| username |
time |
status |
| Shaunwilden |
12:00 PM |
It's 12 BST so time for #eltchat we'll be talking "How important is creativity in the Classroom" |
| elawassell |
12:02 PM |
Hello everyone! RT @Shaunwilden: The two articles that prompted the topic http://t.co/xlcixmNL and http://t.co/8k42MPiK #ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:02 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: RT @Shaunwilden: The two articles that prompted the topic http://t.co/U6DoMRrS and http://t.co/t5BNkY92 #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:02 PM |
The two articles that prompted the topic http://t.co/U6DoMRrS and http://t.co/t5BNkY92 #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
12:03 PM |
@Shaunwilden Only saw one article through the link. Did I miss something? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:03 PM |
@elawassell Hi Ela so what are your thoughts on creativity? #eltchat |
| elawassell |
12:04 PM |
@Shaunwilden I’m somewhere in the middle on this topic. Depends on your Ss age/ needs / purpose for learning English. #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:04 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe It's one newspaper article and one blog post #eltchat |
| teacherphili |
12:05 PM |
Hello. Been trying to read Hugh's article. Lots of good points but couldn't get through it all. http://t.co/Ydga9pck #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:05 PM |
@elawassell Is that fence sitting :-) #eltchat |
| GemL1 |
12:05 PM |
Hi, everyone, looking 4ward to my first eltchat #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:06 PM |
@GemL1 welcome I'm sure you will get a lot from it :-) #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
12:06 PM |
#eltchat For me I guess it's about principled creativity (bit like principled eclecticism)! |
| Shaunwilden |
12:06 PM |
@teacherphili What are the good points? #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:06 PM |
RT @teacherphili: RT @teacherphili: Hello. Been trying to read Hugh's article. Lots of good points but couldn't get through it all. http://t.co/Ydga9pck # ... |
| elawassell |
12:06 PM |
@Shaunwilden Putting me on the spot :P but I wouldn't got for the extreme all the time in the class. |
| rliberni |
12:06 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: RT @Shaunwilden: It's 12 BST so time for #eltchat we'll be talking "How important is creativity in the Classroom" |
| Shaunwilden |
12:06 PM |
@GemL1 Hi Gemma, how do you feel about creativity? #eltchat |
| esolcourses |
12:07 PM |
RT @MrChrisJWilson: Ai! just arrived for #eltchat where are we at? |
| theteacherjames |
12:07 PM |
Hi @GemL1, welcome aboard! #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:07 PM |
Ai! just arrived for #eltchat where are we at? |
| rliberni |
12:07 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: RT @Shaunwilden: RT @elawassell: What do we define as creativity here? #ELTchat |
| teflerinha |
12:07 PM |
#eltchat It's important to be creative for both you and your students..but being effective and principled more important still. |
| teacherphili |
12:07 PM |
It's a slow start. Guess people are still trying to wade through Hugh's article. The Guardian article was ambiguously fine enough #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:07 PM |
RT @elawassell: What do we define as creativity here? #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:07 PM |
@teflerinha Principled creativity, nice phrase :-) #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:07 PM |
Can all lessons be creative? #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:07 PM |
@teacherphili Ditto #ELTchat |
| elawassell |
12:07 PM |
What do we define as creativity here? #ELTchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
12:08 PM |
I find that ideas come to me while I am yeachinh and I try them out on the spot. If they ork I try to remember them for future. #eltchat |
| GemL1 |
12:08 PM |
RT @teflerinha: RT @teflerinha: #eltchat It's important to be creative for both you and your students..but being effective and principled more important ... |
| teflerinha |
12:08 PM |
@elawassell Ah..that's another #eltchat ;) |
| rliberni |
12:08 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson talking about creativity in the classroom looking for a definition right now #eltchat |
| jobethsteel |
12:08 PM |
Hello! #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:08 PM |
RT @GemL1: @Shaunwilden I think Ts should use it if it adds value - increases interest/ motivation and there4 participation #eltchat |
| elawassell |
12:08 PM |
RT @teflerinha: its about principled creativity (bit like principled eclecticism)! <- Agree! now what are the principles? :-) |
| teacherphili |
12:08 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson haven't missed much. Just defining #creativity #ELTchat |
| teflerinha |
12:08 PM |
RT @GemL1: RT @GemL1: @Shaunwilden I think Ts should use it if it adds value - increases interest/ motivation and there4 participation #eltchat |
| GemL1 |
12:08 PM |
@Shaunwilden I think Ts should use it if it adds value - increases interest/ motivation and there4 participation #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:08 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson Hello, just getting going #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
12:09 PM |
#eltchat By principled I mean that T has reason for activity other than it's creative or fun |
| Shaunwilden |
12:09 PM |
@elawassell Erm dont the principlesdepend on what you're being creative for? :-) #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
12:10 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe Just did :) #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:10 PM |
there's a wonderful quote "good artist steal, great artist copy" language is like that a lot #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
12:10 PM |
RT @GemL1: RT @GemL1: @Shaunwilden I think Ts should use it if it adds value - increases interest/ motivation and there4 participation #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:10 PM |
@teflerinha Arh that good phrase "I'm doing this cos it's fun" #eltchat |
| esolcourses |
12:10 PM |
RT @MrChrisJWilson: #eltchat I quite liked the point that creativity isn't completely linked to originality |
| theteacherjames |
12:10 PM |
1 / 2 Quote from Hugh Dellar's piece... #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
12:10 PM |
@teflerinha Can you give quick definition of principed? #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:10 PM |
I personally think we need to build it into the course or programme as well as the day to day #eltchat |
| esolcourses |
12:10 PM |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: RT @MarjorieRosenbe: I find that ideas come to me while I am yeachinh and I try them out on the spot. If they ork I try to remember them ... |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:10 PM |
#eltchat I quite liked the point that creativity isn't completely linked to originality |
| elawassell |
12:11 PM |
