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yitzha_sarwono

1:57 PM

BobK99

1:58 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: ...  #eltchat is How can we increase teachers’ knowledge and awareness of digital literacy in English teaching?

HerDailyDigest

2:00 PM

Go Andrea! RT @cioccas: @worldteacher and I will be spreading the word about the amazing community that is #ELTchat at #CamTESOL2013 in Feb

theteacherjames

2:01 PM

Good afternoon, evening or morning everyone. It's time for #eltchat.

Shaunwilden

2:01 PM

Shall we #eltchat?

efl101

2:01 PM

digital literacy? in 140 characters or less? #eltchat

bcnpaul1

2:02 PM

never normally link in #eltchat (when I take part) but this is a good talk on digital literacies http://t.co/VlwYlmq9

BobK99

2:02 PM

RT @efl101: digital literacy? in 140 characters or less? #eltchat > Go on - try. I Magog :)

theteacherjames

2:03 PM

... & recognising your own contribution towards developing the knowledge base both socially and academically. #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:03 PM

@esolcourses Go on then :-) #eltchat.

theteacherjames

2:03 PM

DL is the ability to effectively and critically navigate, evaluate & create information using a range of digital technology... #eltchat

esolcourses

2:03 PM

@Shaunwilden Maybe we should start by defining what digital literacy is, and how digitally literate teachers ought to/oneed to be? #eltchat

teflgeek

2:03 PM

An #eltchat on digital literacy?  Oh the links are going to fly!

Shaunwilden

2:03 PM

RT @bcnpaul1: RT @bcnpaul1: never normally link in #eltchat (when I take part) but this is a good talk on digital literacies http://t.co/VlwYlmq9

esolcourses

2:04 PM

@Shaunwilden LOL! James beat me to it, though I would add knowing how to apply it is another important aspect as well #eltchat

worldteacher

2:04 PM

@bcnpaul1 Beat me to it! That was the link I first thought of when I saw the topic for this #eltchat! :-)

efl101

2:04 PM

@BobK99  being literate digitally? ;-) #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:04 PM

Thank you wikipedia! #eltchat

teflgeek

2:04 PM

@theteacherjames well that rules me out then! #eltchat

bcnpaul1

2:04 PM

RT @esolcourses: Maybe we should start by defining what digital literacy is & how digitally literate teachers ought to/oneed to be? #eltchat

worldteacher

2:05 PM

RT @theteacherjames: Thank you wikipedia! #eltchat > Ha, ha :-)

efl101

2:05 PM

what does it bring to the esl classroom? #eltchat

worldteacher

2:05 PM

RT @teflgeek: @theteacherjames well that rules me out then! #eltchat >Me too!!

theteacherjames

2:05 PM

@teflgeek In which respect? #eltchat

bcnpaul1

2:05 PM

@worldteacher :-) Don't like posting links normally as it can distract the chat. Shd've posted this before #eltchat

teflgeek

2:06 PM

@theteacherjames was being flippant, but my big problem is information overload - not enough time to critically evaluate #eltchat

esolcourses

2:06 PM

@Shaunwilden IMO, digital literacy has as much to do with knowing when *not* to use technology, as knowing how & when to use it #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:07 PM

@esolcourses From a teacher's point of view perhaps #eltchat.

theteacherjames

2:07 PM

So it seems there are quite a few areas that we need to think about: navigation, evaluation, creation, recognition & contribution. #eltchat

teflgeek

2:07 PM

RT @esolcourses IMO, digital literacy has as much to do with knowing when *not* to use technology, as knowing how & when to use it #eltchat

kerrileebarrett

2:07 PM

even in Borneo where there isn't always electricity in schools, most teachers have a tablet .... #eltchat

worldteacher

2:07 PM

@esolcourses Yes - need to teach critiical DL! #eltchat

teflgeek

2:08 PM

@esolcourses agree - there are so many tools we COULD use, it's difficult to know which ones we SHOULD use. #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:09 PM

It's interesting that the question talks about teacher's digital literacy & not the students. Must be an overlap, no? #eltchat

bcnpaul1

2:09 PM

RT @esolcourses IMO, DL has to do with knowing when *not* to use technology, as well as knowing how & when to use it #eltchat > agree

esolcourses

2:09 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: From a teacher's point of view perhaps #eltchat ] well... that is today's brief ;-) #eltchat

efl101

2:09 PM

@theteacherjames  recognition and contribultion? #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:10 PM

@esolcourses a teacher needs to be aware of the issues of sending sts online and telling them to google #eltchat.

kerrileebarrett

2:10 PM

do you think digital literacy will replace the need to write with a pencil at some point? #eltchat

MrChrisJWilson

2:10 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: RT @Shaunwilden: @esolcourses Aha what I meant was it should also be knowing about the implications of using the web with sts etc #eltchat.

theteacherjames

2:10 PM

@teflgeek Oh yes, that's a big problem, probably the biggest challenge of all. #eltchat

esolcourses

2:10 PM

@teflgeek agree - though IMO, understanding pedagogy that underpins teaching with tech is most important aspect #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:10 PM

@esolcourses Aha what I meant was it should also be knowing about the implications of using the web with sts etc #eltchat.

