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Redundant language eg out of date idioms question tags, etc To teach or not to teach How to kee

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SueAnnan 9:00 PM Hello everyone :-)#ELTchat
cioccas 9:00 PM Question tags: Gen Y no longer tend to use them, innit? Or use other versions, right? That's the way it is, eh? #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:00 PM Topic is Redundant language, eg, out-of-date idioms, question tags, etc. 2 teach or not 2 teach! How 2 keep up? #ELTchat
esolcourses 9:00 PM RT @cioccas: RT @SueAnnan: for the next hour I will be taking part in #ELTchat < Me too! :-)
naomishema 9:00 PM Hi #eltchat!
SophiaMav 9:01 PM Hello all :) #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:01 PM @harrisonmike topic was suggested by @cioccas  #ELTchat
DaveDodgson 9:01 PM From @OUPELTGlobal Getting children to talk in English from the beginning http://t.co/qeU30JHN #ELTchat
SueAnnan 9:01 PM I still use question tags every day. Who says they are redundant? #ELTchat
cioccas 9:01 PM The Question tag or not to tag came up at a local TESOL dinner here last week #ELTchat
harrisonmike 9:01 PM @Shaunwilden question tags out of date or redundant? Says who?? #eltchat
mrmohammedsheha 9:01 PM Hello all #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:02 PM @cioccas That's just wrong :-) #ELTchat
SueAnnan 9:02 PM Maybe they are not used in Strine? #ELTchat
cioccas 9:02 PM Seems to be a generational thing, innit? In Australia, they'd say '"eh" or "ay", eh? #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:02 PM @cioccas Care to explain why they are redundant? #ELTchat
mrmohammedsheha 9:02 PM I think Q tags were a part of every grammar book I've taught! #eltchat
ljp2010 9:02 PM #Eltchat Hi all :-)  tag qs not redundant by any means.  Perhaps sophisticated but redundant, no way!
teacherthom 9:02 PM @harrisonmike @Shaunwilden True. We haven’t stopped using them completely... have we? #eltchat
cioccas 9:03 PM We decided need to teach them to over 50s, but maybe not to younger learners. #ELTchat
SueAnnan 9:03 PM @Marisa_C  saw your pic. Is everything ok round your way? #ELTchat
ljp2010 9:03 PM @SueAnnan  #ELTchat I use 'em all the time, mate!
teacherthom 9:03 PM @cioccas ...you get me? #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:03 PM Good evening all from Athens in a great state of unrest - our future in the balance - apologies for being late but stuff happening #ELTchat
cioccas 9:03 PM Dinner convo - I was surprised too, but we agreed that Gen Y don't use question tags the way they are used in coursebooks #ELTchat
ljp2010 9:03 PM #Eltchat @cioccas  But in all registers?  What if you were giving a more formal talk or in an interview?
esolcourses 9:04 PM @teacherthom @SueAnnan @cioccas  I'd like to send tag questions to ELT room 101... much better ways of expressing same thing, IMO #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:04 PM tens of thousands of ppl out tonight - #eltchat
dashpbmrd4 9:04 PM RT @cioccas: #ELTchat in 50 mins: Redundant language, eg, out-of-date idioms, question tags, etc. To teach or not to teach! How to keep  ...
mrmohammedsheha 9:04 PM RT @naomishema: @cioccas what's the difference? over 50 or not? #ELTchat
naomishema 9:04 PM @cioccas what's the difference? over 50 or not? #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:04 PM @Marisa_C you ok, looks quite 'busy' on the streets #ELTchat
SophiaMav 9:04 PM Hi Marisa :) #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:04 PM We're lost! #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:05 PM @SueAnnan  #ELTchat  Lol it's whot's raining here right now - for a change
cioccas 9:05 PM @SueAnnan It was raining cats and dogs here yesterday! #ELTchat
naomishema 9:05 PM @cioccas haven't taught it for a long time. weak learners, not top priority #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:05 PM Hmm  am gonna stick up for q. tag, they're great, arent they? #ELTchat
SueAnnan 9:05 PM @ljp2010  LOL #ELTchat
cioccas 9:05 PM RT @esolcourses: ... I'd like to send tag questions to ELT room 101... much better ways of expressing same thing, IMO #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:05 PM I agree with some of the out-dated idioms- when did you last say raining cats and dogs? #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:05 PM @ManosSY @SophiaMav  #ELTchat  hya!!!
cioccas 9:05 PM @naomishema That was just a random age we chose  :) I'm trying to find out if it's a global thing #ELTchat
naomishema 9:06 PM RT @cioccas: At least the question tags question got the chat off to a racing start, ay?  :) #ELTchat
mrmohammedsheha 9:06 PM when ur non native English teaching using out of date idioms is confusing! #eltchat
cioccas 9:06 PM At least the question tags question got the chat off to a racing start, ay?  :) #ELTchat
SueAnnan 9:06 PM RT @Shaunwilden: Hmm  am gonna stick up for q. tag, they're great, arent they? #ELTchat I'm with you there
Shaunwilden 9:06 PM I think we've quickly come to a decision on tags, but there is a lot to the topic #ELTchat
cunningcanis 9:06 PM #ELTchat hi all, think I'll be lurking as overexcited son (school trip tomorrow!) is just going to bed...
ljp2010 9:06 PM #Eltchat loads of idioms seem very brit-centric to me too, often ones i've never heard of in cbs.
cioccas 9:07 PM And it's hard to keep up with younger generation slang, idioms, etc. #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:07 PM @cioccas @mrmohammedsheha  Arent most idioms pointless anyway #ELTchat
teacherthom 9:07 PM @ljp2010 fair point, idioms do tend to date #eltchat
SophiaMav 9:07 PM RT @SueAnnan: RT @Shaunwilden: Hmm  am gonna stick up for q. tag, theyre great, arent they? #ELTchat Im with you there #ELTchat
cioccas 9:07 PM RT @mrmohammedsheha: when ur non native English teaching using out of date idioms is confusing! #eltchat <Agree! How to keep up?
