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How do you deal with cultural issues in the multi-cultural classroom

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This is the transcript of the #eltchat on 17.10.2012 on the topic of How do you deal with cultural issues in the multi-cultural classroom?

 

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Shaunwilden 12:00 PM Gosh it is 12 oclock already so I guess that makes it time for #eltchat
BobK99 12:00 PM RT @Shaunwilden: Your 12 BST #eltchat is How do you deal with cultural issues in the multi-cultural classroom? ...> I'm agog :)
teacherphili 12:01 PM Time for an #ELTchat! on cultural issues
teflgeek 12:02 PM Morning all - time for another highly cultured #eltchat?
Shaunwilden 12:02 PM @teacherphili Hi Phil, arrived in Oxford yet? #ELTchat!
SueAnnan 12:02 PM Hello. Unusually I have time to join you all for this one. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:02 PM @BobK99 agog is good or bad? #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 12:02 PM Hello everyone. looking forward to today's discussion as I've missed being on ELTchat #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:03 PM @Shaunwilden I face this in university setting - try to discuss different cultural traditions.Never sure if it offends anyone. #eltchat
english247 12:03 PM Online writing activities for adult #English learners and #kids http://t.co/K7hDF5Qn  #esol #efl #esl #esl #elt #twinglish #eltchat #engpls
Shaunwilden 12:04 PM Me, @theteacherjames and @BrunoELT (I think) are present to help anyone new to #ELTchat
theteacherjames 12:04 PM RT @Shaunwilden: RT @Shaunwilden: The topic for today is How do you deal with cultural issues in the multi-cultural classroom  #ELTchat
theteacherjames 12:04 PM @SueAnnan Good to see you at his time of day :-) #eltchat
teacherphili 12:04 PM @Shaunwilden *returns to topic* not sure I will come across many cultural issues in either city although both are multi-cultural #ELTchat
jobethsteel 12:04 PM #eltchat Hi all.
OUPELTGlobal 12:04 PM @Shaunwilden yes it is and very happy to be here too!  #eltchat
EFrecruitment 12:04 PM Hi All, what's an ELT chat? #eltchat
BobK99 12:04 PM @Shaunwilden  #eltchat The only thing wrong with 'agog'  is that not everyone knows it - but I'm a fan of 'a-' words, as @teflerinha knows.
SueAnnan 12:04 PM @MarjorieRosenbe  I find that it makes for fascinating discussions if handled carefully#eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:04 PM The topic for today is How do you deal with cultural issues in the multi-cultural classroom  #ELTchat
theteacherjames 12:04 PM @OUPELTGlobal Good to see you back! #eltchat
prese1 12:05 PM RT @MarjorieRosenbe: RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @SueAnnan Have you got some examples of topics or ideas? #eltchat
lexicojules 12:05 PM Think a sensitive mix of talking to Ss individually & addressing issues as a class when you have the facts works best #ELTchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:05 PM @SueAnnan Have you got some examples of topics or ideas? #eltchat
GemL1 12:05 PM Hi all  looking 4ward to another chat #ELTchat
teacherphili 12:05 PM @EFrecruitment #ELTchat is a weekly discussion forum for ELT professionals on Twitter - ask @Shaunwilden
iBritishCouncil 12:05 PM RT @english247: RT @english247: Online writing activities for adult #English learners and #kids http://t.co/K7hDF5Qn  #esol #efl #esl #esl #elt #twingli ...
SueAnnan 12:05 PM @theteacherjames thanks #eltchat
teacherphili 12:06 PM @teflgeek yes, let's have our usual starting definitions, anyone? #ELTchat
SueAnnan 12:06 PM My classes are always multilingual and multicultural, but I don't tempt fate with taboo subjects that I'm aware of#eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:06 PM RT @teflgeek: Can I ask what's meant here by "cultural issues"?  Seems quite broad! #eltchat
michaelegriffin 12:06 PM RT @teflgeek: RT @teflgeek: Can I ask what's meant here by "cultural issues"?  Seems quite broad! #eltchat
theteacherjames 12:06 PM RT @OUPELTGlobal: RT @OUPELTGlobal: it sounds like dealing with cultural issues is a problem. I'd like to look at it as an opportunity, no? #eltchat
teflgeek 12:06 PM Can I ask what's meant here by "cultural issues"?  Seems quite broad! #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 12:06 PM it sounds like dealing with cultural issues is a problem. I'd like to look at it as an opportunity, no? #eltchat
prese1 12:07 PM #ELTchat  I avoid religious and political views
BobK99 12:07 PM RT @Shaunwilden: RT @teflgeek: Can I ask what's meant here by "cultural issues"?  Seems quite broad! #eltchat > Yes, many issues...1/2
teacherphili 12:07 PM When I taught in Saudi Arbia, I wasn't allowed to talk about sex, religion and politics #nofun #ELTchat
theteacherjames 12:07 PM @OUPELTGlobal Agreed, I'm struggling to see the issue here. As @teflgeek says, it's a broad topic. #eltchat
MrChrisJWilson 12:07 PM #eltchat the one that comes to mind for me is religious and political beliefs. Things that are taboo
teflgeek 12:08 PM For me I think about behaviours that come from a cultural base, eg not listening to each other / talking over people / the teacher #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 12:08 PM RT @theteacherjames: @teacherphili But did your students want to talk about those subjects? #nofun #ELTchat #eltchat
teacherphili 12:08 PM Coursebooks are often tailored to avoid offence but, of course, might need adapting in certain contexts #ELTchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:08 PM @teflgeek I teach in Austria - mostly Catholic, have Muslim and Orthodox students from all over Europe. Affects lots of topics.#eltchat
theteacherjames 12:08 PM @teacherphili But did your students want to talk about those subjects? #nofun #ELTchat
MrChrisJWilson 12:08 PM #eltchat maybe it's all those PARSNIPS
iatefl 12:09 PM RT @Shaunwilden: RT @Shaunwilden: Still quite close for in the voting for today's topic #eltchat http://t.co/d7LB9Sdo 2 hours left to vote
MarjorieRosenbe 12:09 PM @teacherphili @teflgeek Definition for me is sts with different backgrounds, traditions and religions. #eltchat
MrChrisJWilson 12:09 PM RT @teflgeek: RT @teflgeek: For me I think about behaviours that come from a cultural base, eg not listening to each other / talking over people / the ...
