| rosemerebard |
RT @Marisa_C: We are about to begin #ELTchat - talking about Demand High Teaching vs Dogme - what are the differences? #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:01:33 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
Hello everyone and welcome to #eltchat! |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:01:51 +0000 |
| Shaunwilden |
@theteacherjames Evening James #ELTchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:02:10 +0000 |
| tamaslorincz |
RT @Marisa_C: We are about to begin #ELTchat - talking about Demand High Teaching vs Dogme - what are the differences? #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:02:34 +0000 |
| baanderson |
RT @Marisa_C: Welcome all to the 12 p.m. GTM #ELTchat - for the next hr my tweets dedicated to talking about student generated content - Join us |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:02:56 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@rosemerebard #ELTchat #eltchat Hi Rose - anyone else joining us for #ELTchat ? or shall we retire early tonight? :-D |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:04:07 +0000 |
| rosemerebard |
@theteacherjames #eltchat Hi everyone! Tks James. :) |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:04:43 +0000 |
| Shaunwilden |
It seems very quiet this evening not sure if it is my tweetdeck or noone is chatting tonight #ELTchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:06:00 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@Shaunwilden #ELTchat well my tweetdeck is going ok - may be not our night |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:07:28 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@Shaunwilden My Tweetdeck is being a nightmare... #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:08:30 +0000 |
| vmorgana |
#eltchat hi everyone! In bed with flu tonight :-(... Not sure I can contribute a lot |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:08:35 +0000 |
| Shaunwilden |
@Marisa_C Well none of my columns seems to be getting many tweets #ELTchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:08:52 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@Shaunwilden i'm getting quite a few but only two friends have turned up so i think we should wait a bit #ELTchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:10:48 +0000 |
| KerrCarolyn |
@Marisa_C @Shaunwilden #ELTChat I'm here, problems connecting |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:11:33 +0000 |
| Shaunwilden |
@KerrCarolyn me too i think #ELTchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:11:50 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@KerrCarolyn #ELTChat hi there - it's still kind of quiet so we are waiting for a bit |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:12:10 +0000 |
| Noreen_Lam |
Evening all! I have no idea what Demand High is about, but I'm listening! #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:12:11 +0000 |
| dalecoulter |
#ELTchat my tweetdeck too, will stay tuned though! |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:12:39 +0000 |
| idc74 |
While it's quite, can anyone define Demand High Teaching for me in a single tweet? #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:12:43 +0000 |
| shazno |
@Shaunwilden I' here! GIven up o tweetdeck...not an east topic tonight so maybe chatters don't feel they have smthg to contribute#eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:12:44 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
So here's a quick summary of Demand High Teaching: http://t.co/HqFlG7pJ #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:13:16 +0000 |
| shazno |
@Marisa_C @Shaunwilden Evening all- a topic that needs exploring for sure but a new one for me! Lurking 2nt! #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:14:02 +0000 |
| Natashetta |
Hi #eltchat! Have been only lurking so far, will try to contribute this time |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:14:03 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
It seems to me it's about asking more from your students, pushing them further & asking them to work harder. #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:14:03 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@idc74 #eltchat In a single tweet: DHT is just probing a bit more and exploiting opportunities for deeper learning & LA (i think) |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:14:38 +0000 |
| KerrCarolyn |
@Marisa_C #ELTChat - and what is Dogme in one tweet? |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:15:10 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
The ethos behind it is that ELT has become too lightweight, too frivolous and not rigorous enough, as I understand it. #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:15:30 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@KerrCarolyn #ELTChat haha u think i can do it in one tweet? |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:15:35 +0000 |
| baanderson |
RT @theteacherjames: So here's a quick summary of Demand High Teaching: http://t.co/HqFlG7pJ #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:15:38 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
I agree, as it happens! #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:15:46 +0000 |
| Shaunwilden |
RT @Shaunwilden: @theteacherjames so do i #ELTchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:16:10 +0000 |
| KerrCarolyn |
RT @KerrCarolyn: @Marisa_C #if anyone can u can!! #ELTChat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:16:37 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@theteacherjames #eltchat I don;t actually - i think this applies to a limited no of locales and learning cultures |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:16:38 +0000 |
| Shaunwilden |
@Marisa_C such as? #ELTchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:17:19 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@KerrCarolyn #if #ELTChat i wouldn't dare with @LukeMeddings and @thornburyscott around these parts |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:17:33 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@Marisa_C @KerrCarolyn Dogme = materials light, conversation led, emergent language. Easy! #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:18:04 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@Shaunwilden #ELTchat such as summer schools and that - certainly not true where i am |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:18:16 +0000 |
| dalecoulter |
Dogme - materials light, free from course-book driven learning, focus on emergent language and conversation driven, in bried. #ELTchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:18:34 +0000 |