Marisa_C 9:07 PM RT @mrmohammedsheha: when ur non native English teaching using out of date idioms is confusing! #eltchat > true
Shaunwilden 9:07 PM RT @mrmohammedsheha: when ur non native English teaching using out of date idioms is confusing! #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:08 PM @cioccas A dose of reality tv is good for finding out current language #ELTchat
KerrCarolyn 9:08 PM #eltchat Isn't it supposed to be that 80% of English is now spoken between NNS? Are idioms still helpful?
naomishema 9:08 PM RT @SueAnnan: Also idioms can be geographically specific #ELTchat If you recognise them that's good enough IMHO #ELTchat
naomishema 9:08 PM Teachers can use update idioms, prob with coursebooks...#eltchat
cioccas 9:08 PM @Shaunwilden @mrmohammedsheha But I'm teaching migrants working here who hear idioms everyday at work #ELTchat
ljp2010 9:08 PM #Eltchat  @cioccas  not if you spend a few minutes everyday on 9gag!!!
SueAnnan 9:08 PM Also idioms can be geographically specific #ELTchat If you recognise them that's good enough IMHO #ELTchat
nakanotim 9:08 PM RT @TheConsultantsE: 42 Writing Apps & Tools http://t.co/CtUp9JZd #mlearning #edtech #eltchat #engchat #ellchat
Marisa_C 9:08 PM @SophiaMav  #ELTchat #ELTchat yes they are ,arent they  :-D
Marisa_C 9:09 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @cioccas A dose of reality tv is good for finding out current language #ELTchat > it'[s the spoken lang which a prob tho
ljp2010 9:09 PM #ELTchat @Shaunwilden  am curious 2 know what reality tv u watch, shaun...
cioccas 9:09 PM RT @KerrCarolyn: #eltchat Isn't it supposed to be that 80% of English is now spoken between NNS? Are idioms still helpful? <Good point!
mrmohammedsheha 9:09 PM @cioccas Ssget their English out of movies and songs..so u try  teach of them"I wouldn't do that for all the tea in china"! imagine #ELTCHAT
cioccas 9:10 PM Do find I have to teach Australian, British AND American idioms though, because of TV & movies #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:10 PM @SueAnnan How quaint ;-)  #ELTchat
naomishema 9:10 PM RT @SueAnnan: I've got a student who is as nutty as a fruitcake at the moment. > haven't heard that in years!!!#ELTchat
KerrCarolyn 9:10 PM #eltchat http://t.co/5vdVeJUN Hugh Laurie and Ellen de Generes have fun with slang and idioms v v funny
SueAnnan 9:10 PM I've got a student who is as nutty as a fruitcake at the moment. #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:10 PM been following British tv lately on my ipad and it\s a great way to keep up with language change #ELtchat
Shaunwilden 9:10 PM @ljp2010 less now when I lived oversees I found tuning in Big brother a whole language learning experience #ELTchat
cioccas 9:10 PM @mrmohammedsheha Here in Australia, my Ss get 90% of English on the streets, shops & work! #ELTchat
SophiaMav 9:11 PM RT @cioccas: Do find I have to teach Australian, British AND American idioms though, because of TV & movies > true! #ELTchat
SueAnnan 9:11 PM @mrmohammedsheha  do students need to learn them? #eltchat
cioccas 9:11 PM RT @KerrCarolyn: #eltchat http://t.co/kF1j71uS Hugh Laurie & Ellen de Generes have fun with slang and idioms v v funny
SueAnnan 9:11 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @SueAnnan How quaint ;-)  #ELTchat LOL
naomishema 9:12 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @naomishema probably dated if it's in a course book :-) #ELTchat
cioccas 9:12 PM Often find I'm syaing "That's an expression my Dad would use." but some Ss are working with 80+ year-olds in aged care facilities! #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:12 PM @naomishema probably dated if it's in a course book :-) #ELTchat
mrmohammedsheha 9:12 PM @ciocca Idioms are important in English.Querstion is should we teach up-to-date or out-of-date idioms that Ss really need 2  learn #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:12 PM RT @naomishema: How do we judge which idiom is really out of date? #eltchat > google it?
ljp2010 9:12 PM #Eltchat Surely good paraphrasing skills better than idioms e.g. pegs = crabs for clothes - genius!!!
Shaunwilden 9:12 PM RT @naomishema: How do we judge which idiom is really out of date? #eltchat
naomishema 9:12 PM RT @cioccas: RT @KerrCarolyn: #eltchat http://t.co/kF1j71uS Hugh Laurie & Ellen de Generes have fun with slang and idioms v v funny
naomishema 9:12 PM How do we judge which idiom is really out of date? #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:13 PM @teacherthom  that's what i said before :-) #eltchat
mrmohammedsheha 9:13 PM @SueAnnan I think they're part of the English culture,so YES for some reason they should learn about them #ELTCHAT
teacherthom 9:13 PM @SueAnnan @mrmohammedsheha learn in terms of recognise rather than use maybe #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:13 PM @mrmohammedsheha I never see the point of teaching idioms but my sts  love them so....#ELTchat
KerrCarolyn 9:13 PM @naomishema If the last person you remember saying it was a grandparent or a great auntie then it is probably out of date! #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:13 PM RT @mrmohammedsheha: @ciocca Idioms are important in English.Querstion is should we teach up-to-date or out-of-date idioms that Ss reall ...
cioccas 9:13 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @naomishema probably dated if it's in a course book :-) #ELTchat <True!
