username |
time |
status |
SueAnnan |
9:00 PM |
Hello everyone :-)#ELTchat |
cioccas |
9:00 PM |
Question tags: Gen Y no longer tend to use them, innit? Or use other versions, right? That's the way it is, eh? #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:00 PM |
Topic is Redundant language, eg, out-of-date idioms, question tags, etc. 2 teach or not 2 teach! How 2 keep up? #ELTchat |
esolcourses |
9:00 PM |
RT @cioccas: RT @SueAnnan: for the next hour I will be taking part in #ELTchat < Me too! :-) |
naomishema |
9:00 PM |
Hi #eltchat! |
SophiaMav |
9:01 PM |
Hello all :) #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:01 PM |
@harrisonmike topic was suggested by @cioccas #ELTchat |
DaveDodgson |
9:01 PM |
From @OUPELTGlobal Getting children to talk in English from the beginning http://t.co/qeU30JHN #ELTchat |
SueAnnan |
9:01 PM |
I still use question tags every day. Who says they are redundant? #ELTchat |
cioccas |
9:01 PM |
The Question tag or not to tag came up at a local TESOL dinner here last week #ELTchat |
harrisonmike |
9:01 PM |
@Shaunwilden question tags out of date or redundant? Says who?? #eltchat |
mrmohammedsheha |
9:01 PM |
Hello all #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:02 PM |
@cioccas That's just wrong :-) #ELTchat |
SueAnnan |
9:02 PM |
Maybe they are not used in Strine? #ELTchat |
cioccas |
9:02 PM |
Seems to be a generational thing, innit? In Australia, they'd say '"eh" or "ay", eh? #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:02 PM |
@cioccas Care to explain why they are redundant? #ELTchat |
mrmohammedsheha |
9:02 PM |
I think Q tags were a part of every grammar book I've taught! #eltchat |
ljp2010 |
9:02 PM |
#Eltchat Hi all :-) tag qs not redundant by any means. Perhaps sophisticated but redundant, no way! |
teacherthom |
9:02 PM |
@harrisonmike @Shaunwilden True. We haven’t stopped using them completely... have we? #eltchat |
cioccas |
9:03 PM |
We decided need to teach them to over 50s, but maybe not to younger learners. #ELTchat |
SueAnnan |
9:03 PM |
@Marisa_C saw your pic. Is everything ok round your way? #ELTchat |
ljp2010 |
9:03 PM |
@SueAnnan #ELTchat I use 'em all the time, mate! |
teacherthom |
9:03 PM |
@cioccas ...you get me? #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:03 PM |
Good evening all from Athens in a great state of unrest - our future in the balance - apologies for being late but stuff happening #ELTchat |
cioccas |
9:03 PM |
Dinner convo - I was surprised too, but we agreed that Gen Y don't use question tags the way they are used in coursebooks #ELTchat |
ljp2010 |
9:03 PM |
#Eltchat @cioccas But in all registers? What if you were giving a more formal talk or in an interview? |
esolcourses |
9:04 PM |
@teacherthom @SueAnnan @cioccas I'd like to send tag questions to ELT room 101... much better ways of expressing same thing, IMO #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:04 PM |
tens of thousands of ppl out tonight - #eltchat |
dashpbmrd4 |
9:04 PM |
RT @cioccas: #ELTchat in 50 mins: Redundant language, eg, out-of-date idioms, question tags, etc. To teach or not to teach! How to keep ... |
mrmohammedsheha |
9:04 PM |
RT @naomishema: @cioccas what's the difference? over 50 or not? #ELTchat |
naomishema |
9:04 PM |
@cioccas what's the difference? over 50 or not? #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:04 PM |
@Marisa_C you ok, looks quite 'busy' on the streets #ELTchat |
SophiaMav |
9:04 PM |
Hi Marisa :) #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
9:04 PM |
We're lost! #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:05 PM |
@SueAnnan #ELTchat Lol it's whot's raining here right now - for a change |
cioccas |
9:05 PM |
@SueAnnan It was raining cats and dogs here yesterday! #ELTchat |
naomishema |
9:05 PM |
@cioccas haven't taught it for a long time. weak learners, not top priority #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:05 PM |
Hmm am gonna stick up for q. tag, they're great, arent they? #ELTchat |
SueAnnan |
9:05 PM |
@ljp2010 LOL #ELTchat |
cioccas |
9:05 PM |
RT @esolcourses: ... I'd like to send tag questions to ELT room 101... much better ways of expressing same thing, IMO #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
9:05 PM |
I agree with some of the out-dated idioms- when did you last say raining cats and dogs? #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
9:05 PM |
@ManosSY @SophiaMav #ELTchat hya!!! |
cioccas |
9:05 PM |
@naomishema That was just a random age we chose :) I'm trying to find out if it's a global thing #ELTchat |
naomishema |
9:06 PM |
RT @cioccas: At least the question tags question got the chat off to a racing start, ay? :) #ELTchat |
mrmohammedsheha |
9:06 PM |
when ur non native English teaching using out of date idioms is confusing! #eltchat |
cioccas |
9:06 PM |
At least the question tags question got the chat off to a racing start, ay? :) #ELTchat |
SueAnnan |
9:06 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: Hmm am gonna stick up for q. tag, they're great, arent they? #ELTchat I'm with you there |
Shaunwilden |
9:06 PM |
I think we've quickly come to a decision on tags, but there is a lot to the topic #ELTchat |
cunningcanis |
9:06 PM |
#ELTchat hi all, think I'll be lurking as overexcited son (school trip tomorrow!) is just going to bed... |
ljp2010 |
9:06 PM |
#Eltchat loads of idioms seem very brit-centric to me too, often ones i've never heard of in cbs. |
cioccas |
9:07 PM |
