| username |
time |
status |
| Marisa_C |
8:59 PM |
2 mins to #eltchat If teachers talked less wouldn’t the sts speak Eng more? - Anyone here to talk about it? |
| Marisa_C |
8:59 PM |
@Shaunwilden #eltchat hmmmm? |
| Marisa_C |
8:59 PM |
@naomishema #eltchat Hi Naomi long time no see :-) |
| Shaunwilden |
8:59 PM |
@Marisa_C hmm i am but not sure, if i talk less will more people talk? #eltchat |
| naomishema |
8:59 PM |
@Marisa_C I am! Good evening! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:00 PM |
@naomishema but hopefully WE haven't turned into aliens since :-D #eltchat |
| ELT_Osama_Ali |
9:00 PM |
That's true. Teachers should be only facilitators. Give instructions, set goals, Guide Ss through activity. then follow up |
| cioccas |
9:00 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C hmm i am but not sure, if i talk less will more people talk? #eltchat |
| naomishema |
9:00 PM |
@Marisa_C missed you all! either I couldn't attend or it was a subject too alien to participate... #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:01 PM |
So why the question? Is reducing teacher talk a problem any of you face? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:01 PM |
@ELT_Osama_Ali Hello and welcome - remember the hashtag #ELTchat |
| mrmohammedsheha |
9:01 PM |
We'll always talk less as we just tweet :) #eltchat |
| esolcourses |
9:02 PM |
RT @englishteach8: RT @ShellTerrell: Lesson Plan: A Visual Bucket List http://t.co/zlNByrxY #eltchat #esl #ellchat #besig #tefl #elt #iatefl |
| cioccas |
9:02 PM |
@Marisa_C I have problems with pregnant pauses and have to resist filling them myself #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:02 PM |
#eltchat If teachers talked less wouldn’t the sts speak Eng more or ways to engage learners to take control of the lessons.. |
| naomishema |
9:02 PM |
@cioccas Hi! Question is if our American friends have power at the moment! #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:02 PM |
evening peeps from #eltchat |
| naomishema |
9:02 PM |
@Marisa_C I"ll check it out this evening! LOl! #eltchat |
| cioccas |
9:02 PM |
Should be lots of #ELTchat activity from the USA today if the geographic breakdown on the poll is correct :) |
| SueAnnan |
9:03 PM |
@Shaunwilden I wind my students up and let them go at the moment :-) #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:03 PM |
@cioccas lol i ve seen that so many times - silence is not dangerous! #ELTchat |
| cioccas |
9:03 PM |
@Marisa_C @SueAnnan @esolcourses Cheers Marisa and all #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:03 PM |
So whats wrong with some good teacher talk :) #eltchat |
| cioccas |
9:03 PM |
@naomishema Maybe they feel they need a voice :) #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:03 PM |
@SueAnnan #ELTchat Welcome @cioccas @esolcourses #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:04 PM |
@Marisa_C well lecturing them might be bad, being an equal participant good for example #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:04 PM |
@ManosSY #ELTchat Yo Mano! |
| SueAnnan |
9:04 PM |
@cioccas can't get a word in myself. It's great :-) #eltchat |
| cioccas |
9:04 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: @Shaunwilden I wind my students up and let them go at the moment :-) #eltchat <Yep, that'll do it! |
| Marisa_C |
9:04 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: So whats wrong with some good teacher talk :) #eltchat > so there's good TT and bad TT? What's the diff pls? |
| mrmohammedsheha |
9:05 PM |
Teachers TALK to motivate,guide,instruct, but never to fill in the class time.U talk as much as it's needed to fulfill ur objective #ELTchat |
| cioccas |
9:05 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C well lecturing them might be bad, being an equal participant good for example #eltchat < Agree |
| Marisa_C |
9:05 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @Marisa_C well lecturing them might be bad, being an equal participant good for example #eltchat |
| esolcourses |
9:05 PM |
@cioccas @Marisa_C @SueAnnan thanks for that welcome nudge... had my head down working, and would have missed #eltchat otherwise! :-) |
| cioccas |
9:05 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: @cioccas can't get a word in myself. It's great :-) #eltchat < I love those moments, but soemtimes hard to wind them up :-) |
| Marisa_C |
9:05 PM |
So the equation seems to go - the less we talk the more Ss talk? #eltchat |
| cioccas |
9:06 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: It doesn't always figure that sts talk when Ts don't, though #ELTchat < True! |
| Marisa_C |
9:06 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: It doesn't always figure that sts talk when Ts don't, though #ELTchat > good point Sue - ss shd have a reason to % motivation |
| Shaunwilden |
9:06 PM |
@SueAnnan quite - good point :-) #eltchat |
| ELT_Osama_Ali |
9:06 PM |
@Marisa_C only of Ss are directed well to the goal of the lesson or exercise #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:06 PM |
Lecturing, explicating, expounding tho seem to be part and parcel of so many education cultures - often v difficult to get rid of #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:06 PM |
