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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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1:02 PM
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Great topic for our 1st #ELTchat "Can the skill of giving constructive peer feedback be taught to learners and how?" Join us in one hour
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MarjorieRosenbe
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1/30/2013
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1:03 PM
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Is there a topic for elt chat? Just travelling home from class. #eltchat
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knolinfos
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1/30/2013
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1:04 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: Great topic for our 1st #ELTchat "Can the skill of giving constructive peer feedback be taught to learners and how?" Joi ...
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harrisonmike
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1/30/2013
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1:05 PM
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Anyone have any good links on #CLIL? Resources, methodology articles, tips, etc? Any help much appreciated #eltchat
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harrisonmike
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1/30/2013
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1:06 PM
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Also any good stuff on #EAL would be really useful: resources, tips, etc. Thank you! #ESOL #eltchat
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ELTchat
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1/30/2013
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1:29 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: Our 1st #ELTchat "Can the skill of giving constructive peer feedback be taught to learners and how?" Join us in 30 mins
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LockhartAcademy
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1/30/2013
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1:38 PM
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RT @ELTchat: RT @Marisa_C: Our 1st #ELTchat "Can the skill of giving constructive peer feedback be taught to learners and how?" Join u ...
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worldteacher
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1/30/2013
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1:43 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: 1st #ELTchat "Can the skill of giving constructive peer feedback be taught to learners and how?" Join us in 20 mins.
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GLOBOlanguage
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1/30/2013
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1:45 PM
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RT @Lingualy The history of the #english #language in 10 minutes http://t.co/BkjGIprT #langchat #eltchat
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Arqueidz
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1/30/2013
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1:49 PM
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RT @ELTchat: RT @Marisa_C: Our 1st #ELTchat "Can the skill of giving constructive peer feedback be taught to learners and how?" Join u ...
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skajder
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1/30/2013
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1:55 PM
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RT @ShellTerrell: A wiki activity to introduce insight into Wikipedia http://t.co/gCXoI4c4 by @seburnt #eltchat
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eltcal
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1/30/2013
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1:58 PM
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ELT Chat on Twitter, starts in 2 minutes (topic: "constructive peer feedback") #ELTChat @ELTchat http://t.co/W0FJvzdL
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billpellowe
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1/30/2013
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2:00 PM
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RT @eltcal: ELT Chat on Twitter, starts in 2 minutes (topic: "constructive peer feedback") #ELTChat @ELTchat http://t.co/W0FJvzdL
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BobK99
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1/30/2013
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2:01 PM
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#ELTChat Well 'm ready. First Qn is, why should learners be interested? (I know it's a useful tool, but how do I persuade their bosses?)
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MarjorieRosenbe
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1/30/2013
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2:03 PM
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@BobK99 English lessons do more than teach English. Some companies like people to get to know each other better through classes. #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:04 PM
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Who is participating? #ELTchat
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teflerinha
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1/30/2013
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2:04 PM
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@BobK99 Good point. Guess if it's bosses then it's about emphasising workplace/business skills? But will they c that as yr job? #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:04 PM
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Welcome to #ELTchat everyone - moderating on my own today so I need all the help I can get :-)
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:05 PM
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@teflerinha #eltchat Hey Rachael thanks - appreciated
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billpellowe
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1/30/2013
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2:05 PM
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@BobK99 #eltchat Peer feedback also helps students to focus on their own performances.
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eltnotebook
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1/30/2013
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2:05 PM
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@BobK99 Forgot the hashtag again :( #eltchat Sounds as if you're talking about formal assessment??
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teflerinha
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1/30/2013
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2:05 PM
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@Marisa_C #eltchat Will try and help where I can :)
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:06 PM
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And the main question was if it can be taught and how #ELtchat
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billpellowe
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1/30/2013
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2:06 PM
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#eltchat Are we talking about students rating each other (for example, speeches, posters, etc) or is this something different?
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:06 PM
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@eltnotebook #eltchat Hi Sue - I think the focus might be on informal peer feedback to speaking & writing in or out of class
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teflerinha
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1/30/2013
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2:06 PM
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@eltnotebook @BobK99 can skills of giving constructive peer feedback be taught #eltchat
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eltnotebook
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1/30/2013
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2:06 PM
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@Marisa_C #eltchat I'm here - though can't stay for the whole time :(
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MarjorieRosenbe
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1/30/2013
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2:06 PM
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@teflerinha @BobK99 I think bosses expect us to cover many aspects. Workplace skills are certainly one of them. #eltchat
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teflerinha
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1/30/2013
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2:07 PM
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#eltchat Think two main issues: giving helpful feedback and giving feedback in a helpful way (content and form)
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:07 PM
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@billpellowe #eltchat yes that's right - though peer marking of informat tests and quizzes coulds be included as well
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eltnotebook
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1/30/2013
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2:07 PM
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@billpellowe @BobK99 yes - I see it as more an informal thing - a teaching technique rather than evaluation #eltchat
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teflerinha
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1/30/2013
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2:07 PM
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@billpellowe #eltchat Basically, yes, but more than just giving a grade, I think- giving feedback on good and needs development etc.
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:08 PM
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b@MarjorieRosenbe #eltchat ... the skill of giving helpful and constructive peer feedback :-)
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teflerinha
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1/30/2013
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2:08 PM
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@MarjorieRosenbe @Marisa_C If the skills of giving feedback can be taught... #eltchat
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billpellowe
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1/30/2013
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2:08 PM
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#eltchat We've been doing peer assessment research through iPod touch-based surveys http://t.co/bqC09iIr
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BobK99
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1/30/2013
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2:08 PM
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#eltchat @eltnotebook Not nec. formal assessmnt. I was thinking genrly. What use (as perc'd by the learner) is peer f/back on, say, pairwk?
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MarjorieRosenbe
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1/30/2013
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2:08 PM
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@Marisa_C If what can be taught? #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:08 PM
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RT @teflerinha: #eltchat Think two main issues: giving helpful feedback and giving feedback in a helpful way (content and form) > yes!
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teflerinha
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1/30/2013
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2:09 PM
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#eltchat Giving feedback in a helpful way is about interpersonal skills- and can be taught if ss are willing.
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:09 PM
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RT @billpellowe: #eltchat We've been doing peer assessment research through iPod touch-based surveys http://t.co/KBDCjSGf - an the results?
