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Shaunwilden |
12:00 PM |
The 12 GMT #eltchat is The use of the Ss’ mother tongue in the classroom – pros, cons and best practices. Welcome all |
Marisa_C |
12:02 PM |
Hello everyone - who is ready to join this #ELTchat ? |
jobethsteel |
12:03 PM |
#eltchat Here but working. This time not good for me any more. Hence bad typing as on second laptop! |
Marisa_C |
12:03 PM |
@jobethsteel hi there and welcome #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
12:03 PM |
@rosemerebard good to see you Rose #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
12:03 PM |
So anyone have any thoughts on mother tongue use? #eltchat |
jobethsteel |
12:03 PM |
#eltchat Hello all. Here but working. This time ios |
rosemerebard |
12:03 PM |
#eltchat Finally have my routine organized and lucky me no classes on Wed. I can participate in #eltchat whenever possible. Good to be here. |
jobethsteel |
12:04 PM |
@Marisa_C ta. #eltchat |
BobK99 |
12:04 PM |
@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C #eltchat Last c/rm teaching I did was 5 yrs ago, so I imagine I'll be taking a back seat again. |
Marisa_C |
12:04 PM |
@jobethsteel no worries - we will edit #eltchat |
rosemerebard |
12:04 PM |
#eltchat Thanks Marisa. this is very interesting topic and I look forward to it. I use L1 in class as part of my teaching practice. |
LTLLblog |
12:05 PM |
@Shaunwilden it takes experience to know how and when to use it effectively. #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
12:05 PM |
RT @rosemerebard: #eltchat. this is very interesting topic and I look forward to it. I use L1 in class as part of my teaching practice. |
jobethsteel |
12:05 PM |
#eltchat I am for it when necessary. |
Marisa_C |
12:06 PM |
RT @AlexandraKouk: Using L1 in class used to be a no-no - no longer the case? #eltchat> a no no in ALM and Direct Method days |
MarjorieRosenbe |
12:06 PM |
Just got home. what's the topic? #eltchat |
AlexandraKouk |
12:06 PM |
Using L1 in class used to be a no-no - no longer the case? #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
12:06 PM |
RT @LTLLblog: @Shaunwilden it takes experience to know how and when to use it effectively. #eltchat > so new Ts should avoid it? |
jobethsteel |
12:06 PM |
RT @LTLLblog: @Shaunwilden it takes experience to know how and when to use it effectively. #eltchat |
jobethsteel |
12:07 PM |
#eltchat Useful at higher levels too for nuance and subtleties. |
MarjorieRosenbe |
12:07 PM |
Found it. I use L1 occasionally to quickly translate a word when explaining it would take longer. #eltchat |
rosemerebard |
12:07 PM |
RT @LTLLblog: @Shaunwilden it takes experience to know how and when to use it effectively. #eltchat agree with that. |
Marisa_C |
12:07 PM |
Many Ts fear the stigma of being branded a Grammar Translation T #eltchat so avoid it altogether |
dennis_p37 |
12:07 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: One more blog post on the use of L1 by Steve Brown http://t.co/6gBO7ggknW #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden |
12:07 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe The use of the Ss’ mother tongue in the classroom – pros, cons and best practices. #eltchat |
LTLLblog |
12:07 PM |
@Marisa_C Yes, with lower levels it can be invaluable. #eltchat |
CotterHUE |
12:07 PM |
Positive: Lower-level students may need more info on aspect of the new material, but not have the language in L2. #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
12:08 PM |
@rosemerebard Can the principles of when to use or not use be taught to novice Ts? #eltchat They learn much more complex stuff than this!! |
MarjorieRosenbe |
12:08 PM |
I get to compare quickly translating to explaining when I have classes with non-native speakers of German. Takes longer. #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
12:09 PM |
RT @AlexandraKouk: Seems like the how to use L1 in class is the question, not whether it should be used at all #eltchat |
AlexandraKouk |
12:09 PM |
Seems like the how to use L1 in class is the question, not whether it should be used at all #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
12:09 PM |
Homwork and tests are all in English (I teach B1 and upwards) so only use it for expediency. #eltchat |
rosemerebard |
12:09 PM |
#eltchat I don't think they should avoid it, they need the time to consider that carefully in their planning and reflection on it constantly |
BobK99 |
12:09 PM |
MT| @Shaunwilden #eltchat ...pros, cons and best practices. > Con: CAN be an ego trip for the teacher! ;-) |
CotterHUE |
12:09 PM |
Ss say a sentence in L1 &teacher translates for future use/reference. Good w/incidental language like singular phrase/sentence. #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
12:10 PM |
In pair or group work they are welcome to check a bilingual dictionary on their phones - we discuss it all afterwards as well. #eltchat |
jobethsteel |
12:10 PM |
#eltchat T needs to know the lang well enough too. |
Marisa_C |
12:10 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe define expediency pls - one of the things we should discuss #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
12:11 PM |
@Marisa_C Well it would seem easier to use in a monolingual class than a multi one #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
12:11 PM |
RT @jobethsteel: #eltchat T needs to know the lang well enough too. > not really - Google Translate? |
Shaunwilden |