@Shaunwilden 4 me - I wouldn't roll adults on the carpet - but would be happy to play like that with kids - while using LANGUAGE #ELTchat |
| teflerinha |
12:11 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: RT @Shaunwilden: @teflerinha Arh that good phrase "I'm doing this cos it's fun" #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:11 PM |
Quote by John Updike. Do you agree? #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:11 PM |
Creativity is merely a plus name for regular activity (which) becomes creative when the doer cares about doing it right, or better #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
12:11 PM |
@Shaunwilden #eltchat Sounds like we have observed some similar lessons... |
| teflerinha |
12:12 PM |
@Shaunwilden Think we have been watching the SAME teachers! #eltchat |
| esolcourses |
12:12 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson agree. IMO, ceativity often hinges in finding interesting ways to present dry topics that need to be covered, etc #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
12:12 PM |
@Shaunwilden @GemL1 Agree. Creativity can add to motivation. I have been doing workshops on engaging activities. Also creative. #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:12 PM |
@teflerinha Oh yes definitely - usually preceded by let's do this exercise then we'll do sth fun #eltchat |
| teacherphili |
12:12 PM |
Hugh's conclusion - If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it! Think it was mostly referring to coursebooks and not changing for sake of it #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:13 PM |
@elawassell So creativity in this case is you choosing the right approach for the class #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:13 PM |
Any drama advocates here? Imagine you have some strong opinions on creativity! #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
12:13 PM |
@esolcourses @MrChrisJWilson Yes, that's definitely part of it. #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:14 PM |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @Shaunwilden @GemL1 Agree. Creativity can add to motivation. I have been doing workshops on engaging activities. Al ... |
| teacherphili |
12:14 PM |
The story of the 26 page cartoon-based presentation of the past simple and past continuous struck me. #toomuchprep #ELTchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:14 PM |
#eltchat another good point was about how asking students to learn a language and be creative can be overwhelming. |
| esolcourses |
12:14 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: RT @Shaunwilden: RT @GemL1: @Shaunwilden I think Ts should use it if it adds value - increases interest/ motivation and there4 participa ... |
| teacherphili |
12:15 PM |
@Shaunwilden yes, probably. he was arguing 'against' creativity #ELTchat |
| teflerinha |
12:15 PM |
#eltchat If you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you've always got." Henry Ford (1863-1947)- trying new things gd.. |
| theteacherjames |
12:15 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: RT @Shaunwilden: @teacherphili Isnt this a case of over creativity rather than being creative? #eltchat |
| esolcourses |
12:15 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @teacherphili Isnt this a case of over creativity rather than being creative? #eltchat ] sounds like that to me, too |
| Shaunwilden |
12:15 PM |
@teacherphili Isnt this a case of over creativity rather than being creative? #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
12:15 PM |
RT @MrChrisJWilson: #eltchat another good point was about how asking students to learn a language and be creative can be overwhelming. |
| elawassell |
12:16 PM |
#ELTchat @MrChrisJWilson - @carolread made this point very clear in her talk about creativity @ IATEFL PL conf. That was eye opener for me. |
| Shaunwilden |
12:16 PM |
@teacherphili Yes i've seen him give the talk a couple of times #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:16 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson If it's done well creativity shouldn't be a task in and of itself. It should come fairly naturally. #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
12:16 PM |
@theteacherjames Have used a variety of drama techniques over the years. Thks for reminder. #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
12:16 PM |
#eltchat ...but not just for the sake of it. Always got to think about what you are trying to achieve |
| teflerinha |
12:17 PM |
@elawassell @MrChrisJWilson @carolread Can you say more about this? > interesting #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:17 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe So would you defend them as an example of "justified creativity"? #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:17 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: RT @theteacherjames: @MrChrisJWilson If it's done well creativity shouldn't be a task in and of itself. It should come fairly naturally ... |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:17 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: RT @theteacherjames: @MrChrisJWilson If it's done well creativity shouldn't be a task in and of itself. It should come fairly naturally ... |
| teacherphili |
12:17 PM |
@Shaunwilden i see. it was a lot to take in in one reading. #ELTchat |
| teflerinha |
12:18 PM |
RT @esolcourses: RT @esolcourses: @teflerinha @MrChrisJWilson setting up activities in ways that allow scope for creativity is good, but it shouldn't be ... |
| esolcourses |
12:18 PM |
@teflerinha @MrChrisJWilson setting up activities in ways that allow scope for creativity is good, but it shouldn't be compulsory #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
12:18 PM |
@esolcourses @MrChrisJWilson #eltchat Yes, agree. Can be painful seeing T forcing stds to be creative (or trying anyway) |
| GemL1 |
12:18 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson can b, but can also help them relax and isn't it more natural? #eltchat |
| elawassell |
12:18 PM |
RT @MrChrisJWilson: #eltchat I quite liked the point that creativity isnt completely linked to originality #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
12:18 PM |
Do we have a definition yet?#eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:18 PM |
@Shaunwilden @teacherphili yeah really long. lot's of pet hates #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:18 PM |
RT @teflerinha: @elawassell @MrChrisJWilson @carolread Can you say more about this? > interesting #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:18 PM |
@teacherphili Yes I just looked at the post quite long :-) #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
12:19 PM |
RT @rliberni: Also are we talking about inputs or outputs? #eltchat > Good point- think we're discussing both at once |
| esolcourses |
12:19 PM |
RT @teflerinha: @esolcourses @MrChrisJWilson #eltchat Yes, agree. Can be painful seeing T forcing stds to be creative (or trying anyway) |
| rliberni |
12:19 PM |
