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From teacher to teacher trainer qualifications experience needed, opportunities, advice

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Shaunwilden 9:00 PM looks like it's time for #ELTchat
shaznosel 9:00 PM @Marisa_C I m here but using my son s mini I pad as my laptop is not working...so want to be with you all tonite as my topic! #eltchat
elawassell 9:00 PM RT @Shaunwilden:
Marisa_C 9:02 PM RT @Shaunwilden: looks like it;s time for #ELTchat > yay!!! Roll Call!
SophiaMav 9:02 PM Good evening everyone :) #ELTchat
SophiaMav 9:03 PM RT @elawassell @Shaunwilden: From teacher to teacher trainer - qualifications & experience needed, opportunities, advice #ELTchat
muranava 9:04 PM here but lurking :) #eltchat
natibrandi 9:04 PM #eltchat hello everyone! kind of lurking today, I´m not a teacher trainer and still don´t know much about it.
Shaunwilden 9:04 PM So shall we get started? #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:04 PM Hi everyone and welcome! Shall we begin with formal qualifications? #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:05 PM @Shaunwilden There are some Unis that offer MA;s with a Teacher Ed focus, e.g. Warwick #ELTchat and Trainer training courses
FrancesEales 9:05 PM Hello! Went off to read Marisa's great post @kalinagoenglish  on how to become a teacher educator http://t.co/oEsN6mHe #ELTchat
dalecoulter 9:05 PM @muranava me too, lurking #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:05 PM @natibrandi hi Nat lurk all you want! #ELtchat
Shaunwilden 9:05 PM @Marisa_C Is there A qualification? #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:06 PM RT @DanielaArghir: @Shaunwilden Can any teacher become a teacher trainer? #ELTchat I'd say no
Marisa_C 9:06 PM RT @DanielaArghir: @Shaunwilden Can any teacher become a teacher trainer? #ELTchat > Great Question: My Answer: No
DanielaArghir 9:06 PM @Shaunwilden Can any teacher become a teacher trainer? #ELTchat
SophiaMav 9:07 PM @Marisa_C University of Manchester as well although I'm nt following that path #ELTchat
eannegrenoble 9:07 PM Hi - good start - I forgot the #ELTchat :-0
FrancesEales 9:08 PM RT @DanielaArghir: @Shaunwilden Can any teacher become a teacher trainer? #ELTchat I agree, NO. Certain qualities and experience are needed.
Shaunwilden 9:08 PM i guess that are so many teacher trainers - well so many different types of teacher training there is not a one course fits all #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:08 PM Best trainer development course I know of at Marjon's in Plymouth #ELTchat not an MA though
Marisa_C 9:09 PM @elawassell DELTA is a minimum for Cambridge if u want to be a CELTA trainer - but they also ask for TT experience #ELTchat - documented
shaznosel 9:09 PM @Marisa_C @kalinagoenglish this is a great write up... If one wants to work for a publisher nowadays. What is needed? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:10 PM @dalecoulter @Marisa_C @elawassell  some indication that you had done workshops, observed etc #ELTchat
muranava 9:10 PM why do teacher want to become tchr trainers? #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:10 PM @natibrandi @DanielaArghir @Shaunwilden All in my blog post http://t.co/Bz1PmyRC #ELTchat but...