It doesn't always figure that sts talk when Ts don't, though #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:07 PM |
@Marisa_C some classes just have little to say for themselves #ELTchat |
| cunningcanis |
9:07 PM |
RT @leoselivan: RT @SophiaMav: To read better, improve your pronunciation? http://t.co/6mqgC0cS via @teflerinha #elt #efl #esl #eltchat |
| esolcourses |
9:07 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: So the equation seems to go - the less we talk the more Ss talk? #eltchat ] in theory; perhaps. Tho depends on context/level |
| esolcourses |
9:08 PM |
@SueAnnan @cioccas @Marisa_C with beginners a fair bit of TTT can be required to get the ball rolling/keep it going, IME #eltchat |
| naomishema |
9:08 PM |
If SS talk a lot, with mistakes, does the T assume the role of "the corrector" instead of "modeling"? sounds problematic if 2 much #eltchat |
| mrmohammedsheha |
9:08 PM |
@Marisa_C I suffer 4m this myself. Relying on the teacher's talk and the book is planted in some Ss cultures. #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:09 PM |
@esolcourses I agree, as they don't have the vocabulary to continue for too long #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:09 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: @Marisa_C some classes just have little to say for themselves #ELTchat > perhaps need more guided prompts? |
| SueAnnan |
9:09 PM |
@naomishema I think there is a time for correction, but not if students are in full flow #eltchat |
| cioccas |
9:09 PM |
@Teachersilvert - your topic is being discussed on #ELTchat right now - please join in if you can. |
| Marisa_C |
9:09 PM |
This topic is very much linked to the lunchtime #ELTchat - performance teaching & TT seem to go together - smtms great - othertimes not |
| cioccas |
9:10 PM |
Second part of topic is: "...ways to engage learners to take control of the lessons, techniques and tips" #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:10 PM |
@naomishema @SueAnnan does that imply that sts have to be corrected? #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:10 PM |
@Marisa_C my colleagues prompt, and sometimes get nowhere. Sts unmotivated to talk #ELTchat |
| ELT_Osama_Ali |
9:10 PM |
Can anyone suggest some ways?! |
| esolcourses |
9:10 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: @Marisa_C some classes just have little to say for themselves #ELTchat ] agree. Though also think we ought to address that |
| mrmohammedsheha |
9:10 PM |
RT @SueAnnan @cioccas @Marisa_C with beginners a fair bit of TTT can be required to get the ball rolling/keep it going, IME #eltchat (Agree |
| naomishema |
9:10 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: @esolcourses I agree, as they don't have the vocabulary to continue for too long #eltchat |
| akhssass |
9:11 PM |
@ELTchat did the chat satrt? |
| Shaunwilden |
9:11 PM |
@SueAnnan agreed, I just dont like the idea that we might feel compelled to correct #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:11 PM |
RT @aClilToClimb: @naomishema surely there's time for fluency n time for accuracy? > do both require same amount of TT? |
| SueAnnan |
9:11 PM |
@Shaunwilden not always but they can be helped sometimes to be more accurate #eltchat |
| aClilToClimb |
9:11 PM |
@naomishema surely there's time for fluency n time for accuracy? |
| Shaunwilden |
9:12 PM |
@SueAnnan see if the teacher doesnt correct then the sts does ;-) #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
9:12 PM |
Evening event ended early. what's the topic? #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:12 PM |
@Shaunwilden compelled even #eltchat |
| aClilToClimb |
9:12 PM |
@Marisa_C no #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:12 PM |
@Shaunwilden i never feel compleed, but I think it has its uses #eltchat |
| naomishema |
9:12 PM |
@Shaunwilden don't believe in ss being constantly corrected but need 2 be exposed to correct lang as well? #eltchat |
| shaznosel |
9:13 PM |
@esolcourses @Marisa_C Evening!TTT is a hugechallenge for me..have to bear in mind talk with ss and not at..promote pairwork etc #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:13 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe hi, #eltchat If teachers talked less wouldn’t the sts speak Eng more or ways to engage learners to take control |
| Marisa_C |
9:13 PM |
@aClilToClimb but often see Ts having a hard time stopping talking and giving the floor to their Ss #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:13 PM |
@Shaunwilden I am usually the last resort #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:14 PM |
@shaznosel Question we need to ask ourselves is why can't we stop talking IF we feel we should have talked less #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:14 PM |
@Shaunwilden sticking tongue out ! #eltchat |
| mrmohammedsheha |
9:14 PM |
Sometimes the TT is the main source to make SS practice their listening if they can't do this outside the class #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:14 PM |
@SueAnnan Sorry i was playing on the fact you self-corrected your typo #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:14 PM |
@shaznosel pair work is certainly a good idea to get sts talking #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:15 PM |
