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Tips and techniques for teaching large classes (40) or more students

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This is the transcript of eltchat on 20.02.2013 on  Tips and techniques for teaching large classes (40) or more students

 

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Shaunwilden 8:59 PM ready for #eltchat?
AnitaJankovic 9:01 PM ready #ELTchat
naomishema 9:01 PM Hello everyone! This topic I actually know something about! #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:01 PM #eltchat  is Tips and techniques for teaching large classes (40) or more students
shaznosel 9:01 PM @Shaunwilden Ready as can be but have to say I'm lurking..not a lot of exp with 40+ ss.. #ELTCHAT
SophiaMav 9:01 PM Hello everyone :) #ELTchat
naomishema 9:02 PM @Shaunwilden 38 students my max number #eltchat
prese1 9:02 PM Hello everyone #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:02 PM @naomishema phew i am glad someone does, not a situation i know much about #eltchat
shaznosel 9:02 PM @vickyloras Perastika paidimou!x #ELTCHAT
vickyloras 9:02 PM RT @Shaunwilden: #eltchat  is Tips and techniques for teaching large classes (40) or more students
vickyloras 9:02 PM @Shaunwilden Ready (despite a temperature grrrr) #ELTChat
AnitaJankovic 9:03 PM greetings from Serbia #ELTchat
prese1 9:03 PM 27 young learners #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:03 PM Ok so large classes then - apart from numbers, how do they differ from other classes? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:03 PM @vickyloras as I am fond of saying, we all have temperatures ;-) #eltchat
shaznosel 9:03 PM @SophiaMav Howdie partner!x #ELTCHAT
SophiaMav 9:03 PM The largest class I've ever taught 32 sts #ELTchat
theteacherjames 9:03 PM Good afternoon everyone! #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:03 PM RT @Shaunwilden: #eltchat  is Tips and techniques for teaching large classes (40) or more students
CotterHUE 9:04 PM Havent taught large classes in a long time, at least not regularly. But looking forward to contributing as much as I can. #eltchat
SophiaMav 9:04 PM @shaznosel Hey partner!! Good to see u again :) #ELTchat
vickyloras 9:04 PM @shaznosel Thank you agapi mou!  #ELTChat
AnitaJankovic 9:05 PM I usually teach between 80 and 100 students per semester #ELTchat
eltcat 9:05 PM miaow did someone say elt cat? Oh no #eltchat, sorry I'll go back to sleep.
prese1 9:05 PM @Shaunwilden classroom management #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:05 PM @prese1 as in its impossible to manage? #eltchat
shaznosel 9:05 PM @prese1 Hello! That's still big for me..guess it's state school classes? #ELTCHAT
AnitaJankovic 9:06 PM @Shaunwilden they are also mixed ability, language level classes. #ELTchat
prese1 9:06 PM @shaznosel  primary school #eltchat
shaznosel 9:06 PM @CotterHUE Me too...private lang schools..upto 12 ss, but state schools up2 25.. #ELTCHAT
SueAnnan 9:06 PM How do you make opportunities for them to speak? #ELTchat
AnitaJankovic 9:07 PM @SueAnnan working in small groups #ELTchat
CotterHUE 9:07 PM RT @AnitaJankovic: @Shaunwilden they are also mixed ability, language level classes. #ELTchat
naomishema 9:07 PM I taught 38 adults in private lang school but class geared to reading academic texts 4 acceptance 2 college. we barely did speaking #eltchat
prese1 9:07 PM @AnitaJankovic @Shaunwilden yes,mixed ability. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:07 PM @AnitaJankovic @prese1  Isnt mixed ability a trait of all classes? #eltchat
shaznosel 9:07 PM @AnitaJankovic Ahh..per semester..not all in the same class? As I ve heard in China classes of 50 r norm.. #ELTCHAT
SophiaMav 9:07 PM @SueAnnan I think having sts in groups can be effective #ELTchat
CotterHUE 9:08 PM Mixed ability, as @AnitaJankovic said. But also mixed motivation, mixed goals, mixed needs, mixed interest. #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 9:08 PM Also have max 24. But have held teacher training with 35-40 teachers. Does thay count? #eltchat
naomishema 9:08 PM In state school system english classes often have 40 students. but at school I teach special ed, so not me! Private school - yes. #eltchat
prese1 9:08 PM @Shaunwilden @AnitaJankovic you can spot them straight off in smaller groups #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:08 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @AnitaJankovic @prese1  Isnt mixed ability a trait of all classes? #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:08 PM MY daughter starts work in China next week with a class of 45 #ELTchat
prese1 9:09 PM @theteacherjames @Shaunwilden @SophiaMav @SueAnnan so true #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:09 PM RT @theteacherjames: @SophiaMav @SueAnnan But I guess it must be difficult to give worthwhile feedback when they are so many. #eltchat
shaznosel 9:09 PM Friend in China  teaches spkg to 50 ss in 1 class! Guess that's why Chinese ss have poor spkg skills compared to their rdg/wrtg #ELTCHAT
theteacherjames 9:09 PM RT @CotterHUE: Mixed ability, as @AnitaJankovic said. But also mixed motivation, mixed goals, mixed needs, mixed interest. #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:09 PM @SophiaMav @SueAnnan But I guess it must be difficult to give worthwhile feedback when they are so many. #eltchat
CotterHUE 9:10 PM @shaunwilden: Isnt mixed ability a trait of all classes? #eltchat Maybe so, but harder to reach 40 than 4... & observe effectiveness.