BobK99

2:11 PM

RT @teflgeek: @esolcourses agree ... difficult to know which ones we SHOULD use. #eltchat >Start with Ss and Aims. Use tech if rel to lesson

Shaunwilden

2:11 PM

@kerrileebarrett there is an interesting article on that here  - http://t.co/GSDdp8hd #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:11 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: @esolcourses Aha what I meant was it should also be knowing about the implications of using the web with sts etc #eltchat.

esolcourses

2:11 PM

@teflgeek better to use a limited range of tools effectively I'd say, than try to cast your net too wide #eltchat

MrChrisJWilson

2:11 PM

@kerrileebarrett re-emergence of stylus perhaps suggests not. #eltchat

teflgeek

2:11 PM

@esolcourses have we got to a point where the tech requires a different pedagogy or can we continue to overlay the tech on top? #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:11 PM

@efl101 Making a contribution to the knowledge base and recognising what kind of contribution that is. #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:12 PM

@Shaunwilden @esolcourses Good point. I think these possible implications are perhaps the most important part of this discussion. #eltchat

teflgeek

2:12 PM

RT @BobK99: . #eltchat >Start with Ss and Aims. Use tech if rel to lesson - Agree.

MrChrisJWilson

2:12 PM

@teflgeek @esolcourses I'd say there are some things which are always true but there are other things to consider as well with DL #eltchat

kerrileebarrett

2:12 PM

@MrChrisJWilson good to hear #eltchat

Julian_LEnfant

2:12 PM

@theteacherjames With YLs/teens I suppose most people assume they're more tech savvy. Adults perhaps not so much- but good point. #eltchat

efl101

2:12 PM

@theteacherjames so digital literacy implies co-creation? #eltchat

kevchanwow

2:13 PM

I wonder if we can talk a bit about the medium (using twitter) vs content (grabbing YouTube videos)? #eltchat

efl101

2:13 PM

@esolcourses agreed re-range of tools! lists of top 10 note taking tools  etc. r not helpful! just need to know 1 to begin with :-) #eltchat

esolcourses

2:13 PM

@teflgeek I'd say the core pedagogy is probably much the same, though tech affords a lot more scope for learner autonomy #eltchat

kerrileebarrett

2:13 PM

@Shaunwilden Thanks :) #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:13 PM

@theteacherjames me too thats why I brought them up :-) #eltchat

BobK99

2:14 PM

@Julian_LEnfant  #eltchat Yes. I had class of adult Beginners in Pg who didn't like online stuff one bit.

Shaunwilden

2:14 PM

@kevchanwow What would you like to say about it? #eltchat

esolcourses

2:14 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: @esolcourses a teacher needs to be aware of the issues of sending sts online and telling them to google #eltchat ] agree

Shaunwilden

2:15 PM

@esolcourses It is a good checklist so plug away :-) #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:15 PM

@efl101 Based on the definition I saw, DL is not just using tools but recognising that by doing so you adding to a knowledge base. #eltchat

teflgeek

2:15 PM

Australian Gov view on digital pedagogy: http://t.co/Ax58qzdU #eltchat

esolcourses

2:15 PM

Shameless (but relevant) plug..."teaching with technology: a basic checklist"(simple tips for tech newbies :) http://t.co/XwRTIMMQ #eltchat

teflgeek

2:16 PM

@theteacherjames @efl101 So DL comes from a collaborative perspective / community of practice idea.  #eltchat

worldteacher

2:16 PM

RT @esolcourses: Shameless (but relevant) plug..."teaching with technology: a basic checklist" :) http://t.co/lJo8xqS2 #eltchat >Great link!

theteacherjames

2:16 PM

@Julian_LEnfant True. I meant more in terms of how the T's DL will impact upon the sts & what they produce as a result. #eltchat

David__Boughton

2:16 PM

@Julian_LEnfant I find one of the misconceptions is that teens are digitally literate. Aged 20-40 much better. #eltchat

esolcourses

2:16 PM

@efl101 yep. Sometimes less is a whole lot more.  So many similar tools out there, and not all of them do much to enhance learning #eltchat

MrChrisJWilson

2:16 PM

can teaching DL get in the way of language focus? #eltchat

BobK99

2:17 PM

RT @BobK99: @Julian_LEnfant  #eltchat Yes. I had class ... who didn't like online stuff one bit. PS and very passive - no Web2 stuff

theteacherjames

2:17 PM

@teflgeek @efl101 I'm not sure it has to be collaborative but in essence if we do anything online we are adding to a giant database #eltchat

efl101

2:17 PM

RT @teflgeek: @theteacherjames @efl101 So DL comes from a collaborative perspective / community of practice idea.  #eltchat - nice

teacherphili

2:17 PM

Just joined #ELTchat - sorry for being late - sorting my phone contract out. What are we talking about today?