@mrmohammedsheha #ELTchat Listening to T for a purpose to practise listening is good use of TT |
| Shaunwilden |
9:15 PM |
RT @mrmohammedsheha: Sometimes the TT is the main source to make SS practice their listening if they can't do this outside the class #EL ... |
| SueAnnan |
9:15 PM |
@Shaunwilden #eltchat |
| naomishema |
9:16 PM |
RT @akhssass: #eltchat one way to do it is to share the learning intentions with students |
| Shaunwilden |
9:16 PM |
RT @toulasklavou: Hello!pairwork &groupwork definitely ways to minimise TT#eltchat |
| akhssass |
9:16 PM |
#eltchat one way to do it is to share the learning intentions with students |
| shaznosel |
9:16 PM |
@Marisa_C @aClilToClimb 2 TRUE! SS need to be autonomous and take control of own learning T should prompt and take step back #eltchat |
| toulasklavou |
9:16 PM |
Hello!pairwork &groupwork definitely ways to minimise TT#eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:16 PM |
@vickyloras ELTchat |
| naomishema |
9:16 PM |
Isn't the need to talk related to our desire to give the ss as much as possible in a short time, when less is often more? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:16 PM |
RT @aClilToClimb: @Marisa_C Surely if there's an activity that ss hv to do amng themselves, tchr only has to shut up & monitor? #eltchat Yes |
| mrmohammedsheha |
9:16 PM |
@Marisa_C @shaznosel becoz we're humans&sometimes we forget that we're there 2 teach! and go on following our human instinct #ELTchat |
| aClilToClimb |
9:16 PM |
@Marisa_C Surely if there's an activity that ss hv to do amng themselves, tchr only has to shut up & monitor? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:17 PM |
RT @akhssass: #eltchat one way to do it is to share the learning intentions with students > this might increase STT but may not stop TTT |
| SueAnnan |
9:17 PM |
@aClilToClimb Hi Chiew. I think that T as model is only okay in a limited way #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
9:17 PM |
@Marisa_C Hi Maria, evening event ended early so I am here. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:17 PM |
RT @toulasklavou: Hello!pairwork &groupwork definitely ways to minimise TT#eltchat > so more s-centred activs |
| aClilToClimb |
9:17 PM |
@mrmohammedsheha well, that depends on the activity, no? If your aim is for listening skills, then fine #eltchat |
| shaznosel |
9:18 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @mrmohammedsheha #ELTchat Listening to T for a purpose to practise listening is good use of TT |
| aClilToClimb |
9:18 PM |
@SueAnnan totally agree. Ss have to be exposed to variety. That's the way the world is #eltchat |
| shaznosel |
9:18 PM |
@mrmohammedsheha Good point but again we have to talk with and not at ss..difficult one..#eltchat |
| mrmohammedsheha |
9:18 PM |
@naomishema That's the point,but somtimes by talking more we JUST practice our own English not theirs. #ELTchat . |
| cioccas |
9:18 PM |
RT @akhssass: #eltchat one way to do it is to share the learning intentions with students < Yes, they might be encouraged to take control |
| esolcourses |
9:19 PM |
@shaznosel @Marisa_C Hi Sharon! Biggest challenge for me where TTT is concerned is teaching small classes with mostly quiet s's #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:19 PM |
Often Ts don't think of rehearsing instructions or explanations; not all Ts good on their feet , esp new Ts #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:19 PM |
I ask for sts opinions and let them get on with it #ELTchat |
| akhssass |
9:19 PM |
#eltchat Students need to know where they are going where they are in their learning and how best to get there. |
| shaznosel |
9:20 PM |
@Marisa_C Good Q! It's a case of being aware of why we are talking and then stop..#eltchat |
| naomishema |
9:20 PM |
What about SS that "hog" the talking time? I had a problem with that last adult course I taught. Two wanted 2 talk no matter what #ELTchat |
| aClilToClimb |
9:20 PM |
I think tt shd be minimised to giving instructions and clarifying complicated points. Shd try to get ss to do as much as poss #eltchat |
| esolcourses |
9:20 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: I ask for sts opinions and let them get on with it #ELTchat ] same here, Sue. Key to it I think is knowing when to step back |
| SueAnnan |
9:21 PM |
@Marisa_C always a good plan :-) #ELTchat |
| naomishema |
9:21 PM |
I'd really like advice on that one - even when I called on SS by name those two would "butt in"! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:21 PM |
RT @aClilToClimb: @Marisa_C hence the importance of pre-planning and anticipation > absolutely |
| Marisa_C |
9:21 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: @naomishema can you pair them together? #ELTchat> Brilliant let them outshout each other |
| cioccas |
9:21 PM |
RT @shaznosel: ... TRUE! SS need to be autonomous and take control of own learning T should prompt and take step back #eltchat |
| esolcourses |
9:21 PM |
RT @aClilToClimb: I think tt shd be minimised to giving instructions and clarifying complicated points. Shd try to get ss to do as much ... |
| aClilToClimb |
9:21 PM |
@Marisa_C hence the importance of pre-planning and anticipation |
| Marisa_C |
9:21 PM |