SueAnnan 9:14 PM RT @English_York: @SueAnnan And I'm as daft as a brush #ELTchat
cioccas 9:14 PM I love these books, but some out-of-date now: Understanding Spoken English http://t.co/Fe3hmflC  (They have Aust'n versions too) #ELTchat
paulsilles 9:14 PM @Marisa_C Sounds so cool... Any good apps? #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:15 PM #thinking aloud are there categories of idioms I.e. topic that are less likely to change? #ELTchat
cioccas 9:15 PM @paulsilles @Marisa_C Aus e-phrase app & website : http://t.co/GEKOg6ab good for Australian idioms #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:15 PM @paulsilles film on tv  #ELTchat after a while it asks u to pay but i can still watch on my laptop -
mrmohammedsheha 9:15 PM RT @teacherthom: @SueAnnan @mrmohammedsheha learn in terms of recognise rather than use maybe #eltchat  AGREE
Marisa_C 9:16 PM i think the term 'redundant' is not correct #eltchat
naomishema 9:16 PM Just discussing idioms reminds of how awful it sounds when SS (& Politicians!) translate mother tongue idioms literally into Eng. #eltchat
KerrCarolyn 9:16 PM #eltchat Maybe we should write a book about 'business idioms'. My SS get so lost when someone starts going on abt 'pigs and chickens'
cioccas 9:16 PM RT @teacherthom: @SueAnnan @mrmohammedsheha learn in terms of recognise rather than use maybe #eltchat < Definitely!
toulasklavou 9:16 PM @shaznosel @marisa_c Just logged in, Redudant lang, to teach or not to teach#eltchat
Marisa_C 9:16 PM @shaznosel yes in the middle of talking abt redundant or (rather) obsolete I should say expressins and idioms #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:16 PM RT @cioccas: @paulsilles @Marisa_C Aus e-phrase app & website : http://t.co/GEKOg6ab good for Australian idioms #ELTchat
HOSNA_ELT 9:17 PM @naomishema How should non native teachers recognize update idioms from out-of-date ones? Stick to the coursebooks? #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:17 PM RT @SueAnnan: @KerrCarolyn  Have you tried Jargon buster? #eltchat > what's that - pls splain
mrmohammedsheha 9:17 PM How can we make non-native English Ss motivated to learm idioms they may never use or even hear!!Idioms they will soon forget #ELTCHAT
cioccas 9:17 PM RT @Marisa_C: i think the term 'redundant' is not correct #eltchat <Sorry, wasn't sure how to write my topic & did it v quickly :-)
SueAnnan 9:17 PM @FraterSprite  Just use the #ELTChat hashtag
Shaunwilden 9:17 PM RT @Marisa_C: i think the term 'redundant' is not correct #eltchat - well redundant lang is sth else I guess
esolcourses 9:17 PM @cioccas @mrmohammedsheha I explain idioms to s's when they ask about them, but not convinced as to their general usefulness...  #eltchat
cioccas 9:17 PM @KerrCarolyn I'm lost with the 'pigs and chickens' :-) #ELTchat
SueAnnan 9:17 PM @KerrCarolyn  Have you tried Jargon buster? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:18 PM @Marisa_C I agree boss :-) We should also extend it beyond just idioms #ELTchat
KerrCarolyn 9:18 PM @cioccas #eltchat With bacon and eggs, the chicken's are involved but the pigs are committed. Frankly dreadful =)
JenMac_ESL 9:18 PM #eltchat I think corpus-based materials can really help us determine up-to-date vs. old-fashioned idioms
Marisa_C 9:18 PM @cioccas eye u s the culprit! #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:18 PM RT @Marisa_C: @Shaunwilden yes 'redundancy' is a different concept - we should be talking about obsolete lang or archaic expresssions et ...
Marisa_C 9:18 PM @Shaunwilden yes 'redundancy' is a different concept - we should be talking about obsolete lang or archaic expresssions etc; #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:18 PM @Marisa_C  It's a business english jargon buster website. Works well when T confused too #eltchat
KerrCarolyn 9:18 PM @cioccas #eltchat. Commitment. Used to be 'skin in the game'. Now it's the cooked breakfast analogy ...
shaznosel 9:18 PM @Marisa_C I m here..how do we find tolics and twitpoll these days? Is' raining cats and dogs here btw..obselete. it's pouring #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:18 PM @mrmohammedsheha So why teach them? #ELTchat
cioccas 9:18 PM RT @esolcourses: I explain idioms to s's when they ask about them, but not convinced as to their general usefulness... #eltchat < Me too
Marisa_C 9:19 PM I't s the kind of language which may be accurate etc but called "booklish" #ELTchat
cioccas 9:19 PM @KerrCarolyn I'm still lost - maybe because I'm vegetarian :) Or perhaps because I haven't got a head for business :) #ELTchat
KerrCarolyn 9:19 PM RT @Marisa_C: RT @SueAnnan: @KerrCarolyn  Have you tried Jargon buster? #eltchat > what's that - pls splain, yes do
Shaunwilden 9:19 PM @mrmohammedsheha But if they serve no purpose why teach them? #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:19 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C I agree boss :-) We should also extend it beyond just idioms #ELTchat > yes cool
mrmohammedsheha 9:19 PM @Shaunwilden that's my question! I only teach them becoz I have to...they're part of the course im teaching :( #ELTCHAT
esolcourses 9:20 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @mrmohammedsheha But if they serve no purpose why teach them? #ELTchat ] can sometimes be foisted on us, perhaps?
