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Marisa_C

"How can you make teaching useful for reluctant young learners? "  This is the topic we will be discussing on #ELTchat in TWO mins! Ready?

  11:58:56

SophiaKhan4

For the next hour I will be participating in #ELTchat, please ignore if not interested in chatting about ELT. Thanks :)

  12:00:01  

SophiaKhan4

RT @Marisa_C: "How can you make teaching useful for reluctant young learners? "  This is the topic we will be discussing on #ELTchat in TWO mins! Ready?

  12:00:11  

esolcourses

RT @Marisa_C "How can you make teaching useful for reluctant young learners? " This is the topic we will be discussing 4 next hour #ELTchat

  12:01:28  

Marisa_C

Welcome to #ELTchat - is the topic setter here please?

  12:01:29  

OUPELTGlobal

hello everyone - reluctant young learners? I ike this topic  #eltchat

  12:01:39  

MrChrisJWilson

For the next hour I'll either be really boring or really interesting...depending on if you like #eltchat or not. (sorry if you don't)

  12:02:18  

Marisa_C

First Question - How young is young in the question - and is this specific to an educational setting or  a general observation? #Eltchat

  12:02:33  

esolcourses

Rarely teach young learners myself, so I'll mostly be lurking during this #ELTchat, and following with interest :-)

  12:02:54  

Marisa_C

@esolcourses good to have lurkers like yourself Sue :-)  #ELTchat

  12:03:15  

OUPELTGlobal

I've taught 3-year-olds upwards #eltchat

  12:04:18  

SophiaKhan4

@esolcourses #ELTchat same here. But I do have 2 young learners of my own who are not really willing to speak French in the bath every day.

  12:04:27  

esolcourses

@Marisa_C cheers Marisa! Always something new to learn from #Eltchat :-) may be context specific. In UK ESOL, term YL's used 14-19 age group

  12:04:33  

Marisa_C

@OUPELTGlobal and were they unwilling or reluctant to learn English? #eltchat

  12:04:54  

Marisa_C

@SophiaKhan4 are they learners or your own kinds raised to be bilingual - talking about formal or informal teaching-learning? #ELTchat

  12:05:36  

GetAheadinEng

#eltchat Interesting topic! Will try to follow...

  12:05:39  

BobK99

@Marisa_C  #ELTchat I'll mostly be lurking like @esolcourses. Last YL I had was Easter 2008 ;)

  12:05:40  

Marisa_C

@SophiaKhan4 kids i meant  #ELTchat

  12:05:50  

OUPELTGlobal

@Marisa_C the reluctant ones were reluctant to learn in general - didn't feel comfortable in school #eltchat

  12:06:09  

Marisa_C

@BobK99 good to see you here #ELTchat

  12:06:13  

Marisa_C

@OUPELTGlobal Ok thanks  #eltchat

  12:06:32  

teflgeek

HI all #eltchat.  Sorry I'm late - what's the topic?

  12:06:38  

theteacherjames

RT @esolcourses: @Marisa_C Always something new to learn from #Eltchat. In UK ESOL, term YL's used 14-19 age group.

  12:06:56  

Marisa_C

@teflgeek  reluctant YLs and how to engage & motivate them #eltchat

  12:06:59  

SophiaKhan4

@Marisa_C Ha, yes my kids. Hoping for tips from tonight's chat :) But believe same issues can apply with very young learners. #ELTchat

  12:07:27  

Marisa_C

YLs can start from pre-school where all play and say really - I don't see how they can be reluctant to do that #ELTchat

  12:07:41  

SophiaKhan4

RT @OUPELTGlobal: @Marisa_C the reluctant ones were reluctant to learn in general - didn't feel comfortable in school #eltchat

  12:08:10  

nroberts88

I teach a lot of YL and sometimes with reluctant ss its best to focus on the ones who want to learn. #ELTchat

  12:08:26  

JoHart

@esolcourses #ELTchat Thank you I was wondering about age group - I too would think of YLs as 14-19 coming from UK FE background

  12:08:31  

OUPELTGlobal

RT @Marisa_C: YLs can start from pre-school where all play and say  - I don't see how they can be reluctant to do that #ELTchat #eltchat

  12:08:49  

Marisa_C

@JoHart age range is much wider  #ELTchat

  12:08:53  

prese1

Hi everyone. I have some YL (11-13) who are reluctant to speak English in class. #eltchat

  12:09:01  

SophiaKhan4

@nroberts88 That's interesting Nicholas. How young are they? #ELTChat

  12:09:36  

teflgeek

Age boundaries are tricky - how about differentiating between VYLs, YLs, and Teens? #eltchat

  12:09:38  

theteacherjames

Don't really know anything about this subject, so I'm wondering if you need to teach them without them realising. By stealth? #eltchat

  12:09:38  

yitzha_sarwono

RT @Marisa_C: YLs can start from pre-school where all play and say really - I don't see how they can be reluctant to do that #ELTchat

  12:09:47  

Marisa_C

I think YL teachers need to know MORE than Ts of adult ELT learners - much more #ELTchat but sadly most elt courses do not equip #eltchat

  12:09:47  

BobK99

RT @Marisa_C: YLs can start from pre-school where all play and say really - I don't see how they can be reluctant to do that #ELTchat

  12:09:54  

KerrCarolyn

#ELTchat  I tend to think of three groups 'pre-literacy', Early  (literate in L1, but acquiring L2) up to about 11 then the rest are 'YL's

  12:10:10  

Marisa_C

RT @teflgeek: Age boundaries are tricky - how about differentiating between VYLs, YLs, and Teens? #eltchat > Please LET"s!

