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Gamification a useful innovation for language learning or just a fad

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This is the transcript of eltchat on the topic of Gamification a useful innovation for language learning or just a fad.

 

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Shaunwilden 9:00 PM The topic is  Gamification ‚Äì a useful innovation for language learning or just a fad? #eltchat
Wiktor_K 9:01 PM @teacherthom "to gamify" = to make more like a game, just as "to beautify" = to make more beautiful. Just an idea :D #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:01 PM RT @DaveDodgson: Gamification - the application of elements of games (esp. video games) to other walks of life, like the classroom #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:01 PM Hi here is a definition of sort from wikipedia http://t.co/kV0GdCcu on gamification #ELTchat Hi everyon!
DaveDodgson 9:01 PM Gamification - the application of elements of games (esp. video games) to other walks of life, like the classroom #ELTchat
SophiaMav 9:01 PM Evening all :) #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:01 PM I think we're going to need the term clarified #eltchat
DaveDodgson 9:01 PM @Shaunwilden Yes, let's :) #ELTchat
naomishema 9:01 PM Hi! I'm ignorant too! #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:02 PM i guess in keeping with the topic we should have a reward systems for contributions to tonight's #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:02 PM Have invited @grahamstanley to shed some light on this :-) #ELTchat and hope he'll be here soon
cioccas 9:02 PM Updating on Hootsuite on my iPad is very slow, might be the wifi I'm using, so not sure I'll be able to fully participate in #ELTchat today
teacherthom 9:02 PM @teacherphili there's going to need to be some expert handling tonght as I'm still scrathing my head on this one! #eltchat
naomishema 9:03 PM Games don't mean rewards! as a special ed teacher we do a lot of less competitive playing! #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:03 PM @Marisa_C  :-) Very true #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:03 PM @Shaunwilden  #eltchat  Well, we have some great bloggers' badges for whoever does the summary sooooo?
DaveDodgson 9:03 PM RT @Wiktor_K: @teacherthom "to gamify" = to make more like a game, just as "to beautify" = to make more beautiful. Just an idea :D #eltchat
teacherphili 9:03 PM RT @Marisa_C: Have invited @grahamstanley to shed some light on this :-) #ELTchat - I was going to say that's who we need round these parts
Marisa_C 9:03 PM RT @Shaunwilden: i guess in keeping with the topic we should have a reward systems for contributions to tonight's #eltchat :-D
Shaunwilden 9:04 PM @DaveDodgson @grahamstanley well so much for trying to be humorous #eltchat
eannegrenoble 9:04 PM RT @Marisa_C: Hi here is a definition of sort from wikipedia http://t.co/1Q1VaPnR on gamification #ELTchat Hi everyone :-)
Marisa_C 9:04 PM @Wiktor_K is this one yours then?  #eltchat
DaveDodgson 9:04 PM @Marisa_C @shaunwilden How about XP for each tweet and RT? ;) #ELTchat
teacherthom 9:04 PM @Marisa_C @Shaunwilden and badges! #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:04 PM So is it all about just gaming or about the rewards as well? #eltchat
cioccas 9:04 PM @Marisa_C Wikipedia article mentions reward points and badges - not my cup of tea so that part seems fad-ish to me :-) #ELTchat
Wiktor_K 9:04 PM @Marisa_C Don't make me have to fight someone for that one again. :D #eltchat
teacherthom 9:04 PM @Wiktor_K got that, but internet refs seem to talk a lot about the subject in relation to tech, so how does it relate to teaching? #eltchat
DaveDodgson 9:04 PM @Shaunwilden @grahamstanley did highlight in a recent post that gamificaiton goes beyond just 'rewards' #ELTchat
cioccas 9:05 PM @Wiktor_K @Marisa_C Sounds like you have a summary writer for this #ELTchat already :-)
Wiktor_K 9:05 PM @teacherthom Video games are an obvious 1st choice...but even playing hangman in class = gamification in ELT. "Game" is key. #eltchat
DaveDodgson 9:06 PM @Shaunwilden I opted for the latter :p #ELTchat
naomishema 9:06 PM If gamification refers to using games in class then it certainly isn't a passing fad! #eltchat
DaveDodgson 9:06 PM @Shaunwilden Not enough space in the 140 to acknowledge the joke AND make an early  point ;) #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:06 PM But we all love playing games  or go to these websites no? e.g. Fours Square #eltchat one of my trainees stole my mayrship to my school! :-(
DaveDodgson 9:07 PM @naomishema Think about having levels, lives, goals, aims etc - all part of the gamified classroom #ELTchat
DaveDodgson 9:07 PM @naomishema I'd say its more than just using games though #ELTchat
cioccas 9:07 PM RT @naomishema: If gamification refers to using games in class then it certainly isn't a passing fad! #eltchat
teacherthom 9:07 PM @Wiktor_K so putting a game on an interactive whiteboard and playing it with a class counts as gamification? #eltchat
kierandonaghy 9:08 PM RT @Shaunwilden: The topic is  Gamification ‚Äì a useful innovation for language learning or just a fad? #eltchat
teacherphili 9:08 PM @grahamstanley yeah! know anything about it? ELTchat
kierandonaghy 9:08 PM RT @DaveDodgson: Gamification - the application of elements of games (esp. video games) to other walks of life, like the classroom #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:08 PM @grahamstanley  i think we need your wisdon on  #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:08 PM RT @grahamstanley: just heard tonight's #ELTchat is about #gamification hey welcome!!!!
