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If teachers talked less wouldnt the sts speak Eng more

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This is the transcript of #eltchat on 31.10.2012 on the topic of  If teachers talked less wouldn't the sts speak Eng more?

 

username time status
Marisa_C 8:59 PM 2 mins to #eltchat If teachers talked less wouldn’t the sts speak Eng more?   - Anyone here to talk about it?
Marisa_C 8:59 PM @Shaunwilden  #eltchat  hmmmm?
Marisa_C 8:59 PM @naomishema  #eltchat Hi Naomi long time no see :-)
Shaunwilden 8:59 PM @Marisa_C hmm i am but not sure, if i talk less will more people talk? #eltchat
naomishema 8:59 PM @Marisa_C I am! Good evening! #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:00 PM @naomishema but hopefully WE haven't turned into aliens since :-D  #eltchat
ELT_Osama_Ali 9:00 PM That's true. Teachers should be only facilitators. Give instructions, set goals, Guide Ss through activity. then follow up
cioccas 9:00 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C hmm i am but not sure, if i talk less will more people talk? #eltchat
naomishema 9:00 PM @Marisa_C missed you all! either I couldn't attend or it was a subject too alien to participate... #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:01 PM So why the question? Is reducing teacher talk a problem any of you face? #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:01 PM @ELT_Osama_Ali Hello and welcome - remember the hashtag #ELTchat
mrmohammedsheha 9:01 PM We'll always talk less as we just tweet :) #eltchat
esolcourses 9:02 PM RT @englishteach8: RT @ShellTerrell: Lesson Plan: A Visual Bucket List http://t.co/zlNByrxY #eltchat #esl #ellchat #besig #tefl #elt #iatefl
cioccas 9:02 PM @Marisa_C I have problems with pregnant pauses and have to resist filling them myself #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:02 PM #eltchat If teachers talked less wouldn’t the sts speak Eng more or ways to engage learners to take control of the lessons..
naomishema 9:02 PM @cioccas Hi! Question is if our American friends have power at the moment! #ELTchat
SueAnnan 9:02 PM evening peeps from #eltchat
naomishema 9:02 PM @Marisa_C I"ll check it out this evening! LOl! #eltchat
cioccas 9:02 PM Should be lots of #ELTchat activity from the USA today if the  geographic breakdown on the poll is correct :)
SueAnnan 9:03 PM @Shaunwilden  I wind my students up and let them go at the moment :-) #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:03 PM @cioccas lol i ve seen that so many times - silence is not dangerous! #ELTchat
cioccas 9:03 PM @Marisa_C @SueAnnan @esolcourses Cheers Marisa and all #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:03 PM So whats wrong with some good teacher talk :) #eltchat
cioccas 9:03 PM @naomishema Maybe they feel they need a voice :) #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:03 PM @SueAnnan  #ELTchat Welcome @cioccas @esolcourses  #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:04 PM @Marisa_C well lecturing them might be bad, being an equal participant good for example #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:04 PM @ManosSY  #ELTchat Yo Mano!
SueAnnan 9:04 PM @cioccas  can't get a word in myself. It's great :-) #eltchat
cioccas 9:04 PM RT @SueAnnan: @Shaunwilden  I wind my students up and let them go at the moment :-) #eltchat <Yep, that'll do it!
Marisa_C 9:04 PM RT @Shaunwilden: So whats wrong with some good teacher talk :) #eltchat > so there's good TT and bad TT? What's the diff pls?
mrmohammedsheha 9:05 PM Teachers TALK to motivate,guide,instruct, but never to fill in the class time.U talk as much as it's needed to fulfill ur objective #ELTchat
cioccas 9:05 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C well lecturing them might be bad, being an equal participant good for example #eltchat < Agree
Marisa_C 9:05 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C well lecturing them might be bad, being an equal participant good for example #eltchat
esolcourses 9:05 PM @cioccas @Marisa_C @SueAnnan  thanks for that welcome nudge... had my head down working, and would have missed #eltchat otherwise! :-)
cioccas 9:05 PM RT @SueAnnan: @cioccas  can't get a word in myself. It's great :-) #eltchat < I love those moments, but soemtimes hard to wind them up :-)
Marisa_C 9:05 PM So the equation seems to go - the less we talk the more Ss talk? #eltchat
cioccas 9:06 PM RT @SueAnnan: It doesn't always figure that sts talk when Ts don't, though #ELTchat < True!
