| ELTchat |
RT @Marisa_C: Achieving a balance between competition and collaboration in the young learners’ classroom - topic for #ELTchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:01:02 +0000 |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
@Marisa_C Thanks. I don't teach YL. will take a look now & then to see what people are saying. #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:01:03 +0000 |
| Noreen_Lam |
Yes!! I'm here & ready for #eltchat! So happy that my topic made it in coz it's been on my mind 4 a while! Look fwd 2 ideas & thoughts! |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:02:01 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@Noreen_Lam #eltchat We'll wait for a few more friends to turn up before we get going but what problems do you face in YL classes? |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:02:53 +0000 |
| shaznosel |
@Noreen_Lam So glad your topic made it..I m a YLs teacher and they are my soft spot #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:03:21 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@mariabossa Hi Maria good to see you here and you @shaznosel #eltchat welcome |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:03:43 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@Noreen_Lam Glad to see you got chosen! #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:03:51 +0000 |
| mariabossa |
@Marisa_C Competition is too hard among young learners, esp girls #ELTchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:04:16 +0000 |
| shaznosel |
Eening all..using tweetchat for the first time..so may take me a while to adapt! #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:04:26 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
RT @Marisa_C: @Noreen_Lam #eltchat What problems do you face in YL classes? |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:04:29 +0000 |
| esolcourses |
RT @Marisa_C: Any teacher of young learners participating this evening? #ELTchat ] hope so! Good topic. Just here to lurk and learn :-) |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:04:38 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
RT @mariabossa: @Marisa_C Competition is too hard among young learners, esp girls #ELTchat > Really? Girls more competitive? |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:05:09 +0000 |
| didolores |
Interesting topic. I'm teaching YL. Good balance is always needed! Will be keeping an eye on the discussion:) #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:05:34 +0000 |
| mariabossa |
@Marisa_C @shaznosel Thanks Marisa #ELTchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:05:36 +0000 |
| shaznosel |
@Marisa_C Hi tutor! So tired but couldn't resist the topic.. #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:05:50 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@didolores hi there chip in as well - fo #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:06:04 +0000 |
| mariabossa |
@Marisa_C yes, they not only compete in appearence but also in marks #ELTchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:06:14 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@shaznosel oh well I m not surprised ! :-) #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:06:22 +0000 |
| Noreen_Lam |
@theteacherjames @Marisa_C So glad that it made it to the late #eltchat! In fact I'm so happy that I'll volunteer 4 the summary now!! :D |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:06:40 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@Noreen_Lam @Marisa_C Yay! Thanks! #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:07:01 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@Noreen_Lam #eltchat very good to know so well in advance - great |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:07:06 +0000 |
| shaznosel |
@Marisa_C I don't find girls more competitive but show jealousy which makes them seem competitive #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:07:11 +0000 |
| cerirhiannon |
#eltchat hi everyone :) |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:07:41 +0000 |
| Wiktor_K |
Hi all #ELTChat - not really into YLs but will read and lurk tonight |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:07:49 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@shaznosel @mariabossa #eltchat may be girls more or less competitive to do with local culture? |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:07:52 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@cerirhiannon #eltchat hi Ceri great to see u - long time no see :-) |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:08:24 +0000 |
| cerirhiannon |
@Marisa_C @shaznosel @mariabossa #eltchat levels of competition often depends on culture in local mainstream education too |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:08:56 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
Get grps to collaborate in order to compete against other groups - that the idea? @bhrbahar #ELTchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:09:24 +0000 |
| cerirhiannon |
@Marisa_C Hi Marisa :) good to be back! it's been far too long #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:09:30 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@cerirhiannon @Marisa_C Welcome back Ceri! #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:09:45 +0000 |
| cerirhiannon |
@theteacherjames @Marisa_C thank you for the warm welcome :) #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:10:07 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
So competition seems to come naturally while collaboration needs some training? #ELTchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:10:21 +0000 |
| Noreen_Lam |
Topic came fr class of 2 boys vs 2 girls. Boys have 1-2yrs Eng under their belt & girls none. Wish they'd help each other more! #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:10:27 +0000 |
| vmorgana |
#eltchat Hi everyone! I mainly teach teens and pre-teens...very competitive I would say :-) |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:10:30 +0000 |