joannacre 9:10 PM @SophiaMav @SueAnnan yes but how can u monitor so many groups or sts in large classes?#eltchat
naomishema 9:10 PM Having a class computer system like edmodo really helped me. students felt "noticed" - could be in touch #eltchat
prese1 9:10 PM RT @shaznosel: @Shaunwilden Or even spot mistakes with so many.. #ELTCHAT
Shaunwilden 9:10 PM RT @naomishema: Having a class computer system like edmodo really helped me. students felt "noticed" - could be in touch #eltchat
shaznosel 9:10 PM @Shaunwilden Or even spot mistakes with so many.. #ELTCHAT
SueAnnan 9:10 PM @naomishema Interesting idea #ELTchat
AnitaJankovic 9:11 PM @joannacre having more proficient students as TAs #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:11 PM RT @AnitaJankovic: @joannacre having more proficient students as TAs #ELTchat that's a good idea
Shaunwilden 9:11 PM @joannacre @SophiaMav @SueAnnan  i woiuld imagine things such as monitoring are not that effective #eltchat
shaznosel 9:11 PM @joannacre can you split class and arrange diff activites so to have time with weaker ss? #ELTCHAT
theteacherjames 9:11 PM @prese1 @Shaunwilden @SophiaMav @SueAnnan So what can be done about it? #eltchat
joannacre 9:12 PM @SueAnnan group work/study groups. They can even record themselves talking in groups as hw #eltchat
louisealix68 9:12 PM RT @shaznosel: @joannacre can you split class and arrange diff activites so to have time with weaker ss? #ELTCHAT
naomishema 9:12 PM @SueAnnan Taught first course without edmodo, second with, big difference in ss perception of having individual attention #ELTchat
prese1 9:12 PM @theteacherjames @Shaunwilden @SophiaMav @SueAnnan with the YL we had class games using target language #eltchat
shaznosel 9:12 PM RT @shaznosel: @joannacre can you split class and arrange diff activites so to have time with weaker ss? #ELTCHAT
vickyloras 9:12 PM RT @naomishema: Having a class computer system like edmodo really helped me. students felt "noticed" - could be in touch #eltchat
louisealix68 9:13 PM ok, have done a quick read to catch up. Sounds like some have HUGE classes. #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 9:13 PM Sometimes the larger classea are livlier and sts do.more than small groups do. #eltchat
naomishema 9:13 PM RT @shaznosel: @vickyloras so out of class activites are the key... #ELTCHAT
naomishema 9:13 PM remembering names was a prob for me. #eltchat
shaznosel 9:13 PM @vickyloras so out of class activites are the key... #ELTCHAT
AnitaJankovic 9:14 PM @naomishema using their seating arrangement was helpful for me in remembering names #ELTchat
AnitaJankovic 9:14 PM @naomishema I agree, asynchronous communication is the key #ELTchat
joannacre 9:14 PM @shaznosel that's an issue. weaker sts and their needs in large classes #eltchat
louisealix68 9:14 PM How about team teaching? School I was at had large classes, but 2 teachers - 1 1/2 really so we split time dep on what needed. #eltchat
prese1 9:14 PM @shaznosel @MarjorieRosenbe difficult #eltchat
prese1 9:14 PM @naomishema my register had a photo for every name #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:14 PM i presume trying to gauge timings and pace of activities is quite hard too, am bad enuff at it in small classes as it is! #eltchat
shaznosel 9:14 PM @naomishema Can imagine! Name tags essential! #ELTCHAT
shaznosel 9:14 PM @MarjorieRosenbe How can you be sure weak.r are really involved and producing lang? #ELTCHAT
theteacherjames 9:14 PM RT @shaznosel: @vickyloras so out of class activites are the key... #ELTCHAT
theteacherjames 9:14 PM @MarjorieRosenbe I'm not sure lively is always good though! ;-) #eltchat
AnitaJankovic 9:15 PM @Shaunwilden I teach block classes of three hours, so time management isn't an issue #ELTchat
joannacre 9:15 PM @shaznosel @MarjorieRosenbe i gave sts tasks to do in groups at home and they recorded themselves on their phones while doing them #eltchat
kierandonaghy 9:15 PM RT @jo_cummins: New blog post on thoughts and ideas about different types of very short stories. http://t.co/Lq0gvaea #eltchat #efl #esl ...