Wiktor_K 9:08 PM Summer school 2010 -600students divided/ 4 teams over 4 wks - like Hogwarts houses. Points all around. Result: learnt like mad. #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:08 PM Here they are offering a whole course on this http://t.co/hy8Se9OT #eltchat
grahamstanley 9:08 PM just heard tonight's #ELTchat is about #gamification
Shaunwilden 9:08 PM RT @DaveDodgson: @naomishema Think about having levels, lives, goals, aims etc - all part of the gamified classroom #ELTchat
eannegrenoble 9:08 PM @teacherthom playing a game in class? with no tech #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:09 PM Jane McGonigal aka @avantgame is the gamification guru. Watch her TED talks here: http://t.co/Vgzq90gq #eltchat
SophiaMav 9:09 PM RT @Marisa_C: @grahamstanley  #ELTchat #gamification we were hoping you would come to shed some light on this - is it a fad? #ELTchat
Wiktor_K 9:09 PM RT @Marisa_C: Here they are offering a whole course on this http://t.co/qoPcu2go - ooh, coursera. Lovely! #eltchat
teacherthom 9:09 PM @Wiktor_K sounds fun! #eltchat
eannegrenoble 9:09 PM @grahamstanley  we were up to definition of Gaming - in  140 charaters :-)#ELTchat #gamification
Marisa_C 9:09 PM @grahamstanley  #ELTchat #gamification we were hoping you would come to shed some light on this - is it a fad?
grahamstanley 9:10 PM @eannegrenoble  #ELTchat #gamification is the use of game design thinking in non-game contexts - is that the definition you had?
teacherthom 9:10 PM @DaveDodgson @naomishema ok so to run with that for a sec, aren't we looking at a massive increase in prep time 2 make it work? #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:10 PM RT @theteacherjames: Jane McGonigal aka @avantgame gamification guru. TED talks  http://t.co/SMVs28lb #eltchat > a must see  #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:10 PM is it just the logical next step of in terms of using tools at our disposal? #eltchat
haniehak 9:10 PM @teacherthom @wiktor_k Even Learning Eng Ipad n mobile apps can be some examples of it. #eltchat Not just apps, even simple games like Bingo
grahamstanley 9:10 PM @teacherphili a little - am very interested in it @Marisa_C a fad? It could be - time will tell  #ELTchat #gamification
teacherthom 9:11 PM @DaveDodgson @naomishema ...which isn't to say it's bad but certainly something we'd struggle with to do every lesson #eltchat
naomishema 9:11 PM RT @theteacherjames: I think gamification isn't about playing games in class, but using the mechanics of game play to change how we teac ...
Marisa_C 9:11 PM Here is an interesting article on how ts got Ss to build own games as prt of this http://t.co/6ss9GT0m #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:11 PM I think gamification isn't about playing games in class, but using the mechanics of game play to change how we teach. #eltchat
naomishema 9:11 PM RT @teacherthom: @DaveDodgson @naomishema ok so to run with that for a sec, aren't we looking at a massive increase in prep time 2 make  ...
cerirhiannon 9:12 PM #eltchat is it also turning learning into a game ie using game design to structure learning experiences?
Marisa_C 9:12 PM RT @theteacherjames: "gamification isnt about playing games in class, but using the mechanics of game play to change how we teach." #eltchat
naomishema 9:12 PM @DaveDodgson thanks for clearing that up! #ELTchat
DaveDodgson 9:12 PM @teacherthom @naomishema A mindset, we could say... #ELTchat
Wiktor_K 9:12 PM @theteacherjames: "gamification isnt about playing games in class, but using the mechanics of game play to change how we teach." #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:12 PM I mean board games - like., prehistoric... :-D #ELTchat
DaveDodgson 9:12 PM @teacherthom @naomishema I wouldn't say so. It's just a way to approach things - doesn't have to include lots of prep #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:12 PM So when I got my Ss to make their own games, was i engaging them in gamification? #ELTchat - or not?
