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| Marisa_C |
@SueAnnan @theteacherjames Hello and welcome ! #eltchat It's that time of the week again - ready for our 60 minute thrashing of ideas? |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:03:25 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@mkofab me too can we all lurk then #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:03:40 +0000 |
| teacherphili |
Good evening @theteacherjames @SueAnnan and any fellow lurkers. This is my first time for a long while. #ELTchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:03:43 +0000 |
| naomishema |
Hello #eltchat! Lurking a while too. |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:03:50 +0000 |
| vickyloras |
RT @BELTABelgium: We are proud to announce that our plenary speaker for the BELTA day on June 1st will be Philip Kerr. http://t.co/LX7YfQKFM0 #eltchat #iatefl |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:03:55 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@mkofab Good to see you here again :-) #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:03:57 +0000 |
| muranava |
hey all #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:04:02 +0000 |
| SueAnnan |
Yes. I don't know much about the subject though. Always ready to learn something #ELTchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:04:08 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
Where is that @LizziePinard who suggested this topic :-) #Eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:04:20 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@teacherphili Glad to see you back here Phil! #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:04:23 +0000 |
| teacherphili |
@SueAnnan me, too. did an essay on #corpora last year and did well, but have never used in teaching practice #ELTchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:04:53 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@teacherphili Hi Phil what was your focus then #corpora #ELTchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:05:17 +0000 |
| SueAnnan |
How would you use it in class? #ELTchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:05:29 +0000 |
| toulasklavou |
Hi everyone!#eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:05:54 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
First of all can we spend a few minutes clearing up some terms for those unfamiliar with corpus linguistics and using corpora #ELTchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:06:24 +0000 |
| teacherphili |
@Marisa_C I looked at the ways the phrase 'public interest' featured in newspapers and whether it was #primed' #ELTchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:06:44 +0000 |
| muranava |
i use it to focus my reading tasks in a vocab oriented class #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:06:52 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
Corpus (n sing) Corpora ( n plural) = a body of language #ELTchat (not a Greek word unfortunately :-) |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:07:09 +0000 |
| SueAnnan |
@muranava Can you explain how? #ELTChat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:07:22 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
I've dabbled with using corpora as a way of checking how English is really used. Real examples & I'm not trying on a hunch. #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:07:28 +0000 |
| How2TchEnglish |
Hi all, I've suggested it to my EAP students to use with the Academic word list, try to find examples of the word in use. #ELTchat. |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:07:31 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@How2TchEnglish which corpus are you using the BNC or other? #ELTchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:08:34 +0000 |
| teacherphili |
@theteacherjames and presumably the often unconcious ways in which certain words/phrases are used #ELTchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:08:47 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@teacherphili so your focus was linguistic analysis rather than classroom applications #ELTchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:09:11 +0000 |
| toulasklavou |
when I did my MA attended a terminography&terminology course, where we used special programs like the ones used 4 corpora#eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:09:30 +0000 |
| How2TchEnglish |
@How2TchEnglish Good for students to use in conjunction with a vocab notebook and promote learner autonomy. #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:09:32 +0000 |
| teacherphili |
@Marisa_C yes, for the purpose of this chat, 'fraid so (Linguistics). I'm mostly here to learn. #ELTchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:09:59 +0000 |
| vickyloras |
RT @Marisa_C: Corpus (n sing) Corpora ( n plural) = a body of language #ELTchat (not a Greek word unfortunately :-) |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:10:22 +0000 |
| bhrbahar |
@Marisa_C #eltchat filling gaps, some projects can be done with given words. |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:10:28 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
Can we perhaps mention some of the sources& links where one can access a language corpus - and how to look for specialist corpora #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:10:48 +0000 |
| muranava |
@SueAnnan use software to help me pick rel targets will detail in some upcoming blog posts , stay tuned! #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:11:14 +0000 |
| SueAnnan |
@muranava Thanks. Will watch out for it #ELTchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:11:47 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