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eltnotebook
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1/30/2013
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2:09 PM
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@Marisa_C yes, I'd agree. was replying to @BobK99 who seemed to be talking about formal assessment #ELTchat
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KerrCarolyn
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1/30/2013
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2:10 PM
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#ELTChat - axamples - teaching presentations skills to a group of 6 learners. When it comes time for feedback how can u get more than 'good'
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teflerinha
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1/30/2013
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2:10 PM
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Giving useful feedback is about understanding what makes a good piece of work- and can also be taught & applied to own work 2 #eltchat
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billpellowe
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1/30/2013
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2:10 PM
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@Marisa_C #eltchat Preliminary results with university EFL writing students indicate the real value is in doing peer assessment
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:10 PM
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RT @AlexandraKouk: #eltchat perhaps the T modelling ways of constructive feedback woul be a place to start?
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AlexandraKouk
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1/30/2013
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2:10 PM
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#eltchat perhaps the T modelling ways of constructive feedback woul be a place to start?
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:10 PM
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So - the big question posed was - can it be taught and how #ELTchat
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MarjorieRosenbe
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1/30/2013
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2:10 PM
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@teflerinha @Marisa_C I think I missed the topic - what is it exactly? #eltchat
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teflerinha
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1/30/2013
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2:11 PM
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@KerrCarolyn #eltchat Very specific and well understood criteria, I think, and perhaps starting with one element at a time?
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:11 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: Would this then include familiarisation with marking or evaluation criteria #ELTchat
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teflerinha
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1/30/2013
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2:11 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: RT @AlexandraKouk: #eltchat perhaps the T modelling ways of constructive feedback woul be a place to start?> Yes, absolutely.
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billpellowe
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1/30/2013
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2:11 PM
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@Marisa_C #eltchat ... but not necessarily in getting peer assessment
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AlexandraKouk
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1/30/2013
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2:12 PM
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RT @billpellowe: @Marisa_C #eltchat Doing peer assessment teaches students to focus on those aspects of their own performances the next ...
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teflerinha
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1/30/2013
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2:12 PM
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@billpellowe @Marisa_C #eltchat That makes sense to me. It's the process that's useful, rather than necessarily the product.
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MarjorieRosenbe
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1/30/2013
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2:12 PM
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So is the topic about giving feedback? #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:12 PM
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@billpellowe interesting result #eltchat > so Ss don't appreacaite peer feedback all that much?
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billpellowe
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1/30/2013
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2:12 PM
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@Marisa_C #eltchat Doing peer assessment teaches students to focus on those aspects of their own performances the next time.
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teflerinha
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1/30/2013
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2:13 PM
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@KerrCarolyn #eltchat Learners could specify elements they want fb on, or could focus on one at a time with the class I guess.
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eltnotebook
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1/30/2013
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2:13 PM
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So yes, familiarisation with criteria is essential #eltchat
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KerrCarolyn
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1/30/2013
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2:13 PM
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@eltnotebook #ELTChat - and should we be teaching them? If so how?
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eltnotebook
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1/30/2013
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2:13 PM
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I'd say the main problem is learners not knowing how/what to evaluate. that has to be dealt with as well #eltchat
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KerrCarolyn
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1/30/2013
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2:13 PM
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RT @KerrCarolyn: @teflerinha - agree - one element at a time - who decides which? do you need to have a 'practice run'? #ELTChat
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eltnotebook
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1/30/2013
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2:14 PM
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@KerrCarolyn I use checklists - of whatever we've been focusing on. #eltchat
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billpellowe
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1/30/2013
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2:14 PM
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@teflerinha #eltchat re: "Giving useful feedback" Yes, that's what we're seeing with PA in writing classes
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MarjorieRosenbe
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1/30/2013
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2:14 PM
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@AlexandraKouk thanks - seemed to have been off on another topic at beginning. #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:14 PM
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#ELTChat so valuable as an awareness raising tool but more so for the S giving rather that receiving the feedback?
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KerrCarolyn
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1/30/2013
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2:14 PM
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#ELTChat - has anyone tried getting the learners to define - what would be the elements of a 'good' presentation / short report / email?
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eltnotebook
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1/30/2013
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2:15 PM
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@Marisa_C Much more for the S giving. For me that's the main point. Increasing S awareness #eltchat
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ChrisCattaneo
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1/30/2013
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2:15 PM
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RT @eltnotebook: I'd say the main problem is learners not knowing how/what to evaluate. that has to be dealt with as well #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:15 PM
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RT @KerrCarolyn: #ELTChat - and what are the language benefits of learning to give 'feedback ' ?
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billpellowe
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1/30/2013
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2:15 PM
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@Marisa_C #eltchat That's what we found but only a pilot study.
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:15 PM
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RT @PatrickAndrews: @eltnotebook Yes and also being rather bland in assessments or too harsh #eltchat > Vital!
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KerrCarolyn
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1/30/2013
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2:15 PM
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#ELTChat - and what are the language benefits of learning to give 'feedback ' ?
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MarjorieRosenbe
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1/30/2013
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2:15 PM
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In Business (CUP) has a feedback grid for sts to use when giving fb on presenations - based on some NLP techniques of modelling. #eltchat
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PatrickAndrews
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1/30/2013
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2:15 PM
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@eltnotebook Yes and also being rather bland in assessments or too harsh #eltchat
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teflerinha
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1/30/2013
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2:15 PM
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@Marisa_C #eltchat Yes, good summary- though I guess if everyone is pointing out similar things the fb could be useful for recipient too.
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AlexandraKouk
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1/30/2013
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2:15 PM
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#eltchat criteria are set by the T, but are lees complicaterd than those used for t-based feedback. v imp. to avoid inconsistencies though
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teflerinha
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1/30/2013
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2:16 PM
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@Marisa_C @KerrCarolyn #eltchat If we're talking about HOW to give fb, I guess work on hedging and mitigating could be useful!
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MarjorieRosenbe
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1/30/2013
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2:16 PM
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I encourage positive feedback from peers and save the 'correction' for my comments. #eltchat
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KerrCarolyn
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1/30/2013
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2:16 PM
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@PatrickAndrews @eltnotebook - how do you combat thais? #ELTChat
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BobK99
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1/30/2013
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2:16 PM
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#eltchat On my CELTA, we def. got better at giving peer feedback over the weeks - but it was largely untaught. Just knew what to talk about
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PatrickAndrews
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1/30/2013
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2:16 PM
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@KerrCarolyn Think that can be useful #eltchat
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MarjorieRosenbe
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1/30/2013
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2:16 PM
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In Cambridge prep classes sts get grading scale for writing to use for themselves and in peer fb. Very helpful. #eltchat
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teflerinha
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1/30/2013
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2:17 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: So perhaps some exaggerated version of someone giving feedback in a horrible way could alert Ss? #ELTchat esp YL & teen
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teflerinha
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1/30/2013
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2:17 PM
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@BobK99 #eltchat CELTA a good parallel. Think modelling by tutors an important part of that process.
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KerrCarolyn
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1/30/2013
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2:17 PM
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@BobK99 #ELTCHat - what would have helped you? Defining criteria? Using a Grid? Using structured feedback?