Marisa_C 9:06 PM RT @SueAnnan: It doesn't always figure that sts talk when Ts don't, though #ELTchat > good point Sue - ss shd have a reason to % motivation
Shaunwilden 9:06 PM @SueAnnan quite - good point :-) #eltchat
ELT_Osama_Ali 9:06 PM @Marisa_C only of Ss are directed well to the goal of the lesson or exercise #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:06 PM Lecturing, explicating, expounding tho seem to be part and parcel of so many education cultures - often v difficult to get rid of #ELTchat
SueAnnan 9:06 PM It doesn't always figure that sts talk when Ts don't, though #ELTchat
SueAnnan 9:07 PM @Marisa_C  some classes just have little to say for themselves #ELTchat
cunningcanis 9:07 PM RT @leoselivan: RT @SophiaMav: To read better, improve your pronunciation? http://t.co/6mqgC0cS via @teflerinha  #elt #efl #esl #eltchat
esolcourses 9:07 PM RT @Marisa_C: So the equation seems to go - the less we talk the more Ss talk? #eltchat ] in theory; perhaps. Tho depends on context/level
esolcourses 9:08 PM @SueAnnan @cioccas @Marisa_C with beginners a fair bit of TTT can be required to get the ball rolling/keep it going, IME #eltchat
naomishema 9:08 PM If SS talk a lot, with mistakes, does the T assume the role of "the corrector" instead of "modeling"? sounds problematic if 2 much #eltchat
mrmohammedsheha 9:08 PM @Marisa_C I suffer 4m this myself. Relying on the teacher's talk and the book is planted in some Ss cultures. #ELTchat
SueAnnan 9:09 PM @esolcourses  I agree, as they don't have the vocabulary to continue for too long #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:09 PM RT @SueAnnan: @Marisa_C  some classes just have little to say for themselves #ELTchat > perhaps need more guided prompts?
SueAnnan 9:09 PM @naomishema  I think there is a time for correction, but not if students are in full flow #eltchat
cioccas 9:09 PM @Teachersilvert - your topic is being discussed on #ELTchat right now - please join in if you can.
Marisa_C 9:09 PM This topic is very much linked to the lunchtime #ELTchat - performance teaching & TT seem to go together - smtms great - othertimes not
cioccas 9:10 PM Second part of topic is: "...ways to engage learners to take control of the lessons, techniques and tips" #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:10 PM @naomishema @SueAnnan does that imply that sts have to be corrected? #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:10 PM @Marisa_C  my colleagues prompt, and sometimes get nowhere. Sts unmotivated to talk #ELTchat
ELT_Osama_Ali 9:10 PM Can anyone suggest some ways?!
esolcourses 9:10 PM RT @SueAnnan: @Marisa_C  some classes just have little to say for themselves #ELTchat ] agree.  Though also think we ought to address that
mrmohammedsheha 9:10 PM RT @SueAnnan @cioccas @Marisa_C with beginners a fair bit of TTT can be required to get the ball rolling/keep it going, IME #eltchat (Agree
naomishema 9:10 PM RT @SueAnnan: @esolcourses  I agree, as they don't have the vocabulary to continue for too long #eltchat
akhssass 9:11 PM @ELTchat  did the chat satrt?
Shaunwilden 9:11 PM @SueAnnan agreed, I just dont like the idea that we might feel compelled to correct #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:11 PM RT @aClilToClimb: @naomishema surely there's time for fluency n time for accuracy? > do both require same amount of TT?
SueAnnan 9:11 PM @Shaunwilden  not always but they can be helped sometimes to be more accurate #eltchat
aClilToClimb 9:11 PM @naomishema surely there's time for fluency n time for accuracy?
Shaunwilden 9:12 PM @SueAnnan see if the teacher doesnt correct then the sts does ;-) #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 9:12 PM Evening event ended early. what's the topic? #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:12 PM @Shaunwilden  compelled even #eltchat
aClilToClimb 9:12 PM @Marisa_C no #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:12 PM @Shaunwilden  i never feel compleed, but I think it has its uses #eltchat
naomishema 9:12 PM @Shaunwilden don't believe in ss being constantly corrected but  need 2 be exposed to correct lang as well? #eltchat
shaznosel 9:13 PM @esolcourses @Marisa_C Evening!TTT is a hugechallenge for me..have to bear in mind talk with ss and not at..promote pairwork etc #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:13 PM @MarjorieRosenbe hi, #eltchat If teachers talked less wouldn’t the sts speak Eng more or ways to engage learners to take control
Marisa_C 9:13 PM @aClilToClimb but often see Ts having a hard time stopping talking and giving the floor to their Ss  #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:13 PM @Shaunwilden I am usually the last resort #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:14 PM @shaznosel Question we need to ask ourselves is why can't we stop talking IF we feel we should have talked less  #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:14 PM @Shaunwilden  sticking tongue out ! #eltchat
mrmohammedsheha 9:14 PM Sometimes the TT is the main source to make SS practice their listening if they can't do this outside the class #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:14 PM @SueAnnan Sorry i was playing on the fact you self-corrected your typo #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:14 PM @shaznosel  pair work is certainly a good idea to get sts talking #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:15 PM @mrmohammedsheha  #ELTchat Listening to T for a purpose to practise listening is good use of TT
Shaunwilden 9:15 PM RT @mrmohammedsheha: Sometimes the TT is the main source to make SS practice their listening if they can't do this outside the class #EL ...
