| username |
time |
status |
| Shaunwilden |
2:02 PM |
I think If i have my time zone correct, it's time for #eltchat |
| BobK99 |
2:03 PM |
@Shaunwilden #eltchat Yup. I'm ready. |
| AlexandraKouk |
2:02 PM |
#eltchat Any ideas/ definitions as to what is learner autonomy? |
| Shaunwilden |
2:04 PM |
RT @AlexandraKouk: #eltchat Any ideas/ definitions as to what is learner autonomy? |
| Shaunwilden |
2:04 PM |
Today's #eltchat is Learner Autonomy. Is it important? If is it, why is it and how can we promote it (should we?) |
| AlexandraKouk |
2:08 PM |
RT @NikkiFortova: @Shaunwilden The way I understand it is the learner's ability to take responsibilty for their learning inside and our ... |
| Marisa_C |
2:08 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: Today's #eltchat is Learner Autonomy. Is it important? If is it, why is it and how can we promote it (should we?) |
| NikkiFortova |
2:08 PM |
@Shaunwilden The way I understand it is the learner's ability to take responsibilty for their learning inside and our he class #eltchat |
| ShellTerrell |
2:08 PM |
14+ Ideas for Valentine's Day |
| Shaunwilden |
2:09 PM |
RT @NikkiFortova: @Shaunwilden The way I understand it is the learner's ability to take responsibilty for their learning inside and our ... |
| elawassell |
2:09 PM |
Learner Autonomy - being able to study on your own, have a say about the direction of learning, responsibility for own learning. |
| NikkiFortova |
2:10 PM |
@Shaunwilden I think they are #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2:10 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @NikkiFortova @elawassell So are your definitions the same? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2:11 PM |
@elawassell @NikkiFortova Job done then see you next week :-) #eltchat |
| elawassell |
2:11 PM |
@Shaunwilden @NikkiFortova yes they are :-) |
| elawassell |
2:12 PM |
@Shaunwilden LOL Shall we talk about the next part of the topic? how to? |
| NikkiFortova |
2:12 PM |
@Shaunwilden @elawassell haha :-) How do you promote autonomy in the classroom? #eltchat |
| AlexandraKouk |
2:12 PM |
#eltchat Is learner autonomy seen as a means or as an end in education? |
| Yohimar |
2:13 PM |
Learners ability 2 go beyond the Teacher's explanations! RT @AlexandraKouk: #eltchat Any ideas/ definitions as to what is learner autonomy |
| cerirhiannon |
2:13 PM |
@Shaunwilden @elawassell @NikkiFortova #eltchat I would say that for a lot of Ss it's also learning not to lean on the teacher? |
| AlexandraKouk |
2:13 PM |
RT @NikkiFortova: @AlexandraKouk Ooh, good questions. Isn't a means to promoting life long education? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2:13 PM |
@elawassell Yes please :-) #eltchat How do you do it? |
| NikkiFortova |
2:13 PM |
@AlexandraKouk Ooh, good questions. Isn't a means to promoting life long education? #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2:14 PM |
@AlexandraKouk autonomy = ability to act independently (is that any different?) #eltchat |
| BobK99 |
2:14 PM |
@NikkiFortova #eltchat I agree. I thought they weren't the same at first, cozv the 'direction' bit, but 'taking resp...in +out' cvrs that:) |
| AlexandraKouk |
2:14 PM |
RT @cerirhiannon:#eltchat I would say that for a lot of Ss it's also learning not to lean on the teacher? > Autonomy =Indepence? |
| Shaunwilden |
2:14 PM |
@cerirhiannon Aye no good leaning on me, with my dodgy kness I'd fall over #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2:15 PM |
RT @NikkiFortova: @cerirhiannon Totally :-) Untying the apron strings, so to speak #eltchat > like it! |
| NikkiFortova |
2:15 PM |
@cerirhiannon Totally :-) Untying the apron strings, so to speak #eltchat |
| elawassell |
2:15 PM |
@Shaunwilden where to begin?! I encourage the use of the dictionaries, on-line OALD is a great tool! #ELTchat |
| bhrbahar |
2:16 PM |
@Shaunwilden #eltchat learner autonomy is to be confident while learning or using the language and to get the responsibility of learning. |
| AlexandraKouk |
2:16 PM |
Here's an interesting read: What is Learner Autonomy and How Can It Be Fostered? http://t.co/i7DdIAKw #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2:16 PM |