And it's hard to keep up with younger generation slang, idioms, etc. #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:07 PM |
@cioccas @mrmohammedsheha Arent most idioms pointless anyway #ELTchat |
teacherthom |
9:07 PM |
@ljp2010 fair point, idioms do tend to date #eltchat |
SophiaMav |
9:07 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: RT @Shaunwilden: Hmm am gonna stick up for q. tag, theyre great, arent they? #ELTchat Im with you there #ELTchat |
cioccas |
9:07 PM |
RT @mrmohammedsheha: when ur non native English teaching using out of date idioms is confusing! #eltchat <Agree! How to keep up? |
Marisa_C |
9:07 PM |
RT @mrmohammedsheha: when ur non native English teaching using out of date idioms is confusing! #eltchat > true |
Shaunwilden |
9:07 PM |
RT @mrmohammedsheha: when ur non native English teaching using out of date idioms is confusing! #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:08 PM |
@cioccas A dose of reality tv is good for finding out current language #ELTchat |
KerrCarolyn |
9:08 PM |
#eltchat Isn't it supposed to be that 80% of English is now spoken between NNS? Are idioms still helpful? |
naomishema |
9:08 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: Also idioms can be geographically specific #ELTchat If you recognise them that's good enough IMHO #ELTchat |
naomishema |
9:08 PM |
Teachers can use update idioms, prob with coursebooks...#eltchat |
cioccas |
9:08 PM |
@Shaunwilden @mrmohammedsheha But I'm teaching migrants working here who hear idioms everyday at work #ELTchat |
ljp2010 |
9:08 PM |
#Eltchat @cioccas not if you spend a few minutes everyday on 9gag!!! |
SueAnnan |
9:08 PM |
Also idioms can be geographically specific #ELTchat If you recognise them that's good enough IMHO #ELTchat |
nakanotim |
9:08 PM |
RT @TheConsultantsE: 42 Writing Apps & Tools http://t.co/CtUp9JZd #mlearning #edtech #eltchat #engchat #ellchat |
Marisa_C |
9:08 PM |
@SophiaMav #ELTchat #ELTchat yes they are ,arent they :-D |
Marisa_C |
9:09 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @cioccas A dose of reality tv is good for finding out current language #ELTchat > it'[s the spoken lang which a prob tho |
ljp2010 |
9:09 PM |
#ELTchat @Shaunwilden am curious 2 know what reality tv u watch, shaun... |
cioccas |
9:09 PM |
RT @KerrCarolyn: #eltchat Isn't it supposed to be that 80% of English is now spoken between NNS? Are idioms still helpful? <Good point! |
mrmohammedsheha |
9:09 PM |
@cioccas Ssget their English out of movies and songs..so u try teach of them"I wouldn't do that for all the tea in china"! imagine #ELTCHAT |
cioccas |
9:10 PM |
Do find I have to teach Australian, British AND American idioms though, because of TV & movies #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:10 PM |
@SueAnnan How quaint ;-) #ELTchat |
naomishema |
9:10 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: I've got a student who is as nutty as a fruitcake at the moment. > haven't heard that in years!!!#ELTchat |
KerrCarolyn |
9:10 PM |
#eltchat http://t.co/5vdVeJUN Hugh Laurie and Ellen de Generes have fun with slang and idioms v v funny |
SueAnnan |
9:10 PM |
I've got a student who is as nutty as a fruitcake at the moment. #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
9:10 PM |
been following British tv lately on my ipad and it\s a great way to keep up with language change #ELtchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:10 PM |
@ljp2010 less now when I lived oversees I found tuning in Big brother a whole language learning experience #ELTchat |
cioccas |
9:10 PM |
@mrmohammedsheha Here in Australia, my Ss get 90% of English on the streets, shops & work! #ELTchat |
SophiaMav |
9:11 PM |
RT @cioccas: Do find I have to teach Australian, British AND American idioms though, because of TV & movies > true! #ELTchat |
SueAnnan |
9:11 PM |
@mrmohammedsheha do students need to learn them? #eltchat |
cioccas |
9:11 PM |
RT @KerrCarolyn: #eltchat http://t.co/kF1j71uS Hugh Laurie & Ellen de Generes have fun with slang and idioms v v funny |
SueAnnan |
9:11 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @SueAnnan How quaint ;-) #ELTchat LOL |
naomishema |
9:12 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @naomishema probably dated if it's in a course book :-) #ELTchat |
cioccas |
9:12 PM |
Often find I'm syaing "That's an expression my Dad would use." but some Ss are working with 80+ year-olds in aged care facilities! #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:12 PM |
@naomishema probably dated if it's in a course book :-) #ELTchat |
mrmohammedsheha |
9:12 PM |
@ciocca Idioms are important in English.Querstion is should we teach up-to-date or out-of-date idioms that Ss really need 2 learn #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:12 PM |
RT @naomishema: How do we judge which idiom is really out of date? #eltchat > google it? |
ljp2010 |
9:12 PM |
#Eltchat Surely good paraphrasing skills better than idioms e.g. pegs = crabs for clothes - genius!!! |
Shaunwilden |
9:12 PM |
RT @naomishema: How do we judge which idiom is really out of date? #eltchat |
naomishema |
9:12 PM |
RT @cioccas: RT @KerrCarolyn: #eltchat http://t.co/kF1j71uS Hugh Laurie & Ellen de Generes have fun with slang and idioms v v funny |
naomishema |
9:12 PM |
How do we judge which idiom is really out of date? #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
9:13 PM |
@teacherthom that's what i said before :-) #eltchat |
mrmohammedsheha |
9:13 PM |
