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Demand High Teaching vs Dogme

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rosemerebard RT @Marisa_C: We are about to begin #ELTchat - talking about Demand High Teaching vs Dogme - what are the differences? #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:01:33 +0000
theteacherjames Hello everyone and welcome to #eltchat! Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:01:51 +0000
Shaunwilden @theteacherjames Evening James #ELTchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:02:10 +0000
tamaslorincz RT @Marisa_C: We are about to begin #ELTchat - talking about Demand High Teaching vs Dogme - what are the differences? #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:02:34 +0000
baanderson RT @Marisa_C: Welcome all to the 12 p.m. GTM #ELTchat - for the next hr my tweets dedicated to talking about student generated content - Join us Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:02:56 +0000
Marisa_C @rosemerebard #ELTchat #eltchat Hi Rose - anyone else joining us for #ELTchat ? or shall we retire early tonight? :-D Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:04:07 +0000
rosemerebard @theteacherjames #eltchat Hi everyone! Tks James. :) Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:04:43 +0000
Shaunwilden It seems very quiet this evening not sure if it is my tweetdeck or noone is chatting tonight #ELTchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:06:00 +0000
Marisa_C @Shaunwilden #ELTchat well my tweetdeck is going ok - may be not our night Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:07:28 +0000
theteacherjames @Shaunwilden My Tweetdeck is being a nightmare... #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:08:30 +0000
vmorgana #eltchat hi everyone! In bed with flu tonight :-(... Not sure I can contribute a lot Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:08:35 +0000
Shaunwilden @Marisa_C Well none of my columns seems to be getting many tweets #ELTchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:08:52 +0000
Marisa_C @Shaunwilden i'm getting quite a few but only two friends have turned up so i think we should wait a bit #ELTchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:10:48 +0000
KerrCarolyn @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden #ELTChat I'm here, problems connecting Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:11:33 +0000
Shaunwilden @KerrCarolyn me too i think #ELTchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:11:50 +0000
Marisa_C @KerrCarolyn #ELTChat hi there - it's still kind of quiet so we are waiting for a bit Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:12:10 +0000
Noreen_Lam Evening all! I have no idea what Demand High is about, but I'm listening! #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:12:11 +0000
dalecoulter #ELTchat my tweetdeck too, will stay tuned though! Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:12:39 +0000
idc74 While it's quite, can anyone define Demand High Teaching for me in a single tweet? #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:12:43 +0000
shazno @Shaunwilden I' here! GIven up o tweetdeck...not an east topic tonight so maybe chatters don't feel they have smthg to contribute#eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:12:44 +0000
theteacherjames So here's a quick summary of Demand High Teaching: http://t.co/HqFlG7pJ #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:13:16 +0000
shazno @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden Evening all- a topic that needs exploring for sure but a new one for me! Lurking 2nt! #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:14:02 +0000
Natashetta Hi #eltchat! Have been only lurking so far, will try to contribute this time Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:14:03 +0000
theteacherjames It seems to me it's about asking more from your students, pushing them further & asking them to work harder. #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:14:03 +0000
Marisa_C @idc74 #eltchat In a single tweet: DHT is just probing a bit more and exploiting opportunities for deeper learning & LA (i think) Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:14:38 +0000
KerrCarolyn @Marisa_C #ELTChat - and what is Dogme in one tweet? Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:15:10 +0000
theteacherjames The ethos behind it is that ELT has become too lightweight, too frivolous and not rigorous enough, as I understand it. #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:15:30 +0000
Marisa_C @KerrCarolyn #ELTChat haha u think i can do it in one tweet? Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:15:35 +0000
baanderson RT @theteacherjames: So here's a quick summary of Demand High Teaching: http://t.co/HqFlG7pJ #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:15:38 +0000
theteacherjames I agree, as it happens! #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:15:46 +0000
Shaunwilden RT @Shaunwilden: @theteacherjames so do i #ELTchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:16:10 +0000
KerrCarolyn RT @KerrCarolyn: @Marisa_C #if anyone can u can!! #ELTChat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:16:37 +0000
Marisa_C @theteacherjames #eltchat I don;t actually - i think this applies to a limited no of locales and learning cultures Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:16:38 +0000
Shaunwilden @Marisa_C such as? #ELTchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:17:19 +0000
Marisa_C @KerrCarolyn #if #ELTChat i wouldn't dare with @LukeMeddings and @thornburyscott around these parts Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:17:33 +0000
theteacherjames @Marisa_C @KerrCarolyn Dogme = materials light, conversation led, emergent language. Easy! #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:18:04 +0000
Marisa_C @Shaunwilden #ELTchat such as summer schools and that - certainly not true where i am Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:18:16 +0000
dalecoulter Dogme - materials light, free from course-book driven learning, focus on emergent language and conversation driven, in bried. #ELTchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:18:34 +0000