RT @ManosSY: http://t.co/6zP69uBMwj is a collection of sites #ELTchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:12:07 +0000 |
| LizziePinard |
#eltchat hi all sorry am late! |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:12:09 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@LizziePinard hya lizzie was wasking after you #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:12:51 +0000 |
| bhrbahar |
@Marisa_C #eltchat http://t.co/HgAZNCPajl |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:12:52 +0000 |
| teacherphili |
is something like Collins Wordbanks a good example? http://t.co/DJi4H1Ksmu #ELTchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:12:57 +0000 |
| SueAnnan |
@LizziePinard Good. We're all lurkers tonight. LOL #ELTchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:13:03 +0000 |
| muranava |
post with some links for the doubters :) http://t.co/0sOS9p9tq5 #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:13:15 +0000 |
| toulasklavou |
one of the things we did was to find words used for specific genres#eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:13:18 +0000 |
| LizziePinard |
#eltchat anyone used concordances in class? and anyone used any non native speaker corpus e.g. VOICE? |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:13:48 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
Paul Nation has a good site twoo with a usful concordancer - Mano would you get it from the wiki? #ELtchat can't seem to do much |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:14:08 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
changing laptops #ELTchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:14:19 +0000 |
| toulasklavou |
I think corpora can help Ts identify vocab used for specific genres to help Ss use relevant vocab, good for upper int classes#eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:15:22 +0000 |
| teacherphili |
@muranava ah! a riposte to Hugh Dellar's corpora bashing that i was re-reading earlier http://t.co/i0N4eY3NEu #ELTchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:15:27 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@teacherphili Yes, & 'availability bias' (being affected by what we see/hear in how we perceive lang to be) http://t.co/qGRZ9sSD3q #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:15:34 +0000 |
| CotterHUE |
RT @muranava: post with some links for the doubters :) http://t.co/0sOS9p9tq5 #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:15:41 +0000 |
| LizziePinard |
RT @toulasklavou: I think corpora can help Ts identify vocab used for specific genres to help Ss use relevant vocab, good for upper int classes#eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:16:02 +0000 |
| vickyloras |
I've used this one thanks to @annapires http://t.co/Ir1DlxBiie #ELTChat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:16:06 +0000 |
| AngelCeuta |
“@english247: Easy song quizzes for learning #English http://t.co/Ualhr7elAW #esl #efl #twinglish #engpls #eltchat” |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:16:21 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
RT @vickyloras: I've used this one thanks to @annapires http://t.co/m5sgtc5AYP #ELTChat > AH thanks that's the one I was looking for |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:16:27 +0000 |
| LizziePinard |
@shaznosel which bit?! #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:16:37 +0000 |
| teflerinha |
RT @bnleez: Anyone have any thoughts on guessing meaning from context? #tillben #eltchat, http://t.co/jPhddysVOh |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:16:58 +0000 |
| eltcat |
Did someone say #eltcat .... Oh #eltchat meow mistake |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:17:34 +0000 |
| How2TchEnglish |
If no access to a corpus, google can help, type word with " " look at results to guess word class or meaning. #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:17:47 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
Here are some practical ideas for a 'genre balanced' Eng corpus http://t.co/KnlkyiCVku #ELTchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:17:49 +0000 |
| LizziePinard |
@shaznosel #eltchat it's a corpus made up from non native speaker production. I haven't used it yet just heard about it recently! |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:17:59 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@vickyloras @annapires Wow, they really need to hire a web designer! #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:18:19 +0000 |
| muranava |
also have a series of short examples to encrge tchr use of COCA http://t.co/0tgPw1RFAp #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:18:34 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@How2TchEnglish I used google a lot in checking frequencies etc esp in supporting translation studies #ELTchat and recommend it for checks |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:18:53 +0000 |
| Onestopenglish |
@Marisa_C @theteacherjames some of Jamie Keddie's articles on corpora might be of interest to you? #eltchat http://t.co/qWCnRFyZA5 |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:18:55 +0000 |
| vickyloras |
@theteacherjames @annapires Yeah ; ) #ELTChat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:19:14 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
RT @Onestopenglish: @Marisa_C @theteacherjames some of Jamie Keddie's articles on corpora might be of interest to you? #eltchat http://t.co/qWCnRFyZA5 |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:19:19 +0000 |
| muranava |
@Onestopenglish can you make that available w/o subscription? ;) #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:20:05 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
This is also a great corpus i use a lot The TIme American Corpus http://t.co/iXFJ9TLcv7 and has a great tutorial on how to use #ELTchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:20:20 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
