username |
time |
status |
Shaunwilden |
8:59 PM |
ready for #eltchat? |
AnitaJankovic |
9:01 PM |
ready #ELTchat |
naomishema |
9:01 PM |
Hello everyone! This topic I actually know something about! #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:01 PM |
#eltchat is Tips and techniques for teaching large classes (40) or more students |
shaznosel |
9:01 PM |
@Shaunwilden Ready as can be but have to say I'm lurking..not a lot of exp with 40+ ss.. #ELTCHAT |
SophiaMav |
9:01 PM |
Hello everyone :) #ELTchat |
naomishema |
9:02 PM |
@Shaunwilden 38 students my max number #eltchat |
prese1 |
9:02 PM |
Hello everyone #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:02 PM |
@naomishema phew i am glad someone does, not a situation i know much about #eltchat |
shaznosel |
9:02 PM |
@vickyloras Perastika paidimou!x #ELTCHAT |
vickyloras |
9:02 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: #eltchat is Tips and techniques for teaching large classes (40) or more students |
vickyloras |
9:02 PM |
@Shaunwilden Ready (despite a temperature grrrr) #ELTChat |
AnitaJankovic |
9:03 PM |
greetings from Serbia #ELTchat |
prese1 |
9:03 PM |
27 young learners #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:03 PM |
Ok so large classes then - apart from numbers, how do they differ from other classes? #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:03 PM |
@vickyloras as I am fond of saying, we all have temperatures ;-) #eltchat |
shaznosel |
9:03 PM |
@SophiaMav Howdie partner!x #ELTCHAT |
SophiaMav |
9:03 PM |
The largest class I've ever taught 32 sts #ELTchat |
theteacherjames |
9:03 PM |
Good afternoon everyone! #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
9:03 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: #eltchat is Tips and techniques for teaching large classes (40) or more students |
CotterHUE |
9:04 PM |
Havent taught large classes in a long time, at least not regularly. But looking forward to contributing as much as I can. #eltchat |
SophiaMav |
9:04 PM |
@shaznosel Hey partner!! Good to see u again :) #ELTchat |
vickyloras |
9:04 PM |
@shaznosel Thank you agapi mou! #ELTChat |
AnitaJankovic |
9:05 PM |
I usually teach between 80 and 100 students per semester #ELTchat |
eltcat |
9:05 PM |
miaow did someone say elt cat? Oh no #eltchat, sorry I'll go back to sleep. |
prese1 |
9:05 PM |
@Shaunwilden classroom management #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:05 PM |
@prese1 as in its impossible to manage? #eltchat |
shaznosel |
9:05 PM |
@prese1 Hello! That's still big for me..guess it's state school classes? #ELTCHAT |
AnitaJankovic |
9:06 PM |
@Shaunwilden they are also mixed ability, language level classes. #ELTchat |
prese1 |
9:06 PM |
@shaznosel primary school #eltchat |
shaznosel |
9:06 PM |
@CotterHUE Me too...private lang schools..upto 12 ss, but state schools up2 25.. #ELTCHAT |
SueAnnan |
9:06 PM |
How do you make opportunities for them to speak? #ELTchat |
AnitaJankovic |
9:07 PM |
@SueAnnan working in small groups #ELTchat |
CotterHUE |
9:07 PM |
RT @AnitaJankovic: @Shaunwilden they are also mixed ability, language level classes. #ELTchat |
naomishema |
9:07 PM |
I taught 38 adults in private lang school but class geared to reading academic texts 4 acceptance 2 college. we barely did speaking #eltchat |
prese1 |
9:07 PM |
@AnitaJankovic @Shaunwilden yes,mixed ability. #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:07 PM |
@AnitaJankovic @prese1 Isnt mixed ability a trait of all classes? #eltchat |
shaznosel |
9:07 PM |
@AnitaJankovic Ahh..per semester..not all in the same class? As I ve heard in China classes of 50 r norm.. #ELTCHAT |
SophiaMav |
9:07 PM |
@SueAnnan I think having sts in groups can be effective #ELTchat |
CotterHUE |
9:08 PM |
Mixed ability, as @AnitaJankovic said. But also mixed motivation, mixed goals, mixed needs, mixed interest. #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
9:08 PM |
Also have max 24. But have held teacher training with 35-40 teachers. Does thay count? #eltchat |
naomishema |
9:08 PM |
In state school system english classes often have 40 students. but at school I teach special ed, so not me! Private school - yes. #eltchat |
prese1 |
9:08 PM |
@Shaunwilden @AnitaJankovic you can spot them straight off in smaller groups #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
9:08 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @AnitaJankovic @prese1 Isnt mixed ability a trait of all classes? #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
9:08 PM |
MY daughter starts work in China next week with a class of 45 #ELTchat |
prese1 |
9:09 PM |
@theteacherjames @Shaunwilden @SophiaMav @SueAnnan so true #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:09 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: @SophiaMav @SueAnnan But I guess it must be difficult to give worthwhile feedback when they are so many. #eltchat |
shaznosel |
9:09 PM |
Friend in China teaches spkg to 50 ss in 1 class! Guess that's why Chinese ss have poor spkg skills compared to their rdg/wrtg #ELTCHAT |