  12:10:11  

SophiaKhan4

RT @Marisa_C: YLs can start from pre-school where all play and say really - I don't see how they can be reluctant to do that #ELTchat

  12:10:14  

OUPELTGlobal

A positive, safe learning environment is very important, where mistakes are seen as part of learning #eltchat

  12:10:17  

JoHart

@Marisa_C #Eltchat - I was trying to decide whether to join is as my only exp with under 14s is Pony Club :)

  12:10:21  

yitzha_sarwono

RT @Marisa_C: I think YL teachers need to know MORE than Ts of adult ELT learners - much more #ELTchat but sadly most elt courses do not equip #eltchat

  12:10:29  

esolcourses

RT @Marisa_C: YLs can start from pre-school where all play and say really - I don't see how they can be reluctant to do that #ELTchat

  12:10:29  

SophiaKhan4

RT @prese1: Hi everyone. I have some YL (11-13) who are reluctant to speak English in class. #eltchat

  12:10:35  

Marisa_C

RT @OUPELTGlobal: A positive, safe learning environment is very important, where mistakes are seen as part of learning #eltchat > excellent

  12:10:35  

yitzha_sarwono

RT @OUPELTGlobal: A positive, safe learning environment is very important, where mistakes are seen as part of learning #eltchat

  12:10:47  

SophiaKhan4

RT @OUPELTGlobal: A positive, safe learning environment is very important, where mistakes are seen as part of learning #eltchat

  12:10:55  

theteacherjames

RT @KerrCarolyn: #ELTchat  I tend to think of three groups 'pre-literacy', Early  (literate in L1, but acquiring L2) up to about 11 then the rest are 'YL's

  12:10:58  

Marisa_C

We can do a lot of damage by not knowing how YLs & VYLs tick! #ELTchat

  12:11:08  

JoHart

RT @Marisa_C: RT @teflgeek: Age boundaries are tricky - how about differentiating between VYLs, YLs, and Teens? #eltchat > Please LET"s!

  12:11:12  

SophiaKhan4

RT @teflgeek: Age boundaries are tricky - how about differentiating between VYLs, YLs, and Teens? #eltchat

  12:11:18  

theteacherjames

RT @OUPELTGlobal: A positive safe learning environment is important where mistakes are seen as part of learning #eltchat > For adults too!

  12:11:46  

OUPELTGlobal

RT @Marisa_C: We can do a lot of damage by not knowing how YLs & VYLs tick! #ELTchat #eltchat

  12:11:46  

SophiaKhan4

@teflgeek Yes, I agree with this. Each age bracket is a quite different...#ELTChat

  12:11:49  

nroberts88

I only teach them for a hour a week, if I focus on the reluctant ones its easy to ignore the ones who want to be there #eltchat

  12:11:56  

Marisa_C

Jean Piaget has written a lot about the diff developmental stages & cognitive abilities in children - familiar? #eltchat

  12:11:57  

yitzha_sarwono

Ny students are 4-5 yrs old. I use songs, gestures, drama play to get them to talk and by far they are the most enthusiast of all #eltchat

  12:11:58  

buckyacademics

I think a good way to motivate YLs is competition. Boys v. girls always works in class activities! #eltchat

  12:12:19  

GetAheadinEng

RT @OUPELTGlobal A positive, safe learning environment is very important, where mistakes are seen as part of learning #eltchat <--definitely

  12:12:20  

Marisa_C

RT @yitzha_sarwono: Ny students are 4-5 yrs old. I use songs, gestures, drama play to get them to talk & they re enthusiatic #eltchat

  12:12:38  

SophiaKhan4

@OUPELTGlobal I agree - although true of any age to some extent? #ELTchat

  12:12:48  

teflgeek

For me (and not based on any evidence!) VYLs are six and under, YLs are seven to 13 and teens 14 and over! #eltchat

  12:12:53  

Marisa_C

@buckyacademics but boys vs girls can be a bad start in life :-D  #eltchat

  12:13:03  

JoHart

#ELTchat With teens - use technol eg their phones, Voki, Voicethread

  12:13:14  

yitzha_sarwono

oops! it's 'my' not 'Ny'! gosh typo #eltchat

  12:13:49  

BobK99

RT @Marisa_C: We can do a lot of damage by not knowing how YLs & VYLs tick! #ELTchat > 'Give me a 9-yr-old & I'll screw him up for good'!

  12:14:10  

SophiaKhan4

RT @JoHart: #ELTchat With teens - use technol eg their phones, Voki, Voicethread

  12:14:14  

Marisa_C

@KerrCarolyn wikipedia has a very good entry on that - start point http://t.co/bHSwK9Z1 #ELTchat

  12:14:52  

OUPELTGlobal

For me, a sense of achievement always worked best, learning a song and then teaching it to your family, for example #eltchat

  12:15:00  

GetAheadinEng

@SophiaKhan4 @OUPELTGlobal Also very true! Think YLs/Teens can sometimes be more sensitive about making mistakes though. #eltchat

  12:15:09  

KerrCarolyn

@JoHart #ELTchat - Does it depend on the person? Do we assume all kids love tech?

  12:15:15  

Marisa_C

@BobK99 ha ha  #ELTchat

  12:15:52  

SophiaKhan4

@GetAheadinEng @OUPELTGlobal Yes very fragile age for self-esteem #ELTchat

  12:16:06  

yitzha_sarwono

@buckyacademics maybe,but I find with Indonesian culture,it's a bit tricky because when they lost, they might not want to try again #eltchat

  12:16:20  

buckyacademics

@Marisa_C Depends how old. Making activities competitive doesnt have to mean teams based on gender, but it does increase motivation #eltchat

  12:16:26  

JoHart

#ELTchat Adolescent (teens) learners so different from VYL, YL on one side && adults on other - teens maybe have characteristics from both

  12:16:36  

KerrCarolyn

@SophiaKhan4 @OUPELTGlobal #ELTChat - Question - should we be correcting mistakes with kids at all? For exam takers, okay, but otherwise?

  12:16:40  

pjgallantry

#ELTchat how does age alter motivation, and where would you say the 'age motivation boundaries' are?

  12:16:52  

GetAheadinEng

Teens I have taught have enjoyed using computers, mobiles etc. Competition also works well. #eltchat

  12:16:58  

teflgeek

I guess it also depends on WHY the kids are reluctant?  Maybe they just don't want to be there and their parents are making them? #eltchat

  12:17:15  

Marisa_C

@buckyacademics I would argue that competitiveness must be balanced agnst collaboration; YLs naturally self-centred & need training #eltchat

  12:17:38  

KerrCarolyn

@pjgallantry #ELTchat. Lang acquisition is very different according to the brain stage of the child

  12:17:40  

yitzha_sarwono

@buckyacademics when I have games in class, I make sure everyone gets a chance to win, or even have a draw, that works better :) #eltchat

  12:17:52  

JoHart

@KerrCarolyn #ELTchat Not assuming love it but assuming a degree of familiarity that makes it easier for them to be confident

  12:17:53  

Marisa_C

@teflgeek very good point - forced to take english lessons - no intrisic motivation but TASK motivation can engage  #eltchat

  12:18:14  

prese1

@OUPELTGlobal  is it true that kids < 12 don't learn from mistakes ...praise is more effective?  #eltchat

