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| Marisa_C |
12:02 PM |
Hi everyone and welcome to #ELTchat - we are talking about Mentoring so members of the TESOL EVO workshop invited |
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| eltknowledge |
12:03 PM |
The school I worked for had a mentoring system & new members of staff were assigned a mentor. Is that what we're talking abt? #eltchat |
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| worldteacher |
12:03 PM |
@Shaunwilden What should the role of 'Mentor Teacher' involve? #eltchat |
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| teflgeek |
12:03 PM |
I'm meant to "mentor" some of my colleagues, but I don't know if I do it very well - so looking fowards to some good advice! #eltchat |
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| Shaunwilden |
12:03 PM |
RT @TailormadeEng: Perhaps we could start by discussing what exactly mentoring involves? #eltchat |
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| TailormadeEng |
12:03 PM |
Perhaps we could start by discussing what exactly mentoring involves? #eltchat |
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| Shaunwilden |
12:03 PM |
Hello everyone, a topic a number of you wanted so where shall we begin #eltchat |
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| Teachersilvert |
12:03 PM |
@TailormadeEng hi nice to be here as I'll have two students in two weeks or so... |
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| teflgeek |
12:04 PM |
mentor = walking advice source / professional checklist / quality control officer? #eltchat |
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| louisealix68 |
12:04 PM |
the university here also has 'mentors' who help with research projects in the school #eltchat |
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| Shaunwilden |
12:04 PM |
Ok so first up what does mentoring involve......#eltchat |
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| Teachersilvert |
12:04 PM |
@TailormadeEng inspiring and showing the way. #eltchat |
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| lauraahaha |
12:04 PM |
Hi #eltchat! So, mentoring, mentoring… where to begin? |
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| worldteacher |
12:05 PM |
RT @eltknowledge: A mentor can help a new member of staff get used to the admin systems of the new workplace. #eltchat >Yes |
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| lauraahaha |
12:05 PM |
Typical - guy I've been waiting for all morning just turned up to fix our radiators!! Might be in and out of #eltchat… :( |
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| yearinthelifeof |
12:05 PM |
RT @eltknowledge: A mentor can help a new member of staff get used to the admin systems of the new workplace. #eltchat |
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| touqo |
12:05 PM |
I think it is important that the mentor and actor are organizationally independent of each other. #eltchat |
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| teflgeek |
12:05 PM |
@louisealix68 qualified yes #eltchat |
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| TailormadeEng |
12:05 PM |
RT @eltknowledge: A mentor can help a new member of staff get used to the admin systems of the new workplace. #eltchat |
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| eltknowledge |
12:05 PM |
A mentor can help a new member of staff get used to the admin systems of the new workplace. #eltchat |
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| louisealix68 |
12:05 PM |
mentor / coach - I see a difference. You too? #eltchat |
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| worldteacher |
12:05 PM |
@eltknowledge Yes - did the system work for you? What did the mentor role involve? #eltchat |
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| TailormadeEng |
12:05 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: Ok so first up what does mentoring involve......#eltchat Helping new teachers plan lessons? |
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| louisealix68 |
12:06 PM |
coach - reflection sessions. Mentor - answers questions. #eltchat |
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| touqo |
12:06 PM |
Actor's superior(s) should be committed to the activity in order for the mentoring to go smoothly. #eltchat |
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| louisealix68 |
12:06 PM |
our school : coaching sessions for all new teachers at school + mentor with someone from own dept. #eltchat |
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| worldteacher |
12:06 PM |
RT @touqo: I think it is important that the mentor and actor are organizationally independent of each other. #eltchat >Interesting. Why? |
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| TailormadeEng |
12:06 PM |
RT @touqo: I think it is important that the mentor and actor are organizationally independent of each other. #eltchat Why do you say that? |
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| eltknowledge |
12:06 PM |
@worldteacher When I was a mentor, my mentee didn't really have much to ask me, and so it faded in2 the ether. #eltchat |
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| louisealix68 |
12:07 PM |
@TailormadeEng is common system at schools here #eltchat |
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| Shaunwilden |
12:07 PM |
RT @worldteacher: @eltknowledge That's a pity - isn't it about CPD & growing as a teacher - not just induction to new institution? # ... |
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| worldteacher |
12:07 PM |
@eltknowledge That's a pity - isn't it about CPD & growing as a teacher - not just induction to new institution? #eltchat |
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| TailormadeEng |
12:07 PM |
RT @louisealix68: coach - reflection sessions. Mentor - answers questions. #eltchat Interesting distinction Louise |
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| burcuakyol |
12:07 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Sharing some of the work we did on the #aplanet project on mentoring http://t.co/XemgUb3T #ELTchat |
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| aPLaNetproject |
12:07 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Sharing some of the work we did on the #aplanet project on mentoring http://t.co/XemgUb3T #ELTchat |
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| eltknowledge |
12:07 PM |
@worldteacher @touqo Depends on the role of the mentor tho. Not if the mentor is 2help the mentee assimilate in2 the organisation… #eltchat |
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| Marisa_C |
12:07 PM |
Sharing some of the work we did on the #aplanet project on mentoring http://t.co/XemgUb3T #ELTchat |
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| teflgeek |
12:08 PM |
@worldteacher @eltknowledge Can't it be both? That's what we try to do here. #eltchat |
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| worldteacher |
12:08 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Sharing some of the work we did on the #aplanet project on mentoring http://t.co/XemgUb3T #ELTchat |
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| worldteacher |
12:08 PM |
RT @louisealix68: coach - reflection sessions. Mentor - answers questions. #eltchat >Answers questions or tells mentee where to find answer? |
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| eltknowledge |
12:08 PM |
@worldteacher That's true, but let's face it: Mentors r not often trained 2 be mentors, so not necessarily able to help with CPD. #eltchat |
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| TailormadeEng |
12:08 PM |
RT @worldteacher: @eltknowledge isn't it about CPD & growing as a teacher - not just induction to new institution? #eltchat I agree |
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| touqo |
12:08 PM |
@worldteacher @TailormadeEng to ensure informal atmosphere free of the day-to-day aspects of professional life. #eltchat |
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| DRichW |
12:08 PM |
RT @worldteacher: @eltknowledge isn't it about CPD & growing as a teacher - not just induction to new institution? #eltchat I agree |
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| touqo |
12:09 PM |
@eltknowledge sure. But if the goal is to boos the actor's career, as often is the case, it is best to get the mentor elsewhere. #eltchat |
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| eltknowledge |
12:09 PM |
@teflgeek @worldteacher I totally agree. The real value of a mentor should be CPD…but it really depends on the organisation. #eltchat |
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| louisealix68 |
12:09 PM |
@worldteacher gen answers questions when possible. But on 'practical' level. Coach is for more in-depth non subject-related things.#eltchat |
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| Shaunwilden |
12:09 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Ane here is a pdf document our team produce "A Guide to Mentors" hope you can find it useful #ELTchat #aplanet http://t.co ... |
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| Marisa_C |
12:09 PM |
Ane here is a pdf document our team produce "A Guide to Mentors" hope you can find it useful #ELTchat #aplanet http://t.co/xulnyp49 |
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| worldteacher |
12:09 PM |
@eltknowledge Yes, that's my problem now - how best to train my mentor teachers to be mentors! #eltchat |
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| MentorEvo |
12:09 PM |
RT @touqo: @worldteacher @TailormadeEng to ensure informal atmosphere free of the day-to-day aspects of professional life.|Gr8 #eltchat |
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| HOSNA_ELT |
12:09 PM |
RT @eltknowledge: @worldteacher That's true, but let's face it: Mentors r not often trained 2 be mentors, so not necessarily able to hel ... |
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| esolcourses |
12:10 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Sharing some of the work we did on the #aplanet project on mentoring http://t.co/XemgUb3T #ELTchat |
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| worldteacher |
12:10 PM |
@teflgeek @eltknowledge Yes - I guess the nature of the relationship changes over time. #eltchat |
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| TailormadeEng |
12:10 PM |
RT @worldteacher: RT @louisealix68 #eltchat Answers questions or tells mentee where to find? Could be both, shows where to find answer first |
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| teflgeek |
12:11 PM |
@worldteacher @eltknowledge but also it's about discussing problems and making sure teachers don't suffer in silence #eltchat |
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| eltknowledge |
12:11 PM |
I had a really amazing staffrm where experienced teachers all chipped in 2 help with CPD.But they weren't assigned mentors as such. #eltchat |
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| AlexandraKouk |
12:11 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Ane here is a pdf document our team produce "A Guide to Mentors" hope you can find it useful #ELTchat #aplanet http://t.co ... |
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| Shaunwilden |
12:11 PM |
@worldteacher @teflgeek @eltknowledge IS there a time limit? #ELTchat |
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| Marisa_C |
12:11 PM |
So a mentor does not train but supports someone (a teacher, a learner) in some new learning venture? #ELTchat |