theteacherjames |
9:09 PM |
RT @CotterHUE: Mixed ability, as @AnitaJankovic said. But also mixed motivation, mixed goals, mixed needs, mixed interest. #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
9:09 PM |
@SophiaMav @SueAnnan But I guess it must be difficult to give worthwhile feedback when they are so many. #eltchat |
CotterHUE |
9:10 PM |
@shaunwilden: Isnt mixed ability a trait of all classes? #eltchat Maybe so, but harder to reach 40 than 4... & observe effectiveness. |
joannacre |
9:10 PM |
@SophiaMav @SueAnnan yes but how can u monitor so many groups or sts in large classes?#eltchat |
naomishema |
9:10 PM |
Having a class computer system like edmodo really helped me. students felt "noticed" - could be in touch #eltchat |
prese1 |
9:10 PM |
RT @shaznosel: @Shaunwilden Or even spot mistakes with so many.. #ELTCHAT |
Shaunwilden |
9:10 PM |
RT @naomishema: Having a class computer system like edmodo really helped me. students felt "noticed" - could be in touch #eltchat |
shaznosel |
9:10 PM |
@Shaunwilden Or even spot mistakes with so many.. #ELTCHAT |
SueAnnan |
9:10 PM |
@naomishema Interesting idea #ELTchat |
AnitaJankovic |
9:11 PM |
@joannacre having more proficient students as TAs #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:11 PM |
RT @AnitaJankovic: @joannacre having more proficient students as TAs #ELTchat that's a good idea |
Shaunwilden |
9:11 PM |
@joannacre @SophiaMav @SueAnnan i woiuld imagine things such as monitoring are not that effective #eltchat |
shaznosel |
9:11 PM |
@joannacre can you split class and arrange diff activites so to have time with weaker ss? #ELTCHAT |
theteacherjames |
9:11 PM |
@prese1 @Shaunwilden @SophiaMav @SueAnnan So what can be done about it? #eltchat |
joannacre |
9:12 PM |
@SueAnnan group work/study groups. They can even record themselves talking in groups as hw #eltchat |
louisealix68 |
9:12 PM |
RT @shaznosel: @joannacre can you split class and arrange diff activites so to have time with weaker ss? #ELTCHAT |
naomishema |
9:12 PM |
@SueAnnan Taught first course without edmodo, second with, big difference in ss perception of having individual attention #ELTchat |
prese1 |
9:12 PM |
@theteacherjames @Shaunwilden @SophiaMav @SueAnnan with the YL we had class games using target language #eltchat |
shaznosel |
9:12 PM |
RT @shaznosel: @joannacre can you split class and arrange diff activites so to have time with weaker ss? #ELTCHAT |
vickyloras |
9:12 PM |
RT @naomishema: Having a class computer system like edmodo really helped me. students felt "noticed" - could be in touch #eltchat |
louisealix68 |
9:13 PM |
ok, have done a quick read to catch up. Sounds like some have HUGE classes. #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
9:13 PM |
Sometimes the larger classea are livlier and sts do.more than small groups do. #eltchat |
naomishema |
9:13 PM |
RT @shaznosel: @vickyloras so out of class activites are the key... #ELTCHAT |
naomishema |
9:13 PM |
remembering names was a prob for me. #eltchat |
shaznosel |
9:13 PM |
@vickyloras so out of class activites are the key... #ELTCHAT |
AnitaJankovic |
9:14 PM |
@naomishema using their seating arrangement was helpful for me in remembering names #ELTchat |
AnitaJankovic |
9:14 PM |
@naomishema I agree, asynchronous communication is the key #ELTchat |
joannacre |
9:14 PM |
@shaznosel that's an issue. weaker sts and their needs in large classes #eltchat |
louisealix68 |
9:14 PM |
How about team teaching? School I was at had large classes, but 2 teachers - 1 1/2 really so we split time dep on what needed. #eltchat |
prese1 |
9:14 PM |
@shaznosel @MarjorieRosenbe difficult #eltchat |
prese1 |
9:14 PM |
@naomishema my register had a photo for every name #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:14 PM |
i presume trying to gauge timings and pace of activities is quite hard too, am bad enuff at it in small classes as it is! #eltchat |
shaznosel |
9:14 PM |
@naomishema Can imagine! Name tags essential! #ELTCHAT |
shaznosel |
9:14 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe How can you be sure weak.r are really involved and producing lang? #ELTCHAT |
theteacherjames |
9:14 PM |
RT @shaznosel: @vickyloras so out of class activites are the key... #ELTCHAT |
theteacherjames |
9:14 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe I'm not sure lively is always good though! ;-) #eltchat |
AnitaJankovic |
9:15 PM |
@Shaunwilden I teach block classes of three hours, so time management isn't an issue #ELTchat |
joannacre |
9:15 PM |
@shaznosel @MarjorieRosenbe i gave sts tasks to do in groups at home and they recorded themselves on their phones while doing them #eltchat |
kierandonaghy |
9:15 PM |
RT @jo_cummins: New blog post on thoughts and ideas about different types of very short stories. http://t.co/Lq0gvaea #eltchat #efl #esl ... |
MarjorieRosenbe |
9:15 PM |
@theteacherjames At least liveleans they are engaged. Better than looking bored or texting. #eltchat |
naomishema |
9:15 PM |