@naomishema #ELTchat an interesting turn to our chat - stopping the unstoppable sts |
| SueAnnan |
9:21 PM |
@naomishema can you pair them together? #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:21 PM |
@aClilToClimb ok fair enough but why remove them from an authenticate source of language? #eltchat |
| naomishema |
9:22 PM |
@aClilToClimb maybe that's it. group discussion with 37 ss, not good idea,,, #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:22 PM |
@naomishema #ELTchat #ELTchat It works! I've used it too :-D |
| Alymosaad |
9:22 PM |
@akhssass yes brief and clear instructions put the Ss in the action maximizing their talk time and perform well in cl.#eltchat |
| cioccas |
9:22 PM |
@naomishema: What about SS that "hog" the talking time? #ELTchat <Yes, I sometimes have same problem - pair them up together? |
| naomishema |
9:22 PM |
@SueAnnan @Marisa_C interesting idea!#ELTchat #ELTchat |
| shaznosel |
9:22 PM |
@esolcourses @Marisa_C Yes! I make sure I have prompts at hand - to prompt me to shut up and prompt ss to respond! #eltchat |
| aClilToClimb |
9:22 PM |
@naomishema I'm an advocate of pw and grp work. Open class discussion works in small & equal class #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:23 PM |
@naomishema thats a large no of students. I'd do TBL stuff to get them working in groups #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:23 PM |
@naomishema #eltchat do u mean open class discussion? > why not groups then leaders report ? |
| MyTownTutorsMA |
9:23 PM |
RT @cybraryman1: Wed Chats 1 #ELTchat (2) #ntchat #ptchat #2ndchat #yalitchat #ctchat #3rdchat #spnchat #txed #symchat #1to1techat htt ... |
| aClilToClimb |
9:24 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: @naomishema thats a large no of students. Id do TBL stuff to get them working in groups> Tht's 1 way! #eltchat |
| shaznosel |
9:24 PM |
@toulasklavou Hi babe! Yes! P/W and grps are motivating and challenging so motivating- task based learning great for this#eltchat |
| mrmohammedsheha |
9:24 PM |
Question:How to balance betwn our desire 2 talk 2 hlp them as mch as we can&the fact that we shd make thm talk more #ELTchat |
| cioccas |
9:24 PM |
@Marisa_C @naomishema Need to be careful that 'leader' isn't doing too much 'leading' in group chat though! #ELTchat |
| naomishema |
9:24 PM |
@Marisa_C I'm about 2 start another course, will try! #eltchat |
| aClilToClimb |
9:24 PM |
@naomishema not only not gd idea but impossible act ;) #eltchat |
| shaznosel |
9:25 PM |
A variety of methods helps TTT and ownership..TBL..etc..#eltchat |
| 7Mrsjames |
9:25 PM |
You can never cross the ocean unless you have the courage to lose sight of the shore. |
| naomishema |
9:25 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: @naomishema thats a large no of students. I'd do TBL stuff to get them working in groups #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:25 PM |
RT @akhssass: #eltchat you can use also No Hands up technique > ???? |
| aClilToClimb |
9:25 PM |
@mrmohammedsheha Whose desire? Yours? Not mine #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:25 PM |
@cioccas perhaps should have said at end of group activity t or ss appoint a spokesperson #ELTchat |
| akhssass |
9:25 PM |
#eltchat you can use also No Hands up technique |
| aClilToClimb |
9:26 PM |
RT @shaznosel: A variety of methods helps TTT and ownership..TBL..etc..#eltchat Agreed! #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:26 PM |
@7Mrsjames is this relevant to our chat? pls don't use our hashtag while we re having an #ELTchat |
| cioccas |
9:26 PM |
@Marisa_C Yes. But sometimes still have problem in groups with someone trying to lead or dominate. Turns others off too #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:26 PM |
@naomishema use a ball of string, with the hogs and non hogs each time sb talks they pass the ball of string, at the end of task...#eltchat |
| naomishema |
9:26 PM |
Whats no hands up technique? #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:27 PM |
@Shaunwilden what a cool idea :-) #eltchat |
| naomishema |
9:27 PM |
@Shaunwilden Do they unravel the ball of string? if not, why string? #eltchat |
| akhssass |
9:27 PM |
#eltchat use enterance and exit tickets in which SS write their remarks |
| shaznosel |
9:27 PM |
@Marisa_C @akhssass Please explain! #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:27 PM |
@naomishema there is a web made of who spoke and most, can use it to highlight and feedback on task...why did some speak more etc#eltchat |
| akhssass |
9:28 PM |
#eltchat no students raises his hand only to ask a question it s the teacher who chooses the student who is going to answer |
| cioccas |
9:28 PM |
@Shaunwilden I like this! Looking for some string straight after #ELTchat |
| mrmohammedsheha |
9:28 PM |
@aClilToClimb @shaznosel I don't have enough idea of using TBL in English class.I'll be grateful for any hints for future use. #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:28 PM |
One very good way to help urself is to get a colleague to observe you and each time u or a s talks tick their name on a class plan #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:28 PM |
@SueAnnan i cant remeber who taught me it but its really good for highlighting contributions #eltchat |
| aClilToClimb |