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| teflgeek |
12:11 PM |
@worldteacher @eltknowledge many teachers find admin a burden, part of mentoring here is helping them (chasing them) with it #eltchat |
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| yya2 |
12:11 PM |
In my school, mentor and mentees observe each other to learn about their practices, discuss the reasons behind practices. #eltchat |
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| AlexandraKouk |
12:11 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Sharing some of the work we did on the #aplanet project on mentoring http://t.co/XemgUb3T #ELTchat |
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| TailormadeEng |
12:11 PM |
How about opps for mentoring for those of us who work freelance? Online? #eltchat |
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| HOSNA_ELT |
12:11 PM |
@eltknowledge @worldteacher I totally agree. They usually have no defined roles in hand #eltchat |
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| esolcourses |
12:12 PM |
@Marisa_C I've trained and mentored somone at the same time, though much of the training was done in the way of guided discovery #eltchat |
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| teflgeek |
12:12 PM |
@Shaunwilden the length of the professional relationship? #eltchat - just thinking practically! |
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| worldteacher |
12:12 PM |
RT @teflgeek: @eltknowledge but also it's about discussing problems and making sure teachers don't suffer in silence #eltchat >Agree!! |
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| lauraahaha |
12:12 PM |
Good idea! RT @TailormadeEng: RT @yya2: In my school, mentor and mentees observe each other . #eltchat Nice idea - two-way relationship |
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| Marisa_C |
12:12 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C Mightn't there be some training especially at the beginning? #ELTchat > possible but not permanent |
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| eltknowledge |
12:12 PM |
@Shaunwilden @worldteacher @teflgeek Usually, there isn't a time limit, but it sort of fades off…the relationship…doesn't it? #eltchat |
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| worldteacher |
12:12 PM |
@teflgeek Same here, but that's not what I wanted the focus of the role to be when I created it! #eltchat |
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| MentorEvo |
12:12 PM |
@TailormadeEng That's an excellent idea. Is anyone doing sg like that now? #eltchat |
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| Shaunwilden |
12:12 PM |
@Marisa_C Mightn't there be some training especially at the beginning? #ELTchat |
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| louisealix68 |
12:12 PM |
@TailormadeEng isn't that also what PLN can do & #eltchat?! |
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| yearinthelifeof |
12:12 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Ane here is a pdf document our team produce "A Guide to Mentors" hope you can find it useful #ELTchat #aplanet http://t.co ... |
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| TailormadeEng |
12:12 PM |
RT @yya2: In my school, mentor and mentees observe each other . #eltchat Nice idea - two-way relationship |
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| esolcourses |
12:12 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: So a mentor does not train but supports someone (a teacher, a learner) in some new learning venture? #ELTchat depends, I think |
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| louisealix68 |
12:13 PM |
my old school had 'open door day' - if door open staff cld go watch. must then give feedback/ask q's after-Great 4 learning, 4 both #eltchat |
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| touqo |
12:13 PM |
Learning is bi-directional. The actor/mentee should be able to communicate the things the mentor gets out of the activity. #eltchat |
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| lauraahaha |
12:13 PM |
Good point-can/should they be? RT @eltknowledge Mentors r not often trained 2 be mentors, so not necessarily able to help with CPD. #eltchat |
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| esolcourses |
12:13 PM |
RT @yearinthelifeof: @esolcourses @Marisa_C Mentors ask 'have you thought about..' 'what might happen if you...' #eltchat ] yes, agree |
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| worldteacher |
12:13 PM |
@eltknowledge @Shaunwilden @teflgeek I guess it takes its natural course - until the mentee is ready to be a mentor, perhaps? #eltchat |
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| teflgeek |
12:13 PM |
@eltknowledge @Shaunwilden @worldteacher Senior staff swap mentee relatioships each year to provide different perspectives #eltchat |
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| Shaunwilden |
12:13 PM |
@DRichW Yes i'd say that was one of the ultimate aims #ELTchat |
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| chiasuan |
12:13 PM |
@worldteacher @teflgeek @eltknowledge Yes indeed. Providing a listening ear and guiding questions to help explore issues. #eltchat |
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| TailormadeEng |
12:13 PM |
@eltknowledge @Shaunwilden @worldteacher @teflgeek perhaps that's the aim, making the mentee independent #eltchat |
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| Marisa_C |
12:13 PM |
@esolcourses that sounds like a good learning model #eltchat |
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| MentorEvo |
12:13 PM |
@louisealix68 I think mentoring is a more frequent and detailed attention to each others' day-to-day development #eltchat |
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| yearinthelifeof |
12:13 PM |
@esolcourses @Marisa_C Mentors ask 'have you thought about..' 'what might happen if you...' #eltchat |
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| DRichW |
12:13 PM |
@eltknowledge @Shaunwilden @worldteacher @teflgeek perhaps that's the aim, making the mentee independent #eltchat |
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| AlexandraKouk |
12:13 PM |
#eltchat key elements: personal or professional development, reflection, informal transmission of knowledge, relationship-based |
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| eltknowledge |
12:13 PM |
@lauraahaha @TailormadeEng @yya2 I like that idea of observing each other…mutual learning experience. #eltchat |
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| MentorEvo |
12:14 PM |
@lauraahaha I think mentoring is less about training than affinity and dedication - we learn on the go from the interaction. #eltchat |
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| teflgeek |
12:14 PM |
@worldteacher @eltknowledge @Shaunwilden or until the mentee gets bored and wanders off.... #eltchat |
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| TailormadeEng |
12:14 PM |
RT @louisealix68: my old school had 'open door day' - if door open staff cld go watch. must then give feedback/ask q's after #eltchat Nice! |
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| worldteacher |
12:14 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Ane here is a pdf document our team produce "A Guide to Mentors" hope you can find it useful #ELTchat #aplanet http://t.co ... |
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| esolcourses |
12:14 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @esolcourses that sounds like a good learning model #eltchat ] yes - worked very well, IMO. I learnt a lot from it, too |
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| eltknowledge |
12:14 PM |
@teflgeek @Shaunwilden @worldteacher I like that! Staff swap mentor/mentee relationships! #eltchat |
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| Marisa_C |
12:14 PM |
RT @AlexandraKouk: #eltchat key elements: personal or profe development, reflection, informal transmission of knowledge, relationship-based |
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| teflgeek |
12:15 PM |
@Shaunwilden @worldteacher @eltknowledge I wonder which happens first more often.... #eltchat |
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| louisealix68 |
12:15 PM |
@eltknowledge #eltchat I always loved this. Scary at first but learn so much, both sides! |
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| touqo |
12:15 PM |
The actors/mentees should themselves find the mentors. The superiors should only agree or disagree. #eltchat |
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| worldteacher |
12:15 PM |
RT @teflgeek: @eltknowledge @Shaunwilden or until the mentee gets bored and wanders off.... #eltchat >That's the other scenario!! |
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| OUPELTGlobal |
12:15 PM |
@louisealix68 I really like the open door day idea, probably fosters a really good atmosphere in the school #eltchat |
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| lauraahaha |
12:15 PM |
@MentorEvo In which case, anyone can be a mentor? Nothing to do w/ experience #eltchat |
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| Marisa_C |
12:15 PM |
#ELTchat - mentor a Greek work - I thought you might like to know :-D http://t.co/8hZIH73F |
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| teflgeek |
12:15 PM |
@chiasuan @worldteacher @eltknowledge share experience - make sure teachers know it's not only them #eltchat |
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| Shaunwilden |
12:15 PM |
@teflgeek @worldteacher @eltknowledge or the mentor #ELTchat |
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| eltknowledge |
12:15 PM |
@louisealix68 My old school had a permanent open door policy. We just had to put our names up for it & anyone can drop in anytime. #eltchat |
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| lauraahaha |
12:15 PM |
I've been asked to 'be available for' new Ts before. I think that's a big part of mentoring-just there for Qs, informal chats, etc. #eltchat |
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| englishatworkbr |
12:15 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Ane here is a pdf document our team produce "A Guide to Mentors" hope you can find it useful #ELTchat #aplanet http://t.co ... |
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| eltknowledge |
12:16 PM |
RT @teflgeek: @worldteacher @eltknowledge it's about discussing problems & making sure teachers don't suffer in silence #eltchat > Yes! |
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| AlexandraKouk |
12:16 PM |
#eltchat Mentors can just help mentees discover where they want to go |
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| MentorEvo |
12:16 PM |
@eltknowledge LOL #eltchat |
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| Shaunwilden |
12:16 PM |
As #ELTchat progresses remember the whole topic is..... their role; best practices, pitfalls, tips #eltchat |
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| Marisa_C |
12:16 PM |
My own metaphor for a mentor is someone who 'can take you under their wing' and help you when you need it #ELTchat - what's your own? |
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| yya2 |
12:16 PM |
Observations of each other happens because there's a teaching aspect that the mentee or mentor wants to improve. #eltchat |
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| MentorEvo |
12:16 PM |
RT @touqo: The actors/mentees should themselves find the mentors. The superiors should only agree or disagree. | Indeed. #eltchat |
