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What are the Differences between the ESL Classroom and the EFL Classroom

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Shaunwilden 27/2/2013 2:00P.M. Looks like it's 12 any one about to #eltchat?
Shaunwilden 27/2/2013 2:01P.M. @esolcourses  Hello Sue - how's you ESL and EFL? #eltchat?
TomTesol 27/2/2013 2:01P.M. Here in Seoul #eltchat
esolcourses 27/2/2013 2:01P.M. RT @Shaunwilden: Looks like it's 12 any one about to #eltchat? ] yep
Shaunwilden 27/2/2013 2:02P.M. it's 12 GMT and the topic for #eltchat is What are the differences between the ESL classroom and the EFL classroom?
Shaunwilden 27/2/2013 2:03P.M. Another topic I am not sure I can add much insight to #eltchat
TomTesol 27/2/2013 2:04P.M. Hard to discuss without being very very general...
BobK99 27/2/2013 2:05P.M. @Shaunwilden  #eltchat Not sure I can either. For me, EFL students are more fun, but that's not a very helpful observation!
Shaunwilden 27/2/2013 2:05P.M. @TomTesol Yes i agree perhaps lets start at the general see where it takes us #eltchat
JoeMcVeigh 27/2/2013 2:05P.M. I once taught an ESL class with 15 different L1s. EFL more likely to be a monolingual class. #ELTchat Lots of implications. #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 27/2/2013 2:06P.M. @JoeMcVeigh Interesting difference - monolingual versus multilingual #eltchat
Shaunwilden 27/2/2013 2:06P.M. @BobK99 How are they more fun? #eltchat
TomTesol 27/2/2013 2:07P.M. Ok - General -- EFL = Engliash classroom often only site where Ss have chance to use English. #eltchat
esolcourses 27/2/2013 2:07P.M. @Shaunwilden Hi Shaun! One definition - EFL = Eng stds living in non-Eng speaking country vs ESL=Eng stds living in Eng sp country #eltchat
esolcourses 27/2/2013 2:08P.M. @Shaunwilden ESL is immersive, with stds exposed to English outside classroom in day to day life #eltchat
JoeMcVeigh 27/2/2013 2:08P.M. Motivation more immediate in ESL setting. Because of English surroundings, students more aware of what they don't know. #ELTchat #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 27/2/2013 2:08P.M. RT @TomTesol: EFL is not necessarily monolingual -- just non-English country, I think? #eltchat
TomTesol 27/2/2013 2:08P.M. EFL is not necessarily monolingual -- just non-English country, I think? #eltchat
JoeMcVeigh 27/2/2013 2:09P.M. @TomTesol Right, not necessarily monolingual. But often is, e.g. in elementary and secondary school settings. #ELTchat #ELTchat
esolcourses 27/2/2013 2:09P.M. RT @TomTesol: Ok - General -- EFL = Engliash classroom often only site where Ss have chance to use English. #eltchat
BobK99 27/2/2013 2:09P.M. @Shaunwilden  #eltchat Not sure. Maybe it's because in my limited experience EFL students are on holiday (and out for a good time).