  12:18:21  

GetAheadinEng

@teflgeek Have seen this a lot... Becomes much more difficult then #eltchat

  12:18:21  

JoHart

RT @GetAheadinEng: Teens I have taught have enjoyed using computers, mobiles etc. Competition also works well. #eltchat

  12:18:25  

OUPELTGlobal

@KerrCarolyn For me, as they feel safe in class, correcting mistakes is seen as part of the learning process. YLs shdnt feel judged #eltchat

  12:18:44  

Marisa_C

@prese1 positive reinforcement accompanied by praise works miracels #eltchat

  12:18:46  

KerrCarolyn

@JoHart #ELTChat. Agree but I worry about creating a social divide. Also parents have v diff attitudes to using tech out of class

  12:18:47  

teflgeek

and positive reinforcement is a handy tool - praising the things they get right rather than what they do wrong #eltchat

  12:19:13  

KerrCarolyn

@OUPELTGlobal #ELTChat - Yes a mistake can be a good thing if there is no judgement

  12:19:30  

SophiaKhan4

@yitzha_sarwono @buckyacademics Tend to agree, competition definitely motivating but 'not winning' can backfire if not handled well #ELTChat

  12:19:35  

Marisa_C

@KerrCarolyn good point - many parents oppose or are indifferent - parent are KEY #ELTChat

  12:19:41  

SophiaKhan4

RT @prese1: @OUPELTGlobal  is it true that kids < 12 don't learn from mistakes ...praise is more effective?  #eltchat

  12:19:59  

KerrCarolyn

@teflgeek positive reinforcement #eltchat Lashings and Lashings of it!!!

  12:20:03  

GetAheadinEng

@KerrCarolyn Very true - and how often do parents want to have a say in what happens in the classroom? #eltchat

  12:20:06  

Marisa_C

RT @KerrCarolyn: @teflgeek positive reinforcement #eltchat Lashings and Lashings of it!!! >YES

  12:20:16  

buckyacademics

@yitzha_sarwono that can make them even more reluctant though if they know no-one will 'win' #eltchat

  12:20:17  

pjgallantry

@KerrCarolyn #ELTchat of course, but when do you think motivation actually becomes an important feature for Lang acquisition/learning?

  12:20:38  

JoHart

@KerrCarolyn #ELTchat I think any classroom strategy can create a divide - the key for me is to use many different ones

  12:20:47  

OUPELTGlobal

@prese1 Yes, I think praise is more effective. It leads YLs to correct themselves as they compare their language with a model. #eltchat

  12:21:02  

Marisa_C

Parents do a wonderful job a teaching a child their language - many great lessons there - esp being DELIGHTED whn YLS talk! #Eltchat

  12:21:14  

tamaslorincz

Great conversation. The biggest challenge with teenagers is that it's the age group when they need the mos individual attention. #ELTChat

  12:21:26  

brigidwheel

Using IPads / iPhones in ESL #ELTchat http://t.co/F1vCiW2m

  12:21:52  

Marisa_C

RT @l_znur:   Collaborative activities are helpful for young learners to develop positive attitudes among themselves. #ELTchat

  12:22:13  

KerrCarolyn

@pjgallantry #ELTchat - hmm 'motivation' - for those who are acquiring fun, progress and reward seems to work. L's have to like it I think

  12:22:27  

JoHart

@tamaslorincz Also the age where they need to be collaborating and sharing :) #ELTchat

  12:22:27  

SophiaKhan4

@prese1 @OUPELTGlobal My exp limited but VYL/YL seem 2 focus on doing, don't seem to hear verbal correction. Tests r different tho. #ELTchat

  12:22:28  

Marisa_C

@l_znur remember to add the #ELTchat hashtag to ur tweets :-)

  12:22:30  

buckyacademics

#eltchat Using topics YLs are interested in anyway will increase motivation. It is so important. You won't learn if you don't want to learn.

  12:22:38  

esolcourses

RT @Marisa_C: RT @l_znur:   Collaborative activities are helpful for young learners to develop positive attitudes among themselves. #ELTchat

  12:22:40  

GetAheadinEng

RT @Marisa_C: RT @l_znur:   Collaborative activities are helpful for young learners to develop positive attitudes among themselves. #ELTchat

  12:23:10  

David__Boughton

Morning #eltchat. Looks like young learners is the topic today. Not my area, but it sure is a major part if the industry.

  12:23:13  

teflgeek

@buckyacademics and isn't it stranger how far off the mark topics in coursebooks often are! #eltchat

  12:23:18  

yitzha_sarwono

@buckyacademics well, actually when they feel like everyone wins, they feel better and braver. Like i said, it's our culture #eltchat

  12:23:21  

tamaslorincz

I think it's the age when you can't really treat them as groups anymore. They are individuals who want to be treated as such. #ELTChat

  12:23:25  

Marisa_C

@buckyacademics fully agree there  #eltchat also remembering what they CAN or CANNOT do at their stage of cognitive development

  12:23:36  

prese1

RT @teflgeek: @buckyacademics and isn't it stranger how far off the mark topics in coursebooks often are! #eltchat

  12:23:40  

OUPELTGlobal

@SophiaKhan4 agree, YLs learn by doing, a song, a game a small project - language is a means not the end #eltchat

  12:24:21  

Marisa_C

@yitzha_sarwono you can increase collaboration by getting teams to win  #eltchat

  12:24:24  

yitzha_sarwono

@l_znur @Marisa_C yes! My students love doing voicethread and animoto together. They feel very empower that way :) #eltchat

  12:24:29  

Marisa_C

RT @OUPELTGlobal: @SophiaKhan4 agree, YLs learn by doing, a song, a game a small project - language is a means not the end #eltchat >perfect

  12:24:46  

GetAheadinEng

Haven't taught YLs, but with teens: topics that interest them, short&varied tasks, use of tech are things that have worked for me. #eltchat

  12:24:47  

KerrCarolyn

@Marisa_C Parents DELIGHTED whn YLS talk L1 #Eltchat Watch adults with  early vocalizers. No correction, loads of scaffolding tons of praise

  12:25:11  

JoHart

#ELTchat with teens & literacy I try to customise as much as possbile. Blogs are good as they write/speak for authentic audience

  12:25:21  

buckyacademics

@teflgeek Completely! I find it best to respond to the class you're teaching and be sure to deal with emergent language dogme style #eltchat

  12:25:27  

prese1

@Marisa_C @yitzha_sarwono my 9 yr olds liked "class vs teacher" #lol  #eltchat

  12:25:27  

Marisa_C

with teens brainstorming topics or a questionnaire may help - what WE like may be old hat to them #Eltchat

  12:25:33  

tamaslorincz

@JoHart #ELTChat. Absolutely but by acknowledging their own individual contribution to the process, instead of being of of many.