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| worldteacher |
12:16 PM |
RT @yya2: In my school, mentor and mentees observe each other to learn about their practices, discuss the reasons behind practices. #eltchat |
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| louisealix68 |
12:16 PM |
problem is, mentor/coach often simply person with 'time' not nec. best 4 job! #eltchat |
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| TailormadeEng |
12:16 PM |
RT @MentorEvo: @lauraahaha I think mentoring is less about training than affinity and dedication - we learn on the go from the interacti ... |
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| worldteacher |
12:16 PM |
RT @teflgeek: @Shaunwilden @eltknowledge I wonder which happens first more often.... #eltchat >Someone must have researched it! |
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| eltknowledge |
12:16 PM |
@teflgeek @Shaunwilden @worldteacher Like in any relationships, people drift apart…sob sob… #eltchat |
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| esolcourses |
12:17 PM |
RT @AlexandraKouk: #eltchat Mentors can just help mentees discover where they want to go |
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| eltknowledge |
12:17 PM |
@worldteacher @teflgeek @Shaunwilden Imagine that! PhD topic: Who'd love to go a wandering? - The mentor/mentee relationship. #eltchat |
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| MentorEvo |
12:17 PM |
@AlexandraKouk Indeed. It shouldn't be a power relationship. #eltchat |
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| Marisa_C |
12:17 PM |
RT @Teachersilvert: @Marisa_C a mentor a mirror #eltchat |
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| Shaunwilden |
12:17 PM |
@worldteacher @teflgeek @eltknowledge I guess it depends on the quality of the mentor and attitude of the mentee? #eltchat |
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| esolcourses |
12:17 PM |
@eltknowledge @louisealix68 sounds like a good system #eltchat |
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| Teachersilvert |
12:17 PM |
@Marisa_C a mentor a mirror #eltchat |
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| esolcourses |
12:17 PM |
RT @eltknowledge: @louisealix68 My old school had a permanent open door policy. We just had to put our names up for it & anyone can ... |
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| touqo |
12:18 PM |
@Marisa_C the mentor also asks many difficult questions before the "real world" does. #eltchat |
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| Teachersilvert |
12:18 PM |
@Shaunwilden it depends what you can get from the reliationship, sometimes doesn't click at all #eltchat |
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| eltknowledge |
12:18 PM |
@teflgeek True. At the end of the day, it's about what the mentor system is set up for and expectations on both ends. #eltchat |
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| esolcourses |
12:18 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: As #ELTchat progresses remember the whole topic is..... their role; best practices, pitfalls, tips #eltchat |
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| teflgeek |
12:18 PM |
@eltknowledge I've been looking for a new project... #eltchat |
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| TailormadeEng |
12:18 PM |
What about tips for people going to mentor for first time? Dos and don'ts? #eltchat |
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| Shaunwilden |
12:18 PM |
@Marisa_C @Teachersilvert A mirror? #eltchat |
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| teflgeek |
12:18 PM |
@eltknowledge also prevents frustration on both sides when the relationship doesn't provide what either side are expecting #eltchat |
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| jimscriv |
12:19 PM |
How much does going in to watch each other's classes play a role in mentoring? #eltchat |
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| AlexandraKouk |
12:19 PM |
#eltchat mentors should be good at 1. listening 2. asking Qs more than answering them |
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| teflgeek |
12:19 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @worldteacher @eltknowledge I guess it depends on the quality of the mentor and attitude of the mentee? #eltchat - Yes! |
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| chiasuan |
12:19 PM |
@TailormadeEng Don't shout or curse at the mentee! #eltchat |
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| Shaunwilden |
12:19 PM |
@Teachersilvert That's a good point esp as they're often thrown together #eltchat |
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| louisealix68 |
12:19 PM |
I think important to have fixed quiet moment each week. Even if no Q's, quiet cuppa is also useful with mentor! #eltchat |
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| TailormadeEng |
12:19 PM |
RT @touqo: @Marisa_C the mentor also asks many difficult questions before the "real world" does. #eltchat |
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| worldteacher |
12:19 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: #ELTchat - mentor a Greek work - I thought you might like to know :-D http://t.co/8hZIH73F |
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| TailormadeEng |
12:20 PM |
RT @jimscriv: How much does going in to watch each other's classes play a role in mentoring? #eltchat useful if it's focused I think |
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| Teachersilvert |
12:20 PM |
@jimscriv evaluate people's practises, compare and contrast #eltchat |
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| teflgeek |
12:20 PM |
@eltknowledge It's not what we do here, but maybe these expectations should be negotiated between participants #eltchat |
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| Shaunwilden |
12:20 PM |
RT @jimscriv: How much does going in to watch each other's classes play a role in mentoring? #eltchat |
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| Teachersilvert |
12:20 PM |
@TailormadeEng learn to listen and be patient. Don't impose your ideas make a change of plans if necessary #eltchat |
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| chiasuan |
12:20 PM |
@AlexandraKouk Yes! And that goes for teachers and trainers as well! #eltchat |
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| Lovadherentgirl |
12:20 PM |
first, don't be like a know-it-all or have an attitude, you show superiority, that's a real turn down |
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| TailormadeEng |
12:20 PM |
RT @chiasuan: @TailormadeEng Don't shout or curse at the mentee! #eltchat Not outwardly, anyway : ) |
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| GuvenCagdas |
12:21 PM |
RT @jimscriv: As a new teacher I learnt so much from generous teachers who just let me in to "absorb" and "steal" and then talk afterwar ... |
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| eltknowledge |
12:21 PM |
@lauraahaha I like that. Indeed, a mentoring atmosphere in a staffroom is so impt. Maybe more so than having a mentor. #eltchat |
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| lauraahaha |
12:21 PM |
Definitely! RT @Lovadherentgirl first, don't be like a know-it-all or have an attitude, you show superiority = a real turn down #eltchat |
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| Lovadherentgirl |
12:21 PM |
also you have to know academic background of your mentees #eltchat |
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| teflgeek |
12:21 PM |
@TailormadeEng DO have a checklist DON'T mentor according to it #eltchat |
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| jimscriv |
12:21 PM |
As a new teacher I learnt so much from generous teachers who just let me in to "absorb" and "steal" and then talk afterwards #eltchat |
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| AlexandraKouk |
12:21 PM |
@jimscriv Depends on what the ultimate goal is, me thinks #eltchat |
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| worldteacher |
12:21 PM |
RT @AlexandraKouk: #eltchat mentors should be good at 1. listening 2. asking Qs more than answering them >Agree!! |
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| esolcourses |
12:21 PM |
RT @TailormadeEng: What about tips for for first time mentors? Dos & don'ts? #eltchat ] do's: negotiate aims & goals, and have a clear focus |
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| Teachersilvert |
12:21 PM |
RT @TailormadeEng: RT @chiasuan: @TailormadeEng Dont shout or curse at the mentee! #eltchat Not outwardly, anyway : ) #eltchat |
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| eltknowledge |
12:21 PM |
Sorry guys, I'm confusing myself by participating in #eltchat with two usernames: @chiasuan & @eltknowledge I'm blaming Tweetdeck… sigh. |
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| lauraahaha |
12:21 PM |
Is it really necessary to have a mentor SYSTEM? Wouldn't it be nicer just to have a mentoring atmosphere? Open doors, T room chats… #eltchat |
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| louisealix68 |
12:21 PM |
@Lovadherentgirl Indeed. teaching = learning. So important to indicate that everyone's still learning! #eltchat |
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| AlexandraKouk |
12:22 PM |
RT @MentorEvo: @Shaunwilden @jimscriv I believe it is an essential to establishing a relationship and understanding each other's modus o ... |
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| Marisa_C |
12:22 PM |
Do also have a look at this excellent book by A Malderez http://t.co/Piqll1GA #ELTchat |
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| BobK99 |
12:22 PM |
@Marisa_C #ELTchat Weather probs -so late; catching up... |
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| louisealix68 |
12:22 PM |
RT @jimscriv: As new tchr I learnt so much from generous tchrs who just let me in 2 "absorb" & "steal" and then talk after #eltchat me too! |
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| teflgeek |
12:22 PM |
@lauraahaha that does assume everyone concerned is completely into the idea in the first place! not always the case! #eltchat |
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| OUPELTGlobal |
12:22 PM |
@lauraahaha I like this idea. seems to focus on a postive, supportive environment in the school #eltchat |
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| TailormadeEng |
12:22 PM |
@lauraahaha #eltchat Ideally but sometimes I think it needs encouraging in a more formal way. |
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| MentorEvo |
12:22 PM |
@Shaunwilden @jimscriv I believe it is an essential to establishing a relationship and understanding each other's modus operandi #eltchat |
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| jankenb2 |
12:22 PM |
@Teachersilvert @TailormadeEng Yes on this statement. Sometimes it is best just to focus on what the new teacher sees as positive #eltchat |
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| Teachersilvert |
12:22 PM |
@TailormadeEng use a grid is a precious tip #eltchat |
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| lu_bodeman |
12:23 PM |
RT @lauraahaha: @teflgeek True, but that's always the case with CPD. You'll never get EVERYone to really, passionately care :( #eltchat |
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| OUPELTGlobal |
12:23 PM |
Would a supportive teachers' room eliminate the need for a mentoring programme? Just wondering. #eltchat |
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| TailormadeEng |
