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The use of the sts mother tongue in the classroom  pros, cons and best practices

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This is the transcript of #eltchat on 20.02.2013 on - The use of the sts mother tongue in the classroom ‚ pros, cons and best practices.

 

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Shaunwilden 12:00 PM The 12 GMT #eltchat is The use of the Ss‚Äô mother tongue in the classroom ‚Äì pros, cons and best practices.  Welcome all
Marisa_C 12:02 PM Hello everyone - who is ready to join this #ELTchat ?
jobethsteel 12:03 PM #eltchat Here but working.  This time not good for me any more.  Hence bad typing as on second laptop!
Marisa_C 12:03 PM @jobethsteel hi there and welcome  #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:03 PM @rosemerebard good to see you Rose  #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:03 PM So anyone have any thoughts on mother tongue use? #eltchat
jobethsteel 12:03 PM #eltchat Hello all.  Here but working.  This time ios
rosemerebard 12:03 PM #eltchat Finally have my routine organized and lucky me no classes on Wed. I can participate in #eltchat whenever possible. Good to be here.
jobethsteel 12:04 PM @Marisa_C  ta. #eltchat
BobK99 12:04 PM @Shaunwilden  @Marisa_C #eltchat Last c/rm teaching I did was 5 yrs ago, so I imagine I'll be taking a back seat again.
Marisa_C 12:04 PM @jobethsteel no worries - we will edit  #eltchat
rosemerebard 12:04 PM #eltchat Thanks Marisa. this is very interesting topic and I look forward to it. I use L1 in class as part of my teaching practice.
LTLLblog 12:05 PM @Shaunwilden it takes experience to know how and when to use it effectively. #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:05 PM RT @rosemerebard: #eltchat. this is very interesting topic and I look forward to it. I use L1 in class as part of my teaching practice.
jobethsteel 12:05 PM #eltchat I am for it when necessary.
Marisa_C 12:06 PM RT @AlexandraKouk: Using L1 in class used to be a no-no - no longer the case?  #eltchat>  a no no in ALM and Direct  Method days
MarjorieRosenbe 12:06 PM Just got home. what's the topic? #eltchat
AlexandraKouk 12:06 PM Using L1 in class used to be a no-no - no longer the case?  #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:06 PM RT @LTLLblog: @Shaunwilden it takes experience to know how and when to use it effectively. #eltchat > so new Ts should avoid it?
jobethsteel 12:06 PM RT @LTLLblog: @Shaunwilden it takes experience to know how and when to use it effectively. #eltchat
jobethsteel 12:07 PM #eltchat Useful at higher levels too for nuance and subtleties.
MarjorieRosenbe 12:07 PM Found it. I use L1 occasionally to quickly translate a word when explaining it would take longer. #eltchat
rosemerebard 12:07 PM RT @LTLLblog: @Shaunwilden it takes experience to know how and when to use it effectively. #eltchat agree with that.
Marisa_C 12:07 PM Many Ts fear the stigma of being branded a Grammar Translation T #eltchat so avoid it altogether
dennis_p37 12:07 PM RT @Marisa_C: One more blog post on the use of L1 by Steve Brown http://t.co/6gBO7ggknW #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 12:07 PM @MarjorieRosenbe The use of the Ss’ mother tongue in the classroom – pros, cons and best practices. #eltchat
LTLLblog 12:07 PM @Marisa_C Yes, with lower levels it can be invaluable. #eltchat
CotterHUE 12:07 PM Positive: Lower-level students may need more info on aspect of the new material, but not have the language in L2. #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:08 PM @rosemerebard Can the principles of when to use or not use be taught to novice Ts?  #eltchat  They learn much more complex stuff than this!!
MarjorieRosenbe 12:08 PM I get to compare quickly translating to explaining when I have classes with non-native speakers of German. Takes longer. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:09 PM RT @AlexandraKouk: Seems like the how to use L1 in class is the question, not whether it should be used at all #eltchat
AlexandraKouk 12:09 PM Seems like the how to use L1 in class is the question, not whether it should be used at all #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:09 PM Homwork and tests are all in English (I teach B1 and upwards) so only use it for expediency. #eltchat
rosemerebard 12:09 PM #eltchat I don't think they should avoid it, they need the time to consider that carefully in their planning and reflection on it constantly
BobK99 12:09 PM MT| @Shaunwilden  #eltchat ...pros, cons and best practices. > Con: CAN be an ego trip for the teacher! ;-)
CotterHUE 12:09 PM Ss say a sentence in L1 &teacher translates for future use/reference. Good w/incidental language like singular phrase/sentence. #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:10 PM In pair or group work they are welcome to check a bilingual dictionary on their phones - we discuss it all afterwards as well. #eltchat
jobethsteel 12:10 PM #eltchat T needs to know the lang well enough too.