Shaunwilden 9:13 PM @DaveDodgson @theteacherjames  to change how we teach? really? #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:13 PM I really like the idea of using 'lives', 'bonuses', 'power-ups' & 'rewards' with my classes. Not sure how but I like it! #eltchat
teacherthom 9:13 PM @DaveDodgson @naomishema interesting! I could go with that, I think! #eltchat
vmorgana 9:13 PM Here is an article about What teachers really think about game-based learning. http://t.co/Ht4hk6mh #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:13 PM RT @cerirhiannon: #eltchat is it also turning learning into a game ie using game design to structure learning experiences? > If so I;m a fan
DaveDodgson 9:13 PM RT @theteacherjames: I think it isn't about playing games in class, but using the mechanics of game play to change how we teach. #eltchat
grahamstanley 9:14 PM #ELTchat  #gamification has lots of pitfalls - it's not just about PBL (points, badges, levels) see Paul Driver in http://t.co/tRcpdruO
theteacherjames 9:14 PM @Shaunwilden @DaveDodgson Maybe, why not? the most interesting influences come from the most unlikely places. #eltchat
DaveDodgson 9:14 PM Lİke anything, there is great potential for misapplicaiton e.g. simply renaming units as 'levels' or just focusing on rewards #ELTchat
Wiktor_K 9:14 PM Wikipedia for "game": you need rules, challenge & interaction. All this already in a good ELT lesson - just make it more explicit? #eltchat
DaveDodgson 9:15 PM @theteacherjames @shaunwilden think about it - when you start to play a game, you fail a lot and slowly figure it out... #ELTchat
theteacherjames 9:15 PM @Shaunwilden @DaveDodgson And games are very effective in terms of motivation, ownership & engagement. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:15 PM @theteacherjames I think it is a bold claim to sya change the way we teach #eltchat
haniehak 9:15 PM @theteacherjames Guess it's altering games to engage ss n meet the aim of the lesson, motivating for sure! #eltchat #gamification
DaveDodgson 9:15 PM @theteacherjames I've used 'level-ups' with YLs in return for following class rules, rewards for getting to Lvl 5 :-) #ELTchat
cerirhiannon 9:16 PM @DaveDodgson @theteacherjames @shaunwilden  certainly builds tolerance to error and failure and a try again mentality #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:16 PM @Shaunwilden It could do, to some degree. Doesn't have to mean revolution, just a subtle change in mindset. #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:16 PM RT @grahamstanley: I am collecting articles, etc  on #gamification here: http://t.co/MRbd84Jg #eltchat > great! thanks for that
Shaunwilden 9:16 PM RT @grahamstanley: I am collecting articles, etc  on #gamification here: http://t.co/dbXkFX3U #eltchat
eannegrenoble 9:16 PM @theteacherjames  what about the punishment by rewards http://t.co/9WTrtntQ  - Alfi Cohn #eltchat
teacherthom 9:16 PM so given the power-ups, badges, levels etc. are we looking at something more for younger learners? #eltchat
DaveDodgson 9:16 PM @theteacherjames @shaunwilden A useful mindset to have when learning something like a foriegn language #ELTchat
grahamstanley 9:16 PM I am collecting articles, etc  on #gamification here: http://t.co/dbXkFX3U #eltchat
grahamstanley 9:17 PM #eltchat #gamification for me  can have a role to play in behaviour management , motivation and assessment in ELT  (particularly with YLs)
Wiktor_K 9:17 PM @teacherthom Not necessarily - sell "present perfect" a superpower: "now I can combine the past and future!" :) #eltchat
DaveDodgson 9:17 PM RT @Marisa_C: RT @grahamstanley: I am collecting articles, etc  on #gamification here: http://t.co/FWVhfyCK #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:17 PM @eannegrenoble Interesting point, don't know that argument but there could be something to it. #eltchat
DaveDodgson 9:17 PM @theteacherjames @shaunwilden ..and with games, you always have another chance (turn it off and on and reoload!) #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:17 PM @theteacherjames a minor degree but lets not nitpick :-) #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 9:17 PM @naomishema forgot hash tag. Cooperative learning uses games without ind rewards. #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:18 PM Here is another article I pinned earlier http://t.co/KpGEpdqe #eltchat
DaveDodgson 9:18 PM @Shaunwilden @grahamstanley check out http://t.co/mNrH2xzn for a useful example of that #ELTchat
teacherphili 9:18 PM This #gamification thing is more about classroom management than I realised #ELTchat
teacherthom 9:18 PM @grahamstanley yep, it's shouting out YLs to me #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:18 PM #eltchat also encourages collaboration and learning together - from each other #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:18 PM @Shaunwilden Depends on the teacher, surely. I heard about these teachers who were inspired by Danish filmmakers... #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:18 PM RT @grahamstanley: #eltchat #gamification for me  can have a role to play in behaviour management , motivation and assessment in ELT  (p ...
haniehak 9:18 PM RT @grahamstanley: #ELTchat  #gamification has lots of pitfalls - it's not just about PBL (points, badges, levels) see Paul Driver in ht ...