@prese1 yeah, i'm aiming for that next time. only some of the adult ss uploaded their photo to edmdo #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
9:15 PM |
@shaznosel @MarjorieRosenbe or that they are, in fact, the weaker ones- and not just underperforming #ELTChat |
vickyloras |
9:15 PM |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: Sometimes the larger classea are livlier and sts do.more than small groups do. #eltchat |
AnitaJankovic |
9:16 PM |
RT @joannacre i gave sts tasks to do in groups at home and they recorded themselves on their phones while doing them #ELTchat |
shaznosel |
9:16 PM |
@joannacre Can imagine but guess after time u can focus on them but then stronger ss usually need T attention... #ELTCHAT |
vickyloras |
9:16 PM |
@springrose12 Hi Tuba! I was feeling ok earlier bt now I have a temperature again : ( I love tonight's topic on ELTChat : ) Hope u're well! |
louisealix68 |
9:17 PM |
perhaps luxury in comparison, but I find 32 teens a large class. Do you feel difference between age + skills in independent working #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
9:17 PM |
@naomishema Still is. I tell them it's a senior moment or brain freeze, they cam pick. #eltchat |
naomishema |
9:17 PM |
I spent all my breaks in class answering Q from weaker SS or panicky students (was a class 4 those who had failed college entry) #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:17 PM |
@SueAnnan i imgine phones will be about could utilise texts #eltchat |
shaznosel |
9:17 PM |
@joannacre Brilliant..making it personal and autonomous.. #ELTCHAT |
SueAnnan |
9:17 PM |
Not sure how much technology will be around in rural China. Might be chalk and talk #ELTchat |
theteacherjames |
9:17 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe True - I just worry about a lively class of 50 sts, sounds like hard work! #eltchat |
dianatremayne |
9:18 PM |
“@teflerinha: The chicken nugget experiment- a free downloadable lesson #eltchat #esol #horsemeat http://t.co/uMBeg8RpKA” great idea! |
louisealix68 |
9:18 PM |
@shaznosel is standard state school size here #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
9:18 PM |
@shaznosel Can't tell sometimes in small groups with some who just dont speak. #eltchat |
naomishema |
9:18 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe I'll adopt that idea! #eltchat |
naomishema |
9:18 PM |
RT @shaznosel: @louisealix68 32 teens sounds like a mission rather than a class- hat off to u! #ELTCHAT |
naomishema |
9:18 PM |
@louisealix68 teens are harder than adlts. my adults paid a lot of money for the class - motivating #eltchat |
prese1 |
9:18 PM |
@shaznosel a problem. while helping weaker sts the louder kids get louder. you're better off helping them at the end of class #eltchat |
shaznosel |
9:18 PM |
@louisealix68 32 teens sounds like a mission rather than a class- hat off to u! #ELTCHAT |
SueAnnan |
9:18 PM |
@Shaunwilden suppose you're right :-) #ELTChat Depends if school allows though |
CotterHUE |
9:19 PM |
RT @naomishema: @louisealix68 teens are harder than adlts. my adults paid a lot of money for the class - motivating #eltchat |
joannacre |
9:19 PM |
@shaznosel my chinese sts loved it as they also got the time to talk more in english! #eltchat |
louisealix68 |
9:19 PM |
@naomishema maybe, but adults perhaps demand more 'performance' from teacher (better returns for their money?) #eltchat |
naomishema |
9:19 PM |
RT @prese1: @shaznosel a problem. while helping weaker sts the louder kids get louder. you're better off helping them at the end of cl ... |
MarjorieRosenbe |
9:20 PM |
Getting sts involved can be just as difficult in small group as in large. Any ideas? #eltchat |
naomishema |
9:20 PM |
@joannacre aren't Chinese students more obediet? I've read so. Israeli teens are not. No way I would teach 40 at school! #eltchat |
shaznosel |
9:20 PM |
@naomishema Not just levels with teens but interests too/no way could they all like the same music..difficult 4 class mgt too.. #ELTCHAT |
theteacherjames |
9:20 PM |
I imagine big classes give the weaker / more reluctant sts a place to hide. Tough to manage. #eltchat |
AnitaJankovic |
9:21 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: I imagine big classes give the weaker / more reluctant sts a place to hide. Tough to manage. #eltchat |
CotterHUE |
9:21 PM |
Large classes prevent Ts from feeling reassured that we can reach all Ss (or almost all) in class & help Ss teach goals. #eltchat |
prese1 |
9:21 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe what age group? #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
9:21 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe @barbsaka is doing a webinar on friday about that #ELTchat |
CotterHUE |
9:22 PM |
@theteacherjames: big classes give the weaker/more reluctant sts a place to hide. Tough to manage. #eltchat ... blessing in my uni math days |
joannacre |
9:22 PM |
@naomishema id say they like working hard#eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
9:22 PM |
@naomishema which idea? #eltchat |