SueAnnan 12:09 PM @MarjorieRosenbe holidays, old age, language itself, ways of thinking about the world#eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:09 PM @SueAnnan And how do we define taboo topics? Here's the first pitfall for me. #eltchat
lexicojules 12:09 PM Surely it depends on the mix of Ss and the setting. Many of my EAP Ss have issues adjusting to a UK uni setting #ELTchat
SueAnnan 12:10 PM @MarjorieRosenbe I just try to be sensitive about religion, sex and money usually #eltchat
MrChrisJWilson 12:10 PM @teflgeek potentially more important than differences in beliefs. How students believe they should/shouldn't be discussed #eltchat
teflgeek 12:10 PM Also the question of whose culture is dominant in the classroom?  Target culture?  Host Culture?  a mixture? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:10 PM RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @SueAnnan And how do we define taboo topics? Here's the first pitfall for me. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:10 PM There's quite wide definition going on here.......#ELTchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:11 PM @teflgeek Also an issue - things like being on time, interrupting, status of men and women - all affect learning. #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:11 PM @teacherphili In some markets dogs and alcohol are taboo for example. #eltchat In others it could be completely different topics.
iatefl 12:11 PM RT @Shaunwilden: RT @Shaunwilden: Your 12 BST #eltchat is How do you deal with cultural issues in the multi-cultural classroom? Pitfalls, suggestions, id ...
Shaunwilden 12:12 PM @MarjorieRosenbe @SueAnnan  Presumably not in that order  :-) #ELTchat
GemL1 12:12 PM RT @theteacherjames: RT @theteacherjames: Just because we want to be culturally sensitive doesn't mean we can't ask challenging questions, if we're careful a ...
OUPELTGlobal 12:12 PM Being American, of Portuguese descent, living in the UK, I come across "cultural issues" on a daily basis. #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:12 PM @SueAnnan So do you leave out holidays completely? I try to intoduce all if possible. #eltchat
mltmpk 12:12 PM Sex, death and divorce #eltchat
GemL1 12:12 PM @MarjorieRosenbe @teacherphili isn't it interesting for Ss to discuss these differences and learn bout other cultures? #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 12:12 PM RT @lexicojules: @teflgeek Yes exactly - v. different if you're in their country or they're in yours #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 12:12 PM @MarjorieRosenbe @teacherphili But i guess it easier if you know that already? Some MC classes you ight walk into a minefield no? #ELTchat
theteacherjames 12:12 PM @teacherphili @OUPELTGlobal Spot the disconnect... #ELTchat
teflgeek 12:12 PM @MrChrisJWilson students of one culture may have a mixture of beliefs - sensitivity is key - once you know your sts all is ok, no? #eltchat
SueAnnan 12:12 PM I have more difficulty with things students do, or don't do in class #eltchat  such as going down the corridor to blow their noses etc
teacherphili 12:12 PM @OUPELTGlobal @theteacherjames oh, yes, my students wanted 2 discuss what I labelled the 'holy trinity' of sex, religion, politics. #ELTchat
teacherphili 12:12 PM @OUPELTGlobal @theteacherjames oh, yes, my students wanted 2 discuss what I labelled the 'holy trinity' of sex, religion, politics. #ELTchat
lexicojules 12:12 PM @teflgeek Yes exactly - v. different if you're in their country or they're in yours #ELTchat
theteacherjames 12:12 PM Just because we want to be culturally sensitive doesn't mean we can't ask challenging questions, if we're careful about it. #eltchat
Marisa_C 12:12 PM Apologies but training and observing all day - will see you all for the late #ELTchat I hope!
theteacherjames 12:13 PM @SueAnnan Yes, and let them take the lead. #eltchat
teacherphili 12:13 PM difficult in situations where we are supposed to get students to think critically yet not on 'fixed' beliefs #ELTchat #SaudiArabia
BobK99 12:13 PM @Shaunwilden #teflgeek #eltchat 2/2 Sts not rec'ing a US-style mlbox-on-a-post in a cb VS 2 Ss not avoiding pairwork for cultural rsns of
teflgeek 12:13 PM @lexicojules but not only - maybe work in host culture, but classroom is target culture? #eltchat
theteacherjames 12:13 PM @MarjorieRosenbe @SueAnnan We can always ask the students to define it for us, I guess, when we do needs analysis. #eltchat
SueAnnan 12:13 PM @theteacherjames  I agree with you. You just need to be interested and sensitive #eltchat
BusinessFirst7 12:14 PM RT @english247: RT @english247: Online writing activities for adult #English learners and #kids http://t.co/K7hDF5Qn  #esol #efl #esl #esl #elt #twingli ...
prese1 12:14 PM RT @MarjorieRosenbe: RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @SueAnnan Agree - I find that some students don't want to disucss in  the group but are happy if I talk to them pri ...
SueAnnan 12:14 PM @theteacherjames agreed#eltchat
theteacherjames 12:14 PM RT @mltmpk: @theteacherjames @MarjorieRosenbe @SueAnnan I agree ! #eltchat
harrisonmike 12:14 PM #eltchat 2/2 ...to be challenged and addressed in class.
teflgeek 12:14 PM RT @MarjorieRosenbe Also an issue - things like being on time, interrupting, status of men and women - all affect learning. #eltchat - Yes!