12:11 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: When is it important or when will the use fo L1 help #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
12:11 PM |
When is it important or when will the use fo L1 help #ELTchat |
AlexandraKouk |
12:12 PM |
we're talking abt monolingual classes in a non-English speaking country? #eltchat Then difficult 2 come up w/ meaning context 4 using L2 |
MarjorieRosenbe |
12:12 PM |
@Marisa_C For quick understanding of term or sometimes to compare differences or point out similarities between L1 & L2. #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
12:12 PM |
Ts who spoke no other languages in the past would support the view of not using L1 in class #ELTchat |
LTLLblog |
12:12 PM |
@AlexandraKouk True. When do people think it is 'justified' to use L1? #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
12:13 PM |
@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C Exactly - that's when I have the long explanations. #eltchat major difference between ELT & ESL IMHO. |
rosemerebard |
12:13 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Can the principles of when to use or... #eltchat Not be taught, it is sth every teacher need to decide and live by |
Marisa_C |
12:13 PM |
RT @jobethsteel: @Marisa_C Haven't used it. That accurate? > Not sure - but did the job when I did use it (can't speak Farsi) #ELTchat |
CotterHUE |
12:14 PM |
RT @BobK99: MT| @Shaunwilden #eltchat ...pros, cons and best practices. > Con: CAN be an ego trip for the teacher! ;-) |
MarjorieRosenbe |
12:14 PM |
@AlexandraKouk Depends on level. I point out that they are listening to me in English so they must be thinking in English. #eltchat |
AlexandraKouk |
12:14 PM |
* meaningful context #eltchat |
rosemerebard |
12:15 PM |
RT @annapires: How is use of L1 viewed in CELTA courses? #eltchat Good question Anna. I take my own experience and the benefits of it though |
MarjorieRosenbe |
12:15 PM |
I have replaced teachers who didn't have command of German - companies weren't happy. #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
12:15 PM |
@annapires It was not allowed on the ones I worked one #eltchat |
AlexandraKouk |
12:15 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe Was thinking more of meaningful activities when communicating in pairs/ groups -> more natural for them to use L1 #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
12:15 PM |
So to sum up - so far the functions of L1 use can be to 1/check comp 2/clarify & compare L1 vs L2 ... #ELTchat - any more? |
annapires |
12:15 PM |
How is use of L1 viewed in CELTA courses? #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
12:15 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C Sorry, meant EFL and ESL - typing and eating, not good combo. #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
12:16 PM |
@annapires Attitudes changing but still many tutors and assessors who would rather not hear ANY L1 during TP #ELTchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
12:16 PM |
@Marisa_C Help over a stumbling block - is this clarify? #eltchat |
CotterHUE |
12:16 PM |
Con: Teacher isnt skilled in students native language, and provides (slightly) wrong translation or instructions. #eltchat |
jobethsteel |
12:16 PM |
@annapires encourage trainees not to depend on it at first - so can learn to do that #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
12:16 PM |
RT @annapires: How is use of L1 viewed in CELTA courses? #eltchat > Just been having this discussion on the CELTA trainers board |
MarjorieRosenbe |
12:17 PM |
@AlexandraKouk Right but I try to get them back to L2 with variety of ways. #eltchat |
PatrickAndrews |
12:17 PM |
@Marisa_C yes think that is a good point. Those who only speak one Lang are very keen on monolingual ism in class #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
12:17 PM |
@jobethsteel Both valuable skills - learn not to depend on L1 and learn to use it wisely - I think #ELTchat |
rosemerebard |
12:17 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: So to sum up - so far ... #ELTchat - any more? Learner training. I do that and helps explaining lower level Ss how to, |
Shaunwilden |
12:17 PM |
@CotterHUE yes thats is a problem but if they work with the class it can often be overcome #eltchat |
jobethsteel |
12:18 PM |
RT @PatrickAndrews: @Marisa_C yes think that is a good point. Those who only speak one Lang are very keen on monolingual ism in class # ... |
Marisa_C |
12:18 PM |
@rosemerebard Learner training - e.g. BEFORE the lesson begins you do the LTR? #ELTchat - done it myself with YLs |
AlexandraKouk |
12:18 PM |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @AlexandraKouk Right but I try to get them back to L2 with variety of ways. #eltchat |
CotterHUE |
12:19 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @jobethsteel Both valuable skills - learn not to depend on L1 and learn to use it wisely - I think #ELTchat |
rosemerebard |
12:19 PM |
Re: Was thinking + of meaningful acts when communicating in pairs/ groups -> + natural use L1 #eltchat this is the time when L1 not allowed |
Marisa_C |
12:19 PM |
@PatrickAndrews Indeed!! #ELTchat - got a job to protect |
jobethsteel |
12:19 PM |
RT @rosemerebard: RT @Marisa_C: So to sum up - so far ... #ELTchat - any more? Learner training. I do that and helps explaining lower le ... |
Marisa_C |
12:20 PM |
@jenmacJennifer Good point - with my Ss from Afghanistan - stronger Ss asked to help by translating instructions #ELTchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
