchat |
| pysproblem81 |
3/20/2013 |
11:59 PM |
In some parts of world, is impossible 2 rise up career ladder of |
| Shaunwilden |
3/21/2013 |
12:00 AM |
@TheSecretDoS that would be great #eltchat, a week is fine @Marisa_C |
| prese1 |
3/21/2013 |
12:00 AM |
@MarjorieRosenbe @prese1learner sorry, you've lost me...what do you mean? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
3/21/2013 |
12:00 AM |
@idc74 well you missed this chat!!! why weren't you here? :-( #eltchat |
| muranava |
3/21/2013 |
12:00 AM |
@Marisa_C <<is an accessible summary of educational research>> - quote from site #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
3/21/2013 |
12:01 AM |
@pysproblem81 isolated indeed - problem of feeding it back higher up? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
3/21/2013 |
12:01 AM |
well that's another #eltchat gone by, thanks for joining us this evening |
| louisealix68 |
3/21/2013 |
12:01 AM |
@Shaunwilden absolutely - hence my "I shld". But if secretdos wants to...is fine. Have busy week #eltchat |
| pysproblem81 |
3/21/2013 |
12:01 AM |
basic structures needed 2 support ev-based practice lacking. As result, small no of trials done, but exist as isolated islands #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
3/21/2013 |
12:01 AM |
@idc74 oops sorry thought that was you :-D #eltchat |
| Sharonzspace |
3/21/2013 |
12:01 AM |
http://t.co/9M0hi26a2s: EFL for young learners. A project in an envelope #ELTCHAT #TESOL |
| SueAnnan |
3/21/2013 |
12:02 AM |
Thanks everyone. Great Mods as always ;-) #ELTChat |
| Shaunwilden |
3/21/2013 |
12:02 AM |
@louisealix68 so arrive on time next time :-) #eltchat |
| prese1 |
3/21/2013 |
12:02 AM |
Thanx for the #eltchat Bye! |
| louisealix68 |
3/21/2013 |
12:02 AM |
@Shaunwilden do we have to stop already? my fingers were just getting warmed up! #eltchat |
| muranava |
3/21/2013 |
12:02 AM |
thanks all definitely need revisiting a hugely important topic #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
3/21/2013 |
12:02 AM |
@louisealix68 yes thats what made me realise :-) you and @TheSecretDoS decide who wants to do it and let us know :-) #eltchat |
| Florentina__T |
3/21/2013 |
12:02 AM |
@Marisa_C Very interesting/useful perspectives. Must find the time to join you more often. Thanks all! #ELTchat |
| idc74 |
3/21/2013 |
12:02 AM |
@Marisa_C Very late arrival! Have just been reading through all the chat. #eltchat |
| pysproblem81 |
3/21/2013 |
12:02 AM |
Thanks for #eltchat - enjoyed lurking |
| Marisa_C |
3/21/2013 |
12:03 AM |
@louisealix68 @TheSecretDoS #eltchat why not collaborate on this summary - it works well - or do two |
| pysproblem81 |
3/21/2013 |
12:03 AM |
@Marisa_C @bengoldacre is a Dr - he is saying Edneeds 2 develop structures like those in med for dissemination of research #eltchat |
| louisealix68 |
3/21/2013 |
12:03 AM |
@Shaunwilden ha ha - tell that to all the parents who were desperate to chat about their kids! #eltchat |
| TheSecretDoS |
3/21/2013 |
12:04 AM |
#eltchat recommend @bengoldacre article in Guardian. Evidence-based is only one type of epistemology, but challenging one. #eltchat |
| louisealix68 |
3/21/2013 |
12:05 AM |
@Marisa_C @TheSecretDoS How about 2 like Steinbeck's comment on plane from Prague: his neighbour had visited different Prague! #eltchat |
| TheSecretDoS |
3/21/2013 |
12:06 AM |
@louisealix68 @marisa_c will be fun in two...triangulation rules! #eltchat |
| louisealix68 |
3/21/2013 |
12:06 AM |
@Marisa_C sure. U send some sort of 'photo' of chat? How's it work #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
3/21/2013 |
12:06 AM |
@louisealix68 would be very interesting yes - would you? I'd be keen to read the different versions #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
3/21/2013 |
12:07 AM |
@TheSecretDoS @louisealix68 #eltchat Indeed! Has happened before #eltchat |
| TheSecretDoS |
3/21/2013 |
12:08 AM |
@pysproblem81 absolutely...can I just highlight @EBEFL to those of you who've yet to discover him (and his blog). Great reading! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
3/21/2013 |
12:08 AM |
@TheSecretDoS: @louisealix68 @marisa_c Anyway, will put up transcript soon and hope you will :- ) #eltchat |
| bengoldacre |
3/21/2013 |
12:09 AM |
Hello people on #eltchat I hope you might like this that I wrote for DfE http://t.co/9dIaptkAom and http://t.co/A0IiDyPFIr |
| MicaelaCarey |
3/21/2013 |
12:10 AM |
#ELTChat Goodnight all. Great input and fast- hard to keep up! |
| Marisa_C |
3/21/2013 |
12:11 AM |
@bengoldacre thx for sharing #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
3/21/2013 |
12:11 AM |
RT @bengoldacre: Hello people on #eltchat I hope you might like this that I wrote for DfE http://t.co/1b9UMA6NJd and http://t.co/wa53QhR88U |
| louisealix68 |
3/21/2013 |
12:12 AM |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @bengoldacre: Hello people on #eltchat I hope you might like this that I wrote for DfE http://t.co/1b9UMA6NJd and http: ... |
| TheSecretDoS |
3/21/2013 |
12:12 AM |
kudos @Marisa_C and @Shaunwilden for moderation and for sustaining #eltchat fantastic resource. Thanks for engaging w/me & my esotericism! |
| Marisa_C |
3/21/2013 |
12:13 AM |
@TheSecretDoS te he he - had a good crack at it :-D #eltchat |
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