SueAnnan 9:15 PM @Shaunwilden  #eltchat
naomishema 9:16 PM RT @akhssass: #eltchat one way to do it is to share the learning intentions with students
Shaunwilden 9:16 PM RT @toulasklavou: Hello!pairwork &groupwork definitely ways to minimise TT#eltchat
akhssass 9:16 PM #eltchat one way to do it is to share the learning intentions with students
shaznosel 9:16 PM @Marisa_C @aClilToClimb 2 TRUE! SS need to be autonomous and take control of own learning T should prompt and take step back #eltchat
toulasklavou 9:16 PM Hello!pairwork &groupwork definitely ways to minimise TT#eltchat
SueAnnan 9:16 PM @vickyloras ELTchat
naomishema 9:16 PM Isn't the need to talk  related to our desire to give the ss as much as possible in a short time, when less is often more? #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:16 PM RT @aClilToClimb: @Marisa_C Surely if there's an activity that ss hv to do amng themselves, tchr only has to shut up & monitor? #eltchat Yes
mrmohammedsheha 9:16 PM @Marisa_C @shaznosel becoz we're humans&sometimes we forget that we're there 2 teach! and go on following our human instinct #ELTchat
aClilToClimb 9:16 PM @Marisa_C Surely if there's an activity that ss hv to do amng themselves, tchr only has to shut up & monitor? #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:17 PM RT @akhssass: #eltchat one way to do it is to share the learning intentions with students > this might increase STT but may not stop TTT
SueAnnan 9:17 PM @aClilToClimb  Hi Chiew. I think that T as model is only okay in a limited way #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 9:17 PM @Marisa_C Hi Maria, evening event ended early so I am here. #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:17 PM RT @toulasklavou: Hello!pairwork &groupwork definitely ways to minimise TT#eltchat > so more s-centred activs
aClilToClimb 9:17 PM @mrmohammedsheha well, that depends on the activity, no? If your aim is for listening skills, then fine #eltchat
shaznosel 9:18 PM RT @Marisa_C: @mrmohammedsheha  #ELTchat Listening to T for a purpose to practise listening is good use of TT
aClilToClimb 9:18 PM @SueAnnan totally agree. Ss have to be exposed to variety. That's the way the world is #eltchat
shaznosel 9:18 PM @mrmohammedsheha Good point but again we have to talk with and not at ss..difficult one..#eltchat
mrmohammedsheha 9:18 PM @naomishema That's the point,but somtimes by talking more we JUST practice our own English not theirs. #ELTchat .
cioccas 9:18 PM RT @akhssass: #eltchat one way to do it is to share the learning intentions with students < Yes, they might be encouraged to take control
esolcourses 9:19 PM @shaznosel @Marisa_C Hi Sharon!  Biggest challenge for me where TTT is concerned is teaching small classes with mostly quiet s's #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:19 PM Often Ts don't think of rehearsing instructions or explanations; not all Ts good on their feet , esp new Ts #ELTchat
SueAnnan 9:19 PM I ask for sts opinions and let them get on with it #ELTchat
akhssass 9:19 PM #eltchat Students need to know where they are going where they are in their learning  and how best to get there.
shaznosel 9:20 PM @Marisa_C Good Q! It's a case of being aware of why we are talking and then stop..#eltchat
naomishema 9:20 PM What about  SS that "hog" the talking time? I had a problem with that last adult course I taught. Two wanted 2 talk no matter what #ELTchat
aClilToClimb 9:20 PM I think tt shd be minimised to giving instructions and clarifying complicated points. Shd try to get ss to do as much as poss #eltchat
esolcourses 9:20 PM RT @SueAnnan: I ask for sts opinions and let them get on with it #ELTchat ] same here, Sue.  Key to it I think is knowing when to step back
SueAnnan 9:21 PM @Marisa_C  always a good plan :-) #ELTchat
naomishema 9:21 PM I'd really like advice on that one - even when I called on SS by name those two would "butt in"! #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:21 PM RT @aClilToClimb: @Marisa_C hence the importance of pre-planning and anticipation > absolutely
Marisa_C 9:21 PM RT @SueAnnan: @naomishema  can you pair them together? #ELTchat> Brilliant let them outshout each other
cioccas 9:21 PM RT @shaznosel: ... TRUE! SS need to be autonomous and take control of own learning T should prompt and take step back #eltchat
esolcourses 9:21 PM RT @aClilToClimb: I think tt shd be minimised to giving instructions and clarifying complicated points. Shd try to get ss to do as much  ...