Shaunwilden 27/2/2013 2:09P.M. @TomTesol I guess that non-English part has implications on language exposure then #eltchat
TomTesol 27/2/2013 2:10P.M. @Shaunwilden Yes - classroom priorities might be on USE in EFL, and perhaps have more accuracy focus in ESL...(fluency outside?) #eltchat
esolcourses 27/2/2013 2:10P.M. @TomTesol agree generally - though I have taught on short courses (summer school) that I would probably still class as EFL #eltchat
TomTesol 27/2/2013 2:11P.M. @BobK99 ? Really? My efl studwents tend to be living at home... #eltchat
How2TchEnglish 27/2/2013 2:11P.M. You can't generalise ESL classes, different nationalities and different needs. EFL- Similar differences and needs. #Eltchat
TomTesol 27/2/2013 2:12P.M. Yeah -- this is very hard to generalize about... MY ESL classes are rarely accuracy focused -- just massive TBI frameworks. #eltchat
esolcourses 27/2/2013 2:12P.M. Another distinction, maybe - ESL/ESOL tends to be more focused on functional skills & language needed to get by in day-to-day life #eltchat
Shaunwilden 27/2/2013 2:13P.M. @esolcourses Is there much difference between ESL AND EAL then? #eltchat
TomTesol 27/2/2013 2:13P.M. RT @esolcourses: Another distinction, ... AGREE #eltchat
jo_cummins 27/2/2013 2:14P.M. @esolcourses but ESL would also cover people on pre-sessional courses, wouldn't it? Or do we define them only as EAP? #eltchat
TomTesol 27/2/2013 2:14P.M. @Shaunwilden EAL = English for Accademic.. Language? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 27/2/2013 2:14P.M. RT @OUPELTGlobal: #ELTchat Just dipping into this today, can't stay, but thought you might find this article useful http://t.co/37ptsexRPY
OUPELTGlobal 27/2/2013 2:14P.M. #ELTchat Just dipping into this today, can't stay, but thought you might find this article useful http://t.co/37ptsexRPY
How2TchEnglish 27/2/2013 2:14P.M. @TomTesol @Shaunwilden Different needs. EFL might be specific-exams,education. ESL needs for living in a country - Day to day life. #eltchat
TomTesol 27/2/2013 2:15P.M. Ah - thanks Shaun. Yes -- 'second' would be 'additional'... :-) #eltchat
Shaunwilden 27/2/2013 2:15P.M. RT @LTLLblog: As well as the differences, what are the key similarities? #eltchat
LTLLblog 27/2/2013 2:15P.M. Except that they want to learn English, of course! #eltchat
Marisa_C 27/2/2013 2:15P.M. #eltchat in a lesson observing and can t really take part isn t ESOL also relevant in this discussion?
Shaunwilden 27/2/2013 2:15P.M. @TomTesol  No English as an additional language, which seems to be the term used in UK state schools #eltchat
LTLLblog 27/2/2013 2:15P.M. As well as the differences, what are the key similarities? #eltchat
jo_cummins 27/2/2013 2:16P.M. @LTLLblog well, they are all learning English! I don't find all these different terms very useful... #eltchat
esolcourses 27/2/2013 2:16P.M. @Shaunwilden EAL (English as an additional language) is terminology mainly used in schools IIRC - ESOL is the adult ed variant #eltchat
TomTesol 27/2/2013 2:17P.M. Really not sure what's useful here except that ESL happens in countries where English dominates outside the classroom... #eltchat
BobK99 27/2/2013 2:17P.M. @TomTesol  #eltchat Definition problem, methinks. They were EFL students in thr classes at home but flew over for a quick blast of ESL 1/2
How2TchEnglish 27/2/2013 2:17P.M. @jo_cummins @esolcourses Hi Jo, isn't ESL for living in a country? Do you need EAP to survive? Or just for study? #eltchat
esolcourses 27/2/2013 2:18P.M. @Marisa_C My understanding is that ESOL (English as a second or other language) and ESL mean pretty much the same thing, Marisa  #eltchat
jo_cummins 27/2/2013 2:18P.M. @How2TchEnglish @esolcourses if you are on a pre-sessional course in an English speaking country I think you need both #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 27/2/2013 2:19P.M. How ESL and EFL classrooms differ http://t.co/37ptsexRPY #ELTchat
JoeMcVeigh 27/2/2013 2:19P.M. So perhaps one question is: does the setting make a difference (English speaking country or not) #ELTchat