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:17 PM
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So perhaps some exaggerated version of someone giving feedback in a horrible way could alert Ss? #ELTchat esp YL & teen
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MarjorieRosenbe
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1/30/2013
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2:17 PM
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@Marisa_C @KerrCarolyn Lots of modals: You should, you might try, it would be better if ... #eltchat
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PatrickAndrews
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1/30/2013
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2:17 PM
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@KerrCarolyn Perhaps useful to give speakers feedback as a communication strategy (eg you are speaking too fast)? #eltchat
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MarjorieRosenbe
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1/30/2013
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2:18 PM
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might be interesting to compare women and men's speech (Deborah Tannen) in giving feedback. #eltchat
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teflerinha
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1/30/2013
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2:18 PM
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@KerrCarolyn @BobK99 #eltchat Something you'd like to 'steal', something you'd have done differently and why.
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:18 PM
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@BobK99 #eltchat but not talking about the CELTA here - though agree it shoudl be taught
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billpellowe
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1/30/2013
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2:18 PM
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#eltchat Students aren't very good at assessing students who are at a higher level. They tend to put better students on holistic pedastals
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PatrickAndrews
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1/30/2013
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2:18 PM
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@KerrCarolyn @eltnotebook difficult and perhaps a long term process. Perhaps also choosing the right people to assess each other. #eltchat
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MarjorieRosenbe
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1/30/2013
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2:18 PM
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@Marisa_C @KerrCarolyn Not to mention being polite and respectful which are important to teach. #eltchat
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MarjorieRosenbe
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1/30/2013
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2:19 PM
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Learning about FB can include parallel writing with examples of what should be done. #eltchat
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KerrCarolyn
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1/30/2013
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2:19 PM
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@teflerinha @BobK99 #ELTChat - I'll be stealing that idea - great!!
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ChrisCattaneo
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1/30/2013
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2:19 PM
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@BobK99 #ELTchat - (just a flying visit!) Bob, this is because you were always talking +/- about the same criteria everyone had in mind :)
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:19 PM
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So in training learners how to do it we are giving them important communication strategies ?? #eltchat
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BobK99
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1/30/2013
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2:19 PM
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RT @KerrCarolyn: #ELTChat - and what are the language benefits of learning to give 'feedback ' ? > Yes, just my point
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PatrickAndrews
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1/30/2013
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2:19 PM
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@teflerinha @Marisa_C @KerrCarolyn Yes, I think so #eltchat
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KerrCarolyn
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1/30/2013
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2:19 PM
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@PatrickAndrews @eltnotebook #ELTChat - ?? long term process - even for adults?
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AlexandraKouk
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1/30/2013
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2:20 PM
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@PatrickAndrews @KerrCarolyn @eltnotebook Should class dynamics play an important role then? #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:20 PM
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RT @MarjorieRosenbe: Learning about FB can include parallel writing with examples of what should be done. #eltchat
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eltnotebook
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1/30/2013
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2:20 PM
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@Marisa_C #eltchat Good versions to. With my Delta people we look at http://t.co/JH3INruN on peer observation
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PatrickAndrews
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1/30/2013
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2:20 PM
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@KerrCarolyn @eltnotebook Why not for adults? #eltchat
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teflerinha
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1/30/2013
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2:20 PM
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@KerrCarolyn @BobK99 :) #eltchat
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PatrickAndrews
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1/30/2013
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2:21 PM
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@AlexandraKouk @KerrCarolyn @eltnotebook Would think so #eltchat
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eltnotebook
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1/30/2013
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2:21 PM
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@Marisa_C #eltchat Would be nice to have a similar video of learners
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:21 PM
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@eltnotebook #eltchat Must repeat that our topic is about language learners not our CELTA or DELTA trainees
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MarjorieRosenbe
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1/30/2013
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2:21 PM
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@AlexandraKouk @PatrickAndrews @KerrCarolyn @eltnotebook Don't class dynamics always play imp. role? #eltchat
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teflerinha
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1/30/2013
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2:21 PM
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@PatrickAndrews @KerrCarolyn @eltnotebook #eltchat Agree. Hypothetical sits can work well. E.g. examples of good and not so good ways of fb
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PatrickAndrews
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1/30/2013
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2:22 PM
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@teflerinha @KerrCarolyn @eltnotebook Yes, I think this is a good idea #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:22 PM
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I think a standard technique in exam prep classes is role plays where Ss take on part of assessors #ELTchat - extend that?
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MarjorieRosenbe
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1/30/2013
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2:22 PM
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@eltnotebook That's reason for example or grading scale for assessment. Tell sts what we are looking for. #eltchat
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KerrCarolyn
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1/30/2013
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2:22 PM
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@PatrickAndrews @eltnotebook #ELTChat - they seem much more effective when it is not so in the room. I then ask for the same level .. (1)
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:22 PM
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@MarjorieRosenbe Great class dynamics very important and could be part of lerner trainign #ELTchat
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eltknowledge
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1/30/2013
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2:22 PM
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Hi everyone, sorry I'm late. Peer feedbackÎΑοhmmÎΑοI agree with @teflerinha in saying that the teacher provides a good model for sts. #eltchat
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ChrisCattaneo
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1/30/2013
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2:23 PM
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RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @eltnotebook That's reason for example or grading scale for assessment. Tell sts what we are looking for. #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:23 PM
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@eltnotebook I think so too - good and bad examples of #Eltchat
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billpellowe
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1/30/2013
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2:23 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: I think a standard technique in exam prep classes is role plays where Ss take on part of assessors #ELTchat - extend that?
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BobK99
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1/30/2013
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2:23 PM
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@Marisa_C #eltchat Yes - I only mentioned it because it was my most recent experience of being a (classroom) student ;-)
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MarjorieRosenbe
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1/30/2013
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2:23 PM
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I tell sts to say what is was they liked about someone's work and would like to learn to do. Focus on positive. #eltchat
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KerrCarolyn
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1/30/2013
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2:23 PM
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@PatrickAndrews @eltnotebook #ELTChat ÎΑοand quality of feedback for the people in the room. It works (2). Have you tried similar?
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eltnotebook
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1/30/2013
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2:24 PM
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@Marisa_C #eltchat I think the skills are the same whatever the context awareness + ability to be constructive.
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teflerinha
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1/30/2013
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2:24 PM
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RT @AlexandraKouk: #eltchat perhaps we could train Ss on samples of writing, speech etc. not belonging to their classmates first - just ...