theteacherjames 9:19 PM @DaveDodgson @shaunwilden Yes to all of those, plus the obvious familiarity for many YL's. #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:19 PM @grahamstanley So what are some of the pitfalls you would caution Ts abt?  #ELTchat #gamification
DaveDodgson 9:20 PM @teacherphili Students can take home the access code and look after it at the weekends! #ELTchat
Wiktor_K 9:20 PM @naomishema could manage a big class better with help of gamification...in theory? #eltchat
DaveDodgson 9:20 PM @teacherphili Not always. Take the classic 'class pet' idea. It can be recreated with an online pet avatar #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:20 PM @DaveDodgson aye i've been showing that to teachers recently - i wouldnt have called it gamification though #eltchat
naomishema 9:20 PM Do you think the factor of class size is relevant here? #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:21 PM @grahamstanley This is a most excellent wiki Graham!!!!  #ELTchat #gamification
teacherphili 9:21 PM @DaveDodgson you mean like a tamaguchi? #ELTchat http://t.co/8xZRiP8g
naomishema 9:21 PM @muranava Interesting point! #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:21 PM RT @muranava: hi all, any qualms about the behaviourist basis of gamefication? #eltchat
muranava 9:21 PM hi all, any qualms about the behaviourist basis of gamefication? #eltchat
DaveDodgson 9:22 PM RT @grahamstanley: @Marisa_C pitfalls? too much focus on extrinsic motivation, demotivating some students  #ELTchat #gamification
Shaunwilden 9:22 PM @DaveDodgson to me its more of a 21st reward system of the type we used to more manually do #eltchat
teacherthom 9:22 PM @grahamstanley @teacherphili @Marisa_C and prep time? not meaning 2b a stick in the mud but just putting my practical hat on 4 a mo #eltchat
DaveDodgson 9:22 PM @Shaunwilden Avatars, points (like XP) for various 'achievements' - that was a language my YLs could understand #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:22 PM RT @grahamstanley: @Marisa_C pitfalls? too much focus on extrinsic motivation, demotivating some students  #ELTchat #gamification
naomishema 9:22 PM @Wiktor_K Really don't know. classroom management is tricky with 38 adults! #eltchat
haniehak 9:22 PM @grahamstanley I have some ideas of gamification in my classes but haven't assessed ss by using it, I wonder how it's possible... #eltchat
grahamstanley 9:22 PM @Marisa_C pitfalls? too much focus on extrinsic motivation, demotivating some students  #ELTchat #gamification
DaveDodgson 9:22 PM @Shaunwilden Depends how you introduce it to the class... #ELTchat
MiconBot 9:23 PM RT @Wiktor_K: @muranava every game can be behaviourist or v. communicative - playing poker to win $ is different than playing to meet fr ...
theteacherjames 9:23 PM The next tweet is by Jane McGonigal about when we play a game... #eltchat
DaveDodgson 9:23 PM @teacherphili Yea, something like that :) #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:23 PM So if it's not a fad, how would a teacher get started? #eltchat
DaveDodgson 9:23 PM @Marisa_C @grahamstanley Yes, have seen kids upset about not getting a 'level-up' but same is true of any points based system #ELTchat
Wiktor_K 9:23 PM @muranava every game can be behaviourist or v. communicative - playing poker to win $ is different than playing to meet friends #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:23 PM @DaveDodgson gamification for me, is like you said earlier, the whole package #eltchat
Wiktor_K 9:24 PM RT @Shaunwilden: So if its not a fad, how would a teacher get started? - I'd find out what games my Ss enjoy and take it from there #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:24 PM @DaveDodgson  #ELTchat so true - but play is part of the way kids learn anything and everything - no?
cerirhiannon 9:24 PM RT @theteacherjames: “We tackle tough challenges with more creativity, more determination, & we're more likely to reach out to other ...
theteacherjames 9:24 PM “We tackle tough challenges with more creativity, more determination, & we're more likely to reach out to others for help.” #eltchat
grahamstanley 9:25 PM Lee Sheldon's 'Multiplayer Classroom' book is a must for anyone interested in #gamification #eltchat - blog here: http://t.co/CBCp1DVf
DaveDodgson 9:25 PM Game concepts are also useful for problem solving and creative thinking #ELTchat
haniehak 9:25 PM @grahamstanley @marisa_c n sometimes ss can predict the stages of any lesson if it is used many times, again demotivating! #eltchat
fatihyucelelt 9:25 PM RT @vmorgana: Here is an article about What teachers really think about game-based learning. http://t.co/Ht4hk6mh #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:25 PM #eltchat can gamification also include the use of games as a means of learning throuhg doing -a kind of gamified CLIL?