shaznosel |
9:22 PM |
@joannacre I work with Chinese s in the summer and they are so withdrawn at beg 2 spk but l8tr love spkg lessons- pleasurable exp #ELTCHAT |
SophiaMav |
9:22 PM |
@theteacherjames true, we need to give those students active roles within the group otherwise they will just be lurking #ELTchat |
naomishema |
9:23 PM |
Having answer keys on TS desk very useful for group work with worksheets. SS send rep from group to check answers or look at hints #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
9:23 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: @SophiaMav Yes, and that takes some teaching skill to achieve. #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
9:23 PM |
@CotterHUE Been there too! #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
9:23 PM |
@SophiaMav Yes, and that takes some teaching skill to achieve. #eltchat |
vickyloras |
9:23 PM |
RT @SophiaMav: @theteacherjames true, we need to give those students active roles within the group otherwise they will just be lurking # ... |
AnitaJankovic |
9:24 PM |
@naomishema great idea #ELTchat |
naomishema |
9:24 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe brainfreeze or senior moment #eltchat |
prese1 |
9:24 PM |
@naomishema totally agree. keeps them engaged and busy. there are always fast finishers? #eltchat |
Sandratweet |
9:24 PM |
RT @naomishema: Having a class computer system like edmodo really helped me. students felt "noticed" - could be in touch #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:24 PM |
RT @toulasklavou: Hi everyone? To what extent is learning effective in large classes?#eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:24 PM |
@SophiaMav yes assigning roles is def a good idea though that risks over complicating a task #eltchat |
shaznosel |
9:24 PM |
@naomishema wow..real peer work in action.. #ELTCHAT |
toulasklavou |
9:24 PM |
Hi everyone? To what extent is learning effective in large classes?#eltchat |
AnitaJankovic |
9:25 PM |
RT @naomishema: Having answer keys on TS desk useful for group work with worksheets. SS send rep from group to check answers #ELTchat |
louisealix68 |
9:25 PM |
@toulasklavou love the question. But to what extent is it effective in small classes too? #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
9:25 PM |
@naomishema It's Monday is also a good excuse. #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
9:25 PM |
RT @naomishema: Having answer keys on TS desk very useful for group work with worksheets. SS send rep from group to check answers or loo ... |
joannacre |
9:26 PM |
@naomishema or projecting them on the board through OH project#eltchat |
louisealix68 |
9:26 PM |
big classes can be small if desks arranged in groups with easy access for teacher #eltchat |
naomishema |
9:26 PM |
@louisealix68 who has desks? lang school has chairs with writing area... #eltchat |
naomishema |
9:26 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe not in Israel. week starts on Sunday! LOL! #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:26 PM |
RT @louisealix68: big classes can be small if desks arranged in groups with easy access for teacher #eltchat good idea |
SueAnnan |
9:26 PM |
@louisealix68 chairs not always moveable #ELTchat |
SueAnnan |
9:26 PM |
@louisealix68 @toulasklavou perhaps it is more measurable in smaller groups #ELTChat |
theteacherjames |
9:26 PM |
RT @toulasklavou: Hi everyone? To what extent is learning effective in large classes?>> Great question. What do you think? #eltchat |
toulasklavou |
9:26 PM |
RT @CotterHUE: @theteacherjames: big classes give the weaker/more reluctant sts a place to hide. Tough to manage. #eltchat ... blessing ... |
louisealix68 |
9:27 PM |
@SueAnnan aargh - always a problem! #eltchat I have traditional desk+chair+blackboard so can move things about a bit |
MarjorieRosenbe |
9:27 PM |
@naomishema Oh right. Forgot. #eltchat |
prese1 |
9:27 PM |
@joannacre: @naomishema also having a projector or IWB is useful but not always possible #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:27 PM |
@naomishema so i guess that makes it easy to group people? #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
9:27 PM |
@naomishema @louisealix68 I hate those little chairs with the desk area attached #ELTChat |
AnitaJankovic |
9:28 PM |
@louisealix68 I usualy work in a lecture hall, so no moving about #ELTchat |
louisealix68 |
9:28 PM |
@SueAnnan @naomishema not always left-handed people friendly! #eltchat |
naomishema |
9:28 PM |
@louisealix68 we have about four left handed ones to a room, i think #eltchat |
naomishema |
9:28 PM |
@Shaunwilden for group work chairs advantage. but u can see ss struggling for space with coursebook, notebok, dict, etc #eltchat |
SaritaAgerman |
9:28 PM |
RT @vmorgana: Large Teenage Classes: some strategies to enjoy the lesson! http://t.co/ocSnhO7T via @barbsaka #eltchat #YLs |
Shaunwilden |
9:28 PM |
RT @CotterHUE: Extra activities &challenges needed for stronger sts. et up activities that let Ss work at their own pace & ability. #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