MarjorieRosenbe 12:14 PM @SueAnnan Agree - I find that some students don't want to disucss in  the group but are happy if I talk to them privately about it. #eltchat
SueAnnan 12:14 PM @MarjorieRosenbe  no those are s things I discuss #eltchat
harrisonmike 12:14 PM #eltchat students can have strong opinions based on culture, religion, and personal beliefs, eg. homophobic views. IMO these need to 1/2
SueAnnan 12:15 PM @harrisonmike that's one I'm careful of, but would discuss if it came up#eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 12:15 PM I've found that culturally sensitive topics kill the conversation in class. So, don't mind that they are not included #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:15 PM @Shaunwilden That's tricky for me - I am in Austrian's country but my foreign students come from all over. #eltchat
theteacherjames 12:15 PM @mltmpk Thanks (don't forget the #eltchat hashtag!)
MarjorieRosenbe 12:16 PM @teacherphili Agree if we want them to think critically. That's a tough one to deal with. #eltchat
teacherphili 12:16 PM @GemL1 @MarjorieRosenbe yes, it is interesting to compare cultures where possible - esp in mixed classes and for younger learners #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 12:16 PM @OUPELTGlobal Is that with adults, teens or both? #ELTchat
harrisonmike 12:16 PM @BrunoELT @prese1 why? Overarching belief behind religion is tolerance -cite this when dealing with strong opinions based on relig? #eltchat
lexicojules 12:16 PM My Ss are coming to live/study in UK, think it's important to tackle cultural norms. Knowing probs from exp. helps the process #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 12:17 PM @MarjorieRosenbe @teacherphili Very tough I do wonder sometimes about that the pressure of CT against state spoon feeding on a sts #ELTchat
theteacherjames 12:17 PM @MarjorieRosenbe @SueAnnan Yes, the things they don't want to talk about. #eltchat
harrisonmike 12:17 PM Our @nateclaldn day conf on 13 Oct featured practical ideas 4 dealing w/ #lgbt issues in ESOL classrooms, and the opinions sts have #eltchat
theteacherjames 12:17 PM @harrisonmike Agreed, but who's doing the challenging? #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:17 PM @theteacherjames @SueAnnan James, what should they define? Taboo topics? #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 12:17 PM @Shaunwilden actually both  #eltchat
GemL1 12:17 PM @OUPELTGlobal think it depends how well Ss know each other and how T presents the topic #ELTchat
SueAnnan 12:17 PM I try to help my students avoid problems while they are here in my country. #eltchat
harrisonmike 12:18 PM @theteacherjames if we don't do it as teachers, sts will see such behaviour as acceptable - which it is NOT eg. when looking 4 work #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:18 PM @theteacherjames @SueAnnan Got it. Part of what I do is to open up mindsets of my Austrian students. #eltchat
lexicojules 12:18 PM @teflgeek yes, I agree that becomes trickier. #ELTchat
teflgeek 12:19 PM @BobK99 @Shaunwilden for me - I'm more concerned with the latter. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:19 PM @OUPELTGlobal Yes my experience to but it does depends on how it is broached - why then do so many cbks have culture in them :-) #eltchat
HTEduDelhi 12:19 PM RT @english247: RT @english247: Online writing activities for adult #English learners and #kids http://t.co/K7hDF5Qn  #esol #efl #esl #esl #elt #twingli ...
MarjorieRosenbe 12:19 PM My Austrian students were shocked that not everyone celebates the same holidays and the 25 Dec is not a special day. #eltchat
SueAnnan 12:19 PM @theteacherjames @marjorierosenbe  wouldn't work here if they wanted to avoid the war as a topic :-) #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 12:19 PM RT @GemL1: @OUPELTGlobal think it depends how well Ss know each other and how T presents the topic - Agree! #eltchat
teacherphili 12:19 PM It certainly depends on the make-up of the Ss but also on what the institution declares topics fit for discussion #ELTchat #criticalthinking
BobK99 12:19 PM RT   2/2 Sts not recnis'ing a US-style mlbox-on-a-post in a cb VS 2 Ss  AVOIDING pairwork for cultural rsns  @Shaunwilden #teflgeek #eltchat
teflgeek 12:19 PM I have a fun lesson that asks sts to discuss the things they believe in (or not) which I've run multi-culturally with no probs #eltchat
theteacherjames 12:19 PM @OUPELTGlobal That's why you've got to know your students, just like any subject it has to appeal to them. #eltchat
SueAnnan 12:20 PM @MarjorieRosenbe good idea. I often find Austrian students very are work #eltchat  :-)
teflgeek 12:20 PM @MarjorieRosenbe I was shocked when in China and had to teach on Dec 25th! #eltchat
theteacherjames 12:20 PM @harrisonmike I understand that, but I'd like to see the other sts get involved too & preferably without me needing too. Ideally. #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 12:20 PM RT @theteacherjames: @OUPELTGlobal That's why you've got to know your students, just like any subject it has to appeal to them. #eltchat
jobethsteel 12:21 PM #eltchat REally varies.  Some sts  interested, others not at all.  I  encourage them to see importance in their Eng use around the world.
MarjorieRosenbe 12:21 PM @teacherphilli We create our own syllabus and topics. All up to me. #eltchat Feel my mission is to create atmsophere of tolerance. #eltchat
SueAnnan 12:21 PM @SueAnnan @marjorierosenbe  oops. Are very hard work #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:21 PM @teflgeek @MarjorieRosenbe  Quite a lot of teachers dont realise that 25th is not a universal day as well :-) #eltchat
theteacherjames 12:21 PM @SueAnnan @marjorierosenbe How we approach these subjects is absolutely key, I think. #eltchat
harrisonmike 12:21 PM @theteacherjames that is the ideal :) #eltchat
prese1 12:21 PM RT @OUPELTGlobal: RT @OUPELTGlobal: RT @theteacherjames: @OUPELTGlobal That's why you've got to know your students, just like any subject it has to appeal ...