MrChrisJWilson

2:17 PM

RT @David__Boughton: RT @David__Boughton: @Julian_LEnfant I find one of the misconceptions is that teens are digitally literate. Aged 20-40 much better. #eltchat

kevchanwow

2:17 PM

Start with a question (how does working in large groups change Ss output) and find a tool to help answer it (Wikis). #eltchat

teflgeek

2:19 PM

@theteacherjames @efl101 but the key there is in sharing our experiences, not just taking action.  #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:19 PM

RT @MrChrisJWilson: can teaching DL get in the way of language focus? #eltchat >> Do we need to teach DL or just be aware of it?

esolcourses

2:19 PM

Interesting post by @Marisa_C on language teacher training and using technology http://t.co/naxlyGCL #eltchat

MrChrisJWilson

2:19 PM

interesting though. Much of the amazingness of Online things are collaboration, yet many teacher think 1-2-1's are better #eltchat

worldteacher

2:19 PM

@teacherphili Digital literacy #eltchat

kevchanwow

2:19 PM

@Shaunwilden people are touching on it. new tools take time, can reduce language interaction. Stick with 1 medium for a while.  #eltchat

MrChrisJWilson

2:20 PM

@Shaunwilden true but I'm guessing the idea about online stuff is that many people can collaborate rather than just one other. #eltchat

kevchanwow

2:20 PM

Digital literacy isn't digital fluency. As with any other skill, practice is needed. Let your students use the same tech often. #eltchat

teflgeek

2:20 PM

@MrChrisJWilson IMO - yes.  And frequently does when the tool is more important than the lesson!  But it shouldn't!  #eltchat

esolcourses

2:20 PM

RT @theteacherjames: RT @theteacherjames: RT @MrChrisJWilson: can teaching DL get in the way of language focus? #eltchat >> Do we need to teach DL or j ...

leshhs1

2:20 PM

RT!! BOO!!! "@TheConsultantsE: 50+ Wicked Halloween Ideas, Resources, & Apps http://t.co/VVNV4G5C #edchat #eltchat†

Shaunwilden

2:20 PM

@MrChrisJWilson But then isnt that still some form of collaboration? #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:21 PM

@kevchanwow Agreed, 1thing I really dislike about social networking  is all the look at this amazing tool, and now look at this one #eltchat

worldteacher

2:21 PM

@theteacherjames With my students, we really need to teach it - they don't know how to filter the info or even where to find it! #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:21 PM

@teflgeek @efl101 yes, absolutely. It's the reflection & awareness of the process that means we are digitally literate, I think. #eltchat

teflgeek

2:22 PM

RT @esolcourses:  IMO, DL ought to be embedded into courses.  We need to be equipping learners with 21C skills #eltchat - Absolutely!

worldteacher

2:22 PM

@theteacherjames Absolutely! It forms part of our study skills programme. #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:22 PM

@MrChrisJWilson yes I knew what you meant really :-) But it's possible for the 121 to say start a blog and invite the wider world #eltchat

esolcourses

2:22 PM

@MrChrisJWilson @theteacherjames  IMO, DL ought to be embedded into courses.  We need to be equipping learners with 21C skills #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:22 PM

@worldteacher Good point. It's a means to an end though, isn't it? Not the overall objective? #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:23 PM

@esolcourses @MrChrisJWilson Don't mean to sound flippant but isn't this just the 21st century equivalent of teaching handwriting? #eltchat

teflgeek

2:23 PM

@theteacherjames @efl101  so the key to improving Teacher DL is in knowing where these communities are and inviting Ts into them #eltchat

teacherphili

2:23 PM

@worldteacher @theteacherjames is that the case, good to know ;-) #ELTchat

kevchanwow

2:23 PM

@worldteacher  those skills are very applicable to the non-digital world. Better to critically filter the 6 o'clock news as well. #eltchat

worldteacher

2:23 PM

RT @esolcourses:  IMO, DL ought to be embedded into courses.  We need to be equipping learners with 21C skills #eltchat >Agreed!!

MrChrisJWilson

2:23 PM

@esolcourses @theteacherjames hum I agree and disagree, we don't talk about needing to equip learners for maths/science etc why DL? #eltchat

worldteacher

2:24 PM

@teacherphili It is, but many colleagues at EIU are a bit reluctant - waiting for you to arrive!! ;-) #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:24 PM

@MrChrisJWilson @esolcourses I'm not we shouldn't do it, far from it, but we have to give it the right emphasis. #eltchat

MrChrisJWilson

2:24 PM

@Shaunwilden Very true and strangely enough...I do that! #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:24 PM

@MrChrisJWilson @esolcourses @theteacherjames because if we are inviting them to do sth digital we should teach them how #eltchat

teflgeek

2:25 PM

Also a shameless plug, but link to Nicky Hockley conference presentation on Digital Literacies: http://t.co/GGESHS2E #eltchat

David__Boughton

2:25 PM

@esolcourses is it really the ESL teachers' responsibility? H.school or uni sure, but u don't see it as an adult ESL responsibility.#eltchat

theteacherjames

2:25 PM

@teflgeek That could definitely help, yes. #eltchat

worldteacher

2:25 PM

@kevchanwow Agreed - and they can't do that either!! :-) #eltchat

teacherphili

2:25 PM

@worldteacher can't wait to get started ;-) #ELTchat

BobK99

2:25 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: @kevchanwow ... 'look at this amazing tool, and now look at this one' #eltchat .> Solutions w/o probs => timewasters :)

teacherphili

2:26 PM

@teflgeek and did anyone mention Nicky, Gavin and Mark Pegrum's new book on Digital Literacy - it's not out yet, forthcoming. #ELTchat