| cerirhiannon |
@Marisa_C @bhrbahar found with grps competing it's often the girls geeing the boys along to collaborate (10-11 year olds Spain) #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:11:08 +0000 |
| shaznosel |
@Marisa_C Maybe cultural thing.Is competitiveness a good/bad thing?I wish they would collaborate more but YLs strive to be the best #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:11:21 +0000 |
| didolores |
RT @Marisa_C: So competition seems to come naturally while collaboration needs some training? #ELTchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:11:26 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
Looks like different places different trends #ELTchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:11:36 +0000 |
| mariabossa |
@Marisa_C I guess so, it's difficult 4 kids 2 collaborate! #ELTchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:12:37 +0000 |
| cerirhiannon |
#eltchat collaboration behind the scenes seems quite common in Spain - e.g. helping each other w homework - meeting to complete projects |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:12:46 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
Is it natural for children to collaborate? #ELTchat - at pre-school age ? or later? |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:12:48 +0000 |
| Noreen_Lam |
@marisa_c Yes, or else competition promoted highly in schools too, so how to teach YLs balance? #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:12:54 +0000 |
| bhrbahar |
@Marisa_C #ELTchat I mean confidence |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:13:02 +0000 |
| mariabossa |
@Marisa_C yeap... every place has its own "rules" :) #ELTchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:13:18 +0000 |
| vmorgana |
#eltchat often you can deal with competition by grouping Sts accurately, with YLs it's important to know them very well, learning styles etc |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:13:33 +0000 |
| shaznosel |
@didolores Totally..comp is a natural instinct and collaboration needs a lot of work with YLS #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:13:36 +0000 |
| cerirhiannon |
#eltchat the teens I've worked with in Spain recently are happy to rise to the T's expectations of collaboration if the task is right |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:14:09 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
If collaboration needs to be introduced to children good to start early on - day ONE for example? #ELTchat or wait? wahat do u think |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:14:12 +0000 |
| cerirhiannon |
@shaznosel @didolores what age would you say they start to collaborate naturally/well? #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:15:03 +0000 |
| mariabossa |
@Marisa_C probably no! U need 2 teach them & that's a hard thing, they r 2 concentrated in themselves @ELTchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:15:21 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
RT @cerirhiannon: #eltchat the teens I've worked with in Spain recently are happy to rise to the T's expectations of collaboration if the task is right |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:15:21 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
But is competition necessarily a bad thing? In the adult world it stimulates and drives ppl forward - COmments? #ELTchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:15:21 +0000 |
| esolcourses |
RT @Marisa_C: Is it natural for children to collaborate? #ELTchat - at pre-school age ? or later? ] playing together often=collaboration? |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:15:36 +0000 |
| esolcourses |
RT @Marisa_C: But is competition necessarily a bad thing? In the adult world it stimulates and drives ppl forward - COmments? #ELTchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:15:43 +0000 |
| shaznosel |
@Noreen_Lam The sooner the better, collab also means accepting the weaker ss into yr grp. #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:16:05 +0000 |
| mariabossa |
@Marisa_C definetely, yes, day 1 is a must! #ELTchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:16:08 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@Marisa_C That's what i was thinking. And isn't some competition unavoidable? Isn't part of human nature? #ELTchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:16:11 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
Team making early on perhaps a good idea #ELTchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:16:16 +0000 |
| Noreen_Lam |
YLs often v indiv & even in grps, distinguish selves as "better" & pulling team/pair along, so internal competition #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:16:32 +0000 |
| cerirhiannon |
RT @Marisa_C: But is competition necessarily a bad thing? #eltchat competing against themselves ie bettering their own scores can be gr8 |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:16:35 +0000 |
| bhrbahar |
@Marisa_C #ELTchat when the teacher observes thatthe students are friends and know each other, they can use this way. |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:17:04 +0000 |
| shaznosel |
When we play team games, ss complain they don't want the weak ss in their team..takes time to explain the concept of a team #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:17:10 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@theteacherjames #ELTchat More natural to compete than to collaborate - but collaboration must be seen to bring sth good to all |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:17:12 +0000 |
| Wiktor_K |
Competition is very rarely communicative. Lg better practiced when collaborating. And too competitive doesn't make you better here. #ELTChat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:17:26 +0000 |
| cerirhiannon |
#eltchat I guess the downside of competition is if you never win! competition needs structuring so there are different ways of winning ? |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:17:38 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