RT @esolcourses: RT @esolcourses: @teflerinha @MrChrisJWilson setting up activities in ways that allow scope for creativity is good, but it shouldn't be ... |
| Shaunwilden |
12:19 PM |
@rliberni Am not sure we do #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:19 PM |
Also are we talking about inputs or outputs? #eltchat |
| Julian_LEnfant |
12:20 PM |
#ELTchat Some teachers who follow CBs (100-120hr courses) feel their creativity is being suppressed, or they don't have time to be creative. |
| Shaunwilden |
12:20 PM |
@teflerinha @rliberni So shall we talk about one then the other then? #eltchat |
| GemL1 |
12:20 PM |
@teflerinha @MrChrisJWilson agree u need to know ure Ss and set up task well #eltchat |
| elawassell |
12:20 PM |
@teflerinha @carolread showed Piccasso's attempt on another famous painting - he did it his way - some would call it copying. #ELTchat |
| teflerinha |
12:21 PM |
@Julian_LEnfant #eltchat But time pressure is a killer- and too much paperwork gets in the way too |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
12:21 PM |
@theteacherjames Not sure what you mean? They arise out of the moment. Never thought to label them. #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
12:21 PM |
@Julian_LEnfant #eltchat Think you can be creative w/ CB because u have structure to bounce off #shewouldsaythat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:21 PM |
RT @Julian_LEnfant: RT @Julian_LEnfant: #ELTchat Some teachers who follow CBs (100-120hr courses) feel their creativity is being suppressed, or they don't h ... |
| rliberni |
12:22 PM |
@Shaunwilden I guess that they are connected but trying to focus a bit #eltchat |
| antoniaclare |
12:22 PM |
Sorry I'm late, #eltchat is all about creativity today, right? |
| elawassell |
12:22 PM |
RT @teflerinha: @Julian_LEnfant #eltchat Think you can be creative w/ CB because u have structure to bounce off #shewouldsaythat #ELTchat |
| teacherphili |
12:22 PM |
Time is usually the barrier, not the potential for being creative #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:22 PM |
@Julian_LEnfant You can be creative with a cbk exercise itself #eltchat |
| elawassell |
12:22 PM |
@teflerinha or see Monalisa paintings on @hughdellar's blog. #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
12:23 PM |
@Shaunwilden so how can teachers be more creative in the classroom - examples? & how does that engender creativity in the ss #eltchat |
| teacherphili |
12:23 PM |
Ss were very 'creative' trying to get me onto topics I was not supposed to talk about. #ELTchat |
| esolcourses |
12:23 PM |
RT @teacherphili: Time is usually the barrier, not the potential for being creative #ELTchat ] agree. T's often expected to do too much! |
| teflerinha |
12:23 PM |
#eltchat What I got from @hughdellar blog was that being too open with tasks can lead to ss going blank- constraints can be helpful |
| Shaunwilden |
12:23 PM |
@antoniaclare @teacherphili But this makes it sound like not being creative is a bad thing which it isn't #eltchat |
| Julian_LEnfant |
12:23 PM |
@teflerinha #ELTchat This is what I tell Ts.Having a foundation can lead to more informed decisions.Some Ts prefer the academic freedom thou |
| teacherphili |
12:23 PM |
Teaching in Saudi, I had to be 'creative' with CBs due to their very dry, 'uncontroversial' topics #ELTchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:23 PM |
are we going to use poetry as an example for creativity? There are usually rules for different forms but not every poem is the same #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:23 PM |
@antoniaclare Hi yes creativity it is #eltchat |
| antoniaclare |
12:23 PM |
RT @teacherphili: Time is usually the barrier, not the potential for being creative #ELTchat Good point. Time and syllabus pressure |
| teacherphili |
12:24 PM |
Creativity is something I guess most of us do or would like to do, but constraints (eg Ss must pass exam by 'x') get in the way #ELTchat |
| esolcourses |
12:24 PM |
RT @antoniaclare: T creativity and S creativity both key elements in the classroom methinks #eltchat |
| GemL1 |
12:24 PM |
RT @teflerinha: RT @teflerinha: @Julian_LEnfant #eltchat Think you can be creative w/ CB because u have structure to bounce off #shewouldsaythat |
| theteacherjames |
12:24 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe Sorry, was trying to reflect the point of view that creativity needs to be justified not a given. #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
12:24 PM |
Anyone know Disney creativity strategy from NLP? Dreamer, realist & critic must agree to make it work. Activity on PEO. #eltchat |
| antoniaclare |
12:24 PM |
T creativity and S creativity both key elements in the classroom methinks #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
12:24 PM |
@Julian_LEnfant #eltchat Fair enough, we all work differently. |
| GemL1 |
12:24 PM |
@Julian_LEnfant think it's sumtimes more important for Ts to try & b creative if always use a CB to keep classes varied #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
12:25 PM |
RT @antoniaclare: RT @antoniaclare: I think Ts can be creative just by trying something new, doing things differently. They don't need to be 'artistic' # ... |
| esolcourses |
12:25 PM |
RT @teacherphili: RT @teacherphili: Creativity is something I guess most of us do or would like to do, but constraints (eg Ss must pass exam by 'x') get i ... |
| teflerinha |
12:25 PM |
@elawassell @hughdellar Will look again- very long blog post! #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:25 PM |
RT @antoniaclare: RT @antoniaclare: I think Ts can be creative just by trying something new, doing things differently. They don't need to be 'artistic' # ... |
| antoniaclare |
12:25 PM |
I think Ts can be creative just by trying something new, doing things differently. They don't need to be 'artistic' #eltchat |
| elawassell |
12:25 PM |
RT @MrChrisJWilson: another good point was about how asking students to learn a language and be creative can be overwhelming. #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
12:25 PM |
When I trained we were encouraged to use a lot of drama (as part of presentation) & role play (things were less serious then :-) #eltchat |
| teacherphili |
12:26 PM |
Did we get a definition? Making materials from scratch? Adapting CB matrl? Originality? A cluster of skills to fashion a product? #ELTchat |
| antoniaclare |
12:26 PM |
Need 2 remember that little 'c' creativity is the small things we do every day, how we approach a prob, arrange flowers, cook a meal#eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:26 PM |
@antoniaclare creativity can also be a way of thinking about things I think too (like using mind-maps and lateral thinking) #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:26 PM |
@rliberni though i would encourage creativity in the taking a risk and having a go sense #eltchat |
| Julian_LEnfant |
12:26 PM |
@teflerinha #ELTchat We have a more structured syllabus now & the concern from Ts is that they don't have the time to be creative. |
| Shaunwilden |
12:26 PM |