RT @Onestopenglish: @Marisa_C @theteacherjames some of Jamie Keddie's articles on corpora might be of interest to you? #eltchat http://t.co/qWCnRFyZA5 |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:20:57 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@Onestopenglish these looked like free for all right ? #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:21:18 +0000 |
| How2TchEnglish |
@Marisa_C I'm not sure it counts as a corpus? is easier for students to access. #ELTchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:21:23 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
A long time ago, someone on #eltchat recommended the Scottish corpus website to me, & it is very nicely designed: http://t.co/1RXpRTfLYH |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:21:32 +0000 |
| teacherphili |
@Onestopenglish @Marisa_C @theteacherjames they're 'staffroom' access only, aren't they? #ELTchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:21:42 +0000 |
| LizziePinard |
#eltchat do you use corpora when making materials? |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:22:22 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
From Corpus to Classroom - CUP book with many useful ideas http://t.co/BxhDh1eGWy #ELTchat (and delta assignments too) |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:23:11 +0000 |
| LizziePinard |
RT @Marisa_C: From Corpus to Classroom - CUP book with many useful ideas http://t.co/BxhDh1eGWy #ELTchat (and delta assignments too) |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:23:22 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
I particularly like the collocate clouds on the Scottish corpus: http://t.co/K1cpLB8HXk #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:23:24 +0000 |
| CotterHUE |
RT @theteacherjames: A long time ago, someone on #eltchat recommended the Scottish corpus website to me, & it is very nicely designed: http://t.co/1RXpRTfLYH |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:23:37 +0000 |
| muranava |
imo tchrs need to play around with corpora first then go on to use it in class #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:23:40 +0000 |
| koenraad |
Also check out http://t.co/O29siVcGn5 if interested in #corpus based #ICALL applications #edtech #mfl #ELTchat #edia #flteach #EFL #mvto |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:23:46 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
So does anyone use any of these for #EAP students e..g to research how terms or texts of their genre are used? #ELTchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:24:24 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@shaznosel Where? #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:24:28 +0000 |
| CotterHUE |
@lizziepinard Occasionally when checking word frequency for an article I'm writing, but rarely I must admit. #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:24:48 +0000 |
| bhrbahar |
#eltchat http://t.co/zG5Ka0IZXA it is really informative. have a look at this article. |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:25:13 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
This is looking like a great parade of links here - thanks everyone! #ELTchat the book I suggested has some great ideas for classroom use 2 |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:25:22 +0000 |
| muranava |
@Marisa_C i use it with multi-media students #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:25:25 +0000 |
| LizziePinard |
@muranava @Marisa_C #eltchat how? |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:26:33 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
RT @muranava: @Marisa_C i use it with multi-media students #eltchat > what did u ask Ss to do |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:27:02 +0000 |
| LizziePinard |
#eltchat have you made a corpus out of ss work before and analysed it for errors? (I've not but recently heard of it being done) |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:28:04 +0000 |
| muranava |
@LizziePinard i use it to focus reading texts, e.g. word like "features", then collocates of that #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:28:58 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
Corpus can be used as a reference for the sts but also as a reference for the teacher to make sure they teaching the "correct" lang #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:29:06 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
#eltchat Which do you think is most useful for you? |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:29:13 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
Was just looking thru my iPhone & iPad and there are no apps for any of that!! #ELtchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:29:41 +0000 |
| toulasklavou |
@LizziePinard that sounds a great idea, an engaging activity#eltchat #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:29:44 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
RT @LizziePinard: #eltchat have you made a corpus out of ss work before and analysed it for errors? (I've not but recently heard of it being done) |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:30:23 +0000 |
| lexicojules |
@marisa_c Yes, I've used corpora with #EAP students, esp. popular with TESOL Ss, also appeals to Comp Sc and Engineering Ss #ELTchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:30:53 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@LizziePinard If there is software to do that easily, that would be a fascinating thing to do. #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:31:13 +0000 |
| lexicojules |