MarjorieRosenbe 9:15 PM @theteacherjames At least liveleans they are engaged. Better than looking bored or texting. #eltchat
naomishema 9:15 PM @prese1 yeah, i'm aiming for that next time. only some of the adult ss uploaded their photo to edmdo #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:15 PM @shaznosel @MarjorieRosenbe or that they are, in fact, the weaker ones- and not just underperforming #ELTChat
vickyloras 9:15 PM RT @MarjorieRosenbe: Sometimes the larger classea are livlier and sts do.more than small groups do. #eltchat
AnitaJankovic 9:16 PM RT @joannacre i gave sts tasks to do in groups at home and they recorded themselves on their phones while doing them #ELTchat
shaznosel 9:16 PM @joannacre Can imagine but guess after time u can focus on them but then stronger ss usually need T attention... #ELTCHAT
vickyloras 9:16 PM @springrose12 Hi Tuba! I was feeling ok earlier bt now I have a temperature again : ( I love tonight's topic on ELTChat : ) Hope u're well!
louisealix68 9:17 PM perhaps luxury in comparison, but I find 32 teens a large class. Do you feel difference between age + skills in independent working #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 9:17 PM @naomishema Still is. I tell them it's a senior moment or brain freeze, they cam pick. #eltchat
naomishema 9:17 PM I spent all my breaks in class answering Q from weaker SS or panicky students (was a class 4 those who had failed college entry) #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:17 PM @SueAnnan i imgine phones will be about could utilise texts #eltchat
shaznosel 9:17 PM @joannacre Brilliant..making it personal and autonomous.. #ELTCHAT
SueAnnan 9:17 PM Not sure how much technology will be around in rural China. Might be chalk and talk #ELTchat
theteacherjames 9:17 PM @MarjorieRosenbe True - I just worry about a lively class of 50 sts, sounds like hard work! #eltchat
dianatremayne 9:18 PM “@teflerinha: The chicken nugget experiment- a free downloadable lesson #eltchat #esol #horsemeat http://t.co/uMBeg8RpKA” great idea!
louisealix68 9:18 PM @shaznosel is standard state school size here #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 9:18 PM @shaznosel Can't tell sometimes in small groups with some who just dont speak. #eltchat
naomishema 9:18 PM @MarjorieRosenbe I'll adopt that idea! #eltchat
naomishema 9:18 PM RT @shaznosel: @louisealix68 32 teens sounds like a mission rather than a class- hat off to u! #ELTCHAT
naomishema 9:18 PM @louisealix68 teens are harder than adlts. my adults paid a lot of money for the class - motivating #eltchat
prese1 9:18 PM @shaznosel   a problem. while helping weaker sts the louder kids get louder. you're better off helping them at the end of class #eltchat
shaznosel 9:18 PM @louisealix68 32 teens sounds like a mission rather than a class- hat off to u! #ELTCHAT
SueAnnan 9:18 PM @Shaunwilden suppose you're right :-) #ELTChat Depends if school allows though
CotterHUE 9:19 PM RT @naomishema: @louisealix68 teens are harder than adlts. my adults paid a lot of money for the class - motivating #eltchat
joannacre 9:19 PM @shaznosel my chinese sts loved it as they also got the time to talk more in english! #eltchat
louisealix68 9:19 PM @naomishema maybe, but adults perhaps demand more 'performance' from teacher (better returns for their money?) #eltchat
naomishema 9:19 PM RT @prese1: @shaznosel   a problem. while helping weaker sts the louder kids get louder. you're better off helping them at the end of cl ...
MarjorieRosenbe 9:20 PM Getting sts involved can be just as difficult in small group as in large. Any ideas? #eltchat
naomishema 9:20 PM @joannacre aren't Chinese students more obediet? I've read so. Israeli teens are not. No way I would teach 40 at school! #eltchat
shaznosel 9:20 PM @naomishema Not just levels with teens but interests too/no way could they all like the same music..difficult 4 class mgt too.. #ELTCHAT
theteacherjames 9:20 PM I imagine big classes give the weaker / more reluctant sts a place to hide. Tough to manage. #eltchat
AnitaJankovic 9:21 PM RT @theteacherjames: I imagine big classes give the weaker / more reluctant sts a place to hide. Tough to manage. #eltchat
CotterHUE 9:21 PM Large classes prevent Ts from feeling reassured that we can reach all Ss (or almost all) in class & help Ss teach goals. #eltchat
prese1 9:21 PM @MarjorieRosenbe what age group? #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:21 PM @MarjorieRosenbe  @barbsaka is doing a webinar on friday about that #ELTchat
CotterHUE 9:22 PM @theteacherjames: big classes give the weaker/more reluctant sts a place to hide. Tough to manage. #eltchat ... blessing in my uni math days
joannacre 9:22 PM @naomishema id say they like working hard#eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 9:22 PM @naomishema which idea? #eltchat
shaznosel 9:22 PM @joannacre I work with Chinese s in the summer and they are so withdrawn at beg 2 spk but l8tr love spkg lessons- pleasurable exp #ELTCHAT
SophiaMav 9:22 PM @theteacherjames true, we need to give those students active roles within the group otherwise they will just be lurking #ELTchat
naomishema 9:23 PM Having answer keys on TS desk very useful for group work with worksheets. SS send rep from group to check answers or look at hints #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:23 PM RT @theteacherjames: @SophiaMav Yes, and that takes some teaching skill to achieve. #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:23 PM @CotterHUE Been there too! #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:23 PM @SophiaMav Yes, and that takes some teaching skill to achieve. #eltchat
vickyloras 9:23 PM RT @SophiaMav: @theteacherjames true, we need to give those students active roles within the group otherwise they will just be lurking # ...