DaveDodgson 9:25 PM @Shaunwilden Same for me - rewards is a nice way to introduce the concept though. Problem is, many Ts seem to stop there, #ELTchat
teacherphili 9:25 PM @Marisa_C @DaveDodgson it (learning through play) comes naturally with learners of a certain age, surely? #ELTchat
DaveDodgson 9:26 PM RT @grahamstanley: Lee Sheldon's 'Multiplayer Classroom' book is a must for anyone interested in #gamification #eltchat http://t.co/QS2ayve6
teacherphili 9:26 PM Based on some of the definitions, I've used aspects of #gamification in the past without realising fully what I was doing. #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:26 PM RT @DaveDodgson: Game concepts are also useful for problem solving and creative thinking #ELTchat So it's task based learning :-)
muranava 9:26 PM @Wiktor_K true, though playing games is diff from using game elements in class no? #eltchat
DaveDodgson 9:26 PM @Marisa_C @teacherphili Yes, but that natural element is so often excluded from classrooms! #ELTchat
fatihyucelelt 9:26 PM RT @DaveDodgson: RT @theteacherjames: I think it isn't about playing games in class, but using the mechanics of game play to change how  ...
Marisa_C 9:27 PM RT @grahamstanley:used #gamification successfully this term with 13yr olds - lots of progress in writing http://t.co/RHKImbrg  #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:27 PM RT @teacherphili: ..esply when tapping into competitive streak #ELTchat > good when they're competing against the game and not each other
Wiktor_K 9:27 PM @grahamstanley Oh, so gamification is applied to relationships as well (as I read on the blog)? That's cute! #eltchat
grahamstanley 9:27 PM I have used #gamification successfully this term with 13yr olds - lots of progress in writing http://t.co/cEXApYNu  #eltchat
teacherphili 9:27 PM ..especially when tapping into their competitive streak #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:28 PM @grahamstanley  #gamification #eltchat I used to get ss to make their own board games to write the rules, cards, penalties, eeverything
DaveDodgson 9:28 PM @Shaunwilden Not really but there are connections ;) #ELTchat
MarjorieRosenbe 9:29 PM @DaveDodgson Problem solving and analytic games have also been around for long time. Are these gamification? #eltchat
grahamstanley 9:29 PM #eltchat writing quickly became the most popular activity of the class - when it was unpopular at the beginning of term #gamification
english247 9:30 PM Learn #English with #Christmas songs: Winter Wonderland - elementary multiple choice listening http://t.co/cnfGQmKB #kids #esl #eltchat
grahamstanley 9:30 PM #eltchat will write a follow-up post on http://t.co/JeYIgtcL  soon #gamification
DaveDodgson 9:30 PM @Shaunwilden It's also like CLIL - my YLs have learned a lot of real world info from games #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:30 PM My Ss' greatest masterpieces were board games for '49 steps' and "macbeth' #ELTchat
teacherphili 9:30 PM @cerirhiannon yes, i see that as a potential pitfall, though for one class i taught it was more 'against each other' than the game. #ELTchat
DaveDodgson 9:31 PM @MarjorieRosenbe ..but I would also branch out to include elements of games applied to the classroom #ELTchat
haniehak 9:31 PM RT @Marisa_C: RT @grahamstanley:used #gamification successfully this term with 13yr olds - lots of progress in writing http://t.co/RHKIm ...
DaveDodgson 9:31 PM @MarjorieRosenbe Games adapted for the classroom? Sure - for me that's part of it #ELTchat
teacherphili 9:31 PM @grahamstanley how does one get to join your fun class? #ELTchat
Wiktor_K 9:31 PM Maybe @grahamstanley 's idea could save Ts work - instead of coming up with a system, let Ss decide parts of what games 2 use #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:31 PM RT @grahamstanley: #eltchat will write a follow-up post on http://t.co/OmTTge1U  soon #gamification
grahamstanley 9:32 PM @Wiktor_K yes, and the best part is assessment for me - no more pass/fail with #gamification #eltchat
teacherphili 9:32 PM @cerirhiannon I understand. #ELTchat
cerirhiannon 9:32 PM RT @DaveDodgson: @Shaunwilden It's also like CLIL - my YLs have learned a lot of real world info from games #ELTchat > agree
MarjorieRosenbe 9:32 PM @DaveDodgson Sts who didnt like games liked analytic activities. #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:32 PM @teacherphili  #eltchat that0s part of the challenge to get the students to compete against themselves and the game and work on it together
naomishema 9:33 PM Sorry folks, can't stay any longer. It's been a long day at work, 11:30 p.m here! Good night! #eltchat
DaveDodgson 9:33 PM Games are also such a big part of YLs lives - I asked a class to describe their favourite games & they came out with tons of vocab #ELTchat
cerirhiannon 9:33 PM @teacherphili  :)  #eltchat
DaveDodgson 9:34 PM ...and structures they had acquired from games. Using those terms in class for a non-gaming topic helps me connect with them #ELTchat
theteacherjames 9:34 PM As in @grahamstanley's post http://t.co/i4QTqtGF, rewards are not the ultimate aim, they just help towards the main linguistic goal #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:34 PM @Marisa_C depends on the game :-) #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:34 PM RT @DaveDodgson: class describe favourite games & came out wtons of vocab #ELTchat >worked for me with young adults too
Marisa_C 9:34 PM many of us use games in teacher  training as well - any thoughts on this? Do all trainees respond positively? #ELTchat
Wiktor_K 9:34 PM @grahamstanley Get a camera to class, good Sir, and show us this new-fangled wonderschool ;) #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:35 PM @Marisa_C you asked if trainees responded postively i was answering #eltchat
DaveDodgson 9:35 PM @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C and on how it is managed! #ELTchat
JMGubbins 9:35 PM @Marisa_C Not everyone will respond the same way; but, isn't that what differentiated learning is all about? #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:35 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C depends on the game :-) #eltchat > splain pls?