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teflerinha
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1/30/2013
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2:24 PM
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@AlexandraKouk Great idea, much less chance of losing face #eltchat
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eltknowledge
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1/30/2013
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2:24 PM
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I think giving students a list of questions as a guideline often helps focus on what they should be giving feedbk on. #eltchat
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MarjorieRosenbe
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1/30/2013
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2:24 PM
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@Marisa_C did that with my CAE group - worked well but they need to have lots of info to work with. #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:24 PM
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In any forma of T or peer evaluation the criteria should be public and known in advance #ELtchat
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KerrCarolyn
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1/30/2013
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2:24 PM
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@eltnotebook @Marisa_C #ELTChat - with higher levels you can also use authentic materials e.g. a short segment of a TED talk
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teflerinha
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1/30/2013
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2:24 PM
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#eltchat sorry, phone call, lost the thread, will catch up!
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AlexandraKouk
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1/30/2013
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2:24 PM
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#eltchat perhaps we could train Ss on samples of writing, speech etc. not belonging to their classmates first - just to demonstrate process
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MarjorieRosenbe
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1/30/2013
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2:25 PM
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@AlexandraKouk Exactly. They need to know what is expected of them. #eltchat
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teflerinha
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1/30/2013
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2:25 PM
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@AlexandraKouk #eltchat Yes, I agree, and often more sensitive I find.
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eltknowledge
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1/30/2013
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2:25 PM
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Would you include peer editing of written work as part of the #eltchat discussion for today?
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billpellowe
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1/30/2013
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2:25 PM
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@Marisa_C #eltchat Yes, ideally the criteria should be examples of "best practice" so students know what to aim for.
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AlexandraKouk
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1/30/2013
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2:25 PM
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: @teflerinha more important with YLs who can be v. competitive too :-) #eltchat
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KerrCarolyn
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1/30/2013
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2:25 PM
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@AlexandraKouk @PatrickAndrews @eltnotebook #ELTChat - I think encouraging good quality and constructive peer fb is part of good grp dynamic
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:25 PM
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@KerrCarolyn How would you use TED talks for that Carolyn? #ELTchat
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teflerinha
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1/30/2013
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2:25 PM
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@eltnotebook @Marisa_C #eltchat > Agreed.
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eltknowledge
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1/30/2013
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2:26 PM
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Through peer correction and feedback, sts also become aware of their own issues. A great tool! #eltchat
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AlexandraKouk
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1/30/2013
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2:26 PM
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@eltknowledge #eltchat can't see why not
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KerrCarolyn
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1/30/2013
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2:26 PM
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@eltknowledge #ELTChat - yes absolutely - Peer editing of written work is another rich area for feedback
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:26 PM
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@BobK99 #ELTchat :-)
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eltnotebook
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1/30/2013
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2:26 PM
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@MarjorieRosenbe @Marisa_C You need to take a couple of things at a time and build up the checklist over the course #eltchat
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teflerinha
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1/30/2013
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2:26 PM
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@eltknowledge #eltchat I'd include peer editing, yes.
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BobK99
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1/30/2013
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2:26 PM
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RT @Marisa_C:... Great class dynamics very imp...#ELTchat > Hmm, OK lesson learned. I'll do better next week :-)
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eltnotebook
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1/30/2013
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2:27 PM
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@Marisa_C #eltchat For Business Eng : the audience are "clients" who will "buy" the product/sevice etc from the most effective presenter
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billpellowe
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1/30/2013
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2:27 PM
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RT @eltknowledge: Through peer correction and feedback, sts also become aware of their own issues. A great tool! #eltchat
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KerrCarolyn
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1/30/2013
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2:27 PM
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@Marisa_C #ELTChat - show 2 Short clips from TED. Have L's evaluate against criteria - lang used, clarity, body language, use of signposts
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AlexandraKouk
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1/30/2013
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2:27 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: Checklists mentioned - a variety possible - a good idea to build one with Ss each time depending on activity focus #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:27 PM
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Checklists mentioned - a variety possible - a good idea to build one with Ss each time depending on activity focus #eltchat
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AlexandraKouk
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1/30/2013
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2:28 PM
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@eltnotebook #eltchat so we're including indirect ways of giving fb too - this can be v. effective and less threatening
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:28 PM
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RT @eltnotebook: @Marisa_C #eltchat For ESP : the audience are "clients" who will "buy" the product/sevice from most effective presenter
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eltknowledge
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1/30/2013
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2:28 PM
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@KerrCarolyn @teflerinha Questions like 'Does the intro create interest?','Is there a conclusion?' helps guide feedbk. #eltchat
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KerrCarolyn
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1/30/2013
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2:28 PM
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@Marisa_C #ELTChat - a short exercise in contrastive 'feedback' seems to hone feedback skills before giving peer feedback
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KerrCarolyn
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1/30/2013
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2:29 PM
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@Marisa_C @eltnotebook #ELTChat - this works for written work too - which report / email would you want to read first? Buy which product?
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chiasuan
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1/30/2013
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2:29 PM
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@Marisa_C @eltnotebook Hahaha I play Dragon's Den in class to encourage a fun way of giving feedback. #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:30 PM
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... or potential empoyers etc #ELtchat ... in who gets the job activities
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:30 PM
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@chiasuan Explain pls Chia? #ELTchat
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chiasuan
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1/30/2013
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2:31 PM
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@Marisa_C A panel of 5 students play the Dragon's in the den &the rest take turns presenting a product/idea.The panel gives feedbk. #eltchat
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KerrCarolyn
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1/30/2013
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2:31 PM
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@teflerinha @eltknowledge #ELTChat - if I have access to projectors I have the L's beam the written work on the wall and edit together
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KerrCarolyn
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1/30/2013
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2:32 PM
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@eltnotebook @Marisa_C #ELTChat - would this work for written work too?
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chiasuan
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1/30/2013
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2:32 PM
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@Marisa_C If you haven't seen Dragon's Den, do look it up on Youtube. Great short clips to use for the classroom! #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:32 PM
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@chiasuan #eltchat Could this be turned into a game of Auditions? Who gets the part? #eltchat just thought of it
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teflerinha
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1/30/2013
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2:32 PM
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@KerrCarolyn @eltknowledge #eltchat Yes, it works really well when everyone can see at the same time.
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chiasuan
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1/30/2013
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2:32 PM
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@Marisa_C It's based on a TV programme called Dragon's Den where entrepreneurs try 2 get investments frm the millionaire 'dragons'. #eltchat
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teflerinha
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1/30/2013
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2:33 PM
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@chiasuan @Marisa_C #eltchat Also fab lesson on Lessonstream with elevator pitch- used this as part of Dragon's Den lesson myself.
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:33 PM
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@chiasuan #eltchat sounds good will do
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BHasanbasoglu
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1/30/2013
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2:33 PM
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RT @teflerinha: #eltchat Giving feedback in a helpful way is about interpersonal skills- and can be taught if ss are willing.