9:29 PM |
@mrmohammedsheha I think there are sone vids on youtube. Basically, you show a model of a task, test them a little and off they go! #eltchat |
| mrmohammedsheha |
9:29 PM |
hogs and non-hogs stand for what? @ELTchat |
| naomishema |
9:29 PM |
@akhssass thanks for explaining! yes I've used that and found myself saying to an adult - "Is your name so and so? !! #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:29 PM |
@cioccas me too Lesley, I think it's a great idea #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:29 PM |
@mrmohammedsheha have a look at Penny Ur's Discussions that work #ELTchat |
| akhssass |
9:30 PM |
#eltchat instead of asking a direct question we should use multiplechoice questions to maximise participation I mean ABCD cards |
| SueAnnan |
9:30 PM |
@cioccas ask them what they are interested in too #ELTchat |
| cioccas |
9:30 PM |
How can we engage learners to take control of the lessons? Techniques and tips? #ELTchat |
| shaznosel |
9:30 PM |
@naomishema A common problem in mixed ability classes..sometimes need thinking time..silence for the weaker ss to feel confident.#eltchat |
| naomishema |
9:31 PM |
@shaznosel so true #eltchat |
| cioccas |
9:31 PM |
@SueAnnan I often lose control of a lesson to my students - my favourite lessons! #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:31 PM |
@cioccas slowly and bit by bit, it needs to become part of routine, not just here you go you take charge #eltchat |
| naomishema |
9:32 PM |
@SueAnnan that must remind u why you chose to be a tehacer! #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:32 PM |
@shaznosel :-D #eltchat |
| aClilToClimb |
9:32 PM |
@shaznosel @naomishema yes, silence is OK! Tchers hv to learn that! Get ss to confer more instead of always correcting them #eltchat |
| cioccas |
9:32 PM |
@Shaunwilden @SueAnnan That was second part of the #ELTchat topic question, just wanted to make sure we covered it :) |
| SueAnnan |
9:32 PM |
@cioccas Yes. I had to teach for an extra hour today and my students didn't want to go home at the end of the lesson:-) #ELTchat |
| shaznosel |
9:32 PM |
@Marisa_C 1st DELTA observation by Ms.MC was invaluable as my TTT was pointed out from the start..it made me aware #eltchat |
| naomishema |
9:33 PM |
@SueAnnan nothing like the satisfaction of seeing something you set in motion work! #ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:33 PM |
Just got home for the second half of #eltchat - what did I miss? |
| Shaunwilden |
9:33 PM |
@cioccas i know was helping you cover it :-) #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:33 PM |
@aClilToClimb #eltchat |
| aClilToClimb |
9:33 PM |
@SueAnnan Wow! #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:33 PM |
@naomishema I only set the session up really #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:34 PM |
@aClilToClimb Got a funeral tomorrow, so students particularly helpful this week #eltchat |
| shaznosel |
9:34 PM |
@aClilToClimb @naomishema It took me 15 years to realise silence is ok..plus gestures without words..#eltchat |
| cioccas |
9:34 PM |
@Shaunwilden Thank you! #ELTchat |
| cioccas |
9:34 PM |
@SueAnnan We spent a large part of a lesson on this yesterday: http://t.co/u2cZTsEv - student heard it at work #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:34 PM |
@theteacherjames well if we tell you wont engage you :-) #eltchat |
| shaznosel |
9:35 PM |
@theteacherjames A lot! TTT and how to engage ss..#eltchat |
| aClilToClimb |
9:35 PM |
@shaznosel haha, never too late as they say :) #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:35 PM |
@cioccas LOL #ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:36 PM |
@shaznosel Thanks, I'll try and get up to speed! #eltchat |
| naomishema |
9:36 PM |
@shaznosel ah, in my book gestures can be words, LOL! #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:36 PM |
@cioccas :-) #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:36 PM |
Shaun ran a particularly good session on TTT #ELTchat |
| toulasklavou |
9:36 PM |
@shaznosel @Marisa_C I think it has to do with the T's personality, too#eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:36 PM |
@Shaunwilden I shall attempt to engage myself forthwith. #eltchat |
| cioccas |
9:36 PM |
@SueAnnan Just hope they don't all start using it too much themselves :-) #ELTchat |
| cioccas |
9:37 PM |
RT @lobroo: @cioccas using something like wallwisher where they can write thoughts/questions as the lesson progresses #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:37 PM |
RT @toulasklavou: @shaznosel often quiet Ts do best in this are #ELTchat - big exuberant personalities tend to talk more |
| toulasklavou |
9:37 PM |
@Marisa_C or you count how many times the T or the S speaks every 5 secs,#eltchat |
| shaznosel |
9:37 PM |
@cioccas Brainstorming, ask ss for suggestions, relating to personal experinces - s centred helps motivate the ss to talk! #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:37 PM |
RT @mrmohammedsheha: Usinf the Flipped-clasroom method may minimize the TT to a great rate! #ELTchat |
| lobroo |
9:37 PM |
@cioccas using something like wallwisher where they can write thoughts/questions as the lesson progresses #eltchat |
| mrmohammedsheha |
9:37 PM |