dalecoulter 9:10 PM @Marisa_C @elawassell what do they consider as 'concrete' training experience? #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:11 PM @dalecoulter @elawassell Documented - not concrete - bcz many Ts put the title "teacher trainer' next to name w/o real experience #ELTchat
MarjorieRosenbe 9:11 PM @Marisa_C @DanielaArghir @Shaunwilden I've been doing teacher training for the last 25 years but didn't do formal training. #eltchat
dalecoulter 9:12 PM @shaznosel get in contact with local teaching organisations and offer to do workshops? #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:12 PM @cuppa_coffee @elawassell not sure about pilgrims #eltchat
kevingiddens 9:12 PM World Learning/SIT Graduate Institute @SIT_TESOL_Cert offers a Teacher Trainer Licensure http://t.co/brb1a84u #eltchat
DanielaArghir 9:12 PM @Marisa_C @natibrandi @Shaunwilden Reading your article now, Marisa, thank you. #ELTchat
shaznosel 9:12 PM @dalecoulter yes! What is the concrete training and how do we gain experience if we r not experienced..#eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:12 PM RT @cuppa_coffee: @elawassell @Marisa_C Bell Intl do Teacher Trainer course but not sure who else do decent ones. Pilgrims? #ELTchat
shaznosel 9:13 PM @elawassell the university I work for in th UK..told me to TT at unis u need an MA not just DELTA#eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:13 PM @cuppa_coffee don forget the hashtag :-) #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:13 PM Also many Ts think being a TT is same as doing a workshop at a conference - but presenting a very good beginning #ELTchat - so get started
Shaunwilden 9:13 PM RT @cuppa_coffee: @FrancesEales @DanielaArghir @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C ...but can an average teacher become excellent TT? #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:13 PM @shaznosel get involved in a local event would be a starting point #ELTchat
toulasklavou 9:14 PM @Shaunwilden What about Delta? Doesn't count as good qualification?#eltchat
Marisa_C 9:14 PM @shaznosel @elawassell I prefer TTs with MAs myself - don't hire w/o MA #ELTchat
teacherthom 9:14 PM hello #eltchat! Feel I have more to learn tonight than to contribute so pls don't mind if I just * other people's tweets for later reading
MarjorieRosenbe 9:14 PM Staying in the classroom helps in teacher training. #eltchat
SophiaMav 9:15 PM RT @Marisa_C: @shaznosel @elawassell I prefer TTs with MAs myself - dont hire w/o MA > agree #ELTchat
OztrkOzge 9:15 PM #eltchat what if i have done workshops and have experience but no formal training, then am i a TT?'cos i think some people think themself so
Shaunwilden 9:15 PM @Marisa_C well that's me buggered then #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:15 PM @toulasklavou Cambridge expect you to have it to become  a CELTA trainer #ELTchat
MarjorieRosenbe 9:16 PM Important as well to try out merhods in classroom before training teachers to do them. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:16 PM @OztrkOzge i think there are so many varieties of tt #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:16 PM @Shaunwilden ha ha might make an exception for u if u knocked on my door #ELTchat
MarjorieRosenbe 9:16 PM Also vital to establish rapport with participants in teacher training. #eltchat
shaznosel 9:16 PM @Shaunwilden yes it seems maybe voluntary work is the first step to exp..#eltchat
Marisa_C 9:17 PM Might be a good idea to begin with what kind of Ts make good TTs - share many qualities with outstanding Ts #ELTchat
SophiaMav 9:17 PM RT @MarjorieRosenbe: Important as well to try out merhods in classroom before training teachers to do them. #ELTchat
shaznosel 9:17 PM @dalecoulter in Greece, there are few organisations but I guess in the uk there are more options...thanks for the advice! #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:17 PM RT @MarjorieRosenbe: Important as well to try out merhods in classroom before training teachers to do them. #eltchat
dalecoulter 9:17 PM Summer jobs as a director of studies at summercamps was a good way for me to get experience- seminars, obs, feedback (w/criteria) #eltchat
shaznosel 9:18 PM @toulasklavou  hi babe! I think DELTA is great for CELTA training but no so useful for universities..what about publishers. #eltchat
eltknowledge 9:18 PM Hi everyone! Sorry I'm late. #eltchat
dalecoulter 9:18 PM RT @MarjorieRosenbe: Important as well to try out merhods in classroom before training teachers to do them. #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:19 PM And just cos @Shaunwilden just teases me abt it - the MA itself is not the issue - has the T done reading and research at MA level #ELtchat
shaznosel 9:19 PM @teacherthom me too...learning curve from the voices of experience!#eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 9:19 PM @Marisa_C Qualities like understanding but setting limits would be a starting point for me. #eltchat & organisational abilities
Shaunwilden 9:19 PM @natibrandi true but in may ways the training is the same #ELTchat
FrancesEales 9:20 PM I think you need experience in range of types of classes; and you need to be able to deal with people  tactfully but firmly. #eltchat
elawassell 9:20 PM here it is: presentation by @laIoli  http://t.co/CZ6owzss  (2)  #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:20 PM @Marisa_C i was teasing you by DM you didnt need to tell everyone :-) #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:21 PM RT @FrancesEales: I think you need experience in range of types of classes; and you need to be able to deal with people  tactfully but f ...