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:33 PM
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@KerrCarolyn #ELTChat principles same
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BobK99
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1/30/2013
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2:33 PM
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MT @KerrCarolyn: @teflerinha @eltknowledge #ELTChat - ... I have the L's beam the work on the wall and edit together > Higher tech? Ideas?
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MarjorieRosenbe
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1/30/2013
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2:34 PM
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@Marisa_C @eltnotebook Also have activity in In business which deals with how sth is sold, not just language. #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:34 PM
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we had someone with a timer #eltchat
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chiasuan
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1/30/2013
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2:34 PM
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RT @teflerinha: @chiasuan @Marisa_C #eltchat Also fab lesson on Lessonstream with elevator pitch- used this as part of Dragon's Den less ...
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chiasuan
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1/30/2013
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2:34 PM
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@Marisa_C Totally! But I think it's easier when sts are givin feedbk on sthg external like an idea/product, & not sthg personal. #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:34 PM
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@BobK99 #ELTChat or with less tech classes put all the work up gallery style - i did one for best joke - criterion was laughing time :-D
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:35 PM
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And of course a private blog or posterous space is great for comments which can be moderated and commented on by T #ELTchat
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eltknowledge
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1/30/2013
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2:35 PM
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@KerrCarolyn @BobK99 @teflerinha I'm sure Google Docs, Ning, or any collaborative platform would work perfectly. #eltchat
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MarjorieRosenbe
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1/30/2013
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2:35 PM
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@chiasuan @Marisa_C @eltnotebook Great idea - have done this in a similar way as well. #eltchat
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eltnotebook
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1/30/2013
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2:35 PM
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@KerrCarolyn @Marisa_C Yes- ideal for written work #eltchat
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KerrCarolyn
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1/30/2013
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2:35 PM
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@BobK99 @teflerinha @eltknowledge #ELTChat - Hmm I'd never thought of using Google Docs, but that could work too?
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teflerinha
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1/30/2013
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2:36 PM
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@yesseniacgr @chiasuan @Marisa_C Agreed :) #eltchat
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MarjorieRosenbe
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1/30/2013
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2:36 PM
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Also reworked interview activity with observers who give feedback on both parties. #eltchat
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eltknowledge
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1/30/2013
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2:36 PM
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RT @AlexandraKouk: #eltchat what constitutes constructive fb and how to receive it: http://t.co/fjcYCeWs
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touqo
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1/30/2013
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2:36 PM
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The one giving (constructive) feedback should also get something out of it. How does me giving feedback help me in my own tasks? #eltchat
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teflerinha
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1/30/2013
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2:36 PM
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RT @AlexandraKouk: #eltchat what constitutes constructive fb and how to receive it: http://t.co/fjcYCeWs
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yesseniacgr
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1/30/2013
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2:36 PM
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@chiasuan @Marisa_C Yes, less intimidating this way #eltchat
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AlexandraKouk
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1/30/2013
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2:36 PM
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#eltchat what constitutes constructive fb and how to receive it: http://t.co/fjcYCeWs
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KerrCarolyn
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1/30/2013
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2:37 PM
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@touqo #ELTChat - also you can 'Demand High' on the feedback - full sentences, using modals properly, formulating advice, etc
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MarjorieRosenbe
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1/30/2013
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2:37 PM
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What about fb from colleagues? Just got depressing email about this. #eltchat Do we need to start there?
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billpellowe
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1/30/2013
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2:37 PM
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#eltchat Is it possible to focus too much on peer feedback? With large classes, we need technology (surveys, etc) or small groups
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:37 PM
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So it looks as if we all agree on the value of incuding this as a regular feature - then well worth including in our syllabuses? #Eltchat
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KerrCarolyn
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1/30/2013
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2:37 PM
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@touqo #ELTChat - how about highlighting the skills (lang and interpersonal) you build by giving feedback?
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eltknowledge
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1/30/2013
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2:38 PM
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Expanding on @MarjorieRosenbe 's idea,we had a pretend press conference,& later the press feedbacked on the panel & vice versa. #eltchat
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AlexandraKouk
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1/30/2013
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2:38 PM
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RT @teflerinha: #eltchat What about accepting feedback as well?! Some people find this very hard- can we help them?
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teflerinha
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1/30/2013
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2:38 PM
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#eltchat What about accepting feedback as well?! Some people find this very hard- can we help them?
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eltnotebook
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1/30/2013
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2:38 PM
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@touqo Helps you far more than the others. raises your awareness, so you can improve your own performance #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:38 PM
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@billpellowe #eltchat very good point - can take time - perhaps 'keys' or models stuck on walls for groups to cross-check?
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eltknowledge
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1/30/2013
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2:39 PM
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@teflerinha That's an interesting point. I knew a trainer who went around telling people they couldn't cope w feedbk & were clingy! #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:39 PM
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@teflerinha #eltchat Great point Rachael - have found this to be true the higher the level and often abt pronunciation
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teflerinha
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1/30/2013
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2:39 PM
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@AlexandraKouk #eltchat Think accepting fb is about recognising that it isn't criticiing YOU. The way it's phrased can help with this.
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KerrCarolyn
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1/30/2013
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2:39 PM
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@teflerinha #ELTChat - I've modeled 'accepting' feedback - I do a terrible presentation and have the L's give me feedback on how bad it was
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MarjorieRosenbe
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1/30/2013
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2:39 PM
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@teflerinha That's why I tell them what they did well. #eltchat
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teflerinha
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1/30/2013
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2:40 PM
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@eltknowledge #eltchat So did I...
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AlexandraKouk
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1/30/2013
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2:40 PM
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@teflerinha #eltchat v.true - fb should be about the product , never the person!
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yesseniacgr
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1/30/2013
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2:40 PM
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@KerrCarolyn @touqo also that Ss becomes aware of what to do and not. Being self reflective also a skill #eltchat
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touqo
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1/30/2013
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2:40 PM
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@eltnotebook then THAT should be explained so that everyone gets it. #eltchat
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teflerinha
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1/30/2013
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2:40 PM
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@KerrCarolyn #eltchat Yes, modelling accepting fb v important- and on 'real' stuff too.
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MarjorieRosenbe
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1/30/2013
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2:41 PM
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@AlexandraKouk @teflerinha And to person, not to another one. #eltchat
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eltknowledge
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1/30/2013
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2:41 PM
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@KerrCarolyn @teflerinha Yes, a teacher acting as a good example of what he/she preaches is the best way. #eltchat
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eltnotebook
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1/30/2013
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2:41 PM
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@KerrCarolyn @touqo Agree totally with Carolyn. And get the evaluator to provide the improvement. #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:41 PM
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@eltknowledge #eltchat haha ... some can't - perhaps bcz trainees and possibly ss react emotianally
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MarjorieRosenbe
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1/30/2013
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2:41 PM
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@teflerinha @AlexandraKouk It needs to be about behavior or ability and not on identity level. 'You are fine but let's fix ..' #eltchat
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KerrCarolyn
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1/30/2013
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2:41 PM
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@Marisa_C @teflerinha #ELTCHat - on pronunciation I've tried a 'contract' with people - they sign up for what correction they want
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teflerinha
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1/30/2013
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2:42 PM
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@Marisa_C #eltchat Yes, absolutely. 'A mistake is a gift to the class'.