Marisa_C 9:36 PM RT @Shaunwilden: I've seen far too many games and not enough focus on purpose in the classroom of late #eltchat> Hear hear!
Shaunwilden 9:36 PM I've seen far too many games and not enough focus on purpose in the classroom of late #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:36 PM @JMGubbins  #ELTchat for sure - much easier to take this approach with YLs tho some adults might consider this "unserious"
grahamstanley 9:36 PM #eltchat  instead of pass/fail students earn experience points and increase in level  - interesting twist on assessment
Wiktor_K 9:37 PM @Shaunwilden too many games - true, & Ss (esp YLs) pick up the "fake game" awfully quick - "it's not fun, just pretending to play" #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:37 PM @Shaunwilden you meant in tt sessions then?  #eltchat
DaveDodgson 9:37 PM RT @grahamstanley: #eltchat  instead of pass/fail students earn experience points and increase in level  - interesting twist on assessment
teacherthom 9:37 PM @grahamstanley certainly less difficult for those who fail #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:38 PM @DaveDodgson oh am not anti games dont get me wrong #eltchat
haniehak 9:38 PM @marisa_c back to the CELTA we had a colleague she said her ss would think she is wasting time instead of teaching #eltchat context matters!
Marisa_C 9:38 PM @teacherthom we do all the time in my school  #eltchat
grahamstanley 9:38 PM @bcnpaul1 has done a lot on teacher development and #gamification http://t.co/WbTlx4XW #eltchat
DaveDodgson 9:38 PM @Shaunwilden My students often struggle with descriptive writing. Ask them to describe a game or place in a game & they cant stop!! #ELTchat
kierandonaghy 9:38 PM RT @grahamstanley: #eltchat  instead of pass/fail students earn experience points and increase in level  - interesting twist on assessment
teacherthom 9:38 PM @Marisa_C @JMGubbins couldn't agree more, has anyone actually tried this with adult learners? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:39 PM @DaveDodgson just seem to many here's a fun activity approaches by teachers #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:39 PM @haniehak indeed - that's what is sometimes the reaction - same as some parents may object to games not being real learning #eltchat
eannegrenoble 9:39 PM RT @grahamstanley: #eltchat  instead of pass/fail students earn experience points and increase in level  -   a new name for gold stars?
cerirhiannon 9:39 PM RT @teacherthom: @grahamstanley  less difficult for those who fail #eltchat < but still frustrating if you're the one with least points
Marisa_C 9:40 PM RT @teacherthom: @Marisa_C gamification or playing games? #eltchat > the chicken or the egg? :-D
kierandonaghy 9:40 PM RT @grahamstanley: @bcnpaul1 has done a lot on teacher development and #gamification http://t.co/WbTlx4XW #eltchat
kevinmace 9:40 PM RT @DaveDodgson: RT @grahamstanley: #eltchat  instead of pass/fail students earn experience points and increase in level  - interesting  ...
teacherthom 9:40 PM @Marisa_C gamification or playing games? #eltchat
DaveDodgson 9:40 PM @Shaunwilden I think we're on the same page (or level!) Games for games' sake are often a waste of time #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:40 PM RT @eannegrenoble: RT @grahamstanley: #eltchat  instead of pass/fail students earn experience points and increase in level  -   a new na ...
DaveDodgson 9:41 PM @Marisa_C @haniehak I have had parents thank me for getting their kids motivated by referring to games/incorprating elements #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:41 PM @DaveDodgson yes we are -  its tricky for (new) teachers to grasp what is needed to make the game as effective as possible #eltchat
Wiktor_K 9:41 PM @DaveDodgson Disagree. Your brain works better when in a game - and this alone is immense benefit. Play a game + throw in language! #eltchat
SophiaMav 9:41 PM Do teachers need to play games themselves to apply #gamification effectively in class? Be familiar with concepts & procedures? #ELTchat
teacherthom 9:41 PM @cerirhiannon @grahamstanley there's a res project right there: does it feel better to fail or b the one with the fewest points? #eltchat
haniehak 9:42 PM @grahamstanley great idea but would ss take it seriously? #eltchat needs time n awareness raising
teacherthom 9:42 PM RT @Marisa_C gamification or playing games? #eltchat > the chicken or the egg? :-D > you tell me!