aClilToClimb 9:21 PM @Marisa_C hence the importance of pre-planning and anticipation
Marisa_C 9:21 PM @naomishema  #ELTchat an interesting turn to our chat - stopping the unstoppable sts
SueAnnan 9:21 PM @naomishema  can you pair them together? #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:21 PM @aClilToClimb ok fair enough but why remove them from an authenticate source of language? #eltchat
naomishema 9:22 PM @aClilToClimb maybe that's it. group discussion with 37 ss, not good idea,,, #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:22 PM @naomishema  #ELTchat #ELTchat It works! I've used it too :-D
Alymosaad 9:22 PM @akhssass yes brief and clear instructions put the Ss in the action maximizing their talk time and perform well in cl.#eltchat
cioccas 9:22 PM @naomishema: What about  SS that "hog" the talking time? #ELTchat <Yes, I sometimes have same problem - pair them up together?
naomishema 9:22 PM @SueAnnan @Marisa_C  interesting idea!#ELTchat #ELTchat
shaznosel 9:22 PM @esolcourses @Marisa_C Yes! I make sure I have prompts at hand - to prompt me to shut up and prompt ss to respond! #eltchat
aClilToClimb 9:22 PM @naomishema I'm an advocate of pw and grp work. Open class discussion works in small & equal class #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:23 PM @naomishema  thats a large no of students. I'd do TBL stuff to get them working in groups #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:23 PM @naomishema  #eltchat do u mean open class discussion? > why not groups then leaders report ?
MyTownTutorsMA 9:23 PM RT @cybraryman1: Wed Chats 1 #ELTchat (2)  #ntchat #ptchat #2ndchat  #yalitchat #ctchat #3rdchat #spnchat #txed #symchat #1to1techat htt ...
aClilToClimb 9:24 PM RT @SueAnnan: @naomishema  thats a large no of students. Id do TBL stuff to get them working in groups> Tht's 1 way! #eltchat
shaznosel 9:24 PM @toulasklavou Hi babe! Yes! P/W and grps are motivating and challenging so motivating- task based learning great for this#eltchat
mrmohammedsheha 9:24 PM Question:How to balance betwn our desire 2 talk 2 hlp them as mch as we can&the fact that we shd make thm talk more #ELTchat
cioccas 9:24 PM @Marisa_C @naomishema Need to be careful that 'leader' isn't doing too much 'leading' in group chat though! #ELTchat
naomishema 9:24 PM @Marisa_C I'm about 2 start another course, will try! #eltchat
aClilToClimb 9:24 PM @naomishema not only not gd idea but impossible act ;) #eltchat
shaznosel 9:25 PM A variety of methods helps TTT and ownership..TBL..etc..#eltchat
7Mrsjames 9:25 PM You can never cross the ocean unless you have the courage to lose sight of the shore.
naomishema 9:25 PM RT @SueAnnan: @naomishema  thats a large no of students. I'd do TBL stuff to get them working in groups #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:25 PM RT @akhssass: #eltchat you can use also No Hands up technique > ????
aClilToClimb 9:25 PM @mrmohammedsheha Whose desire? Yours? Not mine #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:25 PM @cioccas perhaps should have said at end of group activity t or ss appoint a spokesperson  #ELTchat
akhssass 9:25 PM #eltchat you can use also No Hands up technique
aClilToClimb 9:26 PM RT @shaznosel: A variety of methods helps TTT and ownership..TBL..etc..#eltchat Agreed! #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:26 PM @7Mrsjames  is this relevant to our chat? pls don't use our hashtag while we re having an #ELTchat
cioccas 9:26 PM @Marisa_C Yes.  But sometimes still have problem in groups with someone trying to lead or dominate. Turns others off too  #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:26 PM @naomishema use a ball of string, with the hogs and non hogs each time sb talks they pass the ball of string, at the end of task...#eltchat
naomishema 9:26 PM Whats no hands up technique? #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:27 PM @Shaunwilden  what a cool idea :-) #eltchat
naomishema 9:27 PM @Shaunwilden Do they unravel the ball of string? if not, why string? #eltchat
akhssass 9:27 PM #eltchat use enterance and exit tickets in which SS write their remarks
shaznosel 9:27 PM @Marisa_C @akhssass Please explain! #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:27 PM @naomishema there is a web made of who spoke and most, can use it to highlight and feedback on task...why did some speak more etc#eltchat
akhssass 9:28 PM #eltchat no students raises his hand only to ask a question it s the teacher who chooses the student who is going to answer
cioccas 9:28 PM @Shaunwilden I like this! Looking for some string straight after #ELTchat
mrmohammedsheha 9:28 PM @aClilToClimb @shaznosel I don't have enough idea of using TBL in English class.I'll be grateful for any hints for future use. #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:28 PM One very good way to help urself is to get a colleague to observe you and each time u or a s talks tick their name on a class plan #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:28 PM @SueAnnan i cant remeber who taught me it but its really good for highlighting contributions #eltchat
aClilToClimb 9:29 PM @mrmohammedsheha I think there are sone vids on youtube. Basically, you show a model of a task, test them a little and off they go! #eltchat
mrmohammedsheha 9:29 PM hogs and non-hogs stand for what? @ELTchat