KerrCarolyn #ELTCHat - quote from Adrian Underhill the "catastrophic blind spot" that he observed in many classrooms, that not enough was being learnt Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:18:39 +0000
theteacherjames RT @idc74: @theteacherjames I read that, but I was none the wiser at the end of it. Is it about 'breaking free?' #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:18:54 +0000
Marisa_C @theteacherjames #eltchat letting it all come from the learner and exploiting opportunities for learning as they arise Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:19:08 +0000
Marisa_C @KerrCarolyn #ELTCHat where were these classes i wonder Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:20:01 +0000
dalecoulter @Marisa_C exploiting opportunities as thy arise seems to be where the 2 have something in common-utlising 'online' teaching skills #ELTchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:20:01 +0000
theteacherjames @idc74 I'm not sure it's about freedom, but more to do with hard work leading to results. #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:20:25 +0000
KerrCarolyn #ELTChat - shoot me down but I don't see that Dogme and DH are the same, rather polar opposites ;-) Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:20:43 +0000
Marisa_C @dalecoulter #ELTchat it seems so - but DHT doesn't have a more general framework of beliefs or approach - cd be abt any approach Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:20:54 +0000
theteacherjames @Marisa_C Dogme or demand high? #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:20:59 +0000
Shaunwilden @Marisa_C having seen lessons on 4 continents last years albeit mainly PLSes rather than mainstream i'll stand by my agree #ELTchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:21:11 +0000
muranava i wonder how many EAP or ESP lessons the demand high guys have observed? #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:21:15 +0000
MarjorieRosenbe @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden Not sure what to say about the topic but will look at tweets as they arrive. #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:21:15 +0000
rosemerebard @theteacherjames #eltchat does it also have sth to do with more than just completing exercises? Puzzled. Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:21:23 +0000
KerrCarolyn @Marisa_C #ELTChat - DHT seems to be an enhancement of existing methods Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:21:31 +0000
theteacherjames RT @Natashetta: @theteacherjames Also too much emphasis on getting the answers right rather than on learning taking place #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:21:47 +0000
ariascarm RT @educlick: "Ejercicios de inglés para ESO y Bachillerato" @ariascarm http://t.co/JDVjDy2t #educación #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:21:50 +0000
Marisa_C RT @KerrCarolyn: @Marisa_C #ELTChat - DHT seems to be an enhancement of existing methods > or... doing it right as i see it Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:21:53 +0000
dalecoulter RT @Marisa_C: RT @KerrCarolyn: @Marisa_C #ELTChat - DHT seems to be an enhancement of existing methods > or... doing it right as i see it Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:22:00 +0000
Natashetta @KerrCarolyn Took part in a seminar with Adrian Underhill and Jim Scrivener. They disagreed too. #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:22:04 +0000
Shaunwilden @KerrCarolyn @Marisa_C i wouldnt say methods more techniques #ELTchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:22:04 +0000
theteacherjames @Natashetta @rosemerebard Don't forget the #eltchat hashtag! Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:22:05 +0000
SueAnnan Evening all#eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:22:37 +0000
KerrCarolyn #ELTChat - I think its like the next step in Flow - its an anti plateau device - its pushing that bit harder, driving the learning forward Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:22:39 +0000
shazno @KerrCarolyn With you..dogme - ss take the lead and DH we push ss or realise we aren't doing enough?? #eltchat.. Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:22:41 +0000
dalecoulter #ELTchat demand high and principled eclecticism - is there much difference? Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:22:47 +0000
theteacherjames @rosemerebard I think they are saying that often the exercises are done for the sake of it, without clearly useful language goals. #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:22:48 +0000
idc74 @theteacherjames Makes sense. Breaking free of routine and automated teaching, perhaps? #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:22:53 +0000
Marisa_C @dalecoulter #ELTchat doesn;t seem to be Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:23:06 +0000
KerrCarolyn @Natashetta #ELTChat - disagreed that they are the same? Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:23:10 +0000
theteacherjames RT @muranava: i wonder how many EAP or ESP lessons the demand high guys have observed? #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:23:53 +0000
Shaunwilden @dalecoulter I'd say not more a proper implementation of? #ELTchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:24:01 +0000
Marisa_C @idc74 #eltchat if by automated teaching u mean just following a coursebook page after page - yes Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:24:06 +0000
rosemerebard @theteacherjames @Natashetta #eltchat Sorry and thanks James. Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:24:14 +0000
baanderson By emphasizing personalization, HDT is a critique of the 'environment-building' ethos of communicative language teaching? #ELTchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:24:28 +0000
shazno @theteacherjames @rosemerebard Yes..se their point especially in mixed abiltiy classes..#eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:24:42 +0000
toulasklavou Hi everyone!#eltchat :) Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:24:44 +0000