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teflerinha
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1/30/2013
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2:42 PM
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@Marisa_C #eltchat Yes, think some higher level learners are more sensitive bcause they are perfectionists- which has allowed them 2 do well
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eltknowledge
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1/30/2013
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2:42 PM
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@Marisa_C Totally. Ability to be open to criticism & feebk is a very personal thing & I wonder if it can be taught? #eltchat
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KerrCarolyn
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1/30/2013
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2:42 PM
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@yesseniacgr @touqo #ELTChat - yes - giving yourself feedback first (usually written) helps a lot here. They know what 2 expect from peers
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:42 PM
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@teflerinha #eltchat Should we perhaps not make it clear from the start that errors/mistakes a VITAL part of learning? Not bad learning?
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BobK99
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1/30/2013
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2:43 PM
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@Marisa_C #eltchat Yes. I always quote my father: 'If tha nivver med a mistek tha nivver med owt' ;-)
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touqo
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1/30/2013
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2:43 PM
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@KerrCarolyn good suggestions and I agree. But does a student when deciding whether 2 give feedback to others or work on own stuff? #eltchat
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teflerinha
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1/30/2013
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2:43 PM
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@chiasuan @Marisa_C > I like that :) #eltchat
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eltnotebook
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1/30/2013
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2:43 PM
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@touqo Yes, definitely #eltchat learners should understand the rationale behind everything they do
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chiasuan
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1/30/2013
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2:43 PM
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@Marisa_C @teflerinha I always say that on Day 1 of every course. Mistakes are good. If u don't make them, I don't have a job. #eltchat
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KerrCarolyn
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1/30/2013
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2:43 PM
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@eltnotebook @touqo #ELTChat - yes - everyone benefits here - the person giving and receiving. Gets people reflecting on how to improve!!
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:43 PM
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RT @teflerinha: @Marisa_C #eltchat Yes, absolutely. 'A mistake is a gift to the class'. > I love this
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AlexandraKouk
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1/30/2013
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2:44 PM
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@KerrCarolyn #eltchat offhand, I'd say they're not realising their full potential
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eltknowledge
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1/30/2013
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2:44 PM
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I think giving feedbk on lexicogrammar/pron issues is not as difficult as giving feedbk on discourse issues. #eltchat
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MarjorieRosenbe
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1/30/2013
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2:44 PM
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@eltknowledge @Marisa_C Global learners normally take it personally, analytics can see fb as factual. #eltchat
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teflerinha
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1/30/2013
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2:44 PM
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RT @BobK99: @Marisa_C #eltchat Yes. I always quote my father: 'If tha nivver med a mistek tha nivver med owt' ;-)
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:44 PM
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@chiasuan ha ha i say that too - keep me in my job #eltchat or... 'you re not making mistakes, you're not learning or taking risks" :-)
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touqo
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1/30/2013
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2:44 PM
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RT @KerrCarolyn: @eltnotebook @touqo #ELTChat - yes - everyone benefits here - the person giving and receiving. Gets people reflecting o ...
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KerrCarolyn
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1/30/2013
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2:44 PM
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@eltknowledge @Marisa_C #ELTChat - what are the consequences for people who cannot deal with feedback?
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KerrCarolyn
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1/30/2013
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2:45 PM
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@touqo #ELTChat - but then this is in small groups. How would it work in your classes?
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MarjorieRosenbe
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1/30/2013
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2:45 PM
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@chiasuan @Marisa_C @teflerinha and when they make a mistake, I tell them that they will never make it again. #eltchat
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touqo
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1/30/2013
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2:45 PM
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What if giving feedback was "sold" to people differently? Helping yourself in addition (or even instead of) helping others? #eltchat
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teflerinha
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1/30/2013
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2:45 PM
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@KerrCarolyn @eltknowledge @Marisa_C #eltchat Ultimately much harder to learn if u can't deal w fb. That's what they're paying u for.
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KerrCarolyn
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1/30/2013
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2:45 PM
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@touqo #ELTChat - I try to make it into a core part of the class. And by 'demanding High' on both the content and language they all gain
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AlexandraKouk
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1/30/2013
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2:45 PM
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RT @eltknowledge: I think giving feedbk on lexicogrammar/pron issues is not as difficult as giving feedbk on discourse issues. #eltchat
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MarjorieRosenbe
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1/30/2013
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2:45 PM
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@chiasuan @Marisa_C @teflerinha I also tell them present perfect was invented to keep us working. #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:45 PM
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@BobK99 cool #eltchat :-D
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eltnotebook
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1/30/2013
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2:45 PM
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@Marisa_C @teflerinha Yes an focus on "improvement" rather than "correction" or criticism #eltchat
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KerrCarolyn
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1/30/2013
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2:46 PM
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@teflerinha @eltknowledge @Marisa_C #ELTCHat - I think its a vital life skill too- especially when working with others.
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chiasuan
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1/30/2013
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2:46 PM
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@MarjorieRosenbe @Marisa_C @teflerinha I tell them that about the supposed 3 conditionals. : ) #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:46 PM
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There is some controversial research abt the effects of giving feedback not handy to me - anyone able to share any links to that?#ELTchat
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eltknowledge
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1/30/2013
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2:46 PM
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RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @eltknowledge @Marisa_C Global learners normally take it personally, analytics can see fb as factual. #eltchat
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teflerinha
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1/30/2013
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2:46 PM
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RT @eltnotebook: @Marisa_C @teflerinha Yes an focus on "improvement" rather than "correction" or criticism #eltchat > Yes, better angle.
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BobK99
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1/30/2013
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2:46 PM
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@Marisa_C #eltchat (Translated, of course!)
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touqo
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1/30/2013
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2:46 PM
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RT @eltnotebook: @touqo Yes, definitely #eltchat learners should understand the rationale behind everything they do
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:47 PM
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Do you ever use old recordings of class activities for students to give feedback to themselves? Just to evaluate own progress #ELTchat
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eltknowledge
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1/30/2013
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2:48 PM
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Encouragin peer feedbk could b seen differently dependin on the #culture we're in.Some might see the teacher as not doin their job. #eltchat
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teflerinha
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1/30/2013
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2:48 PM
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@KerrCarolyn @eltknowledge @Marisa_C #eltchat Ultimately, content aside, it's about developing empathy, which has to be top life skill.