MarjorieRosenbe 9:21 PM RT @FrancesEales: I think you need experience in range of types of classes; and you need to be able to deal with people  tactfully but f ...
Shaunwilden 9:21 PM @Marisa_C So i was I :-) #ELTchat
DanielaArghir 9:21 PM @Marisa_C: "begin with what kind of Ts make good TTs" - I think Ts who are the reflective type - or are we all? :-) #ELTChat
Marisa_C 9:21 PM @Shaunwilden I was hurt!!!! :-D #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:21 PM @toulasklavou where to go is the hard part, the places that train new tutors tend to train from within #ELTchat
shaznosel 9:22 PM @Marisa_C good point..not just qualifications but how do u prove to a future employer what qualities u have..a CV says zero #eltchat
pettispbla 9:22 PM #PBLA helps ESL Ss with low Lit in first lang to develop transferable metacognitive skills #ESLLit #ELTchat #learning #teaching
Marisa_C 9:22 PM @DanielaArghir not sure - more recent courses are good abt producing reflecting Ts but also lots of mickey mouse stuff out there #ELTchat
MarjorieRosenbe 9:22 PM @FrancesEales Agree totally. #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:23 PM @dalecoulter @FrancesEales also counselling skills, ability to analyse and support in a developmental rather thana prescriptive way #ELTchat
kevingiddens 9:23 PM Mentoring and learn skills related to TT (positive regard/emotional intelligence) must be part of the process http://t.co/Zi0E1Qn2 #eltchat
shaznosel 9:23 PM RT @Marisa_C: Might be a good idea to begin with what kind of Ts make good TTs - share many qualities with outstanding Ts #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:23 PM RT @dalecoulter: @FrancesEales Yes, lots of psychology involved as well in TT I think - especially in the feedback stage #eltchat
dalecoulter 9:23 PM @FrancesEales Yes, lots of psychology involved as well in TT I think - especially in the feedback stage #eltchat
Noreen_Lam 9:24 PM So when should u do DELTA & when MA? For TT one & admin another? Writing? #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:24 PM @eltknowledge Thank you for making that comment - intolerant and non accepting od other than their own limited repertoire #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:24 PM @dalecoulter that was the hardest part i found esp when dealing with people on a CELTA for the first time #ELTchat
chiasuan 9:24 PM RT @Marisa_C: @dalecoulter @FrancesEales also counselling skills, ability to analyse and support in a developmental rather thana prescri ...
eltknowledge 9:24 PM New teacher trainers tend 2 b really harsh on trainees. It's abt helping trainers realise that every1has their own way. #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:25 PM RT @cuppa_coffee: a good Teacher Trainer is reflective practitioner, critical thinker, and coach. #ELTchat
FrancesEales 9:25 PM IH and Bell courses have people from a wide variety of backgrounds. Content has core skills e.g. observation + individual projects #eltchat
cuppa_coffee 9:25 PM a good Teacher Trainer is reflective practitioner, critical thinker, and coach. #ELTchat
shaznosel 9:25 PM @Marisa_C Which MA is the best for TT...no joke Mr ! #eltchat
natibrandi 9:25 PM #eltchat perhaps u need more than one or two tutors, like psychology experts, to learn about child development, if u r to teach YLs atschool
elawassell 9:26 PM At #IATEFL Glasgow I attended the morning "how to..." session by Silvana Richardson @laIoli on becoming a TT #ELTchat http://t.co/CZ6owzss
Shaunwilden 9:26 PM @Noreen_Lam  To be honest I think it depends more on the country you want to work in #ELTchat
eltknowledge 9:26 PM @Marisa_C Indeed. But it's human to tend to see things from our own pt of view. Training teacher trainers to not do that is key. #eltchat
SophiaMav 9:26 PM RT @cuppa_coffee: a good Teacher Trainer is reflective practitioner, critical thinker, and coach. #ELTchat
MarjorieRosenbe 9:26 PM I thinkvthere is also a difference in training trainees and training inwork teachers. #eltchat
natibrandi 9:26 PM #eltchat even learn about the laws in certain countries, there are things forbidden in institutions, there´s so much to learn in TTCs
Marisa_C 9:27 PM @eltknowledge  #eltchat Important also to have a wide and varied experience & ability to develop trainee's ideas, not your own #eltchat
shaznosel 9:27 PM @DanielaArghir if we were all reflective, there'd be more of us here tonite! I think u need to be motivating /passionate abt tchg #eltchat
eltknowledge 9:28 PM @Marisa_C Totally. In the beginning,it's easier 4 to trainer2suggest own ideas,but the skill is in helping other develop their own. #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 9:28 PM RT @eltknowledge: @Marisa_C Indeed. But it's human to tend to see things from our own pt of view. Training teacher trainers to not do th ...