RT @elawassell: @Shaunwilden where to begin?! I > by resisting the temptation to answer all ss questions - bounce them back #eltchat |
| AlexandraKouk |
2:17 PM |
RT @elawassell: I try to help my Ss to find materials to read in English - Even if it is facebook or twitter. Graded readers, books - de ... |
| Shaunwilden |
2:17 PM |
RT @bhrbahar: @Shaunwilden #eltchat learner autonomy is to be confident while learning or using the language and to get the responsibili ... |
| elawassell |
2:17 PM |
I try to help my Ss to find materials to read in English - Even if it is facebook or twitter. Graded readers, books - dep on level #ELTchat |
| AlexandraKouk |
2:18 PM |
RT @cerirhiannon: #eltchat ask ss questions - abt wht they're learning, how, wht they wnt, wht works 4 them > encouraging reflection then? |
| Shaunwilden |
2:18 PM |
@cerirhiannon Do that work for kids as well as adults? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2:18 PM |
RT @cerirhiannon: #eltchat ask ss questions - about what they're learning, how, what they want, what works for them |
| cerirhiannon |
2:18 PM |
#eltchat ask ss questions - about what they're learning, how, what they want, what works for them |
| Marisa_C |
2:19 PM |
RT @NikkiFortova: @cerirhiannon so the questions are like learner training - important in fostering autonomy #eltchat |
| NikkiFortova |
2:19 PM |
@cerirhiannon so the questions are like learner training - important in fostering autonomy #eltchat |
| elawassell |
2:19 PM |
@cerirhiannon Oh yes - Needs analysis is very important! That's where I always start with my Ss- I teach 1-1 #ELTchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2:19 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @cerirhiannon Do that work for kids as well as adults? #eltchat > I think it definitely can - on their level |
| Marisa_C |
2:19 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @cerirhiannon Do that work for kids as well as adults? #eltchat > probably not (out on a brea for 5') |
| Marisa_C |
2:20 PM |
@NikkiFortova def on a daily basis #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2:20 PM |
@Marisa_C @Shaunwilden questions may be different for kids - more about what they enjoy and why - giving some choice in tasks/hwk #eltchat |
| madridESL |
2:20 PM |
#eltchat Learner autonomy is huge. We can't just force vocabulary and grammar into people's heads. They have to make the effort themselves. |
| cerirhiannon |
2:21 PM |
RT @NikkiFortova:so questions are like L training#eltchat > yes, & we can encourage ss to think about qs they want to ask too #eltchat |
| NikkiFortova |
2:21 PM |
is self efficacy a factor in successful autonomy? The belief the learners can learn on their own? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
2:21 PM |
@cerirhiannon possibly but very YLs need T much more and can only take baby steps in autonomy #eltchat |
| AlexandraKouk |
2:21 PM |
RT @madridESL: #eltchat Learner autonomy is huge. We can't just force vocabulary and grammar into people's heads. They have to make the ... |
| cerirhiannon |
2:22 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: very YLs need T more - can only take baby steps in autonomy #eltchat > totally agree - but baby steps are imp too :) |
| Shaunwilden |
2:22 PM |
RT @cerirhiannon: @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden questions may be different for kids - more about what they enjoy and why - giving some choice i ... |
| harrisonmike |
2:22 PM |
Choosing #vocabulary to teach workshop, given by Andrew Walkley at University of Westminster #esol #eltchat http://t.co/jsWXjpea |
| cerirhiannon |
2:23 PM |
#eltchat autonomy for VYLs can include introducing simple choices . eg which colour they want to use |
| Shaunwilden |
2:23 PM |
@NikkiFortova @cerirhiannon Dont they need some guidance to be able to think of their own? #eltchat |
| NikkiFortova |
2:23 PM |
RT @madridESL: #eltchat Learner autonomy is huge. We can't just force vocabulary and grammar into people's heads. They have to make the ... |
| NikkiFortova |
2:23 PM |