12:20 PM |
I also give examples of my whoppers in German to relax them and get over fears of making mistakes. #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
12:20 PM |
@annapires @Marisa_C Yes the linguistic gymnastics they go thru to avoid L1 is often painful to watch (but amusing :-)) #eltchat |
rosemerebard |
12:20 PM |
#eltchat I plan activities carefully in a way that L2 should be top priority, and use L1 for other moments when necessary only. otherwise L2 |
annapires |
12:20 PM |
@Marisa_C Newly qualified trs go to great lengths to avoid L1 in classroom. Quite painful observing sometimes. #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
12:21 PM |
@annapires Have gone through those gymnastics myself in my far and distant past :-D #ELTchat A killer smtms #ELTchat |
annapires |
12:21 PM |
Great activity in Inside Out Int resource book called the Translator (I think) for reported speech which uses L1 #ELTchat |
rosemerebard |
12:21 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @jobethsteel Both valuable skills - learn not to depend on L1 and learn to use it wisely - I think #ELTchat totally agree. |
jobethsteel |
12:21 PM |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: I also give examples of my whoppers in German to relax them and get over fears of making mistakes. #eltchat Me too! |
PatrickAndrews |
12:21 PM |
@Marisa_C Phillipson nailed the monolingual ism myth about 20 years ago #eltchat |
BobK99 |
12:21 PM |
@annapires #eltchat Badly, in my exp.e (2006). About half of my class were not NS of Eng (Sp and Fr, I thk) and even THEY were warned off |
MarjorieRosenbe |
12:22 PM |
@PatrickAndrews and is wonderful rapport builder - puts us in the same boat. #eltchat |
Acquk |
12:22 PM |
Happy to be able to join #Eltchat, albeit a bit late! |
annapires |
12:22 PM |
@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C But a waste of class time, no? #ELTchat |
CotterHUE |
12:22 PM |
Technical/cultural explanations in L1 of Ss may be more useful. Same, discussing a specific skill or point where L2 isnt needed. #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
12:22 PM |
RT @PatrickAndrews: @Marisa_C Phillipson nailed the monolingual ism myth about 20 years ago #eltchat > Thanks for that comment P- he did! |
PatrickAndrews |
12:22 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe yes and shows interest in their language #eltchat |
StanzaSL |
12:23 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: One more blog post on the use of L1 by Steve Brown http://t.co/6gBO7ggknW #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
12:23 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe Another great comment thanks Marjorie - esp YL's need their L1 on occasion for affective reasons!!! #ELTchat |
annapires |
12:23 PM |
@Marisa_C Hahaha...me too! Especially when I was being observed! ;) #ELTchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
12:23 PM |
@annapires @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C Must get the grey cells working hard. #eltchat |
BobK99 |
12:23 PM |
MT @CotterHUE: Con: Teacher isnt skilled in Ss native lang... (slightly) wrong translation or instructions. #eltchat > Easily done:) |
Shaunwilden |
12:23 PM |
@annapires @Marisa_C Yes absolutely #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
12:23 PM |
@annapires @Shaunwilden Absoutely! #ELTchat wasting time cavorting in L2 I call it |
Shaunwilden |
12:24 PM |
@BrunoELT tut tut brno only topic related tweets please #eltchat |
rosemerebard |
12:24 PM |
#eltchat hard 4 Ss to see L1 just a support 2 learn instead of a crutches. So, I'm firm on the L2 use in class. |
harrisonmike |
12:24 PM |
via @willycard Open Space professional development: On 8 March I had the pleasure to host an... http://t.co/SYFo7moIuG #elt #eltchat #fb |
annapires |
12:25 PM |
Does anyone use Google Transltor in class? #ELTchat |
Acquk |
12:25 PM |
I find translation can be an effective method of raising language awareness in a monolingual classroom #eltchat |
rosemerebard |
12:26 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @rosemerebard Learner training - #ELTchat - b4 certain activities as quick as possible or through notebook messages. |
Marisa_C |
12:26 PM |
RT @Acquk: I find translation can be an effective method of raising language awareness in a monolingual classroom #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
12:26 PM |
Yesterday amused group with how I learned dative pronouns in German while on the NYC subway. Gives idea of how to work on L2. #eltchat |
LTLLblog |
12:27 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe @patrickandrews Re rapport building in EFL, if we use L1 then we are not just a 'foreign mercenary'. #eltchat |
jobethsteel |
12:27 PM |
RT @annapires: Does anyone use Google Transltor in class? #ELTchat@annapires @marisa-C says she has. |
BobK99 |
12:27 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe #eltchat re whoppers: my CELTA teacher thrown out of an epicerie for asking about 'preservatifs' in biscuits ;-) |
CotterHUE |
12:27 PM |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: Yesterday amused group with how I learned dative pronouns in German while on the NYC subway. Gives idea of how to w ... |
StanzaSL |
12:27 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: A little bit of pre-reading for the topic of our #ELTchat today on using our Ss' L1 http://t.co/EZKvtqxjOW via @sueswift |
Marisa_C |
12:27 PM |