jeeves_ 27/2/2013 2:19P.M. Exposure to rich English input & opportunities to use English greater outside the #ESL classroom. That can be motivating. #ELTchat #Willis
jeeves_ 27/2/2013 2:19P.M. #EFL v #ESL > RT @OUPELTGlobal #ELTchat Just dipping in today, can't stay, but thought you might find this useful http://t.co/hiEpTpARzZ
Shaunwilden 27/2/2013 2:19P.M. @TomTesol Unf the person who asked the question does not appear to be taking part in #eltchat so we cant ask what exactly they want
BobK99 27/2/2013 2:19P.M. @TomTesol  #eltchat 2/2 So although the holiday experience was immersive, I wasn't teaching them as ESL students (life/work skills abroad)
TomTesol 27/2/2013 2:20P.M. @Shaunwilden Nice!  I really wanted the other topic, but not sure I'll be up at 6:00 AM. Always fun to meet everyone though! #eltchat
TomTesol 27/2/2013 2:20P.M. @BobK99 I see.  sort of ESL with temporary EFL blend... #eltchat
How2TchEnglish 27/2/2013 2:21P.M. @jo_cummins @esolcourses Agreed. But if you're an asylum seeker you need ESL. Not EAP. EAP specific to students wanting to study. #Eltchat
JoeMcVeigh 27/2/2013 2:21P.M. And another question: Does the make-up of the class make a difference, in terms of monolingual vs. many different L1 backgrounds? #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 27/2/2013 2:22P.M. Sorry my tweetdeck keeps freezing #eltchat
TomTesol 27/2/2013 2:23P.M. And Collaborative Jackass is dodging the blocks... #eltchat
TomTesol 27/2/2013 2:23P.M. @JoeMcVeigh Great Q. Much easier to keep English as language of instruction in multi-lingual class. #eltchat
TomTesol 27/2/2013 2:24P.M. @Shaunwilden Yes -- we're installing our first in 3 weeks... #ELTChat
How2TchEnglish 27/2/2013 2:25P.M. @esolcourses @Marisa_C ESOL covers culture. For example UK has an ESOL citizenship test on British Cult. ESL-language only.#eltchat
sophie_orourke 27/2/2013 2:25P.M. RT @OUPELTGlobal: How ESL and EFL classrooms differ http://t.co/37ptsexRPY #ELTchat
BobK99 27/2/2013 2:26P.M. @How2TchEnglish  #Eltchat Yeah - tell that to the Daily Mail (who seem to think 'asylum seeker' and 'foreign student' are often synonymous!)
jo_cummins 27/2/2013 2:26P.M. @How2TchEnglish @esolcourses yes, I agree. My point is that pre-sessional also need ESL skills #eltchat
TomTesol 27/2/2013 2:26P.M. I would hope ESL is evolving -- surely it's everywhere that language and culture can't be separated... #eltchat
LTLLblog 27/2/2013 2:26P.M. Here's one. Are mainstream course books such as NEF and CE more designed for ESL or EFL? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 27/2/2013 2:27P.M. RT @LTLLblog: Here's one. Are mainstream course books such as NEF and CE more designed for ESL or EFL? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 27/2/2013 2:27P.M. @LTLLblog Nice question :-) #eltchat
LTLLblog 27/2/2013 2:28P.M. @Shaunwilden Thanks. I would say they are almost invariably more relevant to the ESL context. What's your take? #eltchat
How2TchEnglish 27/2/2013 2:28P.M. @jo_cummins @esolcourses Is there time on a pre-sessional to do ESL though? My experience of Pre-sess, no time to cover ESL. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 27/2/2013 2:29P.M. @LTLLblog I know NEF more thanCE and see where you are coming from on that though ironically used more in EFL c/rooms  I bet #eltchat
TomTesol 27/2/2013 2:29P.M. Tweetchat is wonky tonight. Textbooks aim generally for 1 or the other... but EIL books are emerging, I think. #eltchat
jimscriv 27/2/2013 2:29P.M. Possibly all these acronyms are just generalisations about needs - in every case we have to look closer at what an individual needs #eltchat
How2TchEnglish 27/2/2013 2:30P.M. ESL =no profit-older books and less classroom resources. EFL-Private language schools more money, more books aimed at EFL. #eltchat
TomTesol 27/2/2013 2:30P.M. Nicely put RT @jimscriv: in every case we have to look closer at what an individual needs #eltchat
BobK99 27/2/2013 2:31P.M. MT @jimscriv: ... just generalisations about needs - in every case we have to look closer at what an individual needs #eltchat . Quite so!