@SueAnnan I think they're part of the English culture,so YES for some reason they should learn about them #ELTCHAT |
teacherthom |
9:13 PM |
@SueAnnan @mrmohammedsheha learn in terms of recognise rather than use maybe #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:13 PM |
@mrmohammedsheha I never see the point of teaching idioms but my sts love them so....#ELTchat |
KerrCarolyn |
9:13 PM |
@naomishema If the last person you remember saying it was a grandparent or a great auntie then it is probably out of date! #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:13 PM |
RT @mrmohammedsheha: @ciocca Idioms are important in English.Querstion is should we teach up-to-date or out-of-date idioms that Ss reall ... |
cioccas |
9:13 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @naomishema probably dated if it's in a course book :-) #ELTchat <True! |
SueAnnan |
9:14 PM |
RT @English_York: @SueAnnan And I'm as daft as a brush #ELTchat |
cioccas |
9:14 PM |
I love these books, but some out-of-date now: Understanding Spoken English http://t.co/Fe3hmflC (They have Aust'n versions too) #ELTchat |
paulsilles |
9:14 PM |
@Marisa_C Sounds so cool... Any good apps? #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:15 PM |
#thinking aloud are there categories of idioms I.e. topic that are less likely to change? #ELTchat |
cioccas |
9:15 PM |
@paulsilles @Marisa_C Aus e-phrase app & website : http://t.co/GEKOg6ab good for Australian idioms #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
9:15 PM |
@paulsilles film on tv #ELTchat after a while it asks u to pay but i can still watch on my laptop - |
mrmohammedsheha |
9:15 PM |
RT @teacherthom: @SueAnnan @mrmohammedsheha learn in terms of recognise rather than use maybe #eltchat AGREE |
Marisa_C |
9:16 PM |
i think the term 'redundant' is not correct #eltchat |
naomishema |
9:16 PM |
Just discussing idioms reminds of how awful it sounds when SS (& Politicians!) translate mother tongue idioms literally into Eng. #eltchat |
KerrCarolyn |
9:16 PM |
#eltchat Maybe we should write a book about 'business idioms'. My SS get so lost when someone starts going on abt 'pigs and chickens' |
cioccas |
9:16 PM |
RT @teacherthom: @SueAnnan @mrmohammedsheha learn in terms of recognise rather than use maybe #eltchat < Definitely! |
toulasklavou |
9:16 PM |
@shaznosel @marisa_c Just logged in, Redudant lang, to teach or not to teach#eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:16 PM |
@shaznosel yes in the middle of talking abt redundant or (rather) obsolete I should say expressins and idioms #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:16 PM |
RT @cioccas: @paulsilles @Marisa_C Aus e-phrase app & website : http://t.co/GEKOg6ab good for Australian idioms #ELTchat |
HOSNA_ELT |
9:17 PM |
@naomishema How should non native teachers recognize update idioms from out-of-date ones? Stick to the coursebooks? #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:17 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: @KerrCarolyn Have you tried Jargon buster? #eltchat > what's that - pls splain |
mrmohammedsheha |
9:17 PM |
How can we make non-native English Ss motivated to learm idioms they may never use or even hear!!Idioms they will soon forget #ELTCHAT |
cioccas |
9:17 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: i think the term 'redundant' is not correct #eltchat <Sorry, wasn't sure how to write my topic & did it v quickly :-) |
SueAnnan |
9:17 PM |
@FraterSprite Just use the #ELTChat hashtag |
Shaunwilden |
9:17 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: i think the term 'redundant' is not correct #eltchat - well redundant lang is sth else I guess |
esolcourses |
9:17 PM |
@cioccas @mrmohammedsheha I explain idioms to s's when they ask about them, but not convinced as to their general usefulness... #eltchat |
cioccas |
9:17 PM |
@KerrCarolyn I'm lost with the 'pigs and chickens' :-) #ELTchat |
SueAnnan |
9:17 PM |
@KerrCarolyn Have you tried Jargon buster? #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:18 PM |
@Marisa_C I agree boss :-) We should also extend it beyond just idioms #ELTchat |
KerrCarolyn |
9:18 PM |
@cioccas #eltchat With bacon and eggs, the chicken's are involved but the pigs are committed. Frankly dreadful =) |
JenMac_ESL |
9:18 PM |
#eltchat I think corpus-based materials can really help us determine up-to-date vs. old-fashioned idioms |
Marisa_C |
9:18 PM |
@cioccas eye u s the culprit! #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:18 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @Shaunwilden yes 'redundancy' is a different concept - we should be talking about obsolete lang or archaic expresssions et ... |
Marisa_C |
9:18 PM |
@Shaunwilden yes 'redundancy' is a different concept - we should be talking about obsolete lang or archaic expresssions etc; #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
9:18 PM |
@Marisa_C It's a business english jargon buster website. Works well when T confused too #eltchat |
KerrCarolyn |
9:18 PM |
@cioccas #eltchat. Commitment. Used to be 'skin in the game'. Now it's the cooked breakfast analogy ... |
shaznosel |
9:18 PM |
@Marisa_C I m here..how do we find tolics and twitpoll these days? Is' raining cats and dogs here btw..obselete. it's pouring #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:18 PM |
@mrmohammedsheha So why teach them? #ELTchat |
cioccas |
9:18 PM |
RT @esolcourses: I explain idioms to s's when they ask about them, but not convinced as to their general usefulness... #eltchat < Me too |