12:23 PM |
RT @Teachersilvert: @TailormadeEng use a grid is a precious tip #eltchat How do you mean? |
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| Marisa_C |
12:23 PM |
RT @eltknowledge: DO: ask the mentee what they would like you to help with & any specific things to look out for. #eltchat |
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| worldteacher |
12:23 PM |
RT @jimscriv: As a new teacher I learnt so much from generous teachers who just let me in to "absorb" and "steal" and then talk afterwar ... |
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| KerrCarolyn |
12:23 PM |
#ELTChat - anyone else been influenced by Fanselow in terms of giving fact bases feedback, not opinion? |
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| eltknowledge |
12:23 PM |
DO: ask the mentee what they would like you to help with & any specific things to look out for. #eltchat |
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| lu_bodeman |
12:23 PM |
RT @TailormadeEng: RT @louisealix68: my old school had 'open door day' - if door open staff cld go watch. must then give feedback/ask q' ... |
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| AlexandraKouk |
12:23 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Do also have a look at this excellent book by A Malderez http://t.co/Piqll1GA #ELTchat |
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| lauraahaha |
12:23 PM |
@teflgeek True, but that's always the case with CPD. You'll never get EVERYone to really, passionately care :( #eltchat |
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| Teachersilvert |
12:23 PM |
@MentorEvo and sometimes refrain from criticizing although the lesson hurt your eyes :) |
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| worldteacher |
12:23 PM |
@lauraahaha Agree, but perhaps in a large dept, people would get left if there wasn't a formal mentor system? #eltchat |
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| Shaunwilden |
12:24 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal I dont think so, a mentor would provide different support #eltchat |
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| esolcourses |
12:24 PM |
RT @lauraahaha: Definitely! RT @Lovadherentgirl first, don't be like a know-it-all or have an attitude, you show superiority = a real tu ... |
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| worldteacher |
12:24 PM |
RT @Teachersilvert: and sometimes refrain from criticizing although the lesson hurt your eyes :) > Agree, but difficult to do! |
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| Marisa_C |
12:24 PM |
RT @KerrCarolyn: #ELTChat - anyone else been influenced by Fanselow in terms of giving fact bases feedback, not opinion? > yes |
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| KerrCarolyn |
12:24 PM |
#ELTChat - observing a mentee and giving them the facts of what happened in the lesson, then asking them what they think? |
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| Lovadherentgirl |
12:24 PM |
some mentees don't know how to find their own professional path and here we come to help: guiding and navigating #eltchat |
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| teflgeek |
12:24 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal no. #eltchat |
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| esolcourses |
12:24 PM |
RT @lauraahaha: Good idea. Any more do's and don'ts? RT @eltknowledge DO ask the mentee what they'd like help with&specific things t ... |
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| louisealix68 |
12:24 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal nope. We have more tan 150 staff....new tchr cld get lost! #eltchat |
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| Teachersilvert |
12:24 PM |
@eltknowledge and always start from small. Greetings and assigning homework for example #eltchat |
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| jankenb2 |
12:24 PM |
@jimscriv I learned by asking Ts what went wrong when they were first doing X Often, exp T has taught the previous grade/level/text #eltchat |
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| lauraahaha |
12:24 PM |
Good idea. Any more do's and don'ts? RT @eltknowledge DO ask the mentee what they'd like help with&specific things to look out for. #eltchat |
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| MentorEvo |
12:25 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal I think the individual attention people pay to each other is supported by a well-operating staff room, not annulled. #eltchat |
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| KerrCarolyn |
12:25 PM |
@Marisa_C #ELTChat - have you used the system for analysis? How does it work for you? |
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| Teachersilvert |
12:25 PM |
@worldteacher dipomacy, sugarcoating :) #eltchat |
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| Marisa_C |
12:25 PM |
@KerrCarolyn A good way is the "human video" type field notes - non-judgemental - the mentee decides what to keep change or chuck #ELTchat |
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| teflgeek |
12:25 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal teachers might be supportive but not knowledgable or experienced #eltchat (I speak from experience) |
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| chiasuan |
12:25 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal I think a supportive staffroom can help with CPD, but as @worldteacher said,good2have a system2turn to in large dept. #eltchat |
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| lauraahaha |
12:25 PM |
Hm. Maybe not eliminate but complement! RT @OUPELTGlobal: Would a supportive Ts' room eliminate the need for a mentoring programme? #eltchat |
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| jankenb2 |
12:25 PM |
@KerrCarolyn I don't know Fanselow but want to...Did you post a link or have some easy citation? #eltchat |
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| Teachersilvert |
12:25 PM |
@lauraahaha refrain from giving "the good" answers although you know the mentee may be wrong #eltchat |
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| jimscriv |
12:26 PM |
In mentoring the issue of Whose agenda" seems important. A trainer / DOS works on school agenda. A mentor perhaps on teacher's #eltchat |
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| eltknowledge |
12:26 PM |
@lauraahaha @teflgeek @OUPELTGlobal I could say the same abt mentors: supportive but not sufficiently qualified to mentor. #eltchat |
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| KerrCarolyn |
12:26 PM |
@jimscriv #ELTChat - yes true, where are the boundaries for you between trainer, mentor and coach? |
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| Shaunwilden |
12:26 PM |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: How is a mentor different from having a good friend at the school? #eltchat |
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| OUPELTGlobal |
12:26 PM |
How is a mentor different from having a good friend at the school? #eltchat |
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| Lovadherentgirl |
12:26 PM |
I usually start my mentoring sessions with the 'Reflective Cycle', Ts should know how to reflect and analyze #eltchat |
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| lauraahaha |
12:26 PM |
V true. Is that a prob? RT @teflgeek @OUPELTGlobal teachers might be supportive but not knowledgable/experienced #eltchat (from experience) |
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| yya2 |
12:26 PM |
The + a mentoring relationship is established by an institution, the - effective it is. Informal relationships seem to work better. #eltchat |
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| Marisa_C |
12:27 PM |
RT @jimscriv: ..A trainer / DOS works on school agenda. A mentor perhaps on teacher's #eltchat > vg point |
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| Shaunwilden |
12:27 PM |
@jimscriv Agreed, I'd say that it has to be mentee's agenda for it to be a successful venture #eltchat |
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| Notyetlanguage |
12:27 PM |
Just joined #eltchat |
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| esolcourses |
12:27 PM |
@worldteacher @lauraahaha people can get left 2 own devices in a small dept as well.. esp. if U are only teacher 4 that subject! #eltchat |
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| teflgeek |
12:27 PM |
@lauraahaha @OUPELTGlobal and we had no-one to tell us why what we were doing was working or not #eltchat |
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| jankenb2 |
12:27 PM |
#eltchat Asking/giving new Ts FB reqs skill The majority of mentor probes should focus on open-ended answers & lead to positive/neg aspects |
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| yearinthelifeof |
12:27 PM |
@eltknowledge @chiasuan A good teacher never blames their tools ;-) #eltchat |
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| lauraahaha |
12:27 PM |
Outside being a formalised system, don't think it is! RT @OUPELTGlobal How's a mentor different from having a good friend at school?#eltchat |
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| AlexandraKouk |
12:27 PM |
RT @jimscriv: In mentoring the issue of Whose agenda" seems important. A trainer / DOS works on school agenda. A mentor perhaps on teach ... |
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| teflgeek |
12:27 PM |
@lauraahaha @OUPELTGlobal well I found we knew what we wanted to achieve but it was all a bit rediscovering the wheel #eltchat |
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| Marisa_C |
12:27 PM |
@KerrCarolyn works well - in training though as tutor i do have to make a judgement - develops reflection skills in tutees/mentees #ELTchat |
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| Teachersilvert |
12:27 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal it's a friend with benefits :) #eltchat |
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| louisealix68 |
12:27 PM |
RT @jimscriv: In mentoring the issue of Whose agenda" seems important. A trainer / DOS works on school agenda. A mentor perhaps on teach ... |
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| lauraahaha |
12:28 PM |
Ooh-that depends on DOS! RT @Marisa_C RT @jimscriv A trainer / DOS works on school agenda. A mentor perhaps on teacher's #eltchat > vg point |
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| louisealix68 |
12:28 PM |
sorry - no excuse, really have to go finish prep for w'shop Friday. Was fun. Maybe back 2nite. #eltchat |
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| teflgeek |
12:28 PM |
@eltknowledge what qualifications do you need to mentor? #eltchat |
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| TailormadeEng |
12:28 PM |
@Teachersilvert: @OUPELTGlobal That brings a whole new meaning to CPD... : ) #eltchat |
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| worldteacher |
12:28 PM |
@esolcourses @lauraahaha Very true, Sue - didn't consider that! #eltchat |
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| esolcourses |
12:28 PM |
RT @chiasuan: @OUPELTGlobal A good friend is socially but not professionally obligated 2listen 2 your problems about work. Vice versa fo ... |
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| AlexandraKouk |
12:28 PM |
#eltchat Important for mentor to know when to keep silent and fade into the background |
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| esolcourses |