| KerrCarolyn |
#ELTCHat - quote from Adrian Underhill the "catastrophic blind spot" that he observed in many classrooms, that not enough was being learnt |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:18:39 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
RT @idc74: @theteacherjames I read that, but I was none the wiser at the end of it. Is it about 'breaking free?' #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:18:54 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@theteacherjames #eltchat letting it all come from the learner and exploiting opportunities for learning as they arise |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:19:08 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@KerrCarolyn #ELTCHat where were these classes i wonder |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:20:01 +0000 |
| dalecoulter |
@Marisa_C exploiting opportunities as thy arise seems to be where the 2 have something in common-utlising 'online' teaching skills #ELTchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:20:01 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@idc74 I'm not sure it's about freedom, but more to do with hard work leading to results. #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:20:25 +0000 |
| KerrCarolyn |
#ELTChat - shoot me down but I don't see that Dogme and DH are the same, rather polar opposites ;-) |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:20:43 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@dalecoulter #ELTchat it seems so - but DHT doesn't have a more general framework of beliefs or approach - cd be abt any approach |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:20:54 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@Marisa_C Dogme or demand high? #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:20:59 +0000 |
| Shaunwilden |
@Marisa_C having seen lessons on 4 continents last years albeit mainly PLSes rather than mainstream i'll stand by my agree #ELTchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:21:11 +0000 |
| muranava |
i wonder how many EAP or ESP lessons the demand high guys have observed? #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:21:15 +0000 |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
@Marisa_C @Shaunwilden Not sure what to say about the topic but will look at tweets as they arrive. #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:21:15 +0000 |
| rosemerebard |
@theteacherjames #eltchat does it also have sth to do with more than just completing exercises? Puzzled. |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:21:23 +0000 |
| KerrCarolyn |
@Marisa_C #ELTChat - DHT seems to be an enhancement of existing methods |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:21:31 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
RT @Natashetta: @theteacherjames Also too much emphasis on getting the answers right rather than on learning taking place #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:21:47 +0000 |
| ariascarm |
RT @educlick: "Ejercicios de inglés para ESO y Bachillerato" @ariascarm http://t.co/JDVjDy2t #educación #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:21:50 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
RT @KerrCarolyn: @Marisa_C #ELTChat - DHT seems to be an enhancement of existing methods > or... doing it right as i see it |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:21:53 +0000 |
| dalecoulter |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @KerrCarolyn: @Marisa_C #ELTChat - DHT seems to be an enhancement of existing methods > or... doing it right as i see it |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:22:00 +0000 |
| Natashetta |
@KerrCarolyn Took part in a seminar with Adrian Underhill and Jim Scrivener. They disagreed too. #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:22:04 +0000 |
| Shaunwilden |
@KerrCarolyn @Marisa_C i wouldnt say methods more techniques #ELTchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:22:04 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@Natashetta @rosemerebard Don't forget the #eltchat hashtag! |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:22:05 +0000 |
| SueAnnan |
Evening all#eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:22:37 +0000 |
| KerrCarolyn |
#ELTChat - I think its like the next step in Flow - its an anti plateau device - its pushing that bit harder, driving the learning forward |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:22:39 +0000 |
| shazno |
@KerrCarolyn With you..dogme - ss take the lead and DH we push ss or realise we aren't doing enough?? #eltchat.. |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:22:41 +0000 |
| dalecoulter |
#ELTchat demand high and principled eclecticism - is there much difference? |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:22:47 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@rosemerebard I think they are saying that often the exercises are done for the sake of it, without clearly useful language goals. #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:22:48 +0000 |
| idc74 |
@theteacherjames Makes sense. Breaking free of routine and automated teaching, perhaps? #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:22:53 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@dalecoulter #ELTchat doesn;t seem to be |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:23:06 +0000 |
| KerrCarolyn |
@Natashetta #ELTChat - disagreed that they are the same? |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:23:10 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
RT @muranava: i wonder how many EAP or ESP lessons the demand high guys have observed? #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:23:53 +0000 |
| Shaunwilden |
@dalecoulter I'd say not more a proper implementation of? #ELTchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:24:01 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@idc74 #eltchat if by automated teaching u mean just following a coursebook page after page - yes |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:24:06 +0000 |
| rosemerebard |
@theteacherjames @Natashetta #eltchat Sorry and thanks James. |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:24:14 +0000 |
| baanderson |
By emphasizing personalization, HDT is a critique of the 'environment-building' ethos of communicative language teaching? #ELTchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:24:28 +0000 |
| shazno |
@theteacherjames @rosemerebard Yes..se their point especially in mixed abiltiy classes..#eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:24:42 +0000 |