MarjorieRosenbe @theteacherjames Have been frustrated with getting sts to do more.Sts seem to want opposite. # eltchat Anyone else with this problem? Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:24:58 +0000
theteacherjames @Shaunwilden @KerrCarolyn @Marisa_C I don't see DHT as a methodology but as an approach, another similarity it has with dogme... #ELTchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:25:03 +0000
idc74 Over-simplification perhaps, but dogme is one - of a number - of possible ways of approaching DHT? #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:25:05 +0000
KerrCarolyn @dalecoulter #ELTchat - depends on the attitude of the Teacher. I can be principled without 'demanding high' Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:25:17 +0000
Shaunwilden @theteacherjames I dont think it is either an approach or method #ELTchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:25:44 +0000
theteacherjames RT @MarjorieRosenbe: Have been frustrated with getting sts to do more.Sts seem to want opposite. Anyone else with this problem? #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:25:52 +0000
baanderson DHT rather :) #ELTchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:25:54 +0000
Natashetta @KerrCarolyn Yes. They say it's about demanding "a better quality" no matter what approach or method you choose. #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:25:57 +0000
theteacherjames @Shaunwilden So what is it then? #ELTchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:26:04 +0000
dalecoulter @theteacherjames @Shaunwilden a call to arms to lazy teaching? #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:26:36 +0000
KerrCarolyn @theteacherjames @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C #ELTchat - doesn't claim to be a methodology, I think it's closest cousin is in Reflective Practice Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:26:45 +0000
Marisa_C RT @dalecoulter: @theteacherjames @Shaunwilden a call to arms to lazy teaching? #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:26:57 +0000
Shaunwilden @theteacherjames simply good teaching #ELTchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:27:04 +0000
rosemerebard @KerrCarolyn @theteacherjames #eltchat interesting point Carol. I got what you said James, Ts doing just for the sake of doing it. Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:27:09 +0000
KerrCarolyn @Natashetta #ELTChat - makes so much sense Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:27:12 +0000
Marisa_C RT @Shaunwilden: @theteacherjames simply good teaching #ELTchat > I m all for that Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:27:24 +0000
shazno @KerrCarolyn @dalecoulter Guess the idea is to forget your principles and offer more for those who can cope? #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:27:24 +0000
dalecoulter RT @Marisa_C: RT @Shaunwilden: @theteacherjames simply good teaching #ELTchat > I m all for that - here here Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:27:41 +0000
theteacherjames @MarjorieRosenbe It's not easy. Tasks have to be clearly aligned with goals with a real purpose, need to know that work is needed. #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:28:09 +0000
KerrCarolyn @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden @theteacherjames #ELTchat - good teaching, yes, and a helpful medicine against routine? Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:28:12 +0000
Marisa_C So why did this so-called movemend gain such currency if it isn't really anything new? #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:28:23 +0000
Shaunwilden #ELTchat i think the ? came from some of the practical work AU was doing on friday seemed to be dealing with emergent lang. Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:28:50 +0000
theteacherjames @dalecoulter @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden C'mon, that's just too general & impossible to quantify! #ELTchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:28:51 +0000
KerrCarolyn @Marisa_C #ELTChat - I think because its timely - and perhaps - dare I say it - the counterbalance to 'cosy' dogma lessons? Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:28:58 +0000
rosemerebard @KerrCarolyn @Natashetta #eltchat It does make sense. Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:29:19 +0000
Shaunwilden @theteacherjames No its not good teaching is easy to see #ELTchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:29:27 +0000
KerrCarolyn Let me play devil’s advocate..: These students have not paid their time/money to come and have that debate on public transport. #ELTChat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:29:35 +0000
Marisa_C @KerrCarolyn #ELTChat i dont think dogme lessons - if properly done -are cosy at all - but agree there was a flush and a relied abt no prep Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:30:01 +0000
dalecoulter @Shaunwilden In DELTA assessment criteria the same stuff that DHT asks for is there, if I'm not mistaken? #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:30:07 +0000
Marisa_C @dalecoulter #eltchat you are absolutely right - these are the criteria i use - hence my 'no novelty' comment Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:30:39 +0000
KerrCarolyn #ELTChat - a quote from Underhill - an implicit warning about getting too carried away with focusing on the emergent topics over language? Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:30:47 +0000
theteacherjames @Shaunwilden Then how come we spend so much time discussing what it is? #ELTchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:31:02 +0000
Shaunwilden @dalecoulter actually @jimscriv used the delta criteria as an example of how teaching is unnecessarily tick box these days #ELTchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:31:40 +0000
Marisa_C @theteacherjames #ELTchat possibly because a lot of teachers havent read mcuh abt diff approaches - this is another way of learning Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:31:41 +0000
