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Marisa_C | Hello everyone on #ELTchat - it's time to talk about homework - anyone here? (or shall we both go home :-D ) | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:01:02 +0000 |
theteacherjames | @Marisa_C I'm here :-) #ELTchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:01:24 +0000 |
SophiaKhan4 | RT @Marisa_C: Hello everyone on #ELTchat - it's time to talk about homework - anyone here? (or shall we both go home :-D ) | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:01:33 +0000 |
Marisa_C | @SophiaKhan4 @theteacherjames @EwaMalicka_ELT @michaelegriffin #ELTchat hi all - glad am not on me own :-) | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:02:01 +0000 |
esolcourses | RT @theteacherjames: @Marisa_C I'm here :-) #ELTchat me too :-) | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:02:03 +0000 |
Marisa_C | @esolcourses yay #ELTchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:02:09 +0000 |
SophiaKhan4 | @Marisa_C haha I'm here! Homework it it? I clearly can't read poll results...#eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:02:09 +0000 |
Marisa_C | @SophiaKhan4 whohoo #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:02:24 +0000 |
Marisa_C | So what types of homework are there? What do you usually assign? #Eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:03:52 +0000 |
NailahRokic | @Marisa_C I'm here for the chat after a long while away #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:04:17 +0000 |
theteacherjames | Homework is a very interesting topic. Probably a bit controversial too... #excellent #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:04:19 +0000 |
FrancesEales | #eltchat And me! | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:04:21 +0000 |
Marisa_C | @FrancesEales @NailahRokic #eltchat great to have you both join - hop on!!! #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:04:46 +0000 |
theteacherjames | The homework I set tends to be one of two things: revise what we did in class & I'll quiz you next time, or writing. #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:05:45 +0000 |
BobK99 | @Marisa_C #ELTchat Me too. Still learning to drive Tweetdeck - so for the last 5 minutes I've been wondering where everybody was :-) | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:06:10 +0000 |
Marisa_C | @theteacherjames so hw needs to be done or else ???? #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:06:23 +0000 |
SophiaKhan4 | @Marisa_C I usu assign non-essential work & pin up answers at a specific time, &give credit (er, stickers) for work completed :) #ELTChat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:06:32 +0000 |
Marisa_C | @BobK99 tweetdeck is silly sometimes - welcome #ELTchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:06:43 +0000 |
SophiaKhan4 | @Marisa_C I mean extra readings, vocab work etc. #ELTchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:07:12 +0000 |
Marisa_C | @SophiaKhan4 by non essential what to do mean Sophia? motivating? fun? #ELTChat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:07:17 +0000 |
Marisa_C | @SophiaKhan4 ok gotcha #ELTchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:07:25 +0000 |
KerrCarolyn | #ELTChat - Sorry I'm late. I left my homework on the bus and ran back to get it, but I was too late | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:07:26 +0000 |
theteacherjames | @Marisa_C We have to find another way. Teaching adults means I can't exactly lay down the law, it's up to them if they do it or not #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:07:31 +0000 |
Marisa_C | RT @KerrCarolyn: #ELTChat - Sorry I'm late. I left my homework on the bus and ran back to get it, but I was too late > lol | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:07:43 +0000 |
esolcourses | I always set optional extra work to do out of class, & IME (with adults and teens) s's who do it tend to make better progress #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:07:44 +0000 |
esolcourses | RT @theteacherjames: @Marisa_C Teaching adults means I can't exactly lay down the law, it's up to them if they do it or not #eltchat ] agree | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:08:11 +0000 |
Marisa_C | @esolcourses good - key word is optional #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:08:17 +0000 |
SophiaKhan4 | @Marisa_C Probably only if you get a kick out or gapfills (I do!) I leave out stuff I think could done at home and self-checked #ELTchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:08:34 +0000 |
Marisa_C | But is homework beneficial first of all - what do you think? Is it necessary? #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:08:45 +0000 |
theteacherjames | @KerrCarolyn Welcome. Don't worry, I'm sure it was eaten by a dog... #ELTChat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:08:49 +0000 |
SophiaKhan4 | RT @Marisa_C: RT @KerrCarolyn: #ELTChat - Sorry I'm late. I left my homework on the bus and ran back to get it, but I was too late > lol | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:08:59 +0000 |
Marisa_C | RT @theteacherjames: @KerrCarolyn Welcome. Don't worry, I'm sure it was eaten by a dog... #ELTChat :-D 0r an alien | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:09:09 +0000 |
KerrCarolyn | @SophiaKhan4 @Marisa_C #ELTChat - self checked is important for me. How many times have I forgotten to check HW - too many!!! | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:09:25 +0000 |
theteacherjames | @esolcourses Yes, that's the best way with adults. It also means that if they are not happy with their progress... #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:09:53 +0000 |
esolcourses | @theteacherjames @Marisa_C IMO, pre-reading and post lesson activities really help to consolidate work covered in class #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:10:08 +0000 |