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KerrCarolyn
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1/30/2013
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2:48 PM
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@AlexandraKouk #ELTChat - it's a bit like part of the path to growth - wanting to see how others perceive you and address it
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yesseniacgr
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1/30/2013
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2:49 PM
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RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @teflerinha @eltnotebook @Marisa_C Also tell them better to make mistake in class than out in real world. #eltchat
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teflerinha
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1/30/2013
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2:49 PM
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@eltknowledge #eltchat Well, yes, if the T not involved at all, but if T sets it up, monitors adds stuff, OK in my experience.
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:49 PM
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@AlexandraKouk #eltchat yes thanks Alexandroula - had that in my diigo but my fingers not fast enough today
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MarjorieRosenbe
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1/30/2013
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2:49 PM
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Have stories about my doozies in German - gets them laughing and they realise mistakes are normal. #eltchat
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chiasuan
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1/30/2013
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2:49 PM
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@Marisa_C For classes that go over a long period of time, that's a great idea! #eltchat
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yesseniacgr
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1/30/2013
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2:49 PM
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RT @teflerinha: @KerrCarolyn @eltknowledge @Marisa_C #eltchat Ultimately, content aside, it's about developing empathy, which has to be ...
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AlexandraKouk
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1/30/2013
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2:49 PM
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is this what u meant @marisa_C Corrective Feedback in Second Language Acquisition
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KerrCarolyn
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1/30/2013
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2:49 PM
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@Marisa_C #ELTChat - I use audio / video from the start of the course at the end - and ask them to self feedback on where they've improved
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touqo
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1/30/2013
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2:49 PM
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@KerrCarolyn I am not an educator (but work in education) but the same applies in worklife, too. Common goal helps giving feedback. #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:49 PM
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@eltknowledge #culture #eltchat very true - t's job to correct etc
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MarjorieRosenbe
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1/30/2013
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2:49 PM
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@teflerinha @eltnotebook @Marisa_C Also tell them better to make mistake in class than out in real world. #eltchat
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BobK99
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1/30/2013
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2:50 PM
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MT @Marisa_C...old recordings of class activities for students to give fdbk to themselves? ... #ELTchat > Brill! Consider yrself plagiarized
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:50 PM
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@AlexandraKouk there's more - will fish it out and put on blog after summary #eltchat
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teflerinha
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1/30/2013
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2:51 PM
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@KerrCarolyn @Marisa_C #eltchat Good one!
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KerrCarolyn
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1/30/2013
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2:51 PM
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@teflerinha @Marisa_C #ELTChat - yes - and it can help them define they're next language goals too! Carry forward into next term!
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:51 PM
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@BobK99 #ELTchat rats and I hadn't even written a post about it :-D
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StanzaSL
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1/30/2013
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2:51 PM
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RT @BobK99: @Marisa_C #eltchat Yes. I always quote my father: 'If tha nivver med a mistek tha nivver med owt' ;-)
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teflerinha
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1/30/2013
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2:52 PM
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@eltnotebook @eltknowledge #eltchat > Yes, indeed.
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:52 PM
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For YLs an idea from a research project in UK mainstream ed - support and give feedback to sb in an earlier level #ELTchat results bril
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MarjorieRosenbe
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1/30/2013
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2:52 PM
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And if they are perfect, then we can all go home. #eltchat
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eltnotebook
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1/30/2013
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2:52 PM
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@teflerinha @eltknowledge And if they know they're doing it to raise their own awareness and thus improve their own performance #eltchat
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AlexandraKouk
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1/30/2013
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2:52 PM
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@Marisa_C Here's the download link http://t.co/weH4txsh #eltchat
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touqo
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1/30/2013
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2:53 PM
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Are there ever cases where anonymous feedback is more appopriate than face2face? Or does it end up in flaming? #eltchat
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teflerinha
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1/30/2013
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2:53 PM
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@Marisa_C #eltchat Can believe that. My own kids don't like fb from peers, but fine from older kids.
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:53 PM
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@UNIRidiomas Indeed - I think perhaps we should not coney the message that the t NEVER corrects or gives feedback #ELtchat
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MrsSmithLA
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1/30/2013
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2:54 PM
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RT @ShellTerrell: A wiki activity to introduce insight into Wikipedia http://t.co/gCXoI4c4 by @seburnt #eltchat
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eltknowledge
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1/30/2013
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2:54 PM
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@teflerinha @eltnotebook So it is impt 4 the teacher 2 let sts knw the benefits of peer feedbk,&2 monitor & add2 what sts r saying. #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:54 PM
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RT @teflerinha: @Marisa_C #eltchat Can believe that. My own kids don't like fb from peers, but fine from older kids.
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:54 PM
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Can be seen as complete abdication of responsibility in some education cultures #ELTchat
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AlexandraKouk
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1/30/2013
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2:55 PM
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@Marisa_C #eltchat great idea, but will have to be monitored by T first?
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KerrCarolyn
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1/30/2013
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2:55 PM
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@Marisa_C #ELTChat - true - but it forms part of 'intercultural awareness' if the aim of the leaners is to work or study abroad
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teflerinha
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1/30/2013
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2:55 PM
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@eltknowledge @eltnotebook #eltchat I'd say so. Think ss need to feel you haven't abdicated..
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:55 PM
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@touqo #eltchat good point abt anonymous feedback - what do u think ?
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MarjorieRosenbe
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1/30/2013
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2:56 PM
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Cooperative learning techniques have great ideas for peer fb - called interdependent groups. #eltchat
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KerrCarolyn
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1/30/2013
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2:56 PM
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@teflerinha @eltknowledge @eltnotebook #ELTChat - I always check off my own feedback points, as the peers give FB. T is active, not shirking
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:56 PM
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@eltknowledge #eltchat perhaps best on blogs where T always knows who wrote it
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touqo
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1/30/2013
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2:56 PM
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@Marisa_C it might be easier to state your own ignorance. But at the same time waaay easier to bash others. Maybe needs moderation. #eltchat
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BobK99
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1/30/2013
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2:56 PM
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@Marisa_C #eltchat (Time for our four minute warning, I think :))
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eltknowledge
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1/30/2013
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2:56 PM
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@Marisa_C @touqo I'm very wary of anonymous feedbk coz it brings out the worst in some. eg. Youtube comments. #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:56 PM
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@AlexandraKouk #eltchat Haven't worked it out yet - just throwing ideas up in the air here :-D
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eltnotebook
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1/30/2013
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2:57 PM
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@Marisa_C #eltchat If critical awareness is seen as a learning aim the T can evaluate the evaluators. (continuing)
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:57 PM
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RT @BobK99: @Marisa_C #eltchat (Time for our four minute warning, I think :)) > Why? You offering? I have pre-bookings :-D
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KerrCarolyn
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1/30/2013
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2:57 PM
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@MarjorieRosenbe #ELTChat - do you have any links to these techniques - or references?