KerrCarolyn @Marisa_C #ELTChat - 'if done properly' is the operative phrase here Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:31:43 +0000
Shaunwilden @theteacherjames I said see :-) Not all teachers are at the same point, have read the same, trained the same way etc #ELTchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:32:17 +0000
dalecoulter @Shaunwilden @jimscriv Interesting. I can see his point especially with the proof of learning criteria. #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:32:31 +0000
Noreen_Lam MT @Marisa_C: why did this gain such currency if it isn't really n e thing new? #eltchat>yes! Why capitals if it's principles?? Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:32:32 +0000
shazno @Marisa_C @KerrCarolyn dogme lessons are def not cosy..takes a lot of experience to do well..DHT is more a planned option, I think#eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:32:38 +0000
Marisa_C @Shaunwilden #ELTchat but that's a rather limited view of how delta lessons are evaluated Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:32:44 +0000
Marisa_C And in fact there ARE criteria which respond to DHT #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:33:46 +0000
theteacherjames @Shaunwilden Genuine question: All being well, with good training & development, will all teachers end up teaching the same way? #ELTchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:33:51 +0000
KerrCarolyn @shazno @Marisa_C #ELTChat - Not sure - can you have demand high in Dogme? I think it is possible, that's a non cosy version Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:33:55 +0000
Natashetta @Marisa_C Maybe in many places teaching IS about students getting their msg across, even in poor language. DH is reaction to it #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:33:59 +0000
Shaunwilden @Marisa_C maybe but I think it has a certain truth #ELTchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:34:09 +0000
muranava @KerrCarolyn reminder of importance of content by @stiiv http://t.co/0kFDqaPP #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:34:11 +0000
Marisa_C @KerrCarolyn #ELTChat of course you can! Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:34:15 +0000
MarjorieRosenbe @Shaunwilden @theteacherjames And how do we define good teaching? Just reading evaluations & now not sure. #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:34:17 +0000
Shaunwilden @theteacherjames god i hope not #ELTchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:34:19 +0000
KerrCarolyn @theteacherjames @Shaunwilden "will all teachers end up teaching the same way?" I hope not - that would be a disaster for all #ELTChat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:34:25 +0000
shazno RT @KerrCarolyn: #ELTChat - a quote from Underhill - an implicit warning about getting too carried away with focusing on the emergent topics over language? Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:34:40 +0000
toulasklavou Sometimes there's a tendency 2 find flaws rather than looking for positive aspects & adapt them to current practices#eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:34:41 +0000
pjgallantry #ELTchat Evening all Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:34:58 +0000
theteacherjames @Shaunwilden Here's my point before we get too sidetracked (interesting though it is!): (1/2) #ELTchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:35:06 +0000
Marisa_C @Natashetta quite possibly - i was just saying it;s not tru all over - i am sure they didn't just imagine those lessons :-D #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:35:29 +0000
theteacherjames @Shaunwilden (2/2) Until we really understand how we learn (& we don't), we can't really know what good teaching is... #ELTchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:35:56 +0000
idc74 Feedback (not unearned praise) and intervention seem central to Scrivener's view of DHT #eltchat http://t.co/xb28TWmh Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:36:02 +0000
dalecoulter RT @idc74: Feedback (not unearned praise) and intervention seem central to Scrivener's view of DHT #eltchat http://t.co/xb28TWmh Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:36:12 +0000
theteacherjames @Shaunwilden Even though I know what you mean by 'see it'. #ELTchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:36:18 +0000
Marisa_C @theteacherjames #ELTchat u re right in some ways - teaching is observable but much of learning isn't observable Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:36:45 +0000
Shaunwilden RT @Marisa_C: @theteacherjames #ELTchat u re right in some ways - teaching is observable but much of learning isn't observable Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:36:54 +0000
KerrCarolyn @KerrCarolyn: @Natashetta #ELTCHat " in many places teaching IS about students getting their msg across" - yes -split the lesson into parts? Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:37:13 +0000
pjgallantry #ELTchat don't you ever get the feeling that we're going round in a great big cycle of methodlogies and approaches? Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:38:02 +0000
theteacherjames @Marisa_C Yes, I don't think we can disconnect one from the other. It'll be so interesting when we do know though! #ELTchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:38:03 +0000
Marisa_C @idc74 #eltchat yes - and its a very good point - praise for any effort seems right only for very young learners Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:38:10 +0000
Shaunwilden RT @pjgallantry: #ELTchat don't you ever get the feeling that we're going round in a great big cycle of methodlogies and approaches? Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:38:12 +0000
Marisa_C @theteacherjames #ELTchat of course not, but teaching is an observable skill Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:38:47 +0000
MarjorieRosenbe @Marisa_C @theteacherjames But progress is observable. #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:39:05 +0000
theteacherjames @Marisa_C Not going to disagree with that! #ELTchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:39:08 +0000