cerirhiannon 9:42 PM @teacherthom @grahamstanley  I am always the one with fewest points if i join in my kids games - it hurts ;)  #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:42 PM @DaveDodgson  #ELTchat that's great when it happens and it is as it should be - but not all or everywhere react this way
DaveDodgson 9:42 PM @Marisa_C @haniehak Two sides, as always! #ELTchat
theteacherjames 9:43 PM RT @Shaunwilden: I've seen far too many games & not enough focus on purpose in the classroom of late. #eltchat
cerirhiannon 9:43 PM @teacherthom @grahamstanley  guess game design/implementation is important -  within all the learners' reach wout being patronising #eltchat
DaveDodgson 9:43 PM @Marisa_C I did give those parents a level up for saying so :p #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:43 PM @teacherthom  #eltchat don't have an answer yet - need to study all the good reading @grahamstanley has given us this evening
DaveDodgson 9:43 PM @Wiktor_K I think in some classes the language is often not thrown in though... or it is and it misses! #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:43 PM RT @grahamstanley: @bcnpaul1 and I did a #tesol #evonline course on #gamification and #gbl last year http://t.co/7TLWkBG1 #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:44 PM Do you think that adults are as happy to play games? My students sometimes see them as a waste of time #ELTchat
teacherthom 9:44 PM @cerirhiannon @grahamstanley 1st participant fb in! just booting up SPSS now... #eltchat
Wiktor_K 9:44 PM @DaveDodgson Gotcha. Early days for games in education - hit & miss pretty much assured till all worked out. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:45 PM This just came up in my timeline #eltchat  Game Based Learning ‚Äì Why Does it Work? http://t.co/WsNime5E
DaveDodgson 9:45 PM @SueAnnan I bet the ones who say that play on their phones or FB! #ELTchat
teacherthom 9:45 PM @Marisa_C @grahamstanley me too :) #eltchat
teacherphili 9:45 PM @SueAnnan good point, Sue - I think it's been focused so far on the needs of YLs #ELTchat
cerirhiannon 9:45 PM @teacherthom  :)  #eltchat
gtorrado 9:46 PM RT @grahamstanley: Lee Sheldon's 'Multiplayer Classroom' book is a must for anyone interested in #gamification #eltchat - blog here: htt ...
MarjorieRosenbe 9:46 PM @naomishema good night and sleep.well. #eltchat
Wiktor_K 9:46 PM @SueAnnan I'd love a "grown-up" game that'd help me learn Spanish without making me chase balloons and such :) #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:46 PM RT @teacherphili: @cerirhiannon @SueAnnan I can only think of 'Twister' #ELTchat ;-)
haniehak 9:46 PM @davedodgson @marisa_c and some will def change their mind toward the end of the term when they c their kids r really learning! #eltchat
teacherphili 9:46 PM @cerirhiannon @SueAnnan I can only think of 'Twister' #ELTchat ;-)
theteacherjames 9:46 PM It might be worth pointing out to any latecomers that gamification does not necessarily mean playing games. #eltchat
gtorrado 9:46 PM RT @grahamstanley: I have used #gamification successfully this term with 13yr olds - lots of progress in writing http://t.co/cEXApYNu  # ...
gtorrado 9:46 PM RT @grahamstanley: #eltchat will write a follow-up post on http://t.co/JeYIgtcL  soon #gamification
Marisa_C 9:46 PM @SueAnnan  #ELTchat Our adults seem to take to games like a duck to water tho I smtms worry as from diff cultures.... but not so far
cerirhiannon 9:46 PM @teacherphili @SueAnnan  some games are very adult  #eltchat
haniehak 9:47 PM @teacherphili @cerirhiannon @sueannan I do believe adults need more games, seriously! #eltchat
gtorrado 9:47 PM RT @grahamstanley: I am collecting articles, etc  on #gamification here: http://t.co/dbXkFX3U #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:47 PM @DaveDodgson @SueAnnan Sounds like they've been given the wrong games to me! #ELTchat
grahamstanley 9:47 PM @teacherthom  that's why it can't be just about points - levelling up makes it about personal goals and badges help too #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:47 PM RT @theteacherjames: It might be worth pointing out to any latecomers that gamification does not necessarily mean playing games. #eltchat
muranava 9:48 PM taking it beyond gamefication for YLs  see http://t.co/8IdDCmIx by @chadsansing amongst othrs  #eltchat
DaveDodgson 9:48 PM @grahamstanley @teachethom A useful way to promote self-assessment then? #ELTchat
JL3001 9:49 PM RT @Marisa_C: RT @theteacherjames: "gamification isnt about playing games in class, but using the mechanics of game play to change how w ...
teacherthom 9:50 PM @grahamstanley ...like I said, interesting project for anyone with the time/inclination #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:50 PM @theteacherjames @DaveDodgson  I tend to sell them as ' game-like activities  for language learning' #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:50 PM RT @teacherthom: @grahamstanley I think the point still stands though, can one approach be shown to make a student feel better/worse tha ...