SophiaKhan4 | @KerrCarolyn @Marisa_C Yeah, saves time for us and makes adult learners more autonomous too #ELTchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:10:09 +0000 |
KerrCarolyn | @Marisa_C @theteacherjames #ELTChat - I was stunned to discover that adults seriously fib about homework =) | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:10:19 +0000 |
SophiaKhan4 | RT @Marisa_C: But is homework beneficial first of all - what do you think? Is it necessary? #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:10:27 +0000 |
theteacherjames | @esolcourses ...you can ask them how much self study they are doing and know you gave them the opportunity. #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:10:32 +0000 |
esolcourses | RT @SophiaKhan4: @KerrCarolyn @Marisa_C Yeah, saves time for us and makes adult learners more autonomous too #ELTchat ] agree | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:10:42 +0000 |
teflgeek | Hi Everyone #eltchat. Sorry I'm late. Connection issues. | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:11:08 +0000 |
esolcourses | RT @theteacherjames: ...you can ask them how much self study they are doing and know you gave them the opportunity. #eltchat ] yep | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:11:15 +0000 |
theteacherjames | @KerrCarolyn @Marisa_C Unbelievable isn't it? Just tell the truth, I can handle it! #ELTChat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:11:20 +0000 |
FrancesEales | #eltchat Not sure that research indicates it is 'good' but they often look at grades and tests to measure. | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:11:30 +0000 |
SophiaKhan4 | RT @theteacherjames: @esolcourses you can ask them how much self study they r doing & know you gave them the opportunity. #eltchat>exactly | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:11:46 +0000 |
KerrCarolyn | @Marisa_C #ELTChat - i think exposure to English outside the classroom is very important and homework is one way - but is it a good way? | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:12:00 +0000 |
Marisa_C | May I share a ppt presentation i did at Istek schools recently http://t.co/fTFpiRLl Homework or Busywork? #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:12:15 +0000 |
FrancesEales | #eltchat I'm referring to Hattie's research on metaanalyses which looked at homework across topics and millions of sts. | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:12:26 +0000 |
SophiaKhan4 | @KerrCarolyn @Marisa_C @theteacherjames Ha, the more things change...#Eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:12:31 +0000 |
theteacherjames | RT @Marisa_C: May I share a ppt presentation i did at Istek schools recently http://t.co/fTFpiRLl Homework or Busywork? #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:12:32 +0000 |
teflgeek | @KerrCarolyn @Marisa_C doesn't that depend on what the homework is? #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:12:40 +0000 |
esolcourses | RT @KerrCarolyn: @Marisa_C #ELTChat - i think exposure to English outside the classroom is very important and homework is one way - but is it a good way? | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:12:47 +0000 |
KerrCarolyn | @teflgeek @Marisa_C #ELTChat - Could be - what type of HW do you set David? | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:13:13 +0000 |
Marisa_C | @FrancesEales true that no conclusive results - in my ppt too #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:13:23 +0000 |
teflgeek | I often feel quite conflicted about homework. Half the time I only set it because I feel it's required of me #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:13:50 +0000 |
FrancesEales | #eltchat I think gap-fills and right/wrong answer homework can save time in class and especially on computers motivates some sts. | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:13:51 +0000 |
esolcourses | @KerrCarolyn @Marisa_C IMO, homework is as good (or bad) as the teacher who sets it. Needs to be targeted & purposeful #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:14:43 +0000 |
theteacherjames | To those who teach kids in the school system: Don't they already study enough? Isn't it too much to ask them to do it at home too? #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:14:46 +0000 |
teflgeek | @KerrCarolyn it varies. depends on the class. writing tasks, additional language practice activities #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:14:46 +0000 |
Marisa_C | @teflgeek teachers often have to assign HW they dont reallly approve of - a major issue #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:14:49 +0000 |
SophiaKhan4 | @NailahRokic This is true. But isn't their decision? If it's essential it should be done in class, if it's not, it's optional? #ELtchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:14:50 +0000 |
thaisachristine | RT @KerrCarolyn: @Marisa_C #ELTChat - i think exposure to English outside the classroom is very important and homework is one way - but is it a good way? | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:15:00 +0000 |
NailahRokic | I do believe in HW, if it complements/improves whats being taught in class, but that also doesnt work if T doesn't get s interested #ELTchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:15:09 +0000 |
jeeves_ | RT @carldowse: Social Media Practices to Expect in 2013 http://t.co/upkEKRQz Takes a look at how companies will use social media #besig #iatefl #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:15:15 +0000 |
theteacherjames | @teflgeek Do you think the sts expect it too? #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:15:23 +0000 |
teflgeek | @Marisa_C I think left to my own devices I would set homework about 10% of the time that I currently do. #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:15:25 +0000 |
esolcourses | RT @Marisa_C: May I share a ppt presentation i did at Istek schools recently http://t.co/a9G1YDoJ Homework or Busywork? #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:16:11 +0000 |