Marisa_C 12:10 PM @MarjorieRosenbe define expediency pls - one of the things we should discuss #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:11 PM @Marisa_C Well it would seem easier to use in a monolingual class than a multi one #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:11 PM RT @jobethsteel: #eltchat T needs to know the lang well enough too. > not really  - Google Translate?
Shaunwilden 12:11 PM RT @Marisa_C: When is it important or when will the use fo L1  help #ELTchat
Marisa_C 12:11 PM When is it important or when will the use fo L1  help #ELTchat
AlexandraKouk 12:12 PM we're talking abt monolingual classes in a non-English speaking country? #eltchat Then difficult 2 come up w/ meaning context 4 using L2
MarjorieRosenbe 12:12 PM @Marisa_C For quick understanding of term or sometimes to compare differences or point out similarities between L1 & L2. #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:12 PM Ts who spoke no other languages in the past would support the view of  not using L1 in class #ELTchat
LTLLblog 12:12 PM @AlexandraKouk True. When do people think it is 'justified' to use L1? #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:13 PM @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C Exactly - that's when I have the long explanations. #eltchat major difference between ELT & ESL IMHO.
rosemerebard 12:13 PM RT @Marisa_C: Can the principles of when to use or...  #eltchat  Not be taught, it is sth every teacher need to decide and live by
Marisa_C 12:13 PM RT @jobethsteel: @Marisa_C  Haven't used it.  That accurate? >  Not sure  - but did the job when I did use it  (can't speak Farsi) #ELTchat
CotterHUE 12:14 PM RT @BobK99: MT| @Shaunwilden  #eltchat ...pros, cons and best practices. > Con: CAN be an ego trip for the teacher! ;-)
MarjorieRosenbe 12:14 PM @AlexandraKouk Depends on level. I point out that they are listening to me in English so they must be thinking in English. #eltchat
AlexandraKouk 12:14 PM * meaningful context #eltchat
rosemerebard 12:15 PM RT @annapires: How is use of L1 viewed in CELTA courses? #eltchat Good question Anna. I take my own experience and the benefits of it though
MarjorieRosenbe 12:15 PM I have replaced teachers who didn't have command of German - companies weren't happy. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:15 PM @annapires It was not allowed on the ones  I worked one #eltchat
AlexandraKouk 12:15 PM @MarjorieRosenbe Was thinking more of meaningful activities when communicating in pairs/ groups -> more natural for them to use L1 #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:15 PM So to sum up - so far the functions of L1 use can be to 1/check comp 2/clarify & compare L1 vs L2 ... #ELTchat - any more?
annapires 12:15 PM How is use of L1 viewed in CELTA courses? #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:15 PM @MarjorieRosenbe @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C Sorry, meant EFL and ESL - typing and eating, not good combo. #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:16 PM @annapires Attitudes changing but still many tutors and assessors who would rather not hear ANY L1 during TP #ELTchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:16 PM @Marisa_C Help over a stumbling block - is this clarify? #eltchat
CotterHUE 12:16 PM Con: Teacher isnt skilled in students native language, and provides (slightly) wrong translation or instructions. #eltchat
jobethsteel 12:16 PM @annapires encourage trainees not to depend on it at first - so can learn to do that #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:16 PM RT @annapires: How is use of L1 viewed in CELTA courses? #eltchat > Just been having this discussion on the CELTA trainers board
MarjorieRosenbe 12:17 PM @AlexandraKouk Right but I try to get them back to L2 with variety of ways. #eltchat
PatrickAndrews 12:17 PM @Marisa_C yes think that is a good point.  Those who only speak one Lang are very keen on monolingual ism in class #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:17 PM @jobethsteel Both valuable skills - learn not to depend on L1 and learn to use it wisely - I think #ELTchat
rosemerebard 12:17 PM RT @Marisa_C: So to sum up - so far ... #ELTchat - any more? Learner training. I do that and helps explaining lower level Ss how to,
Shaunwilden 12:17 PM @CotterHUE yes thats is a problem but if they work with the class it can often be overcome #eltchat
jobethsteel 12:18 PM RT @PatrickAndrews: @Marisa_C yes think that is a good point.  Those who only speak one Lang are very keen on monolingual ism in class # ...
Marisa_C 12:18 PM @rosemerebard Learner training - e.g. BEFORE the lesson begins you do the LTR? #ELTchat - done it myself with YLs
AlexandraKouk 12:18 PM RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @AlexandraKouk Right but I try to get them back to L2 with variety of ways. #eltchat
CotterHUE 12:19 PM RT @Marisa_C: @jobethsteel Both valuable skills - learn not to depend on L1 and learn to use it wisely - I think #ELTchat
rosemerebard 12:19 PM Re: Was thinking + of meaningful acts when communicating in pairs/ groups -> + natural use L1 #eltchat this is the time when L1 not allowed
Marisa_C 12:19 PM @PatrickAndrews Indeed!! #ELTchat - got a job to protect
jobethsteel 12:19 PM RT @rosemerebard: RT @Marisa_C: So to sum up - so far ... #ELTchat - any more? Learner training. I do that and helps explaining lower le ...