teacherphili 12:21 PM OK as long as you don't proselytise one faith over another - ie Christian over Muslim -  that was my experience in Saudi, anyway #eltchat
harrisonmike 12:21 PM #eltchat challenging discrimination is part of OFSTED's inspection framework now as part of Equality and Diversity provision
MarjorieRosenbe 12:22 PM Wouldn't proselytise in any case but weird for me to talk about being Jewish in Austria. But I do. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:22 PM RT @lexicojules: Exactly,we're not only teaching lang but also norms of communication behaviour in a target culture too, aren't we? #ELTchat
SueAnnan 12:22 PM @theteacherjames I think you have to make your classroom a safe environment for discussion too #eltchat
lexicojules 12:22 PM @harrisonmike Exactly, we're not only teaching lang but also norms of communication behaviour in a target culture too, aren't we? #ELTchat
theteacherjames 12:22 PM @harrisonmike Got to aim for something! #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:23 PM @BrunoELT @teflgeek Teaching on Dec 25 is probably the case in many places around the world. #eltchat List would be interesting.
OUPELTGlobal 12:23 PM #eltchat
teacherphili 12:23 PM On Dec 25th, in Beijing, I taught how to pass an IELTS Writing Part One exam using a rewritten 12 days of Christmas. #ELTchat
theteacherjames 12:23 PM @SueAnnan Yes, you have to create the correct climate before you leap into any difficult subject. They need to trust the teacher. #eltchat
teflgeek 12:23 PM @BrunoELT @MarjorieRosenbe At that point it hadn't previously occurred to me that it wouldn't be a holiday.  Live and learn.  #eltchat
teflgeek 12:24 PM @teacherphili nice!  #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 12:24 PM I'm curious. Would you say that being open to the culture helps to learn the language better?  #eltchat
theteacherjames 12:25 PM RT @Shaunwilden: RT @Shaunwilden: As @theteacherjames  says creating the correct climate is important, so how should tchrs go about that? #eltchat
SueAnnan 12:25 PM I have a crime lesson I do with things which are problems in diff parts of the world. It always raises questions. Good material #eltchat
BobK99 12:25 PM RT @OUPELTGlobal: I'm curious. Would you say that being open to the culture helps to learn the language better?  #eltchat >I'd say Yes
teflgeek 12:25 PM Challenging beliefs and playing devil's advocate:  "Reason to Believe" http://t.co/EJuZ9WgO #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:25 PM @teacherphili Great, love it!
lexicojules 12:25 PM I'd rather Ss made cultural gaffes in the classroom where I can sensitively explain than out in the 'real world' :) #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 12:25 PM As @theteacherjames  says creating the correct climate is important, so how should tchrs go about that? #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:25 PM @Shaunwilden @lexicojules My point exactly - teaching is communication and accepting others. My 2 cents. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:26 PM @SueAnnan I imgine crime is quite  a conversation starter #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:26 PM One lesson I do is a comparison of Xmas, Kwanzaa and Chanuka traditions. Totally new to my students (winter holidays) #eltchat
prese1 12:26 PM @lexicojules #ELTchat an interesting point
teflgeek 12:27 PM @Shaunwilden @theteacherjames Asking learners to pass comment on other cultures can help them realise aspects of their own #eltchat
GemL1 12:27 PM RT @theteacherjames: RT @theteacherjames: @SueAnnan Yes, you have to create the correct climate before you leap into any difficult subject. They need to trus ...
theteacherjames 12:27 PM RT @teflgeek: RT @teflgeek: Challenging beliefs and playing devil's advocate:  "Reason to Believe" http://t.co/EJuZ9WgO #eltchat
SueAnnan 12:27 PM @MarjorieRosenbe and food #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:27 PM @SueAnnan Sounds good - can you share it or is it copyrighted?
SueAnnan 12:28 PM @Shaunwilden especially here. We still have bizarre medieval laws #eltchat
MLMagLondon 12:28 PM RT @english247: RT @english247: Online writing activities for adult #English learners and #kids http://t.co/K7hDF5Qn  #esol #efl #esl #esl #elt #twingli ...
MarjorieRosenbe 12:28 PM @OUPELTGlobal Definitely. Being open to culture provides motivation and interest. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:28 PM RT @teflgeek: Asking learners to pass comment on other cultures can help them realise aspects of their own #eltchat
mmgrinberg 12:28 PM RT @teflgeek: RT @teflgeek: @Shaunwilden @theteacherjames Asking learners to pass comment on other cultures can help them realise aspects of their own ...
SueAnnan 12:28 PM @MarjorieRosenbe will share when I get a chance#eltchat
theteacherjames 12:29 PM I would certainly be patient before bringing up a culturally sensitive issue, the sts & you need to have developed a rapport first. #eltchat
CDEWAdvertising 12:29 PM RT @english247: RT @english247: Online writing activities for adult #English learners and #kids http://t.co/K7hDF5Qn  #esol #efl #esl #esl #elt #twingli ...
teacherphili 12:29 PM Teaching in a MC class might make us try to be MC in approach (ie accept evry view) but some situations don't allow for that #Saudi #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 12:30 PM @teacherphili i certainly would accept every view of the sts esp when it shows lack of acceptance or tolerance #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:30 PM @theteacherjames Rapport is a fundamental for any teaching I find. #eltchat
teacherphili 12:30 PM RT @SueAnnan: RT @SueAnnan: Sometimes culture is like an iceberg and we only glimpse what is on the surface. Need to be careful as can stir up hornets ...
David__Boughton 12:30 PM @BobK99 I would say embracing the culture us needed. Students I see learn quickest love English speaking culture. #eltchat
teflgeek 12:30 PM You do hear learners say some quite .... provocative ... things sometimes #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 12:30 PM @SueAnnan Food is always an interesting topic and really brings up cultural differences in a safe environment #eltchat
teacherphili 12:30 PM I would only attempt challenging views with higher levels athough it really depends on the construction of the class #ELTchat
lexicojules 12:30 PM I don't think discussing culture has to always be about 'big' issues (sex & death), it can be about everyday norms ...#ELTchat
SueAnnan 12:30 PM Sometimes culture is like an iceberg and we only glimpse what is on the surface. Need to be careful as can stir up hornets nest #eltchat
lexicojules 12:31 PM ...I've had discussions about interrupting in class, criticizing others, saying you don't know sth, nose blowing! #ELTchat
teacherphili 12:31 PM @Shaunwilden and would you challenge it (lack of acceptance or tolerance, i mean)?