teflgeek | @theteacherjames but do they expect it because they have been indoctrinated in outmoded pedagogical routines and systems? #eltchat ;) | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:16:18 +0000 |
SophiaKhan4 | @teflgeek Where are you David? You mean hwk is a cultural expectation? #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:16:26 +0000 |
KerrCarolyn | @theteacherjames #ELTChat - overworked kids = big problem - especially when HW is competing with their other Subjects. HW they want to do? | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:16:43 +0000 |
NailahRokic | I find self check a bit controversial, as I found a few S that wouldn't do once it wouldn't be asked HW from them #ELTchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:16:44 +0000 |
Marisa_C | @teflgeek probably - and parents expect it too - but adults don't and won't as a rule #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:16:49 +0000 |
KerrCarolyn | @NailahRokic #ELTChat - what age were the SS? | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:17:24 +0000 |
FrancesEales | RT @theteacherjames: Isn't it too much to ask them to do it at home? #eltchat Yes, maybe that's where computer game-like hwk can be fun,? | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:17:25 +0000 |
FrancesEales | RT @esolcourses: RT @Marisa_C: May I share a ppt presentation i did at Istek schools recently http://t.co/a9G1YDoJ Homework or Busywork? #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:17:42 +0000 |
David__Boughton | RT @esolcourses: RT @Marisa_C: May I share a ppt presentation i did at Istek schools recently http://t.co/a9G1YDoJ Homework or Busywork? #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:18:08 +0000 |
KerrCarolyn | @FrancesEales @theteacherjames #ELTChat - yes online HW is good, if they have access and permission. Do you do the exercises too? | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:18:12 +0000 |
teflgeek | @SophiaKhan4 portugal and no - not cultural - well, big culture or little culture? It's part of the educational culture... #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:18:16 +0000 |
theteacherjames | @teflgeek Yes, I think you are 100% correct. It's still something to deal with though. #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:18:34 +0000 |
NailahRokic | Sometimes parents see HW as a way also to follow what's going on in class and sometimes test teachers #ELTchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:19:09 +0000 |
Pamoja_PLC | RT @Marisa_C: May I share a ppt presentation i did at Istek schools recently http://t.co/fTFpiRLl Homework or Busywork? #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:19:15 +0000 |
teflgeek | @theteacherjames Change their expectations? Negotiate the homework framework with them? #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:19:39 +0000 |
Marisa_C | in a research i did some yrs ago YLs declared their hatred of "Busywork? opently #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:19:44 +0000 |
David__Boughton | @Marisa_C a lot of parents in Canada are starting to revolt against HW. Ruining precious family time. #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:19:54 +0000 |
theteacherjames | @KerrCarolyn If the teacher can't cover the essentials in lesson time, then maybe they're not teaching it correctly? Harsh? #ELTChat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:19:54 +0000 |
KerrCarolyn | #ELTChat - so online games and (self corrected) Grammar exercises work - what else? | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:19:55 +0000 |
SophiaKhan4 | @teflgeek Do you think you would be happier if you were setting different types of hwk? #ELTchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:20:12 +0000 |
Marisa_C | RT @David__Boughton: @Marisa_C a lot of parents in Canada are starting to revolt against HW. Ruining precious family time. #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:20:34 +0000 |
esolcourses | RT @theteacherjames: @KerrCarolyn If the teacher can't cover the essentials in lesson time, then maybe they're not teaching it correctly? Harsh? #ELTChat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:20:46 +0000 |
theteacherjames | @KerrCarolyn @FrancesEales So what we really mean is to give homework by stealth, homework that doesn't seem like homework? #ELTChat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:21:04 +0000 |
Marisa_C | @David__Boughton in greece parents clamour for more homework so they can have precious "parent-free time" :-) #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:21:30 +0000 |
theteacherjames | @teflgeek yes, very sound ideas, but I think unfortunately there are few teachers who would even consider an approach like this. #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:21:50 +0000 |
SophiaKhan4 | @KerrCarolyn Actually interesting only-poss-at-home research eg interview a grandparent about life when they were a child #Eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:21:50 +0000 |
KerrCarolyn | @theteacherjames #ELTChat - If in a rush guilty of that. But I do like a noticing piece of HW to re-enforce or introduce a grammar point | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:21:52 +0000 |
David__Boughton | So #eltchat, if we are looking at HW, what about the flipped class. Lessons at home online and HW in class? | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:22:11 +0000 |
KerrCarolyn | RT @SophiaKhan4: @KerrCarolyn Actually interesting only-poss-at-home research eg interview a grandparent about life when they were a child #Eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:22:15 +0000 |
FrancesEales | RT @David__Boughton: @Marisa_C a lot of parents in Canada are starting to revolt against HW. Ruining precious family time. #eltchat Good pt. | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:22:21 +0000 |
Marisa_C | RT @theteacherjames: @KerrCarolyn @FrancesEales I like this 'HW by stealth" #eltchat yes happens a lot | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:22:52 +0000 |