| toulasklavou |
Hi everyone!#eltchat :) |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:24:44 +0000 |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
@theteacherjames Have been frustrated with getting sts to do more.Sts seem to want opposite. # eltchat Anyone else with this problem? |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:24:58 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@Shaunwilden @KerrCarolyn @Marisa_C I don't see DHT as a methodology but as an approach, another similarity it has with dogme... #ELTchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:25:03 +0000 |
| idc74 |
Over-simplification perhaps, but dogme is one - of a number - of possible ways of approaching DHT? #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:25:05 +0000 |
| KerrCarolyn |
@dalecoulter #ELTchat - depends on the attitude of the Teacher. I can be principled without 'demanding high' |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:25:17 +0000 |
| Shaunwilden |
@theteacherjames I dont think it is either an approach or method #ELTchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:25:44 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: Have been frustrated with getting sts to do more.Sts seem to want opposite. Anyone else with this problem? #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:25:52 +0000 |
| baanderson |
DHT rather :) #ELTchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:25:54 +0000 |
| Natashetta |
@KerrCarolyn Yes. They say it's about demanding "a better quality" no matter what approach or method you choose. #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:25:57 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@Shaunwilden So what is it then? #ELTchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:26:04 +0000 |
| dalecoulter |
@theteacherjames @Shaunwilden a call to arms to lazy teaching? #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:26:36 +0000 |
| KerrCarolyn |
@theteacherjames @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C #ELTchat - doesn't claim to be a methodology, I think it's closest cousin is in Reflective Practice |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:26:45 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
RT @dalecoulter: @theteacherjames @Shaunwilden a call to arms to lazy teaching? #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:26:57 +0000 |
| Shaunwilden |
@theteacherjames simply good teaching #ELTchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:27:04 +0000 |
| rosemerebard |
@KerrCarolyn @theteacherjames #eltchat interesting point Carol. I got what you said James, Ts doing just for the sake of doing it. |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:27:09 +0000 |
| KerrCarolyn |
@Natashetta #ELTChat - makes so much sense |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:27:12 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
RT @Shaunwilden: @theteacherjames simply good teaching #ELTchat > I m all for that |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:27:24 +0000 |
| shazno |
@KerrCarolyn @dalecoulter Guess the idea is to forget your principles and offer more for those who can cope? #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:27:24 +0000 |
| dalecoulter |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @Shaunwilden: @theteacherjames simply good teaching #ELTchat > I m all for that - here here |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:27:41 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@MarjorieRosenbe It's not easy. Tasks have to be clearly aligned with goals with a real purpose, need to know that work is needed. #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:28:09 +0000 |
| KerrCarolyn |
@Marisa_C @Shaunwilden @theteacherjames #ELTchat - good teaching, yes, and a helpful medicine against routine? |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:28:12 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
So why did this so-called movemend gain such currency if it isn't really anything new? #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:28:23 +0000 |
| Shaunwilden |
#ELTchat i think the ? came from some of the practical work AU was doing on friday seemed to be dealing with emergent lang. |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:28:50 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@dalecoulter @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden C'mon, that's just too general & impossible to quantify! #ELTchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:28:51 +0000 |
| KerrCarolyn |
@Marisa_C #ELTChat - I think because its timely - and perhaps - dare I say it - the counterbalance to 'cosy' dogma lessons? |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:28:58 +0000 |
| rosemerebard |
@KerrCarolyn @Natashetta #eltchat It does make sense. |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:29:19 +0000 |
| Shaunwilden |
@theteacherjames No its not good teaching is easy to see #ELTchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:29:27 +0000 |
| KerrCarolyn |
Let me play devil’s advocate..: These students have not paid their time/money to come and have that debate on public transport. #ELTChat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:29:35 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@KerrCarolyn #ELTChat i dont think dogme lessons - if properly done -are cosy at all - but agree there was a flush and a relied abt no prep |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:30:01 +0000 |
| dalecoulter |
@Shaunwilden In DELTA assessment criteria the same stuff that DHT asks for is there, if I'm not mistaken? #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:30:07 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@dalecoulter #eltchat you are absolutely right - these are the criteria i use - hence my 'no novelty' comment |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:30:39 +0000 |
| KerrCarolyn |
#ELTChat - a quote from Underhill - an implicit warning about getting too carried away with focusing on the emergent topics over language? |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:30:47 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@Shaunwilden Then how come we spend so much time discussing what it is? #ELTchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:31:02 +0000 |
| Shaunwilden |
@dalecoulter actually @jimscriv used the delta criteria as an example of how teaching is unnecessarily tick box these days #ELTchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:31:40 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@theteacherjames #ELTchat possibly because a lot of teachers havent read mcuh abt diff approaches - this is another way of learning |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:31:41 +0000 |