How2TchEnglish 27/2/2013 2:31P.M. @LTLLblog EFL. Efl schools have more money. Publishers aim at EFL schools because that is the biggest market no? #eltchat
JoeMcVeigh 27/2/2013 2:31P.M. For those of us in the U.S. who might be unfamiliar with "mainstream coursebooks" could someone spell out NEF and CE ? #ELTchat
jo_cummins 27/2/2013 2:31P.M. @How2TchEnglish in Australia, it depended on level/how long course. But even advanced sts need help negotiating a new country #eltchat
Shaunwilden 27/2/2013 2:32P.M. @JoeMcVeigh Arh yes good point  - one is New English File by OUP and Cutting Edge by  Pearson #eltchat
esolcourses 27/2/2013 2:33P.M. Sorry everyone, but twitter is playing up for me today & freezing when I try and post. Switching status to 'mostly lurking' :-) #eltchat
jimscriv 27/2/2013 2:33P.M. My own experience of ESOL sts was that there was much more urgency, fear of failure than in EFL. #eltchat
LTLLblog 27/2/2013 2:33P.M. @Shaunwilden Pretty safe bet, that! Guess it's up to teachers to make content more culturally relevant. However, verging off topic. #eltchat
LTLLblog 27/2/2013 2:34P.M. @jimscriv I think we can all relate to that - especially if working in a country were we didn't start out knowing the lingo. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 27/2/2013 2:34P.M. @esolcourses I think twitter is being an issue for all of us :-( #eltchat
JoeMcVeigh 27/2/2013 2:34P.M. Yes, @jimscriv, but when visiting King Saud U in Riyadh with 10,000 EFL students, a bit of a challenge to look at individual needs! #ELTchat
CotterHUE 27/2/2013 2:34P.M. of all the times that twitter decides to have an issue, it shouldn't be in the middle of #eltchat
jo_cummins 27/2/2013 2:34P.M. @jimscriv I agree! A lot of the generalisations here don't correlate with my experiences. #eltchat
How2TchEnglish 27/2/2013 2:34P.M. @jimscriv Agreed. ESL classes have a wider range of needs in terms of stdnt errors. EFL more generalised as 'normally' monolingual #eltchat
LTLLblog 27/2/2013 2:35P.M. @esolcourses Just my luck, first #eltchat as a participant!
Shaunwilden 27/2/2013 2:35P.M. @jimscriv Because failure has greater repercussions? #eltchat
jimscriv 27/2/2013 2:36P.M. RT @jimscriv: @JoeMcVeigh True! Can't argue that! But not being able to analyse needs successfully doesn't mean they don't exist. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 27/2/2013 2:37P.M. @dianatremayne Not late at all 25 mins left of  #eltchat
dianatremayne 27/2/2013 2:37P.M. @esolcourses @Shaunwilden #eltchat bit late to reply to this but many ESL/ESOL ss use v little English outside college (unfortunately)
TomTesol 27/2/2013 2:37P.M. @Shaunwilden I think because failure is LEARNED? #eltchat
TomTesol 27/2/2013 2:38P.M. or -- fear of failure. My Korean ELIL Ttrainees often can't get past it until the end... even when shown they will succeed. #eltchat
How2TchEnglish 27/2/2013 2:38P.M. My first #eltchat, very much enjoyed it, even with twitter issues.
TomTesol 27/2/2013 2:39P.M. @dianatremayne Good point! Our assumptions, then off they go to self-made L1 ghettos #eltchat
jimscriv 27/2/2013 2:39P.M. I think there's often an urgency to ESOL. The language problems are alive, here, now, yesterday. EFL is an investment in the future #eltchat
BobK99 27/2/2013 2:40P.M. @dianatremayne  #eltchat If they're in a monoglot bubble, although physically they're 'immersed' in Eng, they're not really ESL students.