AnitaJankovic 9:24 PM @naomishema great idea #ELTchat
naomishema 9:24 PM @MarjorieRosenbe brainfreeze or senior moment #eltchat
prese1 9:24 PM @naomishema totally agree. keeps them engaged and busy. there are always fast finishers? #eltchat
Sandratweet 9:24 PM RT @naomishema: Having a class computer system like edmodo really helped me. students felt "noticed" - could be in touch #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:24 PM RT @toulasklavou: Hi everyone? To what extent is learning effective in large classes?#eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:24 PM @SophiaMav yes assigning roles is def a good idea though that risks over complicating a task #eltchat
shaznosel 9:24 PM @naomishema wow..real peer work in action.. #ELTCHAT
toulasklavou 9:24 PM Hi everyone? To what extent is learning effective in large classes?#eltchat
AnitaJankovic 9:25 PM RT @naomishema: Having answer keys on TS desk useful for group work with worksheets. SS send rep from group to check answers #ELTchat
louisealix68 9:25 PM @toulasklavou love the question. But to what extent is it effective in small classes too? #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 9:25 PM @naomishema It's Monday is also a good excuse. #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:25 PM RT @naomishema: Having answer keys on TS desk very useful for group work with worksheets. SS send rep from group to check answers or loo ...
joannacre 9:26 PM @naomishema or projecting them on the board through OH project#eltchat
louisealix68 9:26 PM big classes can be small if desks arranged in groups with easy access for teacher #eltchat
naomishema 9:26 PM @louisealix68 who has desks? lang school has chairs with writing area... #eltchat
naomishema 9:26 PM @MarjorieRosenbe not in Israel. week starts on Sunday! LOL! #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:26 PM RT @louisealix68: big classes can be small if desks arranged in groups with easy access for teacher #eltchat good idea
SueAnnan 9:26 PM @louisealix68 chairs not always moveable   #ELTchat
SueAnnan 9:26 PM @louisealix68 @toulasklavou  perhaps it is more measurable in smaller groups #ELTChat
theteacherjames 9:26 PM RT @toulasklavou: Hi everyone? To what extent is learning effective in large classes?>> Great question. What do you think? #eltchat
toulasklavou 9:26 PM RT @CotterHUE: @theteacherjames: big classes give the weaker/more reluctant sts a place to hide. Tough to manage. #eltchat ... blessing  ...