Marisa_C 12:20 PM @jenmacJennifer Good point - with my Ss from Afghanistan - stronger Ss asked to help by translating instructions #ELTchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:20 PM I also give examples of my whoppers in German to relax them and get over fears of making mistakes. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:20 PM @annapires @Marisa_C Yes the linguistic gymnastics they go thru to avoid L1 is often painful to watch (but amusing :-)) #eltchat
rosemerebard 12:20 PM #eltchat I plan activities carefully in a way that L2 should be top priority, and use L1 for other moments when necessary only. otherwise L2
annapires 12:20 PM @Marisa_C Newly qualified trs go to great lengths to avoid L1 in classroom. Quite painful observing sometimes. #ELTchat
Marisa_C 12:21 PM @annapires Have gone through those gymnastics myself in my far and distant past :-D #ELTchat A killer smtms #ELTchat
annapires 12:21 PM Great activity in Inside Out Int resource book called the Translator (I think) for reported speech which uses L1 #ELTchat
rosemerebard 12:21 PM RT @Marisa_C: @jobethsteel Both valuable skills - learn not to depend on L1 and learn to use it wisely - I think #ELTchat totally agree.
jobethsteel 12:21 PM RT @MarjorieRosenbe: I also give examples of my whoppers in German to relax them and get over fears of making mistakes. #eltchat Me too!
PatrickAndrews 12:21 PM @Marisa_C Phillipson nailed the monolingual ism myth about 20 years ago #eltchat
BobK99 12:21 PM @annapires  #eltchat Badly, in my exp.e (2006). About half of my class were not NS of Eng (Sp and Fr, I thk) and even THEY were warned off
MarjorieRosenbe 12:22 PM @PatrickAndrews and is wonderful rapport builder - puts us in the same boat. #eltchat
Acquk 12:22 PM Happy to be able to join #Eltchat, albeit a bit late!
annapires 12:22 PM @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C But a waste of class time, no? #ELTchat
CotterHUE 12:22 PM Technical/cultural explanations in L1 of Ss may be more useful. Same, discussing a specific skill or point where L2 isnt needed. #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:22 PM RT @PatrickAndrews: @Marisa_C Phillipson nailed the monolingual ism myth about 20 years ago #eltchat > Thanks for that comment P- he did!
PatrickAndrews 12:22 PM @MarjorieRosenbe yes and shows interest in their language #eltchat
StanzaSL 12:23 PM RT @Marisa_C: One more blog post on the use of L1 by Steve Brown http://t.co/6gBO7ggknW #ELTchat
Marisa_C 12:23 PM @MarjorieRosenbe Another great comment thanks Marjorie - esp YL's need their L1 on occasion for affective reasons!!! #ELTchat
annapires 12:23 PM @Marisa_C Hahaha...me too! Especially when I was being observed! ;) #ELTchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:23 PM @annapires @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C Must get the grey cells working hard. #eltchat
BobK99 12:23 PM MT @CotterHUE: Con: Teacher isnt skilled in Ss native lang... (slightly) wrong translation or instructions. #eltchat > Easily done:)
Shaunwilden 12:23 PM @annapires @Marisa_C Yes absolutely #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:23 PM @annapires @Shaunwilden Absoutely! #ELTchat wasting time cavorting in L2 I call it
Shaunwilden 12:24 PM @BrunoELT tut tut brno only topic related tweets please #eltchat
rosemerebard 12:24 PM #eltchat hard 4 Ss to see L1 just a support 2 learn instead of a crutches. So, I'm firm on the L2 use in class.
harrisonmike 12:24 PM via @willycard Open Space professional development: On 8 March I had the pleasure to host an... http://t.co/SYFo7moIuG #elt #eltchat #fb
annapires 12:25 PM Does anyone use Google Transltor in class? #ELTchat
Acquk 12:25 PM I find translation can be an effective method of raising language awareness in a monolingual classroom #eltchat
rosemerebard 12:26 PM RT @Marisa_C: @rosemerebard Learner training - #ELTchat - b4 certain activities as quick as possible or through notebook messages.
Marisa_C 12:26 PM RT @Acquk: I find translation can be an effective method of raising language awareness in a monolingual classroom #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:26 PM Yesterday amused group with how I learned dative pronouns in German while on the NYC subway. Gives idea of how to work on L2. #eltchat
LTLLblog 12:27 PM @MarjorieRosenbe @patrickandrews Re rapport building in EFL, if we use L1 then we are not just a 'foreign mercenary'. #eltchat
jobethsteel 12:27 PM RT @annapires: Does anyone use Google Transltor in class? #ELTchat@annapires @marisa-C says she has.
BobK99 12:27 PM @MarjorieRosenbe  #eltchat re whoppers: my CELTA teacher thrown out of an epicerie for asking about 'preservatifs' in biscuits ;-)
CotterHUE 12:27 PM RT @MarjorieRosenbe: Yesterday amused group with how I learned dative pronouns in German while on the NYC subway. Gives idea of how to w ...