teflgeek | @SophiaKhan4 I would be happier if both I and the learners were convinced that the homework was useful and meaningful.... #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:22:59 +0000 |
theteacherjames | @KerrCarolyn Yes, I think it's most useful as revision of classwork. That also makes it open ended and personal. #ELTChat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:23:10 +0000 |
KerrCarolyn | @David__Boughton #ELTChat - can u elaborate? what kind of HW in class? | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:23:29 +0000 |
esolcourses | @theteacherjames @KerrCarolyn I'd say so. IME, contact time set is often insufficient to cover all important aspects of course #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:23:33 +0000 |
SophiaKhan4 | @Marisa_C @David__Boughton That's interesting as here in Aus hwk can mean *more* parental involvement (supervising, helping etc) #ELTchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:23:41 +0000 |
FrancesEales | RT @theteacherjames:So what we really mean is to give homework by stealth. #ELTChat That's one way, I think. Not the only one, tho. | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:23:45 +0000 |
Marisa_C | sorry follks need to rebook my tweetdeck is not responding well #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:23:48 +0000 |
SophiaKhan4 | RT @FrancesEales: RT @David__Boughton: @Marisa_C a lot of parents in Canada are starting to revolt against HW. Ruining precious family time. #eltchat Good pt. | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:24:18 +0000 |
David__Boughton | @Marisa_C LOL. That makes sense too! I think a lot of it here is parents getting frustrated with stressed out kids. #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:24:43 +0000 |
theteacherjames | @Marisa_C @KerrCarolyn @FrancesEales I sent an article to a st recently because I knew she liked the subject. She said... #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:24:45 +0000 |
FrancesEales | #eltchat In the UK it's v motivating to set speaking hwk where sts interview host families or other sts on lesson topic and report back. | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:24:57 +0000 |
teflgeek | @theteacherjames it does depend on context. I'm in a private lang school where I get comparative freedom with these things. #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:25:05 +0000 |
theteacherjames | @Marisa_C @KerrCarolyn @FrancesEales ..."Thanks for the secret homework!" #busted #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:25:15 +0000 |
FrancesEales | #eltchat They can make short films on their phones and bring them to class of parts of the interviews. | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:25:37 +0000 |
Marisa_C | #eltchat reboot | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:25:51 +0000 |
SophiaKhan4 | @David__Boughton Not sure the flipped class applies to most *EFL* c/rooms - we have always been v. st-centred, learning thru doing #ELTchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:26:08 +0000 |
teflgeek | having serious connection issues - tweets taking eons to upload. Apols #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:26:15 +0000 |
theteacherjames | @esolcourses @KerrCarolyn yes, in some situations it would be unfair. But for schools where the kids are there for years, maybe not #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:26:20 +0000 |
KerrCarolyn | @esolcourses @theteacherjames #ELTChat - agree. Think some organizations view teacher as a synonym for 'miracle worker' or 'wizard' | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:26:40 +0000 |
theteacherjames | @teflgeek Absolutely. #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:26:48 +0000 |
David__Boughton | @KerrCarolyn e.g. send a video on grammar point. Exercises in class. All the class time is for using the language not teaching it. #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:27:38 +0000 |
esolcourses | RT @David__Boughton: So #eltchat, if we are looking at HW, what about the flipped class. Lessons at home online and HW in class? | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:28:06 +0000 |
KerrCarolyn | @FrancesEales #ELTChat - the idea of speaking HW is great. Short films can work here too. Saw a remake of 'friends' by 4 french kids | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:28:38 +0000 |
BobK99 | @David__Boughton @Marisa_C #eltchat but is it 'precious family time' or time spent staring at TV? (Afraid I may have an old-fashiond view!? | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:28:46 +0000 |
SophiaKhan4 | RT @theteacherjames: @KerrCarolyn If the teacher can't cover the essentials in lesson time, then maybe they're not teaching it correctly? Harsh? #ELTChat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:28:51 +0000 |
FrancesEales | #eltchat I've also set up voxopop group topics or vocaroo speaking tasks which sts practise and then record and send to me. | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:28:51 +0000 |
teflgeek | Help with homework - an elderly blog post from my collection...! http://t.co/fp9RiGlI #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:29:05 +0000 |
Marisa_C | RT @FrancesEales: #eltchat I've also set up voxopop group topics or vocaroo speaking tasks which sts practise & then record and send to me. | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:29:17 +0000 |
teflgeek | RT @FrancesEales: #eltchat I've also set up voxopop group topics or vocaroo speaking tasks which sts practise and then record and send to me. | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:29:30 +0000 |
David__Boughton | @SophiaKhan4 exactly! The whole class is about doing when the lesson/lecture is the HW. #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:29:32 +0000 |
esolcourses | @David__Boughton use a variation on that theme, i.e. online prep. at home and conversation based activities and games in class. #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:30:01 +0000 |