  12:25:42  

Marisa_C

@KerrCarolyn YES!  #Eltchat

  12:25:54  

KerrCarolyn

@GetAheadinEng #ELTchat. I like regular updates from them on their own objectives and which topics they like. Voting too is fun

  12:26:15  

esolcourses

@DAFCampaign (Disabled Access Friendly) has some gr8 resources for YL's to challenge them & get them to think http://t.co/sYSa4HtS #ELTChat

  12:26:27  

esolcourses

RT @Marisa_C: with teens brainstorming topics or a questionnaire may help - what WE like may be old hat to them #Eltchat ] good point!

  12:26:57  

teflgeek

@buckyacademics it leads to some slightly odd conversations - but LOTS of motivated meaningful language!  #eltchat

  12:27:03  

Marisa_C

I think inevitable teaching YLs also involves teaching them to think #eltchat

  12:27:07  

SophiaKhan4

@KerrCarolyn @OUPELTGlobal Well...It's all in the 'how you do it' I think. & also the 'whether you expect them to take any notice' #ELTChat

  12:27:17  

Marisa_C

#eltchat inevitably

  12:27:19  

esolcourses

RT @Marisa_C: I think inevitable teaching YLs also involves teaching them to think #eltchat

  12:27:31  

JoHart

#ELTchat Have skype chats with similar aged ESL stdnts in other countries, or bring in guest from another country to answer Qs

  12:27:34  

David__Boughton

@OUPELTGlobal good point but that should be true for everyone I hope. #eltchat

  12:27:35  

teflgeek

RT @Marisa_C: I think inevitable teaching YLs also involves teaching them to think #eltchat - Yep!  Critical thinking v. important!

  12:27:51  

buckyacademics

@Marisa_C Agreed! At that age they love to talk about themselves so personalising all lesson stages really works #eltchat

  12:28:11  

OUPELTGlobal

@David__Boughton Yes, I agree #eltchat

  12:28:23  

KerrCarolyn

@SophiaKhan4 @OUPELTGlobal Good Point #ELTChat - It's their language. They don't like the third person s, fine by me =)

  12:28:51  

Marisa_C

RT @buckyacademics: At that age they love to talk about themselves so personalising all lesson stages really works #eltchat

  12:28:52  

GuvenCagdas

RT @teflgeek: RT @Marisa_C: I think inevitable teaching YLs also involves teaching them to think #eltchat - Yep!  Critical thinking v. important!

  12:28:56  

OUPELTGlobal

@esolcourses I think teaching YLs is always teaching the whole child #eltchat

  12:29:04  

esolcourses

RT @tamaslorincz The biggest challenge with teenagers is that it's the age group when they need the most individual attention. #ELTChat

  12:29:05  

BobK99

RT @KerrCarolyn: #ELTchat. I like regular updates from them on their own objectives.... Voting too is fun > IWB good for this (I've HEARD)

  12:29:29  

GetAheadinEng

@JoHart @JoHart Good idea - I did this with a class in Germany when I was an assistant and they loved it! #eltchat

  12:29:40  

KerrCarolyn

#ELTChat - are there certain things that are harder to get YL's to do? Writing, Reading etc?

  12:29:49  

OUPELTGlobal

@KerrCarolyn I've heard third person -s is one of the last things native speakers learn  #eltchat

  12:30:05  

esolcourses

@OUPELTGlobal yes. Agree. Same goes for adults really, I'd say. #eltchat

  12:30:12  

WillLakeESL

Teaching YL needs variation. I try to work in 5 minute slots. They lose interest so quickly. but if they like, I change it to 10m #eltchat

  12:30:25  

Marisa_C

RT @esolcourses: @OUPELTGlobal yes. Agree. Same goes for adults really, I'd say. #eltchat > very true!

  12:30:32  

esolcourses

RT @JoHart: #ELTchat with teens & literacy I try to customise as much as possbile. Blogs are good as they write/speak for authentic audience

  12:30:34  

teflgeek

@KerrCarolyn there are things YLs perceive as more boring than others - but you just have to chose the right task #eltchat

  12:30:39  

Marisa_C

RT @WillLakeESL: Teaching YL needs variation.5 minute slots. They lose interest so quickly. but if they like, I change it to 10m #eltchat

  12:30:53  

theteacherjames

RT @KerrCarolyn: #ELTChat - are there certain things that are harder to get YL's to do? Writing, Reading etc?

  12:31:03  

Marisa_C

@WillLakeESL 5 min stages or slots importnt because of short attention span  #eltchat

  12:31:16  

OUPELTGlobal

@KerrCarolyn I think if you set up a natural context for them and hekp them achieve, they will learn almost anything #eltchat

  12:31:20  

David__Boughton

@Marisa_C @buckyacademics  is there any age of students (or people) who don't like talking about themselves? Lol. #eltchat

  12:31:30  

SophiaKhan4

@KerrCarolyn @OUPELTGlobal Me too. Even 20 years later :) #ELTchat

  12:31:34  

WillLakeESL

I try to get topics that teenagers are interested in, but it's difficult to find a topic the whole class likes! #eltchat

  12:31:41  

cybraryman1

My What Students Want page: http://t.co/t7ypLwdH Motivating/Engaging Students: http://t.co/EMvUhEH4 #edchat #eltchat

  12:31:41  

Marisa_C

So changing the same activity and doing it a different way is also a good tactic #Eltchat

  12:31:41  

JoHart

@KerrCarolyn #ELTchat ime teens don't like to read doesn't match the multi-sensory input they are used to

  12:31:44  

buckyacademics

@fionamau Did a great webinar on teaching teens. Best to get YLs involved in the learning process. Feed their curiousity! #eltchat

  12:32:02  

Marisa_C

@David__Boughton  #eltchat  Not really - but sm adults or teens may be reluctant to do it

  12:32:07  

yitzha_sarwono

@Marisa_C what I also notice here is that they don't like to be corrected on the spot. So I usually just do it in general #eltchat

  12:32:07  

KerrCarolyn

@GetAheadinEng @JoHart #ELTChat - Encourage virtual teen romance. Teen boy told his mum he needed contact lenses for English Lessons w Skype

  12:32:08  

BobK99

RT @Marisa_C: I think inevitable teaching YLs ... #eltchat > Don't we aim for inevitable learning? :)

  12:32:16  

SophiaKhan4

RT @KerrCarolyn: #ELTChat - are there certain things that are harder to get YL's to do? Writing, Reading etc?