@cerirhiannon Oooh asking them to think of questions is really good. I'll try that this afternoon :-) #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2:24 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @NikkiFortova Dont they need guidance to be able to think of their own? #eltchat > definitely .. that's where T comes in |
| Shaunwilden |
2:25 PM |
@cerirhiannon @NikkiFortova That was going to be my next question, what sort of questions might they come up with #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2:25 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @NikkiFortova guidance ? #eltchat > discussing case studies - other people's questions can be a good starting point maybe |
| NikkiFortova |
2:25 PM |
@Shaunwilden @cerirhiannon some learners definitely do I think. It's lovely if they can share their strategies in class #eltchat |
| BobK99 |
2:25 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @cerirhiannon Do that work for kids as well as adults? #eltchat > Imp. diff. Adults (e.g. evening class) MUST be self-dir'd |
| AlexandraKouk |
2:26 PM |
@BobK99 why more important for adults to be autonomous? #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2:27 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @NikkiFortova what sort of qs might they come up with #eltchat> so many! can be simple e.g. where can I find videos? |
| BobK99 |
2:28 PM |
MT @madridESL: #eltchat... They have to make the effort themselves. > Indeed ;) Most true of ALL lang teaching? ( the word, not the assoc.) |
| elawassell |
2:29 PM |
@cerirhiannon I lend my DVDs to Ss - that's why I have two box sets of FRIENDS ;-) #ELTchat |
| BobK99 |
2:29 PM |
@Collaborative #eltchat With a handle like yours your interruptions are ironic! |
| gsellart |
2:29 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: Today's #eltchat is Learner Autonomy. Is it important? If is it, why is it and how can we promote it (should we?) |
| NikkiFortova |
2:29 PM |
RT @cerirhiannon: #eltchat qs could be anything! e.g. what do I want to be able to do in English? why am I studying English? how much ... |
| cerirhiannon |
2:29 PM |
#eltchat qs could be anything! e.g. what do I want to be able to do in English? why am I studying English? how much time have I got? |
| cerirhiannon |
2:30 PM |
RT @elawassell: @cerirhiannon I lend my DVDs to Ss - that's why I have two box sets of FRIENDS ;-) #ELTchat ;) |
| BobK99 |
2:31 PM |
RT @AlexandraKouk: @BobK99 why more important for adults to be autonomous? #eltchat >Just saying they HAVE to be - it's thr own time & money |
| Shaunwilden |
2:31 PM |
@BobK99 @Collaborative filter him out in your global filter #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2:31 PM |
#eltchat we can help ss with autonomy outside the classroom by helping them track and share what they do via e.g. study logs |
| elawassell |
2:33 PM |
We can encourage Ls to take part in Meet -ups - to practise the language with other learners. #ELTchat |
| AlexandraKouk |
2:33 PM |
RT @cerirhiannon: #eltchat we can help ss with autonomy outside the classroom by helping them track and share what they do via e.g. stud ... |
| cerirhiannon |
2:34 PM |
#eltchat autonomy can be a mindset for T (i facilitate, I don't do) and for the S (I don't expect my T to do everything for me) |
| cerirhiannon |
2:35 PM |
#eltchat - at risk of creating a tangent - some cultures do not value student autonomy / independent direction - they expect the T to lead |
| Shaunwilden |
2:35 PM |
RT @cerirhiannon: #eltchat autonomy can be a mindset for T (i facilitate, I don't do) and for the S (I don't expect my T to do everythin ... |
| Shaunwilden |
2:35 PM |
I cant see all the tweets from our infamous troll as I have him blocked, may I suggest you all do the same #eltchat |
| FionaTT |
2:36 PM |
RT @JoshSRound: Does the DoS do it for you? http://t.co/nDnrAmcX #eltchat #iatefl #lamsig #eltm #cpchat |
| AlexandraKouk |
2:36 PM |
RT @cerirhiannon: #eltchat - at risk of creating a tangent - some cultures do not value student autonomy / independent direction - they ... |
| cerirhiannon |
2:36 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: I cant see all the tweets from our infamous troll as I have him blocked ... #eltchat > I've got him blocked too ! |
| elawassell |
2:36 PM |