StanzaSL 12:27 PM RT @Marisa_C: A little bit of pre-reading for the topic of our #ELTchat today on using our Ss' L1 http://t.co/EZKvtqxjOW via @sueswift
Marisa_C 12:27 PM @Acquk Hence the value of using Contrastive Analysis for language awareness #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 12:27 PM @annapires not yet though I can see lots of ways it could be used - do you? #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:27 PM @Acquk Also very true - certainly shows differences. #eltchat - makes them think, always a plus.
Marisa_C 12:28 PM Must put up a link to Philipson's "Linguistic Imperialism" in Google books and I think a must-read for Ts http://t.co/QySKHo6QEn #ELTchat
BobK99 12:28 PM RT @PatrickAndrews: @Marisa_C Phillipson nailed the monolingual ism myth about 20 years ago #eltchat > Link?
rosemerebard 12:28 PM RT @Marisa_C: @jenmacJennifer Good point -  stronger Ss asked to help by translating instructions #ELTchat I do that too. Ss help each on it
rosemerebard 12:29 PM RT @Marisa_C: RT @PatrickAndrews: @Marisa_C Phillipson nailed the monolingual ism myth about 20 years ago #eltchat > Thanks for that  ...
MarjorieRosenbe 12:29 PM @BobK99 Did the same here with orange juice - they told me they sold it in a bottle, not in a ... #eltchat
annapires 12:29 PM @Shaunwilden I let sts refer to it while working on tasks, just like in the past when taking Port-Eng dictionaries to class. #ELTchat
CotterHUE 12:30 PM Pro: Students build real skills, like how to repair communication breakdowns, when solely using L2. #eltchat
LTLLblog 12:30 PM @annapires No, but we do use an online dictionary on which Ss can write Chinese characters if needs be. #eltchat
oyajimbo 12:30 PM It’s all about reading – Teaching Village http://t.co/U84ZeauHuJ #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:30 PM A comment on the use of L1 by Jack Richards http://t.co/Ru1DtiOB6t #ELTchat
AlexandraKouk 12:31 PM RT @Marisa_C: And a great review by @thornburyscott  on Guy Cook' s book - leading figure http://t.co/6N5QkmvSk2 #ELTchat
rosemerebard 12:31 PM RT @BobK99: MT @CotterHUE: Con: Teacher isnt skilled in Ss native lang... (slightly) wrong translation or instructions. #eltchat > Ea ...
MarjorieRosenbe 12:31 PM @Marisa_C  I meant to move the lesson along - hope I am using it correctly, not get bogged down. #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:31 PM And a great review by @thornburyscott  on Guy Cook' s book - leading figure http://t.co/6N5QkmvSk2 #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 12:31 PM @annapires It is notoriously inaccurate  though is it not? #eltchat
CotterHUE 12:32 PM @jobethsteel Google translator not so good for Japanese <> English. #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:32 PM RT @LTLLblog: @annapires No, but we do use an online dictionary on which Ss can write Chinese characters if needs be. #eltchat
PatrickAndrews 12:32 PM RT @Marisa_C: Must put up a link to Philipson's "Linguistic Imperialism" in Google books and I think a must-read for Ts http://t.co/QySK ...
Acquk 12:32 PM RT @Marisa_C: Must put up a link to Philipson's "Linguistic Imperialism" in Google books and I think a must-read for Ts http://t.co/QySK ...
Marisa_C 12:33 PM RT @LTLLblog: Nice activity with L1 is to ask Ss to trans. L2 text to L1 at start of class then retrans. at the end. Sure it has a prope ...
MarjorieRosenbe 12:33 PM L1 also vital when explaining 'false friends' #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:33 PM @CotterHUE Many translator sites have translators like Babel Fish etc #eltchat
LTLLblog 12:33 PM Nice activity with L1 is to ask Ss to trans. L2 text to L1 at start of class then retrans. at the end. Sure it has a proper name #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:34 PM RT @BrunoELT: #eltchat specially when it comes to YL who are beginners, L1 comes in handy for instructions ...but  gradlly dimishd
MarjorieRosenbe 12:34 PM Keep explaining that a 'beamer' in English is probably NOT understood as a data projector, but a car, for example. #eltchat
annapires 12:34 PM @Shaunwilden Yes, but I'm around to help out. Though wondering how we cld use it as a tool. Sts use it all the time outside class. #ELTchat
rosemerebard 12:34 PM RT @Marisa_C: RT @Acquk: I find translation can be an effective method of raising language awareness in a monolingual classroom #eltchat
AlexandraKouk 12:35 PM RT @MarjorieRosenbe: L1 also vital when explaining 'false friends' #eltchat
CotterHUE 12:35 PM Ss can use their L1 to ask questions & confirm comprehension it may lead to clearer realization of the form&meaning. #eltchat
AlexandraKouk 12:35 PM RT @Marisa_C: A comment on the use of L1 by Jack Richards http://t.co/Ru1DtiOB6t #ELTchat
jobethsteel 12:35 PM RT @CotterHUE: @jobethsteel Google translator not so good for Japanese <> English. #eltchat Haven't used will check out and decide.