KerrCarolyn They have come to learn English, they don’t want me tiptoeing round a mediocre conversation.. for fear of stopping flow #ELTCHat Underhill Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:39:20 +0000
Marisa_C RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @Marisa_C @theteacherjames But progress is observable. #eltchat > v true - over time perhaps Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:39:28 +0000
tarabenwell RT @pjgallantry: #ELTchat don't you ever get the feeling that we're going round in a great big cycle of methodlogies and approaches? Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:39:31 +0000
pjgallantry @Marisa_C #ELTchat absolutely right -not only can't see learning, but also we generally can't see how learners APPLY learning outside class! Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:39:31 +0000
toulasklavou IMO DHT is as valuable as Dogme or any other approach that can enhance learning effectively#eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:39:53 +0000
Shaunwilden RT @toulasklavou: IMO DHT is as valuable as Dogme or any other approach that can enhance learning effectively#eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:40:00 +0000
dalecoulter @pjgallantry @Marisa_C and we can't quantify when learning takes place - it can happen months after - eurika moments. #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:40:29 +0000
Shaunwilden @toulasklavou Yes I agree whatever enhances learning (and teaching) can only be a positive #ELTchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:40:39 +0000
KerrCarolyn @Marisa_C @MarjorieRosenbe @theteacherjames It is observable - try videoing your class at the start and at the end of the course!! #ELTCHat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:40:45 +0000
pjgallantry #ELTchat A couple of years back, I presented the idea of Maslovian linguistic hierarchies at the EUK conference - my idea ....(nxt tweet).. Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:41:05 +0000
shazno @Marisa_C @theteacherjames This is the point..are we teaching what are learners need? it is not observed but intuition is there #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:41:16 +0000
muranava weren't earlier ways like grammar translation demand high? ;) #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:41:50 +0000
rosemerebard #eltchat "but it is a fairly drastic extreme to dump materials and syllabus and wander naked through the dogme forest." from DH website Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:42:00 +0000
pjgallantry #ELTchat..some students feel they cannot discuss certain topics because they are 'taboo', but because these topics are about primal needs... Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:42:11 +0000
KerrCarolyn RT @rosemerebard: #eltchat "but it is a fairly drastic extreme to dump materials and syllabus and wander naked through the dogme forest." from DH website Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:42:20 +0000
dalecoulter @rosemerebard does anyone actually do that though? #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:42:22 +0000
Imadruid #eltchat not sure how DHELT/Dogme ever got put in opposition? Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:42:23 +0000
Shaunwilden @muranava in that they made a lot of demands on the student? #ELTchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:42:38 +0000
theteacherjames (1/2) My issue not with DHT, but how it presented as supposedly different to Dogme is this in the this quote: #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:42:48 +0000
Shaunwilden @Imadruid I dont think they were #ELTchat Hello btw Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:42:57 +0000
Marisa_C RT @Imadruid: #eltchat not sure how DHELT/Dogme ever got put in opposition? > am not sure either - sb asked the q ppl voted - democary did Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:43:06 +0000
theteacherjames (2/2) "it is a fairly drastic extreme to dump materials and syllabus and wander naked through the dogme forest." #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:43:21 +0000
KerrCarolyn @Shaunwilden @muranava #ELTChat - grammar translation had its merits, but communicative efficiency was not one of them? Depends what Ls need Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:43:27 +0000
pjgallantry #ELTchat ...it psychologically 'blocks' them from talking about 'deeper' subjects,leading to filter probs, fossilization and acculturation. Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:43:27 +0000
shazno @toulasklavou Exactly..enhancing learning is what it is all about.#eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:43:47 +0000
tarabenwell Hey @tanyatrusler! #ELTChat is on. Please join us! Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:43:55 +0000
MarjorieRosenbe @Marisa_C @theteacherjames Teaching writing in exam prep classes shows progress in short time. #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:44:04 +0000
Imadruid #eltchat Dogme without DHELT is like Pedigree Chum without the can opener. Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:44:22 +0000
Shaunwilden @theteacherjames who said that? #ELTchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:44:23 +0000
Marisa_C @tarabenwell #ELTChat hi great to see u here Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:44:28 +0000
theteacherjames @rosemerebard Great minds etc... :-) #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:44:30 +0000
KerrCarolyn RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @Marisa_C @theteacherjames Teaching writing in exam prep classes shows progress in short time. #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:44:55 +0000
rosemerebard RT @muranava: @KerrCarolyn reminder of importance of content by @stiiv http://t.co/0kFDqaPP #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:44:57 +0000
Marisa_C RT @Imadruid: #eltchat Dogme without DHELT is like Pedigree Chum without the can opener.> i think it's dogme light tht ppl got so excite abt Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:45:14 +0000