| KerrCarolyn |
@Marisa_C #ELTChat - 'if done properly' is the operative phrase here |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:31:43 +0000 |
| Shaunwilden |
@theteacherjames I said see :-) Not all teachers are at the same point, have read the same, trained the same way etc #ELTchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:32:17 +0000 |
| dalecoulter |
@Shaunwilden @jimscriv Interesting. I can see his point especially with the proof of learning criteria. #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:32:31 +0000 |
| Noreen_Lam |
MT @Marisa_C: why did this gain such currency if it isn't really n e thing new? #eltchat>yes! Why capitals if it's principles?? |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:32:32 +0000 |
| shazno |
@Marisa_C @KerrCarolyn dogme lessons are def not cosy..takes a lot of experience to do well..DHT is more a planned option, I think#eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:32:38 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@Shaunwilden #ELTchat but that's a rather limited view of how delta lessons are evaluated |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:32:44 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
And in fact there ARE criteria which respond to DHT #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:33:46 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@Shaunwilden Genuine question: All being well, with good training & development, will all teachers end up teaching the same way? #ELTchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:33:51 +0000 |
| KerrCarolyn |
@shazno @Marisa_C #ELTChat - Not sure - can you have demand high in Dogme? I think it is possible, that's a non cosy version |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:33:55 +0000 |
| Natashetta |
@Marisa_C Maybe in many places teaching IS about students getting their msg across, even in poor language. DH is reaction to it #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:33:59 +0000 |
| Shaunwilden |
@Marisa_C maybe but I think it has a certain truth #ELTchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:34:09 +0000 |
| muranava |
@KerrCarolyn reminder of importance of content by @stiiv http://t.co/0kFDqaPP #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:34:11 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@KerrCarolyn #ELTChat of course you can! |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:34:15 +0000 |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
@Shaunwilden @theteacherjames And how do we define good teaching? Just reading evaluations & now not sure. #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:34:17 +0000 |
| Shaunwilden |
@theteacherjames god i hope not #ELTchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:34:19 +0000 |
| KerrCarolyn |
@theteacherjames @Shaunwilden "will all teachers end up teaching the same way?" I hope not - that would be a disaster for all #ELTChat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:34:25 +0000 |
| shazno |
RT @KerrCarolyn: #ELTChat - a quote from Underhill - an implicit warning about getting too carried away with focusing on the emergent topics over language? |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:34:40 +0000 |
| toulasklavou |
Sometimes there's a tendency 2 find flaws rather than looking for positive aspects & adapt them to current practices#eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:34:41 +0000 |
| pjgallantry |
#ELTchat Evening all |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:34:58 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@Shaunwilden Here's my point before we get too sidetracked (interesting though it is!): (1/2) #ELTchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:35:06 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@Natashetta quite possibly - i was just saying it;s not tru all over - i am sure they didn't just imagine those lessons :-D #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:35:29 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@Shaunwilden (2/2) Until we really understand how we learn (& we don't), we can't really know what good teaching is... #ELTchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:35:56 +0000 |
| idc74 |
Feedback (not unearned praise) and intervention seem central to Scrivener's view of DHT #eltchat http://t.co/xb28TWmh |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:36:02 +0000 |
| dalecoulter |
RT @idc74: Feedback (not unearned praise) and intervention seem central to Scrivener's view of DHT #eltchat http://t.co/xb28TWmh |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:36:12 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@Shaunwilden Even though I know what you mean by 'see it'. #ELTchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:36:18 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@theteacherjames #ELTchat u re right in some ways - teaching is observable but much of learning isn't observable |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:36:45 +0000 |
| Shaunwilden |
RT @Marisa_C: @theteacherjames #ELTchat u re right in some ways - teaching is observable but much of learning isn't observable |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:36:54 +0000 |
| KerrCarolyn |
@KerrCarolyn: @Natashetta #ELTCHat " in many places teaching IS about students getting their msg across" - yes -split the lesson into parts? |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:37:13 +0000 |
| pjgallantry |
#ELTchat don't you ever get the feeling that we're going round in a great big cycle of methodlogies and approaches? |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:38:02 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@Marisa_C Yes, I don't think we can disconnect one from the other. It'll be so interesting when we do know though! #ELTchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:38:03 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@idc74 #eltchat yes - and its a very good point - praise for any effort seems right only for very young learners |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:38:10 +0000 |
| Shaunwilden |
RT @pjgallantry: #ELTchat don't you ever get the feeling that we're going round in a great big cycle of methodlogies and approaches? |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:38:12 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@theteacherjames #ELTchat of course not, but teaching is an observable skill |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:38:47 +0000 |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