Marisa_C 12:36 PM If you can speak ur Ss' L1 in a mono-L class - tell them a story in L1 - they write it in L2 and then read the original #eltchat  TBL or nt?
PatrickAndrews 12:36 PM @BobK99 @marisa_c the book Linguistic Imperialism plus many other sources #eltchat
CotterHUE 12:36 PM @marisa_c But all of these translator sites are terrible for Japanese <> English. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:36 PM @annapires Mind you its no worse than some of the 'translation' dictionaries sts buy.  #eltchat
annapires 12:37 PM Watched Mario Rinvolucri demo a great storytelling activity with use of L1 #eltchat
rosemerebard 12:37 PM RT @annapires: @Shaunwilden I let sts refer to it while working on tasks, just like in the past when taking Port-Eng dictionaries to cla ...
rosemerebard 12:37 PM RT @BrunoELT: #eltchat  L1 comes in handy for instructions and rule delivery and should be gradlly dimish> I do that and use it 2 present L2
Marisa_C 12:38 PM @annapires is it the one where he tells a story in L2 with occasional words in L1 ? - new words? #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:38 PM @Acquk Or the Austrian 'pullunder' for a sleeveless sweater (US sweater vest). UK? #eltchat
rosemerebard 12:38 PM RT @Marisa_C: And a great review by @thornburyscott  on Guy Cook' s book - leading figure http://t.co/6N5QkmvSk2 #ELTchat
Marisa_C 12:38 PM RT @annapires: Watched Mario Rinvolucri demo a great storytelling activity with use of L1 #eltchat > u re on my mind was just thinking of hm
PatrickAndrews 12:38 PM @BrunoELT @marisa_c @thornburyscott Guy Cook is a good writer #eltchat
rosemerebard 12:39 PM RT @Marisa_C: @CotterHUE Many translator sites have translators like Babel Fish etc #eltchat
rosemerebard 12:40 PM RT @Marisa_C: @CotterHUE translator sites have translators #eltchat I havnt seen the use of them by Ss helping them improve at all.
MarjorieRosenbe 12:40 PM 'What's tonight's topic? #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:40 PM What about how Ss use L1 in their notebooks? They do so anyway whether u OK or not - any ways of training them to use best? #eltchat
annapires 12:40 PM Have to go feed son! Hope to join you for this evening's chat. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:41 PM RT @Marisa_C: What about how Ss use L1 in their notebooks? They do so anyway whether u OK or not - any ways of training them to use best ...
LTLLblog 12:41 PM @Marisa_C @brunoelt you're right, lot of my instructions come in English with learners giving them back to in L1 for me to check. #eltchat
annapires 12:41 PM @Marisa_C Yes, After watching him I felt a lot more comfortable using L1 with my sts. #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 12:41 PM @annapires See you this evening when I think we're talking research #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:41 PM @annapires great to have you back Anna :-)  #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:42 PM @LTLLblog  #eltchat L1 as a checking device - and making sure weaker Ss get it
annapires 12:42 PM @Marisa_C Great to be back! See you later! @Shaunwilden #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 12:42 PM @Marisa_C I used to look at that in first lessons with sts showing them other ways to record #eltchat
rosemerebard 12:42 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @annapires Mind you its no worse than some of the 'translation' dictionaries sts buy.  #eltchat > true
Shaunwilden 12:43 PM @Marisa_C Well most but many arent aware of different ways they could record so it is useful to do #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:43 PM @Marisa_C If they learn the vocab and can use it they can record it anyway they like. #eltchat.
rosemerebard 12:43 PM RT @annapires: Watched Mario Rinvolucri demo a great storytelling activity with use of L1 #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:43 PM @Shaunwilden yes - very worthy I'm sure but inevitable that Ss WILL use it - no? #eltchat
jobethsteel 12:44 PM #eltchat From all posts so far seems to me learner training vital.
MarjorieRosenbe 12:44 PM Am in middle of research project with learning styles which also addresse how sts learn vocab. #eltchat
zhenglizhou 12:44 PM RT @Marisa_C: RT @BrunoELT: #eltchat specially when it comes to YL who are beginners, L1 comes in handy for instructions ...but  gradlly ...
AlexandraKouk 12:44 PM for language awareness-  get Ss to record their most common L1 transfer errors, ie. collocations, tense usage etc. #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:44 PM @BrunoELT Can be both if one St ALWAYS relying on L1 - have seen this happen too #eltchat
SueAnnan 12:44 PM RT @MarjorieRosenbe: 'What's tonight's topic? #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:44 PM 'Asked my CAE class to share ideas on learning vocab yesterday - all had different methods. #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:45 PM @BrunoELT Have had to separate a student from his interpreted once :-D  #eltchat
rosemerebard 12:45 PM RT @Marisa_C: What about how Ss use L1 in their notebooks? any ways of training them to use best? #eltchat Picturenary? cut from magazines?