RT @cerirhiannon: autonomy can be a mindset for T (i facilitate, I dont do) and 4 the S (I dont expect my T 2 do everything for me) #ELTchat |
| AlexandraKouk |
2:37 PM |
Here's a graph of possible LA components http://t.co/j7hVCuIk #eltchat |
| BobK99 |
2:38 PM |
@cerirhiannon #eltchat Not a tangent. V imp. Hard to foster autonomy in Llconditioned NOT to be auton. Diff expecta'ns of what learning IS |
| Shaunwilden |
2:38 PM |
RT @AlexandraKouk: Here's a graph of possible LA components http://t.co/TsEGuxro #eltchat Thats a useful chart #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2:39 PM |
RT @NikkiFortova: @cerirhiannon I also find that age is a factor. Older Ss want Tchr to be the sage on the stage, not help them to learn ... |
| cerirhiannon |
2:39 PM |
RT @NikkiFortova: age is a factor. Older Ss want Tchr to be the sage on the stage, .. #eltchat> yup age can be a cultural factor too ;) |
| elawassell |
2:39 PM |
“@CELTtraining: for many people, the class is time they set aside to learn, rest is kids, work, life!” Use #ELTchat :-) |
| cerirhiannon |
2:39 PM |
RT @CELTtraining:class is time they set aside to learn > all the more reason to foster autonomy IN the classroom? #eltchat |
| NikkiFortova |
2:39 PM |
@cerirhiannon I also find that age is a factor. Older Ss want Tchr to be the sage on the stage, not help them to learn how to learn #eltchat |
| AlexandraKouk |
2:39 PM |
RT @BobK99: @cerirhiannon #eltchat Not a tangent. V imp. Hard to foster autonomy in Llconditioned NOT to be auton. Diff expecta'ns of w ... |
| AlexandraKouk |
2:40 PM |
#eltchat So, T should ask more Qs than answer, encourage reflection and overcome cultural barriers? |
| Shaunwilden |
2:40 PM |
@cerirhiannon @NikkiFortova An added to that previous learning experiences as well #eltchat |
| elawassell |
2:41 PM |
Got to dash! Thanks everyone. #ELTchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2:41 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @NikkiFortova previous learning experiences as well #eltchat > yup, which again often comes down to culture |
| AlexandraKouk |
2:41 PM |
RT @cerirhiannon: RT @BobK99:#eltchat Hard to foster autonomy in Ll conditioned NOT to be auton.> which i guess is where "should we?" ... |
| NikkiFortova |
2:41 PM |
@Shaunwilden @cerirhiannon ooh yes, trying to undo what they've been doing for years - hard sometimes #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2:41 PM |
RT @BobK99:#eltchat Hard to foster autonomy in Ll conditioned NOT to be auton.> which i guess is where "should we?" comes in? |
| cerirhiannon |
2:42 PM |
RT @elawassell: Got to dash! Thanks everyone. #ELTchat > me too, got to go get my un-autonomous kids home from school ;) |
| BobK99 |
2:42 PM |
@cerirhiannon #eltchat '...which i guess is where "should we?" comes in?' - neatly done! :D |
| Shaunwilden |
2:42 PM |
@cerirhiannon @NikkiFortova Yes and age - a lot of this is intertwined #eltchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2:42 PM |
RT @elawassell: Got to dash! Thanks everyone. #ELTchat |
| cerirhiannon |
2:43 PM |
thanks for the chat ... stimulating as always ... will catch up with you all in the TS :) #eltchat |
| Florentina__T |
2:43 PM |
L2 identity questionnaire now also available in Bulgarian, Dutch, German and Spanish #IRISdatabase http://t.co/DSQyMiKa #ELTchat #TESOL #SLA |
| cerirhiannon |
2:44 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @cerirhiannon thanks for joining #eltchat > a pleasure ... see you all soon! #turningovernewtwitterleaf |
| AlexandraKouk |
2:44 PM |
@cerirhiannon thank ufor the insights, Ceri #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2:44 PM |
@cerirhiannon thanks for joining #eltchat |
| AlexandraKouk |
2:45 PM |
RT @NikkiFortova: maybe a silly question, but are things like cooperative tasks, pair check & handing feedback over to learners all ... |
| Shaunwilden |
2:45 PM |
RT @NikkiFortova: maybe a silly question, but are things like cooperative tasks, pair check & handing feedback over to learners all ... |
| NikkiFortova |
2:45 PM |
maybe a silly question, but are things like cooperative tasks, pair check & handing feedback over to learners all part of autonomy? #eltchat |
| AlexandraKouk |
2:46 PM |