Usinf the Flipped-clasroom method may minimize the TT to a great rate! #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:38 PM |
@toulasklavou or you be videoed and watch it back for TTT-STT #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:38 PM |
@toulasklavou @Marisa_C gosh i think i would lose track of that #eltchat |
| cioccas |
9:39 PM |
@lobroo Even sticky notes - easier for my low-tech Ss to manage :-) #ELTchat |
| shaznosel |
9:39 PM |
@Marisa_C @toulasklavou Exactly..you have to leave your personality in the staff room at times..just being aware helps #eltchat |
| languagebubble |
9:40 PM |
RT @ColinTGraham: Zoltán Dörnyei’s Website http://t.co/HW5ZYZJY for anyone interested in his articles etc. #ukedchat #edchat #ELTchat #E ... |
| Shaunwilden |
9:40 PM |
@Marisa_C yes thats a lot easier :-) #eltchat |
| toulasklavou |
9:40 PM |
@Shaunwilden @Marisa_C an observer can do that to get a sample, don;t have to be throughout the lesson#eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:40 PM |
@Shaunwilden you can create a tick list - very common in teacher observations - or draw circles for T and Ss and tick #eltchat |
| naomishema |
9:40 PM |
RT @shaznosel: @Marisa_C @toulasklavou Exactly..you have to leave your personality in the staff room at times..just being aware helps #e ... |
| Shaunwilden |
9:41 PM |
@shaznosel @SueAnnan @toulasklavou agree, i learned so much from recording myself #eltchat |
| shaznosel |
9:41 PM |
@SueAnnan @toulasklavou Being videoed is invaluable..so we know our mistakes..what do we do now?#eltchat |
| naomishema |
9:42 PM |
@mrmohammedsheha Is using topics closely related to the SS considered a technique? #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:42 PM |
@Shaunwilden #eltchat me too - best cure for TTT is record yourself ! |
| mrmohammedsheha |
9:42 PM |
Questions:Wt r some techniques to engage the Ss more?We mentioned TBL what else? #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:43 PM |
@naomishema @mrmohammedsheha technique or not it will engage them #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:43 PM |
@naomishema I think negotiating the topics with Sts helps motivate them #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:44 PM |
@shaznosel No, I agree with you #ELTCHAT |
| naomishema |
9:44 PM |
RT @shaznosel: Does it sound crazy but classroom seating seems to play a big role in engaging and creating STT..#ELTCHAT > absolutely! |
| mrmohammedsheha |
9:44 PM |
@naomishema YES,but we can't control the content all the time, so..?It may work in choosing speaking topics. #ELTchat |
| shaznosel |
9:44 PM |
@Shaunwilden @toulasklavou @Marisa_C I d hate to be the one counting! #eltchat |
| shaznosel |
9:44 PM |
Does it sound crazy but classroom seating seems to play a big role in engaging and creating STT..#ELTCHAT |
| cioccas |
9:44 PM |
Some of best lessons arise out of a something Ss have heard/read - then relate it to what 'needs' to be covered :-) #ELTchat |
| toulasklavou |
9:45 PM |
@shaznosel @SueAnnan enough pair/group work, concept Qs where suitable help,Ss talk more& ask whQs 2 get extended answers#eltchat |
| mrmohammedsheha |
9:46 PM |
Where I work I'm bounded to the objectives that the Ss book offers.So relying on the Ss topics is hard most of the time #ELTCHAT |
| cioccas |
9:46 PM |
@naomishema I agree and I suffer from sharing classroom with big heavy desks so hard to arrange how we like :( #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:46 PM |
Lots of classroom activities can generate student talk - e.g. mingles, class surveys, problem solving, dialogue improvisation #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:46 PM |
I teach Maureen McGarveys three As too: Ask the Q, Answer the Q, Add a new piece of info...#ELTchat |
| naomishema |
9:46 PM |
I've specifically asked to teach in a room where the chairs can be moved. had 2 lessons in a hall with fixed furniture - awful! #eltchat |
| cioccas |
9:47 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe @Marisa_C Love it! #ELTchat |
| cioccas |
9:47 PM |
@cunningcanis CLD? #ELTchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
9:47 PM |
@cioccas @Marisa_C I make hogs work as observers &write down good language & I walk around to hear what we need to work on. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:47 PM |
But lack of STT may be due to e.g. Ss don't have ideas; they are not adequately briefed; they don't know what to do #ELTchat etc |
| shaznosel |
9:47 PM |
@SueAnnan I rearrange the desks every time i enter the classroom..my junior ss help me!! I hate ss speaking to the back of heads #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:47 PM |
@mrmohammedsheha well you could go thru the book to find which topics they like more to start with #eltchat |
| cioccas |
9:47 PM |
@Marisa_C But if we want Ss to have control, is this what they want I wonder? (just asking) #ELTchat |
| cunningcanis |
9:47 PM |
#ELTchat I'm in CLD so all ss have their own topics so lots of ss talking sometimes too much:) #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
9:48 PM |
@Shaunwilden @naomishema Have done his as well. Can be fun to do. #eltchat |
| toulasklavou |
9:48 PM |
@shaznosel @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C an observer wanted 2focus on TT,counted 4 a few secs, got reliable samples#eltchat |