  12:32:18  

prese1

@Marisa_C @BobK99 It's easier when both parents are constantly speaking the target language #eltchat

  12:32:29  

Marisa_C

RT @prese1: @Marisa_C @BobK99 It's easier when both parents are constantly speaking the target language #eltchat >true

  12:32:43  

KerrCarolyn

@GetAheadinEng @JoHart #ELTchat. Bless him - his chat friend did her make up especially too!!

  12:32:48  

David__Boughton

@KerrCarolyn with teens I have taught I find peer feedback difficult. #eltchat

  12:32:53  

Begabungs

RT @cybraryman1: My What Students Want page: http://t.co/t7ypLwdH Motivating/Engaging Students: http://t.co/EMvUhEH4 #edchat #eltchat

  12:33:07  

Marisa_C

L1 acquisition occurs in a safe environment with rich, varied, simplified and supportive language input by parents #Eltchat

  12:33:19  

WillLakeESL

@Marisa_C - Yes, but sometimes they get hooked on something, so there is a need to be flexible and extend it if need be. #eltchat.

  12:33:20  

teflgeek

RT @David__Boughton: @KerrCarolyn with teens I have taught I find peer feedback difficult. #eltchat - yes!  fear of criticism

  12:33:24  

KerrCarolyn

@David__Boughton #ELTchat. Yes agree. I think giving feedback is quite a skill. I find myself having to help BusEng adults to do that well

  12:33:52  

JoHart

#ELTchat use a virtual class w whiteboard eg Blackboard Collab or similar so students can all brainstorm/input onto same board anonomously

  12:33:54  

Marisa_C

We cannot replicate L1 acquisition in terms on QUANTITY of input but may other aspects of it #ELTchat

  12:33:55  

SophiaKhan4

@WillLakeESL True, hard to focus for long periods on one thing. Possibly more for boys than girls, do you find? #eltchat

  12:34:04  

OUPELTGlobal

@Marisa_C Yes, but when parents don't speak the language, the child becomes the teacher - a motivating role reversal #eltchat

  12:34:11  

Marisa_C

@WillLakeESL fully agree #eltchat

  12:34:29  

David__Boughton

@WillLakeESL yes and you have to be careful with cliches (e.g. technology, pop music).,#eltchat

  12:34:38  

Marisa_C

@OUPELTGlobal that' s interesting - no experience of that but can see how it might motivate #eltchat

  12:34:54  

buckyacademics

@teflgeek @David__Boughton @KerrCarolyn You can make peer feedback a game = more motivating. #eltchat

  12:35:21  

Marisa_C

RT @buckyacademics: @teflgeek @David__Boughton @KerrCarolyn You can make peer feedback a game = more motivating. #eltchat

  12:36:09  

yitzha_sarwono

RT @Marisa_C: We cannot replicate L1 acquisition in terms on QUANTITY of input but may other aspects of it #ELTchat

  12:36:19  

WillLakeESL

@SophiaKhan4 Yes!. But depends on the activity. I find boys prefer to be more active, whereas the girls are a little more passive. #eltchat

  12:36:25  

SophiaKhan4

@nroberts88 Multitude of issues...You have to go with the needs of the many, not the few, overall. Why are some demotivated?  #ELTChat

  12:36:55  

teflgeek

anyone else find that YLs tend to prefer competitive activities to collaborative? #eltchat

  12:37:07  

buckyacademics

@David__Boughton @WillLakeESL You can ask the Ss. Start with sth you know they'll all be into then adapt as you get to know them #eltchat

  12:37:45  

teflgeek

@buckyacademics @David__Boughton @KerrCarolyn or you can anonymise (?) their written work for peer feedback #eltchat

  12:37:46  

David__Boughton

@buckyacademics @teflgeek @KerrCarolyn   how so? Could you elaborate? #eltchat

  12:37:53  

WillLakeESL

@David__Boughton I often try to group the students for activities depending on their 'likes/dislikes'. If possible! #eltchat

  12:37:59  

buckyacademics

RT @teflgeek: anyone else find that YLs tend to prefer competitive activities to collaborative? #eltchat

  12:38:00  

SophiaKhan4

@WillLakeESL Yes, not sure passive is the right word but girls better at quiet, focused activities that require sitting in one spot #Eltchat

  12:38:28  

David__Boughton

@teflgeek yes! #eltchat

  12:38:38  

OUPELTGlobal

@teflgeek I think YLs like to win. They don't necessarily need someone else to lose #eltchat

  12:38:43  

WillLakeESL

@teflgeek Yes! The more competitive the more they love it! A bit of 'healthy competition' never hurts! #eltchat

  12:39:02  

JoHart

@teflgeek #ELTchat I find teen males can be v competitive esp if teen girls present and "egg them on"

  12:39:07  

prese1

@teflgeek my 8-10 like collaborative whereas the older ones seem to become more competitive #eltchat

  12:39:11  

teflgeek

@David__Boughton @buckyacademics @KerrCarolyn well, you can extract sentences from everyone's work for correction, type them out.  #eltchat

  12:39:15  

Marisa_C

@WillLakeESL  #Eltchat  team names - slogans-raps - chants - rhymes-logos-badges- also help build solidarity & group cohesion

  12:39:16  

KerrCarolyn

@teflgeek @David__Boughton @buckyacademics #ELTChat - nice idea. Will do that

  12:39:55  

buckyacademics

@David__Boughton @teflgeek @KerrCarolyn Good lang usage and errors on slips, they decide which is which & put in correct column #eltchat

  12:39:57  

teflgeek

@OUPELTGlobal yes - it can be fun to let them all gang up on you:  "beat the teacher" #eltchat

  12:40:04  

whippler

@SwanDOS #ELTChat seems to be on at the moment.  I think you might have something to contribute.

  12:40:27  

buckyacademics

@JoHart @teflgeek So true! #eltchat

  12:40:31  

David__Boughton

@buckyacademics @WillLakeESL  yes which is why student input is key as echoed by other tweets today.  I agree. #eltchat

  12:40:33  

yitzha_sarwono

@WillLakeESL @SophiaKhan4 agree to that. Timing is important and boys are a bunch of bouncing ball! :D #eltchat

  12:40:40  

KerrCarolyn

#ELTChat - Has anyone ever tried whole brain teaching with kids?