MarjorieRosenbe 9:28 PM RT @SophiaMav: RT @cuppa_coffee: a good Teacher Trainer is reflective practitioner, critical thinker, and coach. #ELTchat
dalecoulter 9:28 PM What about good organisational skills to deal with the admin load? #eltchat
OztrkOzge 9:28 PM #ELTchat  i start my MA after 2-year-teaching experience but courses made me to wish that i had had more>> experienced Ts were more succssfl
MarjorieRosenbe 9:28 PM @Marisa_C @eltknowledge Really important to accept that so's teaching situation may be totally different than your own. #eltchat
AnnLoseva 9:28 PM @shaznosel @danielaarghir many of us are reflective and lurking here tonite :)) #eltchat
shaznosel 9:28 PM @dalecoulter definitely, how to tell someone their weaknesses..not easy..lots of psycho needed #eltchat
FrancesEales 9:28 PM @Marisa_C @dalecoulter And also you need to be emotionally and physically quite resilient to cope with people's emotional stress. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:28 PM RT @Marisa_C: @eltknowledge  #eltchat Important also to have a wide and varied experience & ability to develop trainee's ideas, not  ...
Shaunwilden 9:29 PM @dalecoulter it certainly helps but i 've known many a g8 trainer who was poor at admin #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:29 PM @FrancesEales  #eltchat Very true - I have trained a good number of drama queens :-) #ELTchat and trainees emotionally v needy
MarjorieRosenbe 9:29 PM RT @Marisa_C: @eltknowledge  #eltchat Important also to have a wide and varied experience & ability to develop trainee's ideas, not  ...
toulasklavou 9:29 PM Good TT should really love their job, learn from it & care abt the trainees#eltchat
elawassell 9:29 PM RT @Marisa_C: @eltknowledge Important also to have a wide and varied experience & ability to develop trainees ideas, not your own #ELTchat
dalecoulter 9:30 PM @MarjorieRosenbe lots of marking and reports to deal with! #eltchat
shaznosel 9:30 PM @elawassell thanks for the info..#eltchat
elawassell 9:30 PM I think to be a TT you need to shift your mindset - from teaching Ss the language to Teaching teachers how to teach the language... #ELTchat
FrancesEales 9:30 PM RT @dalecoulter: What about good organisational skills to deal with the admin load? #eltchat Couldn't agree more!!!