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teflerinha
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1/30/2013
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2:57 PM
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@eltknowledge @Marisa_C @touqo #eltchat Yes, I tend to agree. Not sure what the benefit is, and definite possible drawbacks.
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AlexandraKouk
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1/30/2013
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2:58 PM
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#eltchat Sum up: T should model fb, negotiate criteria with ss, teach nec. language and discourse skills and observe/monitor results?
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BobK99
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1/30/2013
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2:58 PM
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@Marisa_C #eltchat I can stand the disappointment! (Some other time...)
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:58 PM
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@eltknowledge #eltchat yes - so perhaps handed to T who "anonymizes" it?
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touqo
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1/30/2013
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2:58 PM
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@eltknowledge @Marisa_C that is very true. Maybe needs moderation by the teacher --> teacher becomes a bottle neck. #eltchat
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eltknowledge
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1/30/2013
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2:58 PM
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@teflerinha @Marisa_C @touqo I can see how anonymous feedbk could lead to more honesty,but also more vindictive bullying behaviour. #eltchat
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teflerinha
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1/30/2013
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2:59 PM
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@MarjorieRosenbe #eltchat Thank YOU!
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chiasuan
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1/30/2013
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2:59 PM
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RT @AlexandraKouk: #eltchat Sum up: T should model fb, negotiate criteria with ss, teach nec. language and discourse skills and observe/ ...
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MarjorieRosenbe
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1/30/2013
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2:59 PM
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What's tonight's topic? #eltchat
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eltknowledge
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1/30/2013
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2:59 PM
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@Marisa_C That's definitely a possibility. #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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2:59 PM
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@BobK99 #eltchat Would u like to pre-book this evening's?
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eltnotebook
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1/30/2013
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2:59 PM
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@Marisa_C #eltchat have done that with pre-sess Ss from some cultures. they develop the skills but feel the T is "there". It's a bridge..
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MarjorieRosenbe
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1/30/2013
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2:59 PM
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Love this PLN - really uplifting when negative situations seem to take over in reality. Thanks everyone! #eltchat
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teflerinha
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1/30/2013
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3:00 PM
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@touqo #eltchat That's true, I hadn't thought of that, but still...
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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3:00 PM
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@BobK99 #eltchat great pls remember to DM me
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dianatremayne
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1/30/2013
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3:00 PM
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@Marisa_C #ELTchat feedback with marks has negative effect - most positive feedback is comments only. Not sure of links though
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touqo
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1/30/2013
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3:00 PM
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@teflerinha the benefit would be that it is easier 2 state your ignorance on something but might be the costs outweigh the benefits #eltchat
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BobK99
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1/30/2013
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3:00 PM
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@Marisa_C #eltchat Not pms, I'm afraid. Next Wed 12?
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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3:00 PM
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One minute before the end of this #eltchat - my fingers are on fire - thanks ever so much to all of your and to @teflerinha for her help :-)
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yesseniacgr
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1/30/2013
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3:00 PM
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RT @eltknowledge: @Marisa_C @touqo For anonymous FB id suggest checklists so the comments are "controlled" #eltchat
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teflerinha
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1/30/2013
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3:01 PM
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@Marisa_C @dianatremayne #eltchat I've definitely read this too. Think might have link on my blog...I'll check.
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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3:01 PM
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@teflerinha #eltchat Hey I felt I had someone who was catching what I was missing :-D
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AlexandraKouk
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1/30/2013
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3:01 PM
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RT @eltknowledge: Thanks everyone for yet another inspiring #eltchat !
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teflerinha
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1/30/2013
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3:01 PM
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@Marisa_C #eltchat No problem, for whatever it was I did ;)
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eltknowledge
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1/30/2013
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3:01 PM
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Thanks everyone for yet another inspiring #eltchat !
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chiasuan
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1/30/2013
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3:01 PM
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Thanks everyone for yet another inspiring #eltchat !
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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3:01 PM
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RT @dianatremayne: @Marisa_C #ELTchat feedback with marks has negative effect - most positive feedback is comments only. Not sure of links
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MarjorieRosenbe
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1/30/2013
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3:02 PM
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@chiasuan Agree - inspiring it was! Have a good day all! #eltchat
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BobK99
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1/30/2013
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3:02 PM
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#eltchat Bye all, and thanks for the shot in the arm!
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touqo
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1/30/2013
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3:03 PM
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RT @eltknowledge: Thanks everyone for yet another inspiring #eltchat !
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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3:03 PM
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OK am off to get transcript for @KerrCarolyn #ELTChat - see you all on the second chat today on YLs balancing cooperation vs competition
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yesseniacgr
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1/30/2013
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3:03 PM
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@Marisa_C @eltknowledge definitely or the point could be missed #eltchat
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yesseniacgr
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1/30/2013
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3:04 PM
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RT @AlexandraKouk: #eltchat Sum up: T should model fb, negotiate criteria with ss, teach nec. language and discourse skills and observe/ ...
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english247
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1/30/2013
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3:05 PM
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#English for beginners - learn basic words for winter weather & clothing http://t.co/opPFI6iH #engpls #eltchat #kids #esl #efl #k12 #sped
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yesseniacgr
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1/30/2013
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3:06 PM
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Thank you all for a great day stater #eltchat
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eltknowledge
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1/30/2013
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3:07 PM
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RT @SophiaMav: RT @syded06: The Importance Of Creativity In The Classroom http://t.co/FdppKW1M via @zite #education #edchat #ELTchat
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cherrymp
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1/30/2013
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3:07 PM
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#Pearson Recruiting Examiners http://t.co/4AxdPNcM #eltchat #iatefl
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HenriSimula
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1/30/2013
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3:09 PM
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@touqo well, academic peer to peer review is traditionally double blind process... At least in theory #eltchat
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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3:10 PM
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Here is the pdf of the research "effect of correctv fb on st writing' http://t.co/zBw08zjR #ELTchat - one i meant to share
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skoladave
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1/30/2013
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3:11 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: In any forms of T or peer evaluation the criteria should be public and known in advance #ELtchat
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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3:12 PM
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and some more results of which fb works best here http://t.co/rVgQ6lWz #ELTchat
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eltknowledge
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1/30/2013
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3:13 PM
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RT @Marisa_C: and some more results of which fb works best here http://t.co/rVgQ6lWz #ELTchat
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Marisa_C
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1/30/2013
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@teflerinha #eltchat Thanks! " Raising Standards Through Classroom Assessment" http://t.co/RpbvBecM
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