| shaznosel |
9:48 PM |
@Marisa_C I think it comes down to us to arrange such activities..prob solving/describe/compare/pros/cons etc #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:48 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe nice idea #eltchat |
| naomishema |
9:48 PM |
@mrmohammedsheha when I have 2 use book I try to take topic or reading passage from different angle than intended #ELTCHAT |
| cioccas |
9:48 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: But lack of STT may be due to e.g. Ss don't have ideas; they are not adequately briefed;...don't know what to do #ELTchat etc |
| aClilToClimb |
9:48 PM |
@mrmohammedsheha always a prob whn u hv to follow CBs but hv to find a way of covering objectives in diff ways. Need prep time! #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:48 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe hogs? #eltchat |
| singernick |
9:49 PM |
RT @naomishema: RT @shaznosel: Does it sound crazy but classroom seating seems to play a big role in engaging and creating STT..#ELTCHAT ... |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
9:49 PM |
RT @cioccas: @SueAnnan I often lose control of a lesson to my students - my favourite lessons! #ELTchat |
| cioccas |
9:49 PM |
@shaznosel @SueAnnan I've asked for new small, easy to move desks - fingers crossed :) #ELTchat |
| naomishema |
9:49 PM |
@Marisa_C great idea! #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
9:49 PM |
Possibly another is to appoint group manager - one who makes sure ALL participate #ELTchat (loudest student is best) |
| SueAnnan |
9:50 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: Chain conversations mean everyone gets a chance to communicate too #ELTchat |
| toulasklavou |
9:50 PM |
@Marisa_C v.nice idea!i like the part with the loudest St #eltchat |
| cioccas |
9:50 PM |
@naomishema Thanks! #ELTchat |
| naomishema |
9:50 PM |
RT @akhssass: #eltchat why dont u give SS a text without comprehension questions and let let them sk their own questions about the text |
| naomishema |
9:50 PM |
@cioccas adding my fingers! #ELTchat |
| akhssass |
9:50 PM |
#eltchat why dont u give SS a text without comprehension questions and let let them sk their own questions about the text |
| shaznosel |
9:50 PM |
@Marisa_C That's where my prompt cards come in..or props or mime or Ted talks or..anything to prompt! #eltchat |
| aClilToClimb |
9:51 PM |
@SueAnnan make take too long though, no? How to ensure those not participating don't switch off? #eltchat |
| Teachersilvert |
9:51 PM |
Hi everyone I do tend to think that esl teaching is too teacher oriented. Working with mp3s as much as possible.let Ss speak ;) #Eltchat |
| cunningcanis |
9:51 PM |
@cioccas sorry Community Learning and Development #eltchat adult learning centre usually run by local council |
| Marisa_C |
9:51 PM |
@toulasklavou yes - and even count the times other Ss talked - make notes to report etc #eltchat |
| toulasklavou |
9:51 PM |
@shaznosel @Marisa_C Ted talks really work, v. engaging and the ideas/prompts are just there#eltchat |
| shaznosel |
9:51 PM |
@toulasklavou @Shaunwilden @Marisa_C Good point- real evidence! #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:51 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe yep #eltchat |
| naomishema |
9:51 PM |
@SueAnnan you'll have 2 elaborate on that - how would a chain convo work? #ELTchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
9:51 PM |
@SueAnnan @cioccas These are best lessons. When they say at end: Is it over already? #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:52 PM |
@aClilToClimb no, all are aprticipating at same time #eltchat |
| shaznosel |
9:52 PM |
@SueAnnan Great! Even the little ones can join in..I went to market and bought..#eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:52 PM |
@naomishema students talk in a line of pairs facing each other, then the student on the end moves 2 the other end & all shuffle up #ELTchat |
| cioccas |
9:52 PM |
@lobroo Good ideas for using sticky notes here: http://t.co/1AaqFEYA #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:52 PM |
@singernick the what? #eltchat |
| singernick |
9:52 PM |
@Marisa_C hi everyone. I've done the marshmallow challenge a couple of time in class great activity #eltchat |
| shaznosel |
9:53 PM |
@aClilToClimb @SueAnnan They don't switch off because they're anticipating their part..hopefully! #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:53 PM |
@aClilToClimb ? #eltchat |
| Teachersilvert |
9:53 PM |
@SueAnnan like fb dating activity works great #Eltchat |
| cioccas |
9:53 PM |
@lobroo And I'd love to paint all my walls with IdeaPaint: http://t.co/A3EgAfoi #ELTchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:53 PM |
@naomishema something along those lines :-) #ELTchat |
| aClilToClimb |
9:53 PM |
@SueAnnan well, that's just pw :) #eltchat |
| naomishema |
9:53 PM |
@SueAnnan oh like the speed dating events i've seen in movies? LOL! #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:54 PM |
@singernick brillant, ta :-) #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:54 PM |
@aClilToClimb exactly #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:54 PM |