Marisa_C | @FrancesEales excellent idea - was just abt to mention voxopop #eltchat @englishraven has a great group on voxopop - go listen pls | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:30:08 +0000 |
KerrCarolyn | #ELTChat - what about reading? How does extensive reading work as HW? | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:30:11 +0000 |
theteacherjames | RT @teflgeek: Help with homework - an elderly blog post from my collection...! http://t.co/fp9RiGlI #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:30:15 +0000 |
SophiaKhan4 | @BobK99 @David__Boughton @Marisa_C but we can't know. I'd like to opt for precious. If not they probably aren't doing hwk anyway #ELTchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:30:22 +0000 |
esolcourses | @David__Boughton works well as a rule, although of course you will always get some learners who don't do the online work that's set #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:30:54 +0000 |
NailahRokic | @KerrCarolyn U'r taught all.ages but I was referring to adults #ELTchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:31:03 +0000 |
theteacherjames | @KerrCarolyn I try to encourage all my students to read as much as possible. Find out what they like, lend them books etc. #ELTChat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:31:09 +0000 |
Marisa_C | @KerrCarolyn may work if motivating pre-reading done in class to whet ss' appetite and stimulate curiosity #ELTChat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:31:11 +0000 |
coolpcgame | RT @FrancesEales: RT @theteacherjames: Isn't it too much to ask them to do it at home? #eltchat Yes, maybe that's where computer game-like hwk can be fun,? | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:31:40 +0000 |
theteacherjames | @KerrCarolyn I also like to encourage extensive listening / watching (podcasts, radio, news, TV, films etc). Strictly for pleasure. #ELTChat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:32:03 +0000 |
jorgeguillen | However, HW in some other parts of the world like here in Mexico, it's seen as a traditional part of teaching. #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:32:14 +0000 |
esolcourses | RT @David__Boughton: @KerrCarolyn e.g. send a video on grammar point. Exercises in class. All the class time is for using the language not teaching it. #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:32:31 +0000 |
David__Boughton | @BobK99 at least Tv gives students chance to relax. Parents are sick of stressed out kids. 9 yr olds shouldn't act like 40 yr olds #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:32:32 +0000 |
SophiaKhan4 | @David__Boughton I'm not sure if we agree or not :) I've never done a "lecture". But this is diff on content-based courses #ELTchat. | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:32:37 +0000 |
Marisa_C | @esolcourses nice idea #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:32:43 +0000 |
theteacherjames | @jorgeguillen Tradition is used as an excuse for many outmoded practices. Do you think it could change? #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:33:25 +0000 |
FrancesEales | RT @KerrCarolyn: #ELTChat - what about reading? I always set readers (e.g. for a week) and we have a fdbck sess in class. | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:33:25 +0000 |
SophiaKhan4 | @theteacherjames @KerrCarolyn Agree. But I think students like some kind of T involvement/acknowledgement - how do u do this? #ELTchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:33:56 +0000 |
esolcourses | Important point to bear in mind when setting work outside class is to vet mats. you direct learners to, & check they are accurate! #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:34:16 +0000 |
David__Boughton | @esolcourses exactly. The exercises should be conversation based. All we do is skip the first P in PPP. #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:34:25 +0000 |
KerrCarolyn | @jorgeguillen #ELTChat - Is HW (i.e.outside class) is a vital part of LEARNING? If SS not motivated to do it, can learning happen? | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:34:29 +0000 |
jeeves_ | BE learners here say the same RT @David__Boughton Parents in Canada are starting to revolt against HW. Ruining precious family time #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:34:36 +0000 |
FrancesEales | #eltchat. In IH London we had class boxes of readers - a sort of mini library, so they cd choose what they wanted each week. | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:34:45 +0000 |
theteacherjames | @SophiaKhan4 @KerrCarolyn In 1:1 classes, I read the book as well if possible, ask questions discuss story, characters etc. #ELTchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:35:12 +0000 |
David__Boughton | @KerrCarolyn I think they should read for leisure, nothing more. #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:35:28 +0000 |
Marisa_C | @FrancesEales i ve used the 'book box' too and extensive reading does indeed help #ELTChat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:35:34 +0000 |
KerrCarolyn | #ELTChat - I ask L's 'how much time a week do you spend doing nothing' - answer is 'zero'. Next Q | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:35:47 +0000 |
theteacherjames | @SophiaKhan4 @KerrCarolyn In groups I set up reading circles: http://t.co/hQSUD2yd #ELTchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:36:06 +0000 |
Marisa_C | @David__Boughton if u haven't heard @skrashen #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:36:10 +0000 |
FrancesEales | #eltchat Also motivating: find their passions: they bring in an article they've found; they give a talk; they teach the class something. | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:36:18 +0000 |
theteacherjames | RT @esolcourses: Important point to bear in mind when setting work outside class is to vet mats. you direct learners to, & check they are accurate! #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:36:28 +0000 |