I suppose there's a difference between competition (could be good) & competitiveness (probably a negative) - agreed? #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:17:41 +0000 |
| bhrbahar |
@Marisa_C #ELTchat the time can change from class to class... each class is unique =) |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:17:50 +0000 |
| mariabossa |
@Marisa_C yes, team making is a good option but not when they r 2 young, they love being alone #ELTchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:18:10 +0000 |
| Noreen_Lam |
@marisa_c Competition fab, but how to encourage strong ss 2 help weaker/slower ones? Encourage peer teaching! #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:18:18 +0000 |
| cerirhiannon |
#eltchat competing against the teacher (and winning!) usually goes down well ;) |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:18:30 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@Wiktor_K Some contradictory research on this (lang used in collaboration) and some excellent ideas here http://t.co/Mwfsfsgl #ELTchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:18:33 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
Perhaps the problem with competition is that it suggests a few winners and a lot more losers, & that can't be a good thing. #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:18:39 +0000 |
| shaznosel |
@cerirhiannon Not a bad thing -they are motivated to learn but can be diff with mixed ability class which Yls are bound to be #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:18:44 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@Marisa_C Yes, competition is natural and collaboration takes training. #ELTchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:19:20 +0000 |
| Noreen_Lam |
RT @shaznosel: When we play team games, ss complain they don't want weak ss in their team..takes time2 explain concept of team #eltchat>yes! |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:19:33 +0000 |
| vmorgana |
@theteacherjames exactly, we should find a way to teach them the difference. #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:19:49 +0000 |
| esolcourses |
@cerirhiannon @Marisa_C don't think competition is necessarily a bad thing, if it goes hand in hand with respect for others #ELTchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:19:50 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
So the reasons & benefits of collaboration to be taught along with the language of collaborating well - social uses of lang #ELTchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:19:51 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@Marisa_C You could say one they have to be trained to do, and one they have to be trained not to do! #ELTchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:20:04 +0000 |
| cerirhiannon |
RT @esolcourses: @cerirhiannon @Marisa_C don't think competition is necessarily a bad thing, if it goes hand in hand with respect for others #ELTchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:20:04 +0000 |
| shaznosel |
@Noreen_Lam Yes, peer teaching works so well , T needs to be aware of individual ss needs #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:20:20 +0000 |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
@Marisa_C @shaznosel @mariabossa Competition may also depend on age. Worse among pre-teens & teens I would think. #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:20:28 +0000 |
| esolcourses |
RT @cerirhiannon: #eltchat competing against the teacher (and winning!) usually goes down well ;) |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:20:33 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
The site i sent earlier has some excellent cards for lang training #ELTchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:20:36 +0000 |
| esolcourses |
RT @theteacherjames: Perhaps the problem with competition is that it suggests a few winners and a lot more losers, & that can't be a good thing. #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:20:58 +0000 |
| Noreen_Lam |
RT @theteacherjames: Perhaps probl w/competition is it suggests a few winners& lot more losers,& that can't be good thing. #eltchat>agreed! |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:21:20 +0000 |
| cerirhiannon |
@Noreen_Lam @shaznosel re "weak students" but if the game has goals that are not academic maybe smtms the "weak" ss can shine? #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:21:27 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
#ELTchat here is another intereting read for later - the physiological reasons for collaborating or not http://t.co/4lFR0YWZ |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:21:48 +0000 |
| esolcourses |
RT @Marisa_C: #ELTchat here is another intereting read for later - the physiological reasons for collaborating or not http://t.co/JDY8yotJ |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:22:31 +0000 |
| vmorgana |
“@Marisa_C: The site i sent earlier has some excellent cards for lang training #ELTchat>missed that, could you please RT? |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:22:32 +0000 |
| mariabossa |
@theteacherjames @Marisa_C then the teacher shouldn't be part of the competition #ELTchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:22:39 +0000 |
| Noreen_Lam |
@marisa_c Sorry missed that. Can u send site again Marisa? Thx! #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:22:46 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
#ELTchat so looks like Ts need to be well versed in how to deal with mixed levels and abilities in their classes |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:22:49 +0000 |
| shaznosel |
Some Yls have advanced metacognitive skills rather than cognitive so T can promote diff aspects of Lang learning -boost self esteem #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:23:07 +0000 |
| cerirhiannon |