MarjorieRosenbe 12:45 PM @Marisa_C @BrunoELT they always need to get the word off the page and USE it. #eltchat
CotterHUE 12:45 PM RT @AlexandraKouk: for language awareness-  get Ss to record their most common L1 transfer errors, ie. collocations, tense usage etc. #e ...
Shaunwilden 12:45 PM RT @jobethsteel: #eltchat From all posts so far seems to me learner training vital.
Marisa_C 12:45 PM RT @jobethsteel: #eltchat From all posts so far seems to me learner training vital. > absolutely
Shaunwilden 12:45 PM @MarjorieRosenbe Sounds interesting :-) #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:45 PM RT @AlexandraKouk: for language awareness-  get Ss to record their most common L1 transfer errors, ie. collocations, tenses etc. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:46 PM @rosemerebard @Marisa_C and these days apps can be the vocab notebook #eltchat
rosemerebard 12:46 PM RT @Marisa_C: @LTLLblog  #eltchat L1 as a checking device - and making sure weaker Ss get it
Marisa_C 12:46 PM I meant 'interpreter" #Eltchat
jobethsteel 12:46 PM RT @Marisa_C: @BrunoELT Have had to separate a student from his interpreted once :-D  #eltchat lol!
Marisa_C 12:46 PM @rosemerebard picture records - and online tools very useful  #eltchat
rosemerebard 12:46 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C I used to look at that in first lessons with sts showing them other ways to record #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:46 PM @Shaunwilden Will talk a bit about it at IATEFL - Thursday presentation. #eltchat
AlexandraKouk 12:46 PM Ss need to know when L1 is their friend and when not #eltchat
rosemerebard 12:46 PM RT @LTLLblog: @Marisa_C @brunoelt you're right, lot of my instructions come in English with learners giving them back to in L1 for me to ...
BobK99 12:47 PM @MarjorieRosenbe  #eltchat Re vocab: most (?) dictionery software has a My Dictionary feature, where they can  add their own entries/cmts
MarjorieRosenbe 12:47 PM RT @AlexandraKouk: Ss need to know when L1 is their friend and when not #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:47 PM @MarjorieRosenbe Is that a subtle way of telling to come to the talk :-) #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:47 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @rosemerebard @Marisa_C and these days apps can be the vocab notebook #eltchat > any apps u can share?
Acquk 12:47 PM For vocab, many learners prefer L1-->L2 (I do). I think that learning method should be acknowledged even if it is not encouraged #eltchat
rosemerebard 12:48 PM RT @AlexandraKouk: Ss need to know when L1 is their friend and when not #eltchat
adi_rajan 12:48 PM I've always wondered how u can get Ss to switch out of the L1 for sp. activities if they've been using it for 2/3rds of the lesson? #eltchat
Acquk 12:48 PM http://t.co/jh5aeYitPl Vokabel is an android app for bilingual vocab training #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:48 PM @Marisa_C My fave vocab app is A+ spelling test - this is it on the uk itunes store #eltchat http://t.co/p2pGYDxtjj
MarjorieRosenbe 12:48 PM @Shaunwilden Just giving you the info - you are more than welcome however. #eltchat
rosemerebard 12:48 PM RT @Marisa_C: RT @jobethsteel: #eltchat From all posts so far seems to me learner training vital. > absolutely
EducationSITC 12:48 PM Should We Pay College Athletes? http://t.co/8iGoEcjhhF #eltchat #edtech #artsed #economics
AlexandraKouk 12:49 PM Useful tips on how to handle L1's negative side in Learner English    http://t.co/lNNPgn8SXZ #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:49 PM @MarjorieRosenbe I'll highlight it in my planner now :-) #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:49 PM @BrunoELT @Marisa_C Exactly. this happens in bilingual families all the time with code switching. #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:49 PM @adi_rajan 2 thirds of the lesson seems excessive to me - sb's not able to control things if so  #eltchat
rosemerebard 12:49 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @rosemerebard @Marisa_C and these days apps can be the vocab notebook #eltchat
robertmclarty 12:49 PM #eltchat Isn't use of L1 the only real proof of understanding of new grammar & vocab? For adults it is totally natural to take notes in L1.