9:28 PM |
@SophiaMav Could be a very rewarding challenge, or very demotivating. I think I'd like to give it a go at some point. #eltchat |
toulasklavou |
9:28 PM |
don't think large classes are ideal 4 learning,need skillful Ts& Ss eager 2 learn#eltchat |
AnitaJankovic |
9:29 PM |
RT @CotterHUE: Extra activities &challenges needed for stronger sts. et up activities that let Ss work at their own pace & ability. #ELTchat |
CotterHUE |
9:29 PM |
Own pace discussion: Ss are given a series of Qs to discuss w/partner for 5 min. Ss ask Qs of interest, add own followup Qs, etc. #eltchat |
naomishema |
9:29 PM |
RT @toulasklavou: don't think large classes are ideal 4 learning,need skillful Ts& Ss eager 2 learn#eltchat > easier with stronger ss |
shaznosel |
9:29 PM |
@theteacherjames Ask those T s with big classes..do u just do your job or do u think acquisition actually takes place? #ELTCHAT |
theteacherjames |
9:29 PM |
@AnitaJankovic @louisealix68 I imagine most very large groups are in lecture halls, must limit the options even more. #eltchat |
AnitaJankovic |
9:30 PM |
@theteacherjames I rely mostly on the online component of the course, classes serve as consult time and group work #ELTchat |
louisealix68 |
9:30 PM |
@theteacherjames @AnitaJankovic title says a lot "lecture" must be very creative teacher to be able to create effective group work! #eltchat |
naomishema |
9:30 PM |
@AnitaJankovic SS who finish quickly can start h.w #ELTchat |
shaznosel |
9:30 PM |
@Shaunwilden Guess u need activities for strong ss and activities for weak..must be like a cont effort? |
AnitaJankovic |
9:31 PM |
@louisealix68 you can say that again :) #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:31 PM |
@AnitaJankovic @theteacherjames isnt that harder as all might want to consult on a diffent aspect? #eltchat |
shaznosel |
9:31 PM |
@AnitaJankovic Can c the on-line element must be an ess back-up #ELTCHAT |
theteacherjames |
9:31 PM |
@shaznosel I'm sure it's possible, but must be much harder to measure. #eltchat |
AnitaJankovic |
9:32 PM |
@Shaunwilden it can get messy #ELTchat |
leoselivan |
9:32 PM |
Sorry for being late. What's the topic? #eltchat |
naomishema |
9:32 PM |
I'm pretty sure (really sure!) that some TS just lecture when the classes r so large. #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
9:32 PM |
@Basmati1967 @toulasklavou That's what I wonder, it must be very hard to prevent that. #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
9:32 PM |
@louisealix68 @AnitaJankovic Agreed, it must push a teacher's abilities to the limit. #eltchat |
toulasklavou |
9:32 PM |
I remember myself as a S in high school, I believe I could've learnt more if smaller classes#eltchat |
joannacre |
9:33 PM |
@AnitaJankovic @CotterHUE that needs alot of planning and needs analysis, knowing which st needs what#eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:33 PM |
@leoselivan large classes #eltchat |
shaznosel |
9:33 PM |
@theteacherjames how do u check all those diff activities at the same time!..ss must also be asking q's/demanding att/tough job #ELTCHAT |
SophiaMav |
9:33 PM |
@naomishema I think those teachers would lecture anyway ;) #ELTchat |
SueAnnan |
9:33 PM |
@leoselivan HI Leo. Teaching tips for large classes #ELTchat |
joannacre |
9:34 PM |
@naomishema and i guess the lrs in those classes get bored eh? #eltchat |
leoselivan |
9:34 PM |
@Shaunwilden @SueAnnan thanks! heard Penny Ur's talk on the topic recently. Can share the handout #eltchat |
louisealix68 |
9:34 PM |
sorry guys, head thumping and still have pile of tests to mark..... enjoy chat. Is a lively one tonight! #eltchat |
naomishema |
9:34 PM |
@SophiaMav a lot of checking things at home with big groups. more time consuming for TS in every way #ELTchat |
theteacherjames |
9:34 PM |
@shaznosel Yes, I'm wondering how you turn all those group & pair work activities into something more meaningful with so many. #eltchat |
toulasklavou |
9:34 PM |
IMO T is more concerned with discipline issues&attracting Ss' attention than actually get'em to learn, seems frustrating#eltchat |
naomishema |
9:35 PM |
@joannacre sorry, irs? #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:35 PM |
RT @toulasklavou: IMO T is more concerned with discipline issues&attracting Ss' attention than actually get'em to learn, seems frust ... |
Shaunwilden |
9:35 PM |
@leoselivan that would be good #eltchat what did she suggest? #eltchat |
SophiaMav |
9:35 PM |
@naomishema absolutely agree. It's much more demanding #ELTchat |
SueAnnan |
9:35 PM |
@leoselivan @Shaunwilden that would be great #ELTChat |
lewiswaitt |
9:36 PM |
#eltchat With larger groups, I always try to limit my pre-made resources and include the students in the preparation. |
Shaunwilden |
9:36 PM |
RT @lewiswaitt: #eltchat With larger groups, I always try to limit my pre-made resources and include the students in the preparation. |
shaznosel |
9:36 PM |