David__Boughton | @esolcourses that's my current struggle with busy professionals. Barely time to show up to class. #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:36:48 +0000 |
KerrCarolyn | #ELTChat - 'How much time do you spend doing s'thing boring every week' - usually a lot (commute, housework, etc) BINGO there's your HW time | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:36:56 +0000 |
SophiaKhan4 | RT @theteacherjames: @SophiaKhan4 @KerrCarolyn In groups I set up reading circles: http://t.co/hQSUD2yd #ELTchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:36:59 +0000 |
BobK99 | @David__Boughton @SophiaKhan4 #eltchat But what happens in a class where - say - 30% haven't watched the video? | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:37:05 +0000 |
David__Boughton | RT @theteacherjames: @KerrCarolyn I try to encourage all my students to read as much as possible. Find out what they like, lend them books etc. #ELTChat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:37:05 +0000 |
Marisa_C | @David__Boughton if u haven't heard @skrashen talk in istanbul now is a good time - he agrees with the choice principle for L2 acq #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:37:23 +0000 |
esolcourses | RT @BobK99: @David__Boughton @SophiaKhan4 #eltchat But what happens in a class where - say - 30% haven't watched the video? | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:37:31 +0000 |
KerrCarolyn | @David__Boughton @esolcourses #ELTChat are you tempted to tell them to forget it? Aren't they wasting their time? | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:37:31 +0000 |
theteacherjames | @FrancesEales Such a great thing to do, I think. I tried to get my own language teacher to do it, with limited success. #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:37:47 +0000 |
theteacherjames | @FrancesEales Also works well with DVD's. #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:37:59 +0000 |
theteacherjames | RT @David__Boughton: @KerrCarolyn I think they should read for leisure, nothing more. #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:38:15 +0000 |
jorgeguillen | @theteacherjames Definitely, I also think HW has extremely good benefits when well planned and justified though. #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:38:37 +0000 |
KerrCarolyn | @David__Boughton #ELTChat - and do your learners read for leisure spontaneously? | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:38:45 +0000 |
esolcourses | @BobK99 @David__Boughton @SophiaKhan4 you put learners who haven't watched it into groups with the students who have, to discuss #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:39:02 +0000 |
SophiaKhan4 | @KerrCarolyn Agree. But differentiation needed: what you can do sitting on a train is diff to what you can do while mopping a floor #ELTchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:39:14 +0000 |
Marisa_C | @esolcourses good question - perhaps an idea might be 4 class to do sth else while indiv Ss report to T in tutorial mode #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:39:14 +0000 |
David__Boughton | @SophiaKhan4 at some point I think every teacher has to explain. Put it on video for HW and get right to interacting in class. #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:39:19 +0000 |
theteacherjames | @jorgeguillen I agree (depending on the context), but that planning & justifying bit is perhaps not considered enough? #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:39:40 +0000 |
KerrCarolyn | @esolcourses @BobK99 @David__Boughton @SophiaKhan4 #ELTChat - hmm - well can you predict what happens? can you interview other SS who saw it | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:39:44 +0000 |
theteacherjames | RT @FrancesEales: #eltchat Also motivating: find their passions: they bring in an article they've found; they give a talk; they teach the class something. | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:39:48 +0000 |
esolcourses | @esolcourses @BobK99 @David__Boughton @SophiaKhan4 in other words, start with a speaking and listening warm-up activity #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:39:51 +0000 |
BobK99 | @David__Boughton @SophiaKhan4 #eltchat PS - That '30%' estimate was based on my experience at school 50-odd years ago. As a teacher ... 1/2 | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:39:55 +0000 |
FrancesEales | RT @theteacherjames: @FrancesEales Also works well with DVD's. #eltchat And with a fave Youtube clip. People love talking about these. | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:40:09 +0000 |
KerrCarolyn | @SophiaKhan4 #ELTChat - I find mopping to be my best listening time. ITunes U and an a microfibre cloth are my favorite combination | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:40:50 +0000 |
FrancesEales | RT @Marisa_C: Where can I find Krashen talk, Marisa? #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:40:59 +0000 |
Marisa_C | @FrancesEales wait a min will find link #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:41:18 +0000 |
theteacherjames | @David__Boughton @esolcourses That's the kind of situation where HW can't be justified. It's your job to deal with it, alas. #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:41:46 +0000 |
BobK99 | @David__Boughton @SophiaKhan4 #eltchat ...2/2 I used to find a percentage much higher more likely. But I've done very little class teaching | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:41:55 +0000 |
esolcourses | RT @Marisa_C @KerrCarolyn yep - you could do that also. I sometimes do a quick multiple choice quiz on hmwk as a warm-up, in groups #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:41:56 +0000 |
David__Boughton | @Marisa_C sorry I missed the idea about krashen. Elaborate?,I can't figure out how to show conversations on tweetdeck on my phone. #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:42:10 +0000 |