@lizziepinard I started a few years ago, but didn't keep it up #ELTchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:31:52 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
You can create your own corpus - e.g. of transcribed learner language or classroom language - anything #ELTchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:32:03 +0000 |
| LizziePinard |
@theteacherjames you just have to input it, save it as plain text and then use word tools or some software like that to analyse it!#eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:32:15 +0000 |
| harrisonmike |
@theteacherjames gotta be careful which corpus you're using then!! #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:32:25 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@shaznosel I can't imagine using a corpus with kids (but I'm no expert) & adults can handle if it warned! How do you feel about it? #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:32:26 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@harrisonmike Absolutely. Hence the quotation marks on correct. #bagofworms #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:33:18 +0000 |
| LizziePinard |
#eltchat you could make a corpus out of your course book and then compare it to a corpus like BNC or whatever…. |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:33:25 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@LizziePinard You make it sound easy! I wonder how you would analyse it. #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:33:56 +0000 |
| lexicojules |
@lizziepinard Much easier now Ss submit a lot of work electronically. Although searching for errors systematically is less simple #ELTchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:34:06 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@LizziePinard true - could not find any tools on the web though the book suggests Wordfast #ELTchat Any suggestions? |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:34:23 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@Marisa_C Should we create a corpus based on #eltchat conversations? :-) |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:34:33 +0000 |
| LizziePinard |
@theteacherjames #eltchat hahahaha yet I am also so clueless. I haven't applied the theory to practice yet only just met it! |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:34:36 +0000 |
| LizziePinard |
RT @theteacherjames: @Marisa_C Should we create a corpus based on #eltchat conversations? :-) |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:34:41 +0000 |
| harrisonmike |
#eltchat corpora can be limiting/misleading since you have to choose whether Am or Br Eng, written or spoken. Can be time consuming |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:34:43 +0000 |
| teacherphili |
@theteacherjames @Marisa_C I'm sure it would be possible ;-) #ELTchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:34:59 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@AmadeuMarin I think that's what it's most useful for. Finding natural patterns in language. #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:35:42 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@AmadeuMarin (and don't forget the #eltchat hashtag!) |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:36:03 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
RT @AmadeuMarin: @theteacherjames Can u use it to find collocates? #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:36:16 +0000 |
| lexicojules |
@marisa_c I had some basic free software yrs ago, but can't for the life of me remember the name - will come back to it ... #ELTchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:36:18 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
Can anyone explain one or two instances of using corpora in a lesson and how #eltchat e.g. project a concordancer and... ? |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:36:33 +0000 |
| teacherphili |
RT @Marisa_C: @theteacherjames that's a brilliant idea! a corpus of #ELTCHAT - useful for dissecting previously discussed topics |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:36:47 +0000 |
| LizziePinard |
@Marisa_C #eltchat you can use lextutor.ca to upload and analyse small amounts |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:36:57 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@LizziePinard Let me know how it goes (in other words, you can do the hard work first! ;-) ) #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:37:12 +0000 |
| lexicojules |
At the most basic level combine Ss essays in a single Word doc & use the 'find' facility to search for words they use & how #ELTchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:37:32 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@LizziePinard Oh? I hadn't noticed - could you do us a quick jing tutorial pls? #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:37:32 +0000 |
| LizziePinard |
#eltchat and antconc is a free concordancer, maybe there are others too, or you have to buy wordsmith software something like that |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:37:37 +0000 |
| LizziePinard |
@theteacherjames #eltchat hehehehe one of these days... |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:37:52 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@shaznosel Which is a whole other issue… #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:37:55 +0000 |
| LizziePinard |
@Marisa_C #eltchat a what about what? |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:38:20 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@LizziePinard a screencast about how to upload ur own corpus to lextutor #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:38:45 +0000 |
| lexicojules |
@marisa_c Check the usage of a word Ss disagree about - either live if you're confident or check at home & do next class #ELTchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:39:06 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