MarjorieRosenbe 9:30 PM @dalecoulter Organisational skills were in my list of whst is necessary. I agree they are vital. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:30 PM @Marisa_C lol #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:30 PM @Shaunwilden  #ELTchat agree - am working on it :-D
Marisa_C 9:31 PM I think it's also quite impotant to be able to inspire one's trainees - & to have outstanding class teaching & presentation skills #ELTchat
eltknowledge 9:31 PM @MarjorieRosenbe The variation of our teaching contxts is what inspired this post abt the role of the teacher. #eltchat http://t.co/17u8m6X8
DanielaArghir 9:31 PM @dalecoulter I think good organisational skills will help/let you concentrate on the actual training #ELTChat
MarjorieRosenbe 9:31 PM Flexibility and openess on part of the trainer also at the top of the list. #eltchat
kevingiddens 9:31 PM TTs need to be committed to continuous self-development and to appreciate critical feedback and be able to act on it #eltchat
elawassell 9:31 PM ... also you need a different skills set. #ELTchat
elawassell 9:32 PM RT @kevingiddens: TTs need to be committed to continuous self-development and 2 appreciate critical feedback and be able2 act on it #ELTchat
shaznosel 9:32 PM @Marisa_C too be open to other Ts ideas and opinions..to listen is a valuable skill. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:32 PM @elawassell not a totally different one, some things like empathy, listening, understanding etc are needed for teaching as well #ELTchat
toulasklavou 9:32 PM RT @shaznosel: @Marisa_C Which MA is the best for TT...no joke Mr ! #eltchat
cuppa_coffee 9:33 PM I've always thought teacher 'training' was about techniques, methods & testing & 'education' was issues, context & evaluation #ELTchat
MarjorieRosenbe 9:33 PM RT @Marisa_C: I think it's also quite impotant to be able to inspire one's trainees - & to have outstanding class teaching & pre ...
FrancesEales 9:34 PM @Marisa_C I'm not sure I was 'outstanding' starting TT but I found helping teachers e.g. in phonology really helped me up my game. #eltchat
eannegrenoble 9:34 PM RT @eltknowledge: @Marisa_C Totally. In the beginning,it's easier 4 to trainer2suggest own ideas,but the skill is in helping other devel ...
Shaunwilden 9:34 PM @cuppa_coffee hmm  now hat made me think, am wondering if i agree or not #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:34 PM @cuppa_coffee Absolutely - but it also involves applying Knowle's model of Andragogy :-) #ELTchat
shaznosel 9:34 PM @elawassell ummm..who monitors the TT..#eltchat
Noreen_Lam 9:34 PM @Shaunwilden oh really? I need to do a lotta research then....#eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:35 PM @Noreen_Lam well i have DELTA, well dtefla and hasnt stopped me being a trainer or author  #ELTchat
shaznosel 9:35 PM RT @AnnLoseva: @shaznosel @danielaarghir many of us are reflective and lurking here tonite :)) #eltchat
eltknowledge 9:36 PM @FrancesEales @Marisa_C I totally agree. Doing TT helps us trainers reflect on what we really do as well. #eltchat
elawassell 9:36 PM @Shaunwilden true. What I meant was - you're not dealing only with the language.Your trainees are not (only?) learners of language  #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:36 PM @FrancesEales On a CELTA course for e.g. tutors need to do demo lessons for trainees - do u think they should just be average good? #ELTchat
MarjorieRosenbe 9:37 PM RT @eltknowledge: @FrancesEales @Marisa_C I totally agree. Doing TT helps us trainers reflect on what we really do as well. #eltchat
Noreen_Lam 9:37 PM @Shaunwilden moral of the story, u can do whatever u set ur heart to if ur prepped to work hard! :) #eltchat
shaznosel 9:37 PM @FrancesEales yes..surely as a TT it is a continual learning curve..so how do t s get into it? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:37 PM RT @cuppa_coffee: @dalecoulter that depends on whose criteria for good TT you're using - the trainees or the centre manager!! #ELTchat
natibrandi 9:37 PM #eltchat Ithnk good TTs focus on the classit´s not just fixed expected recipes, T may ask ls to read rubrics and check n learners get it!
Shaunwilden 9:37 PM @elawassell aha i see in that case I agree :-) #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:38 PM @Noreen_Lam I'd say that's a good way of looking at it #ELTchat
rapple18 9:38 PM has this been covered yet?.. - does TT require more closely responding to where trainees are at / to help them develop? #ELTchat
seburnt 9:38 PM Absolutely. MT @eltknowledge: @FrancesEales @Marisa_C Doing TT helps us trainers reflect on what we really do as well. #eltchat
toulasklavou 9:38 PM So you have all these qualities & qualifications, which doors do u knock and who's willing 2 hear?#eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:39 PM RT @FrancesEales: I think observation is the most challenging skill/art. I'm still learning how to do it better and ask for fdbck from ' ...