ljp2010 9:20 PM #ELTchat Wouldn't skills work be more beneficial?  guessing meaning from context, asking for clarification, paraphrasing....
teacherthom 9:20 PM Talking of outdated course books, check out this classic from the 80s I found at work the other day #eltchat http://t.co/5YwXof86
cioccas 9:20 PM @KerrCarolyn Oh, got it now!  Definitely a carnivore idiom :) #ELTchat
naomishema 9:20 PM RT @Marisa_C: I't s the kind of language which may be accurate etc but called "booklish" #ELTchat
KerrCarolyn 9:21 PM @esolcourses @Shaunwilden @mrmohammedsheha #ELTchat I teachto BE SS so they don't get lost when the 'natives' are being all idiomatic!
SueAnnan 9:21 PM Jargon bust http://t.co/GBeOMkaP  #ELTchat
shaznosel 9:21 PM @mrmohammedsheha Agree! CPE exam full of 'em and as a native speaker I use so few. my grandma used loads! make idioms like a game!!#eltchat
cioccas 9:21 PM @esolcourses @Shaunwilden @mrmohammedsheha Do need to teach idioms that Ss will hear here in Aus #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:21 PM @teacherthom  #eltchat lol nice hairdo - some ppl still have them tho
JohnPfordresher 9:21 PM “@avafruin: Auth Lang on Election Day http://t.co/KN0DnAx5 #teaching #esl #efl #eltchat<--gr8 post! perfect task 4 http://t.co/AR5iwoLI ;)
Shaunwilden 9:21 PM @esolcourses @mrmohammedsheha Thats my point, just coz they are in a course doenst mean they have to be taught #ELTchat
mrmohammedsheha 9:22 PM @Shaunwilden .in some work places, u should just follow the course book! I train the trainees following thir company's objectives #ELTCHAT
shaznosel 9:22 PM @esolcourses @Shaunwilden @mrmohammedsheha I only teach them for certain exam boards and the odd one for fun and to enrich ss lang #eltchat
cioccas 9:22 PM @naomishema @shaznosel No, just different ones #ELTchat
SueAnnan 9:22 PM @KerrCarolyn http://t.co/j5LB8Gs8    brilliant for BE jargon #eltchat
naomishema 9:22 PM @shaznosel so u think people R using less idioms nowadays? Hadn't though of that. #eltchat
cioccas 9:22 PM RT @SueAnnan: Jargon bust http://t.co/VGJzMKqx  #ELTchat < Terrific!
Marisa_C 9:22 PM RT @SueAnnan: Jargon bust http://t.co/Lc7QmKBx  #ELTchat > thanks ms SILVER #ELTchat Blogger! :-D
mrmohammedsheha 9:23 PM RT @shaznosel:  CPE exam full of 'em and as a native speaker I use so few. my grandma used loads! make idioms like a game!!#eltchat  AGREE
Shaunwilden 9:23 PM @mrmohammedsheha is it not possible to explain to them value of not following every thing? #ELTchat
KerrCarolyn 9:23 PM RT @SueAnnan: @KerrCarolyn http://t.co/wjFKmiNT    brilliant for BE jargon #eltchat Merci!!
SueAnnan 9:23 PM I hear idioms around me all day. My colleagues use them lots. Especially when describing the students LOL #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:23 PM @shaznosel  #eltchat agree that certain exam boards do still use rather outdated texts - yes - big bad backwash effect #ELTchat
KerrCarolyn 9:23 PM RT @cioccas: @KerrCarolyn Oh, got it now!  Definitely a carnivore idiom :) #ELTchat - truly dreadful - I hope it fades soon =)
teacherthom 9:23 PM @Marisa_C lol! if you think the pic's bad you should have seen the activities! #eltchat
ljp2010 9:24 PM #ELTchat When I go back to Oz the 1st few days I have trouble following convs - prob not lang but current cultural reference as assumed
SueAnnan 9:24 PM @KerrCarolyn  je vous en prie #eltchat
esolcourses 9:24 PM @shaznosel @Shaunwilden @mrmohammedsheha true, Shaun. Cld be set for homework instead, if U think they may come up in exam, prhaps? #ELTChat
naomishema 9:25 PM RT @Marisa_C: I think all these - even outdated expressions useful for following literature - but picked up there more naturally anyway  ...