RT @FionaTT: #eltchat it's about finding out what works for you (cultural infl def here) and tapping into the resources the T can provid ... |
| NikkiFortova |
2:46 PM |
@AlexandraKouk cool :-) #eltchat |
| AlexandraKouk |
2:46 PM |
@NikkiFortova it is in my book :-) #eltchat |
| FionaTT |
2:46 PM |
#eltchat it's about finding out what works for you (cultural infl def here) and tapping into the resources the T can provide to help you |
| AlexandraKouk |
2:47 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @FionaTT So LA is different in each country then? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2:47 PM |
@FionaTT So LA is different in each country then? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2:49 PM |
RT @FionaTT: yes &no but there is a def cultural influence .. see hofstede :-) Hmm i think you might have mentioned him before ;-) #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2:50 PM |
@AlexandraKouk Less work for the teacher? :-) #eltchat |
| AlexandraKouk |
2:50 PM |
#eltchat So what are the advantanges of fostering LA? |
| AlexandraKouk |
2:50 PM |
#eltchat So what are the advantanges of fostering LA? |
| NikkiFortova |
2:51 PM |
@Shaunwilden @AlexandraKouk making learning more accessible for Ss, helping Ss' confidence? #eltchat |
| CELTtraining |
2:51 PM |
@NikkiFortova @cerirhiannon #ELTchat Is that because the older students are the ones paying?! |
| AlexandraKouk |
2:51 PM |
@Shaunwilden LOL #eltchat |
| FionaTT |
2:51 PM |
#eltchat nature vs nurture argument. I think this is a lot of nurture. As Ts we need to encourage sts to look deep and see what works 4 them |
| Shaunwilden |
2:52 PM |
@BobK99 Yes agreed #eltchat |
| BobK99 |
2:52 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @AlexandraKouk Less work for the teacher? :-) #eltchat > Not JUST a joke tho; if I can take a back seat, I've done a gd job |
| FionaTT |
2:52 PM |
@Shaunwilden @AlexandraKouk facilitating learning #eltchat :-) |
| NikkiFortova |
2:52 PM |
@CELTtraining I sometimes think so :-) #ELTchat |
| AlexandraKouk |
2:54 PM |
#eltchat Also, according 2 ths article Learner autonomy & second/foreign language learning http://t.co/DCEhmG74, higher motivation |
| AlexandraKouk |
2:55 PM |
#eltchat ... and more effective learning due to its more personal and reflective nature |
| CELTtraining |
2:56 PM |
@BobK99 @Shaunwilden @AlexandraKouk #ELTchat Not sure. Paying for a class I look for someone to help with my confusions (maybe from my LA!) |
| AlexandraKouk |
2:56 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: Any final words of wisdom? Any summary volunteer? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
2:56 PM |
Any final words of wisdom? Any summary volunteer? #eltchat |
| BobK99 |
2:57 PM |
@Shaunwilden #eltchat You've already got one - though 'coercee' might be a better word! :-) |
| AlexandraKouk |
2:57 PM |
RT @NikkiFortova: Balance is important - Ss have the choice- know how to be independent & not scared to take control of learning, bu ... |
| NikkiFortova |
2:57 PM |
Balance is important - Ss have the choice- know how to be independent & not scared to take control of learning, but know ur there #eltchat |
| AlexandraKouk |
2:58 PM |
@CELTtraining Guess it depends on how u define help then #ELTchat |
| AlexandraKouk |
2:58 PM |
RT @BobK99: @Shaunwilden #eltchat You've already got one - though 'coercee' might be a better word! :-) > lol |
| BobK99 |
3:00 PM |
@Shaunwilden #eltchat Gotta go - you'll the transcript I guess. Thanks to all. Bye. |
| AlexandraKouk |
3:00 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: Righty ho that's the lunch #eltchat done - join us later for the 2nd one on How can we help & support colleagues n ... |
| Shaunwilden |
3:00 PM |
Righty ho that's the lunch #eltchat done - join us later for the 2nd one on How can we help & support colleagues new to edtech...... |
| CELTtraining |
3:00 PM |
@AlexandraKouk #ELTchat Thanks for the link. it looks interesting. |
| NikkiFortova |
3:01 PM |
@Shaunwilden Thanks for a nice chat, all #eltchat |
| AlexandraKouk |
3:02 PM |
@CELTtraining Glad you find it useful - it's interesting research I think :-) #ELTchat |
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