shaznosel 9:39 PM @Marisa_C an inspiring TT means inspired teachers means inspired ss #eltchat
elawassell 9:39 PM @shaznosel I understood that @kevingiddens meant when you are training to be a TT you need to be reflective and open to feedback.  #ELTchat
eannegrenoble 9:39 PM @rapple18 I think that depends on the requirememnts of the institution  #ELTchat
MarjorieRosenbe 9:39 PM @cuppa_coffee @dalecoulter Ot the sts the trainees teach. #eltchat
FrancesEales 9:39 PM I think observation is the most challenging skill/art. I'm still learning how to do it better and ask for fdbck from 'triainees'. #eltchat
shaznosel 9:40 PM RT @toulasklavou: So you have all these qualities & qualifications, which doors do u knock and who's willing 2 hear?#eltchat
rapple18 9:40 PM @eannegrenoble fair point, but I guess it shouldnt stunt one's own focus / priorities #ELTchat
seburnt 9:40 PM Modeling approach i.e. guided discovery for TT materials, as example for S materials. #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:40 PM @FrancesEales  #eltchat and handling feedback that builds on trainee's reflection and ability to improve rather than destroy
eltknowledge 9:40 PM @cuppa_coffee @shaznosel @dalecoulter I'm a big fan of using video. But sometimes diff to get trainees 2 agree 2 be videoed. #eltchat
seburnt 9:40 PM It's hard not to just give trainees advice about how we would do their lesson diff. Modeling approach here to them is good too. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:41 PM RT @seburnt: Modeling approach i.e. guided discovery for TT materials, as example for S materials. #eltchat Yes modeling is imp
FrancesEales 9:41 PM @Marisa_C I think we should be very good models, if not outstanding; for me other qualities are as/more important. #eltchat
FrancesEales 9:42 PM @Marisa_C I know some 'brilliant' teachers who would not make very sympathetic or effective trainers so it's a balance I guess #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:42 PM RT @Marisa_C: @cuppa_coffee my own take is different & my first TT was not a v good trainer but he was an inspiring T role model #ELTchat
shaznosel 9:42 PM @toulasklavou you read my mind! Where do we knock?  Who employs tts today?#eltchat
natibrandi 9:42 PM @Collaborative #eltchat that´s why I think TT should focus on learnes reactions and if lessons r conducive to learning,  beyond procedures!
toulasklavou 9:43 PM RT @shaznosel: @toulasklavou you read my mind! Where do we knock?  Who employs tts today?#eltchat
seburnt 9:43 PM @shaznosel low stakes programs for Ss where you can build your classroom exp? I often think private lang schools are a gr8 start #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:43 PM @shaznosel @toulasklavou  #eltchat CELTA centres around the world - 12,000 candidates annually - biiiiig industry
rapple18 9:43 PM @Marisa_C @FrancesEales I think there's a strong case 4 building on reflection. Seems to be more upfront in TT than class teaching. #eltchat
shaznosel 9:44 PM @elawassell ah with you...agree! Feedback is invaluable from yrvtainer and yr ss too..#eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:44 PM @rapple18 you're right there is a helluva lot of reflection in TT #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:44 PM @seburnt  #eltchat Agree - I started my career doing TT work for publishers but then got an in-house trainer job for a school
rapple18 9:45 PM wld b curious to compare ideas on what CELTA trainer's sessions / demo lessons should b. Have v mixd feelings; experieced all sorts #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:45 PM @natibrandi  #eltchat those are the passes #ELTchat
eltknowledge 9:45 PM I think training up trainers should include having trainers watch the students (not just trainees) when trainees teach. #eltchat
toulasklavou 9:45 PM @cuppa_coffee @Shaunwilden What do you mean?#eltchat
natibrandi 9:45 PM @Marisa_C @shaznosel @toulasklavou #eltchat shocking!  pass %?
eltknowledge 9:45 PM @cuppa_coffee @FrancesEales @Marisa_C Oh without a doubt! #eltchat
eltknowledge 9:46 PM @Shaunwilden Watch the students reactions,&how trainees are responding to the students. Not just the technical things trainees do. #eltchat
natibrandi 9:46 PM @shaznosel @elawassell #eltchat and do u think videotaping lessons works best for giving feedback?