Marisa_C 9:25 PM I think all these - even outdated expressions useful for following literature - but picked up there more naturally anyway no? #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:25 PM @ljp2010  good point. I have the same problem in Scotland :-) #ELTchat
cioccas 9:25 PM RT @shaznosel:  ...make idioms like a game!! #eltchat < Yes, need to make it fun with idioms I think :) #ELTchat
ljp2010 9:26 PM #ELTchat @Marisa_C  Oh yes, always love a game of idioms charade :-)
esolcourses 9:26 PM RT @Marisa_C: I think all these - even outdated expressions useful for following literature - but picked up naturally anyway no? #eltchat
cioccas 9:26 PM @ljp2010 I live here and I feel out-of-date sometimes! Overhear conversations and I can't work out the idioms! #ELTchat
naomishema 9:26 PM @singernick There's a movie related to that idiom! #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:26 PM Idioms Charades is great - each word and then the whole idiom #Eltchat
naomishema 9:27 PM RT @teacherthom: are idioms more relevant for advanced learners? #eltchat > perhaps for convo classes, not academic ones (EAP)
Marisa_C 9:27 PM RT @teacherthom: are idioms more relevant for advanced learners? #eltchat > idiomatic lang EVIDENCE of fluency (Prodromou reseaerch)
cioccas 9:27 PM RT @teacherthom: are idioms more relevant for advanced learners? #eltchat < I think so as some too difficult for lower levels
singernick 9:27 PM RT @naomishema: @singernick There's a movie related to that idiom! #eltchat
toulasklavou 9:27 PM @shaznosel @esolcourses @Shaunwilden @mrmohammedsheha  apart frm the fact you'r a NSP any other way 2 judge what's outdated or nt?#eltchat
mrmohammedsheha 9:27 PM http://t.co/bb1veqeV BBC offer this great thing about up to date idioms #ELTCHAT
teacherthom 9:27 PM are idioms more relevant for advanced learners? #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:28 PM @shaznosel  she can't get the top jobs because she is a woman #eltchat
cioccas 9:28 PM @singernick @naomishema @shaznosel Yes, I took a while to work out what that meant when the film came out #ELTchat
mrmohammedsheha 9:28 PM @toulasklavou @shaznosel @esolcourses @Shaunwilden  what's a NPS? #ELTCHAT
SueAnnan 9:28 PM students love them- but it's not my cup of tea wears thin after a bit #ELTchat
shaznosel 9:28 PM @Marisa_C So annoying! Today my s had one I d never heard of..she is hitting the glass ceiling..any ideas #eltchat
singernick 9:28 PM @naomishema really? #eltchat it was all over elections
Marisa_C 9:29 PM Idiom Swap Minute!!!! #eltchat
naomishema 9:29 PM RT @singernick: @naomishema really? #eltchat it was all over elections > here http://t.co/LNBdcVtb
cioccas 9:29 PM @shaznosel @Marisa_C Glass ceiling used a lot here in Aust. - http://t.co/GCojs0tP #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:29 PM you tube good for adults too now i think abt it why not #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:29 PM RT @Marisa_C: Best place for teens is You Tube - give them a Mission - listen and find idioms to bring back to class #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:29 PM RT @Marisa_C: Best place for teens is You Tube - give them a Mission - listen and find idioms to bring back to class #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:29 PM Best place for teens is You Tube - give them a Mission - listen and find idioms to bring back to class #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:29 PM RT @Marisa_C: RT @teacherthom: are idioms more relevant for advanced learners? #eltchat > idiomatic lang EVIDENCE of fluency (Prodrom ...
KerrCarolyn 9:29 PM @shaznosel @Marisa_C #Eltchat - the invisible barrier that stops women from getting promoted
ljp2010 9:30 PM #ELTchat Alright, what about the fave of adv cbs - inversions?
KerrCarolyn 9:30 PM #Eltchat - I like to teach learners to translate 121. "that's not my beer" or "look after your own onions" as we say where I come from...
shaznosel 9:30 PM @cioccas @naomishema Different and more topic related, such as jobs, life, etc.I think we use more phrasals and expressions today#eltchat
Marisa_C 9:31 PM @Shaunwilden mine too #ELTchat
toulasklavou 9:31 PM @SueAnnan @shaznosel I'm impressed!#eltchat
Marisa_C 9:31 PM @teacherthom  #eltchat good point - may be
ljp2010 9:31 PM @teacherthom  #ELTchat think that's probably a fair point
Shaunwilden 9:31 PM @Marisa_C you tube and wallwisher combined and students searching for their own ideas - brilliant, that's going in my next talk :-) #ELTchat
SueAnnan 9:31 PM RT @teacherthom: are idioms more important for students living in an English-speaking environment? #eltchat possibly, yes
cioccas 9:31 PM RT @teacherthom: are idioms more important for students living in an English-speaking environment? #eltchat < I think so
teacherthom 9:31 PM are idioms more important for students living in an English-speaking environment? #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:31 PM competitons - idioms with colours animals parts of the body etc 0 make silly stories #ELTchat
WarwickLanguage 9:31 PM RT @Marisa_C: @shaznosel  #eltchat agree that certain exam boards do still use rather outdated texts - yes - big bad backwash effect #EL ...
cioccas 9:32 PM Aussie English for the Beginner – interactive http://t.co/8cJBlHdQ - most of these out-of-date now, but this is fun! #ELTchat
SueAnnan 9:32 PM @toulasklavou  Why? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:32 PM @Marisa_C  :-) #ELTchat
KerrCarolyn 9:33 PM RT @cioccas: @shaznosel @Marisa_C Glass ceiling used a lot here in Aust. - http://t.co/7CHztZn2 #ELTchat - do you need a hammer? =)
WarwickLanguage 9:33 PM @SueAnnan @teacherthom important for #Mfl lang ust too #eltchat and integration
singernick 9:33 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C you tube and wallwisher combined and students searching for their own ideas - brilliant, that's going in my n ...