@Acquk Hence the value of using Contrastive Analysis for language awareness #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden |
12:27 PM |
@annapires not yet though I can see lots of ways it could be used - do you? #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
12:27 PM |
@Acquk Also very true - certainly shows differences. #eltchat - makes them think, always a plus. |
Marisa_C |
12:28 PM |
Must put up a link to Philipson's "Linguistic Imperialism" in Google books and I think a must-read for Ts http://t.co/QySKHo6QEn #ELTchat |
BobK99 |
12:28 PM |
RT @PatrickAndrews: @Marisa_C Phillipson nailed the monolingual ism myth about 20 years ago #eltchat > Link? |
rosemerebard |
12:28 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @jenmacJennifer Good point - stronger Ss asked to help by translating instructions #ELTchat I do that too. Ss help each on it |
rosemerebard |
12:29 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @PatrickAndrews: @Marisa_C Phillipson nailed the monolingual ism myth about 20 years ago #eltchat > Thanks for that ... |
MarjorieRosenbe |
12:29 PM |
@BobK99 Did the same here with orange juice - they told me they sold it in a bottle, not in a ... #eltchat |
annapires |
12:29 PM |
@Shaunwilden I let sts refer to it while working on tasks, just like in the past when taking Port-Eng dictionaries to class. #ELTchat |
CotterHUE |
12:30 PM |
Pro: Students build real skills, like how to repair communication breakdowns, when solely using L2. #eltchat |
LTLLblog |
12:30 PM |
@annapires No, but we do use an online dictionary on which Ss can write Chinese characters if needs be. #eltchat |
oyajimbo |
12:30 PM |
It’s all about reading – Teaching Village http://t.co/U84ZeauHuJ #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
12:30 PM |
A comment on the use of L1 by Jack Richards http://t.co/Ru1DtiOB6t #ELTchat |
AlexandraKouk |
12:31 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: And a great review by @thornburyscott on Guy Cook' s book - leading figure http://t.co/6N5QkmvSk2 #ELTchat |
rosemerebard |
12:31 PM |
RT @BobK99: MT @CotterHUE: Con: Teacher isnt skilled in Ss native lang... (slightly) wrong translation or instructions. #eltchat > Ea ... |
MarjorieRosenbe |
12:31 PM |
@Marisa_C I meant to move the lesson along - hope I am using it correctly, not get bogged down. #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
12:31 PM |
And a great review by @thornburyscott on Guy Cook' s book - leading figure http://t.co/6N5QkmvSk2 #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden |
12:31 PM |
@annapires It is notoriously inaccurate though is it not? #eltchat |
CotterHUE |
12:32 PM |
@jobethsteel Google translator not so good for Japanese <> English. #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
12:32 PM |
RT @LTLLblog: @annapires No, but we do use an online dictionary on which Ss can write Chinese characters if needs be. #eltchat |
PatrickAndrews |
12:32 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Must put up a link to Philipson's "Linguistic Imperialism" in Google books and I think a must-read for Ts http://t.co/QySK ... |
Acquk |
12:32 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Must put up a link to Philipson's "Linguistic Imperialism" in Google books and I think a must-read for Ts http://t.co/QySK ... |
Marisa_C |
12:33 PM |
RT @LTLLblog: Nice activity with L1 is to ask Ss to trans. L2 text to L1 at start of class then retrans. at the end. Sure it has a prope ... |
MarjorieRosenbe |
12:33 PM |
L1 also vital when explaining 'false friends' #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
12:33 PM |
@CotterHUE Many translator sites have translators like Babel Fish etc #eltchat |
LTLLblog |
12:33 PM |
Nice activity with L1 is to ask Ss to trans. L2 text to L1 at start of class then retrans. at the end. Sure it has a proper name #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
12:34 PM |
RT @BrunoELT: #eltchat specially when it comes to YL who are beginners, L1 comes in handy for instructions ...but gradlly dimishd |
MarjorieRosenbe |
12:34 PM |
Keep explaining that a 'beamer' in English is probably NOT understood as a data projector, but a car, for example. #eltchat |
annapires |
12:34 PM |
@Shaunwilden Yes, but I'm around to help out. Though wondering how we cld use it as a tool. Sts use it all the time outside class. #ELTchat |
rosemerebard |
12:34 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @Acquk: I find translation can be an effective method of raising language awareness in a monolingual classroom #eltchat |
AlexandraKouk |
12:35 PM |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: L1 also vital when explaining 'false friends' #eltchat |
CotterHUE |
12:35 PM |
Ss can use their L1 to ask questions & confirm comprehension it may lead to clearer realization of the form&meaning. #eltchat |
AlexandraKouk |
12:35 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: A comment on the use of L1 by Jack Richards http://t.co/Ru1DtiOB6t #ELTchat |
jobethsteel |
12:35 PM |
RT @CotterHUE: @jobethsteel Google translator not so good for Japanese <> English. #eltchat Haven't used will check out and decide. |
Marisa_C |
12:36 PM |
If you can speak ur Ss' L1 in a mono-L class - tell them a story in L1 - they write it in L2 and then read the original #eltchat TBL or nt? |
PatrickAndrews |
12:36 PM |
@BobK99 @marisa_c the book Linguistic Imperialism plus many other sources #eltchat |
CotterHUE |
12:36 PM |