Shaunwilden 12:31 PM @teacherphili I would openly challenge racist, homophobic etc views #eltchat
prese1 12:31 PM #ELTchat depends on what you talk about
theteacherjames 12:31 PM If I want to challenge my sts, they will already know that I don't accept easy answers & that I want them to think seriously. #eltchat
mmgrinberg 12:31 PM Hi everybody! An awesome book re culture http://t.co/2GQZQeMl sorry dunno if someone's mentioned it b4 #eltchat
GemL1 12:32 PM RT @Shaunwilden: RT @Shaunwilden: @teacherphili I would openly challenge racist, homophobic etc views #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 12:32 PM RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @theteacherjames Rapport is a fundamental for any teaching I find. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:32 PM @teacherphili I refuse to go there #eltchat
SueAnnan 12:32 PM Barry Tomalin is excellent on cultural issues too #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:32 PM @OUPELTGlobal @SueAnnan Sts tried to explain what 'not kosher' meant as it is used in German, that was interesting. #eltchat
teacherphili 12:32 PM @Shaunwilden you've answered my question, thanks #ELTchat -> I would TRY to, was difficult in Saudi
teflgeek 12:32 PM @teacherphili Absolutely.  #eltchat
theteacherjames 12:32 PM @MarjorieRosenbe Absolutely, but for these kinds of subjects I think it's 100% necessary. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:32 PM @teacherphili haha i answered before the question :-) #eltchat
theteacherjames 12:33 PM RT @mmgrinberg: RT @mmgrinberg: Hi everybody! An awesome book re culture http://t.co/2GQZQeMl sorry dunno if someone's mentioned it b4 #eltchat
SueAnnan 12:33 PM @Shaunwilden yes. I've heard him speak on several occasions and he talks a lot of sense #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 12:33 PM @MarjorieRosenbe  Portuguese find 45 minutes for lunch criminal ... and only a sandwich? Barbaric - lol #eltchat
prese1 12:33 PM #ELTchat I'd avoid confrontations
theteacherjames 12:33 PM @SueAnnan A hornets nest under an iceberg? That sounds dangerous!! ;-) #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:33 PM @teflgeek Right and sometimes women teachers face particular problems with male sts.  Not sure how to deal with it. #eltchat
teflgeek 12:33 PM @teacherphili It's not about imposing your own point of view, it's about leading learners to challenge and rethink their own POV.  #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:33 PM @SueAnnan he is and his book Culture awareness has some excellent activities in it #eltchat
David__Boughton 12:33 PM @lexicojules I agree. We aren't training future politicians or debaters. How often do we speak about these topics in real life? #eltchat
mmgrinberg 12:33 PM I'll never forget a teen shouting 'Heil Hitler' in the middle of my lesson. I was ssoo confused, but I'm happy we discussed it. #eltchat
theteacherjames 12:34 PM @SueAnnan It was a lovely mix! #eltchat
SueAnnan 12:34 PM @theteacherjames mixing my metaphors today. Knackered! #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:34 PM @teacherphili @Shaunwilden Have done it calmly and asked them to be more tolerant or open. #eltchat Talk about US melting pot, eg.
Shaunwilden 12:34 PM @MarjorieRosenbe @teflgeek  Yes  I had to deal with a company director once who refused to be taught be a woman! #eltchat
teacherphili 12:34 PM I am wondering if being an ELT teacher should require a high level of challenging and drawing out of critical thinking skills #ELTchat
teflgeek 12:35 PM RT @teacherphili: RT @teacherphili: I am wondering if being an ELT teacher should require a high level of challenging and drawing out of critical thinking ...
David__Boughton 12:35 PM @mmgrinberg we don't accept this behaviour in real life. Why in the class? Would we "discuss it" if someone did that at a party? #eltchat
SueAnnan 12:35 PM @Shaunwilden me too! #eltchat
theteacherjames 12:35 PM @mmgrinberg As long as it wasn't addressed at you... #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:35 PM RT @teacherphili: I am wondering if being an ELT teacher shld require a high level of challenging & drawing out of CT  skills #ELTchat
teacherphili 12:35 PM @teflgeek > I agree #ELTchat
vickyloras 12:36 PM Sorry to join in so late - lesson just finished - in time for this amazing topic! #ELTChat
theteacherjames 12:36 PM @teacherphili What's the alternative? Discussing celebrities and the weather? I'll pass thanks. #ELTchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:36 PM The Chinese nap during the day - totally OK. Love it when students bring up these things in class. #eltchat
vickyloras 12:36 PM RT @SueAnnan: RT @SueAnnan: Barry Tomalin is excellent on cultural issues too #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:36 PM RT @David__Boughton:  we don't accept this behaviour in real life. Why in the class?...... #eltchat
SueAnnan 12:37 PM Have to admit that we use the taboos and issues book with teens, and it works quite well. I enjoy 52 with my adults too #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:37 PM @GemL1 @theteacherjames  yes that's good advice #eltchat
teacherphili 12:37 PM @GemL1 @Shaunwilden @theteacherjames agree - encourage Ss to set classroom rules to start with #ELTchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:37 PM I think we need to define our mission as ELT teachers. Mine is to open their minds as well as to teach the language. #eltchat
prese1 12:37 PM RT @GemL1: RT @GemL1: @Shaunwilden @theteacherjames mayb setting some ground rules 1st? and setting a good eg by not offending anyone ureself #eltchat
teflgeek 12:37 PM @David__Boughton @mmgrinberg but teenagers love to push the boundaries - and their teachers' buttons.  A reaction is what they want #eltchat
theteacherjames 12:37 PM @teacherphili Not this time! #ELtchat
teacherphili 12:37 PM @theteacherjames are you being devil's advocate, today? #ELtchat
GemL1 12:37 PM @Shaunwilden @theteacherjames mayb setting some ground rules 1st? and setting a good eg by not offending anyone ureself #eltchat
theteacherjames 12:37 PM RT @David__Boughton: RT @David__Boughton: @mmgrinberg we don't accept this behaviour in real life. Why in the class? Would we "discuss it" if someone did tha ...