Marisa_C 9:34 PM @KerrCarolyn ha ha love them calling Twitter "lazyweb"  #ELTchat
naomishema 9:34 PM @shaznosel the movie really makes that idoom crystal clear! great film! #eltchat
FraterSprite 9:34 PM @SueAnnan so modern hehe. thanks!! and so simple!!! #ELTChat
SueAnnan 9:34 PM @ljp2010  is that LIverpudlian? #ELTchat
cioccas 9:34 PM @KerrCarolyn @shaznosel @Marisa_C :-) A hammer would be useful to break through the glass ceiling :-) #ELTchat
ljp2010 9:34 PM @cioccas  #ELTchat do you teach ur sts to say "youse"?
shaznosel 9:34 PM @singernick @cioccas @naomishema @shaznosel .. wagging the dog- when smthg important is being influenced by smthg not as important! #eltchat
cioccas 9:35 PM @Shaunwilden @ljp2010 I love youse all! #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:35 PM we do seem to have got stuck in idioms, dont we? #ELTchat
ljp2010 9:35 PM @SueAnnan  #ELTchat Lot of people use it round where i'm from in aus.  plural of you....
cioccas 9:35 PM RT @ljp2010: @cioccas  #ELTchat do you teach ur sts to say "youse"? < Oh no! :-) But it does come up as they hear it around them.
Shaunwilden 9:35 PM @ljp2010 say what? #ELTchat
shaznosel 9:35 PM @SueAnnan I can imagine those ones...#eltchat
teacherthom 9:36 PM do idioms reveal something about cultural trends? e.g. tax dodging, austerity measures, etc. all much more in use in UK post-2008 #eltchat
esolcourses 9:36 PM @SueAnnan @ljp2010 @cioccas we get 'youse' in scouseland as well - & more. Sometimes it feels like I double up as an interpreter ;) #eltchat
cioccas 9:36 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @cioccas @ljp2010  i could hear your rising intonation thoughout that :-) #ELTchat < Me too!
toulasklavou 9:36 PM cultural reference, usage, abundance of idioms, to what extent to teach'em @which ones:bother me all the time#eltchat
Marisa_C 9:36 PM So what else would you like - let' s talk about anachronisms - enough of them in some coursebooks... #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:36 PM RT @ljp2010: #ELTchat i'll chuck inversions into the mix
Shaunwilden 9:36 PM @cioccas @ljp2010  i could hear your rising intonation thoughout that :-) #ELTchat
singernick 9:36 PM @shaznosel @cioccas @naomishema wag the dog is really catchy, don't u think? #eltchat
ljp2010 9:36 PM #ELTchat i'll chuck inversions into the mix
SueAnnan 9:36 PM RT @Shaunwilden: we do seem to have got stuck in idioms, dont we? #ELTchat what else was on the list?
ljp2010 9:36 PM @cioccas  #ELTchat :-D
shaznosel 9:37 PM @esolcourses @Shaunwilden @mrmohammedsheha Pure homework and odd discussion point..fun practice on.http://t.co/sSDD7qzt #eltchat
cioccas 9:37 PM @esolcourses @SueAnnan @ljp2010 Yes, a lot is interpreting what Ss hear so they can understand - I often warn about using it tho #ELTchat
SueAnnan 9:37 PM @esolcourses  LOL Honey #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:38 PM RT @teacherthom: do idioms reveal something abt cultural trends?  #eltchat   I think so, but some are really old and still in use
teacherthom 9:39 PM @teacherthom ahem... or should I say collocations instead of idioms. Watching TV whilst tweeting is prob not the best idea! #eltchat
shaznosel 9:39 PM @teacherthom For sure..as I said my grandma used different ones...#ELTCHAT
mrmohammedsheha 9:39 PM RT @Nadyoula: I think it also has to do with the ages of the students. Younger students are more interesed in up-to-date indioms#eltchat
cioccas 9:39 PM RT @Nadyoula: I think it also has to do with the ages of the students. Younger students are more interesed in up-to-date indioms#eltchat
Nadyoula 9:39 PM I think it also has to do with the ages of the students. Younger students are more interesed in up-to-date indioms#eltchat
mrmohammedsheha 9:39 PM RT @shaznosel: @esolcourses @Shaunwilden @mrPure homework and odd discussion point..fun practice on.http://t.co/R8A2DXu5 #eltchat Thnx
cioccas 9:39 PM @Shaunwilden @ljp2010 This is me :-) Australian rising intonation - http://t.co/2Zn1LSfO #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:40 PM @teacherthom  #eltchat there u go - how often have we seen whilst in books - how often used in every day lang
Shaunwilden 9:40 PM @ljp2010 Did anyone go with you on the idea of inversion? #ELTchat
cioccas 9:40 PM @hannahpinkham Definitely need a usage warning on some language though :) #ELTchat
SueAnnan 9:40 PM @Marisa_C  which anachronisms were you thinking of? #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:40 PM @Nadyoula  i think you're right about age #ELTchat
hannahpinkham 9:40 PM #eltchat My Spanish teacher has a star system for language: 1* use it, 2*s be careful, 3* native speakers only. Not sure how I feel about it
cioccas 9:41 PM @Shaunwilden @ljp2010 Can you explain 'inversion' please? #ELTchat
ljp2010 9:41 PM #ELTchat  @Shaunwilden  No, they all love their idioms too much (and I was watching the intonation vid :-)
mrmohammedsheha 9:41 PM @Nadyoula  leave a space before(#ELTCHAT) so we all can see ur tweets :) thanks
Marisa_C 9:41 PM @SueAnnan for one thing not teaching language "as she is spoke" - full questions full answers no ellipsis  #ELTchat
esolcourses 9:41 PM @SueAnnan @teacherthom inclined to think there is some value in teaching new idioms that enter lang - may help provide context, etc #eltchat