naomishema 9:29 PM @akhssass thanks for explaining! yes I've used that and found myself saying to an adult - "Is your name so and so? !! #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:29 PM @cioccas  me too Lesley, I think it's a great idea #ELTchat
SueAnnan 9:29 PM @mrmohammedsheha  have a look at Penny Ur's Discussions that work #ELTchat
akhssass 9:30 PM #eltchat instead of asking a direct question we should use multiplechoice questions to maximise participation I mean ABCD cards
SueAnnan 9:30 PM @cioccas  ask them what they are interested in too #ELTchat
cioccas 9:30 PM How can we engage learners to take control of the lessons? Techniques and tips? #ELTchat
shaznosel 9:30 PM @naomishema A common problem in mixed ability classes..sometimes need thinking time..silence for the weaker ss to feel confident.#eltchat
naomishema 9:31 PM @shaznosel so true #eltchat
cioccas 9:31 PM @SueAnnan I often lose control of a lesson to my students - my favourite lessons! #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:31 PM @cioccas slowly and bit by bit, it needs to become part of routine, not just here you go you take charge #eltchat
naomishema 9:32 PM @SueAnnan that must remind u why you chose to be a tehacer! #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:32 PM @shaznosel :-D  #eltchat
aClilToClimb 9:32 PM @shaznosel @naomishema yes, silence is OK! Tchers hv to learn that! Get ss to confer more instead of always correcting them #eltchat
cioccas 9:32 PM @Shaunwilden @SueAnnan That was second part of the #ELTchat topic question, just wanted to make sure we covered it :)
SueAnnan 9:32 PM @cioccas  Yes. I had to teach for an extra hour today and my students didn't want to go home at the end of the lesson:-) #ELTchat
shaznosel 9:32 PM @Marisa_C  1st DELTA observation by Ms.MC was invaluable as my TTT was pointed out from the start..it made me aware #eltchat
naomishema 9:33 PM @SueAnnan nothing like the satisfaction of seeing something you set in motion work! #ELTchat
theteacherjames 9:33 PM Just got home for the second half of #eltchat - what did I miss?
Shaunwilden 9:33 PM @cioccas i know was helping you cover it :-) #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:33 PM @aClilToClimb  #eltchat
aClilToClimb 9:33 PM @SueAnnan Wow! #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:33 PM @naomishema  I only set the session up really #ELTchat
SueAnnan 9:34 PM @aClilToClimb  Got a funeral tomorrow, so students particularly helpful this week #eltchat
shaznosel 9:34 PM @aClilToClimb @naomishema It took me 15 years to realise silence is ok..plus gestures without words..#eltchat
cioccas 9:34 PM @Shaunwilden Thank you! #ELTchat
cioccas 9:34 PM @SueAnnan We spent a large part of a lesson on this yesterday: http://t.co/u2cZTsEv - student heard it at work #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:34 PM @theteacherjames well if we tell you wont engage you :-) #eltchat
shaznosel 9:35 PM @theteacherjames A lot! TTT and how to engage ss..#eltchat
aClilToClimb 9:35 PM @shaznosel haha, never too late as they say :) #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:35 PM @cioccas  LOL #ELTchat
theteacherjames 9:36 PM @shaznosel Thanks, I'll try and get up to speed! #eltchat
naomishema 9:36 PM @shaznosel ah, in my book gestures can be words, LOL!  #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:36 PM @cioccas  :-) #ELTchat
SueAnnan 9:36 PM Shaun ran a particularly good session on TTT #ELTchat
toulasklavou 9:36 PM @shaznosel @Marisa_C I think it has to do with the T's personality, too#eltchat
theteacherjames 9:36 PM @Shaunwilden I shall attempt to engage myself forthwith. #eltchat
cioccas 9:36 PM @SueAnnan Just hope they don't all start using it too much themselves :-) #ELTchat
cioccas 9:37 PM RT @lobroo: @cioccas using something like wallwisher where they can write thoughts/questions as the lesson progresses #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:37 PM RT @toulasklavou: @shaznosel  often quiet Ts do best in this are #ELTchat - big exuberant personalities tend to talk more
toulasklavou 9:37 PM @Marisa_C or you count how many times the T or the S speaks every 5 secs,#eltchat
shaznosel 9:37 PM @cioccas Brainstorming, ask ss for suggestions, relating to personal experinces - s centred helps motivate the ss to talk! #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:37 PM RT @mrmohammedsheha: Usinf the Flipped-clasroom method may  minimize the TT to a great rate! #ELTchat
lobroo 9:37 PM @cioccas using something like wallwisher where they can write thoughts/questions as the lesson progresses #eltchat
mrmohammedsheha 9:37 PM Usinf the Flipped-clasroom method may  minimize the TT to a great rate! #ELTchat
SueAnnan 9:38 PM @toulasklavou  or you be videoed and watch it back for TTT-STT #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:38 PM @toulasklavou @Marisa_C  gosh i think i would lose track of that #eltchat
cioccas 9:39 PM @lobroo Even sticky notes - easier for my low-tech Ss to manage :-) #ELTchat
shaznosel 9:39 PM @Marisa_C @toulasklavou Exactly..you have to leave your personality in the staff room at times..just being aware helps #eltchat
languagebubble 9:40 PM RT @ColinTGraham: Zoltán Dörnyei’s Website http://t.co/HW5ZYZJY for anyone interested in his articles etc. #ukedchat #edchat #ELTchat #E ...