MrChrisJWilson

2:26 PM

@Shaunwilden @esolcourses @theteacherjames an actual example. I taught all my classes how to use http://t.co/tE64H2mv last week... #eltchat

bcnpaul1

2:27 PM

not teaching the 'how-to' of DL results in no progress & sts in google searches then copy&pastes and too much to filter #eltchat

MrChrisJWilson

2:27 PM

@Shaunwilden @esolcourses @theteacherjames ...it took 5 mins but now they can all practice speaking out of class.  #eltchat

esolcourses

2:27 PM

@MrChrisJWilson @theteacherjames my view is if we don't teach DL, we are setting s's up to fail. Esp where plagiarism is concerned #eltchat

kevchanwow

2:27 PM

@Shaunwilden yep, How could one semester be enough to cover how/why to use Twitter as language tool? Think criticality req. depth #eltchat

David__Boughton

2:27 PM

@MrChrisJWilson exactly! We should equip with English nothing more. #eltchat

esolcourses

2:28 PM

@David__Boughton depends how you look at it I suppose...  I'm talking about online safety, plagiarism, netiquette, etc, really #eltchat

Julian_LEnfant

2:28 PM

@David__Boughton That sounds right. My 14 year old isn't DL & I often wonder what they're teaching him in school. #eltchat

MrChrisJWilson

2:28 PM

@esolcourses @theteacherjames reminds me of an advance student who copied from wikipedia for a homework #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:28 PM

@MrChrisJWilson @Shaunwilden @esolcourses I think that's the point for me, it's necessary but it's not our objective. #eltchat

esolcourses

2:29 PM

@MrChrisJWilson @theteacherjames I've seen learners get into *real* trouble over plagiarism, which is why I always cover it in W1 #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:29 PM

RT @teacherphili: RT @teacherphili: RT @esolcourses: "I'm talking about online safety, plagiarism, netiquette, etc, really" #eltchat -> all good litera ...

teacherphili

2:29 PM

RT @esolcourses: "I'm talking about online safety, plagiarism, netiquette, etc, really" #eltchat -> all good literacy skills there :)

Shaunwilden

2:29 PM

if we're shamelessly plugging here is a conf talk I do on DL, you might find the links int. further reading http://t.co/JLMcgTSq #eltchat

esolcourses

2:30 PM

RT @theteacherjames @MrChrisJWilson @Shaunwilden  I think that's the point for me, it's necessary but it's not our objective. #eltchat agree

teacherphili

2:30 PM

I would say plagiarism (for the copy & paste generation) is the biggest threat to civilization as we know it ;-)  @esolcourses #ELTchat

teflgeek

2:30 PM

@David__Boughton If students are going to interact with the language in a primarily digital way, how is it not our responsibility? #eltchat

kerrileebarrett

2:30 PM

@MrChrisJWilson @esolcourses @theteacherjames And then presumed you would never find out! Madness #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:30 PM

@esolcourses @MrChrisJWilson Good idea, I had some problems in the past too. Good to tell them before you have to tell them off! #eltchat

esolcourses

2:31 PM

@theteacherjames @MrChrisJWilson @Shaunwilden pedagogy always comes first. No reason why DL can't be worked in as a topic, tho #eltchat

Julian_LEnfant

2:31 PM

@MrChrisJWilson Like WebQuests? #eltchat

David__Boughton

2:31 PM

@esolcourses teaching minimum for tools you use is necessary. I worry about extra tools and extra DL learning taking away from ESL. #eltchat

teflgeek

2:31 PM

@David__Boughton e.g. ask your students when the last time they read a book vs read a website was?  Don't they need DL? #eltchat

MrChrisJWilson

2:31 PM

clil that's the one! #eltchat

kevchanwow

2:31 PM

@esolcourses oh, think this is key. Without clear hands on explanations, the danger of committing plagiarism is too great. #eltchat

MrChrisJWilson

2:31 PM

forgotten the correct term but what about teaching English via teaching something else. Can't we do that with DL #eltchat

David__Boughton

2:32 PM

@esolcourses plagiarism is not a DL issue in my opinion. It has always existed. #eltchat

prese1

2:32 PM

coursebook writers could possibly add "plagerism" to their lists of topics

teacherphili

2:32 PM

Looking forward to integrating digital literacy skills with my new set of Ss, whatever level they might be... @worldteacher #ELTchat

MrChrisJWilson

2:32 PM

@Shaunwilden haha! I had completely forgotten about it until this chat! #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:32 PM

@MrChrisJWilson CLIL now there's  term that I dislike even more than D..... #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:33 PM

@SueAnnan Always late ;-) digital literacy #eltchat

prese1

2:33 PM

oops...plagiarism #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:33 PM

As @Shaunwilden mentioned, DL is more than just being able to use tools, it's understanding that what you write will live forever. #eltchat

BobK99

2:33 PM

RT @teacherphili: RT @esolcourses: "... online safety, plagiarism, netiquette, etc, really" #eltchat -> all good lit skills  :) >Exactly 1/2