Marisa_C |
9:19 PM |
I't s the kind of language which may be accurate etc but called "booklish" #ELTchat |
cioccas |
9:19 PM |
@KerrCarolyn I'm still lost - maybe because I'm vegetarian :) Or perhaps because I haven't got a head for business :) #ELTchat |
KerrCarolyn |
9:19 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @SueAnnan: @KerrCarolyn Have you tried Jargon buster? #eltchat > what's that - pls splain, yes do |
Shaunwilden |
9:19 PM |
@mrmohammedsheha But if they serve no purpose why teach them? #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
9:19 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C I agree boss :-) We should also extend it beyond just idioms #ELTchat > yes cool |
mrmohammedsheha |
9:19 PM |
@Shaunwilden that's my question! I only teach them becoz I have to...they're part of the course im teaching :( #ELTCHAT |
esolcourses |
9:20 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @mrmohammedsheha But if they serve no purpose why teach them? #ELTchat ] can sometimes be foisted on us, perhaps? |
ljp2010 |
9:20 PM |
#ELTchat Wouldn't skills work be more beneficial? guessing meaning from context, asking for clarification, paraphrasing.... |
teacherthom |
9:20 PM |
Talking of outdated course books, check out this classic from the 80s I found at work the other day #eltchat http://t.co/5YwXof86 |
cioccas |
9:20 PM |
@KerrCarolyn Oh, got it now! Definitely a carnivore idiom :) #ELTchat |
naomishema |
9:20 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: I't s the kind of language which may be accurate etc but called "booklish" #ELTchat |
KerrCarolyn |
9:21 PM |
@esolcourses @Shaunwilden @mrmohammedsheha #ELTchat I teachto BE SS so they don't get lost when the 'natives' are being all idiomatic! |
SueAnnan |
9:21 PM |
Jargon bust http://t.co/GBeOMkaP #ELTchat |
shaznosel |
9:21 PM |
@mrmohammedsheha Agree! CPE exam full of 'em and as a native speaker I use so few. my grandma used loads! make idioms like a game!!#eltchat |
cioccas |
9:21 PM |
@esolcourses @Shaunwilden @mrmohammedsheha Do need to teach idioms that Ss will hear here in Aus #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
9:21 PM |
@teacherthom #eltchat lol nice hairdo - some ppl still have them tho |
JohnPfordresher |
9:21 PM |
“@avafruin: Auth Lang on Election Day http://t.co/KN0DnAx5 #teaching #esl #efl #eltchat<--gr8 post! perfect task 4 http://t.co/AR5iwoLI ;) |
Shaunwilden |
9:21 PM |
@esolcourses @mrmohammedsheha Thats my point, just coz they are in a course doenst mean they have to be taught #ELTchat |
mrmohammedsheha |
9:22 PM |
@Shaunwilden .in some work places, u should just follow the course book! I train the trainees following thir company's objectives #ELTCHAT |
shaznosel |
9:22 PM |
@esolcourses @Shaunwilden @mrmohammedsheha I only teach them for certain exam boards and the odd one for fun and to enrich ss lang #eltchat |
cioccas |
9:22 PM |
@naomishema @shaznosel No, just different ones #ELTchat |
SueAnnan |
9:22 PM |
@KerrCarolyn http://t.co/j5LB8Gs8 brilliant for BE jargon #eltchat |
naomishema |
9:22 PM |
@shaznosel so u think people R using less idioms nowadays? Hadn't though of that. #eltchat |
cioccas |
9:22 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: Jargon bust http://t.co/VGJzMKqx #ELTchat < Terrific! |
Marisa_C |
9:22 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: Jargon bust http://t.co/Lc7QmKBx #ELTchat > thanks ms SILVER #ELTchat Blogger! :-D |
mrmohammedsheha |
9:23 PM |
RT @shaznosel: CPE exam full of 'em and as a native speaker I use so few. my grandma used loads! make idioms like a game!!#eltchat AGREE |
Shaunwilden |
9:23 PM |
@mrmohammedsheha is it not possible to explain to them value of not following every thing? #ELTchat |
KerrCarolyn |
9:23 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: @KerrCarolyn http://t.co/wjFKmiNT brilliant for BE jargon #eltchat Merci!! |
SueAnnan |
9:23 PM |
I hear idioms around me all day. My colleagues use them lots. Especially when describing the students LOL #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
9:23 PM |
@shaznosel #eltchat agree that certain exam boards do still use rather outdated texts - yes - big bad backwash effect #ELTchat |
KerrCarolyn |
9:23 PM |
RT @cioccas: @KerrCarolyn Oh, got it now! Definitely a carnivore idiom :) #ELTchat - truly dreadful - I hope it fades soon =) |
teacherthom |
9:23 PM |
@Marisa_C lol! if you think the pic's bad you should have seen the activities! #eltchat |
ljp2010 |
9:24 PM |
#ELTchat When I go back to Oz the 1st few days I have trouble following convs - prob not lang but current cultural reference as assumed |
SueAnnan |
9:24 PM |
@KerrCarolyn je vous en prie #eltchat |
esolcourses |
9:24 PM |
@shaznosel @Shaunwilden @mrmohammedsheha true, Shaun. Cld be set for homework instead, if U think they may come up in exam, prhaps? #ELTChat |
naomishema |
9:25 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: I think all these - even outdated expressions useful for following literature - but picked up there more naturally anyway ... |
Marisa_C |
9:25 PM |
I think all these - even outdated expressions useful for following literature - but picked up there more naturally anyway no? #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
9:25 PM |
@ljp2010 good point. I have the same problem in Scotland :-) #ELTchat |
cioccas |
9:25 PM |
RT @shaznosel: ...make idioms like a game!! #eltchat < Yes, need to make it fun with idioms I think :) #ELTchat |