@leoselivan Penny Ur should have some answers..I m just in awe of you who teach such big classes #ELTCHAT |
theteacherjames |
9:36 PM |
RT @timjteacher: don't imagine it, that's the reality. (don't forget the #eltchat hashtag!) |
AnitaJankovic |
9:37 PM |
RT @leoselivan: @shaunwilden lots of immediately applicable ideas and tips. http://t.co/yw1UPk50bD #ELTchat |
AnitaJankovic |
9:37 PM |
RT @lewiswaitt: #eltchat With larger groups, I try to limit my pre-made resources and include the students in the preparation. #ELTchat |
leoselivan |
9:37 PM |
@shaunwilden lots of immediately applicable ideas and tips. http://t.co/txHxdHNgG5 #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
9:37 PM |
@Basmati1967 @toulasklavou I would say that that is a ideal maximum size too. I enjoyed teaching that number. #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
9:37 PM |
@timjteacher So what can you do about it? There must be strategies. #eltchat |
AnitaJankovic |
9:38 PM |
@leoselivan thanx #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:38 PM |
@leoselivan ta thats quite the handout :-) #eltchat |
toulasklavou |
9:38 PM |
@shaznosel me too, I admire these teachers! |
prese1 |
9:39 PM |
@leoselivan thanx #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:39 PM |
RT @shaznosel: How do u work time limits in big classes..with such a high degree of mixed ability/do weak ss always get paired with stro ... |
shaznosel |
9:39 PM |
How do u work time limits in big classes..with such a high degree of mixed ability/do weak ss always get paired with strong ss? #ELTCHAT |
theteacherjames |
9:39 PM |
RT @leoselivan: @shaunwilden lots of immediately applicable ideas and tips. http://t.co/txHxdHNgG5 #eltchat |
AnitaJankovic |
9:40 PM |
@shaznosel not really pairing complete opposites, cause the weaker can get intimidated #ELTchat |
Basmati1967 |
9:40 PM |
@theteacherjames @toulasklavou Oh sorry new to this game LoL #eltchat |
naomishema |
9:40 PM |
@shaznosel with the adults they chose thier own groups. there was a strong division between different groups, didn't fight it. #ELTCHAT |
Shaunwilden |
9:40 PM |
So far lots of advice for dealing with class, is there is anything that should be avoided? #eltchat |
CotterHUE |
9:41 PM |
Have Ss partner with many other Ss. Repeat activities with added challenges so weaker Ss can grasp TL, stronger Ss not bored. #eltchat |
prese1 |
9:41 PM |
@Shaunwilden correcting individual written work during class time #eltchat |
prese1 |
9:41 PM |
@AnitaJankovic @shaznosel how about groups of threes? #eltchat |
AnitaJankovic |
9:42 PM |
@prese1 I usually organize them in groups of six, but will try three #ELTchat |
AnitaJankovic |
9:42 PM |
@Shaunwilden activities that involve moving about the classroom :) #ELTchat |
designerlessons |
9:42 PM |
Hi, I'm jumping in - late, but with large and mixed ability groups project work is useful. Collaboration goes at its own pace #ELTchat |
joannacre |
9:42 PM |
@Shaunwilden going into a large class unprepared#eltchat |
shaznosel |
9:42 PM |
@toulasklavou I'm nver cpomplaining again when i have 25 ss..!True what u say abt high school..neglect !up2 T! #ELTCHAT |
toulasklavou |
9:42 PM |
What abt the syllabus?&the pace 2 cover everything needed? #eltchat |
AnitaJankovic |
9:43 PM |
RT @designerlessons: with large and mixed ability groups project work is useful. Collaboration goes at its own pace #ELTchat |
CotterHUE |
9:43 PM |
Have Ss set goals/create self-contract at course start (w/handout to be returned to T). Ss more motivated bcz know what to work for #eltchat |
joannacre |
9:43 PM |
@Shaunwilden never go into a large class unprepared#eltchat |
naomishema |
9:43 PM |
@shaznosel no, I meant they don't want to mix. they only want to work with their clique. I didn't fight them #ELTCHAT |
prese1 |
9:43 PM |
@leoselivan @Shaunwilden @SueAnnan yes, please #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:43 PM |
RT @naomishema: Really hard when administration lets ss join the course after 2 or 3 lessons. no time to help them catch up!argh! #eltchat] |
shaznosel |
9:43 PM |
@AnitaJankovic Hope it's a big classroom! #ELTCHAT |
shaznosel |
9:43 PM |
@naomishema Guess they are more acceptable to mixing- no personality clashes as in YLs.. #ELTCHAT |
AnitaJankovic |
9:44 PM |
@shaznosel just enough #ELTchat |
shaznosel |
9:44 PM |
I guess project work is the key to involve all ss and able t to monitor somewhat..plus ss are engaged. #ELTCHAT |
AnitaJankovic |
9:45 PM |
RT @CotterHUE: Have Ss set goals/create self-contract at course start. Ss more motivated bcz know what to work for #ELTchat |
joannacre |
9:45 PM |
@naomishema @shaznosel wow thats tricky#eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:45 PM |
@shaznosel but (going back to one of the first tweets) that'd be a bugger to monitor #eltchat |
SophiaMav |
9:45 PM |
RT @shaznosel: I guess project work is the key to involve all ss and able t to monitor somewhat..plus ss are engaged. #ELTchat |
joannacre |
9:46 PM |
@shaznosel see now thats my question,how can u monitor so many groups in a large class?cut urself in pieces?#eltchat |