SueAnnan

2:33 PM

What's the topic. Sorry I'm late #eltchat

David__Boughton

2:34 PM

@teflgeek my issue was with teaching DL as the goal. Safe use of tools, great. Extra tools and extra DL learning, not. #eltchat

SueAnnan

2:34 PM

@Shaunwilden moderation week. Be nice:-) #eltchat

Bazteach

2:34 PM

RT @esolcourses: RT @esolcourses: Interesting post by @Marisa_C on language teacher training and using technology http://t.co/naxlyGCL #eltchat

teacherphili

2:34 PM

@David__Boughton yes, but easier than ever to plagiarise thx to digital technologies + uncovering plagiarists easier too #ELTchat

esolcourses

2:34 PM

@David__Boughton IME,  setting tutorials on tools for homework beforehand cuts much of that out (i.e. flipped classroom approach) #eltchat

esolcourses

2:35 PM

@David__Boughton true. The difference nowadays tho is that if you plagiarise something nowadays, you share it with the world ;-) #eltchat

MrChrisJWilson

2:35 PM

infringement of copy write surely has to come under this too? Students using any old picture from a Google search #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:36 PM

@esolcourses @David__Boughton sts do it really life it's called remixing, do it in class it's plagiarism #eltchat

prese1

2:36 PM

@teflgeek definitely not. DL and classroom language will be probably be taught in the first few lessons #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:36 PM

@MrChrisJWilson Good point, but I think about 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of web users are aware of this! #eltchat

teflgeek

2:36 PM

@David__Boughton Fair point - incorporation of DL into ELT rather than DL per se. #eltchat

David__Boughton

2:37 PM

@teflgeek sure. My issue is ESL teachers expanding their mandates to things they aren't contracted for. Let's not forget the goal. #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:37 PM

@MrChrisJWilson All the more reason to teach it I suppose! #eltchat

bcnpaul1

2:37 PM

@teflgeek @David__Boughton incorporation of DL in EFL courses? How would that happen? #eltchat

BobK99

2:37 PM

RT @BobK99: 2/2  @teacherphili @esolcourses: Aren't we talking about developing DL, not just using tech? : #eltchat FFS, strike one

MrChrisJWilson

2:37 PM

@theteacherjames V.true! "What you mean that photo cost someone money to make? What do you mean I should pay them?!?!" #eltchat

teflgeek

2:38 PM

@bcnpaul1 good question!  lots of tools out there to help though!  #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:38 PM

Many of the issues we are discussing, such as plagiarism and copyright, are also areas where teachers are digitally illiterate too. #eltchat

David__Boughton

2:38 PM

@teacherphili so that balances it out? Back where we started? No need for extra energy. #eltchat

kevchanwow

2:38 PM

If students interact with texts out of class in a way totally different from in the classroom, how are we serving them as teachers? #eltchat

bcnpaul1

2:39 PM

@teflgeek true enough - wd be good to see these skills incorporated into syllabus #eltchat

esolcourses

2:39 PM

@BobK99 sorry if I missed yr point - I'm trying 2 follow several convs! @teacherphili IMO, developing DL is the most important part #eltchat

Julian_LEnfant

2:39 PM

#eltchat I'm trying to raise awareness of DL & technology here, or at least more up-to-date materials. Moving away from VCRs. (I kid not.)

BobK99

2:40 PM

@esolcourses Fine - spot on! #eltchat

lexicojules

2:40 PM

Sorry, just arrived ... in #EAP DL is vital as Ss will have to do stuff digitally in their content courses #ELTchat

SueAnnan

2:40 PM

@David__Boughton can you explain what you mean by that?#eltchat

David__Boughton

2:41 PM

@esolcourses doesn't that take away from the true problem? I think the end result shouldn't affect importance of true writing. #eltchat

teflgeek

2:41 PM

@David__Boughton Absolutely, but if I ask sts to research a topic on the net, I need them to know how to evaluate their sources #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:41 PM

@kevchanwow Is that a rhetorical question? We serve them by giving them the skills to access texts, no? #eltchat

prese1

2:41 PM

We could recap what they have already learnt at school...in English #eltchat

teacherphili

2:41 PM

@esolcourses @BobK99 I've missed much of the earlier chat so apologise for coming in late on topic. > Agree teaching DL important #ELTchat

esolcourses

2:41 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: @esolcourses @David__Boughton sts do it really life it's called remixing, do it in class it's plagiarism #eltchat :-)

kevchanwow

2:42 PM

@Shaunwilden sorry Shaun. Mostly rhetorical :). #eltchat

teflgeek

2:42 PM

@bcnpaul1 maybe things like the CEF need updating to reflect this #eltchat

yitzha_sarwono

2:42 PM

#eltchat surprisingly,though I teach Kindergarten,parents are aware of how DL could improve my class & the idea of things like voicethread

teacherphili

2:43 PM

There are wide range of lits ranging from †remix lit’, to †personal lit’, †attention lit’, β€network lit’ and β€mobile lit’ #ELTchat

MrChrisJWilson

2:43 PM

mixed feelings. we are English teachers. But most students consume English through the web. we need to equip them for that #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:43 PM