Shaunwilden 9:40 PM @Marisa_C yes thats a lot easier :-) #eltchat
toulasklavou 9:40 PM @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C an observer can do that to get a sample, don;t have to be throughout the lesson#eltchat
Marisa_C 9:40 PM @Shaunwilden you can create a tick list - very common in teacher observations - or draw circles for T and Ss and tick  #eltchat
naomishema 9:40 PM RT @shaznosel: @Marisa_C @toulasklavou Exactly..you have to leave your personality in the staff room at times..just being aware helps #e ...
Shaunwilden 9:41 PM @shaznosel @SueAnnan @toulasklavou agree, i learned so much from recording myself #eltchat
shaznosel 9:41 PM @SueAnnan @toulasklavou Being videoed is invaluable..so we know our mistakes..what do we do now?#eltchat
naomishema 9:42 PM @mrmohammedsheha Is using topics closely related to the SS considered a technique? #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:42 PM @Shaunwilden  #eltchat me too - best cure for TTT is record yourself !
mrmohammedsheha 9:42 PM Questions:Wt r some techniques to engage the Ss more?We mentioned TBL what else? #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:43 PM @naomishema @mrmohammedsheha  technique or not it will engage them #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:43 PM @naomishema  I think negotiating the topics with Sts helps motivate them #ELTchat
SueAnnan 9:44 PM @shaznosel  No, I agree with you #ELTCHAT
naomishema 9:44 PM RT @shaznosel: Does it sound crazy but classroom seating seems to play a big role in engaging and creating STT..#ELTCHAT > absolutely!
mrmohammedsheha 9:44 PM @naomishema YES,but we can't control the content all the time, so..?It may work in choosing speaking topics. #ELTchat
shaznosel 9:44 PM @Shaunwilden @toulasklavou @Marisa_C I d hate to be the one counting! #eltchat
shaznosel 9:44 PM Does it sound crazy but classroom seating seems to play a big role in engaging and creating STT..#ELTCHAT
cioccas 9:44 PM Some of best lessons arise out of a something Ss have heard/read - then relate it to what 'needs' to be covered :-) #ELTchat
toulasklavou 9:45 PM @shaznosel @SueAnnan enough pair/group work, concept Qs where suitable help,Ss talk more& ask whQs 2 get extended answers#eltchat
mrmohammedsheha 9:46 PM Where I work I'm bounded to the objectives that the Ss book offers.So relying on the Ss topics is hard most of the time #ELTCHAT
cioccas 9:46 PM @naomishema I agree and I suffer from sharing classroom with big heavy desks so hard to arrange how we like :( #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:46 PM Lots of classroom activities can generate student talk - e.g. mingles, class surveys, problem solving, dialogue improvisation #ELTchat
SueAnnan 9:46 PM I teach Maureen McGarveys three As too: Ask the Q, Answer the Q, Add a new piece of info...#ELTchat
naomishema 9:46 PM I've specifically asked to teach in a room where the chairs can be moved. had 2 lessons in a hall with fixed furniture - awful! #eltchat
cioccas 9:47 PM @MarjorieRosenbe @Marisa_C Love it! #ELTchat
cioccas 9:47 PM @cunningcanis CLD? #ELTchat
MarjorieRosenbe 9:47 PM @cioccas @Marisa_C I make hogs work as observers &write down good language & I walk around to hear what we need to work on. #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:47 PM But lack of STT may be due to e.g. Ss don't have ideas; they are not adequately briefed; they don't know what to do #ELTchat etc
shaznosel 9:47 PM @SueAnnan I rearrange the desks every time i enter the classroom..my junior ss help me!! I hate ss speaking to the back of heads #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:47 PM @mrmohammedsheha well you could go thru the book to find which topics they like more to start with #eltchat
cioccas 9:47 PM @Marisa_C But if we want Ss to have control, is this what they want I wonder? (just asking) #ELTchat
cunningcanis 9:47 PM #ELTchat I'm in CLD so all ss have their own topics so lots of ss talking sometimes too much:) #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 9:48 PM @Shaunwilden @naomishema Have done his as well. Can be fun to do. #eltchat
toulasklavou 9:48 PM @shaznosel @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C an observer wanted 2focus on TT,counted 4 a few secs, got reliable samples#eltchat
shaznosel 9:48 PM @Marisa_C I think it comes down to us to arrange such activities..prob solving/describe/compare/pros/cons etc #eltchat
Marisa_C 9:48 PM @MarjorieRosenbe nice idea  #eltchat
naomishema 9:48 PM @mrmohammedsheha when I have 2 use book I try to take topic  or reading passage from different angle than intended #ELTCHAT
cioccas 9:48 PM RT @Marisa_C: But lack of STT may be due to e.g. Ss don't have ideas; they are not adequately briefed;...don't know what to do #ELTchat etc
aClilToClimb 9:48 PM @mrmohammedsheha always a prob whn u hv to follow CBs but hv to find a way of covering objectives in diff ways. Need prep time! #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:48 PM @MarjorieRosenbe  hogs? #eltchat
singernick 9:49 PM RT @naomishema: RT @shaznosel: Does it sound crazy but classroom seating seems to play a big role in engaging and creating STT..#ELTCHAT ...