  12:40:58  

Marisa_C

RT @KerrCarolyn: #ELTChat - Has anyone ever tried whole brain teaching with kids? > no but have observed it

  12:41:18  

mytutoringspace

RT @cybraryman1: My What Students Want page: http://t.co/t7ypLwdH Motivating/Engaging Students: http://t.co/EMvUhEH4 #edchat #eltchat

  12:41:19  

BobK99

RT @teflgeek: anyone else find that YLs tend to prefer competitive activities to collaborative? #eltchat ?Just YLs???

  12:41:27  

David__Boughton

@teflgeek @buckyacademics @KerrCarolyn yrs tba works for me. #eltchat

  12:41:27  

WillLakeESL

@Marisa_C I always try to develop 'healthy competition' in class, with teams, etc. They seem to want to get a lot more involved. #eltchat

  12:41:37  

pjgallantry

@teflgeek @oupeltglobal #ELTchat hope you don't mean 'beat the teacher' literally! :)

  12:41:48  

SophiaKhan4

@yitzha_sarwono @WillLakeESL I'm just going to mention @AlexSWalsh here because he NEEDS to write his thesis on this #ELTchat

  12:41:55  

KerrCarolyn

@Marisa_C #ELTChat -  Interested - how did Whole Brain Teaching work in practice?

  12:42:26  

teflgeek

@buckyacademics @David__Boughton @KerrCarolyn or - you can post learner work up with a fake facebook style comments section below #eltchat

  12:42:35  

prese1

@pjgallantry @teflgeek @oupeltglobal  lol...everytime they get something wrong the teacher gets a point  #eltchat

  12:42:40  

buckyacademics

@David__Boughton @teflgeek @KerrCarolyn Another is betting on sentence correction in teams or noughts & crosses with sentences #eltchat

  12:42:44  

JoHart

#ELTchat Collab is good but competitive will probably stand them in better stead when they are out in the real world

  12:42:48  

nroberts88

@SophiaKhan4 don't know if it's demotivation, not every kid wants to be in an English class after a day in school. #ELTChat

  12:42:54  

Marisa_C

@KerrCarolyn fantastic - i have a listtle video of a class taught that way - evryone thinks they ve been learning 4 two yrs #ELTChat

  12:43:24  

Marisa_C

@KerrCarolyn but in reality they have had only 40 hours of instruction  #ELTChat

  12:43:44  

yitzha_sarwono

@WillLakeESL @Marisa_C I like that! 'Healthy Competition" :-) #eltchat

  12:43:49  

tamaslorincz

The patience and attention if a young person when they want to get something done. #eltchat http://t.co/xrnw8qSe

  12:44:37  

buckyacademics

RT @JoHart: #ELTchat Collab is good but competitive will probably stand them in better stead when they are out in the real world

  12:44:38  

KerrCarolyn

@Marisa_C #ELTChat - wow - that's amazing; I saw Leila Issa present with videos from a Saudi girls school. I'm v interested in it

  12:44:46  

SophiaKhan4

@Marisa_C @KerrCarolyn My intro was this video http://t.co/J2XpdUOY Some good things but I found it very controlling #ELTchat

  12:44:50  

teflgeek

@JoHart depends on where they are and what they want to do!  #eltchat

  12:44:59  

cliffmanning

RT @OUPELTGlobal: A positive, safe learning environment is very important, where mistakes are seen as part of learning #eltchat

  12:45:17  

theteacherjames

@KerrCarolyn @Marisa_C What is 'whole brain teaching'? #ELTChat

  12:45:49  

KerrCarolyn

@SophiaKhan4 @Marisa_C #ELTChat. Yes agree on the control. Although lots of research shows kids taking comfort in control & routine

  12:45:50  

SophiaKhan4

Really interested in if you use reward charts of some kind or if that backfires? Are rewards 'bad'? Are badges better? Any tips? #ELtchat

  12:46:29  

esolcourses

RT @Marisa_C: Sharing an old post abt the cognitive benefits of diff games for YLs http://t.co/AigIEdnP #ELTchat

  12:46:48  

yitzha_sarwono

@prese1 @pjgallantry @teflgeek @OUPELTGlobal My class back in 2010 liked this! They were so determined to got the points :-) #eltchat

  12:46:52  

Marisa_C

@KerrCarolyn comfort and routine important for VYLs - replace home - but vary WITHIN routines  #ELTChat

  12:46:55  

prese1

@buckyacademics @fionamau is there a link? #eltchat

  12:47:01  

teflgeek

@SophiaKhan4 I mentioned classdojo earlier - it's a positive and negative points based behaviour management system.  #eltchat

  12:47:14  

BobK99

#eltchat Anonymization idea (untried, but I'd give it a go given the chance!). After written work, post (as T) on class blog, invite correx.

  12:47:34  

OUPELTGlobal

@SophiaKhan4 I always used a stamp. they would count how many stamos they had over the year and work to get more. #eltchat

  12:47:56  

SophiaKhan4

@KerrCarolyn @Marisa_C That's the trade off isn't it...Perhaps for some times, not all the time? #Eltchat

  12:48:04  

KerrCarolyn

@SophiaKhan4 #ELTChat - silly prizes - 'No homework Pass' work well for school kids - although you end up with a black market for them!!