@yitzha_sarwono Thanks! #eltchat

lexicojules

2:43 PM

@teflgeek Exactly. Modern reading skills aren't just skimming & scanning, but evaluating reliability of sources too #ELTchat

yitzha_sarwono

2:43 PM

@theteacherjames that's a good point James! :-) #eltchat

esolcourses

2:43 PM

@David__Boughton could you clarify that last tweet a little bit, please? Not sure I get yr drift #eltchat

David__Boughton

2:43 PM

@Shaunwilden very true. Music, internet memes, etc have impacted plagiarism. #eltchat

bcnpaul1

2:43 PM

RT @teflgeek: @bcnpaul1 maybe things like the CEF need updating to reflect this #eltchat > agree with that. Needs a big rework IMO

Shaunwilden

2:43 PM

@kevchanwow I thought so but covered both options :-) #eltchat

MrChrisJWilson

2:44 PM

What if students are consuming American English out of class ;) #jokes #eltchat

David__Boughton

2:44 PM

@teflgeek as we did with books.  #eltchat

kerrileebarrett

2:44 PM

@teflgeek @bcnpaul1 maybe things like the CEF need updating to reflect this #eltchat

kevchanwow

2:44 PM

@yitzha_sarwono awesome. Can you send a handful of those parents my way to talk to my Ss parents? #eltchat (#seriousrequest)

teflgeek

2:45 PM

@David__Boughton exactly - this is starting to get into critical thinking territory! #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:45 PM

Any ideas how we can improve the DL of teachers who have sts more digitally literate than themselves? #eltchat

prese1

2:45 PM

@MrChrisJWilson lol  #eltchat

teacherphili

2:46 PM

@theteacherjames employ me ;-) #ELTchat

lexicojules

2:46 PM

@theteacherjames Don't be afraid to learn from your Ss - get them to explain to you what they do online #ELTchat

theteacherjames

2:46 PM

@MrChrisJWilson And to truly 'equip' them for that is a not an easy or quick thing. #eltchat

teflgeek

2:46 PM

@theteacherjames isn't the problem that teachers who need DL are the least likely to go looking for it? #eltchat

yitzha_sarwono

2:46 PM

@MrChrisJWilson I second that,& as EYL teacher I work so hard to make sure that they are safe too. #eltchat

MrChrisJWilson

2:46 PM

@theteacherjames students teach the teacher? #eltchat (alternative an expensive course online provided by education experts)

David__Boughton

2:46 PM

@esolcourses just because your posting online doesn't make plagiarism more important. It's always important. #eltchat

Julian_LEnfant

2:46 PM

#ELTchat Howard Gardner talks about ethics and digital youth: http://t.co/HCNAfKpu

prese1

2:46 PM

RT @theteacherjames: RT @theteacherjames: Any ideas how we can improve the DL of teachers who have sts more digitally literate than themselves? #eltchat

teacherphili

2:46 PM

I missed out on Gavin Dudney's free DL SEETA workshops, did anyone else attend? http://t.co/qZHj1t5W #ELTchat

theteacherjames

2:47 PM

@MrChrisJWilson That's the ideal solution, but I wonder if they would be brave enough. #eltchat

kevchanwow

2:47 PM

students attention shifts faster than we can keep up. Just stay curious. Ask students questions. Ask them to talk about their apps. #eltchat

BobK99

2:47 PM

RT @MrChrisJWilson: mixed f'ngs.  We're Eng Ts. But most Ss consume Eng thru the web. we need to equip them for that #eltchat > Yep - Quite.

yitzha_sarwono

2:47 PM

RT @theteacherjames: RT @theteacherjames: Any ideas how we can improve the DL of teachers who have sts more digitally literate than themselves? #eltchat

teflgeek

2:48 PM

@theteacherjames maybe this ties into previous #eltchat on CPD - incorporate DL into teacher training courses.

BrightAire

2:48 PM

@theteacherjames - appoint Digital Leaders among students to promote tech use & DL. Teachers "piggyback" on content for DLs' peers. #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:48 PM

Lots of advise for teachers coming out now any more that we can give in the last 10 mins? #eltchat

yitzha_sarwono

2:48 PM

@kevchanwow I'll see what I can do! Dm me your email please? #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:48 PM

@teflgeek Absolutely, therein lies the dilemma at the heart of the question! #eltchat

David__Boughton

2:48 PM

@MrChrisJWilson I had always hoped their hs or uni education did that. Not my job as adult ESL teacher. #eltchat

MrChrisJWilson

2:49 PM

@David__Boughton my university never taught me that but it was in my L1 (it did deal with plagerism) #eltchat

yitzha_sarwono

2:49 PM

@kevchanwow very much true! #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:49 PM

RT @teflgeek: RT @teflgeek: @theteacherjames maybe this ties into previous #eltchat on CPD - incorporate DL into teacher training courses.

esolcourses

2:49 PM

@David__Boughton agree - what I'm saying is that students need to learn what they can and can't copy from online sources #eltchat

kevchanwow

2:49 PM

My Ss love Line. So I got them to talk about it b/w classes. Now I'm thinking of pedagogical questions Line can help me answer. #eltchat