#eltchat board races, timed challenges, memory tests - these are all things teen ss love in my exp - and work well with mixed levels too |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:23:16 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@mariabossa Unless the teacher takes the 'loser' role, so the students don't have to. #ELTchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:23:31 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
Ok here it is again #ELTchat http://t.co/Mwfsfsgl |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:23:59 +0000 |
| cerirhiannon |
RT @theteacherjames: @mariabossa Unless teacher takes the 'loser' role, so the students don't have to. #ELTchat > agree w T in loser role |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:24:40 +0000 |
| Noreen_Lam |
So key is find out what ss r good at &exploit that in class.Play towards diff learning styles so strong ss can b weak & vice versa. #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:24:49 +0000 |
| toulasklavou |
@shaznosel @cerirhiannon to what extent competition prevents learning &when should we set some boundaries?#eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:24:53 +0000 |
| cerirhiannon |
RT @Noreen_Lam: find out what ss r good at &exploit that in class.Play towards diff learning styles so strong ss can b weak #eltchat > yes |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:25:20 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
#ELTchat in the age of connectivism looks like we must help learners see why it's best to collaborate - not always but a lot |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:25:26 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@cerirhiannon @mariabossa Although perhaps this stops it from being a competition! #ELTchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:25:33 +0000 |
| Noreen_Lam |
@marisa_c Okay thanks! :) #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:25:53 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@toulasklavou @shaznosel @cerirhiannon competition not necessarily a deterrent to learning - for some a boost to learning #ELTchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:26:17 +0000 |
| cerirhiannon |
@toulasklavou @shaznosel #eltchat competition can affect negatively affect learning when it negatively affects self esteem |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:26:30 +0000 |
| mariabossa |
@cerirhiannon @theteacherjames yes, sure :) #ELTchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:26:41 +0000 |
| cerirhiannon |
RT @theteacherjames: @cerirhiannon @mariabossa Although perhaps this stops it from being a competition! #ELTchat > good point! |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:26:48 +0000 |
| vmorgana |
@Noreen_Lam agree, working with learning styles is crucial. #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:26:51 +0000 |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
@esolcourses @Marisa_C Didn't Howard Gardner look at this in Project Zero and relate findings to MI? #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:26:56 +0000 |
| shaznosel |
@toulasklavou Gd point-when the weaker ss are feeling insecure and when the aims of the lessons are being lost due to ambitious ss! #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:27:34 +0000 |
| ELTchat |
@cerirhiannon @theteacherjames @mariabossa #eltchat but collaborative tasks not needed to be WIN or LOSE tasks surely & damage self esteem |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:27:51 +0000 |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
@shaznosel Cooperative learning can change this. #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:27:56 +0000 |
| cerirhiannon |
RT @shaznosel: @toulasklavou Gd point-when the weaker ss are feeling insecure and when the aims of the lessons are being lost due to ambitious ss! #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:28:01 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
what i just said didn't make much sense sorry #ELtchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:28:45 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@didolores @Marisa_C Not necessarily. It may be to our benefit to collaborate in order to benefit individually. #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:28:51 +0000 |
| cerirhiannon |
@ELTchat @theteacherjames @mariabossa I was talking about competition not collaboration (answering q about when comp is negative) |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:28:53 +0000 |
| mariabossa |
@cerirhiannon @ELTchat @theteacherjames Oh.. Ok! :) #ELTchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:30:35 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
Do we over estimate the importance of collaborative work? Doesn't competition foster solo work, necessary for language learning? #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:30:45 +0000 |
| shaznosel |
@cerirhiannon Games need to be directed so all ss excel, sometimes L2 learning is overlooked but the ss are motivated. to draw?!. #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:30:59 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
Lots of ideas in Classroom Dynamics (not a bk but a bible)for team building) to get Ss to work well togther - Team names/tribes, etc#ELTchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:31:28 +0000 |
| toulasklavou |
@shaznosel True! Some ambitious ss get really annoyed/frustrated then#eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:32:06 +0000 |
| EduToolsCloud |
RT @ShellTerrell: TESOL Abroad – Teach English in Over 150 Countries Worldwide http://t.co/PuEoLh8A #esl #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:32:07 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
#ELTchat - so we come back to our role as educators - bulding values along with language |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:32:50 +0000 |
| shaznosel |
Sometimes learning goals need to be set for a certain ss, away from the book but scaffolded by T to support that student #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:33:02 +0000 |
| cerirhiannon |