@rliberni To be honest I would rather the sts could use the language for themselves then be creative with it #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
12:26 PM |
@theteacherjames Do we need to justify it? If something works for me I do it but it might not work for someone else. #eltchat |
| elawassell |
12:26 PM |
RT @antoniaclare: I think Ts can be creative just by trying something new, doing things differently. They dont need to be artistic #ELTchat |
| esolcourses |
12:26 PM |
RT @antoniaclare: RT @antoniaclare: I think Ts can be creative just by trying something new, doing things differently. They don't need to be 'artistic' # ... |
| rliberni |
12:27 PM |
RT @MrChrisJWilson: RT @MrChrisJWilson: Okay stirring things up time. Does creativity need to be "justified"? can''t experiments yield more interesting resu ... |
| teflerinha |
12:27 PM |
@Julian_LEnfant Think that can be a problem- syllabus OK as basis, but need room to breathe too #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:27 PM |
RT @antoniaclare: RT @antoniaclare: Need 2 remember that little 'c' creativity is the small things we do every day, how we approach a prob, arrange flower ... |
| antoniaclare |
12:27 PM |
@Shaunwilden I think if we get sts using the language to say something meaningful, then they are being creative #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
12:27 PM |
Anything we do should be comfortable for us or we wont convince the sts of its value. #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:27 PM |
Okay stirring things up time. Does creativity need to be "justified"? can''t experiments yield more interesting results #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:27 PM |
@Shaunwilden isn't that creative then rather than reacting to set exercises? #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:28 PM |
Playing devil's advocate, are ELT teachers over reliant on creativity & not focused enough on the (hard) work? #eltchat @MarjorieRosenbe |
| michaelegriffin |
12:28 PM |
RT @teflerinha: RT @teflerinha: #eltchat If you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you've always got." Henry Ford (1863-1947)- tr ... |
| esolcourses |
12:28 PM |
@antoniaclare good point, Antonia. Think people sometimes make that assumption & confuse creative thinking with artistic ability #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:28 PM |
RT @elawassell: RT @elawassell: agree!RT @Shaunwilden: @rliberni To be honest I would rather the sts could use the language for themselves then be creat ... |
| antoniaclare |
12:28 PM |
RT @rliberni: creativity can also be a way of thinking about things I think too (like using mind-maps and lateral thinking) #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
12:28 PM |
@antoniaclare Agree. Andrew White's soap opera activity is perfect example. #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:28 PM |
RT @antoniaclare: RT @antoniaclare: @Shaunwilden I think if we get sts using the language to say something meaningful, then they are being creative #eltchat |
| elawassell |
12:28 PM |
agree!RT @Shaunwilden: @rliberni To be honest I would rather the sts could use the language for themselves then be creative with it #ELTchat |
| teacherphili |
12:28 PM |
I'm all for a bit of c-type creativity @antoniaclare #ELTchat |
| Julian_LEnfant |
12:28 PM |
@teacherphili #ELTchat I'm leaning towards adaptation, but couldn't it be all of the above? |
| rliberni |
12:28 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson no and yes I think #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:29 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: ......are ELT teachers over reliant on creativity & not focused enough on the (hard) work? #eltchat |
| elawassell |
12:29 PM |
@Shaunwilden True! first they need to have some language - to be able to be creative with it. #ELTchat |
| GemL1 |
12:29 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson 2certain extent, shouldn't b creative for sake of it, but shud try sumthing new if we think it might benefit Ss #eltchat |
| teacherphili |
12:29 PM |
@theteacherjames @MarjorieRosenbe Guilty as charged! #ELTchat |
| esolcourses |
12:29 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: RT @theteacherjames: Playing devil's advocate, are ELT teachers over reliant on creativity & not focused enough on the (hard) work? ... |
| teflerinha |
12:29 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson Well, of course u should ;) Bt actually u can praps b more creative w/CB u don't like & still benefit frm structure #eltchat |
| antoniaclare |
12:29 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe I don't know that one, but it sounds fun ;) #eltchat |
| esolcourses |
12:30 PM |
@theteacherjames @MarjorieRosenbe I think if you remove creativity from the equation, lessons could become quite dull... #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:30 PM |
@teacherphili Depends if we mean creativity by the teacher in the prep & delivery of activities or by the students in doing them. #ELTchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
12:30 PM |
Soap opera. Sts think of small problem they had, tell so who changes a detail, tells next sts etc till T stops it. #eltchat rest in next |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:30 PM |
#eltchat this topic really is so dense isn't it! we could talk about syllabus structure, lesson activities, material input ... |
| antoniaclare |
12:30 PM |
@esolcourses Yes, which is why so many people say '...but I'm not creative/I can't do that.' Important to take the pressure off #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
12:30 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson #eltchat Ah, thought you meant I thought everyone shoukld buy MY books... |
| teflerinha |
12:31 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: RT @theteacherjames: @teacherphili Depends if we mean creativity by the teacher in the prep & delivery of activities or by the stude ... |
| elawassell |
12:31 PM |
RT @antoniaclare: .. Yes, which is why so many people say ...but Im not creative/I cant do that. Important to take the pressure off #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:31 PM |
@esolcourses @theteacherjames @MarjorieRosenbe So what do you mean by creativity here then #eltchat |
| Julian_LEnfant |
12:31 PM |
RT @esolcourses: RT @esolcourses: @theteacherjames @MarjorieRosenbe I think if you remove creativity from the equation, lessons could become quite dull.. ... |
| Shaunwilden |
12:32 PM |
For those just joining the topic is "How important is creativity in the Classroom #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:32 PM |
@Julian_LEnfant @esolcourses @theteacherjames @MarjorieRosenbe Absolutely, but that can lead to the temptation to 'over-create'. #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:32 PM |
RT @MrChrisJWilson: RT @MrChrisJWilson: #eltchat this topic really is so dense isn't it! we could talk about syllabus structure, lesson activities, material ... |
| teacherphili |
12:32 PM |
@esolcourses ...dull for the S & teacher too. I, for one, have done plenty of deviating from the book to keep myself interested #ELTchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