MrChrisJWilson

2:49 PM

@David__Boughton what about where to access graded language material or about the difference is online register and off line #eltchat

teacherphili

2:49 PM

@kevchanwow @theteacherjames 'texting' literacy is one ex. where Ss might show greater ability than Ts - but genrlly wrong to label #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

2:49 PM

@BrightAire @theteacherjames That's a really good idea :-) #eltchat

David__Boughton

2:49 PM

RT @lexicojules: RT @lexicojules: @theteacherjames Don't be afraid to learn from your Ss - get them to explain to you what they do online #ELTchat

yitzha_sarwono

2:49 PM

@theteacherjames glad I'm teaching kindergarten :-D #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:49 PM

@teacherphili How many places can you be at once? #ELTchat

teacherphili

2:50 PM

@esolcourses @David__Boughton & realising that Wikipedia is great but it can't be trusted to be accurate #ELTchat

teflgeek

2:50 PM

@theteacherjames Try to model tech use during seminars on non-tech subjects etc, so Ts see how it can be used effectively.  #eltchat

yitzha_sarwono

2:50 PM

RT @lexicojules: RT @lexicojules: @theteacherjames Don't be afraid to learn from your Ss - get them to explain to you what they do online #ELTchat

theteacherjames

2:50 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: @BrightAire @theteacherjames That's a really good idea :-) #eltchat >> Agreed!

Shaunwilden

2:50 PM

@teflgeek @theteacherjames @theteacherjames Aha then of course the courses would have to have trainers that understood DL :-) #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:50 PM

@yitzha_sarwono I love dealing with this kind of thing! #eltchat

MrChrisJWilson

2:50 PM

@kevchanwow what's line? #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:50 PM

@teflgeek Great idea. It should definitely be a element. #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:51 PM

@teacherphili @kevchanwow Txt literacy could be very important. It's most used form of communication in the world. #ELTchat

esolcourses

2:51 PM

@teacherphili @David__Boughton and that too, Phil - good point. #eltchat

teacherphili

2:51 PM

@theteacherjames eight places if necessary.. I am a digital octopus #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

2:51 PM

@teflgeek @theteacherjames Agreed on the modelling, using as norm rather than the 'techy' lesson is an imp thing #eltchat

BobK99

2:51 PM

RT @BrightAire: @theteacherjames - ... Digital Ldrs...to promote tech use & DL. Ts "piggyback" on content for DLs' peers. #eltchat . Gd idea

esolcourses

2:51 PM

RT @teacherphili: @esolcourses @David__Boughton & realising that Wikipedia is great but it can't be trusted to be accurate #ELTchat

teacherphili

2:52 PM

@theteacherjames @kevchanwow how many of us have adapted our own txt literacy in the mobile age? affects even non mobile situations #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

2:52 PM

Coming in to last few minutes which means of course we need a summary writer.......#eltchat

kevchanwow

2:52 PM

@MrChrisJWilson line is a mix of chat/phone/blog/tweet in one platform with circles/groups  very popular in Japan. #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:52 PM

@teflgeek A simple matter of role modeling not preaching. #eltchat

David__Boughton

2:53 PM

@MrChrisJWilson hopefully they do now. Absolutely crucial. #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:53 PM

@teflgeek @Shaunwilden Good to have options though! #eltchat

yitzha_sarwono

2:53 PM

@teacherphili @theteacherjames wow! That is so cool! #eltchat

MrChrisJWilson

2:53 PM

@teacherphili @theteacherjames @kevchanwow like the one student who doesn't have a smartphone #truestory #eltchat

theteacherjames

2:53 PM

@teacherphili Just sit in a room connected up to a thousand computers, the digital node of ELT! #ELTchat

David__Boughton

2:53 PM

@esolcourses for sure. I just haven't paid more attention to plg compared to 10 yrs ago. #eltchat

teflgeek

2:53 PM

@Shaunwilden @theteacherjames Was introduced to Moodle on DELTA.  Not used it since, so doesn't always work!  #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:54 PM

@worldteacher Oh super thanks #eltchat

yitzha_sarwono

2:54 PM

@kevchanwow @MrChrisJWilson here the most popular is whatsapp and blackberry messenger. Haven't seen they're used in class though #eltchat

teacherphili

2:54 PM

Hypertext literacy: Ability 2 process hyperlinks appropriately and 2 use hyperlinks effectively to enhance a document or artefact. #ELTchat

worldteacher

2:54 PM

@Shaunwilden Happy to take the summary - haven't done one for a week or two!! #eltchat

esolcourses

2:54 PM

Some good digital literacy resources on the @TheConsultantsE 's site, if you are up for some post chat reading http://t.co/yU7ABKmZ #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:54 PM

A small piece of house keeping, remember BST disappears at the weekend so chats will be  12 /21 GMT / UTC #eltchat

michaelegriffin

2:54 PM

@kevchanwow @MrChrisJWilson Line was new to me just a few days ago! http://t.co/7HXz2Io4 #ELTchat

teacherphili

2:55 PM

yeah! a @Worldteacher summary - I second that. :-) #ELTchat

esolcourses

2:55 PM

... & my guest post on @barbsaka's Teaching Village blog, on copyright, plagiarism & digital literacy http://t.co/God6y5l8 #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:56 PM