cunningcanis 9:42 PM @SueAnnan I just noticed that- ta #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:42 PM right who just mentioned the perennial perversion of inversions #eltchat just cos it\s in exams
ljp2010 9:42 PM #ELTchat adv cbs are full of 'em - never have i been so..., Not only do you go up at the end of a sentence
SueAnnan 9:42 PM @cioccas  hardly had I... when... #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:42 PM @cioccas I presume she mean things like never before have i been asked.....#ELTchat
SueAnnan 9:42 PM @Marisa_C  I have a good lesson on ellipsis- very useful true #ELTchat
cioccas 9:43 PM @Shaunwilden @SueAnnan Thanks! #ELTchat
SueAnnan 9:43 PM @Marisa_C  needs must if you teach EAP #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:43 PM @Marisa_C perennial perversion of inversion.....now there's a sentence #ELTchat
ljp2010 9:43 PM @Marisa_C  #ELTchat Have to teach them at higher levels, particularly for exams
naomishema 9:43 PM Sorry all, too sleepy to stay till midnight - long days! Goodnight! #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:43 PM RT @SueAnnan: @Marisa_C  I have a good lesson on ellipsis- very useful true #ELTchat > i want it ! pretty pls
Marisa_C 9:44 PM Had I known you liked stuff like that. I would have produced more of it - :-D  #ELTchat - that's waht i meant
cunningcanis 9:44 PM @esolcourses @sueannan @ljp2010 @cioccas same here in Scotland:) #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:44 PM @Shaunwilden Had I know you liked stuff like that. I would have produced more of it - :-D  #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:45 PM @Shaunwilden innit indeed  #ELTchat
cioccas 9:45 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C perennial perversion of inversion.....now there's a sentence #ELTchat :-)
Shaunwilden 9:45 PM @Marisa_C lol - Not only do I like  inversion but also....yes it really is overdone in hiigh lvl cbks innit? #ELTchat
ljp2010 9:45 PM #ELTchat  So difficult to use naturally are they that sts typically turn into yoda for a few weeks after teaching them.
cioccas 9:45 PM @ljp2010 @Marisa_C Got it &probably why I haven't heard the term in this context- my Ss need more immediate language for life/work #ELTchat
cunningcanis 9:46 PM @ljp2010 #eltchat lol
cioccas 9:46 PM RT @KerrCarolyn: RT @Marisa_C: @Shaunwilden innit indeed  #ELTchat I feel the Welsh are being underrepresented, issat? < Yay, another one!
Nadyoula 9:46 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C perennial perversion of inversion.....now there's a sentence #ELTchat
CELT_Athens 9:46 PM @cioccas lol aye #ELTchat
KerrCarolyn 9:46 PM RT @Marisa_C: @Shaunwilden innit indeed  #ELTchat I feel the Welsh are being underrepresented, issat?
cioccas 9:46 PM RT @Marisa_C: @Shaunwilden innit indeed  #ELTchat < That's for sure, ay?
shaznosel 9:46 PM @Marisa_C Do you mean things like good manners...etc #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:47 PM @cioccas  MY Italien colleague says 'No?'   and my youngster says 'Right?' #ELTchat
singernick 9:47 PM #eltchat inversion is a bit old hat don't u think?
cioccas 9:47 PM RT @ljp2010: #ELTchat  So difficult to use naturally are they that sts typically turn into yoda for a few weeks after teaching them.
Marisa_C 9:47 PM @cioccas @Shaunwilden  #ELTchat #ELTchat and misunderestimated most likely
teacherthom 9:47 PM @ljp2010 true that is #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:48 PM Ok ten mins left what else shall we turn our attention to?#ELTchat
SueAnnan 9:49 PM -@KerrCarolyn  haven't heard that for years #ELTchat
cioccas 9:49 PM Any other websites with 'fashionable English' to help out those in non-English speaking countries (& age-challenged amongst us)? #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:49 PM @Shaunwilden  #ELTchat  genres and specific idioms ?
KerrCarolyn 9:49 PM RT @SueAnnan: @cioccas  MY Italien colleague says 'No?'and my youngster says 'Right?' #ELTchat Scottish kids say 'i'm right, amenta' yikes!!
SueAnnan 9:49 PM have we added inversion to EFL 101 ? #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:50 PM RT @Marisa_C: @Shaunwilden  #ELTchat  genres and specific idioms ?
Marisa_C 9:50 PM @ljp2010  #ELTchat aaah great minds
cioccas 9:50 PM @KerrCarolyn @SueAnnan Yikes indeedy! #ELTchat
ljp2010 9:50 PM #ELTchat http://t.co/fKkNxnDX@cioccas Urban dictionary
Marisa_C 9:51 PM have we dried up #eltchat
cioccas 9:51 PM RT  (with correct link) @ljp2010: #ELTchat  Urban dictionary http://t.co/CmYeYeW4
SueAnnan 9:51 PM describing things and people#ELTchat
cioccas 9:52 PM RT @SueAnnan: The lights are on but there's nobody at home. great idiom :-)#ELTchat
shaznosel 9:52 PM @cioccas There are some good books on idioms too..especially CUP/OUP/Longmans which are up to date and organised by topics #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:52 PM RT @Marisa_C: have we dried up #eltchat I think everyone is trying to work out how to get an idiom, inversion or tag into their tweet
SueAnnan 9:52 PM The lights are on but there's nobody at home. great idiom :-)#ELTchat
mrmohammedsheha 9:52 PM I really enjoy #ELTCHAT only if the time was little earlier it's 12:51 am here now :( U should do something!