Shaunwilden 9:46 PM @eltknowledge watch them for what? #ELTchat
seburnt 9:47 PM Good idea. Perhaps have diff trainees look for diff things during observation. @eltknowledge  #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:47 PM @eltknowledge but surely a good trainer does that anyway? #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:47 PM @rapple18 i've seen a fair bit of variety in sessions of the years , i guess each brings their own take #ELTchat
shaznosel 9:47 PM @seburnt so where would u say I gained this experience..a MA/ DELTA or just exp and reflection with peers. #eltchat
shaznosel 9:48 PM @eltknowledge really... But if I was a trainee I d want to be videod cause it would help me..a true reflection of u! #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 9:48 PM @FrancesEales @Marisa_C The best TT I had was an enthusiastic  music teacher in an inner city school who loved her job. #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:48 PM Please remember to use hashtag and to tweet on topic #ELTchat
eltknowledge 9:48 PM @Shaunwilden A good trainer, yes. But when training up trainers, we often forget about this aspect of training. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:49 PM @eltknowledge speak for yourself ;-) #ELTchat
eltknowledge 9:49 PM @shaznosel I'm the same. But a lot of people have a fear of watching or listening back to a recording of themselves. Shy? #eltchat
michaelegriffin 9:49 PM RT @eltknowledge: I think training up trainers should include having trainers watch the students (not just trainees) when trainees teach ...
seburnt 9:49 PM @shaznosel Maybe I misund. ur Q. ;S MA/DELTA are both valuable & viewed diff by diff contexts. #eltchat
seburnt 9:50 PM Watching urself at any career stage is enlightening! MT @shaznosel: @eltknowledge But if I was a trainee Id want to be videod ... #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:50 PM I think i improved loads by watching myself on video #Eltchat it's a great tool but often not enough time to use when doing FB for 3 Ts
toulasklavou 9:50 PM @shaznosel @seburnt or even be in the right place at the right time?#eltchat
eltknowledge 9:51 PM @Shaunwilden Great! When I was being trained, no one taught me to do so. Could I steal your session? #eltchat
seburnt 9:51 PM Trainees can give feedback to themselves from videos. :) @Marisa_C  #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:51 PM Nowadays I tend to videotape snippets and this we have time to watch on the spot #ELTchat can email or upload them for trainees
eltknowledge 9:51 PM @Marisa_C Yep! I wish we had more feedbk time on the CELTA when we can watch back lessons and reflect together. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:51 PM @eltknowledge when i used to train up new celta tutors yes  I had a task on it #ELTchat
shaznosel 9:51 PM @seburnt see yr point but in Greece..schools don' t want anyone 'interfering' and making suggestions! #eltchat
natibrandi 9:51 PM @eltknowledge thats what I think Go beyond the procedure Who says this is how you should check concepts?theory or learners show it? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:52 PM @Marisa_C yes the ease of videoing these days is a real bonus in teacher training #ELTchat
shaznosel 9:52 PM @rapple18 please explain! #eltchat
toulasklavou 9:53 PM RT @shaznosel: @seburnt see yr point but in Greece..schools don' t want anyone 'interfering' and making suggestions! #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:53 PM To train up as a CELTA tutor you have to shadow one or more courses (depending on tt experience)and produce a trainer portfolio #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:54 PM RT @FrancesEales: #eltchat An excellent blogpost on moving into training; includes refs to other articles
natibrandi 9:54 PM @eltknowledge @Marisa_C video seems to be a great tool for reflection, then #eltchat
FrancesEales 9:54 PM #eltchat An excellent blogpost on moving into training; includes refs to other articles
Shaunwilden 9:54 PM coming up to five minutes left so heading towards final comments, questions etc.......and someone to voulnteer for the summary #ELTchat
shaznosel 9:55 PM @seburnt with u...I meant u personally..what has been the most useful 'tool' to enable u to be happy with your TT#eltchat
rapple18 9:55 PM @shaznosel 1. Some TTs have 1-2 'best lessons' up their sleeves; dont nec. respond2 sts needs. Others teach a good lesson from CB. #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:55 PM RT @kevingiddens: Consider becoming a World Learning/SIT Teacher Trainer http://t.co/baJCYKBH #eltchat
eltknowledge 9:55 PM RT @FrancesEales: #eltchat An excellent blogpost on moving into training; includes refs to other articles
rapple18 9:56 PM @shaznosel 2. Dilemma of teaching a fail-proof lesson, and demo'ing to the trainees: Tough, but I veer towards a good lesson 4 sts #eltchat
eannegrenoble 9:56 PM BYE BYE and thx, have enjoyed listening :-) #eltchat
eltknowledge 9:56 PM I have to run! Thanks for the very interesting topic on today's #eltchat ! See you guys next week!