@lexicojules And simple is.......?#eltchat

worldteacher

2:56 PM

@teacherphili Thanks for the vote of confidence, Phil! :-) #eltchat Figured you might be too busy this week!

lexicojules

2:56 PM

Think with DL you have to start simple & build so you keep all Ss on board #ELTchat

theteacherjames

2:57 PM

If you're interested in the relationship between society & tech, I heartily recommend this @BBCRadio4 show: http://t.co/dLA3P3By #eltchat

esolcourses

2:57 PM

@David__Boughton accept your point - though the impression I get is that it is becoming more of a problem #eltchat

teacherphili

2:57 PM

@worldteacher actually, I'm ready to flyyyyyy. #ELTchat

BobK99

2:57 PM

RT @teacherphili: yeah! a @Worldteacher summary - I second that. :-) #ELTchat > They're THAT good are they? Can't wait... :)

yitzha_sarwono

2:57 PM

@esolcourses I read yours on @barbsaka TV. Really love it :-) thanks #eltchat

teacherphili

2:57 PM

@worldteacher hmmm i don't know what I'm doing.. probably what you tell me to do ;-) #ELTchat

kevchanwow

2:58 PM

Haven't been to #eltchat in a while. So glad that I came back to this one. Thanks all for an amazing conversation.

theteacherjames

2:58 PM

RT @Shaunwilden: RT @Shaunwilden: A small piece of house keeping, remember BST disappears at the weekend so chats will be  12 /21 GMT / UTC #eltchat

lexicojules

2:58 PM

@shaunwilden I get them all to intro themselves to me by email in 1st week, then look at appropriate email lang in next class #ELTchat

MrChrisJWilson

2:59 PM

@kevchanwow thanks for the comments Kevin, really interesting discussion #eltchat

David__Boughton

2:59 PM

RT @kevchanwow: RT @kevchanwow: Haven't been to #eltchat in a while. So glad that I came back to this one. Thanks all for an amazing conversation.

teacherphili

2:59 PM

had I known it was about digital literacy I would have got here on time :( #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

2:59 PM

@worldteacher Transcript will be delayed as not at home at mo but will get you asap #eltchat

worldteacher

2:59 PM

@BobK99 You mean you've never read any?!! :-) #eltchat

BobK99

2:59 PM

@Shaunwilden  #eltchat Bye all, and thanks  :)

David__Boughton

2:59 PM

@esolcourses I guess so. Hopefully problem will slow down now. #eltchat

Shaunwilden

2:59 PM

@kevchanwow Good to have you hear :-) #eltchat

teacherphili

2:59 PM

@theteacherjames gonna record that other song tonight, James. Can post to you in the morning. ;-) #ELTchat podcast

esolcourses

3:00 PM

RT @Shaunwilden We're talking about  "What pitfalls do you need to be aware of when going to work in another country? "at 21.00 BST #eltchat

Shaunwilden

3:00 PM

RT @lexicojules: RT @lexicojules: For anyone in EAP, we'll be picking up the plagiarism topic in #EAPchat on 5 Nov #ELTchat

lexicojules

3:00 PM

For anyone in EAP, we'll be picking up the plagiarism topic in #EAPchat on 5 Nov #ELTchat

Shaunwilden

3:00 PM

We're talking about  "What pitfalls do you need to be aware of when going to work in another country? "at 21.00 BST #eltchat

esolcourses

3:00 PM

RT @teflgeek: Thanks for a great #eltchat all - see you next time!

yitzha_sarwono

3:00 PM

great #eltchat as ever :-)

worldteacher

3:00 PM

@Shaunwilden OK - won't get on to it till tomorrow, anyway.  #eltchat

prese1

3:00 PM

Thank you for the wealth of information on DL. Thanx for the chat...so many bright minds #eltchat

teflgeek

3:00 PM

Thanks for a great #eltchat all - see you next time!

english247

3:01 PM

Free listening quizzes and games for #English learners and #kids (updated) http://t.co/T50MHZby #esl #esol #efl #twinglish #IELTS #eltchat

David__Boughton

3:01 PM

#eltchat. Interesting as always. There is never enough time. I could #eltchat all day. Have a great day all!

kevchanwow

3:01 PM

@Shaunwilden thanks for the great job moderating. One of the smoothest chats I can remember. #eltchat

theteacherjames

3:01 PM

Thanks for a great #eltchat everyone. See you later.

Shaunwilden

3:01 PM

Thanks all for taking part in #ELTchat see you this evening .

esolcourses

3:01 PM

RT @lexicojules: For anyone in EAP, we'll be picking up the plagiarism topic in #EAPchat on 5 Nov #ELTchat

kerrileebarrett

3:02 PM

Thanks for a good first chat! WIll be back for more but not at 4am my time ;) #eltchat

theteacherjames

3:02 PM

Look out for the upcoming #eltchat podcast, it's going to be a cracker!

worldteacher

3:02 PM

RT @esolcourses: RT @teflgeek: Thanks for a great #eltchat all - see you next time! >Great chat & thanks to @Shaunwilden & @theteacherjames