@Marisa_C @theteacherjames But progress is observable. #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:39:05 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@Marisa_C Not going to disagree with that! #ELTchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:39:08 +0000 |
| KerrCarolyn |
They have come to learn English, they don’t want me tiptoeing round a mediocre conversation.. for fear of stopping flow #ELTCHat Underhill |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:39:20 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @Marisa_C @theteacherjames But progress is observable. #eltchat > v true - over time perhaps |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:39:28 +0000 |
| tarabenwell |
RT @pjgallantry: #ELTchat don't you ever get the feeling that we're going round in a great big cycle of methodlogies and approaches? |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:39:31 +0000 |
| pjgallantry |
@Marisa_C #ELTchat absolutely right -not only can't see learning, but also we generally can't see how learners APPLY learning outside class! |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:39:31 +0000 |
| toulasklavou |
IMO DHT is as valuable as Dogme or any other approach that can enhance learning effectively#eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:39:53 +0000 |
| Shaunwilden |
RT @toulasklavou: IMO DHT is as valuable as Dogme or any other approach that can enhance learning effectively#eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:40:00 +0000 |
| dalecoulter |
@pjgallantry @Marisa_C and we can't quantify when learning takes place - it can happen months after - eurika moments. #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:40:29 +0000 |
| Shaunwilden |
@toulasklavou Yes I agree whatever enhances learning (and teaching) can only be a positive #ELTchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:40:39 +0000 |
| KerrCarolyn |
@Marisa_C @MarjorieRosenbe @theteacherjames It is observable - try videoing your class at the start and at the end of the course!! #ELTCHat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:40:45 +0000 |
| pjgallantry |
#ELTchat A couple of years back, I presented the idea of Maslovian linguistic hierarchies at the EUK conference - my idea ....(nxt tweet).. |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:41:05 +0000 |
| shazno |
@Marisa_C @theteacherjames This is the point..are we teaching what are learners need? it is not observed but intuition is there #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:41:16 +0000 |
| muranava |
weren't earlier ways like grammar translation demand high? ;) #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:41:50 +0000 |
| rosemerebard |
#eltchat "but it is a fairly drastic extreme to dump materials and syllabus and wander naked through the dogme forest." from DH website |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:42:00 +0000 |
| pjgallantry |
#ELTchat..some students feel they cannot discuss certain topics because they are 'taboo', but because these topics are about primal needs... |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:42:11 +0000 |
| KerrCarolyn |
RT @rosemerebard: #eltchat "but it is a fairly drastic extreme to dump materials and syllabus and wander naked through the dogme forest." from DH website |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:42:20 +0000 |
| dalecoulter |
@rosemerebard does anyone actually do that though? #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:42:22 +0000 |
| Imadruid |
#eltchat not sure how DHELT/Dogme ever got put in opposition? |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:42:23 +0000 |
| Shaunwilden |
@muranava in that they made a lot of demands on the student? #ELTchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:42:38 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
(1/2) My issue not with DHT, but how it presented as supposedly different to Dogme is this in the this quote: #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:42:48 +0000 |
| Shaunwilden |
@Imadruid I dont think they were #ELTchat Hello btw |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:42:57 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
RT @Imadruid: #eltchat not sure how DHELT/Dogme ever got put in opposition? > am not sure either - sb asked the q ppl voted - democary did |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:43:06 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
(2/2) "it is a fairly drastic extreme to dump materials and syllabus and wander naked through the dogme forest." #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:43:21 +0000 |
| KerrCarolyn |
@Shaunwilden @muranava #ELTChat - grammar translation had its merits, but communicative efficiency was not one of them? Depends what Ls need |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:43:27 +0000 |
| pjgallantry |
#ELTchat ...it psychologically 'blocks' them from talking about 'deeper' subjects,leading to filter probs, fossilization and acculturation. |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:43:27 +0000 |
| shazno |
@toulasklavou Exactly..enhancing learning is what it is all about.#eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:43:47 +0000 |
| tarabenwell |
Hey @tanyatrusler! #ELTChat is on. Please join us! |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:43:55 +0000 |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
@Marisa_C @theteacherjames Teaching writing in exam prep classes shows progress in short time. #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:44:04 +0000 |
| Imadruid |
#eltchat Dogme without DHELT is like Pedigree Chum without the can opener. |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:44:22 +0000 |
| Shaunwilden |
@theteacherjames who said that? #ELTchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:44:23 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@tarabenwell #ELTChat hi great to see u here |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:44:28 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@rosemerebard Great minds etc... :-) #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:44:30 +0000 |
| KerrCarolyn |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @Marisa_C @theteacherjames Teaching writing in exam prep classes shows progress in short time. #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:44:55 +0000 |
| rosemerebard |
RT @muranava: @KerrCarolyn reminder of importance of content by @stiiv http://t.co/0kFDqaPP #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:44:57 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