Noreen_Lam 9:56 PM @cuppa_coffee really?? How & where? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:57 PM @cuppa_coffee @Noreen_Lam  a quite a few MA courses will also give you credit if you already hold DELTA #ELTchat
natibrandi 9:57 PM @rapple18 @shaznosel agree #eltchat I´d say good TTs tell if lessons are conducive to learning by observing student´s reactions and trainee
MarjorieRosenbe 9:57 PM Battery on phone is going and I am off to bed. can do a summary in Feb #eltchat
barbsaka 9:57 PM Is The Teacher Going the Way of the Dodo? via @OUPELTGlobal http://t.co/C0L7gbKy #eltchat
shaznosel 9:57 PM @toulasklavou from other TT s I ve spoken to..this is the key! Good point! #eltchat
Noreen_Lam 9:58 PM @Shaunwilden ahhhh interesting....good to know. #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:58 PM So who is going to get their teeth into this great #ELTchat summary?
Shaunwilden 9:58 PM Volunteer, please #ELTchat
dalecoulter 9:58 PM Great topic today. Glad I could participate and a lot to think about for the future! #eltchat
shaznosel 9:59 PM @FrancesEales cheers! Seems every TT followed a different path...#eltchat
shaznosel 10:00 PM @rapple18 always..ss are no 1 #eltchat
Marisa_C 10:00 PM You can apply to be trained up as a CELTA trainer at any centre that accepts tutors in training but you need to pay for this work #ELTchat
rapple18 10:00 PM many thanks all - sorry only arrived half way thru; plenty food 4 thought.. and more! v meaty #ELTchat
SophiaMav 10:01 PM I can do the summary but it'll take some time (a week or so) #ELTchat
muranava 10:01 PM thx all :) #eltchat
natibrandi 10:01 PM #eltchat thanks, I learned a lot, sorry can´t write the summary, crazy week, glad I managed to take part!
Shaunwilden 10:01 PM Thanks all for joining, see you next week, oh no i wont but you know what i mean #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 10:02 PM RT @Marisa_C: So no one volunteering for the summary? @shaznosel it's your turn I think ahh wait @SophiaMav has offered  #ELTchat
Marisa_C 10:03 PM @SophiaMav  #ELTchat Can wait Sophaki mou - great! and thanks
Shaunwilden 10:03 PM let me know who volunteers, am off to get the transcript #ELTchat
shaznosel 10:03 PM @Marisa_C I ll do it if I can get my laptop working! My son's mini iPad was great tonite but writing a summary...#eltchat
FrancesEales 10:03 PM Great chat and good luck with all who're wanting to move into TT #eltchat
toulasklavou 10:03 PM Goodnight everyone, great talking to you all#eltchat
shaznosel 10:04 PM @FrancesEales thanks for your inspirational input..love my #eltchat
SophiaMav 10:05 PM @Marisa_C Am i doing it or @shaznosel is? #ELTchat
english247 10:05 PM Intermediate #English - Read about The Chinese New Year (Feb 10) and do a quiz http://t.co/QfbHR65r #esl #efl #eltchat #english #kids #yl
shaznosel 10:06 PM @Marisa_C so I won t do the summary. #eltchat
Marisa_C 10:07 PM @shaznosel  #eltchat u are confusing me i thought u said u couldn't on an ipad so sophia is ok
SophiaMav 10:08 PM @Marisa_C great, will do my best :) #ELTchat
Marisa_C 10:09 PM @SophiaMav perfect #ELTchat

 

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