  12:48:16  

esolcourses

classdojo - a positive and negative points based behaviour management system - looks useful! #eltchat via @teflgeek

  12:48:30  

Marisa_C

http://t.co/TadGjRYe a collection of pins on pinterest on whole brain teaching #ELTchat

  12:48:39  

theteacherjames

RT @Marisa_C: http://t.co/TadGjRYe a collection of pins on pinterest on whole brain teaching #ELTchat

  12:48:48  

teflgeek

@Marisa_C @KerrCarolyn routine doesn't mean repetition.  e.g. settler - stirrer -settler - stirrer is a routine, but flexible #eltchat

  12:49:10  

KerrCarolyn

@SophiaKhan4 #ELTchat - what age are the kids? Not getting the reward or not having a chance can be v upsetting for kids

  12:49:25  

tamaslorincz

@Marisa_C #eltchat the problem is that in preschool it‰Ϋs not always only play and say. & perhaps they don‰Ϋt want to play what they are told

  12:49:36  

Marisa_C

I also did sm research yrs ago on YLs and what kind of Ts they like - most factors are AFFECTIVE #eltchat

  12:49:41  

teflgeek

@esolcourses so far so good - only been working with it since september! #eltchat

  12:49:50  

buckyacademics

@prese1 @fionamau Just found it: http://t.co/bIbxRGKT. It's amazing. Thx Fiona! #eltchat

  12:50:03  

SophiaKhan4

@teflgeek Yes I know it, it's cute - have only trialled, is it worth it or time consuming? Do kids like it? #Eltchat

  12:50:15  

prese1

@KerrCarolyn @SophiaKhan4 @Marisa_C  is it my impression or do the kids teach their partner what they've just learnt...teach=learn  #eltchat

  12:50:33  

OUPELTGlobal

@KerrCarolyn For me rewarads are based on effort, not on knowledge. Everyone can get it if they try ... #eltchat

  12:50:42  

yitzha_sarwono

@OUPELTGlobal @SophiaKhan4 me too! And at the end of the year I give them my handmade craft. works like a charm for EYL :-) #eltchat

  12:50:48  

prese1

@buckyacademics @fionamau  Thank you  #eltchat

  12:51:11  

SophiaKhan4

@KerrCarolyn I'm thinking 3 to about 10 - but could still work with older kids/teens or am I dreaming? #ELTchat

  12:51:16  

KerrCarolyn

@Marisa_C #ELTchat. Yes to variety. I have 2 L's with ADHD so I need structure and routine, but there is a lot of variety (+ movement)

  12:51:31  

teflgeek

@SophiaKhan4 my kids love it.  I use my laptop in class to award / deduct points.  Though there's also an ipad app #eltchat

  12:51:35  

Marisa_C

... all good points abt rewards --- in addition: avoid punishment #eltchat - be proactive not reactive in terms of discipline

  12:51:41  

SophiaKhan4

RT @teflgeek: @SophiaKhan4 I mentioned classdojo earlier - it's a positive and negative points based behaviour management system.  #eltchat

  12:51:47  

esolcourses

@teflgeek hope it continues to work well for you! Always gr8 to get feedback about tools worth using. Can be a real time-saver #eltchat

  12:51:58  

esolcourses

RT @Marisa_C: ... all good points abt rewards --- in addition: avoid punishment #eltchat - be proactive not reactive in terms of discipline

  12:52:07  

teflgeek

@SophiaKhan4 Not very time consuming.  Got them all speaking english and behaving well (for 13year olds) #eltchat

  12:52:10  

SophiaKhan4

@OUPELTGlobal I like that that's individual, not comparative except to self (or was it visible to the others?) #ELTchat

  12:52:28  

padgets

RT @cybraryman1: My What Students Want page: http://t.co/t7ypLwdH Motivating/Engaging Students: http://t.co/EMvUhEH4 #edchat #eltchat

  12:52:37  

alrocoll

RT @OUPELTGlobal: RT @Marisa_C: We can do a lot of damage by not knowing how YLs & VYLs tick! #ELTchat #eltchat

  12:52:55  

JoBudden

@buckyacademics Arriving v. late for this #eltchat but will be reading back later. Agree that topic choice is vital. :)

  12:52:59  

OUPELTGlobal

RT @Marisa_C: ... all good points abt rewards --- in addition: avoid punishment #eltchat

  12:53:04  

OUPELTGlobal

@SophiaKhan4 not, it wasn't visible to others. Learner would want more stamps for their own sense of achiement  #eltchat

  12:54:06  

KerrCarolyn

@SophiaKhan4 #ELTChat. For wee ones try class cuddly  to take home and 'show' toy where they live. But make sure every kid gets a chance

  12:54:11  

teflgeek

@esolcourses I'm planning to write up my experiences at some point for the blog.  Watch this space! #eltchat

  12:54:20  

SophiaKhan4

@teflgeek Really?? Wow. Ok, noted! #ELTchat

  12:54:20  

JoHart

@Marisa_C #ELTchat even sthg as simple as +ve phrasing eg put +ve fbk 1st, avoid saying "don't do this" flip the comment and say "do this"

  12:54:29  

Marisa_C

avoid fear and anxiety (this means NO TESTING for VYL's) #ELTchat

  12:54:45  

BobK99

RT @teflgeek: I use my laptop in class to award / deduct points.  Though there's also an ipad app #eltchat > s/th I saw in Sh&t 2011. DoJo?

  12:55:08  

KerrCarolyn

@SophiaKhan4 #ELTChat - sometimes 6-9 ish like turns of being the teachers assistant - empowers them

  12:55:10  

SophiaKhan4

@yitzha_sarwono @OUPELTGlobal That's exactly what I did. They laminated bookmarks out of their "sticker strips" #eltchat

  12:55:12  

Marisa_C

@JoHart yes - yes - Use positive language always agree fully  #ELTchat

  12:55:14  

buckyacademics

@OUPELTGlobal @Marisa_C Completely agree! Punishment doesn't usually work. I use TPR to bring class' attention back with YLs. #eltchat

  12:55:32  

teflgeek

@SophiaKhan4 two probs - the sts haven't realised there's no pay off for them except the winning of points ... and when they do???  #eltchat

  12:55:47  

SophiaKhan4

RT @KerrCarolyn: @SophiaKhan4 #ELTChat. For wee ones try class cuddly  to take home and 'show' toy where they live. But make sure every kid gets a chance

  12:55:51  

Marisa_C

RT @SophiaKhan4: @yitzha_sarwono @OUPELTGlobal Have a diifferent teacher-assistant in every lesson #Eltchat

  12:55:54  

KerrCarolyn

@SophiaKhan4 #ELTChat - but I'm very wary of charts and things that can be seen and used as comparisons. Maybe it is just me

  12:55:58  

OUPELTGlobal

@SophiaKhan4  I like that idea #eltchat

  12:56:01  

teflgeek

@SophiaKhan4 and getting the parents engaged and involved is proving tricky #eltchat

  12:56:13  

SophiaKhan4

RT @KerrCarolyn: @SophiaKhan4 #ELTChat - sometimes 6-9 ish like turns of being the teachers assistant - empowers them

  12:56:15  

prese1

@BobK99 @teflgeek  I have 12-14 who are very competitive in teams #eltchat

  12:57:16  

Marisa_C

@KerrCarolyn confess i don't like them either - and have witnessed some dramas while observing well-intentioned teachers #ELTChat

  12:57:42  

SophiaKhan4

@KerrCarolyn Yes! & things like "teacher is a tape recorder" or storytelling when the T has "lost" her voice. They take control #ELTchat

  12:58:00  

teflgeek

before everyone heads off - can I plug my dissertation survey?  Sorry to bend the rules mods! http://t.co/GudQaJlc #eltchat

  12:58:29  

Marisa_C

@teflgeek will ban u in a min  #eltchat

  12:58:43  

KerrCarolyn

@SophiaKhan4 #ELTChat - LOVE being a tape recorder. had to replace my buttons when they wore out!!!