12:28 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @jimscriv Agreed, I'd say that it has to be mentee's agenda for it to be a successful venture #eltchat would say so too |
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| KerrCarolyn |
12:28 PM |
@jankenb2 #ELTChat - I use the book - 'Breaking Rules' - it is a real eye opener! I could be called 'Breaking Moulds' |
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| chiasuan |
12:28 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal A good friend is socially but not professionally obligated 2listen 2 your problems about work. Vice versa for mentor. #eltchat |
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| Lovadherentgirl |
12:29 PM |
@teflgeek We are not rediscovering a wheel, we just modify or fine tune what the giants of our field have already postulated #eltchat |
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| Marisa_C |
12:29 PM |
@teflgeek @eltknowledge i don't think special qualifications needed> in a school setting e.g. could be a senior teacher #ELTchat |
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| lauraahaha |
12:29 PM |
V good Q! Delta/MAs don't necessarily cover this! RT @teflgeek @eltknowledge what qualifications do you need to mentor? #eltchat |
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| jankenb2 |
12:29 PM |
@jimscriv Gr8 pt to focus on 1 skill set or 1 skill area & not throwing it all at once. I like to start w/what Ts think they need #eltchat |
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| KerrCarolyn |
12:29 PM |
#ELTChat here's Mario Rinvoluci's review of Fanselow's book http://t.co/N1z43zji |
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| OUPELTGlobal |
12:29 PM |
@chiasuan very good point #eltchat |
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| lu_bodeman |
12:29 PM |
RT @chiasuan: @OUPELTGlobal A good friend is socially but not professionally obligated 2listen 2 your problems about work. Vice versa fo ... |
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| jankenb2 |
12:30 PM |
@KerrCarolyn Thanks. I'll review soon. #eltchat a great PD for free! |
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| prese1 |
12:30 PM |
@Marisa_C I like that definition #eltchat |
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| teflgeek |
12:30 PM |
@Lovadherentgirl yes, but in that situation we had no access to the knowledge of the giants #eltchat |
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| worldteacher |
12:30 PM |
Is it important for a mentee to choose his mentor or can it work if the mentor is allocated a team of teachers? #eltchat |
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| lauraahaha |
12:30 PM |
RT @eltknowledge: @teflgeek Precisely. We put quite a lot of trust in a mentor system, but few schools spent time/money training up ment ... |
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| eltknowledge |
12:30 PM |
@teflgeek Precisely. We put quite a lot of trust in a mentor system, but few schools spent time/money training up mentors. #eltchat |
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| MentorEvo |
12:31 PM |
@worldteacher That's a question that's been bugging me for a long while. I believe in the organic development of a realtionship #eltchat |
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| jimscriv |
12:31 PM |
Just as with counselling, as soon as "judgement" of any kind gets in the way, the mentoring relationship will probably break down. #eltchat |
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| Teachersilvert |
12:31 PM |
RT @KerrCarolyn: #ELTChat heres Mario Rinvolucis review of Fanselows book http://t.co/fCGHRrLO thanks looks nice #eltchat |
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| worldteacher |
12:32 PM |
@MentorEvo Me, too, but what if it doesn't work for everyone & people needing mentors get 'left on the shelf'? :-) #eltchat |
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| KerrCarolyn |
12:32 PM |
RT @jimscriv: Just as with counselling, as soon as "judgement" of any kind gets in the way, the mentoring relationship will probably bre ... |
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| Teachersilvert |
12:32 PM |
have to go now, had a good time and learnt and felt like a mentee again, refreshing #eltchat |
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| teflgeek |
12:32 PM |
@lauraahaha @eltknowledge DELTA / MA shows an amount of teaching knowledge, which can help develop teachers but not nec. mentor #eltchat |
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| Lovadherentgirl |
12:32 PM |
@teflgeek you think? I've read so many articles on mentoring these days, all of them were written by real professionals #eltchat |
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| BobK99 |
12:32 PM |
RT @Teachersilvert: @OUPELTGlobal it's a friend with benefits :) #eltchat > Yeah, a friend with a mentoring role (w/ apols for circularity:) |
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| lauraahaha |
12:33 PM |
RT @eltknowledge: @teflgeek @lauraahaha There is yet 2 b a qualification 4 training up teacher trainers, & most is done in-house. Sa ... |
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| chiasuan |
12:33 PM |
RT @yearinthelifeof: @jimscriv mentoring has to remain a symbiotic relationship built on mutual respect, trust and recognition that both ... |
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| eltknowledge |
12:33 PM |
@teflgeek @lauraahaha There is yet 2 b a qualification 4 training up teacher trainers, & most is done in-house. Same for mentoring. #eltchat |
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| AlexandraKouk |
12:33 PM |
#eltchat Mentors need 2 have a v.clear picture of whr they stand in the learning relationship,even when menteess trying 2 define their place |
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| yearinthelifeof |
12:33 PM |
@jimscriv mentoring has to remain a symbiotic relationship built on mutual respect, trust and recognition that both sides can learn #eltchat |
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| Lovadherentgirl |
12:33 PM |
@teflgeek so, you are telling that mentors have a specific mindset? #eltchat |
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| teflgeek |
12:34 PM |
@Lovadherentgirl mindset? no. But abilities, strategies, techniques? Probably! #eltchat |
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| chiasuan |
12:34 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @eltknowledge @teflgeek @lauraahaha there are MAs and trainer training programmes available #ELTchat e.g. at Marjon's in P ... |
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| MentorEvo |
12:34 PM |
@worldteacher Well, yes that's one problems. The institutional setting makes it impossible, too. Mentoring needs a flexible school #eltchat |
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| Marisa_C |
12:34 PM |
@eltknowledge @teflgeek @lauraahaha there are MAs and trainer training programmes available #ELTchat e.g. at Marjon's in Plymouth gr8 1 |
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| jankenb2 |
12:34 PM |
@lauraahaha Confidence in content area. I feel vry qualified to demo pedagogy & assess for ex, but grammar tips-not my strength #eltchat |
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| eltknowledge |
12:34 PM |
@lauraahaha @teflgeek You sound pretty down on your MA, Laura…: ( #eltchat |
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| eltknowledge |
12:35 PM |
@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C @teflgeek A combination of both knowledge and listening/guiding skills, I guess. #eltchat |
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| Lovadherentgirl |
12:35 PM |
training is great for a mentor, qualifications will do good too, though we shouldn't forget about the mentor's personal qualities #eltchat |
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| teflgeek |
12:35 PM |
@lauraahaha @eltknowledge well, teaching knowledge and teaching practice not the same thing - hence distinction between MA & DELTA. #eltchat |
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| lauraahaha |
12:35 PM |
Sounds a lot like teaching RT @yearinthelifeof mentoring=symbiotic r'ship of mutual respect,trust&recognising both sides can learn #eltchat |
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| Shaunwilden |
12:35 PM |
@Marisa_C @teflgeek @eltknowledge a ST yes but dont they need some sort of 'skill' to be effective? Or is knowledge of sth enough? #eltchat |
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| OUPELTGlobal |
12:36 PM |
It seems a mentor would need to be a sympathetic/empathetic type person, more so than knowledgeable, no? #eltchat |
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| worldteacher |
12:36 PM |
RT @jimscriv: Core skill of mentoring: Giving full attention & listening #eltchat > Absolutely!! Make time for your mentee. |
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| lauraahaha |
12:36 PM |
But surely intertwined? RT @teflgeek @eltknowledge teaching knowledge & practice not same thing - distinction between MA & DELTA. #eltchat |
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| teflgeek |
12:36 PM |
@eltknowledge @lauraahaha I would do that course! There is the IH DOS course, but don't know much about it #eltchat |
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| chiasuan |
12:36 PM |
RT @jimscriv: Core skill of mentoring: Giving full attention & listening #eltchat >Totally! |
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| jimscriv |
12:36 PM |
Core skill of mentoring: Giving full attention & listening #eltchat |
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| JoshSRound |
12:37 PM |
Hi all, joining now (late sorry) looks an interesting topic #eltchat |
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| chiasuan |
12:37 PM |
@lauraahaha @teflgeek DELTA does tend twds practical skills but I don't think the distinction betwn DELTA & MA is that clear cut. #eltchat |
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| teflgeek |
12:37 PM |
@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C @eltknowledge maybe you need to be mentored into being a mentor #eltchat |
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| lauraahaha |
12:37 PM |
We seem to be viewing things from mentor's POV. If you are/were a mentee, what would you want/expect? #eltchat |
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| Lovadherentgirl |
12:37 PM |
@jimscriv you see, these are personal qualities #eltchat |
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| jankenb2 |
12:37 PM |
@AlexandraKouk Yes. Mentors need to value relationship over depth of knowledge on theory or phil. We don't need PhDs to mentor. #eltchat |
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| jimscriv |
12:37 PM |
If I was choosing a mentor for myself would I ask to see their certificates or pick the one I liked best and could talk to? #eltchat |
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| Shaunwilden |
12:38 PM |
RT @jimscriv: @teflgeek And who mentors the mentor's mentor? #eltchat How very watchmanesque |
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| teflgeek |
12:38 PM |
@jimscriv well presumably, they'd need some sort of ..... mentor? #eltchat |
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| ELTExperiences |
12:38 PM |
RT @chiasuan: @lauraahaha @teflgeek DELTA does tend twds practical skills but I don't think the distinction betwn DELTA & MA is that ... |
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| eltknowledge |
12:38 PM |