teacherthom 9:50 PM @grahamstanley I think the point still stands though, can one approach be shown to make a student feel better/worse than the other? #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:52 PM @teacherthom  #eltchat Question is not really about time I think but about value or otherwise
Marisa_C 9:53 PM am pinning all #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:53 PM 5 mins left of #eltchat summary writer needed
DaveDodgson 9:53 PM RT @teacherphili: Plenty of useful links tonight should anyone wish to investigate the concept of 'gamification' further #ELTchat #summary
Marisa_C 9:53 PM RT @teacherphili: Plenty of useful links tonight should anyone wish to investigate the concept of 'gamification' further #ELTchat #summary
DaveDodgson 9:53 PM Elements of media such as video, music & print have long been embraced in classrooms. The same should be true of games :) #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:53 PM @haniehak sweet vindication :-)  #eltchat
teacherphili 9:53 PM Plenty of useful links tonight should anyone wish to investigate the concept of 'gamification' further #ELTchat #summary
grahamstanley 9:54 PM Interesting graphic from Coursera MOOC on #gamification http://t.co/BVpyGKZJ #eltchat see http://t.co/wMxDbg9G
Wiktor_K 9:54 PM Writer is ready to go :) #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:54 PM @Marisa_C oh do we, musta missed that #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:54 PM @Shaunwilden  #eltchat we have a writer
Marisa_C 9:55 PM RT @Wiktor_K: Writer is ready to go :) #eltchat  - here he is
muranava 9:55 PM i c often parallel btw hollywood trying to attract youth with game remakes and gamefication in ELT #eltchat
teacherphili 9:55 PM @Wiktor_K Is it You? #ELTchat
DaveDodgson 9:55 PM @Marisa_C @shaunwilden Do you? Was going to volunteer.. Maybe another time ;) #ELTchat
teacherthom 9:56 PM @Marisa_C ...threw out many ideas before finally settling on my MA diss topic so yeah, I think time is an issue #eltchat
teacherthom 9:56 PM @Marisa_C any res worth publishing has to be detailed enough and therefore takes time... #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:56 PM RT @DaveDodgson: Elements of media such as video, music & print have long been embraced in classrooms. The same should be true of ga ...
kierandonaghy 9:57 PM RT @grahamstanley: Interesting graphic from Coursera MOOC on #gamification http://t.co/BVpyGKZJ #eltchat see http://t.co/wMxDbg9G
teacherphili 9:57 PM I've been resisting up til now but I can't sign off without quoting: "Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges!" #ELTchat #goodnight
eannegrenoble 9:57 PM @grahamstanley Thanks for the  collection of reading  - http://t.co/0PZSGTPf  and thanks all -  #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:57 PM @skrashen siad sth abt rewarding ppl to do sth they enjoy may ultimately demotivate #eLtchat
DaveDodgson 9:58 PM @Marisa_C True, but rewards are only a small part of it #ELTchat
teacherphili 9:58 PM Is there an #ELTchat next week? - It's Christmas - just checkin' - I was only joking about the stinkin' badges ;-)
SueAnnan 9:58 PM Thanks for an interesting chat. learned a lot tonight :-) Great MOds as always #ELTchat
Wiktor_K 9:58 PM @teacherphili LOL :) badges are just the start...tomorrow, the world! #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 9:58 PM Night all. Cant stay awake anymore. #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:58 PM @teacherphili  #ELTchat #goodnight ok no badge for your blog them :-D
muranava 9:59 PM thx all and mods #eltchat
haniehak 9:59 PM @davedodgson @grahamstanley food for thought,the implications aren't simple,still can't encourage my ss to do the can do statements #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:59 PM @teacherphili Nah your reward is time off for good chatting :-) #eltchat
eannegrenoble 9:59 PM RT @Marisa_C: @skrashen said sth abt rewarding ppl to do sth they enjoy may ultimately demotivate #eLtchat >>the book http://t.co/9WTrtntQ
theteacherjames 10:00 PM Thanks for a great #eltchat everyone & for a fantastic year of #eltchatting!!
Shaunwilden 10:00 PM Thanks for joining us, loads of post #eltchat reading.  There wont be  an #eltchat for a couple of weeks so happy holidays all
cioccas 10:00 PM Missed most of #ELTchat - got dragged into kitchen by my nieces to make French toast - with fresh blueberries we picked yesterday :)
DaveDodgson 10:00 PM @Shaunwilden @teacherphili shouldn'T we have a special #eltchat bonus Christmas level? :p #ELTchat
Marisa_C 10:00 PM Thank you all for joining us - we'll take a break for Xmas - see you in the New Year??? #Eltchat
teacherphili 10:00 PM @Shaunwilden it's ok, gots me a summary to write on VLEs #ELTchat. See ya!

 

 

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