@marisa_c But all of these translator sites are terrible for Japanese <> English. #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
12:36 PM |
@annapires Mind you its no worse than some of the 'translation' dictionaries sts buy. #eltchat |
annapires |
12:37 PM |
Watched Mario Rinvolucri demo a great storytelling activity with use of L1 #eltchat |
rosemerebard |
12:37 PM |
RT @annapires: @Shaunwilden I let sts refer to it while working on tasks, just like in the past when taking Port-Eng dictionaries to cla ... |
rosemerebard |
12:37 PM |
RT @BrunoELT: #eltchat L1 comes in handy for instructions and rule delivery and should be gradlly dimish> I do that and use it 2 present L2 |
Marisa_C |
12:38 PM |
@annapires is it the one where he tells a story in L2 with occasional words in L1 ? - new words? #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
12:38 PM |
@Acquk Or the Austrian 'pullunder' for a sleeveless sweater (US sweater vest). UK? #eltchat |
rosemerebard |
12:38 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: And a great review by @thornburyscott on Guy Cook' s book - leading figure http://t.co/6N5QkmvSk2 #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
12:38 PM |
RT @annapires: Watched Mario Rinvolucri demo a great storytelling activity with use of L1 #eltchat > u re on my mind was just thinking of hm |
PatrickAndrews |
12:38 PM |
@BrunoELT @marisa_c @thornburyscott Guy Cook is a good writer #eltchat |
rosemerebard |
12:39 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @CotterHUE Many translator sites have translators like Babel Fish etc #eltchat |
rosemerebard |
12:40 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @CotterHUE translator sites have translators #eltchat I havnt seen the use of them by Ss helping them improve at all. |
MarjorieRosenbe |
12:40 PM |
'What's tonight's topic? #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
12:40 PM |
What about how Ss use L1 in their notebooks? They do so anyway whether u OK or not - any ways of training them to use best? #eltchat |
annapires |
12:40 PM |
Have to go feed son! Hope to join you for this evening's chat. #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
12:41 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: What about how Ss use L1 in their notebooks? They do so anyway whether u OK or not - any ways of training them to use best ... |
LTLLblog |
12:41 PM |
@Marisa_C @brunoelt you're right, lot of my instructions come in English with learners giving them back to in L1 for me to check. #eltchat |
annapires |
12:41 PM |
@Marisa_C Yes, After watching him I felt a lot more comfortable using L1 with my sts. #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden |
12:41 PM |
@annapires See you this evening when I think we're talking research #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
12:41 PM |
@annapires great to have you back Anna :-) #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
12:42 PM |
@LTLLblog #eltchat L1 as a checking device - and making sure weaker Ss get it |
annapires |
12:42 PM |
@Marisa_C Great to be back! See you later! @Shaunwilden #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden |
12:42 PM |
@Marisa_C I used to look at that in first lessons with sts showing them other ways to record #eltchat |
rosemerebard |
12:42 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @annapires Mind you its no worse than some of the 'translation' dictionaries sts buy. #eltchat > true |
Shaunwilden |
12:43 PM |
@Marisa_C Well most but many arent aware of different ways they could record so it is useful to do #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
12:43 PM |
@Marisa_C If they learn the vocab and can use it they can record it anyway they like. #eltchat. |
rosemerebard |
12:43 PM |
RT @annapires: Watched Mario Rinvolucri demo a great storytelling activity with use of L1 #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
12:43 PM |
@Shaunwilden yes - very worthy I'm sure but inevitable that Ss WILL use it - no? #eltchat |
jobethsteel |
12:44 PM |
#eltchat From all posts so far seems to me learner training vital. |
MarjorieRosenbe |
12:44 PM |
Am in middle of research project with learning styles which also addresse how sts learn vocab. #eltchat |
zhenglizhou |
12:44 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @BrunoELT: #eltchat specially when it comes to YL who are beginners, L1 comes in handy for instructions ...but gradlly ... |
AlexandraKouk |
12:44 PM |
for language awareness- get Ss to record their most common L1 transfer errors, ie. collocations, tense usage etc. #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
12:44 PM |
@BrunoELT Can be both if one St ALWAYS relying on L1 - have seen this happen too #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
12:44 PM |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: 'What's tonight's topic? #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
12:44 PM |
'Asked my CAE class to share ideas on learning vocab yesterday - all had different methods. #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
12:45 PM |
@BrunoELT Have had to separate a student from his interpreted once :-D #eltchat |
rosemerebard |
12:45 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: What about how Ss use L1 in their notebooks? any ways of training them to use best? #eltchat Picturenary? cut from magazines? |
MarjorieRosenbe |
12:45 PM |
@Marisa_C @BrunoELT they always need to get the word off the page and USE it. #eltchat |
CotterHUE |
12:45 PM |