ljp2010 |
9:26 PM |
#ELTchat @Marisa_C Oh yes, always love a game of idioms charade :-) |
esolcourses |
9:26 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: I think all these - even outdated expressions useful for following literature - but picked up naturally anyway no? #eltchat |
cioccas |
9:26 PM |
@ljp2010 I live here and I feel out-of-date sometimes! Overhear conversations and I can't work out the idioms! #ELTchat |
naomishema |
9:26 PM |
@singernick There's a movie related to that idiom! #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:26 PM |
Idioms Charades is great - each word and then the whole idiom #Eltchat |
naomishema |
9:27 PM |
RT @teacherthom: are idioms more relevant for advanced learners? #eltchat > perhaps for convo classes, not academic ones (EAP) |
Marisa_C |
9:27 PM |
RT @teacherthom: are idioms more relevant for advanced learners? #eltchat > idiomatic lang EVIDENCE of fluency (Prodromou reseaerch) |
cioccas |
9:27 PM |
RT @teacherthom: are idioms more relevant for advanced learners? #eltchat < I think so as some too difficult for lower levels |
singernick |
9:27 PM |
RT @naomishema: @singernick There's a movie related to that idiom! #eltchat |
toulasklavou |
9:27 PM |
@shaznosel @esolcourses @Shaunwilden @mrmohammedsheha apart frm the fact you'r a NSP any other way 2 judge what's outdated or nt?#eltchat |
mrmohammedsheha |
9:27 PM |
http://t.co/bb1veqeV BBC offer this great thing about up to date idioms #ELTCHAT |
teacherthom |
9:27 PM |
are idioms more relevant for advanced learners? #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
9:28 PM |
@shaznosel she can't get the top jobs because she is a woman #eltchat |
cioccas |
9:28 PM |
@singernick @naomishema @shaznosel Yes, I took a while to work out what that meant when the film came out #ELTchat |
mrmohammedsheha |
9:28 PM |
@toulasklavou @shaznosel @esolcourses @Shaunwilden what's a NPS? #ELTCHAT |
SueAnnan |
9:28 PM |
students love them- but it's not my cup of tea wears thin after a bit #ELTchat |
shaznosel |
9:28 PM |
@Marisa_C So annoying! Today my s had one I d never heard of..she is hitting the glass ceiling..any ideas #eltchat |
singernick |
9:28 PM |
@naomishema really? #eltchat it was all over elections |
Marisa_C |
9:29 PM |
Idiom Swap Minute!!!! #eltchat |
naomishema |
9:29 PM |
RT @singernick: @naomishema really? #eltchat it was all over elections > here http://t.co/LNBdcVtb |
cioccas |
9:29 PM |
@shaznosel @Marisa_C Glass ceiling used a lot here in Aust. - http://t.co/GCojs0tP #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
9:29 PM |
you tube good for adults too now i think abt it why not #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:29 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Best place for teens is You Tube - give them a Mission - listen and find idioms to bring back to class #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
9:29 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Best place for teens is You Tube - give them a Mission - listen and find idioms to bring back to class #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:29 PM |
Best place for teens is You Tube - give them a Mission - listen and find idioms to bring back to class #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:29 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @teacherthom: are idioms more relevant for advanced learners? #eltchat > idiomatic lang EVIDENCE of fluency (Prodrom ... |
KerrCarolyn |
9:29 PM |
@shaznosel @Marisa_C #Eltchat - the invisible barrier that stops women from getting promoted |
ljp2010 |
9:30 PM |
#ELTchat Alright, what about the fave of adv cbs - inversions? |
KerrCarolyn |
9:30 PM |
#Eltchat - I like to teach learners to translate 121. "that's not my beer" or "look after your own onions" as we say where I come from... |
shaznosel |
9:30 PM |
@cioccas @naomishema Different and more topic related, such as jobs, life, etc.I think we use more phrasals and expressions today#eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:31 PM |
@Shaunwilden mine too #ELTchat |
toulasklavou |
9:31 PM |
@SueAnnan @shaznosel I'm impressed!#eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:31 PM |
@teacherthom #eltchat good point - may be |
ljp2010 |
9:31 PM |
@teacherthom #ELTchat think that's probably a fair point |
Shaunwilden |
9:31 PM |
@Marisa_C you tube and wallwisher combined and students searching for their own ideas - brilliant, that's going in my next talk :-) #ELTchat |
SueAnnan |
9:31 PM |
RT @teacherthom: are idioms more important for students living in an English-speaking environment? #eltchat possibly, yes |
cioccas |
9:31 PM |
RT @teacherthom: are idioms more important for students living in an English-speaking environment? #eltchat < I think so |
teacherthom |
9:31 PM |
are idioms more important for students living in an English-speaking environment? #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:31 PM |
competitons - idioms with colours animals parts of the body etc 0 make silly stories #ELTchat |
WarwickLanguage |
9:31 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @shaznosel #eltchat agree that certain exam boards do still use rather outdated texts - yes - big bad backwash effect #EL ... |
cioccas |
9:32 PM |
Aussie English for the Beginner – interactive http://t.co/8cJBlHdQ - most of these out-of-date now, but this is fun! #ELTchat |
SueAnnan |
9:32 PM |
@toulasklavou Why? #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:32 PM |