babelannet | RT @KerrCarolyn: @Marisa_C #ELTChat - i think exposure to English outside the classroom is very important and homework is one way - but is it a good way? | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:42:10 +0000 |
theteacherjames | @FrancesEales yes, and I think that's where social media can create a useful platform for sharing content between the sts. #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:42:31 +0000 |
SophiaKhan4 | @KerrCarolyn :) Sure there is some research there on how holding a microfibre cloth increases listening skills then #ELTchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:42:51 +0000 |
Marisa_C | Here is link to @skrashen 's talk http://t.co/mHEKvGjv from the Wired in/out conf in Istanbul #ytuelt skip 1st few mins #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:43:17 +0000 |
FrancesEales | #eltchat Again in UK sts were asked to note bits of language they found interesting e.g on signs or on websites, and bring them to class. | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:43:40 +0000 |
KerrCarolyn | @SophiaKhan4 #ELTChat - I am the research. If my IQ and the shininess of my floors correlate then we have proof! | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:44:09 +0000 |
David__Boughton | @BobK99 @SophiaKhan4 when they cant participate in class, they may start doing HW, but it's not perfect. #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:44:16 +0000 |
FrancesEales | RT @Marisa_C: @David__Boughton if u haven't heard @skrashen talk in istanbul now is a good time - he agrees with the choice principle for L2 acq #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:44:41 +0000 |
SophiaKhan4 | @BobK99 @David__Boughton I don't think hwk with adults has changed much. & if only some sts do it, you can't depend on it as input #ELTchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:44:46 +0000 |
Marisa_C | Some colleagues use a closed ning or similar - or school LMS for Ss to upload HW #eltchat Q is whether tech makes it mor useful #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:45:07 +0000 |
esolcourses | RT @Marisa_C Here is link to @skrashen 's talk http://t.co/LQ6FkcxK from Wired in/out conf in Istanbul #ytuelt skip 1st few mins #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:45:10 +0000 |
SophiaKhan4 | @KerrCarolyn I have really grubby floors...#ELTchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:45:27 +0000 |
FrancesEales | RT @theteacherjames: I think that's where social media can create a useful platform for sharing content between the sts. #eltchat Absolutely | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:45:37 +0000 |
KerrCarolyn | @SophiaKhan4 @BobK99 @David__Boughton #ELTChat - recently asked BE SS to line up according to how easy they found an activity. Then…. | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:46:10 +0000 |
David__Boughton | @KerrCarolyn sure! Put newspapers in the kitchen and lounge and they are always reading them. #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:46:14 +0000 |
esolcourses | @Marisa_C IMO tech can often make it more useful/meaningful, as it allows for instant feedback & collaboration #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:46:31 +0000 |
Marisa_C | RT @esolcourses: @Marisa_C IMO tech can often make it more useful/meaningful, as it allows for instant feedback & collaboration #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:46:43 +0000 |
David__Boughton | RT @esolcourses: @BobK99 @David__Boughton @SophiaKhan4 you put learners who haven't watched it into groups with the students who have, to discuss #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:46:43 +0000 |
KerrCarolyn | @SophiaKhan4 @BobK99 @David__Boughton #ELTChat - I ask them to line up according to how often they did their HW - NO ONE MOVED | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:46:55 +0000 |
Marisa_C | @esolcourses true but can have an LMS packed with busywork too #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:47:05 +0000 |
FrancesEales | RT @esolcourses: @Marisa_C IMO tech #eltchat Sorry, what's IMO tech? | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:47:50 +0000 |
esolcourses | RT @Marisa_C: @esolcourses true but can have an LMS packed with busywork too #eltchat ] true also. Important to be discerning | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:48:06 +0000 |
jorgeguillen | @KerrCarolyn No, of course not. I was just pointing out the traditional role many parents who were educated like that, assign HW. #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:48:20 +0000 |
David__Boughton | RT @Marisa_C: Here is link to @skrashen 's talk http://t.co/mHEKvGjv from the Wired in/out conf in Istanbul #ytuelt skip 1st few mins #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:48:38 +0000 |
KerrCarolyn | @jorgeguillen I have to confess I do think work on language outside of class is a vital part of Learning. #ELTChat. is it just me? | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:50:10 +0000 |
SophiaKhan4 | RT @KerrCarolyn: @jorgeguillen I have to confess I do think work on language outside of class is a vital part of Learning. #ELTChat. is it just me? | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:51:55 +0000 |
baanderson | RT @Marisa_C: Here is link to @skrashen 's talk http://t.co/mHEKvGjv from the Wired in/out conf in Istanbul #ytuelt skip 1st few mins #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:52:10 +0000 |
SophiaKhan4 | @KerrCarolyn @jorgeguillen Those who really engage with the L2 in & out of class will do better. But we have no right to force ppl #ELTchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:53:10 +0000 |
David__Boughton | Just saw on the news the Pope sent his first tweet. Will he be joining #eltchat next week? | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:53:17 +0000 |
esolcourses | Sorry folks - have to dash off early, but I've really enjoyed today's #eltchat - thanks for a stimulating and interesting discussion! | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:54:05 +0000 |