RT @AlexandraKouk: for language awareness- get Ss to record their most common L1 transfer errors, ie. collocations, tense usage etc. #e ... |
Shaunwilden |
12:45 PM |
RT @jobethsteel: #eltchat From all posts so far seems to me learner training vital. |
Marisa_C |
12:45 PM |
RT @jobethsteel: #eltchat From all posts so far seems to me learner training vital. > absolutely |
Shaunwilden |
12:45 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe Sounds interesting :-) #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
12:45 PM |
RT @AlexandraKouk: for language awareness- get Ss to record their most common L1 transfer errors, ie. collocations, tenses etc. #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
12:46 PM |
@rosemerebard @Marisa_C and these days apps can be the vocab notebook #eltchat |
rosemerebard |
12:46 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @LTLLblog #eltchat L1 as a checking device - and making sure weaker Ss get it |
Marisa_C |
12:46 PM |
I meant 'interpreter" #Eltchat |
jobethsteel |
12:46 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @BrunoELT Have had to separate a student from his interpreted once :-D #eltchat lol! |
Marisa_C |
12:46 PM |
@rosemerebard picture records - and online tools very useful #eltchat |
rosemerebard |
12:46 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C I used to look at that in first lessons with sts showing them other ways to record #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
12:46 PM |
@Shaunwilden Will talk a bit about it at IATEFL - Thursday presentation. #eltchat |
AlexandraKouk |
12:46 PM |
Ss need to know when L1 is their friend and when not #eltchat |
rosemerebard |
12:46 PM |
RT @LTLLblog: @Marisa_C @brunoelt you're right, lot of my instructions come in English with learners giving them back to in L1 for me to ... |
BobK99 |
12:47 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe #eltchat Re vocab: most (?) dictionery software has a My Dictionary feature, where they can add their own entries/cmts |
MarjorieRosenbe |
12:47 PM |
RT @AlexandraKouk: Ss need to know when L1 is their friend and when not #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
12:47 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe Is that a subtle way of telling to come to the talk :-) #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
12:47 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @rosemerebard @Marisa_C and these days apps can be the vocab notebook #eltchat > any apps u can share? |
Acquk |
12:47 PM |
For vocab, many learners prefer L1-->L2 (I do). I think that learning method should be acknowledged even if it is not encouraged #eltchat |
rosemerebard |
12:48 PM |
RT @AlexandraKouk: Ss need to know when L1 is their friend and when not #eltchat |
adi_rajan |
12:48 PM |
I've always wondered how u can get Ss to switch out of the L1 for sp. activities if they've been using it for 2/3rds of the lesson? #eltchat |
Acquk |
12:48 PM |
http://t.co/jh5aeYitPl Vokabel is an android app for bilingual vocab training #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
12:48 PM |
@Marisa_C My fave vocab app is A+ spelling test - this is it on the uk itunes store #eltchat http://t.co/p2pGYDxtjj |
MarjorieRosenbe |
12:48 PM |
@Shaunwilden Just giving you the info - you are more than welcome however. #eltchat |
rosemerebard |
12:48 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @jobethsteel: #eltchat From all posts so far seems to me learner training vital. > absolutely |
EducationSITC |
12:48 PM |
Should We Pay College Athletes? http://t.co/8iGoEcjhhF #eltchat #edtech #artsed #economics |
AlexandraKouk |
12:49 PM |
Useful tips on how to handle L1's negative side in Learner English http://t.co/lNNPgn8SXZ #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
12:49 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe I'll highlight it in my planner now :-) #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
12:49 PM |
@BrunoELT @Marisa_C Exactly. this happens in bilingual families all the time with code switching. #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
12:49 PM |
@adi_rajan 2 thirds of the lesson seems excessive to me - sb's not able to control things if so #eltchat |
rosemerebard |
12:49 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @rosemerebard @Marisa_C and these days apps can be the vocab notebook #eltchat |
robertmclarty |
12:49 PM |
#eltchat Isn't use of L1 the only real proof of understanding of new grammar & vocab? For adults it is totally natural to take notes in L1. |
MarjorieRosenbe |
12:50 PM |
How many of you code switch at home when it is faster? Just curious. We do all the time. #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
12:50 PM |
@Acquk thanks Kristen, will tell my sts. #eltchat |
AlexandraKouk |
12:50 PM |
RT @adi_rajan: I've always wondered how u can get Ss to switch out of the L1 for sp. activities if they've been using it for 2/3rds of t ... |
rosemerebard |
12:51 PM |
RT @Acquk: http://t.co/jh5aeYitPl Vokabel is an android app for bilingual vocab training #eltchat |
BobK99 |
12:51 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @rosemerebard @Marisa_C and these days apps can be the vocab notebook #eltchat > CAN be hidden receptacle/purveyor of error |
andivwhite |
12:51 PM |
Just got Tweetdeck working again and very happy to see #eltchat first thing! |
rosemerebard |
12:51 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C My fave vocab app is A+ spelling test - this is it on the uk itunes store #eltchat http://t.co/p2pGYDxtjj |