TomTesol 27/2/2013 2:40P.M. @jimscriv Or "EFL is an investment in..." college...(standardized tests). #eltchat
NishatL 27/2/2013 2:41P.M. @jimscriv so is an "urgency" to ESOL good or bad? Great #eltchat !!!
dianatremayne 27/2/2013 2:42P.M. @Shaunwilden #eltchat unfortunately also supposed to be in 2 other places!
jimscriv 27/2/2013 2:43P.M. @NishatL Urgency = prioritise perceived immediate wins; focus on collecting "more" (vocab, gram), need to be understood (pron) #eltchat
JoeMcVeigh 27/2/2013 2:43P.M. So, back to motivation question. Perhaps T's can make use of S's perceived needs to help create more relevant lessons. #ELTchat
dianatremayne 27/2/2013 2:44P.M. @BobK99 #eltchat true altho def not EFL either
Marisa_C 27/2/2013 2:45P.M. RT @JoeMcVeigh: So, back to motivation question. Perhaps T's can make use of S's perceived needs to help create more relevant lsns. #ELTchat
macmillancampus 27/2/2013 2:45P.M. What challenges do teachers face when using digital? Let us know - our techie experts are here to help! #eltchat http://t.co/TyFskV4cOo
Marisa_C 27/2/2013 2:46P.M. @esolcourses for me too esol and esl same  #eltchat
jimscriv 27/2/2013 2:47P.M. A large, shared central park for EFL ESOL etc: everyone needs basic gram, lexis, pron. It's the surrounding streets that vary #eltchat
Marisa_C 27/2/2013 2:47P.M. @jimscriv gd point abt future vs now - imeddiacy of applying lang learnt also may vary tho social media now makes a difference #eltchat
leoselivan 27/2/2013 2:48P.M. MT @jimscriv: I think theres often an urgency to ESOL. The lang probs r alive, here, now, y-day. EFL is an investment in the future #eltchat
Marisa_C 27/2/2013 2:49P.M. RT @How2TchEnglish: ESOL covers culture. For example UK has an ESOL citizenship test on British Cult. ESL-language only.#eltchat
leoselivan 27/2/2013 2:49P.M. some idiomatic expressions may be less relevant for #EFL contexts #eltchat
Marisa_C 27/2/2013 2:50P.M. RT @Shaunwilden: RT @jimscriv: (apologies ... have to leave) / waves goodbye /  #eltchat > perhaps for production but for comprehension?
jimscriv 27/2/2013 2:50P.M. (apologies ... have to leave) / waves goodbye /  #eltchat
Shaunwilden 27/2/2013 2:50P.M. RT @jimscriv: (apologies ... have to leave) / waves goodbye /  #eltchat
Shaunwilden 27/2/2013 2:50P.M. @leoselivan Arent all idiomatic expressions not relevant :-)  #eltchat
Shaunwilden 27/2/2013 2:52P.M. @leoselivan Ooo and that is a whole different  #eltchat :-)
leoselivan 27/2/2013 2:52P.M. RT @Shaunwilden: Arent all idiomatic expressions not relevant :-) >depends where they r on the spectrum of idiomaticity :) #eltchat
Marisa_C 27/2/2013 2:52P.M. @How2TchEnglish local culture should really play an important part of an ESL or ESOL programme  #eltchat
TomTesol 27/2/2013 2:53P.M. @Marisa_C Social Media -- my EFL TTraining environment is ESLish: Perhaps today the future is becoming now #eltchat
Marisa_C 27/2/2013 2:55P.M. @TomTesol very true  #eltchat
How2TchEnglish 27/2/2013 2:55P.M. @Marisa_C But sometimes doesn't because of the language focus? ESOL tests students' cultural awareness? #eltchat
Marisa_C 27/2/2013 2:56P.M. @How2TchEnglish not sure about that perhaps @esolcourses could help and let us know?  #eltchat