theteacherjames @Shaunwilden I was sitting next to you at IATEFL when we heard it! http://t.co/HqFlG7pJ #ELTchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:45:16 +0000
muranava @Shaunwilden yes, was thinking of the monks, will DHT/Dogme give us good beer? ;) #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:45:20 +0000
Natashetta DH is "not anti any method. not anti-Communicative Approach. not anti-dogme. not anti-Task Based Learning." from DHelt blog #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:45:58 +0000
Shaunwilden @KerrCarolyn But to achieve CE the sts need honest assessment of what they say etc which is what DHT would say #ELTchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:46:24 +0000
rosemerebard @pjgallantry #eltchat Hi Paul! Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:46:24 +0000
pjgallantry @dalecoulter @Marisa_C #ELTchat true, but often students don't appreciate that! Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:46:31 +0000
Imadruid @Marisa_C #eltchat I never liked the idea of Dogme-lite. @thornburyscott once warned me against appearing the methodological Taliban! Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:46:39 +0000
toulasklavou @Shaunwilden so we shuld find ways how to apply Dogme in DHT and not differentiate them#eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:46:47 +0000
Shaunwilden @theteacherjames Like i remember that :-) #ELTchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:46:53 +0000
KerrCarolyn #ELTCHat - throw this out there - given what my business learners pay for the courses, If I didn't demand high I'd be out of a job Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:46:58 +0000
pjgallantry @rosemerebard Hello :) #ELTchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:47:00 +0000
dalecoulter It's anti letting the tail wag the dog in my opinion #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:47:03 +0000
Shaunwilden @KerrCarolyn arh yes but as was mentioned last week some sts are 'fooled' by all the fun and games #ELTchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:47:45 +0000
hoprea #ELTChat I honestly don't see why DHT and Dogme shouldn't walk together. It makes perfect sense to me. Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:48:01 +0000
theteacherjames I admit I'm puzzled by the creators of DHT's antipathy toward Dogme, they seem very compatible to me. #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:48:05 +0000
Imadruid #eltchat DHELT is "a meme"- I like it for unthreatening manner in which it says, 'It IS ok to teach! Engagement better than entertainment Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:48:32 +0000
tarabenwell @tanyatrusler To join in, just use the tag #eltchat. Or just follow the tag. Summaries (amazing resource) here: http://t.co/QDGqYc4Q Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:48:34 +0000
Marisa_C But it;s true that DHT and Dogme are not in opposition #eltchat - or DHT with CLT or TBL or anything #ELtchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:48:34 +0000
KerrCarolyn @Shaunwilden #ELTCHat - fooled in the short term? When you still can run a conf call you notice that it was a waste of time? Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:48:47 +0000
louisealix68 have been so busy have missed the last few #eltchat - "must try harder" (said in stern 'school report' style voice!) Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:48:51 +0000
theteacherjames RT @KerrCarolyn: #ELTCHat - throw this out there - given what my business learners pay for the courses, If I didn't demand high I'd be out of a job Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:49:05 +0000
MrChrisJWilson @theteacherjames ah but some people are very anti #dogme so why put them off by association? #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:49:06 +0000
pjgallantry #ELTchat anyone else here work in ESOL? I'd say there's a culture in FE that militates against Demand High: instead it requires Just ENough Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:49:13 +0000
MarjorieRosenbe So what is the difference between HD learning and learner- centered classrooms? #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:49:21 +0000
theteacherjames RT @hoprea: #ELTChat I honestly don't see why DHT and Dogme shouldn't walk together. It makes perfect sense to me. Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:49:24 +0000
hoprea #ELTChat Aren't we blaming the tool for what the user is doing with it? Maybe the teacher is not making proper use of the "tool"... Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:49:45 +0000
theteacherjames @MrChrisJWilson fair point Chris, but seems a bit petty if true. #dogme #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:49:52 +0000
Imadruid @theteacherjames #eltchat you're nobody in this town until you've expressed abit of antipathy towards Dogme! Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:50:06 +0000
KerrCarolyn @pjgallantry #ELTChat - is it learner driven? what they want? I ask L's how tough they want the class to be, what they're OK with Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:50:24 +0000
Marisa_C @MarjorieRosenbe #eltchat ,I would say the DHT comes alive mostly in feedback or exploitation not while Ss are collaborating Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:50:36 +0000
Shaunwilden @Imadruid @theteacherjames hurrah i'm not a nobody #ELTchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:50:36 +0000
theteacherjames @Imadruid That explains my relenting anonymity... #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:50:36 +0000
hoprea @Imadruid @theteacherjames Sadly, this seems to be the norm... #ELTChat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:50:41 +0000
CsillaBenn #eltchat http://t.co/bVPLbfVz Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:50:42 +0000
tanyatrusler @tarabenwell Sounds good. Thanks for helping out the noobie. #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:50:49 +0000
hoprea @Imadruid @theteacherjames I'd honestly never thought of them as opposed to one another. #ELTChat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:51:07 +0000