RT @Imadruid: #eltchat Dogme without DHELT is like Pedigree Chum without the can opener.> i think it's dogme light tht ppl got so excite abt |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:45:14 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@Shaunwilden I was sitting next to you at IATEFL when we heard it! http://t.co/HqFlG7pJ #ELTchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:45:16 +0000 |
| muranava |
@Shaunwilden yes, was thinking of the monks, will DHT/Dogme give us good beer? ;) #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:45:20 +0000 |
| Natashetta |
DH is "not anti any method. not anti-Communicative Approach. not anti-dogme. not anti-Task Based Learning." from DHelt blog #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:45:58 +0000 |
| Shaunwilden |
@KerrCarolyn But to achieve CE the sts need honest assessment of what they say etc which is what DHT would say #ELTchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:46:24 +0000 |
| rosemerebard |
@pjgallantry #eltchat Hi Paul! |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:46:24 +0000 |
| pjgallantry |
@dalecoulter @Marisa_C #ELTchat true, but often students don't appreciate that! |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:46:31 +0000 |
| Imadruid |
@Marisa_C #eltchat I never liked the idea of Dogme-lite. @thornburyscott once warned me against appearing the methodological Taliban! |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:46:39 +0000 |
| toulasklavou |
@Shaunwilden so we shuld find ways how to apply Dogme in DHT and not differentiate them#eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:46:47 +0000 |
| Shaunwilden |
@theteacherjames Like i remember that :-) #ELTchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:46:53 +0000 |
| KerrCarolyn |
#ELTCHat - throw this out there - given what my business learners pay for the courses, If I didn't demand high I'd be out of a job |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:46:58 +0000 |
| pjgallantry |
@rosemerebard Hello :) #ELTchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:47:00 +0000 |
| dalecoulter |
It's anti letting the tail wag the dog in my opinion #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:47:03 +0000 |
| Shaunwilden |
@KerrCarolyn arh yes but as was mentioned last week some sts are 'fooled' by all the fun and games #ELTchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:47:45 +0000 |
| hoprea |
#ELTChat I honestly don't see why DHT and Dogme shouldn't walk together. It makes perfect sense to me. |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:48:01 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
I admit I'm puzzled by the creators of DHT's antipathy toward Dogme, they seem very compatible to me. #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:48:05 +0000 |
| Imadruid |
#eltchat DHELT is "a meme"- I like it for unthreatening manner in which it says, 'It IS ok to teach! Engagement better than entertainment |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:48:32 +0000 |
| tarabenwell |
@tanyatrusler To join in, just use the tag #eltchat. Or just follow the tag. Summaries (amazing resource) here: http://t.co/QDGqYc4Q |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:48:34 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
But it;s true that DHT and Dogme are not in opposition #eltchat - or DHT with CLT or TBL or anything #ELtchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:48:34 +0000 |
| KerrCarolyn |
@Shaunwilden #ELTCHat - fooled in the short term? When you still can run a conf call you notice that it was a waste of time? |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:48:47 +0000 |
| louisealix68 |
have been so busy have missed the last few #eltchat - "must try harder" (said in stern 'school report' style voice!) |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:48:51 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
RT @KerrCarolyn: #ELTCHat - throw this out there - given what my business learners pay for the courses, If I didn't demand high I'd be out of a job |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:49:05 +0000 |
| MrChrisJWilson |
@theteacherjames ah but some people are very anti #dogme so why put them off by association? #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:49:06 +0000 |
| pjgallantry |
#ELTchat anyone else here work in ESOL? I'd say there's a culture in FE that militates against Demand High: instead it requires Just ENough |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:49:13 +0000 |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
So what is the difference between HD learning and learner- centered classrooms? #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:49:21 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
RT @hoprea: #ELTChat I honestly don't see why DHT and Dogme shouldn't walk together. It makes perfect sense to me. |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:49:24 +0000 |
| hoprea |
#ELTChat Aren't we blaming the tool for what the user is doing with it? Maybe the teacher is not making proper use of the "tool"... |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:49:45 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@MrChrisJWilson fair point Chris, but seems a bit petty if true. #dogme #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:49:52 +0000 |
| Imadruid |
@theteacherjames #eltchat you're nobody in this town until you've expressed abit of antipathy towards Dogme! |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:50:06 +0000 |
| KerrCarolyn |
@pjgallantry #ELTChat - is it learner driven? what they want? I ask L's how tough they want the class to be, what they're OK with |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:50:24 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@MarjorieRosenbe #eltchat ,I would say the DHT comes alive mostly in feedback or exploitation not while Ss are collaborating |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:50:36 +0000 |
| Shaunwilden |
@Imadruid @theteacherjames hurrah i'm not a nobody #ELTchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:50:36 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@Imadruid That explains my relenting anonymity... #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:50:36 +0000 |
| hoprea |
@Imadruid @theteacherjames Sadly, this seems to be the norm... #ELTChat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:50:41 +0000 |
| CsillaBenn |
#eltchat http://t.co/bVPLbfVz |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:50:42 +0000 |
| tanyatrusler |
@tarabenwell Sounds good. Thanks for helping out the noobie. #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:50:49 +0000 |
| hoprea |