Shaunwilden 27/2/2013 2:56P.M. RT @TomTesol: @Marisa_C Social Media -- my EFL TTraining environment is ESLish: Perhaps today the future is becoming now #eltchat
ELTchat 27/2/2013 2:57P.M. Please  block and report repetitive troll remarks - block - report -- also on tweetdeck go to TOOLs=GLOBAL FILTER add his ID #eltchat
TomTesol 27/2/2013 2:57P.M. Let's do it! RT @Shaunwilden: @leoselivan Ooo and that is a whole different  #eltchat :-) #eltchat
SaundzDotCom 27/2/2013 2:57P.M. @leoselivan "to use a sledgehammer to crack a nut", for example, there's a video on that :) http://t.co/xwDloHqbyy #eltchat
Shaunwilden 27/2/2013 2:58P.M. Sorry I couldnt take fuller part but hopefully my tweet asking for a summary writer will send...... #eltchat
Marisa_C 27/2/2013 2:59P.M. Looking for a summary writer for this #ELTchat - any volunteers please
BobK99 27/2/2013 3:00P.M. Maybe this'll get through to #eltchat: it was worth the effort. Bye ;-)
leoselivan 27/2/2013 3:01P.M. sorry I joined only towards the end. Looking forward to the summary too cc @shaunwilden @Marisa_C #eltchat
TomTesol 27/2/2013 3:01P.M. Oh -- I'll try one. Where do I send it when it's done? #eltchat
Marisa_C 27/2/2013 3:02P.M. RT @Shaunwilden: Thanks to all for persevering despite the twitter issues, see you tonight to talk about IWBs  #eltchat
Shaunwilden 27/2/2013 3:02P.M. Thanks to all for persevering despite the twitter issues, see you tonight to talk about IWBs  #eltchat
Shaunwilden 27/2/2013 3:03P.M. @TomTesol @Marisa_C Thanks, once the transcript is published, summarize and then post on your blog or send me it #eltchat
Marisa_C 27/2/2013 3:04P.M. @TomTesol thank you and great to have a new summary writer join the great panel of  #eltchat bloggers!!!!
Marisa_C 27/2/2013 3:05P.M. @TomTesol will get transcript for you in a few mins Tom and post link on twitter #ELTchat
english247 27/2/2013 3:05P.M. #English for work and play - picture vocabulary quizzes for adults & #kids http://t.co/BtcyFPAk #esl #efl #esol #engpls #sped #yl #eltchat
TJX_ELT 27/2/2013 3:06P.M. RT @OUPELTGlobal: How ESL and EFL classrooms differ http://t.co/37ptsexRPY #ELTchat
Marisa_C 27/2/2013 3:06P.M. @TomTesol :-)  #eltchat #eltchat
TomTesol 27/2/2013 3:06P.M. @Marisa_C I think I picked a brief one for my first ;-) #eltchat #eltchat
TomTesol 27/2/2013 3:08P.M. @Marisa_C Is there a format for these summaries, or just whatever works? #eltchat
TomTesol 27/2/2013 3:08P.M. @Marisa_C OK Will look out for it. #eltchat
nroberts88 27/2/2013 3:11P.M. Why doesn't the word effection exist? #ELTchat
jankenb2 27/2/2013 3:19P.M. @jimscriv Missed #eltchat, but want to share my thoughts on the difference. EFL is > wkplace/academic while ESL is > functional BICS
Marisa_C 27/2/2013 3:21P.M. RT @jankenb2: Missed #eltchat, but want to share my thoughts on the difference. EFL is > wkplace/academic while ESL is > functional BICS
Marisa_C 27/2/2013 3:22P.M. @TomTesol Here is the  #eltchat summary index - have a quick look - some great summaries there to inspire you! http://t.co/mkZQucoSJQ
StanzaSL 27/2/2013 3:24P.M. RT @OUPELTGlobal: How ESL and EFL classrooms differ http://t.co/37ptsexRPY #ELTchat

 

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