RT @Marisa_C: #ELTchat - so we come back to our role as educators - bulding values along with language > esp'ly with YLs |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:33:38 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@shaznosel scaffolding a key word for successful collaboration - often doesn t work due to confusion #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:33:45 +0000 |
| mariabossa |
@Marisa_C totally agree with you! #ELTchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:33:55 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
How can teachers model good collaborative behaviour in a school context #ELTchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:34:37 +0000 |
| cerirhiannon |
RT @Marisa_C: @shaznosel scaffolding key word 4 successful collaboration #eltchat > yes simplicity/clarity imp |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:34:52 +0000 |
| mariabossa |
RT @cerirhiannon: RT @Marisa_C: @shaznosel scaffolding key word 4 successful collaboration #eltchat > yes simplicity/clarity imp |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:35:21 +0000 |
| Noreen_Lam |
RT @theteacherjames: Do we overestimate importance of collab wk? Doesn't compet'n foster solo wk, necess4 lang learnin? #eltchat>intrstin pt |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:35:25 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
RT @Marisa_C: How can teachers model good collaborative behaviour in a school context #ELTchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:35:54 +0000 |
| mariabossa |
@Marisa_C just by starting collaborating themselves & among each other #ELTchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:36:21 +0000 |
| cerirhiannon |
RT @Marisa_C: How can teachers model good collaborative behaviour in a school context #ELTchat > for students or among colleagues? |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:36:24 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@Noreen_Lam @theteacherjames possibly - best learning on one's own but stimulated by others #ELTchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:36:39 +0000 |
| esolcourses |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe @Marisa_C yes, think he may have done #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:36:39 +0000 |
| esolcourses |
RT @cerirhiannon: RT @Marisa_C: How can teachers model good collaborative behaviour in a school context #ELTchat > for students or among colleagues? |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:36:50 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@cerirhiannon amongst colleagues #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:37:00 +0000 |
| cerirhiannon |
RT @Marisa_C: @cerirhiannon amongst colleagues #eltchat > thx :) bring classes together, team teach, share materials and ideas ... |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:37:36 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
Here is another instersting write up abt how competitiveness stimulates curiosity and hence learning #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:37:48 +0000 |
| shaznosel |
@theteacherjames Collaboration prepares the YL to understand the world around them/appreciate their abilities compared to others #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:37:49 +0000 |
| vmorgana |
“@Marisa_C: How can teachers model good collaborative behaviour in a school context #ELTchat> through shared projects perhaps |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:38:14 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@cerirhiannon Great ideas - a school with a hostile staffroom not going to foster collaborative classes #eltchat no? |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:38:27 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@vmorgana shared projects a great idea -also good to let the learners know you are involved with them & learning with colleagues #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:39:43 +0000 |
| Noreen_Lam |
@marisa_c @theteacherjames So int motiv'n/compet'n, w/ext compet'n as extra motiv'n 4 learning & self-improvement! #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:39:50 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@shaznosel Not arguing against collaborating, just thinking that we do too much. Most work in the real world is solo. #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:40:01 +0000 |
| cerirhiannon |
#eltchat kids learning new games together on games consoles /tablets/ipads it's all about collaborating - they do it naturally |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:40:12 +0000 |
| mariabossa |
RT @Marisa_C: @cerirhiannon Great ideas - a school with a hostile staffroom not going to foster collaborative classes #eltchat no? |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:40:33 +0000 |
| cerirhiannon |
RT @theteacherjames: @shaznosel Most work in the real world is solo. #eltchat Really? most of my work is collaborative |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:40:52 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@Marisa_C @Noreen_Lam I think that's the ideal situation to learn a language. #ELTchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:40:55 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@cerirhiannon @shaznosel Do you think your job is typical though? I think most work is solo with collaborative elements. #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:41:43 +0000 |
| shaznosel |
@theteacherjames the learning to learn concept encourages self-esteem.The T needs to show enthusiasm/understanding etc #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:42:06 +0000 |
| cerirhiannon |