  12:59:07  

SophiaKhan4

@teflgeek Feel proud? Get a pic of their dojo character to colour in (not at 13 tho...) Get a "badge"? #ELTchat

  12:59:14  

buckyacademics

Schools have used points for motivation for years. It works as long as you're fair. Hopefully extrinsic becomes intrinsic later on #eltchat

  12:59:19  

Marisa_C

One minute before end of #Eltchat - who will be doing this summary please? #eltchat - time flies here

  12:59:39  

theteacherjames

As we reach the end of the chat, it's time to ask for a kind summary writer - who will be motivated? #eltchat

  12:59:50  

teflgeek

@SophiaKhan4 yes - could export their dojo profiles and points tallies to a classroom poster perhaps #eltchat

  12:59:57  

SophiaKhan4

@KerrCarolyn I remember that from when I was at school and it was horrible. #ELTchat

  12:59:58  

KerrCarolyn

@SophiaKhan4 #ELTChat - yes - I had lots of black buttons for not sitting in my seat, too much talking etc etc. Didn't stop me, even now =)

  13:01:11  

JoBudden

#eltchat LearnEnglish Teens tries to cover topics of interest to 13-17 yr olds. This blog post got them commenting! http://t.co/zWMeLbTw

  13:01:11  

SophiaKhan4

@teflgeek I thought this post on badges was really interesting http://t.co/cLuVuYr0 #ELTchat

  13:01:16  

esolcourses

RT @teflgeek: before everyone heads off - can I plug my dissertation survey?  Sorry to bend the rules mods! http://t.co/GudQaJlc #eltchat

  13:01:18  

english247

Day 5 of our #ESL #Xmas Calendar. Click here for today's free English activity! http://t.co/lFluV2YK #esl #engpls #twinglish #eltchat

  13:01:21  

tamaslorincz

@theteacherjames did contribute little but would love to. Great conversation, I really enjoyed. #eltchat

  13:01:57  

teflgeek

@SophiaKhan4 that looks interesting - will investigate!  Thx. #eltchat

  13:02:09  

SophiaKhan4

@KerrCarolyn Good!! Controlling and comparing is just soul-crushing #Eltchat

  13:02:12  

Marisa_C

RT @SophiaKhan4: @KerrCarolyn Good!! Controlling and comparing is just soul-crushing #Eltchat

  13:02:22  

prese1

Thank you everyone for this lovely #eltchat  I have run off...

  13:02:26  

KerrCarolyn

@JoBudden #ELTChat Yes Jo! Learn English kids also has great games to play online. Toy shop is popular

  13:02:30  

OUPELTGlobal

well work awaits. Thanks everyone for a great chat - see you next week #eltchat

  13:02:56  

theteacherjames

@tamaslorincz Thanks Tamas, much appreciated. Will get the transcript over to you asap. CC @Marisa_C  #eltchat

  13:03:02  

Marisa_C

Thanks for joining this great #ELTchat everyone - still looking for a summary writer - usually person who asked Q should offer

  13:03:05  

esolcourses

RT @JoBudden: #eltchat LearnEnglish Teens tries to cover topics of interest to 13-17 yr olds. This blog post got them commenting! http://t.co/zWMeLbTw

  13:03:06  

JoHart

Thank you #ELTchat peeps - so long since I have been able to join you, always enjoy very much :) Time for bed here in West Aus

  13:03:14  

Marisa_C

@JoHart great to have you here Jo - we enjoy talking to you as well :-)  #ELTchat

  13:03:36  

teflgeek

thanks all for a fun #eltchat - some great new ideas to try out!

  13:03:39  

SophiaKhan4

@KerrCarolyn @JoBudden http://t.co/sKZQaA61 is BRILLIANT #Eltchat

  13:03:40  

Marisa_C

RT @SophiaKhan4: @KerrCarolyn @JoBudden http://t.co/ToyMGNpC is BRILLIANT #Eltchat

  13:03:52  

Marisa_C

RT @theteacherjames: @tamaslorincz Thanks Tamas, much appreciated. Will get the transcript over to you asap.  #eltchat THX Tamas!

  13:04:12  

theteacherjames

Thanks for a great #eltchat everyone, I said little and learned a lot!

  13:04:22  

esolcourses

RT @OUPELTGlobal: well work awaits. Thanks everyone for a great chat - see you next week #eltchat

  13:04:30  

SophiaKhan4

@Marisa_C I don't know who chose topic - I can do it if they are absent #ELTchat

  13:04:38  

esolcourses

Giant List of Free Christmas Lesson Resources - with new adds from @eltexperiences @ij64 @shellterrell http://t.co/5cKfWGS7 #eltchat #esl

  13:05:00  

Marisa_C

@SophiaKhan4 thanks Sophia @tamaslorincz has just offered - will hold you to it another time  #ELTchat

  13:05:14  

BobK99

Bye all at #eltchat and thanks.

  13:05:40  

SophiaKhan4

@Marisa_C @tamaslorincz No worries. Enjoyed the chat, thanks all! #ELtchat

  13:05:56  

Marisa_C

See you all later tonight for the second #ELTchat with a challengins topic - Do learners learn because or inspite of the T?

  13:06:02  

buckyacademics

Thx Tamas! Great chat guys, cheers! #eltchat

  13:06:42  

theteacherjames

RT @Marisa_C: See you all later tonight for the second #ELTchat with a challenging topic - Do learners learn because or inspite of the T?

  13:08:16  

GetAheadinEng

Thanks for #eltchat :)

  13:09:37  

SophiaKhan4

@Marisa_C Ooh. Pet topic. Will miss but looking forward to views. #Eltchat

  13:09:47  

SophiaKhan4

RT @Marisa_C: See you all later tonight for the second #ELTchat with a challengins topic - Do learners learn because or inspite of the T?

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