12:32 PM |
Lasy st tells last story they heard, sts try to recognise own story. Practises past tense & is creative. #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:32 PM |
RT @esolcourses: RT @esolcourses: @antoniaclare good point, Antonia. Think people sometimes make that assumption & confuse creative thinking with ar ... |
| Shaunwilden |
12:32 PM |
@SueAnnan Creativity #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:32 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: RT @theteacherjames: Playing devil's advocate, are ELT teachers over reliant on creativity & not focused enough on the (hard) work? ... |
| SueAnnan |
12:32 PM |
#eltchat hello everyone. What's the topic? |
| rliberni |
12:33 PM |
RT @esolcourses: RT @esolcourses: @theteacherjames @MarjorieRosenbe I think if you remove creativity from the equation, lessons could become quite dull.. ... |
| esolcourses |
12:33 PM |
@theteacherjames @MarjorieRosenbe @Shaunwilden my idea of creativity is delivering lessons in ways that motivate & engage learners #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
12:33 PM |
@Shaunwilden thanks #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:33 PM |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: RT @MarjorieRosenbe: Soap opera. Sts think of small problem they had, tell so who changes a detail, tells next sts etc till T stops it. ... |
| antoniaclare |
12:33 PM |
@theteacherjames I would say that if we don't tap into sts' creativity, then real learning is unlikely to happen #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:33 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson this is the problem and we don't yet have a definition to focus the chat I feel #eltchat |
| elawassell |
12:33 PM |
@esolcourses for me it's a matter of balance - make it interesting but don't do it for sake of just having fun. Focus on aims #ELTchat |
| GemL1 |
12:33 PM |
@theteacherjames definitely think sometimes creativity can be seen as more important than a focus for the lesson #eltchat |
| esolcourses |
12:34 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe @Shaunwilden @theteacherjames @teacherphili @elawassell in other words, not just 'phoning it in' I suppose #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:34 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson hang on you won your topic so you do the summary thats the rules innit ;-) #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:34 PM |
@SueAnnan creativity, trying to get a working definition any suggestions@ #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
12:34 PM |
@theteacherjames Are they mutually exclusive? Keeping sts interest & motivation high is my goal in classroom. HW can be hard work. #eltchat |
| GemL1 |
12:34 PM |
RT @antoniaclare: RT @antoniaclare: @theteacherjames I would say that if we don't tap into sts' creativity, then real learning is unlikely to happen #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:34 PM |
RT @GemL1: RT @GemL1: @theteacherjames definitely think sometimes creativity can be seen as more important than a focus for the lesson #eltchat |
| teacherphili |
12:34 PM |
I've learned not to deviate too much from lesson aim. Too much 'c'-type. Appropriate level reqd given time constraints, Ss needs #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:34 PM |
RT @antoniaclare: RT @antoniaclare: I think Ts can be creative just by trying something new, doing things differently. They don't need to be 'artistic' # ... |
| antoniaclare |
12:34 PM |
being creative is what is going to keep your learners interested and engaged #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:34 PM |
@rliberni I'd hate to do the summary for this, far to many tangents! #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:34 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: RT @Shaunwilden: @esolcourses @theteacherjames @MarjorieRosenbe So what do you mean by creativity here then #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
12:35 PM |
RT @elawassell: RT @elawassell: @esolcourses for me it's a matter of balance - make it interesting but don't do it for sake of just having fun. Focus on ... |
| rliberni |
12:35 PM |
@Shaunwilden I second that! Yes (from now on anyway Lol) #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:35 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: @GemL1 Yes, the language focus should be front and centre. #ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:35 PM |
@GemL1 Yes, the language focus should be front and centre. #ELTchat |
| elawassell |
12:35 PM |
:-) RT @Shaunwilden: @MrChrisJWilson hang on you won your topic so you do the summary thats the rules innit ;-) #ELTchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:35 PM |
@Shaunwilden eeek! I'm very happy to do it (looks like a long weekend of writing then) #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
12:35 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson @rliberni @shaunwilden #eltchat That's a creative excuse, Chris! |
| esolcourses |
12:35 PM |
RT @elawassell: RT @elawassell: @esolcourses for me it's a matter of balance - make it interesting but don't do it for sake of just having fun. Focus on ... |
| esolcourses |
12:36 PM |
@theteacherjames @Julian_LEnfant @MarjorieRosenbe agree the temptation to over-create is there sometimes, & needs to be resisted :) #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
12:36 PM |
RT @rliberni: RT @rliberni: @theteacherjames isn't language a creative thing anyway? #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:36 PM |
@theteacherjames isn't language a creative thing anyway? #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
12:36 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson Yes, that's my view anyway #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
12:36 PM |
I also like crrative HW. One task is to write about an important first. Wonderful stories & controlled practice. #eltchat |
| elawassell |
12:36 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: @GemL1 Yes, the language focus should be front and centre. #ELTchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:36 PM |
#eltchat so if i'm right we all believe in changing activities/creating new ones but we need to have some reason behind our changes. right? |
| theteacherjames |
12:36 PM |
RT @antoniaclare: RT @antoniaclare: @theteacherjames I would say that if we don't tap into sts' creativity, then real learning is unlikely to happen #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:36 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: RT @theteacherjames: @GemL1 Yes, the language focus should be front and centre. #ELTchat |
| antoniaclare |
12:37 PM |
I'm very 'creatively ' burning my lunch at the moment #eltchat ;) apologies if I keep missing things |
| elawassell |
12:37 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson Let me quote: "If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it!" #ELTchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