RT @lexicojules: @marisa_c Check the usage of a word Ss disagree about - either live if you're confident or at home & do next class #ELTchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:39:26 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@teacherphili @Marisa_C It'd be interesting to know which phrases crop up most often. #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:39:28 +0000 |
| muranava |
demo activities FLAX lrner corpus http://t.co/jGJ3KTOn0i #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:39:37 +0000 |
| LizziePinard |
@Marisa_C #eltchat I haven't done it yet - but when I do have a play… (i nominated the topic cos I don't know much but thought interesting!) |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:39:44 +0000 |
| toulasklavou |
Ss in groups find the 10 most frequent adj, verbs,etc for a specific genre, each group deals with one part of speech#eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:40:04 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
RT @toulasklavou: Ss in groups find the 10 most frequent adj, verbs,etc for a specific genre, each group .. one part of speech #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:40:44 +0000 |
| lexicojules |
Looking up following vb patterns or dependent preps always comes up nicely in a concordance #ELTchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:41:39 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
Seems to me that using corpora would be necessary if you are teaching in a lexical, chunk based way. What do you think @leoselivan? #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:42:28 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@theteacherjames where is leo #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:43:03 +0000 |
| lexicojules |
Not sure if they've been mentioned but I use BAWE (student academic writing) & BASE (ditto speaking) with #EAP Ss - very relevant #ELTchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:43:10 +0000 |
| toulasklavou |
when working on topic vocab, get Ss to find relevant vocab, good 4 speaking practice and exam prep#eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:43:11 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@Marisa_C I don't know, but I'm hoping he answers! #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:43:49 +0000 |
| muranava |
@Marisa_C @LizziePinard can use free software to build yr own corpus http://t.co/ozwNnpGhRW #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:43:55 +0000 |
| LizziePinard |
#eltchat McCarthy is doing a talk on corpora and advanced levels at IATEFL! |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:44:16 +0000 |
| teacherphili |
@theteacherjames @Marisa_C If Leo was lurking we would have heard something by now, I reckon. #ELTchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:44:32 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
The late Graham Davies wrote this guide on how to use concordancers in MFL http://t.co/8T8wEuhI6N #ELTchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:46:21 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
Has anyone ever tried alternative corpora? I saw Jamie Keddie suggesting using Amazon once. #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:46:33 +0000 |
| teacherphili |
@theteacherjames mmm how would that (using Amazon) work? #ELTchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:47:08 +0000 |
| lexicojules |
If you use live/unedited corpora, you have to be prepared to explain things that don't follow the rules #ELTchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:47:25 +0000 |
| muranava |
@lexicojules the FLAX interface to the BAWE is great!http://t.co/vYlGkRayvf #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:47:31 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@muranava Ah thanks - I read abt anconc in the Macarthy book but couldn't find it #ELTchat http://t.co/fuGCOYYOYS |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:47:39 +0000 |
| LizziePinard |
RT @lexicojules: If you use live/unedited corpora, you have to be prepared to explain things that don't follow the rules #ELTchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:48:02 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@LizziePinard check out his book here http://t.co/BxhDh1eGWy #ELTchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:48:34 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@teacherphili I don't remember the details, but it would involve searching to use titles as a reference. Interesting idea. #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:48:39 +0000 |
| teacherphili |
@LizziePinard is that Michael McCarthy? got a book of his here.. #ELTchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:48:46 +0000 |
| lexicojules |
@theteacherjames You can use any online search tools as a basic corpus - I use online journals for #EAP #ELTchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:48:56 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
RT @lexicojules: @theteacherjames You can use any online search tools as a basic corpus - I use online journals for #EAP #ELTchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:49:10 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
RT @lexicojules: @theteacherjames You can use any online search tools as a basic corpus - I use online journals for #EAP #ELTchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:49:18 +0000 |
| LizziePinard |
RT @teacherphili: @LizziePinard is that Michael McCarthy? got a book of his here.. #ELTchat <yep! |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:50:04 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
the BNC used to have a collocation finder but haven't used it lately - has anyone else? #ELTchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:50:12 +0000 |