@Imadruid @theteacherjames I'd honestly never thought of them as opposed to one another. #ELTChat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:51:07 +0000 |
| Shaunwilden |
RT @Marisa_C: @MarjorieRosenbe #eltchat ,I would say the DHT comes alive mostly in feedback or exploitation not while Ss are collaborating |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:51:09 +0000 |
| pjgallantry |
@MarjorieRosenbe #ELTchat Learner-centred or Learner-lead? I'm just asking because we had CPD on this subject in college today :) |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:51:13 +0000 |
| MrChrisJWilson |
#eltchat can a lesson be #Dogme and not #DHElt ..yup. can it be #DHElt and not #Dogme...yup am I missing something??? |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:51:36 +0000 |
| Imadruid |
@Shaunwilden @theteacherjames #eltchat Shaun, you are a methodological Black Ops commando! |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:51:53 +0000 |
| Shaunwilden |
RT @MrChrisJWilson: #eltchat can a lesson be #Dogme and not #DHElt ..yup. can it be #DHElt and not #Dogme...yup am I missing something??? |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:52:36 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@pjgallantry @MarjorieRosenbe #ELTchat #eltchat frm what i ve heard in JS;s talks I would say DHT teacher-led |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:52:40 +0000 |
| Imadruid |
@Marisa_C @marjorierosenbe #eltchat actually, my take is that DHELTA means interrupting the Ss collaboration to make it more worthwhile |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:52:42 +0000 |
| rosemerebard |
@dalecoulter #eltchat that is what they seem to be reacting to me. The quote put a perspective that coursebook is not the problem,but how.. |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:52:52 +0000 |
| KerrCarolyn |
@MrChrisJWilson #ELTChat - liking your Cartesian logic there Chris! |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:53:05 +0000 |
| pjgallantry |
@KerrCarolyn #ELTchat FE is driven by need for results (=funding), and damn the rest. It's not really bothered about methodologies. |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:53:12 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@Imadruid #eltchat that's perfectly acceptable and indeed desirable in a process focused classroom |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:53:21 +0000 |
| Imadruid |
@MarjorieRosenbe #eltchat I think @jimscriv would say that DHELT is more learnING centred than learnER centred? |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:53:28 +0000 |
| Shaunwilden |
RT @Imadruid: @MarjorieRosenbe #eltchat I think @jimscriv would say that DHELT is more learnING centred than learnER centred? |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:53:39 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
RT @Imadruid: @MarjorieRosenbe #eltchat I think @jimscriv would say that DHELT is more learnING centred than learnER centred? > god 1 |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:53:44 +0000 |
| rosemerebard |
@dalecoulter #eltchat how we use coursebook. from what I read, they are in favor of it, just there is more to it - DH is explanatory 2 me |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:54:29 +0000 |
| pjgallantry |
@Marisa_C @MarjorieRosenbe #ELTchat agree - seems to run that risk - then again, a bad Dogme lesson also ends up as Teacher Blah Time :) |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:54:58 +0000 |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
@Imadruid @jimscriv thanks. Good explanation. #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:55:07 +0000 |
| KerrCarolyn |
@Marisa_C @Imadruid @MarjorieRosenbe #ELTCHat - hmm, I think its more like turning a group lesson into 121, with a focus on each individual |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:55:09 +0000 |
| BrianDowd |
RT @hoprea: #ELTChat Aren't we blaming the tool for what the user is doing with it? Maybe the teacher is not making proper use of the "tool"... |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:55:30 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@KerrCarolyn #ELTCHat in some ways yes - prcess focused teaching is about that |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:55:47 +0000 |
| shazno |
@pjgallantry Agree..so many approaches appearing - at the end of the day you know what your ss need..and deliver appropriatley! #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:55:47 +0000 |
| Natashetta |
@Imadruid DHELT is more learnING centred than learnER centred> well said! #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:55:52 +0000 |
| tarabenwell |
@tanyatrusler It can be a bit overwhelming when you come in at the end of an #eltchat. :) But, you'll find great people to follow! |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:55:56 +0000 |
| JenKeenanAT |
RT @hoprea: #ELTChat Aren't we blaming the tool for what the user is doing with it? Maybe the teacher is not making proper use of the "tool"... |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:56:09 +0000 |
| Shaunwilden |
@KerrCarolyn @Marisa_C @Imadruid @MarjorieRosenbe Yes i must admit when listening to them last week a few of us thought that #ELTchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:56:09 +0000 |
| dalecoulter |
So do we need to re-think our ideas of teacher cented and learner centred if now we are talking about learning centred? #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:56:24 +0000 |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
@MarjorieRosenbe @Imadruid @jimscriv Another question Can we separate learning from the learner? #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:56:28 +0000 |
| TheSecretDoS |
#eltchat as a struggling DOS, DHelt is useful framework to help me with constructive criticism of struggling teachers. great management tool |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:56:41 +0000 |
| dalecoulter |
RT @KerrCarolyn: @Marisa_C @Imadruid @MarjorieRosenbe #ELTCHat - hmm, I think its more like turning a group lesson into 121, with a focus on each individual |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:56:49 +0000 |
| Shaunwilden |
RT @dalecoulter: So do we need to re-think our ideas of teacher cented and learner centred if now we are talking about learning centred? #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:57:00 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@dalecoulter Good question - but i don't see a conflict there actually - both are possible #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:57:04 +0000 |
| pjgallantry |