@Marisa_C :-) #ELTchat |
KerrCarolyn |
9:33 PM |
RT @cioccas: @shaznosel @Marisa_C Glass ceiling used a lot here in Aust. - http://t.co/7CHztZn2 #ELTchat - do you need a hammer? =) |
WarwickLanguage |
9:33 PM |
@SueAnnan @teacherthom important for #Mfl lang ust too #eltchat and integration |
singernick |
9:33 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C you tube and wallwisher combined and students searching for their own ideas - brilliant, that's going in my n ... |
Marisa_C |
9:34 PM |
@KerrCarolyn ha ha love them calling Twitter "lazyweb" #ELTchat |
naomishema |
9:34 PM |
@shaznosel the movie really makes that idoom crystal clear! great film! #eltchat |
FraterSprite |
9:34 PM |
@SueAnnan so modern hehe. thanks!! and so simple!!! #ELTChat |
SueAnnan |
9:34 PM |
@ljp2010 is that LIverpudlian? #ELTchat |
cioccas |
9:34 PM |
@KerrCarolyn @shaznosel @Marisa_C :-) A hammer would be useful to break through the glass ceiling :-) #ELTchat |
ljp2010 |
9:34 PM |
@cioccas #ELTchat do you teach ur sts to say "youse"? |
shaznosel |
9:34 PM |
@singernick @cioccas @naomishema @shaznosel .. wagging the dog- when smthg important is being influenced by smthg not as important! #eltchat |
cioccas |
9:35 PM |
@Shaunwilden @ljp2010 I love youse all! #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:35 PM |
we do seem to have got stuck in idioms, dont we? #ELTchat |
ljp2010 |
9:35 PM |
@SueAnnan #ELTchat Lot of people use it round where i'm from in aus. plural of you.... |
cioccas |
9:35 PM |
RT @ljp2010: @cioccas #ELTchat do you teach ur sts to say "youse"? < Oh no! :-) But it does come up as they hear it around them. |
Shaunwilden |
9:35 PM |
@ljp2010 say what? #ELTchat |
shaznosel |
9:35 PM |
@SueAnnan I can imagine those ones...#eltchat |
teacherthom |
9:36 PM |
do idioms reveal something about cultural trends? e.g. tax dodging, austerity measures, etc. all much more in use in UK post-2008 #eltchat |
esolcourses |
9:36 PM |
@SueAnnan @ljp2010 @cioccas we get 'youse' in scouseland as well - & more. Sometimes it feels like I double up as an interpreter ;) #eltchat |
cioccas |
9:36 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @cioccas @ljp2010 i could hear your rising intonation thoughout that :-) #ELTchat < Me too! |
toulasklavou |
9:36 PM |
cultural reference, usage, abundance of idioms, to what extent to teach'em @which ones:bother me all the time#eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:36 PM |
So what else would you like - let' s talk about anachronisms - enough of them in some coursebooks... #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:36 PM |
RT @ljp2010: #ELTchat i'll chuck inversions into the mix |
Shaunwilden |
9:36 PM |
@cioccas @ljp2010 i could hear your rising intonation thoughout that :-) #ELTchat |
singernick |
9:36 PM |
@shaznosel @cioccas @naomishema wag the dog is really catchy, don't u think? #eltchat |
ljp2010 |
9:36 PM |
#ELTchat i'll chuck inversions into the mix |
SueAnnan |
9:36 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: we do seem to have got stuck in idioms, dont we? #ELTchat what else was on the list? |
ljp2010 |
9:36 PM |
@cioccas #ELTchat :-D |
shaznosel |
9:37 PM |
@esolcourses @Shaunwilden @mrmohammedsheha Pure homework and odd discussion point..fun practice on.http://t.co/sSDD7qzt #eltchat |
cioccas |
9:37 PM |
@esolcourses @SueAnnan @ljp2010 Yes, a lot is interpreting what Ss hear so they can understand - I often warn about using it tho #ELTchat |
SueAnnan |
9:37 PM |
@esolcourses LOL Honey #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
9:38 PM |
RT @teacherthom: do idioms reveal something abt cultural trends? #eltchat I think so, but some are really old and still in use |
teacherthom |
9:39 PM |
@teacherthom ahem... or should I say collocations instead of idioms. Watching TV whilst tweeting is prob not the best idea! #eltchat |
shaznosel |
9:39 PM |
@teacherthom For sure..as I said my grandma used different ones...#ELTCHAT |
mrmohammedsheha |
9:39 PM |
RT @Nadyoula: I think it also has to do with the ages of the students. Younger students are more interesed in up-to-date indioms#eltchat |
cioccas |
9:39 PM |
RT @Nadyoula: I think it also has to do with the ages of the students. Younger students are more interesed in up-to-date indioms#eltchat |
Nadyoula |
9:39 PM |
I think it also has to do with the ages of the students. Younger students are more interesed in up-to-date indioms#eltchat |
mrmohammedsheha |
9:39 PM |
RT @shaznosel: @esolcourses @Shaunwilden @mrPure homework and odd discussion point..fun practice on.http://t.co/R8A2DXu5 #eltchat Thnx |
cioccas |
9:39 PM |
@Shaunwilden @ljp2010 This is me :-) Australian rising intonation - http://t.co/2Zn1LSfO #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
9:40 PM |
@teacherthom #eltchat there u go - how often have we seen whilst in books - how often used in every day lang |
Shaunwilden |
9:40 PM |
@ljp2010 Did anyone go with you on the idea of inversion? #ELTchat |
cioccas |
9:40 PM |
@hannahpinkham Definitely need a usage warning on some language though :) #ELTchat |
SueAnnan |
9:40 PM |
@Marisa_C which anachronisms were you thinking of? #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:40 PM |
@Nadyoula i think you're right about age #ELTchat |
hannahpinkham |
9:40 PM |
#eltchat My Spanish teacher has a star system for language: 1* use it, 2*s be careful, 3* native speakers only. Not sure how I feel about it |
cioccas |
9:41 PM |
@Shaunwilden @ljp2010 Can you explain 'inversion' please? #ELTchat |