| leoselivan |
@theteacherjames forgot abt #eltchat. tnx! Yes but there's some criticism of obsession w/ corpora, eg @hughdellar 's http://t.co/0uLTMduovb |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:50:30 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@leoselivan @theteacherjames we are not obsessed!!! but @hughdellar thrives on that sort of hypothesis #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:51:31 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@teacherphili I think that's what this is about, but I can't remember my password to check! http://t.co/1nOx4o7mPg #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:51:43 +0000 |
| lexicojules |
Other fun analysis tools include things like Google NGram Viewer & Google Fight to investigate relative frequencies #ELTchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:51:59 +0000 |
| leoselivan |
@Marisa_C not sure what you mean. that's one of the functions of BNC: looking up collocations #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:52:02 +0000 |
| lexicojules |
@marisa_c BNC is now considered v small & rather dated #ELTchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:52:25 +0000 |
| teacherphili |
@theteacherjames thanks, my subscription expired ages ago so I can't check either #ELTchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:52:33 +0000 |
| leoselivan |
@Marisa_C @theteacherjames :) I know and I wanna write a post in response to @hughdellar 's #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:53:04 +0000 |
| leoselivan |
@lexicojules do you trust GoogleFight? #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:53:30 +0000 |
| LizziePinard |
RT @lexicojules: Other fun analysis tools include things like Google NGram Viewer & Google Fight to investigate relative frequencies #ELTchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:53:34 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@leoselivan it used to be free - but not anymore i think #ELTchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:53:41 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@leoselivan @Marisa_C And I want to read it! How useful do you find corpora? #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:54:04 +0000 |
| teacherphili |
@theteacherjames maybe if we namecheck @cheimi10 (Jamie Keddie) he will magically appear, like @leoselivan did, to answer the Q #ELTchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:54:06 +0000 |
| lexicojules |
@leoselivan Not overly, but it's fun! #ELTchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:54:29 +0000 |
| leoselivan |
@Marisa_C it's still free but you have to sign in after 10 lookups. BNC and COCA - hoste #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:54:38 +0000 |
| CotterHUE |
@marisa_c Use collocate function on my electronic dictionary, which always bring to class. #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:54:38 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@teacherphili Worth a try! #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:55:12 +0000 |
| leoselivan |
@lexicojules cos Google yields different results for different people so I assume Googlefight is very biased too #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:55:13 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@leoselivan might be going to the wrong place - can u post the links pls #ELtchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:55:36 +0000 |
| muranava |
theteacherjames @leoselivan @Marisa_C have u read my response to @hughdellar? http://t.co/Fq34GXpgea #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:55:39 +0000 |
| leoselivan |
@leoselivan ... hosted on BYU site. Perhaps you're referring to old BNC hosted elsewhere? #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:55:42 +0000 |
| improvereadxx |
RT @theteacherjames: @leoselivan @Marisa_C And I want to read it! How useful do you find corpora? #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:56:43 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
RT @muranava: theteacherjames @leoselivan @Marisa_C have u read my response to @hughdellar? http://t.co/Fq34GXpgea #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:57:08 +0000 |
| leoselivan |
@teacherphili @theteacherjames Thanks for namecheck! :) was online looking for stuff on language barriers but completely 4got abt #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:57:13 +0000 |
| toulasklavou |
Goodnight everyone! #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:57:40 +0000 |
| leoselivan |
@muranava @Marisa_C yes Mura. You beat me to it :) #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:57:56 +0000 |
| muranava |
interesting corpus of Twitter http://t.co/82OcVfIXAK #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:58:00 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
RT @muranava: interesting corpus of Twitter http://t.co/82OcVfIXAK #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:58:26 +0000 |
| SueAnnan |
interesting as always #ELTchat. Thanks to everyone who participated :-) |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:58:51 +0000 |
| leoselivan |
to answer @theteacherjames 's question, corpus is important for both NS and NNS teachers.Intuitions may not always be true #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:59:15 +0000 |
| LizziePinard |
#eltchat thanks all, was great! Goodnight see you next time... |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:59:20 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@leoselivan @muranava #eltchat i still have a seething draft abt his against creativity rant but waiting to calm down :-) |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 21:59:28 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