#ELTchat regarding Blended Learning, which technique do you think is better: BL with flipped model and DHT, or BL with Dogme? |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:57:09 +0000 |
| Imadruid |
@MarjorieRosenbe @jimscriv #eltchat absolutely! Oft-times the learner is present, but there is no learning! |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:57:27 +0000 |
| toulasklavou |
Isn't eclecticism the answer here?'one-size-fits-all'methods is what we shuld avoid, not experiment#eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:57:28 +0000 |
| KerrCarolyn |
#ELTCHat @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C @Imadruid @MarjorieRosenbe - makes so much sense - "group learning" is a funny concept to me |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:57:36 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
Seems that DHT has a lot of overlap with critical thinking too. Surely the most demand high type of activity? #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:57:36 +0000 |
| MrChrisJWilson |
#eltchat labels are very useful, they help us focus on aspects or elements of a larger picture. But does it matter if there is overlap? |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:57:39 +0000 |
| Shaunwilden |
@pjgallantry Doesnt that depend on which the sts would prefer? #ELTchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:57:54 +0000 |
| dalecoulter |
RT @TheSecretDoS: #eltchat as a struggling … I agree #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:58:05 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@tarabenwell @tanyatrusler The moderators are here to give you a hand if you need us, just drop me a line! #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:58:15 +0000 |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
@KerrCarolyn @Marisa_C @Imadruid This sounds luke an article I just wrote on learning styles. #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:58:28 +0000 |
| MrChrisJWilson |
@toulasklavou I think #dogme might argue that it is the ultimate eclecticism #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:58:30 +0000 |
| KerrCarolyn |
RT @Imadruid: @MarjorieRosenbe @jimscriv #eltchat absolutely! Oft-times the learner is present, but there is no learning! ^my biggest fear! |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:58:37 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
Two minutes before the end, i thought this was a grand chat - we thought no one was coming & look at this great coversation #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:59:05 +0000 |
| KerrCarolyn |
RT @MrChrisJWilson: @toulasklavou I think #dogme might argue that it is the ultimate eclecticism #eltchat - would struggle to agree there |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:59:15 +0000 |
| Imadruid |
@KerrCarolyn @shaunwilden @marisa_c @marjorierosenbe #eltchat . A detached look thoru classroom door makes whole enterprise look very weird. |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:59:18 +0000 |
| Shaunwilden |
RT @KerrCarolyn: RT @MrChrisJWilson: @toulasklavou I think #dogme might argue that it is the ultimate eclecticism #eltchat - would struggle to agree there |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:59:21 +0000 |
| pjgallantry |
@Shaunwilden #ELTchat but also if they're capable of independent learning and have access to IT - some of my ss aren't and don't! |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:59:53 +0000 |
| Shaunwilden |
@Marisa_C Yes a good meaty discussion in the end #ELTchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:00:06 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@Marisa_C Agreed, it went from nothing to everything! #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:00:12 +0000 |
| KerrCarolyn |
@MarjorieRosenbe @Marisa_C @Imadruid #ELTCHat - is the article online or in print? do you have a link? |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:00:24 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@pjgallantry #ELTchat many ts having these issues at this time of change |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:00:26 +0000 |
| MrChrisJWilson |
First #eltchat I could make in ages and I catch about 5 mins :( |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:00:27 +0000 |
| shazno |
@MarjorieRosenbe @Imadruid @jimscriv We are humans who are suppose to be in touch with our what are learners need to learn..#eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:00:36 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@MarjorieRosenbe yes pls share #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:00:40 +0000 |
| dalecoulter |
first chat in a long time and so glad I could make it #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:00:45 +0000 |
| Shaunwilden |
@MrChrisJWilson so you couldnt actually make it then :-) #ELTchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:00:47 +0000 |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
And I thought I had no idea what this was and got alot out of this. Thanks all and good night. #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:00:53 +0000 |
| Shaunwilden |
@pjgallantry then doesnt preclude both? #ELTchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:01:05 +0000 |
| Imadruid |
@MrChrisJWilson @toulasklavou Screw eclecticism! Seriously, Dogme = learner centred/DHELT=Learning centred? #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:01:24 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
Great to have you all here @KerrCarolyn has offered to do the summary (pre-bookings are accepted as of now) :-) #ELTCHat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:01:44 +0000 |
| muranava |
a lot to think about as usual folks, ta! #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:01:55 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
@dalecoulter Glad to see you here Dale! #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:01:58 +0000 |
| Marisa_C |
@MarjorieRosenbe your article #eltchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:02:07 +0000 |
| pjgallantry |
@Marisa_C #ELTchat true - sometimes, I just want to go back to the old techniques of pen, paper and electric cattle prod :) |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:02:12 +0000 |
| Shaunwilden |
@Marisa_C @KerrCarolyn Yes much kudos for pre-booking the summary :-) #ELTchat |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:02:25 +0000 |
| theteacherjames |
Thanks for coming to #eltchat everyone, we always demand high and you always deliver! |
Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:02:59 +0000 |
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