teflgeek 12:38 PM @MarjorieRosenbe might be our mission, but is it our job? #eltchat
SueAnnan 12:38 PM RT @MarjorieRosenbe: RT @MarjorieRosenbe: And to teach my students (all of them) to be citizens of the world. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:38 PM RT @theteacherjames: What's the alternative? Discussing celebrities and the weather? I'll pass thanks. #ELTchat  - agreed
GemL1 12:38 PM RT @MarjorieRosenbe: RT @MarjorieRosenbe: I think we need to define our mission as ELT teachers. Mine is to open their minds as well as to teach the language ...
vickyloras 12:38 PM RT @GemL1: RT @GemL1: @Shaunwilden @theteacherjames mayb setting some ground rules 1st? and setting a good eg by not offending anyone ureself #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:38 PM And to teach my students (all of them) to be citizens of the world. #eltchat
teflgeek 12:38 PM RT @theteacherjames: What's the alternative? Discussing celebrities and the weather? I'll pass thanks. #ELTchat  - completely agree
Shaunwilden 12:39 PM @teflgeek @MarjorieRosenbe Yes i think it is part of our job.....#eltchat
vickyloras 12:39 PM @GemL1 @Shaunwilden @theteacherjames Agree Gemma, sometimes teachers ask of their students things they don't model themselves first #ELTChat
David__Boughton 12:39 PM @theteacherjames - not discussing but doing. Ss don't "discuss" with a waiter or when shopping. What happened to functions? #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 12:39 PM @MarjorieRosenbe  Great discussion with Spanish students on the importance of the siesta as it is challenged by the rest of Europe #eltchat
teacherphili 12:40 PM Must dash - my train has just arrived in Cambridge and I need to get to bus station. Bye! #ELTchat
lexicojules 12:40 PM I try to distance myself by saying "Most British people would find that quite offensive/shocking/surprising" then explain why #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 12:40 PM @teacherphili What an odd combination of topics for  lesson #eltchat
SueAnnan 12:40 PM @Shaunwilden @theteacherjames  my beginners from Venezuela were desperate to discuss their elections the other day#eltchat
theteacherjames 12:40 PM @GemL1 @Shaunwilden Agreed, lots of ground work has to be done first. #eltchat
teacherphili 12:40 PM I remember discussing reunification and under age sex with 16 year old South Koreans  - never had so much silence in the classroom #ELTchat
GeorginaPsarra 12:41 PM Good to be in the group! Can you inform me about the topic?#ELTChat
theteacherjames 12:41 PM @mmgrinberg :-) #eltchat
teflgeek 12:41 PM @MarjorieRosenbe That would be a chat I'd like to see! #eltchat
theteacherjames 12:41 PM @SueAnnan @Shaunwilden That's be a great lesson. Wind 'em up and let 'em go! #eltchat
mmgrinberg 12:41 PM @theteacherjames it might have been :) #eltchat
teacherphili 12:41 PM @Shaunwilden separate lessons, actually hehe #ELTchat  Byeeeeee!
teflgeek 12:41 PM RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @teflgeek There is a big question - maybe the next ELT chat. What exactly is our job? At uni, yes I think so. #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 12:41 PM Very important to have the support and understanding of the school administration when issues come up in class #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:42 PM @GeorginaPsarra How do you deal with cultural issues in the multi-cultural classroom? #eltchat
theteacherjames 12:42 PM @MarjorieRosenbe Admire your goals, as both a language teacher and an educator in a wider sense. #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 12:42 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @teacherphili What an odd combination of topics for  lesson #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:42 PM @GeorginaPsarra Today we're talking about culture #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:42 PM Once held holiday party in which sts brought specialty foods from their countries - was really fun & informative. #eltchat
theteacherjames 12:43 PM @David__Boughton Always need a balance. Fully agree with incorporating functional activities alongside higher order thinking. #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:43 PM @theteacherjames Thanks. University students often take lanugages so they can study abroad so it's important. #eltchat
vickyloras 12:43 PM RT @theteacherjames: RT @theteacherjames: @MarjorieRosenbe Admire your goals, as both a language teacher and an educator in a wider sense. #eltchat
teflgeek 12:43 PM We cover some of these issues with a code of conduct for classes that includes "respect" #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:44 PM My students want to talk about US election - fine with me as I try to explain the issues at hand. #eltchat
lexicojules 12:44 PM @david__boughton we do discuss in a foreign lang too. I remember trying to discuss NHS with a French friend & struggling for vocab #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 12:45 PM 15 mins left, maybe time to share some activity ideas if you've not already done so? #eltchat
David__Boughton 12:45 PM I think expecting students to handle difficult topics with respect is more than we expect out of the general population. #eltchat
GeorginaPsarra 12:45 PM Thank you for informing me. #ELTChat
SKSMediaBaku 12:45 PM RT @english247: RT @english247: Online writing activities for adult #English learners and #kids http://t.co/K7hDF5Qn  #esol #efl #esl #esl #elt #twingli ...
theteacherjames 12:45 PM @MarjorieRosenbe I believe in life long learning, so the wider opportunity to learn should be granted to all who want it. #eltchat
mmgrinberg 12:46 PM @David__Boughton it led to a discn re migrants &they were really surprised to learn that in other contrs Russians have this role #eltchat
prese1 12:46 PM RT @David__Boughton: RT @David__Boughton: I think expecting students to handle difficult topics with respect is more than we expect out of the general popula ...
theteacherjames 12:46 PM RT @teflgeek: We cover some of these issues with a code of conduct for classes that includes "respect" #eltchat >> Great idea!
prese1 12:47 PM RT @theteacherjames: RT @theteacherjames: Just because we want to be culturally sensitive doesn't mean we can't ask challenging questions, if we're careful a ...