MarjorieRosenbe 12:50 PM How many of you code switch at home when it is faster? Just curious. We do all the time. #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:50 PM @Acquk thanks Kristen, will tell my sts. #eltchat
AlexandraKouk 12:50 PM RT @adi_rajan: I've always wondered how u can get Ss to switch out of the L1 for sp. activities if they've been using it for 2/3rds of t ...
rosemerebard 12:51 PM RT @Acquk: http://t.co/jh5aeYitPl Vokabel is an android app for bilingual vocab training #eltchat
BobK99 12:51 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @rosemerebard @Marisa_C and these days apps can be the vocab notebook #eltchat > CAN be hidden receptacle/purveyor of error
andivwhite 12:51 PM Just got Tweetdeck working again and very happy to see #eltchat first thing!
rosemerebard 12:51 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C My fave vocab app is A+ spelling test - this is it on the uk itunes store #eltchat http://t.co/p2pGYDxtjj
Marisa_C 12:51 PM @MarjorieRosenbe At work - very often do codeswitching - cometimes confuse myself!!!! :-D  #eltchat
rosemerebard 12:51 PM RT @BobK99: @MarjorieRosenbe  #eltchat Re vocab: most (?) dictionery software has a My Dictionary feature, where they can  add their own ...
jobethsteel 12:51 PM RT @MarjorieRosenbe: How many of you code switch at home when it is faster? Just curious. We do all the time. #eltchat with friends defo
Shaunwilden 12:51 PM RT @MarjorieRosenbe: How many of you code switch at home when it is faster? Just curious. We do all the time. #eltchat
rosemerebard 12:51 PM RT @Marisa_C: RT @Shaunwilden: these days apps can be the vocab notebook #eltchat > any apps u can share?> No I'm still fishing for apps.
jobethsteel 12:52 PM #eltchat @marjorierosenbe Some words are just better in other languages eg chela better than beer!
MarjorieRosenbe 12:52 PM I also grew up with some code switching so for me it is pretty normal. #eltchat
Acquk 12:52 PM @MarjorieRosenbe No problem. It was actually my learners who introduced it to me!  #eltchat
adi_rajan 12:52 PM @MarjorieRosenbe code switch all the time, between languages, dialects, accents, registers. #eltchat
AlexandraKouk 12:52 PM RT @Marisa_C: @MarjorieRosenbe At work - very often do codeswitching - cometimes confuse myself!!!! :-D  #eltchat > same here!!!
Shaunwilden 12:53 PM RT @MarjorieRosenbe: So when we forbid L1 we are actually going against something we do naturally. #eltchat Quite
jobethsteel 12:53 PM RT @MarjorieRosenbe: So when we forbid L1 we are actually going against something we do naturally. #eltchat
rosemerebard 12:53 PM RT @adi_rajan: I've always wondered how u can get Ss to switch out of the L1 for sp. activities if they've been using it for 2/3rds of t ...
MarjorieRosenbe 12:53 PM So when we forbid L1 we are actually going against something we do naturally. #eltchat
rosemerebard 12:53 PM #eltchat not a fan of L1/L2 word translation though in my classroom. But can't avoid Ss doing it. Showing different ways helped in my class
Shaunwilden 12:54 PM RT @Marisa_C: Idea: take a poorly translated text and get Ss to think of it in their L1 then rewrite it properly in L2 #ELTchat
Marisa_C 12:54 PM Idea: take a poorly translated text and get Ss to think of it in their L1 then rewrite it properly in L2 #ELTchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:55 PM Just did an error correction auction with typical Germanisms they had to find and fix. Fun and instructive. #eltchat
rosemerebard 12:55 PM @robertmclarty: #eltchat Isn't use of L1 the only real proof of understanding of..?> not sure real proof, using it in the righ context also?
Shaunwilden 12:55 PM It's that time when we start to nag for summary writers #ELTchat
Marisa_C 12:55 PM Translation a great way to teach reported speech too!  E.g. at the customs or elswhere - SA cannot speak English #ELTchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:55 PM RT @Marisa_C: Idea: take a poorly translated text and get Ss to think of it in their L1 then rewrite it properly in L2 #ELTchat
andivwhite 12:55 PM @Marisa that's a great idea!  #eltchat
rosemerebard 12:56 PM RT @Marisa_C: @adi_rajan 2 thirds of the lesson seems excessive to me - sb's not able to control things if so  #eltchat > for me too.
Acquk 12:56 PM @Marisa_C Thanks for the great language awareness raising activity! Poor translations are not hard to come by ;-) #eltchat
rosemerebard 12:56 PM RT @Marisa_C: @adi_rajan 2 thirds of the lesson seems excessive to me - sb's not able to control things if so  #eltchat
jobethsteel 12:56 PM RT @rosemerebard: @robertmclarty: #eltchat Isn't use of L1 the only real proof of understanding of..?> not sure real proof, using it  ...
rosemerebard 12:56 PM RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @BrunoELT @Marisa_C Exactly. this happens in bilingual families all the time with code switching. #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:57 PM When do you need the summary?  Should have some time next week. #eltchat
AlexandraKouk 12:57 PM RT @MarjorieRosenbe: Just did an error correction auction with typical Germanisms they had to find and fix. Fun and instructive. #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:58 PM @adi_rajan great book which i have unfortunately lost from my library :-(  #eltchat
rosemerebard 12:58 PM RT @AlexandraKouk: Useful tips on how to handle L1's negative side in Learner English    http://t.co/lNNPgn8SXZ #eltchat
adi_rajan 12:58 PM This topic just reminded me that I own a desperately unloved copy of Rinvolucri's Using the Mother Tongue. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:58 PM @MarjorieRosenbe Well if you have time then that's be great @Marisa_C  #ELTchat
rosemerebard 12:59 PM RT @BobK99: RT @Shaunwilden: @rosemerebard @Marisa_C and these days apps can be the vocab notebook #eltchat > CAN be hidden receptacl ...