@theteacherjames @shaznosel OK, agree - guess a lot of learning is solo wcollaborative elements too! guess the balance differs #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:42:47 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@shaznosel agree fully abt the enthusiasm but patience and tolerance also gd for shyer less confident class members #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:43:10 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@didolores @cerirhiannon Indeed! And often not done due to time pressure #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:43:53 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@cerirhiannon @shaznosel I'm just wondering at the moment if we are putting too much emphasis on collaboration & not enough on solo #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:44:37 +0000 |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
@Marisa_C Agree. Love that book. #eltchat Used idea of wanted poster for ideal st. Wonderful. |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:45:01 +0000 |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
RT @Marisa_C: #ELTchat - so we come back to our role as educators - bulding values along with language |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:45:13 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
For young learners a lot is done to gain approval and the teacher's affection - so kids v competitive abt that #ELTchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:45:16 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@cerirhiannon @shaznosel Ties in with thoughts about demand high teaching. #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:45:19 +0000 |
| shaznosel |
@theteacherjames It's a constant battle..teaching L2 and keeping up with social/ affective factors in class- demanding #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:45:42 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@MarjorieRosenbe i do too all the time :-) Ideal trainee #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:45:45 +0000 |
| mariabossa |
Learning with #ELTchat @Marisa_C @cerirhiannon @shaznosel |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:45:54 +0000 |
| cerirhiannon |
RT @shaznosel: @theteacherjames It's a constant battle..teaching L2 and keeping up with social/ affective factors in class- demanding #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:46:09 +0000 |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
@Marisa_C The million dollar question. #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:46:32 +0000 |
| jankenb2 |
@theteacherjames True.. It's been argued that all learning is individual. However collaborative action leads to ind learning. #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:46:39 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@didolores But best teaching is modelling good behaviours - let's not forget that #ELTchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:46:43 +0000 |
| cerirhiannon |
@theteacherjames @shaznosel collaboration doesn't nec'ly negate the indiv - if well structured should stretch and "demand high" ? #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:47:16 +0000 |
| shaznosel |
A positive learning environment is crucial and sometimes competitions can rear an ugly head whereas collaboration is always a plus #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:47:37 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@cerirhiannon very true #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:47:43 +0000 |
| esolcourses |
@theteacherjames @shaznosel @cerirhiannon depends on the context you work in maybe, but it's a skill that everyone needs to learn #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:48:01 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
so in terms of how we structure and sequence activities a balance of indiv work vs collaborative work? #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:48:24 +0000 |
| didolores |
so caught up in the #eltchat, I missed the opportunity to celebrate my 1000th tweet with a special tweet=:) lol! |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:48:39 +0000 |
| cerirhiannon |
@theteacherjames @shaznosel depends on type & structure of collaboration? comp could also go against demand high if too lockstep #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:48:45 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@jankenb2 So do you think one to one students suffer due to the lack of collaborators? #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:48:58 +0000 |
| toulasklavou |
@theteacherjames @cerirhiannon @shaznosel agree, Ss neet time to reflect and also some peace from the ambitious ss#eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:49:10 +0000 |
| cerirhiannon |
RT @Marisa_C: structure and sequence activities a balance of indiv work vs collaborative work? #eltchat > yes, always a balance :) |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:49:24 +0000 |
| jankenb2 |
@Marisa_C Not always. I think classroom culture that recognizes p2p authority feedback supports collaborative learning phil. #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:50:12 +0000 |
| didolores |
@Marisa_C @Marisa_C agreed! even greater is learning by doing:=) #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:50:24 +0000 |
| esolcourses |
RT @cerirhiannon: RT @Marisa_C structure & sequence activities a balance of indiv work vs collaborative? #eltchat > agree balance is good :) |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:50:29 +0000 |
| cerirhiannon |
@theteacherjames @jankenb2 I think it can help (some) 121 students to seek out collaboration beyond the classroom yes #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:50:46 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
Is an awards or points system a good idea then - do we need to have win/lose terms in a collaborative classroom - why not projects #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:51:57 +0000 |
| Noreen_Lam |
@cerirhiannon @theteacherjames @jankenb2 & competition as well. Motivation from comparing own progress w/others for 121 ss too. #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:52:15 +0000 |
| vmorgana |
#eltchat : @Marisa_C need to balance, mix and change activities after a few minutes with YLs. Planning is crucial as well. |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:52:37 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@cerirhiannon @jankenb2 And I think the teacher needs to play more of a collaborative role too. #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:53:09 +0000 |