RT @cioccas: @lobroo And I'd love to paint all my walls with IdeaPaint: http://t.co/A3EgAfoi #ELTchat |
| aClilToClimb |
9:54 PM |
pw - everyone speaks. Move 1 down, and they all hv new partners. Same. #eltchat |
| cioccas |
9:54 PM |
@cunningcanis Thanks, CLD sounds a little similar to my environment #ELTchat |
| singernick |
9:54 PM |
@Shaunwilden marshmallow challenge: http://t.co/WR07QS7Y #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:54 PM |
@shaznosel no they all have a part already #eltchat |
| mrmohammedsheha |
9:54 PM |
@aClilToClimb That's the point.My 1st time2 train trainees be4 getting their job.I find it hard 2 do this interestingly #ELTChat |
| cioccas |
9:55 PM |
@Teachersilvert Glad you made it to #ELTchat - only 5 minutes to go :( |
| SueAnnan |
9:55 PM |
Even running dictation grammar works #ELTchat |
| shaznosel |
9:55 PM |
@SueAnnan With you! Kinda role play?#eltchat |
| akhssass |
9:55 PM |
#ELTchat Ask all students to vote on a question you put to the class with two or more possible answers. |
| Shaunwilden |
9:55 PM |
5 mins left last words of wisdom time #eltchat |
| Teachersilvert |
9:56 PM |
@cioccas sorry about that had to play cards till the world ended #Eltchat |
| aClilToClimb |
9:56 PM |
@SueAnnan I'd understood chain convo as Chinese whispers. In large classes, even if u hv 2 going at the same time, the mid 1s wait #eltchat |
| singernick |
9:56 PM |
@Shaunwilden pleasure :) film it as well then show them how they work together #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:56 PM |
@shaznosel yes. Could be alibi game for murder etc #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:56 PM |
RT @singernick: @Shaunwilden marshmallow challenge: http://t.co/WR07QS7Y #eltchat |
| cunningcanis |
9:56 PM |
@cioccas ah! Feel as if its there is more freedom #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:56 PM |
And of course we'll be needing a summary writer #eltchat |
| naomishema |
9:57 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe that was my problem! #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:57 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe got it now #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:57 PM |
@shaznosel that's a fine point #eltchat |
| cioccas |
9:57 PM |
@Teachersilvert :) Didn't want you to miss your topic #ELTchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
9:57 PM |
@SueAnnan Someone else mentioned the hogs, the srs who always talk &dont give others a chance. #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
9:57 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: And of course we'll be needing a summary writer #eltchat |
| shaznosel |
9:57 PM |
@Shaunwilden Sometimes it just helps if the T moves away from the front of the class..simple!#eltchat |
| cioccas |
9:57 PM |
@cunningcanis Yes, but we still have curriculum and learning outcomes to achieve :-) #ELTchat |
| cunningcanis |
9:58 PM |
@cioccas took a while to reply as app was running slow and reordering in a strange way #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
9:58 PM |
@SueAnnan i dont think so #eltchat |
| Teachersilvert |
9:58 PM |
@cioccas thank you I m thankful you picked it by the way learnt a lot :) by reading the tweet feeds #Eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
9:58 PM |
@Shaunwilden did you get one at lunchtime? #eltchat |
| shaznosel |
9:58 PM |
@SueAnnan This worked esp well with some Chinese ss I had who were reluctant to join in...#eltchat |
| cioccas |
9:59 PM |
RT @shaznosel: @Shaunwilden Sometimes the simplest ways are the most effective! #eltchat <That could be a tag line for this #ELTchat ! |
| shaznosel |
9:59 PM |
@Shaunwilden Sometimes the simplest ways are the most effective! #eltchat |
| toulasklavou |
9:59 PM |
Goodnight everyone, nice talking to you!#eltchat |
| shaznosel |
10:00 PM |
@toulasklavou To you too! #eltchat night all! |
| Teachersilvert |
10:00 PM |
Bye and thank you #Eltchat |
| aClilToClimb |
10:00 PM |
RT @shaznosel: @Shaunwilden Sometimes? I thought all the time! ;) #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
10:00 PM |
@Shaunwilden didn't really catch the lunchtime one, could do this if push comes to shove #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
10:00 PM |
Thank you all for joining us and sharing your thoughts and ideas - see you all next week #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
10:00 PM |
@Shaunwilden @SueAnnan No, we didn't get one. #eltchat |
| cunningcanis |
10:01 PM |
@cioccas true. We have individual learning programmes which can in itself cause problems. Multiple levels too. #eltchat |
| cioccas |
10:01 PM |
Thanks all for a terrific #ELTchat - I missed a lot in the stream so looking forward to transcript & summary |
| SueAnnan |
10:01 PM |
NIce as always to catch up. Great moderators too :-) #ELTchat |
| mrmohammedsheha |
10:01 PM |
#ELTCHAT TT is a way to help Ss learn better.Find ur own way to utilize it right :) Goodnight!! 1 am here :) |
| aClilToClimb |
10:02 PM |
Goodnight all. Thanks for sharing the thought & good vibes :) #eltchat |
| CliveSir |
10:02 PM |
Please follow @Ninveli - an #ELT teacher, Twitter newbie, now studying at Warwick Uni #eltchat #elt #esl |
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