ljp2010 |
9:41 PM |
#ELTchat @Shaunwilden No, they all love their idioms too much (and I was watching the intonation vid :-) |
mrmohammedsheha |
9:41 PM |
@Nadyoula leave a space before(#ELTCHAT) so we all can see ur tweets :) thanks |
Marisa_C |
9:41 PM |
@SueAnnan for one thing not teaching language "as she is spoke" - full questions full answers no ellipsis #ELTchat |
esolcourses |
9:41 PM |
@SueAnnan @teacherthom inclined to think there is some value in teaching new idioms that enter lang - may help provide context, etc #eltchat |
cunningcanis |
9:42 PM |
@SueAnnan I just noticed that- ta #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:42 PM |
right who just mentioned the perennial perversion of inversions #eltchat just cos it\s in exams |
ljp2010 |
9:42 PM |
#ELTchat adv cbs are full of 'em - never have i been so..., Not only do you go up at the end of a sentence |
SueAnnan |
9:42 PM |
@cioccas hardly had I... when... #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:42 PM |
@cioccas I presume she mean things like never before have i been asked.....#ELTchat |
SueAnnan |
9:42 PM |
@Marisa_C I have a good lesson on ellipsis- very useful true #ELTchat |
cioccas |
9:43 PM |
@Shaunwilden @SueAnnan Thanks! #ELTchat |
SueAnnan |
9:43 PM |
@Marisa_C needs must if you teach EAP #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:43 PM |
@Marisa_C perennial perversion of inversion.....now there's a sentence #ELTchat |
ljp2010 |
9:43 PM |
@Marisa_C #ELTchat Have to teach them at higher levels, particularly for exams |
naomishema |
9:43 PM |
Sorry all, too sleepy to stay till midnight - long days! Goodnight! #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:43 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: @Marisa_C I have a good lesson on ellipsis- very useful true #ELTchat > i want it ! pretty pls |
Marisa_C |
9:44 PM |
Had I known you liked stuff like that. I would have produced more of it - :-D #ELTchat - that's waht i meant |
cunningcanis |
9:44 PM |
@esolcourses @sueannan @ljp2010 @cioccas same here in Scotland:) #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:44 PM |
@Shaunwilden Had I know you liked stuff like that. I would have produced more of it - :-D #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
9:45 PM |
@Shaunwilden innit indeed #ELTchat |
cioccas |
9:45 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C perennial perversion of inversion.....now there's a sentence #ELTchat :-) |
Shaunwilden |
9:45 PM |
@Marisa_C lol - Not only do I like inversion but also....yes it really is overdone in hiigh lvl cbks innit? #ELTchat |
ljp2010 |
9:45 PM |
#ELTchat So difficult to use naturally are they that sts typically turn into yoda for a few weeks after teaching them. |
cioccas |
9:45 PM |
@ljp2010 @Marisa_C Got it &probably why I haven't heard the term in this context- my Ss need more immediate language for life/work #ELTchat |
cunningcanis |
9:46 PM |
@ljp2010 #eltchat lol |
cioccas |
9:46 PM |
RT @KerrCarolyn: RT @Marisa_C: @Shaunwilden innit indeed #ELTchat I feel the Welsh are being underrepresented, issat? < Yay, another one! |
Nadyoula |
9:46 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C perennial perversion of inversion.....now there's a sentence #ELTchat |
CELT_Athens |
9:46 PM |
@cioccas lol aye #ELTchat |
KerrCarolyn |
9:46 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @Shaunwilden innit indeed #ELTchat I feel the Welsh are being underrepresented, issat? |
cioccas |
9:46 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @Shaunwilden innit indeed #ELTchat < That's for sure, ay? |
shaznosel |
9:46 PM |
@Marisa_C Do you mean things like good manners...etc #eltchat |
SueAnnan |
9:47 PM |
@cioccas MY Italien colleague says 'No?' and my youngster says 'Right?' #ELTchat |
singernick |
9:47 PM |
#eltchat inversion is a bit old hat don't u think? |
cioccas |
9:47 PM |
RT @ljp2010: #ELTchat So difficult to use naturally are they that sts typically turn into yoda for a few weeks after teaching them. |
Marisa_C |
9:47 PM |
@cioccas @Shaunwilden #ELTchat #ELTchat and misunderestimated most likely |
teacherthom |
9:47 PM |
@ljp2010 true that is #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:48 PM |
Ok ten mins left what else shall we turn our attention to?#ELTchat |
SueAnnan |
9:49 PM |
-@KerrCarolyn haven't heard that for years #ELTchat |
cioccas |
9:49 PM |
Any other websites with 'fashionable English' to help out those in non-English speaking countries (& age-challenged amongst us)? #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
9:49 PM |
@Shaunwilden #ELTchat genres and specific idioms ? |
KerrCarolyn |
9:49 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: @cioccas MY Italien colleague says 'No?'and my youngster says 'Right?' #ELTchat Scottish kids say 'i'm right, amenta' yikes!! |
SueAnnan |
9:49 PM |
have we added inversion to EFL 101 ? #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:50 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @Shaunwilden #ELTchat genres and specific idioms ? |
Marisa_C |
9:50 PM |
@ljp2010 #ELTchat aaah great minds |
cioccas |
9:50 PM |
@KerrCarolyn @SueAnnan Yikes indeedy! #ELTchat |
ljp2010 |
9:50 PM |
#ELTchat http://t.co/fKkNxnDX@cioccas Urban dictionary |
Marisa_C |
9:51 PM |
have we dried up #eltchat |
cioccas |
9:51 PM |
RT (with correct link) @ljp2010: #ELTchat Urban dictionary http://t.co/CmYeYeW4 |
SueAnnan |
9:51 PM |
describing things and people#ELTchat |