MarjorieRosenbe 9:49 PM RT @cioccas: @SueAnnan I often lose control of a lesson to my students - my favourite lessons! #ELTchat
cioccas 9:49 PM @shaznosel @SueAnnan I've asked for new small, easy to move desks - fingers crossed :) #ELTchat
naomishema 9:49 PM @Marisa_C great idea! #ELTchat
Marisa_C 9:49 PM Possibly another is to appoint group manager - one who makes sure ALL participate #ELTchat (loudest student is best)
SueAnnan 9:50 PM RT @SueAnnan: Chain conversations mean everyone gets a chance to communicate too #ELTchat
toulasklavou 9:50 PM @Marisa_C v.nice idea!i like the part with the loudest St #eltchat
cioccas 9:50 PM @naomishema Thanks! #ELTchat
naomishema 9:50 PM RT @akhssass: #eltchat why dont u give SS a text without comprehension questions and let let them sk their own questions about the text
naomishema 9:50 PM @cioccas adding my fingers! #ELTchat
akhssass 9:50 PM #eltchat why dont u give SS a text without comprehension questions and let let them sk their own questions about the text
shaznosel 9:50 PM @Marisa_C That's where my prompt cards come in..or props or mime or Ted talks or..anything to prompt! #eltchat
aClilToClimb 9:51 PM @SueAnnan make take too long though, no? How to ensure those not participating don't switch off? #eltchat
Teachersilvert 9:51 PM Hi everyone I do tend to think that esl teaching is too teacher oriented. Working with mp3s as much as possible.let Ss speak ;) #Eltchat
cunningcanis 9:51 PM @cioccas sorry Community Learning and Development #eltchat adult learning centre usually run by local council
Marisa_C 9:51 PM @toulasklavou yes - and even count the times other Ss talked - make notes to report etc #eltchat
toulasklavou 9:51 PM @shaznosel @Marisa_C Ted talks really work, v. engaging and the ideas/prompts are just there#eltchat
shaznosel 9:51 PM @toulasklavou @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C Good point- real evidence! #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:51 PM @MarjorieRosenbe  yep #eltchat
naomishema 9:51 PM @SueAnnan you'll have 2 elaborate on that - how would a chain convo work? #ELTchat
MarjorieRosenbe 9:51 PM @SueAnnan @cioccas These are best lessons. When they say at end: Is it over already? #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:52 PM @aClilToClimb  no, all are aprticipating at same time #eltchat
shaznosel 9:52 PM @SueAnnan Great! Even the little ones can join in..I went to market and bought..#eltchat
SueAnnan 9:52 PM @naomishema students talk in a line of pairs facing each other, then the student on the end moves 2 the other end & all shuffle up #ELTchat
cioccas 9:52 PM @lobroo Good ideas for using sticky notes here: http://t.co/1AaqFEYA #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:52 PM @singernick the what? #eltchat
singernick 9:52 PM @Marisa_C hi everyone. I've done the marshmallow challenge a couple of time in class great activity #eltchat
shaznosel 9:53 PM @aClilToClimb @SueAnnan They don't switch off because they're anticipating their part..hopefully! #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:53 PM @aClilToClimb ? #eltchat
Teachersilvert 9:53 PM @SueAnnan like fb dating activity works great #Eltchat
cioccas 9:53 PM @lobroo And I'd love to paint all my walls with IdeaPaint: http://t.co/A3EgAfoi #ELTchat
SueAnnan 9:53 PM @naomishema  something along those lines :-) #ELTchat
aClilToClimb 9:53 PM @SueAnnan well, that's just pw :) #eltchat
naomishema 9:53 PM @SueAnnan oh like the speed dating events i've seen in movies? LOL! #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 9:54 PM @singernick brillant, ta :-) #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:54 PM @aClilToClimb  exactly #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:54 PM RT @cioccas: @lobroo And I'd love to paint all my walls with IdeaPaint: http://t.co/A3EgAfoi #ELTchat
aClilToClimb 9:54 PM pw - everyone speaks. Move 1 down, and they all hv new partners. Same. #eltchat
cioccas 9:54 PM @cunningcanis Thanks, CLD sounds a little similar to my environment #ELTchat
singernick 9:54 PM @Shaunwilden marshmallow challenge: http://t.co/WR07QS7Y #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:54 PM @shaznosel  no they all have a part already #eltchat
mrmohammedsheha 9:54 PM @aClilToClimb That's the point.My 1st time2 train trainees be4 getting their job.I find it hard 2 do this interestingly #ELTChat
cioccas 9:55 PM @Teachersilvert Glad you made it to #ELTchat - only 5 minutes to go :(
SueAnnan 9:55 PM Even running dictation grammar works #ELTchat
shaznosel 9:55 PM @SueAnnan With you! Kinda role play?#eltchat
akhssass 9:55 PM #ELTchat Ask all students to vote on a question you put to the class with two or more possible answers.