RT @KerrCarolyn: #ELTChat - interesting article on 'demystifying mentoring' from HBR - a business perspective but relevant to teaching? ... |
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| MentorEvo |
12:38 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal I'd go with that. Knowledge is emergent and both sides being in a position of learning makes the relationship relaxed #eltchat |
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| KerrCarolyn |
12:38 PM |
#ELTChat - interesting article on 'demystifying mentoring' from HBR - a business perspective but relevant to teaching? http://t.co/xvVngvfa |
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| teflgeek |
12:38 PM |
@lauraahaha intertwined, but not necessarily covered on every type of course! #eltchat |
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| OUPELTGlobal |
12:38 PM |
@jimscriv I would choose someone I could talk to but I guess it would depend on what you wanted from the mentoring #eltchat |
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| Shaunwilden |
12:38 PM |
RT @jimscriv: Core skill of mentoring: Giving full attention & listening #eltchat Utilizing Heron's 6 categories then |
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| chiasuan |
12:38 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @teflgeek Do read the Angi Malderez book on how to be a mentor - http://t.co/zqFw5Hu9 #ELTchat #eltchat - it's a great start |
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| Marisa_C |
12:38 PM |
@teflgeek Do read the Angi Malderez book on how to be a mentor - http://t.co/zqFw5Hu9 #ELTchat #eltchat - it's a great start |
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| JoshSRound |
12:38 PM |
RT @jimscriv: If I was choosing a mentor for myself would I ask to see their certificates or pick the one I liked best and could talk to ... |
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| jimscriv |
12:38 PM |
@teflgeek And who mentors the mentor's mentor? #eltchat |
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| jimscriv |
12:39 PM |
@Shaunwilden Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? #eltchat |
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| teflgeek |
12:39 PM |
@Shaunwilden @jimscriv do you have a secret Rorschach costume in the cupboard shaun? #eltchat |
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| lauraahaha |
12:39 PM |
Ooh yes, very important-mentor needs to be approachable! RT @OUPELTGlobal @jimscriv I would choose someone I could talk to #eltchat |
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| jimscriv |
12:39 PM |
@Shaunwilden Yes. Heron is core to any helping situation (for me). #eltchat |
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| jankenb2 |
12:39 PM |
What about PBL as mentor/mentee? Has anyone tried collaborating on PD goals w/new teacher w/genuine goal of both learning new?? ;-) #eltchat |
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| jimscriv |
12:40 PM |
@teflgeek I see myself more as Doctor Manhattan ... #eltchat |
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| jankenb2 |
12:40 PM |
@Shaunwilden @jimscriv @teflgeek Student outcomes. It takes honesty to evaluate ones own practice & mentoring demands that in full. #eltchat |
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| esolcourses |
12:40 PM |
@teflgeek @eltknowledge how much should quals matter? Qualifications on their own may not necessarily make a good mentor #eltchat |
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| Marisa_C |
12:40 PM |
@lauraahaha #eltchat so since talking as a mentee - what other qualities have you appreciated i ur mentors? #Eltchat |
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| JoshSRound |
12:41 PM |
about to pilot a mentor scheme at school, 1 senior teacher being both a mentor and mentee, be interesting to see how it works #eltchat |
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| eltknowledge |
12:41 PM |
@esolcourses @teflgeek Qualifications as pieces of paper, no. But qualifications suggest a process of training has bin experienced. #eltchat |
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| Marisa_C |
12:41 PM |
But do think that different cultures different expectations of a mentor - #eltchat - what about yours? |
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| KerrCarolyn |
12:41 PM |
#ELTChat - in a former business life I saw 'reverse' mentoring. Graduates mentored senior execs on Social Media! |
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| willycard |
12:41 PM |
latest issue of TESOL Quarterly has an interesting paper: "The Role of Mentoring in Supporting Novice English..." #eltchat |
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| teflgeek |
12:41 PM |
@chiasuan @lauraahaha agree - but most MA's don't have teaching practice and Dip is more about knowledge in practice - no? #eltchat |
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| lauraahaha |
12:41 PM |
@Marisa_C Never had a formal mentor actually (sniff)! ;) But I think generally good listener is top of my list #eltchat |
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| eltknowledge |
12:42 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal But you'd outgrow your mentor eventually, no? Unless u both swap positions every so often? #eltchat |
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| lauraahaha |
12:42 PM |
@willycard Link please! #eltchat |
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| esolcourses |
12:42 PM |
@teflgeek @eltknowledge wouldn't argue with that one. So - a CELTA or a TESOL then? ;-) #eltchat |
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| jimscriv |
12:42 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Different cultures have different expectations of a mentor - #eltchat |
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| chiasuan |
12:42 PM |
@Marisa_C That's a really interesting pt, Marisa. I think u r right there. Certain cultures might prefer a more directive mentor. #eltchat |
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| Lovadherentgirl |
12:42 PM |
@Marisa_C I've never had a mentor but always wanted to have some sort of guidance, I 'd care for 'clever or smart guidance' #eltchat |
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| OUPELTGlobal |
12:42 PM |
Is there a time limit defined for the mentor/mentee relationship? I would love to have a mentor permanently ... for life! #eltchat |
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| willycard |
12:42 PM |
it's a special issue on Professional Development of Novice Teachers #eltchat |
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| worldteacher |
12:42 PM |
@willycard Sounds good - do you have a link? #eltchat |
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| MentorEvo |
12:43 PM |
@Lovadherentgirl Victoria, so good to see you here and I love your comments. #eltchat |
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| OUPELTGlobal |
12:43 PM |
interesting point @eltknowledge #eltchat |
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| lauraahaha |
12:43 PM |
Generously! ;) RT @JoshSRound: Any thoughts on how to structure pay for mentoring? #eltchat |
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| AlexandraKouk |
12:43 PM |
Heron’s Six Categories of Intervention http://t.co/XyGDT6G6 #eltchat |
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| lu_bodeman |
12:43 PM |
RT @chiasuan: RT @jimscriv: Core skill of mentoring: Giving full attention & listening #eltchat >Totally! |
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| JoshSRound |
12:43 PM |
Any thoughts on how to structure pay for mentoring? #eltchat |
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| MentorEvo |
12:43 PM |
@JoshSRound Would be great to hear how it goes. Good luck with it. #eltchat |
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| touqo |
12:43 PM |
@jimscriv the mentor should be nice but also demanding. Pick the one you think has the knowledge and who you can talk to. #eltchat |
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| yearinthelifeof |
12:44 PM |
RT @AlexandraKouk: Heron’s Six Categories of Intervention http://t.co/XyGDT6G6 #eltchat |
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| AlexandraKouk |
12:44 PM |
#eltchat Also gender and age may play a key part in certain cultures |
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| Lovadherentgirl |
12:44 PM |
@touqo I wouldn't say 'demanding' It's up to a mentee to get your mentorship or not #eltchat |
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| teflgeek |
12:44 PM |
@Shaunwilden @jimscriv well when the world collapses around us we'll know who to blame...! #eltchat |
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| jimscriv |
12:44 PM |
@touqo Except that at the very start, I didn't want challenge. It was about survival and wondering how could get through next hour! #eltchat |
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| eltknowledge |
12:44 PM |
@esolcourses @teflgeek It depends... The mentor needs to b more qualified/more experienced/more knowledgeable, I think. #eltchat |
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| Shaunwilden |
12:44 PM |
RT @jankenb2: @esolcourses @teflgeek @eltknowledge May I differ? Mentors should have some knowledge of related sound practices, planning ... |
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| JoshSRound |
12:44 PM |
@lauraahaha of course ;-) #eltchat |
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| jankenb2 |
12:44 PM |
@esolcourses @teflgeek @eltknowledge May I differ? Mentors should have some knowledge of related sound practices, planning & assess #eltchat |
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| lauraahaha |
12:45 PM |
In terms of who can offer who fresh perspectives/experience/ideas/feedback, maybe 'peer' is better term than 'mentor'? #eltchat |
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| pjgallantry |
12:45 PM |
#ELTchat how much of a mentor's role is actually 'coaching' and how much is it, as it were, 'unplugged', Dogme-style? :) |
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| esolcourses |
12:45 PM |
@eltknowledge @teflgeek agree. For me tho, experience, good subject knowledge, attitude wld carry more weight than high level quals #eltchat |
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| teflgeek |
12:45 PM |
@jankenb2 @esolcourses @eltknowledge Absolutely - mentors should know what they're talking about, but that's not enough on it's own #eltchat |
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| lauraahaha |
12:45 PM |
I disagree. Oldies can learn a lot from newbies RT @eltknowledge mentor needs to b more qualified/experienced/ knowledgeable #eltchat |
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| eltknowledge |
12:45 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal As the star of Kungfu films might say: 'The student has now become the master….hahahaha!' #eltchat |
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| Lovadherentgirl |
12:45 PM |
@MentorEvo Thank you Tamaz for your support! It's my first time tweetchatting, yay! #eltchat |
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| Shaunwilden |
12:45 PM |
RT @KerrCarolyn: @JoshSRound #ELTCHat -hmm - in business it is not paid extra, but if u haven't demonstrated effective mentoring skills, ... |
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| jimscriv |
12:45 PM |
@Shaunwilden An arch manipulator then? #eltchat |
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| KerrCarolyn |
12:45 PM |
@JoshSRound #ELTCHat -hmm - in business it is not paid extra, but if u haven't demonstrated effective mentoring skills, u can't get promoted |