| shaznosel |
@jankenb2 Balance is the word for Yls..the T needs to react 'on her feet'/ change the balance to suit needs of ss..every 10 mins!! #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:53:11 +0000 |
| bhrbahar |
@Marisa_C #eltchat in terms of the topic. If the topic is new,firstly I prefer individual wk until the sts comprehendit and gain confidence |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:53:24 +0000 |
| Noreen_Lam |
Thoughts on indiv pts vs grp pts in YL classrm? Which type of compet/collab is better? #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:53:25 +0000 |
| jankenb2 |
@theteacherjames I don't like 1 to 1 as the only mode of lrning, I prefer vertical aged class configuration. Coll is more inclusive.#eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:53:34 +0000 |
| cerirhiannon |
RT @theteacherjames: @jankenb2 And I think the teacher needs to play more of a collaborative role too. #eltchat > yes definitely |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:53:43 +0000 |
| ELT_EC |
3 Free Learning Opportunities About Blogging and Social Media http://t.co/uzssp5ee vía @edublogs #elt #elemenchat #edchat #elt_ec #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:55:17 +0000 |
| Noreen_Lam |
@marisa_c Have tried indiv pts & class pts system--latter promotes collab &compet together, but often strong vs weak very evident. #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:55:55 +0000 |
| vmorgana |
@Marisa_C #eltchat a project can be highly collaborative, thinking about collaborative storytelling, sts compete and collaborate. |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:56:00 +0000 |
| shaznosel |
@cerirhiannon teacher is the role model..collaborate with ss and highlight what each ind can do rather than can't do.. #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:56:14 +0000 |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
@cerirhiannon @theteacherjames @jankenb2 agree. #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:56:24 +0000 |
| toulasklavou |
@vmorgana @Marisa_C let's don't forget yls get bored easily & sometimes difficult 4'em to appreciate our effort 2 teach'em=hard work#eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:56:34 +0000 |
| bhrbahar |
@Marisa_C #eltchat awards and points systems are motivating but ı believe if we can create an environment that helps student have instrinsic |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:56:44 +0000 |
| jankenb2 |
@theteacherjames Yes. There's no one perfect pedagogy or a need 2 replace common sense. A gd strategy is reflects purpose & context #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:57:09 +0000 |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
goodnight all. as usual wonderful chatting with you all. #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:58:00 +0000 |
| shaznosel |
@Noreen_Lam I have the same problem, no matter what I try the strong/weak is evident..unless i divert from L2 learning-dance/draw! #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:58:09 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@jankenb2 Agreed! :-) #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:58:11 +0000 |
| bhrbahar |
@Marisa_C #eltchat motivation rather than extrinsic, it will be more fruitful for both the teachers and the students. |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:58:55 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@bhrbahar @didolores #eltchat both making very valid comments :-) |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:59:21 +0000 |
| jankenb2 |
@vmorgana #eltchat A good project is one that has layers of collaborative & individual learning opps. It's life, big problem, many hands. |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:59:48 +0000 |
| bhrbahar |
RT @Marisa_C: @bhrbahar @didolores #eltchat both making very valid comments :-) |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:59:57 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
But it's evident from all you say that it's no easy task and must be done systematically from day one #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 22:00:19 +0000 |
| cerirhiannon |
#eltchat sorry got to go! mum on the phone :) goodnight! was great to be back |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 22:00:38 +0000 |
| didolores |
Using a point system for classrm managmnt in my school. No win/lose terms at all!Emphasizing good behaviors to get points as grps.#eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 22:00:53 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
Any last thoughts or tips to share before we wrap up? #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 22:00:57 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
or links? #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 22:01:15 +0000 |
| shaznosel |
I wish course books had more project work for YLs..we have to stick to the cb and sometimes hard to intro collab activites #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 22:01:40 +0000 |
| lexicojules |
RT @seburnt: wiki activity to intro insight into Wikipedia for students http://t.co/UvghSwV5 #eltchat #eapchat > looks fun if you have time |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 22:01:45 +0000 |
| analuisalozano |
RT @ELT_EC: 3 Free Learning Opportunities About Blogging and Social Media http://t.co/uzssp5ee vía @edublogs #elt #elemenchat #edchat #elt_ec #eltchat |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 22:01:49 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
Thanks for a great #eltchat everyone, you're all winners in this competition & it's great collaborating with you! |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 22:02:15 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
Then we will call it an #ELTchat and thank you all for turning up and sharing your ideas :-) |
Wed, 30 Jan 2013 22:02:30 +0000 |
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