louisealix68 9:27 PM @SueAnnan aargh - always a problem! #eltchat I have traditional desk+chair+blackboard so can move things about a bit
MarjorieRosenbe 9:27 PM @naomishema Oh right. Forgot. #eltchat
prese1 9:27 PM @joannacre: @naomishema  also having a projector or IWB is useful but not always possible #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:27 PM @naomishema so i guess that makes it easy to group people? #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:27 PM @naomishema @louisealix68 I hate those little chairs with the desk area attached #ELTChat
AnitaJankovic 9:28 PM @louisealix68 I usualy work in a lecture hall, so no moving about #ELTchat
louisealix68 9:28 PM @SueAnnan @naomishema not always left-handed people friendly! #eltchat
naomishema 9:28 PM @louisealix68 we have about four left handed ones to a room, i think #eltchat
naomishema 9:28 PM @Shaunwilden for group work chairs advantage. but u can see ss struggling for space with coursebook, notebok, dict, etc  #eltchat
SaritaAgerman 9:28 PM RT @vmorgana: Large Teenage Classes: some strategies to enjoy the lesson! http://t.co/ocSnhO7T via @barbsaka #eltchat #YLs
Shaunwilden 9:28 PM RT @CotterHUE: Extra activities &challenges needed for stronger sts. et up activities that let Ss work at their own pace & ability. #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:28 PM @SophiaMav Could be a very rewarding challenge, or very demotivating. I think I'd like to give it a go at some point. #eltchat
toulasklavou 9:28 PM don't think large classes are ideal 4 learning,need skillful Ts& Ss eager 2 learn#eltchat
AnitaJankovic 9:29 PM RT @CotterHUE: Extra activities &challenges needed for stronger sts. et up activities that let Ss work at their own pace & ability. #ELTchat
CotterHUE 9:29 PM Own pace discussion: Ss are given a series of Qs to discuss w/partner for 5 min. Ss ask Qs of interest, add own followup Qs, etc. #eltchat
naomishema 9:29 PM RT @toulasklavou: don't think large classes are ideal 4 learning,need skillful Ts& Ss eager 2 learn#eltchat > easier with stronger ss
shaznosel 9:29 PM @theteacherjames Ask those T s with big classes..do u just do your job or do u think acquisition actually takes place? #ELTCHAT
theteacherjames 9:29 PM @AnitaJankovic @louisealix68 I imagine most very large groups are in lecture halls, must limit the options even more. #eltchat
AnitaJankovic 9:30 PM @theteacherjames I rely mostly on the online component of the course, classes serve as consult time and group work #ELTchat
louisealix68 9:30 PM @theteacherjames @AnitaJankovic title says a lot "lecture" must be very creative teacher to be able to create effective group work! #eltchat
naomishema 9:30 PM @AnitaJankovic SS who finish quickly can start h.w #ELTchat
shaznosel 9:30 PM @Shaunwilden Guess u need activities for strong ss and activities for weak..must be like a cont effort?
AnitaJankovic 9:31 PM @louisealix68 you can say that again :) #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:31 PM @AnitaJankovic @theteacherjames isnt that harder as all might want to consult on a diffent aspect? #eltchat
shaznosel 9:31 PM @AnitaJankovic Can c the on-line element must be an ess back-up #ELTCHAT
theteacherjames 9:31 PM @shaznosel I'm sure it's possible, but must be much harder to measure. #eltchat
AnitaJankovic 9:32 PM @Shaunwilden it can get messy #ELTchat
leoselivan 9:32 PM Sorry for being late. What's the topic? #eltchat
naomishema 9:32 PM I'm pretty sure (really sure!) that some TS just lecture when the classes r so large. #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:32 PM @Basmati1967 @toulasklavou That's what I wonder, it must be very hard to prevent that. #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:32 PM @louisealix68 @AnitaJankovic Agreed, it must push a teacher's abilities to the limit. #eltchat
toulasklavou 9:32 PM I remember myself as a S in high school, I believe I could've learnt more if smaller classes#eltchat
joannacre 9:33 PM @AnitaJankovic @CotterHUE that needs alot of planning and needs analysis, knowing which st needs what#eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:33 PM @leoselivan large classes #eltchat
shaznosel 9:33 PM @theteacherjames how do u check all those diff activities at the same time!..ss must also be asking q's/demanding att/tough job #ELTCHAT
SophiaMav 9:33 PM @naomishema I think those teachers would lecture anyway ;) #ELTchat
SueAnnan 9:33 PM @leoselivan HI Leo. Teaching tips for large classes #ELTchat
joannacre 9:34 PM @naomishema and i guess the lrs in those classes get bored eh? #eltchat
leoselivan 9:34 PM @Shaunwilden @SueAnnan thanks! heard Penny Ur's talk on the topic recently. Can share the handout #eltchat
louisealix68 9:34 PM sorry guys, head thumping and still have pile of tests to mark..... enjoy chat. Is a lively one tonight! #eltchat
naomishema 9:34 PM @SophiaMav a lot of checking things at home with big groups. more time consuming for TS in every way #ELTchat
theteacherjames 9:34 PM @shaznosel Yes, I'm wondering how you turn all those group & pair work activities into something more meaningful with so many. #eltchat
toulasklavou 9:34 PM IMO T is more concerned with discipline issues&attracting Ss' attention than actually get'em to learn, seems frustrating#eltchat
naomishema 9:35 PM @joannacre sorry, irs? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:35 PM RT @toulasklavou: IMO T is more concerned with discipline issues&attracting Ss' attention than actually get'em to learn, seems frust ...
Shaunwilden 9:35 PM @leoselivan that would be good #eltchat  what did she suggest? #eltchat
SophiaMav 9:35 PM @naomishema absolutely agree. It's much more demanding #ELTchat
SueAnnan 9:35 PM @leoselivan @Shaunwilden that would be great #ELTChat
lewiswaitt 9:36 PM #eltchat With larger groups, I always try to limit my pre-made resources and include the students in the preparation.
Shaunwilden 9:36 PM RT @lewiswaitt: #eltchat With larger groups, I always try to limit my pre-made resources and include the students in the preparation.
shaznosel 9:36 PM @leoselivan Penny Ur should have some answers..I m just in awe of you who teach such big classes #ELTCHAT
theteacherjames 9:36 PM RT @timjteacher: don't imagine it, that's the reality. (don't forget the #eltchat hashtag!)