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| touqo |
12:46 PM |
@Lovadherentgirl I meant that the mentor should not be too "nice" and agree about everything with the actor/mentee. #eltchat |
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| Lovadherentgirl |
12:46 PM |
@eltknowledge is that the goal to outgrow the mentor? #eltchat |
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| prese1 |
12:46 PM |
@TailormadeEng @louisealix68 great idea! #eltchat |
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| Shaunwilden |
12:46 PM |
@jimscriv Nah just liked the costume and villains are so much more fun :-) #eltchat |
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| eltknowledge |
12:46 PM |
@esolcourses @teflgeek Indeed. It's a combination of attitude/approach, knowledge, qualifications, experience. #eltchat |
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| jankenb2 |
12:46 PM |
@AlexandraKouk Critical pedagogy and all that it has shown important in T/S relationship. My most trusted mentors were my friends #eltchat |
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| OUPELTGlobal |
12:46 PM |
RT @eltknowledge: @OUPELTGlobal As the star of Kungfu films might say: 'The student has now become the master….hahahaha!' #eltchat |
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| teflgeek |
12:46 PM |
@lauraahaha @eltknowledge oldies can learn even more by answering the questions of newbies #eltchat |
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| jankenb2 |
12:47 PM |
@lauraahaha Yes p2p mentoring or PD collaboration is wonderful b/c it mimics learning in classroom. We learn as know constructors #eltchat |
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| AlexandraKouk |
12:47 PM |
RT @jimscriv: @touqo A mentor needs to be skilful at creative supportive rug pulling! #eltchat |
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| teflgeek |
12:47 PM |
@esolcourses @jankenb2 @eltknowledge there is an assumption that experience brings wisdom and ..... #eltchat |
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| jimscriv |
12:47 PM |
@touqo A mentor needs to be skilful at creative supportive rug pulling! #eltchat |
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| Shaunwilden |
12:47 PM |
RT @Lovadherentgirl: @eltknowledge is that the goal to outgrow the mentor? #eltchat Isnt that likely to be part of the natural progression? |
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| JoshSRound |
12:47 PM |
@KerrCarolyn yes bit different in our field; cd still link it to PD goals although wd be nice to offer some incentive #eltchat |
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| esolcourses |
12:47 PM |
@jankenb2 @teflgeek @eltknowledge agree - though an experienced teacher shld have all that surely, irrespective of anything else? #eltchat |
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| KerrCarolyn |
12:47 PM |
@lauraahaha @eltknowledge #ELTChat - long as u are more experienced in the thing you're mentoring about, e.g. grads mentoring execs on FBk |
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| lauraahaha |
12:47 PM |
And/or by listening-Oldies don't always have answers. RT @teflgeek oldies can learn even more by answering the questions of newbies #eltchat |
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| OUPELTGlobal |
12:48 PM |
Definitely food for thought here. Gotta go - early meeting. #eltchat |
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| teflgeek |
12:48 PM |
@esolcourses @jankenb2 @eltknowledge but is that true? #eltchat |
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| Marisa_C |
12:48 PM |
#ELTchat also diff (higher +/-) excpectations re knowledge skill of mentor" dont expect ur mentor tobeperfect" doesnt alws work |
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| teflgeek |
12:48 PM |
@esolcourses @jankenb2 @eltknowledge ...... that by being an experienced teacher you will be suitable as a teacher trainer #eltchat |
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| lauraahaha |
12:48 PM |
Amount of experience doesn't=quality of experience RT @KerrCarolyn #ELTChat long as u r more experienced in the thing you're mentoring about |
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| KerrCarolyn |
12:48 PM |
@JoshSRound #ELTChat - I'd still worry about a financial incentive though - is that going to be the motivator. Paid hours for M yes, but $$? |
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| StanzaSL |
12:48 PM |
RT @AlexandraKouk: Heron’s Six Categories of Intervention http://t.co/XyGDT6G6 #eltchat |
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| eltknowledge |
12:48 PM |
@Lovadherentgirl I wouldn't say it's a goal per se.Goal is2develop.But if mentee develops&mentor doesn't, surely that's inevitable? #eltchat |
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| cybraryman1 |
12:48 PM |
Wed Chats Part I: #ELTchat (2) #ntchat #ptchat #2ndchat #3rdchat #educoach #1to1techat http://t.co/wDJ29M3l Please inform me of any changes |
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| esolcourses |
12:49 PM |
@jankenb2 @teflgeek @eltknowledge think it also depends on the context, i.e. whether mentor is training, or just sharing experience #eltchat |
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| lauraahaha |
12:49 PM |
Nicely said! RT @jankenb2 Not "outgrow" or top, but to gain greater role in sharing output as well as intake. Mentees are Ts too. #eltchat |
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| ELTExperiences |
12:49 PM |
I'm sorry I can't join #eltchat today. I'm helping out to insulate my parent's loft. |
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| pjgallantry |
12:49 PM |
#ELTchat As a mentor,my own role model is Obi-Wan Kenobi.Though obviously w/o the being killed by a light sabre bit by a guy with asthma. |
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| Marisa_C |
12:49 PM |
@chiasuan Also diff(higher/lower) expectations re knowledge/skill- "Don't expect your mentor to be perfect" doesn't always work #eltchat |
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| jankenb2 |
12:49 PM |
@Shaunwilden @eltknowledge Not "outgrow" or top, but to gain greater role in sharing output as well as intake. Mentees are Ts too. #eltchat |
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| PrincipalPC |
12:49 PM |
Wed Chats Part I: #ELTchat (2) #ntchat #ptchat #2ndchat #3rdchat #educoach #1to1techat http://t.co/rnAiaL0H #6050chat |
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| esolcourses |
12:49 PM |
@jankenb2 @teflgeek @eltknowledge imagine having a more experienced/knowledgeable mentor is a given. Less sure quals matter, tbh #eltchat |
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| Lovadherentgirl |
12:49 PM |
@touqo Disagree, if a mentee thinks this or that way, that's his/her opinion and we should respect that; s/he will get there #eltchat |
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| eltknowledge |
12:49 PM |
@lauraahaha I'm not saying the mentor can't learn from the mentee. There's a lot to be learnt there. But to be a mentor… #eltchat |
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| AlexandraKouk |
12:50 PM |
Have we mentioned the role of reflection in the mentoring process yet? #eltchat |
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| eltknowledge |
12:50 PM |
@esolcourses I guess I'm sayin quals coz I know some great knwledgeable/experiencd trainrs who could really benefit frm doin an MA. #eltchat |
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| jankenb2 |
12:50 PM |
@Lovadherentgirl @touqo However, a gd mentor, like a gd T will ask for validation or some form of evidence on thinking. PD is meta #eltchat |
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| prese1 |
12:50 PM |
@OUPELTGlobal one of the places I work at has a supportive teacher's room...fantastic! have a question...ask anyone #eltchat |
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| jimscriv |
12:50 PM |
RT @pjgallantry: #ELTchat As mentor,my role model is Obi-Wan Kenobi.Though obviously w/o being killed by light sabre by a guy with asthma. |
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| Lovadherentgirl |
12:50 PM |
@eltknowledge if a mentor doesn't develop or educate herself/himself, s/he is not a long-term mentor then #eltchat |
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| Marisa_C |
12:50 PM |
#ELTchat sorry losing connection in my browser |
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| eltknowledge |
12:51 PM |
@teflgeek @esolcourses @jankenb2 It seems the definition of trainer vs mentor depends on the organisation. #eltchat |
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| Shaunwilden |
12:51 PM |
RT @AlexandraKouk: Have we mentioned the role of reflection in the mentoring process yet? #eltchat 10 mins left to do so |
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| yearinthelifeof |
12:51 PM |
@jimscriv @pjgallantry Hope you got that finger wiggling thing going, though! #eltchat |
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| analuisalozano |
12:51 PM |
RT @eltknowledge: @OUPELTGlobal But you'd outgrow your mentor eventually, no? Unless u both swap positions every so often? #eltchat |
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| Shaunwilden |
12:51 PM |
RT @AlexandraKouk: Have we mentioned the role of reflection in the mentoring process yet? #eltchat |
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| chiasuan |
12:51 PM |
@Marisa_C : ) True. #eltchat |
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| Shaunwilden |
12:51 PM |
This is turning in to a bit of a geek's #eltchat with it's watchman and star wars references :-) |
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| teflgeek |
12:51 PM |
@esolcourses @jankenb2 @eltknowledge are training and mentoring the same thing? I see mentoring more as incidental development #eltchat |
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| analuisalozano |
12:51 PM |
RT @OUPELTGlobal: Is there a time limit defined for the mentor/mentee relationship? I would love to have a mentor permanently ... for li ... |
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| touqo |
12:52 PM |
@pjgallantry yest! Jedis are nice examples of mentors. They help the actors to find the answers themselves ("use the force" etc.). #eltchat |
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| analuisalozano |
12:52 PM |
RT @esolcourses: @eltknowledge @teflgeek agree. For me tho, experience, good subject knowledge, attitude wld carry more weight than high ... |
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| esolcourses |
12:52 PM |
RT @eltknowledge: @teflgeek @esolcourses @jankenb2 It seems the definition of trainer vs mentor depends on the organisation. #eltchat |
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| esolcourses |
12:52 PM |
@eltknowledge I don't doubt there are. Again, I think it depends on context, i.e. is a mentor there to provide training or support? #eltchat |
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| Shaunwilden |
12:52 PM |
RT @eltknowledge: @teflgeek @esolcourses @jankenb2 It seems the definition of trainer vs mentor depends on the organisation. #eltchat |
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| jankenb2 |
12:52 PM |
@esolcourses @teflgeek @eltknowledge Yes. Was the ? posed in passing, at coffee, in a formal meeting, prt of a mandatory training? #eltchat |
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| prese1 |
12:53 PM |
@Shaunwilden @OUPELTGlobal what's the difference between a mentor and a supportive teacher? #eltchat |