Shaunwilden 9:55 PM 5 mins left last words of wisdom time #eltchat
Teachersilvert 9:56 PM @cioccas sorry about that had to play cards till the world ended  #Eltchat
aClilToClimb 9:56 PM @SueAnnan I'd understood chain convo as Chinese whispers. In large classes, even if u hv 2 going at the same time, the mid 1s wait #eltchat
singernick 9:56 PM @Shaunwilden pleasure :) film it as well then show them how they work together #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:56 PM @shaznosel  yes. Could be alibi game for murder  etc #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:56 PM RT @singernick: @Shaunwilden marshmallow challenge: http://t.co/WR07QS7Y #eltchat
cunningcanis 9:56 PM @cioccas ah! Feel as if its there is more freedom #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:56 PM And of course we'll be needing a summary writer #eltchat
naomishema 9:57 PM @MarjorieRosenbe that was my problem! #eltchat
SueAnnan 9:57 PM @MarjorieRosenbe  got it now #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:57 PM @shaznosel that's a fine point #eltchat
cioccas 9:57 PM @Teachersilvert :) Didn't want you to miss your topic #ELTchat
MarjorieRosenbe 9:57 PM @SueAnnan Someone else mentioned the hogs, the srs who always talk &dont give others a chance. #eltchat
theteacherjames 9:57 PM RT @Shaunwilden: And of course we'll be needing a summary writer #eltchat
shaznosel 9:57 PM @Shaunwilden Sometimes it just helps if the T moves away from the front of the class..simple!#eltchat
cioccas 9:57 PM @cunningcanis Yes, but we still have curriculum and learning outcomes to achieve :-) #ELTchat
cunningcanis 9:58 PM @cioccas took a while to reply as app was running slow and reordering in a strange way #eltchat
Shaunwilden 9:58 PM @SueAnnan i dont think so #eltchat
Teachersilvert 9:58 PM @cioccas thank you I m thankful you picked it by the way learnt a lot :) by reading the tweet feeds #Eltchat
SueAnnan 9:58 PM @Shaunwilden  did you get one at lunchtime? #eltchat
shaznosel 9:58 PM @SueAnnan This worked esp well with some Chinese ss I had who were reluctant to join in...#eltchat
cioccas 9:59 PM RT @shaznosel: @Shaunwilden Sometimes the simplest ways are the most effective! #eltchat <That could be a tag line for this #ELTchat !
shaznosel 9:59 PM @Shaunwilden Sometimes the simplest ways are the most effective! #eltchat
toulasklavou 9:59 PM Goodnight everyone, nice talking to you!#eltchat
shaznosel 10:00 PM @toulasklavou To you too! #eltchat night all!
Teachersilvert 10:00 PM Bye and thank you #Eltchat
aClilToClimb 10:00 PM RT @shaznosel: @Shaunwilden Sometimes? I thought all the time! ;) #eltchat
SueAnnan 10:00 PM @Shaunwilden  didn't really catch the lunchtime one, could do this if push comes to shove #eltchat
Shaunwilden 10:00 PM Thank you all for joining us and sharing your thoughts and ideas - see you all next week #eltchat
theteacherjames 10:00 PM @Shaunwilden @SueAnnan No, we didn't get one. #eltchat
cunningcanis 10:01 PM @cioccas true. We have individual learning programmes which can in itself cause problems. Multiple levels too. #eltchat
cioccas 10:01 PM Thanks all for a terrific #ELTchat - I missed a lot in the stream so looking forward to transcript & summary
SueAnnan 10:01 PM NIce as always to catch up. Great moderators too :-) #ELTchat
mrmohammedsheha 10:01 PM #ELTCHAT TT is a way to help Ss learn better.Find ur own way to utilize it right :) Goodnight!! 1 am here :)
aClilToClimb 10:02 PM Goodnight all. Thanks for sharing the thought & good vibes :) #eltchat
CliveSir 10:02 PM Please follow @Ninveli - an #ELT teacher, Twitter newbie, now studying at Warwick Uni #eltchat #elt #esl

 

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