prese1 |
9:46 PM |
@AnitaJankovic @Shaunwilden children like moving around. give them a purpose/aim to do so with a time limit #eltchat |
theteacherjames |
9:46 PM |
@Basmati1967 No apology needed, very happy to see you here! #eltchat |
toulasklavou |
9:46 PM |
I suppose you got to be more selective in terms of feedback or not? #eltchat |
evab2001 |
9:47 PM |
RT @vmorgana: Large Teenage Classes: some strategies to enjoy the lesson! http://t.co/ocSnhO7T via @barbsaka #eltchat #YLs |
evab2001 |
9:47 PM |
RT @leoselivan: @shaunwilden lots of immediately applicable ideas and tips. http://t.co/txHxdHNgG5 #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
9:47 PM |
@naomishema Have same problem. I sympathise. #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:47 PM |
RT @toulasklavou: I suppose you got to be more selective in terms of feedback or not? #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:47 PM |
@prese1 but how do you get them moving around effectively with large no.s in a small space? #eltchat |
shaznosel |
9:47 PM |
@naomishema Is this just in begining? Do they move away from the clique l8r? My chnese ss refuse to mve grp at 1st but l8r do move #ELTCHAT |
theteacherjames |
9:47 PM |
@timjteacher Appreciate it, but #eltchat is a twitter discussion! If you can squeeze them into 140, you'll be helping a lot of teachers. |
naomishema |
9:48 PM |
@shaznosel there were 8 lessons. stayed in clique #ELTCHAT |
prese1 |
9:48 PM |
@Shaunwilden oops... I was fortunate to work in large classroom #eltchat |
shaznosel |
9:48 PM |
@joannacre Guess u have to work on 1 grp at a time??? #ELTCHAT |
shaznosel |
9:49 PM |
@naomishema Not easy for them or u..security plays role..do we force them? not very adult like but... #ELTCHAT |
toulasklavou |
9:49 PM |
maybe drama or humour are more effective cause more personal reactions #eltchat |
AnitaJankovic |
9:50 PM |
My head is spinning with ideas and issues raised, thank you all, great chat. Gotta go. Looking forward to the summary. #ELTchat |
joannacre |
9:50 PM |
@shaznosel @naomishema thats where i start saying u r here to learn,we will change groups to practise#eltchat |
timjteacher |
9:50 PM |
#eltchat helping kids that hide out starts with connecting to their life outside of class. Incorporate or modify lessons to allow expression |
naomishema |
9:51 PM |
@shaznosel the class was for those who failed entry exam, lots of panicky ss, felt had enough 2 deal with without regrouping #ELTCHAT |
SharingMemories |
9:51 PM |
@joannacre: @shaznosel how can u monitor so many groups in a large class?cut urself in pieces?#eltchat / choose group leaders and roles |
Shaunwilden |
9:51 PM |
last ten minutes for you to get your advice in on teaching large classes #eltchat |
shaznosel |
9:51 PM |
@toulasklavou Drama suits some but not all..must be diff to find sthg to suit all abilities/styles/tastes #ELTCHAT |
timjteacher |
9:51 PM |
@theteacherjames #eltchat alternate assignments and instructional methodologies to focus on different outputs for the student. No group work |
MarjorieRosenbe |
9:52 PM |
@SophiaMav @shaznosel That's when cooperative learning works. Mixed groups helping each other. #eltchat |
SharingMemories |
9:52 PM |
@joannacre: @shaznosel see now thats my question,how can u monitor so many groups in a large class?#eltchat / grade them as a group |
SueAnnan |
9:52 PM |
@timjteacher @theteacherjames Why no group work? #ELTchat |
toulasklavou |
9:52 PM |
@shaznosel You must find some common ones in a class of 40!#eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:53 PM |
the issues of monitoring and giving feedback seem to be ones that keep coming up in this #eltchat |
timjteacher |
9:53 PM |
@theteacherjames #eltchat output/objective of student work should be as real-world relevant, connected and actionable as possible. |
naomishema |
9:54 PM |
I've really enjoyed this chat & proud I've stayed awake so nicely but I can't manage it anymore. Good night #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:54 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: so what would you do for a first lesson with a huge class of teens? #ELTchat |
shaznosel |
9:54 PM |
@naomishema Difficult one..each grp member has to take on a role..1 is secretary, 1 is leader...etc to include all members? #ELTCHAT |
SueAnnan |
9:54 PM |
so what would you do for a first lesson with a huge class of teens? #ELTchat |
prese1 |
9:55 PM |
@SueAnnan @Shaunwilden I'd get to know them, create a good rapport #eltchat |
prese1 |
9:55 PM |
@Shaunwilden I collected HW to correct, extremely time consuming, ideas? #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:55 PM |
RT @prese1: @Shaunwilden I collected HW to correct, extremely time consuming, ideas? #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:55 PM |
@SueAnnan i think i wouldnt do a large mingle based on tomights advice :-) #eltchat |
shaznosel |
9:55 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe yes collaborate..asign each member a role- secretary/leader/moniotr..cld help feedback too #ELTCHAT |