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| jankenb2 |
12:53 PM |
@teflgeek @esolcourses Mentoring is personalized & T centered. It is a time of relationship building and professional inducation. #eltchat |
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| Lovadherentgirl |
12:53 PM |
@jankenb2 you mean mentee's arguments should be proved by knowledge or practice? #eltchat |
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| AlexandraKouk |
12:53 PM |
v. important for mentor to encourage reflection on performance, progress, direction #eltchat |
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| analuisalozano |
12:53 PM |
RT @eltknowledge: @esolcourses @teflgeek Indeed. It's a combination of attitude/approach, knowledge, qualifications, experience. #eltchat |
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| eltknowledge |
12:54 PM |
@KerrCarolyn I definitely think a mentor should have the skills & knowledge to foster & encourage reflection. #eltchat |
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| yearinthelifeof |
12:54 PM |
@Shaunwilden ...anything to make me believe that there's one all-powerful mentor controlling everything #eltchat |
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| teflgeek |
12:54 PM |
@prese1 @Shaunwilden @OUPELTGlobal being paid. #eltchat by which i mean mentoring is a formal responsibility... |
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| lauraahaha |
12:54 PM |
@willycard Just found that TESOL Q article here without apparently needed to login http://t.co/UMOPfn8r #eltchat |
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| esolcourses |
12:54 PM |
@teflgeek @jankenb2 @eltknowledge that's the way I tend to look at mentoring too David, i.e. as development rather than training #eltchat |
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| Marisa_C |
12:54 PM |
I think we shouldn't create a mentor profile which only fits ppl with MA's or teacher trainers or Star Wars!!!! #ELTchat |
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| yearinthelifeof |
12:54 PM |
@Shaunwilden I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other, and I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen... #eltchat |
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| Shaunwilden |
12:54 PM |
RT @KerrCarolyn: #ELTChat - is one of a mentors task to foster reflection in the mentee? |
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| KerrCarolyn |
12:54 PM |
#ELTChat - is one of a mentors task to foster reflection in the mentee? |
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| analuisalozano |
12:54 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: #ELTchat also diff (higher +/-) excpectations re knowledge skill of mentor" dont expect ur mentor tobeperfect" doesnt alw ... |
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| Marisa_C |
12:55 PM |
RT @jimscriv: Is #eltchat a mentor ? > not really - may be a meeting place of mentors |
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| Shaunwilden |
12:55 PM |
RT @jimscriv: Is #eltchat a mentor ? I'd see it more as a support network |
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| teflgeek |
12:55 PM |
@jankenb2 @esolcourses I think that's very true in an ideal sense, but not always in practice! Other things interfere! #eltchat |
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| chiasuan |
12:55 PM |
@teflgeek @prese1 @Shaunwilden @OUPELTGlobal The mentors at my ex-school were never paid. A voluntary job. #eltchat |
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| KerrCarolyn |
12:55 PM |
RT @jimscriv: Is #eltchat a mentor ? It is for me. Most certainly encourages reflection |
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| jankenb2 |
12:55 PM |
@Lovadherentgirl No, just awareness raised 4 inconsistencies that new T may hv. For ex. if assign is great on goal but impractical. #eltchat |
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| jimscriv |
12:55 PM |
Is #eltchat a mentor ? |
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| yearinthelifeof |
12:56 PM |
@jimscriv The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of #eltchat |
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| MentorEvo |
12:56 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @jimscriv: Is #eltchat a mentor ? > not really - may be a meeting place of mentors #mentorevo #eltchat |
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| Marisa_C |
12:56 PM |
@teflgeek @jimscriv lol speak for yrself! #ELTCHAT |
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| jimscriv |
12:56 PM |
RT @teflgeek: @Marisa_C @jimscriv or possibly just a mentor asylum? #eltchat << ha ha! |
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| StanzaSL |
12:56 PM |
@eltknowledge @oupeltglobal it's the biggest achievement for a mentor whn sts outgrow them, the sooner it happens the better #eltchat |
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| jankenb2 |
12:56 PM |
@eltknowledge @KerrCarolyn and confidence to share errors. That is key, to break myth that gr8 Ts are born, they come through ex. #eltchat |
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| eltknowledge |
12:56 PM |
RT @lauraahaha: Whoops, take it back - wrong link! RT Just found that TESOL Q article here without apparently needed to login http://t.c ... |
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| worldteacher |
12:56 PM |
RT @jimscriv: Is #eltchat a mentor ? It/he/she is definitely mine!! :-) |
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| teflgeek |
12:56 PM |
@Marisa_C @jimscriv or possibly just a mentor asylum? #eltchat |
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| lauraahaha |
12:56 PM |
Whoops, take it back - wrong link! RT Just found that TESOL Q article here without apparently needed to login http://t.co/UMOPfn8r #eltchat |
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| Lovadherentgirl |
12:56 PM |
@jankenb2 agree, collaboration at its best #eltchat |
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| Marisa_C |
12:57 PM |
@yearinthelifeof @jimscriv Oh grrr stop that or I will put on my Mr Spock ears! #eltchat |
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| jimscriv |
12:57 PM |
@yearinthelifeof I should warn you that I am on the Moon as we speak, just making final adjustments ... #eltchat |
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| eltknowledge |
12:57 PM |
RT @jankenb2: @eltknowledge @KerrCarolyn and confidence to share errors. That is key, to break myth that gr8 Ts are born, they come thro ... |
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| Marisa_C |
12:58 PM |
@yearinthelifeof @teflgeek @jimscriv may the porsche be with you then #ELTchat |
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| analuisalozano |
12:58 PM |
RT @esolcourses: @teflgeek @jankenb2 @eltknowledge that's the way I tend to look at mentoring too David, i.e. as development rather tha ... |
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| SimonGreenall |
12:58 PM |
@Marisa_C Just joining in. Good grief what's going on? #eltchat |
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| Lovadherentgirl |
12:58 PM |
@jimscriv Is Jim Scrivener having fun here? #eltchat |
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| yearinthelifeof |
12:58 PM |
@teflgeek @Marisa_C @jimscriv I want to learn the ways of the Force and become a mentor like #eltchat |
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| Shaunwilden |
12:59 PM |
Anyway a minute or so left for your mentor / mentee advice, tips and comments #eltchat |
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| eltknowledge |
12:59 PM |
RT @StanzaSL: @eltknowledge @oupeltglobal it's the biggest achievement for a mentor whn sts outgrow them, the sooner it happens the bett ... |
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| worldteacher |
12:59 PM |
@SimonGreenall You've entered a parallel universe! #eltchat |
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| Shaunwilden |
12:59 PM |
@Marisa_C @jimscriv Hmm Spock versus the Imperial forces - I hear Disney are looking for story ideas...#eltchat |
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| yearinthelifeof |
12:59 PM |
@Marisa_C @jimscriv OK, I'm done with the star wars quotes ;-) #eltchat |
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| Marisa_C |
12:59 PM |
@SimonGreenall mayhem #ELTchat |
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| jimscriv |
12:59 PM |
@Lovadherentgirl I'll ask him! #eltchat |
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| Shaunwilden |
1:00 PM |
@worldteacher @Marisa_C And as we have a summary writer no need to ask for volunteers :-) #eltchat |
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| yearinthelifeof |
1:00 PM |
@SimonGreenall Zen and the art of mentoring #eltchat |
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| Marisa_C |
1:00 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: Anyway a minute or so left for your mentor / mentee advice, tips and comments #eltchat |
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| Lovadherentgirl |
1:01 PM |
yeah, now the question: is mentoring a science or an art? #eltchat |
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| worldteacher |
1:01 PM |
@Shaunwilden Not sure what I've let myself in for - it's been quite an #eltchat!! |
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| lauraahaha |
1:01 PM |
Hear, hear! Sorry I'll miss the later one :( RT @eltknowledge Thanks for another great #eltchat! Always makes Weds a day to look forward to! |
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| jankenb2 |
1:01 PM |
@Shaunwilden Mentor program in lg school could be in house. Exp Ts are assigned on rotating basis to all. Pay = release of 1 class #eltchat |
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| eltknowledge |
1:01 PM |
Thanks for another great #eltchat ! Always makes Weds a day to look forward to! |
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| Marisa_C |
1:01 PM |
So famous last words pls? #ELTchat |
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| jimscriv |
1:01 PM |
@yearinthelifeof Mentor best by not trying to mentor? #eltchat |
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| teflgeek |
1:01 PM |
mentoring - sometimes a pleasure, sometimes a chore, always useful, never a bore. #eltchat |
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| esolcourses |
1:02 PM |
RT @eltknowledge: Thanks for another great #eltchat ! Always makes Weds a day to look forward to! ] seconded! |
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| yearinthelifeof |
1:02 PM |
RT @jimscriv: @yearinthelifeof Mentor best by not trying to mentor? #eltchat |
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| MentorEvo |
1:02 PM |
Thank you ever so much, this has been a fantastic conversation. Laughed and cried in equal measure. #mentorevo #eltchat |
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| prese1 |
1:03 PM |
I was late today...always learning something at these chats. Thank you #eltchat |
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| teflgeek |
1:03 PM |
thanks for a great #eltchat - my first of 2013! See you all next time! |
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| Marisa_C |
1:03 PM |
@worldteacher @Shaunwilden lol… I want to see what u do with the parallel universe stuff ! #eltchat |
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| Shaunwilden |
1:04 PM |
Thanks for joining #eltchat that's was a lively and very interesting one - see (some of) you at 21,00 this evening |
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