AnitaJankovic 9:37 PM RT @leoselivan: @shaunwilden lots of immediately applicable ideas and tips. http://t.co/yw1UPk50bD #ELTchat
AnitaJankovic 9:37 PM RT @lewiswaitt: #eltchat With larger groups, I try to limit my pre-made resources and include the students in the preparation. #ELTchat
leoselivan 9:37 PM @shaunwilden lots of immediately applicable ideas and tips. http://t.co/txHxdHNgG5 #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:37 PM @Basmati1967 @toulasklavou I would say that that is a ideal maximum size too. I enjoyed teaching that number. #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:37 PM @timjteacher So what can you do about it? There must be strategies. #eltchat
AnitaJankovic 9:38 PM @leoselivan thanx #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:38 PM @leoselivan ta thats quite the handout :-) #eltchat
toulasklavou 9:38 PM @shaznosel me too, I admire these teachers!
prese1 9:39 PM @leoselivan thanx #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:39 PM RT @shaznosel: How do u work time limits in big classes..with such a high degree of mixed ability/do weak ss always get paired with stro ...
shaznosel 9:39 PM How do u work time limits in big classes..with such a high degree of mixed ability/do weak ss always get paired with strong ss? #ELTCHAT
theteacherjames 9:39 PM RT @leoselivan: @shaunwilden lots of immediately applicable ideas and tips. http://t.co/txHxdHNgG5 #eltchat
AnitaJankovic 9:40 PM @shaznosel not really pairing complete opposites, cause the weaker can get intimidated #ELTchat
Basmati1967 9:40 PM @theteacherjames @toulasklavou Oh sorry new to this game LoL #eltchat
naomishema 9:40 PM @shaznosel with the adults they chose thier own groups. there was a strong division between different groups, didn't fight it. #ELTCHAT
Shaunwilden 9:40 PM So far lots of advice for dealing with class, is there is anything that should be avoided? #eltchat
CotterHUE 9:41 PM Have Ss partner with many other Ss. Repeat activities with added challenges so weaker Ss can grasp TL, stronger Ss not bored. #eltchat
prese1 9:41 PM @Shaunwilden correcting individual written work during class time #eltchat
prese1 9:41 PM @AnitaJankovic @shaznosel  how about groups of threes? #eltchat
AnitaJankovic 9:42 PM @prese1 I usually organize them in groups of six, but will try three #ELTchat
AnitaJankovic 9:42 PM @Shaunwilden activities that involve moving about the classroom :) #ELTchat
designerlessons 9:42 PM Hi, I'm jumping in -  late, but with large and mixed ability groups project work is useful. Collaboration goes at its own pace  #ELTchat
joannacre 9:42 PM @Shaunwilden going into a large class unprepared#eltchat
shaznosel 9:42 PM @toulasklavou I'm nver cpomplaining again when i have 25 ss..!True what u say abt high school..neglect !up2 T! #ELTCHAT
toulasklavou 9:42 PM What abt the syllabus?&the pace 2 cover everything needed? #eltchat
AnitaJankovic 9:43 PM RT @designerlessons: with large and mixed ability groups project work is useful. Collaboration goes at its own pace  #ELTchat
CotterHUE 9:43 PM Have Ss set goals/create self-contract at course start (w/handout to be returned to T). Ss more motivated bcz know what to work for #eltchat
joannacre 9:43 PM @Shaunwilden never go into a large class unprepared#eltchat
naomishema 9:43 PM @shaznosel no, I meant they don't want to mix. they only want to work with their clique. I didn't fight them #ELTCHAT
prese1 9:43 PM @leoselivan @Shaunwilden @SueAnnan yes, please #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:43 PM RT @naomishema: Really hard when administration lets ss join the course after 2 or 3 lessons. no time to help them catch up!argh! #eltchat]
shaznosel 9:43 PM @AnitaJankovic Hope it's a big classroom! #ELTCHAT
shaznosel 9:43 PM @naomishema Guess they are more acceptable to mixing- no personality clashes as in YLs.. #ELTCHAT
AnitaJankovic 9:44 PM @shaznosel just enough #ELTchat
shaznosel 9:44 PM I guess project work is the key to involve all ss and able t to monitor somewhat..plus ss are engaged. #ELTCHAT
AnitaJankovic 9:45 PM RT @CotterHUE: Have Ss set goals/create self-contract at course start. Ss more motivated bcz know what to work for #ELTchat