KerrCarolyn 9:52 PM #eltchat International Englishes?
cioccas 9:52 PM @Marisa_C No, but slowed down maybe #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:53 PM Well - a story - one of my business ss forgot the right idiom and came up with the memorable "He has a finger in very tart" #ELTchat
KerrCarolyn 9:53 PM #eltchat Inversions feature in International Englishes so if our SS want to communicate globally they need to know about the use
ljp2010 9:53 PM #ELTchat  a lot of teens tend to use http://t.co/WjwZhr58  remarkably sparse on the language front!
cioccas 9:53 PM @shaznosel Would love recommendations of specific up-to-date titles! #ELTchat
eltknowledge 9:53 PM RT @ljp2010: #ELTchat  So difficult to use naturally are they that sts typically turn into yoda for a few weeks after teaching them.
Marisa_C 9:54 PM @SueAnnan  #ELTchat :-D
ljp2010 9:54 PM @Shaunwilden  #ELTchat probably.  but it's also very concise and sometimes very funny and clever
SueAnnan 9:54 PM RT @Marisa_C: Well 1 of my business ss forgot the rt idiom & came up w/ the memorable "He has a finger in vry tart" #ELTchat Love it :-)
shaznosel 9:54 PM @cioccas @SueAnnan HA! ha! #ELTCHAT
cioccas 9:54 PM Gobby app - What they don't teach you in English class: http://t.co/BaUWiW4H #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:54 PM @ljp2010 is that to do with the rise of texting, IMing etc, you think? #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:55 PM RT @shaznosel: @cioccas my ss have the books..I ll check them out for you! #ELtCHAT
KerrCarolyn 9:55 PM RT @Marisa_C: @SueAnnan  #ELTchat :-D I'll teach that one to my SS who insists he is 'a man of affairs' =)
singernick 9:55 PM @SueAnnan #eltchat Yorkshire saying: last time I saw an arse like that it wa pullin a cart lol
SueAnnan 9:56 PM @Marisa_C  shouls be Lesley, I think #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:56 PM Who's gonna collect all these idioms into  summary? #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:56 PM Five minutes before we 'turn in' who gonna be the "angel in disguise" who will be doing the summary ? #ELTchat
cioccas 9:56 PM @shaznosel Thanks! #ELTchat
SueAnnan 9:56 PM RT @English_York: Might have fun w/ idioms in my 1:1 lessons w/ a couple of Italians a Polish student (all adults). thx 4 the ideas #ELTchat
shaznosel 9:57 PM @singernick @SueAnnan Total man's idiom! #eltchat
cioccas 9:57 PM @SueAnnan @Marisa_C I'm quietly waiting in the hope someone else will volunteer  #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:57 PM @mrmohammedsheha you dont have to do it today :-) #ELTchat
mrmohammedsheha 9:57 PM not me it's 1 am here :( #ELTCHAT
Shaunwilden 9:57 PM @SueAnnan @cioccas  no she asked not to do the summary when she suggested the topic #ELTchat
barbsaka 9:57 PM Getting children to talk in English from the beginning by @kfraztsai via @OUPELTGlobal http://t.co/cMgxFvDa #eltchat
mrmohammedsheha 9:58 PM @Shaunwilden a vote is needed on the #ELTCHAT time , i think...:)
SueAnnan 9:58 PM @shaznosel  of course #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:59 PM @cioccas  #ELTchat no one else is ....
KerrCarolyn 9:59 PM RT @cioccas: @SueAnnan @Marisa_C I'm quietly waiting in the hope someone else will volunteer  #ELTchat - I have not a blog to post it to???
SueAnnan 9:59 PM @singernick  they are quite close to the bone, yorkshire idioms #eltchat
toulasklavou 9:59 PM Goodnight, everyone!informative chat as usual!#eltchat
singernick 9:59 PM @shaznosel @SueAnnan #eltchat Yorkshireman's idiom lol
Shaunwilden 10:00 PM @mrmohammedsheha unlikely we've had it as these times for 3 years, they are deliberate (12 and 21) so most people can join one  #ELTchat
Marisa_C 10:00 PM RT @ljp2010: #ELTchat don't let the bed bugs bite ;-) > ouch what was that!
shaznosel 10:00 PM l Fun chat as idioms can be funny! Night all..tired after writing last summary!! and a new blog! Night all! #eltchat
ljp2010 10:00 PM #ELTchat don't let the bed bugs bite ;-)
cioccas 10:00 PM @Shaunwilden @SueAnnan @Marisa_C - @KerrCarolyn may be interested #ELTchat
Marisa_C 10:00 PM @KerrCarolyn you can send to me and i will post it on the  #ELTchat blog - nooooo problem
Shaunwilden 10:00 PM So it's time to hit hay and put this chat to bed.....thanks all for joining  #ELTchat
SueAnnan 10:01 PM Thanks everyone for a really interesting chat. Lovely moderators #eltchat
mrmohammedsheha 10:01 PM night all....#ELTchat  <3

 

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