AlexandraKouk 12:59 PM RT @adi_rajan: This topic just reminded me that I own a desperately unloved copy of Rinvolucri's Using the Mother Tongue. #eltchat
AlexandraKouk 12:59 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @adi_rajan :-)  It reminded me of translation by alan duff which is sat on the shelf above me :-) #ELTchat
adi_rajan 12:59 PM @rosemerebard @Marisa_C I've never taught using L1 but observed this in a class at a state school. #ELTchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:59 PM @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C OK - will do this one as I haven't done one in ages. Let me know when summary is done. #eltchat
rosemerebard 12:59 PM RT @MarjorieRosenbe: How many of you code switch at home when it is faster? Just curious. We do all the time. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:59 PM @adi_rajan :-)  It reminded me of translation by alan duff which is sat on the shelf above me :-) #ELTchat
jobethsteel 1:00 PM #eltchat Great chat.  Thanks mods and everyone.  Will try to get colleague to join tonight's over dinner. :-)
Shaunwilden 1:00 PM @MarjorieRosenbe  Research in the class ‚Äì doing it and using it for improving your teaching. #eltchat
Marisa_C 1:00 PM @Shaunwilden @adi_rajan but Duff's book is on how to teach translators tho some great activities in there too #ELTchat
rosemerebard 1:00 PM RT @adi_rajan: @MarjorieRosenbe code switch all the time, between languages, dialects, accents, registers. #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 1:00 PM What's the topic tonight? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 1:01 PM Tonight's #eltchat at 21GMT  Research in the class ‚Äì doing it and using it for improving your teaching.
rosemerebard 1:01 PM RT @MarjorieRosenbe: So when we forbid L1 we are actually going against something we do naturally. #eltchat yeah, every one does it right?
BobK99 1:01 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @MarjorieRosenbe Well if you have time then that's be great @Marisa_C  #ELTchat >That's B... great? Thx all for weekly fix!
rosemerebard 1:01 PM RT @Marisa_C: Idea: take a poorly translated text and get Ss to think of it in their L1 then rewrite it properly in L2 #ELTchat
MarjorieRosenbe 1:01 PM @Shaunwilden Interesting and fits what we did last semester.
adi_rajan 1:01 PM @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden True that! #eltchat
Shaunwilden 1:01 PM @Marisa_C yes it was the activities I was reminded of can make good use of L1 in the ELT classroom #eltchat
rosemerebard 1:02 PM RT @Acquk: @Marisa_C Thanks for the great language awareness raising activity! Poor translations are not hard to come by ;-) #eltchat
Shaunwilden 1:02 PM See you all this evening (well most of you)  #ELTchat
rosemerebard 1:02 PM RT @Marisa_C: Translation a great way to teach reported speech too!  E.g. at the customs or elswhere - SA cannot speak English #ELTchat
Marisa_C 1:02 PM @Acquk  #eltchat  Here is my favorite poorly translated text in an old post of mine http://t.co/E3Wu4cLOy8 Enjoy PlayPol #ELTchat :-D
MarjorieRosenbe 1:02 PM thanks everyone - back to work. till later! #eltchat
Acquk 1:02 PM Thanks for the great #eltchat! Have a nice day/afternoon/evening!
AlexandraKouk 1:02 PM RT @jobethsteel: #eltchat Great chat.  Thanks mods and everyone :-)
rosemerebard 1:04 PM RT @Marisa_C: @Shaunwilden @adi_rajan but Duff's book is on how to teach translators tho some great activities in there too #ELTchat
Marisa_C 1:04 PM Is it over already ??? Thanks to all for joining! Had a great time - will get transcript out to you soon and see u this evening #ELTchat
rosemerebard 1:04 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @adi_rajan :-)  It reminded me of translation by alan duff which is sat on the shelf above me :-) #ELTchat
rosemerebard 1:05 PM RT @Marisa_C: @Acquk  #eltchat  Here is my favorite poorly translated text in an old post of mine http://t.co/E3Wu4cLOy8 Enjoy PlayPol # ...
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rosemerebard 1:05 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @MarjorieRosenbe  Research in the class ‚Äì doing it and using it for improving your teaching. #eltchat another great one!
rosemerebard 1:06 PM RT @Shaunwilden: See you all this evening (well most of you)  #ELTchat thank you all for the great discussion/reflection :) See you l8r :)
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Acquk 1:12 PM @Marisa_C Thanks for the link! :-) #eltchat

 

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