12:37 PM |
Is creativity just trying sth new and different? #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:37 PM |
RT @esolcourses: RT @esolcourses: @theteacherjames @MarjorieRosenbe @Shaunwilden my idea of creativity is delivering lessons in ways that motivate & ... |
| theteacherjames |
12:37 PM |
@antoniaclare I tend to agree with you, but wonder if sometimes we over emphasise this aspect. #ELTchat |
| teacherphili |
12:37 PM |
RT @elawassell: @esolcourses for me it's a matter of balance - make it interesting but don't do it for sake of fun. #ELTchat >Agreed! |
| rliberni |
12:38 PM |
RT @MrChrisJWilson: RT @MrChrisJWilson: #eltchat so if i'm right we all believe in changing activities/creating new ones but we need to have some reason beh ... |
| theteacherjames |
12:38 PM |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @theteacherjames Are they mutually exclusive? Keeping sts interest & motivation high is my goal in classroom. H ... |
| Shaunwilden |
12:38 PM |
@theteacherjames @esolcourses @MarjorieRosenbe I can see where you are leading us here James :-) #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:38 PM |
@elawassell oooo! what about incremental improvements rather than completely changing an activitiy #eltchat |
| teacherphili |
12:38 PM |
RT @antoniaclare: I'm very 'creatively ' burning my lunch at the moment #eltchat ;) -> was it a meal you created yourself? |
| antoniaclare |
12:38 PM |
@theteacherjames Well, I agree that the language aim should be very clear. We are teaching language, not creativity #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:38 PM |
@rliberni @MrChrisJWilson Agreed I think we are all interpreting creativity in different ways #eltchat #eltchat |
| PinoyEduTreker |
12:38 PM |
RT @antoniaclare: RT @antoniaclare: I think Ts can be creative just by trying something new, doing things differently. They don't need to be 'artistic' # ... |
| teflerinha |
12:38 PM |
RT @esolcourses: RT @esolcourses: @theteacherjames @MarjorieRosenbe @Shaunwilden my idea of creativity is delivering lessons in ways that motivate & ... |
| theteacherjames |
12:38 PM |
@esolcourses @MarjorieRosenbe @Shaunwilden Which means the creativity comes from you more than from the students. #ELTchat |
| esolcourses |
12:38 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe creative homework is good, but again, I'd say it shouldn't be compulsory, unless it is on the syllabus #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
12:38 PM |
#eltchat As well as not having to b original, creativity doesn't have to b complicated. Sometimes little tweak makes the difference #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
12:39 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: RT @theteacherjames: @MarjorieRosenbe It's all about the balance between them, I think. #ELTchat |
| elawassell |
12:39 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson that's the way! |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
12:39 PM |
@esolcourses Syllabus says past tense which is what the stories are. They also do grammar exercises to practice. #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:39 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe It's all about the balance between them, I think. #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:39 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @MrChrisJWilson #eltchat agree that creativity and pedagogy should not be in conflict; hence need to understand it. |
| ELGazette |
12:39 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: RT @theteacherjames: Playing devil's advocate, are ELT teachers over reliant on creativity & not focused enough on the (hard) work? ... |
| Marisa_C |
12:39 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson #eltchat agree that creativity and pedagogy should not be in conflict; hence need to understand it. |
| rliberni |
12:40 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson yes, but fun or change of pace or relaxation could be valid reasons as well as pedagogical ones I think #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:40 PM |
@CeciELT Hi Ce - it's about creativity in the classroom #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
12:40 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: RT @theteacherjames: @rliberni Yes, but there's a lot of graft in there too! #ELTChat |
| teacherphili |
12:40 PM |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: Keeping sts interest & motivation high is my goal in classroom.> Agreed, this is also a lesson aim! #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
12:40 PM |
@theteacherjames @esolcourses @Shaunwilden I try to encourage them as well to be creative. #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:40 PM |
@rliberni Yes, but there's a lot of graft in there too! #ELTChat |
| IHLondon |
12:40 PM |
@rliberni @theteacherjames Creativity in everyday language. Reminds me of my degree. Maybin, Carter, Bahktin. Ahh the memories. #eltchat |
| CeciELT |
12:40 PM |
Am I too late for #ELTchat? What's the topic? |
| elawassell |
12:40 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @MrChrisJWilson #eltchat agree that creativity and pedagogy should not be in conflict; hence need to understand it. #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
12:41 PM |
RT @antoniaclare: RT @antoniaclare: @theteacherjames Well, I agree that the language aim should be very clear. We are teaching language, not creativity # ... |
| esolcourses |
12:41 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: We shouldn't forget that it takes a lot of hard work to be successfully creative. No art without graft. #ELTChat |
| theteacherjames |
12:41 PM |
We shouldn't forget that it takes a lot of hard work to be successfully creative. No art without graft. #ELTChat |
| rliberni |
12:41 PM |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: RT @MarjorieRosenbe: Is creativity just trying sth new and different? #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:41 PM |
@elawassell It's a key word in teaching isn't it? #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:41 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @Marisa_C: #eltchat and think @hughdellar post misrepresents it. A bunch of CELTA trainees misunderstanding it does not mean it is no ... |
| SophiaKhan4 |
12:41 PM |
@CeciELT #ELTchat I'm here late too - lots of threads flying around tonight! |
| elawassell |
12:41 PM |
Word 'balance' appears a lot here :-) #ELTchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:41 PM |
#eltchat and think @hughdellar post misrepresents it. A bunch of CELTA trainees misunderstanding it does not mean it is not needed |
| antoniaclare |
12:42 PM |
My scoopit on creativity for extra reading http://t.co/bBxgZJq3 #eltchat. Sorry, but having to zoom in and out |
| theteacherjames |
12:42 PM |
RT @antoniaclare: RT @antoniaclare: @theteacherjames Well, I agree that the language aim should be very clear. We are teaching language, not creativity # ... |
| esolcourses |
12:42 PM |