GemL1 12:47 PM @Shaunwilden immigration/visa act Ss interview and explain about sum cultural differences they'd need to get used to   #eltchat
BobK99 12:47 PM RT @Shaunwilden: 15 mins left, maybe time to share some activity ideas if you've not already done so? #eltchat >And code of conduct, please
ESLbasics 12:47 PM RT @theteacherjames: RT @theteacherjames: Just because we want to be culturally sensitive doesn't mean we can't ask challenging questions, if we're careful a ...
MarjorieRosenbe 12:47 PM @theteacherjames Feel the same. Learning is not just limited to the classroom. #eltchat Opening minds can help learner autonomy. #eltchat
michaelegriffin 12:48 PM Another book recomendation for #ELTchat and culture in #ELT is http://t.co/z3PH2pot
teflgeek 12:48 PM Activity:  time lapse video of daily life for comparison with ss own culture: http://t.co/e257BeJV #eltchat
David__Boughton 12:48 PM @Shaunwilden any activity that doesn't have Ss role-play as other cultures. Recipe for disaster. #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:48 PM I have an activity on how the winter holidays are celebrated and they guess where. #eltchat Gets lots of conversation going.
lexicojules 12:48 PM @david__boughton Think that depends on the Ss. I teach high level postgrad EAP Ss, they do need to get to grips with this stuff #ELTchat
teflgeek 12:49 PM I have our code of conduct as word doc - what's best way to share here? #eltchat
theteacherjames 12:49 PM Activity: some ideas taken from the Guardian family section, lots of cultural comparisons to be made here http://t.co/kjQ369sJ #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:49 PM @teflgeek Love it - do you show a video or just talk about routines? #eltchat
OUPELTGlobal 12:49 PM @David__Boughton I agree, but the general population is not necessarily learning a foreing language. That makes a difference, no? #eltchat
vickyloras 12:50 PM Visuals around the classroom/school needed as well, posters of other cultures w/ppl,lives,traditions etc #ELTChat
teflgeek 12:50 PM @MarjorieRosenbe on the link there's a video called "the sandpit" - i'd show that in class #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:50 PM @teflgeek googledoc then share the link? #eltchat
theteacherjames 12:50 PM RT @michaelegriffin: Another book recomendation for #ELTchat and culture in #ELT is http://t.co/Nugm20tR by Pat Moran.
ESLbasics 12:50 PM @MrChrisJWilson For me, I don't see those topics as taboo, as long as everyone can feel protected while sharing their beliefs. #eltchat
David__Boughton 12:50 PM @OUPELTGlobal students want to learn so they can interact with the general population, so I would say no. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:50 PM @teflgeek Thats a crackin activity :-) #eltchat
prese1 12:51 PM RT @michaelegriffin: RT @michaelegriffin: An activity that I love is to have Ss (in groups) create their own cultures complete with traditions, mores and eve ...
michaelegriffin 12:51 PM An activity that I love is to have Ss (in groups) create their own cultures complete with traditions, mores and everything. 1/2 #eltchat
vickyloras 12:51 PM RT @michaelegriffin: RT @michaelegriffin: Another book recomendation for #ELTchat and culture in #ELT is http://t.co/z3PH2pot
GeorginaPsarra 12:51 PM Soon I'll do some Halloween projects with kids #ELTChat
theteacherjames 12:52 PM RT @vickyloras: RT @vickyloras: Visuals around the classroom/school needed as well, posters of other cultures w/ppl,lives,traditions etc #ELTChat
prese1 12:52 PM @michaelegriffin great idea #ELTchat
michaelegriffin 12:52 PM 2/2 #ELTchat Then set them free to intermingle with the other cultures and report back on what happened/how it went/how they felt etc.
David__Boughton 12:52 PM @lexicojules yes some students need it. #eltchat
vickyloras 12:52 PM If in multi-culti classes, a show&tell of each one's culture-if in mono-culti, each S chooses a country to present on #ELTCHat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:53 PM We often talk about how to do business in different cultures - can make or break deal. #eltchat The Culture Pack, Derik Utley
OUPELTGlobal 12:53 PM Activity: students describe a person based on image, then compare reality by reading a text.  #eltchat
lexicojules 12:53 PM One thought: think these things have to come from the teacher not the c'book - they know what, when & how it's appropriate #ELTchat
SKSMediaLDN 12:54 PM RT @english247: RT @english247: Online writing activities for adult #English learners and #kids http://t.co/K7hDF5Qn  #esol #efl #esl #esl #elt #twingli ...
MarjorieRosenbe 12:54 PM Have unit on Islamic banking in Banking and Finance 2, Pearson - always creates interest in non-Islamic countries. #eltchat
David__Boughton 12:54 PM @vickyloras - haha- Reminds me of a culture poster I found in school closet from 80s. Look out! Can you say sombreros and kimonos? #eltchat
BobK99 12:54 PM RT @prese1: @michaelegriffin great idea #ELTchat > But I can imagine it's hard to tell Ss what to do. (I can hear 'What are doing?' already)
jobethsteel 12:54 PM #eltchat  Sorry.  Have to go.  Thanks!