Last couple of links showing why corpora can be useful for teachers: http://t.co/9vG4KKEHWO & http://t.co/1KbHWenwMM by @EBEFL #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 22:00:14 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
Well it's the end of this #ELTchat already!!!! I learnt more than I shared ad thanks to all of you whoc contributed! |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 22:00:38 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@leoselivan Absolutely, see my last tweet for posts on that exact subject. #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 22:01:32 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
Who is doing the summary please? #Eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 22:01:40 +0000 |
| idc74 |
@muranava Useful link, thanks. Prof Carter (Nottingham Uni) has been working on an eLanguage corpus http://t.co/voBAnbVkBp #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 22:01:52 +0000 |
| mkofab |
Thanks!, all! #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 22:02:04 +0000 |
| lexicojules |
#ELTchat Thanks! |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 22:02:13 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@idc74 Thanks ! #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 22:02:34 +0000 |
| leoselivan |
@marisa_c a collection of corpus-mediated tools (which I need to continue updating) here: http://t.co/DqN6dqKnpG #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 22:02:55 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
Did you know that if you search a corpus for "#eltchat summary writer", you will find it collocates with "superstar"? |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 22:03:14 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@leoselivan lovely, thanks Leo! #eltchat @theteacherjames pls make sure you include these late links in the transcript! :-) |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 22:03:45 +0000 |
| teacherphili |
@theteacherjames nice try! #ELTchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 22:03:47 +0000 |
| leoselivan |
sorry to have missed most of it tonight. @theteacherjames @teacherphili namecheck me earlier next time :) #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 22:04:05 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
RT @theteacherjames: Did you know that if you search a corpus for "#eltchat summary writer", you will find it collocates with "superstar"? ! |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 22:04:14 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@Marisa_C @leoselivan Will do boss! #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 22:04:17 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@leoselivan @teacherphili Thanks for joining in, as always! #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 22:04:44 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@theteacherjames i loved that last one abt superstardom #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 22:04:48 +0000 |
| leoselivan |
see also @teflerinha's great post on using concordances http://t.co/gyLBPsLFGK #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 22:05:15 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@Marisa_C :-) Thanks, it took a bit of thought that one! #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 22:05:20 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@LizziePinard @Marisa_C Thanks Lizzie! I'll get the transcript over to you soon. #eltchat #superstar |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 22:06:32 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@LizziePinard @theteacherjames You are immediately hired!!! Give that lady the transcript quick! #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 22:06:43 +0000 |
| LizziePinard |
@Marisa_C @theteacherjames :-) #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 22:07:10 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
I think may be a revisiting of this topic later in the year after we sort out our thoughts and links might be useful #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 22:07:35 +0000 |
| leoselivan |
@theteacherjames I tweet a lot of corpus-related links. Can backchannel and give you a few more #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 22:08:00 +0000 |
| LizziePinard |
@Marisa_C #eltchat sometime after IATEFL when ppl have been to talks about corpora! :-D |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 22:08:12 +0000 |
| muranava |
last linky from me http://t.co/t9vp6Col6Q :) #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 22:08:34 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@leoselivan That'd be great, thanks. #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 22:08:36 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
I would be interested to know about student reactions if anyone cared to do a bit of small scale class research on this #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 22:08:37 +0000 |
| LizziePinard |
@Marisa_C #eltchat i plan to sometime over the summer when i have classes to teach again! |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 22:09:50 +0000 |
| muranava |
@Marisa_C from my limited exp they are usually very interested #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 22:09:51 +0000 |
| muranava |
thanks all #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 22:11:22 +0000 |
| harrisonmike |
@theteacherjames the English of book titles, I think. Good for preposition checking, noun phrases, participles, for example #eltchat |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 22:14:16 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
Good night all and see you soon #eltchat off to my marking ;-) |
Wed, 06 Mar 2013 22:16:15 +0000 |
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