Marisa_C |
12:51 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe At work - very often do codeswitching - cometimes confuse myself!!!! :-D #eltchat |
rosemerebard |
12:51 PM |
RT @BobK99: @MarjorieRosenbe #eltchat Re vocab: most (?) dictionery software has a My Dictionary feature, where they can add their own ... |
jobethsteel |
12:51 PM |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: How many of you code switch at home when it is faster? Just curious. We do all the time. #eltchat with friends defo |
Shaunwilden |
12:51 PM |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: How many of you code switch at home when it is faster? Just curious. We do all the time. #eltchat |
rosemerebard |
12:51 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @Shaunwilden: these days apps can be the vocab notebook #eltchat > any apps u can share?> No I'm still fishing for apps. |
jobethsteel |
12:52 PM |
#eltchat @marjorierosenbe Some words are just better in other languages eg chela better than beer! |
MarjorieRosenbe |
12:52 PM |
I also grew up with some code switching so for me it is pretty normal. #eltchat |
Acquk |
12:52 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe No problem. It was actually my learners who introduced it to me! #eltchat |
adi_rajan |
12:52 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe code switch all the time, between languages, dialects, accents, registers. #eltchat |
AlexandraKouk |
12:52 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @MarjorieRosenbe At work - very often do codeswitching - cometimes confuse myself!!!! :-D #eltchat > same here!!! |
Shaunwilden |
12:53 PM |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: So when we forbid L1 we are actually going against something we do naturally. #eltchat Quite |
jobethsteel |
12:53 PM |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: So when we forbid L1 we are actually going against something we do naturally. #eltchat |
rosemerebard |
12:53 PM |
RT @adi_rajan: I've always wondered how u can get Ss to switch out of the L1 for sp. activities if they've been using it for 2/3rds of t ... |
MarjorieRosenbe |
12:53 PM |
So when we forbid L1 we are actually going against something we do naturally. #eltchat |
rosemerebard |
12:53 PM |
#eltchat not a fan of L1/L2 word translation though in my classroom. But can't avoid Ss doing it. Showing different ways helped in my class |
Shaunwilden |
12:54 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Idea: take a poorly translated text and get Ss to think of it in their L1 then rewrite it properly in L2 #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
12:54 PM |
Idea: take a poorly translated text and get Ss to think of it in their L1 then rewrite it properly in L2 #ELTchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
12:55 PM |
Just did an error correction auction with typical Germanisms they had to find and fix. Fun and instructive. #eltchat |
rosemerebard |
12:55 PM |
@robertmclarty: #eltchat Isn't use of L1 the only real proof of understanding of..?> not sure real proof, using it in the righ context also? |
Shaunwilden |
12:55 PM |
It's that time when we start to nag for summary writers #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
12:55 PM |
Translation a great way to teach reported speech too! E.g. at the customs or elswhere - SA cannot speak English #ELTchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
12:55 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Idea: take a poorly translated text and get Ss to think of it in their L1 then rewrite it properly in L2 #ELTchat |
andivwhite |
12:55 PM |
@Marisa that's a great idea! #eltchat |
rosemerebard |
12:56 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @adi_rajan 2 thirds of the lesson seems excessive to me - sb's not able to control things if so #eltchat > for me too. |
Acquk |
12:56 PM |
@Marisa_C Thanks for the great language awareness raising activity! Poor translations are not hard to come by ;-) #eltchat |
rosemerebard |
12:56 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @adi_rajan 2 thirds of the lesson seems excessive to me - sb's not able to control things if so #eltchat |
jobethsteel |
12:56 PM |
RT @rosemerebard: @robertmclarty: #eltchat Isn't use of L1 the only real proof of understanding of..?> not sure real proof, using it ... |
rosemerebard |
12:56 PM |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @BrunoELT @Marisa_C Exactly. this happens in bilingual families all the time with code switching. #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
12:57 PM |
When do you need the summary? Should have some time next week. #eltchat |
AlexandraKouk |
12:57 PM |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: Just did an error correction auction with typical Germanisms they had to find and fix. Fun and instructive. #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
12:58 PM |
@adi_rajan great book which i have unfortunately lost from my library :-( #eltchat |
rosemerebard |
12:58 PM |
RT @AlexandraKouk: Useful tips on how to handle L1's negative side in Learner English http://t.co/lNNPgn8SXZ #eltchat |
adi_rajan |
12:58 PM |
This topic just reminded me that I own a desperately unloved copy of Rinvolucri's Using the Mother Tongue. #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
12:58 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe Well if you have time then that's be great @Marisa_C #ELTchat |