Basmati1967 |
9:56 PM |
@leoselivan @Shaunwilden thanks #eltchat |
joannacre |
9:56 PM |
@SueAnnan keep ur fingers crossed#Eltchat |
joannacre |
9:56 PM |
@SueAnnan keep ur fingers crossed#eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:56 PM |
@prese1 peer correction? introduce self-assessment? Group collaborative writing? #eltchat |
shaznosel |
9:56 PM |
@prese1 Must be a lot of H/W..peer correction- but canu trust all ss to be vigilant? #ELTCHAT |
theteacherjames |
9:56 PM |
@timjteacher Definitely agree with real world approach, but why no group work? #eltchat |
timjteacher |
9:56 PM |
#eltchat just thoughts off the top of my head. They hide because they know they can. Don't let them, but be nice about it. No singling out |
CotterHUE |
9:57 PM |
Try to balance effective learning with time. A lot needed to grade assignments, provide help, one-to-one counseling, etc #eltchat |
joannacre |
9:57 PM |
@shaznosel @prese1 and some sts want the t to check their answers not the sts#eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
9:57 PM |
@shaznosel @naomishema That works well. We call them interdependent groups. #eltchat |
SophiaMav |
9:57 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @prese1 peer correction? introduce self-assessment? Group collaborative writing? #ELTchat |
SueAnnan |
9:57 PM |
Someone suggested some packs of cards.students were given 1 each and had to give facts about themselves according to no on card #ELTChat |
theteacherjames |
9:57 PM |
RT @timjteacher: #eltchat just thoughts off the top of my head. They hide because they know they can. Don't let them, but be nice about ... |
theteacherjames |
9:58 PM |
Of course large groups does give you the opportunity for heads down quiet time, something sts need every now & again. #eltchat |
timjteacher |
9:58 PM |
#eltchat group work gives them a chance to hide, retreat or coast. No group bigger than 3. Clearly defined roles within them. |
toulasklavou |
9:58 PM |
@Shaunwilden One of the aims is to teach Ss,so do they feel they learnt anything when they leave class?or feel lost in the crowd?#eltchat |
Basmati1967 |
9:59 PM |
@timjteacher what no singing LoL #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
9:59 PM |
Also off tp bed. Thanks all. #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
9:59 PM |
A friend was criticised for using coop learning by parent who thought she wasnt teaching although kids were learning. #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:59 PM |
@SueAnnan you're doing the summary I believe #eltchat |
shaznosel |
9:59 PM |
@SueAnnan Rorys dice...lots of them so u can use them in a big grp..not alot of prep and fun to produce lang and ss write up story #ELTCHAT |
theteacherjames |
9:59 PM |
So would anyone like to be the star pupil in this very large class and offer to do the summary? #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
10:00 PM |
ooo this is my 14,000th tweet! thanks to everyone for joining #eltchat tonight good discussion :-) |
shaznosel |
10:00 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe Sounds familiar! Night and sleep tight! #ELTCHAT |
SueAnnan |
10:00 PM |
@shaznosel I don't know Rory's dice #ELTchat |
SueAnnan |
10:00 PM |
@Shaunwilden Yes #ELTchat |
lewiswaitt |
10:01 PM |
@timjteacher #eltchat so yes to group work? I would consider 3 or 4 members with assigned roles a well organised group. |
MarjorieRosenbe |
10:01 PM |
@TomTesol @LizziePinard From earlier chat. This was for High school teachers here who are mostly experienced. #eltchat |
prese1 |
10:01 PM |
Thanks for the chat #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
10:01 PM |
Thanks everyone. Great chat. Good tips and further reading #ELTchat |
theteacherjames |
10:01 PM |
@Basmati1967 Don't worry, we have someone, but we're always looking for people in the future! #eltchat |
toulasklavou |
10:01 PM |
Goodnight everyone!nice talking to you! #eltchat |
MarjorieRosenbe |
10:02 PM |
RT @joannacre: @shaznosel @MarjorieRosenbe i gave sts tasks to do in groups at home and they recorded themselves on their phones while d ... |
Shaunwilden |
10:02 PM |
RT @shaznosel: Great chat and i take my hat off to all of u workig with big classes! Well done!xNight all! #ELTCHAT |
shaznosel |
10:02 PM |
Great chat and i take my hat off to all of u workig with big classes! Well done!xNight all! #ELTCHAT |
SophiaMav |
10:02 PM |
Goodnight eveyone. Thanks for a great #ELTchat |
theteacherjames |
10:02 PM |
Thanks for a great chat everyone, very interesting. See you next week. #eltchat |
Basmati1967 |
10:03 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: Thanks for a great chat everyone, very interesting. See you next week. #eltchat |
lewiswaitt |
10:03 PM |
Thanks to everyone on #eltchat tonight. Looking forward to the next. |
MarjorieRosenbe |
10:03 PM |
@theteacherjames Agree. But so is a group of six who yawn and look at their watches. #eltchat |
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