KerrCarolyn | @SophiaKhan4 @jorgeguillen #ELTChat - Agree - no right to force and the obligation to encourage!!! | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:54:06 +0000 |
FrancesEales | RT @KerrCarolyn: @jorgeguillen #ELTChat As a learner, I know it's important to go over work - in order to retain. Can be done by hwk. | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:54:13 +0000 |
theteacherjames | @KerrCarolyn @jorgeguillen I agree, but what that work is is very open to question. #ELTChat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:54:50 +0000 |
EwaMalicka_ELT | RT @esolcourses: RT @Marisa_C: May I share a ppt presentation i did at Istek schools recently http://t.co/a9G1YDoJ Homework or Busywork? #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:55:17 +0000 |
SophiaKhan4 | RT @KerrCarolyn: @SophiaKhan4 @jorgeguillen #ELTChat - Agree - no right to force and the obligation to encourage!!! | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:55:29 +0000 |
KerrCarolyn | @SophiaKhan4 @BobK99 @David__Boughton #ELTChat - Yes HW needs a bit of a PR job - and we need to think about what HW works well | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:56:00 +0000 |
Marisa_C | @esolcourses thanks for joining Sue always great to have you on #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:56:03 +0000 |
EwaMalicka_ELT | RT @Marisa_C: Here is link to @skrashen 's talk http://t.co/mHEKvGjv from the Wired in/out conf in Istanbul #ytuelt skip 1st few mins #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:56:19 +0000 |
BobK99 | MT @KerrCarolyn: @SophiaKhan4 @BobK99 @David__Boughton #ELTChat - ... asked BE SS to line up acc to how easy they found an activity. Then…. | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:56:25 +0000 |
jorgeguillen | @KerrCarolyn No, I'm sure more than one may agree with you. I think it is essential in many contexts and unavoidable in others. #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:56:28 +0000 |
Marisa_C | FOUR mins beofre the end of #ELTchat and be4 u all dash off too - who would like the honour of the summary writing pls? | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:56:47 +0000 |
David__Boughton | Thanks as always #eltchat. Time for work. Have a great week, and happy teaching! | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:57:40 +0000 |
theteacherjames | RT @Marisa_C: FOUR mins beofre the end of #ELTchat and be4 u all dash off too - who would like the honour of the summary writing pls? | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:57:48 +0000 |
BobK99 | MT @KerrCarolyn: @SophiaKhan4 @BobK99 @David__Boughton #ELTChat - I ask them to line up acc to how often they did their HW - NO ONE MOVED >! | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:57:57 +0000 |
cybraryman1 | My HW Debate page http://t.co/LzavAwRG You really want students to do extended learning on their own #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:58:29 +0000 |
FrancesEales | #eltchat In adult classes I often set different hwk for individuals depending on their needs/interests, e.g. listening practice or grammar. | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:58:44 +0000 |
JALTConference | RT @michaelegriffin: Gr8 #Auselt summary on chat about Improving Ss' speaking confidence http://t.co/waNfn7uW … #keltchat #eltchat HT @GuvenCagdas | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:58:46 +0000 |
SophiaKhan4 | RT @FrancesEales: #eltchat In adult classes I often set different hwk for individuals depending on their needs/interests, e.g. listening practice or grammar. | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:59:19 +0000 |
EwaMalicka_ELT | RT @FrancesEales: #eltchat In the UK it's v motivating to set speaking hwk where sts interview host families or other sts on lesson topic and report back. | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:59:34 +0000 |
FrancesEales | #eltchat Wish I could, but two concerts, one party to organise, 40 exam papers to mark... over next four days! | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 13:00:00 +0000 |
KerrCarolyn | @FrancesEales #ELTChat - different HW depending on L needs - sounds good - is it more effective? | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 13:00:14 +0000 |
theteacherjames | @FrancesEales Wow, good luck with that! #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 13:00:16 +0000 |
BobK99 | MT @KerrCarolyn: @jorgeguillen ... I do think work on lang outside class is a vital part of Learning. #ELTChat... just me? > Of course not! | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 13:00:28 +0000 |
jorgeguillen | @KerrCarolyn @SophiaKhan4 Totally true! We must encourage and also try to let or SS know why we're doing what we're doing. #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 13:01:08 +0000 |
SophiaKhan4 | Thanks #ELTchat and @Marisa_C - on hols next wk so no summarythis time, sorry...Did @ELTExperiences say he would or was that the other chat? | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 13:01:21 +0000 |
theteacherjames | Anyone fancy a little homework and write the summary for us? It's a good revision opportunity! #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 13:01:39 +0000 |
Marisa_C | @SophiaKhan4 i can't remember but thx for tip will ask him #ELTchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 13:02:05 +0000 |
FrancesEales | RT @KerrCarolyn: @FrancesEales #ELTChat - different HW depending on L needs - is it more effective? Yes + they're more likely to do it. | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 13:02:32 +0000 |
KerrCarolyn | @Marisa_C @SophiaKhan4 #ELTChat - that's okay, I can do it, just need to hope the dog doesn't eat it again | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 13:02:51 +0000 |
Marisa_C | Thank you all for joining us and thanks th @KerrCarolyn for offering to do the summary - u did a grand job last time!!! #eltchat | Wed, 12 Dec 2012 13:03:25 +0000 |