Shaunwilden RT @Marisa_C: @MarjorieRosenbe #eltchat ,I would say the DHT comes alive mostly in feedback or exploitation not while Ss are collaborating Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:51:09 +0000
pjgallantry @MarjorieRosenbe #ELTchat Learner-centred or Learner-lead? I'm just asking because we had CPD on this subject in college today :) Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:51:13 +0000
MrChrisJWilson #eltchat can a lesson be #Dogme and not #DHElt ..yup. can it be #DHElt and not #Dogme...yup am I missing something??? Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:51:36 +0000
Imadruid @Shaunwilden @theteacherjames #eltchat Shaun, you are a methodological Black Ops commando! Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:51:53 +0000
Shaunwilden RT @MrChrisJWilson: #eltchat can a lesson be #Dogme and not #DHElt ..yup. can it be #DHElt and not #Dogme...yup am I missing something??? Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:52:36 +0000
Marisa_C @pjgallantry @MarjorieRosenbe #ELTchat #eltchat frm what i ve heard in JS;s talks I would say DHT teacher-led Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:52:40 +0000
Imadruid @Marisa_C @marjorierosenbe #eltchat actually, my take is that DHELTA means interrupting the Ss collaboration to make it more worthwhile Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:52:42 +0000
rosemerebard @dalecoulter #eltchat that is what they seem to be reacting to me. The quote put a perspective that coursebook is not the problem,but how.. Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:52:52 +0000
KerrCarolyn @MrChrisJWilson #ELTChat - liking your Cartesian logic there Chris! Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:53:05 +0000
pjgallantry @KerrCarolyn #ELTchat FE is driven by need for results (=funding), and damn the rest. It's not really bothered about methodologies. Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:53:12 +0000
Marisa_C @Imadruid #eltchat that's perfectly acceptable and indeed desirable in a process focused classroom Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:53:21 +0000
Imadruid @MarjorieRosenbe #eltchat I think @jimscriv would say that DHELT is more learnING centred than learnER centred? Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:53:28 +0000
Shaunwilden RT @Imadruid: @MarjorieRosenbe #eltchat I think @jimscriv would say that DHELT is more learnING centred than learnER centred? Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:53:39 +0000
Marisa_C RT @Imadruid: @MarjorieRosenbe #eltchat I think @jimscriv would say that DHELT is more learnING centred than learnER centred? > god 1 Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:53:44 +0000
rosemerebard @dalecoulter #eltchat how we use coursebook. from what I read, they are in favor of it, just there is more to it - DH is explanatory 2 me Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:54:29 +0000
pjgallantry @Marisa_C @MarjorieRosenbe #ELTchat agree - seems to run that risk - then again, a bad Dogme lesson also ends up as Teacher Blah Time :) Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:54:58 +0000
MarjorieRosenbe @Imadruid @jimscriv thanks. Good explanation. #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:55:07 +0000
KerrCarolyn @Marisa_C @Imadruid @MarjorieRosenbe #ELTCHat - hmm, I think its more like turning a group lesson into 121, with a focus on each individual Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:55:09 +0000
BrianDowd RT @hoprea: #ELTChat Aren't we blaming the tool for what the user is doing with it? Maybe the teacher is not making proper use of the "tool"... Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:55:30 +0000
Marisa_C @KerrCarolyn #ELTCHat in some ways yes - prcess focused teaching is about that Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:55:47 +0000
shazno @pjgallantry Agree..so many approaches appearing - at the end of the day you know what your ss need..and deliver appropriatley! #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:55:47 +0000
Natashetta @Imadruid DHELT is more learnING centred than learnER centred> well said! #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:55:52 +0000
tarabenwell @tanyatrusler It can be a bit overwhelming when you come in at the end of an #eltchat. :) But, you'll find great people to follow! Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:55:56 +0000
JenKeenanAT RT @hoprea: #ELTChat Aren't we blaming the tool for what the user is doing with it? Maybe the teacher is not making proper use of the "tool"... Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:56:09 +0000
Shaunwilden @KerrCarolyn @Marisa_C @Imadruid @MarjorieRosenbe Yes i must admit when listening to them last week a few of us thought that #ELTchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:56:09 +0000
dalecoulter So do we need to re-think our ideas of teacher cented and learner centred if now we are talking about learning centred? #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:56:24 +0000
MarjorieRosenbe @MarjorieRosenbe @Imadruid @jimscriv Another question Can we separate learning from the learner? #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:56:28 +0000
TheSecretDoS #eltchat as a struggling DOS, DHelt is useful framework to help me with constructive criticism of struggling teachers. great management tool Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:56:41 +0000
dalecoulter RT @KerrCarolyn: @Marisa_C @Imadruid @MarjorieRosenbe #ELTCHat - hmm, I think its more like turning a group lesson into 121, with a focus on each individual Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:56:49 +0000
Shaunwilden RT @dalecoulter: So do we need to re-think our ideas of teacher cented and learner centred if now we are talking about learning centred? #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:57:00 +0000
Marisa_C @dalecoulter Good question - but i don't see a conflict there actually - both are possible #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:57:04 +0000