RT @Marisa_C #eltchat & think @hughdellar post misrepresents it. A bunch of CELTA trainees misunderstanding it doesn't mean it is not needed |
| Shaunwilden |
12:42 PM |
@Marisa_C @hughdellar Agreed but sometimes it is overdone and the actual language point lost #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:42 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @Marisa_C: @MrChrisJWilson #eltchat agree that creativity and pedagogy should not be in conflict; hence need to understand it. |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
12:42 PM |
Sts get reward stickers from me when they find alternative answers to questions I set. Esp if I hadn't thought of answer myself. #eltchat |
| antoniaclare |
12:42 PM |
@teacherphili certo :)) #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:43 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @Marisa_C: #eltchat and think @hughdellar post misrepresents it. A bunch of CELTA trainees misunderstanding it does not mean it is no ... |
| Marisa_C |
12:43 PM |
@Shaunwilden #eltchat well, some do bad drills too but we don't assume drills are not needed |
| rliberni |
12:43 PM |
@CeciELT HI Ceci :-) creativity - v/ broad at the mo :-) #eltchat |
| teacherphili |
12:43 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe @rliberni it's that and more. c-type creativity could be adapting something dry + irrelevant to the Ss environment #ELTchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:43 PM |
@Marisa_C to be fair it wasn't just CELTA trainees it was also teachers who don't want to "suppress someone's creativity." #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:44 PM |
RT @antoniaclare: RT @antoniaclare: My scoopit on creativity for extra reading http://t.co/bBxgZJq3 #eltchat. Sorry, but having to zoom in and out |
| SueAnnan |
12:44 PM |
#eltchat doesn't the teacher need to know their own material well to be able to exploit it? Then the pedagogy is still the most important |
| rliberni |
12:44 PM |
@Shaunwilden it is a current buzz word yes - in all edu #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:44 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson Surely a whole new topic? #eltchat |
| elawassell |
12:44 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: Its a key word in teaching isnt it? <-- also for fence sitting :D #ELTchat |
| ELGazette |
12:44 PM |
RT @Study_Group: RT @Study_Group: Paul Dummett will be giving a talk on the Power of the Image & forms of communication at #BELTE this month http://t ... |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:44 PM |
If I may can we chat about using song/poetry etc as material in the class. Also mentioned in the article. Pro/Con #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:44 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: RT @theteacherjames: We shouldn't forget that it takes a lot of hard work to be successfully creative. No art without graft. #ELTChat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:44 PM |
@Marisa_C I didnt say it wasnt needed #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:45 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson There are too many threads already IMO #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:45 PM |
RT @MrChrisJWilson: RT @MrChrisJWilson: If I may can we chat about using song/poetry etc as material in the class. Also mentioned in the article. Pro/Con #e ... |
| elawassell |
12:45 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: @Shaunwilden #eltchat well, some do bad drills too but we dont assume drills are not needed #ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:45 PM |
@esolcourses @MarjorieRosenbe @Shaunwilden Agreed, as long it's very focused on a language goal as the end game. #eltchat |
| Yohimar |
12:45 PM |
RT @esolcourses: RT @esolcourses: RT @theteacherjames: We shouldn't forget that it takes a lot of hard work to be successfully creative. No art without g ... |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:45 PM |
@Shaunwilden well it's creativity in the classroom mentioned in one the articles (happy to drop it though esp as 15mins left!) #eltchat |
| teacherphili |
12:45 PM |
The 1st article mentions Einstein. He is quoted as saying "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
12:45 PM |
RT @MrChrisJWilson: RT @MrChrisJWilson: @Marisa_C to be fair it wasn't just CELTA trainees it was also teachers who don't want to "suppress someone's creati ... |
| rliberni |
12:46 PM |
RT @dBr_wn: RT @dBr_wn: Demonstrating my framework for creativity at KOTESOL next week. Any feedback welcome. http://t.co/yzojQwN1 #ELTchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
12:46 PM |
@rliberni what's the buzz word? Creativity? I think wothout it we could just film a teacher & play the video & pop in for q's. #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:46 PM |
@Shaunwilden ok, question withdrawn #eltchat |
| dBr_wn |
12:46 PM |
Demonstrating my framework for creativity at KOTESOL next week. Any feedback welcome. http://t.co/yzojQwN1 #ELTchat |
| SophiaKhan4 |
12:46 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson @Marisa_C And he also said he was caught up in doing it himself for many years? I was too, all the cutting up etc...#Eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:46 PM |
“@rliberni: @Shaunwilden it is a current buzz word yes - in all edu #eltchat” |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:46 PM |
@rliberni @Shaunwilden there really does seam a movement of people encouraging more students to be more original #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:46 PM |
RT @SueAnnan: RT @SueAnnan: #eltchat doesn't the teacher need to know their own material well to be able to exploit it? Then the pedagogy is still th ... |
| CeciELT |
12:47 PM |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: RT @MarjorieRosenbe: @rliberni what's the buzz word? Creativity? I think wothout it we could just film a teacher & play the video &a ... |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:47 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe @rliberni isn't that what many people are trying to do with the "flipped classroom"? #cynical #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:48 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson it's an aspect of it yes. Have you tried it? #eltchat |
| teacherphili |
12:48 PM |
Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that’s creative. (Charlie Mingus) #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:48 PM |
@teflerinha @SophiaKhan4 @MrChrisJWilson @Marisa_C Haha you can just see that happening though :-) #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:48 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @Marisa_C: #eltchat and think @hughdellar post misrepresents it. A bunch of CELTA trainees misunderstanding it does not mean it is no ... |
| CeciELT |
12:48 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe @rliberni Is the buzz around teaching creatively or teaching our SS to be creative with the language? #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:48 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe what i meant -currently it's everywhere in educational chats, blogs, articles etc.. etc.. not making any judgment #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