joannacre 9:45 PM @naomishema @shaznosel wow thats tricky#eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:45 PM @shaznosel  but (going back to one of the first tweets) that'd be a bugger to monitor #eltchat
SophiaMav 9:45 PM RT @shaznosel: I guess project work is the key to involve all ss and able t to monitor somewhat..plus ss are engaged. #ELTchat
joannacre 9:46 PM @shaznosel see now thats my question,how can u monitor so many groups in a large class?cut urself in pieces?#eltchat
prese1 9:46 PM @AnitaJankovic @Shaunwilden children like moving around. give them a purpose/aim to do so with a time limit #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:46 PM @Basmati1967 No apology needed, very happy to see you here! #eltchat
toulasklavou 9:46 PM I suppose you got to be more selective in terms of feedback or not? #eltchat
evab2001 9:47 PM RT @vmorgana: Large Teenage Classes: some strategies to enjoy the lesson! http://t.co/ocSnhO7T via @barbsaka #eltchat #YLs
evab2001 9:47 PM RT @leoselivan: @shaunwilden lots of immediately applicable ideas and tips. http://t.co/txHxdHNgG5 #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 9:47 PM @naomishema Have same problem. I sympathise. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:47 PM RT @toulasklavou: I suppose you got to be more selective in terms of feedback or not? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:47 PM @prese1 but how do you get them moving around effectively with large no.s in a small space? #eltchat
shaznosel 9:47 PM @naomishema Is this just in begining? Do they move away  from the clique l8r? My chnese ss refuse to mve grp at 1st but l8r do move #ELTCHAT
theteacherjames 9:47 PM @timjteacher Appreciate it, but #eltchat is a twitter discussion! If you can squeeze them into 140, you'll be helping a lot of teachers.
naomishema 9:48 PM @shaznosel there were 8 lessons. stayed in clique #ELTCHAT
prese1 9:48 PM @Shaunwilden oops... I was fortunate to work in large classroom #eltchat
shaznosel 9:48 PM @joannacre Guess u have to work on 1 grp at a time??? #ELTCHAT
shaznosel 9:49 PM @naomishema Not easy for them or u..security plays role..do we force them? not very adult like but... #ELTCHAT
toulasklavou 9:49 PM maybe drama or humour are more effective cause more personal reactions #eltchat
AnitaJankovic 9:50 PM My head is spinning with ideas and issues raised, thank you all, great chat. Gotta go. Looking forward to the summary. #ELTchat
joannacre 9:50 PM @shaznosel @naomishema thats where i start saying u r here to learn,we will change groups to practise#eltchat
timjteacher 9:50 PM #eltchat helping kids that hide out starts with connecting to their life outside of class. Incorporate or modify lessons to allow expression
naomishema 9:51 PM @shaznosel the class was for those who failed entry exam, lots of panicky ss, felt had enough 2 deal with without regrouping #ELTCHAT
SharingMemories 9:51 PM @joannacre: @shaznosel how can u monitor so many groups in a large class?cut urself in pieces?#eltchat / choose group leaders and roles
Shaunwilden 9:51 PM last ten minutes for you to get your advice in on teaching large classes #eltchat
shaznosel 9:51 PM @toulasklavou Drama suits some but not all..must be diff to find sthg to suit all abilities/styles/tastes #ELTCHAT
timjteacher 9:51 PM @theteacherjames #eltchat alternate assignments and instructional methodologies to focus on different outputs for the student. No group work
MarjorieRosenbe 9:52 PM @SophiaMav @shaznosel That's when cooperative learning works. Mixed groups helping each other. #eltchat
SharingMemories 9:52 PM @joannacre: @shaznosel see now thats my question,how can u monitor so many groups in a large class?#eltchat / grade them as a group
SueAnnan 9:52 PM @timjteacher @theteacherjames Why no group work? #ELTchat
toulasklavou 9:52 PM @shaznosel You must find some common ones in a class of 40!#eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:53 PM the issues of monitoring and giving feedback seem to be ones that keep coming up in this #eltchat
timjteacher 9:53 PM @theteacherjames #eltchat output/objective of student work should be as real-world relevant, connected and actionable as possible.