rosemerebard |
12:59 PM |
RT @BobK99: RT @Shaunwilden: @rosemerebard @Marisa_C and these days apps can be the vocab notebook #eltchat > CAN be hidden receptacl ... |
AlexandraKouk |
12:59 PM |
RT @adi_rajan: This topic just reminded me that I own a desperately unloved copy of Rinvolucri's Using the Mother Tongue. #eltchat |
AlexandraKouk |
12:59 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @adi_rajan :-) It reminded me of translation by alan duff which is sat on the shelf above me :-) #ELTchat |
adi_rajan |
12:59 PM |
@rosemerebard @Marisa_C I've never taught using L1 but observed this in a class at a state school. #ELTchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
12:59 PM |
@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C OK - will do this one as I haven't done one in ages. Let me know when summary is done. #eltchat |
rosemerebard |
12:59 PM |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: How many of you code switch at home when it is faster? Just curious. We do all the time. #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
12:59 PM |
@adi_rajan :-) It reminded me of translation by alan duff which is sat on the shelf above me :-) #ELTchat |
jobethsteel |
1:00 PM |
#eltchat Great chat. Thanks mods and everyone. Will try to get colleague to join tonight's over dinner. :-) |
Shaunwilden |
1:00 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe Research in the class – doing it and using it for improving your teaching. #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
1:00 PM |
@Shaunwilden @adi_rajan but Duff's book is on how to teach translators tho some great activities in there too #ELTchat |
rosemerebard |
1:00 PM |
RT @adi_rajan: @MarjorieRosenbe code switch all the time, between languages, dialects, accents, registers. #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
1:00 PM |
What's the topic tonight? #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
1:01 PM |
Tonight's #eltchat at 21GMT Research in the class – doing it and using it for improving your teaching. |
rosemerebard |
1:01 PM |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: So when we forbid L1 we are actually going against something we do naturally. #eltchat yeah, every one does it right? |
BobK99 |
1:01 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @MarjorieRosenbe Well if you have time then that's be great @Marisa_C #ELTchat >That's B... great? Thx all for weekly fix! |
rosemerebard |
1:01 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Idea: take a poorly translated text and get Ss to think of it in their L1 then rewrite it properly in L2 #ELTchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
1:01 PM |
@Shaunwilden Interesting and fits what we did last semester. |
adi_rajan |
1:01 PM |
@Marisa_C @Shaunwilden True that! #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
1:01 PM |
@Marisa_C yes it was the activities I was reminded of can make good use of L1 in the ELT classroom #eltchat |
rosemerebard |
1:02 PM |
RT @Acquk: @Marisa_C Thanks for the great language awareness raising activity! Poor translations are not hard to come by ;-) #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
1:02 PM |
See you all this evening (well most of you) #ELTchat |
rosemerebard |
1:02 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Translation a great way to teach reported speech too! E.g. at the customs or elswhere - SA cannot speak English #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
1:02 PM |
@Acquk #eltchat Here is my favorite poorly translated text in an old post of mine http://t.co/E3Wu4cLOy8 Enjoy PlayPol #ELTchat :-D |
MarjorieRosenbe |
1:02 PM |
thanks everyone - back to work. till later! #eltchat |
Acquk |
1:02 PM |
Thanks for the great #eltchat! Have a nice day/afternoon/evening! |
AlexandraKouk |
1:02 PM |
RT @jobethsteel: #eltchat Great chat. Thanks mods and everyone :-) |
rosemerebard |
1:04 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @Shaunwilden @adi_rajan but Duff's book is on how to teach translators tho some great activities in there too #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
1:04 PM |
Is it over already ??? Thanks to all for joining! Had a great time - will get transcript out to you soon and see u this evening #ELTchat |
rosemerebard |
1:04 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @adi_rajan :-) It reminded me of translation by alan duff which is sat on the shelf above me :-) #ELTchat |
rosemerebard |
1:05 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @Acquk #eltchat Here is my favorite poorly translated text in an old post of mine http://t.co/E3Wu4cLOy8 Enjoy PlayPol # ... |
english247 |
1:05 PM |
Pre-intermediate #English reading - #Easter in the UK and The USA http://t.co/792y6qI5CR #engpls #twinglish #esl #easter #eltchat #yl #kids |
rosemerebard |
1:05 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @MarjorieRosenbe Research in the class – doing it and using it for improving your teaching. #eltchat another great one! |
rosemerebard |
1:06 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: See you all this evening (well most of you) #ELTchat thank you all for the great discussion/reflection :) See you l8r :) |
GatewaytoSkills |
1:11 PM |
67-pages of free #clipart for #ESL #teachers http://t.co/3fKRPM6AUu #ellchat #eltchat #edchat #isedchat #altedchat #ukedchat |
Acquk |
1:12 PM |
@Marisa_C Thanks for the link! :-) #eltchat |
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