cioccas |
9:52 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: The lights are on but there's nobody at home. great idiom :-)#ELTchat |
shaznosel |
9:52 PM |
@cioccas There are some good books on idioms too..especially CUP/OUP/Longmans which are up to date and organised by topics #eltchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:52 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: have we dried up #eltchat I think everyone is trying to work out how to get an idiom, inversion or tag into their tweet |
SueAnnan |
9:52 PM |
The lights are on but there's nobody at home. great idiom :-)#ELTchat |
mrmohammedsheha |
9:52 PM |
I really enjoy #ELTCHAT only if the time was little earlier it's 12:51 am here now :( U should do something! |
KerrCarolyn |
9:52 PM |
#eltchat International Englishes? |
cioccas |
9:52 PM |
@Marisa_C No, but slowed down maybe #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
9:53 PM |
Well - a story - one of my business ss forgot the right idiom and came up with the memorable "He has a finger in very tart" #ELTchat |
KerrCarolyn |
9:53 PM |
#eltchat Inversions feature in International Englishes so if our SS want to communicate globally they need to know about the use |
ljp2010 |
9:53 PM |
#ELTchat a lot of teens tend to use http://t.co/WjwZhr58 remarkably sparse on the language front! |
cioccas |
9:53 PM |
@shaznosel Would love recommendations of specific up-to-date titles! #ELTchat |
eltknowledge |
9:53 PM |
RT @ljp2010: #ELTchat So difficult to use naturally are they that sts typically turn into yoda for a few weeks after teaching them. |
Marisa_C |
9:54 PM |
@SueAnnan #ELTchat :-D |
ljp2010 |
9:54 PM |
@Shaunwilden #ELTchat probably. but it's also very concise and sometimes very funny and clever |
SueAnnan |
9:54 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: Well 1 of my business ss forgot the rt idiom & came up w/ the memorable "He has a finger in vry tart" #ELTchat Love it :-) |
shaznosel |
9:54 PM |
@cioccas @SueAnnan HA! ha! #ELTCHAT |
cioccas |
9:54 PM |
Gobby app - What they don't teach you in English class: http://t.co/BaUWiW4H #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:54 PM |
@ljp2010 is that to do with the rise of texting, IMing etc, you think? #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:55 PM |
RT @shaznosel: @cioccas my ss have the books..I ll check them out for you! #ELtCHAT |
KerrCarolyn |
9:55 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @SueAnnan #ELTchat :-D I'll teach that one to my SS who insists he is 'a man of affairs' =) |
singernick |
9:55 PM |
@SueAnnan #eltchat Yorkshire saying: last time I saw an arse like that it wa pullin a cart lol |
SueAnnan |
9:56 PM |
@Marisa_C shouls be Lesley, I think #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:56 PM |
Who's gonna collect all these idioms into summary? #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
9:56 PM |
Five minutes before we 'turn in' who gonna be the "angel in disguise" who will be doing the summary ? #ELTchat |
cioccas |
9:56 PM |
@shaznosel Thanks! #ELTchat |
SueAnnan |
9:56 PM |
RT @English_York: Might have fun w/ idioms in my 1:1 lessons w/ a couple of Italians a Polish student (all adults). thx 4 the ideas #ELTchat |
shaznosel |
9:57 PM |
@singernick @SueAnnan Total man's idiom! #eltchat |
cioccas |
9:57 PM |
@SueAnnan @Marisa_C I'm quietly waiting in the hope someone else will volunteer #ELTchat |
Shaunwilden |
9:57 PM |
@mrmohammedsheha you dont have to do it today :-) #ELTchat |
mrmohammedsheha |
9:57 PM |
not me it's 1 am here :( #ELTCHAT |
Shaunwilden |
9:57 PM |
@SueAnnan @cioccas no she asked not to do the summary when she suggested the topic #ELTchat |
barbsaka |
9:57 PM |
Getting children to talk in English from the beginning by @kfraztsai via @OUPELTGlobal http://t.co/cMgxFvDa #eltchat |
mrmohammedsheha |
9:58 PM |
@Shaunwilden a vote is needed on the #ELTCHAT time , i think...:) |
SueAnnan |
9:58 PM |
@shaznosel of course #eltchat |
Marisa_C |
9:59 PM |
@cioccas #ELTchat no one else is .... |
KerrCarolyn |
9:59 PM |
RT @cioccas: @SueAnnan @Marisa_C I'm quietly waiting in the hope someone else will volunteer #ELTchat - I have not a blog to post it to??? |
SueAnnan |
9:59 PM |
@singernick they are quite close to the bone, yorkshire idioms #eltchat |
toulasklavou |
9:59 PM |
Goodnight, everyone!informative chat as usual!#eltchat |
singernick |
9:59 PM |
@shaznosel @SueAnnan #eltchat Yorkshireman's idiom lol |
Shaunwilden |
10:00 PM |
@mrmohammedsheha unlikely we've had it as these times for 3 years, they are deliberate (12 and 21) so most people can join one #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
10:00 PM |
RT @ljp2010: #ELTchat don't let the bed bugs bite ;-) > ouch what was that! |
shaznosel |
10:00 PM |
l Fun chat as idioms can be funny! Night all..tired after writing last summary!! and a new blog! Night all! #eltchat |
ljp2010 |
10:00 PM |
#ELTchat don't let the bed bugs bite ;-) |
cioccas |
10:00 PM |
@Shaunwilden @SueAnnan @Marisa_C - @KerrCarolyn may be interested #ELTchat |
Marisa_C |
10:00 PM |
@KerrCarolyn you can send to me and i will post it on the #ELTchat blog - nooooo problem |
Shaunwilden |
10:00 PM |
So it's time to hit hay and put this chat to bed.....thanks all for joining #ELTchat |
SueAnnan |
10:01 PM |
Thanks everyone for a really interesting chat. Lovely moderators #eltchat |
mrmohammedsheha |
10:01 PM |
night all....#ELTchat <3 |
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