pjgallantry #ELTchat regarding Blended Learning, which technique do you think is better: BL with flipped model and DHT, or BL with Dogme? Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:57:09 +0000
Imadruid @MarjorieRosenbe @jimscriv #eltchat absolutely! Oft-times the learner is present, but there is no learning! Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:57:27 +0000
toulasklavou Isn't eclecticism the answer here?'one-size-fits-all'methods is what we shuld avoid, not experiment#eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:57:28 +0000
KerrCarolyn #ELTCHat @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C @Imadruid @MarjorieRosenbe - makes so much sense - "group learning" is a funny concept to me Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:57:36 +0000
theteacherjames Seems that DHT has a lot of overlap with critical thinking too. Surely the most demand high type of activity? #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:57:36 +0000
MrChrisJWilson #eltchat labels are very useful, they help us focus on aspects or elements of a larger picture. But does it matter if there is overlap? Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:57:39 +0000
Shaunwilden @pjgallantry Doesnt that depend on which the sts would prefer? #ELTchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:57:54 +0000
dalecoulter RT @TheSecretDoS: #eltchat as a struggling … I agree #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:58:05 +0000
theteacherjames @tarabenwell @tanyatrusler The moderators are here to give you a hand if you need us, just drop me a line! #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:58:15 +0000
MarjorieRosenbe @KerrCarolyn @Marisa_C @Imadruid This sounds luke an article I just wrote on learning styles. #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:58:28 +0000
MrChrisJWilson @toulasklavou I think #dogme might argue that it is the ultimate eclecticism #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:58:30 +0000
KerrCarolyn RT @Imadruid: @MarjorieRosenbe @jimscriv #eltchat absolutely! Oft-times the learner is present, but there is no learning! ^my biggest fear! Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:58:37 +0000
Marisa_C Two minutes before the end, i thought this was a grand chat - we thought no one was coming & look at this great coversation #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:59:05 +0000
KerrCarolyn RT @MrChrisJWilson: @toulasklavou I think #dogme might argue that it is the ultimate eclecticism #eltchat - would struggle to agree there Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:59:15 +0000
Imadruid @KerrCarolyn @shaunwilden @marisa_c @marjorierosenbe #eltchat . A detached look thoru classroom door makes whole enterprise look very weird. Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:59:18 +0000
Shaunwilden RT @KerrCarolyn: RT @MrChrisJWilson: @toulasklavou I think #dogme might argue that it is the ultimate eclecticism #eltchat - would struggle to agree there Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:59:21 +0000
pjgallantry @Shaunwilden #ELTchat but also if they're capable of independent learning and have access to IT - some of my ss aren't and don't! Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:59:53 +0000
Shaunwilden @Marisa_C Yes a good meaty discussion in the end #ELTchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:00:06 +0000
theteacherjames @Marisa_C Agreed, it went from nothing to everything! #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:00:12 +0000
KerrCarolyn @MarjorieRosenbe @Marisa_C @Imadruid #ELTCHat - is the article online or in print? do you have a link? Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:00:24 +0000
Marisa_C @pjgallantry #ELTchat many ts having these issues at this time of change Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:00:26 +0000
MrChrisJWilson First #eltchat I could make in ages and I catch about 5 mins :( Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:00:27 +0000
shazno @MarjorieRosenbe @Imadruid @jimscriv We are humans who are suppose to be in touch with our what are learners need to learn..#eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:00:36 +0000
Marisa_C @MarjorieRosenbe yes pls share #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:00:40 +0000
dalecoulter first chat in a long time and so glad I could make it #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:00:45 +0000
Shaunwilden @MrChrisJWilson so you couldnt actually make it then :-) #ELTchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:00:47 +0000
MarjorieRosenbe And I thought I had no idea what this was and got alot out of this. Thanks all and good night. #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:00:53 +0000
Shaunwilden @pjgallantry then doesnt preclude both? #ELTchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:01:05 +0000
Imadruid @MrChrisJWilson @toulasklavou Screw eclecticism! Seriously, Dogme = learner centred/DHELT=Learning centred? #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:01:24 +0000
Marisa_C Great to have you all here @KerrCarolyn has offered to do the summary (pre-bookings are accepted as of now) :-) #ELTCHat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:01:44 +0000
muranava a lot to think about as usual folks, ta! #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:01:55 +0000
theteacherjames @dalecoulter Glad to see you here Dale! #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:01:58 +0000
Marisa_C @MarjorieRosenbe your article #eltchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:02:07 +0000
pjgallantry @Marisa_C #ELTchat true - sometimes, I just want to go back to the old techniques of pen, paper and electric cattle prod :) Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:02:12 +0000
Shaunwilden @Marisa_C @KerrCarolyn Yes much kudos for pre-booking the summary :-) #ELTchat Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:02:25 +0000
theteacherjames Thanks for coming to #eltchat everyone, we always demand high and you always deliver! Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:02:59 +0000
     

 

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