Shaunwilden 12:54 PM Some lovely activities being suggested, 5 mins left for today #eltchat
mickstout 12:54 PM @vickyloras Gr8 idea when u have ur own classroom! Difficult at unis. #ELTChat
michaelegriffin 12:55 PM @BobK99 @prese1 "How do you great each other?" What are do you avoid? How do men/women relate to each other? #ELTchat
teflgeek 12:55 PM @Shaunwilden let me know if probs with link!  #eltchat
theteacherjames 12:55 PM @michaelegriffin Love this activity, bet they come up with some insane stuff! #ELTchat
Shaunwilden 12:55 PM @michaelegriffin @BobK99 @prese1 Why cant you share them? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:55 PM @DaveDodgson Please keep tweets relevant to the topic during #eltchat
michaelegriffin 12:55 PM @BobK99 @prese1 Could be hard but I have series of questions (which I wish I could share but I cannot) to get them thinking. #ELTchat
OUPELTGlobal 12:55 PM @michaelegriffin Really like this idea. Might use it this week with my class.  #eltchat
prese1 12:55 PM @BobK99 @michaelegriffin #ELTchat it might depend on the level
theteacherjames 12:56 PM @lexicojules Can't see any alternative to that. Coursebooks by definition have to appeal to a wide range of cultures, alas. #ELTchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:56 PM I also think we are ambassadors of our culture - I tell them how things are in the States or what I see in the UK. #eltchat
JulieRaikou 12:56 PM @Vickyloras will know how imp cultrue issues in GR atm. Thks for book refs & #ELTChat @theteacherjames @SueAnnan @michaelegriffin @BrunoELT
teflgeek 12:56 PM There's also the Socio-Cultural Game in the back of Market Leader Internediate.  #eltchat
Shaunwilden 12:56 PM Time to start thinking of volunteering to write the summary #eltchat
David__Boughton 12:56 PM @michaelegriffin I do a similar one where they create a country. Anthems, culture, and everything. #eltchat
SueAnnan 12:56 PM @MarjorieRosenbe yes that's a good subject for Jersey #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 12:57 PM @Shaunwilden How does it work when you write summary? Not sure how to put the comments together. #eltchat
vickyloras 12:57 PM RT @DaveDodgson: RT @DaveDodgson: From @OUPELTGlobal A Storyline Approach to Language Teaching and Learning http://t.co/ubn691rL #ELTchat
mickstout 12:57 PM @lexicojules True, but I've been out of my home country 4 a long time now. Canada's culture is evolving but mine has fossilised. #ELTCHat
GeorginaPsarra 12:57 PM We talk how western cultures celebrate holidays #ELTChat
vickyloras 12:57 PM RT @michaelegriffin: RT @michaelegriffin: @BobK99 @prese1 "How do you great each other?" What are do you avoid? How do men/women relate to each other? #ELTchat
michaelegriffin 12:57 PM @prese1 @BobK99 Surely cld depend on level but Ive done w/ very low level Ss as well.The round up reflection is not as deep is all #ELTchat
SueAnnan 12:58 PM @MarjorieRosenbe @shaunwilden  there's a text on how to do it on the wiki I believe #eltchat
BobK99 12:58 PM RT @Shaunwilden: @michaelegriffin @BobK99 @prese1 Why cant you share them? #eltchat > That's very forward of you. Not British??? :-)
MarjorieRosenbe 12:58 PM Have other culture game now on English 360 where sts in groups come up with rituals, greet each other and try to understand values. #eltchat
michaelegriffin 12:58 PM @David__Boughton Fuuun! Yes... nice to see the differences that inevitably arise. #ELTchat
OUPELTGlobal 12:58 PM Oops, have to go, It was great to be back and feel motivated as usual. Thanks to the moderators! #eltchat
theteacherjames 12:58 PM Some thoughts on culture and critical thinking: http://t.co/Vj2IMiRi #eltchat
SueAnnan 12:58 PM @Shaunwilden would help but coming up to monster weekend of marking. Sorry. Maybe next week #eltchat
GemL1 12:58 PM @michaelegriffin snds like a great L, I've done design a country but didn't touch on culture much, thats 2mos LP done, ta!  #eltchat
David__Boughton 12:58 PM @MarjorieRosenbe do you like that book? Just attended the Pearson webinar and that wad the sample chapter. #eltchat
michaelegriffin 12:58 PM @Shaunwilden @BobK99 @prese1 #ELTchat not my work... owned by a corporate entity. Sorry for vagueness.
michaelegriffin 12:59 PM @GemL1 :) last year I had (low level) uni SS trying to touch their hair to others as a greeting to people who don't touch ever. #ELTchat
MarjorieRosenbe 1:00 PM @Shaunwilden Not sure if I have seen fb page is that where I logged in - could try - can I contact you if I have problems? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 1:00 PM Tonight at 21BST  Does feedback really help or are mistakes made by learners fossilised? #eltchat
teflgeek 1:00 PM thanks to all for #eltchat - see you next time!
SueAnnan 1:00 PM Have to love you and leave you. Will hope to catch some of you tonight#eltchat
prese1 1:00 PM #ELTchat thanx 4 the chat
David__Boughton 1:01 PM Thanks #eltchat. Time for work over here in Canada.
theteacherjames 1:01 PM RT @Shaunwilden: RT @Shaunwilden: Tonight at 21BST  Does feedback really help or are mistakes made by learners fossilised? #eltchat
michaelegriffin 1:01 PM @BobK99 @prese1 @michaelegriffin #ELTchat I think the "what are we doing?" stuff is more likely to come because it is a different/new thing
theteacherjames 1:01 PM @MarjorieRosenbe @Shaunwilden We'll help you if you want to do it. #eltchat
Shaunwilden 1:02 PM @MarjorieRosenbe Of course, as James said we're there to help - look at the other ones on http://t.co/vuU77gY7 for inspiration  #eltchat
MarjorieRosenbe 1:02 PM @theteacherjames @Shaunwilden OK - let me know when summary is up and what to do next. Need my email? #eltchat
Shaunwilden 1:02 PM @teflgeek The link works but you need to make it open to all to see it (look in share options) #eltchat

 

 

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