naomishema 9:54 PM I've really enjoyed this chat & proud I've stayed awake so nicely but I can't manage it anymore. Good night #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:54 PM RT @SueAnnan: so what would you do for a first lesson with a huge class of teens? #ELTchat
shaznosel 9:54 PM @naomishema Difficult one..each grp member has to take on a role..1 is secretary, 1 is leader...etc to include all members? #ELTCHAT
SueAnnan 9:54 PM so what would you do for a first lesson with a huge class of teens? #ELTchat
prese1 9:55 PM @SueAnnan @Shaunwilden  I'd get to know them, create a good rapport #eltchat
prese1 9:55 PM @Shaunwilden I collected HW to correct, extremely time consuming, ideas? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:55 PM RT @prese1: @Shaunwilden I collected HW to correct, extremely time consuming, ideas? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:55 PM @SueAnnan i think i wouldnt do a large mingle based on tomights advice :-) #eltchat
shaznosel 9:55 PM @MarjorieRosenbe yes collaborate..asign each member a role- secretary/leader/moniotr..cld help feedback too #ELTCHAT
Basmati1967 9:56 PM @leoselivan @Shaunwilden thanks #eltchat
joannacre 9:56 PM @SueAnnan keep ur fingers crossed#Eltchat
joannacre 9:56 PM @SueAnnan keep ur fingers crossed#eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:56 PM @prese1 peer correction?  introduce self-assessment? Group collaborative writing? #eltchat
shaznosel 9:56 PM @prese1 Must be a lot of H/W..peer correction- but canu trust all ss to be vigilant? #ELTCHAT
theteacherjames 9:56 PM @timjteacher Definitely agree with real world approach, but why no group work? #eltchat
timjteacher 9:56 PM #eltchat  just thoughts off the top of my head. They hide because they know they can. Don't let them, but be nice about it. No singling out
CotterHUE 9:57 PM Try to balance effective learning with time. A lot needed to grade assignments, provide help, one-to-one counseling, etc #eltchat
joannacre 9:57 PM @shaznosel @prese1 and some sts want the t to check their answers not the sts#eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 9:57 PM @shaznosel @naomishema That works well. We call them interdependent groups. #eltchat
SophiaMav 9:57 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @prese1 peer correction?  introduce self-assessment? Group collaborative writing? #ELTchat
SueAnnan 9:57 PM Someone suggested  some packs of cards.students were given 1 each and had to give facts about themselves according to no on card #ELTChat
theteacherjames 9:57 PM RT @timjteacher: #eltchat  just thoughts off the top of my head. They hide because they know they can. Don't let them, but be nice about ...
theteacherjames 9:58 PM Of course large groups does give you the opportunity for heads down quiet time, something sts need every now & again. #eltchat
timjteacher 9:58 PM #eltchat  group work gives them a chance to hide, retreat or coast. No group bigger than 3. Clearly defined roles within them.
toulasklavou 9:58 PM @Shaunwilden One of the aims is to teach Ss,so do they feel they learnt anything when they leave class?or feel lost in the crowd?#eltchat
Basmati1967 9:59 PM @timjteacher what no singing LoL #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 9:59 PM Also off tp bed. Thanks all. #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 9:59 PM A friend was criticised for using coop learning by parent who thought she wasnt teaching although kids were learning. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:59 PM @SueAnnan you're doing the summary I believe #eltchat
shaznosel 9:59 PM @SueAnnan Rorys dice...lots of them so u can use them in a big grp..not  alot of prep and fun to produce lang and ss write up story #ELTCHAT
theteacherjames 9:59 PM So would anyone like to be the star pupil in this very large class and offer to do the summary? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 10:00 PM ooo this is my 14,000th tweet! thanks to everyone for joining #eltchat tonight good discussion :-)
shaznosel 10:00 PM @MarjorieRosenbe Sounds familiar! Night and sleep tight! #ELTCHAT
SueAnnan 10:00 PM @shaznosel I don't know Rory's dice #ELTchat
SueAnnan 10:00 PM @Shaunwilden Yes #ELTchat
lewiswaitt 10:01 PM @timjteacher #eltchat so yes to group work? I would consider 3 or 4 members with assigned roles a well organised group.
MarjorieRosenbe 10:01 PM @TomTesol @LizziePinard From earlier chat. This was for High school teachers here who are mostly experienced. #eltchat
prese1 10:01 PM Thanks for the chat #eltchat
SueAnnan 10:01 PM Thanks everyone. Great chat. Good tips and further reading #ELTchat
theteacherjames 10:01 PM @Basmati1967 Don't worry, we have someone, but we're always looking for people in the future! #eltchat
toulasklavou 10:01 PM Goodnight everyone!nice talking to you! #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 10:02 PM RT @joannacre: @shaznosel @MarjorieRosenbe i gave sts tasks to do in groups at home and they recorded themselves on their phones while d ...
Shaunwilden 10:02 PM RT @shaznosel: Great chat and i take my hat off to all of u workig with big classes! Well done!xNight all! #ELTCHAT
shaznosel 10:02 PM Great chat and i take my hat off to all of u workig with big classes! Well done!xNight all! #ELTCHAT
SophiaMav 10:02 PM Goodnight eveyone. Thanks for a great  #ELTchat
theteacherjames 10:02 PM Thanks for a great chat everyone, very interesting. See you next week. #eltchat
Basmati1967 10:03 PM RT @theteacherjames: Thanks for a great chat everyone, very interesting. See you next week. #eltchat
lewiswaitt 10:03 PM Thanks to everyone on #eltchat tonight. Looking forward to the next.
MarjorieRosenbe 10:03 PM @theteacherjames Agree. But so is a group of six who yawn and look at their watches. #eltchat

 

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