12:48 PM |
@SophiaKhan4 @MrChrisJWilson @Marisa_C Does any1 remember skit about TEFL couple cutting up newspaper at breakfast to make jigsaw? #eltchat |
| esolcourses |
12:49 PM |
@theteacherjames perhaps I could have phrased that one better :-) #eltchat |
| SophiaKhan4 |
12:49 PM |
@teacherphili #eltchat I love that! |
| Marisa_C |
12:49 PM |
@teflerinha #eltchat no don't remember that. But a good laugh I bet |
| SophiaKhan4 |
12:49 PM |
RT @teacherphili: RT @teacherphili: Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that’s creative. (Charl ... |
| esolcourses |
12:49 PM |
@theteacherjames not necessarily... if the focus of the lesson that I'm delivering is on ways to encourage them to be creative ;-) #eltchat |
| SophiaKhan4 |
12:49 PM |
@teflerinha @MrChrisJWilson @Marisa_C lol! no but can imagine :) #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
12:49 PM |
@Marisa_C @theteacherjames @hughdellar Don't think he said it wasn't needed, just that it could get in the way #eltchat |
| cgoodey |
12:50 PM |
RT @teacherphili: RT @teacherphili: Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that’s creative. (Charl ... |
| CeciELT |
12:50 PM |
@rliberni @MarjorieRosenbe Maybe it's the buzz word because we're trying to move away from trad teaching? #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:50 PM |
@rliberni not really. not yet at least. any resources on it? #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:50 PM |
@CeciELT aha, that is the question it's just 'creativity' & we've struggled to define it and focus on an aspect - v wide I think #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:51 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson loads in #edchat http://t.co/nYfkAqCN two camps on it I think #eltchat |
| CeciELT |
12:51 PM |
@Shaunwilden And forcing Ts to narrow it down would be UNcreative, right? ;-) #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:51 PM |
@esolcourses The language of creativity perhaps? ;-) #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:51 PM |
RT @MarjorieRosenbe: Crestivity has to be natural and fit to situation. not used just to use it. #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
12:51 PM |
Crestivity has to be natural and fit to situation. not used just to use it. #eltchat |
| elawassell |
12:51 PM |
RT @teacherphili: RT @teacherphili: Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that’s creative. (Charl ... |
| teacherphili |
12:51 PM |
I do like that idea of creativity being the act of making sth complicated seem simple. Is that not what a good T should do? #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:51 PM |
@CeciELT @rliberni No noone wanted to :-) #eltchat |
| SueAnnan |
12:52 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @Marisa_C: I guess this is the wrong crowd of ppl to debate against being a creative teacher #eltchat all ts here demonstrate it one ... |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:52 PM |
@rliberni I'll take a look after #eltchat |
| CeciELT |
12:52 PM |
@teacherphili Love that definition! It does take lots of creativity for doing that effectively #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:52 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @Marisa_C: I guess this is the wrong crowd of ppl to debate against being a creative teacher #eltchat all ts here demonstrate it one ... |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
12:52 PM |
Reteaching is creative. If some learners dont get it the first time find new and different way to present material. #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:52 PM |
@Shaunwilden @CeciELT still spinning in circles :-) #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:52 PM |
thinking about art class at school. We were given a theme (still life, modernism etc) and then given time to make a painting/sketch #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:52 PM |
I guess this is the wrong crowd of ppl to debate against being a creative teacher #eltchat all ts here demonstrate it one way or another :-) |
| theteacherjames |
12:52 PM |
RT @teacherphili: RT @teacherphili: I do like that idea of creativity being the act of making sth complicated seem simple. Is that not what a good T sho ... |
| Shaunwilden |
12:52 PM |
RT @teacherphili: I do like that idea of creativity being making sth complicated seem simple. Is that not what a good T should do? #ELTchat |
| CeciELT |
12:52 PM |
RT @teacherphili: RT @teacherphili: I do like that idea of creativity being the act of making sth complicated seem simple. Is that not what a good T sho ... |
| rliberni |
12:53 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson muyy daughter at Art School now - all about problem solving - which brings me can to lateral thinking hehe #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:53 PM |
RT @esolcourses: As a teacher I see my role as being there to facilitate learning, and prepare lessons accordingly #eltchat |
| SophiaKhan4 |
12:53 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: RT @Shaunwilden: RT @teacherphili: I do like that idea of creativity being making sth complicated seem simple. Is that not what a good ... |
| theteacherjames |
12:53 PM |
@Marisa_C I did my best! #devilsadvocate #ELTchat |
| esolcourses |
12:53 PM |
@theteacherjames maybe so. ;) As a teacher I see my role as being there to facilitate learning, and prepare lessons accordingly #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
12:53 PM |
#eltchat As well as principles, I think structure is important too. Constraints can spark creativity more than too much openness |
| Marisa_C |
12:53 PM |
@teacherphili making sth complicated look simple is the mark of a skilled performer - in any field, not just teaching #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:53 PM |
@teacherphili nice :) #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
12:54 PM |
RT @teacherphili: RT @teacherphili: RT @Shaunwilden: RT @esolcourses: I see my role as being there to facilitate learning, and prepare lessons accordingly ... |
| teacherphili |
12:54 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: RT @esolcourses: I see my role as being there to facilitate learning, and prepare lessons accordingly #eltchat > hear, hear |
| Shaunwilden |
12:54 PM |
RT @CeciELT: Does anyone else have a feeling ppl relate being creative w/ "fireworks" and a show-when it is not necessarily that? #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
12:54 PM |
RT @CeciELT: RT @CeciELT: Does anyone else have a feeling many ppl relate being creative w/ "fireworks" and a show - when it is not necessarily that? ... |
| CeciELT |
12:54 PM |
Does anyone else have a feeling many ppl relate being creative w/ "fireworks" and a show - when it is not necessarily that? #eltchat |
| cybraryman1 |
12:54 PM |
My Creativity page: http://t.co/5xLH2DN4 “To live a creative life, we must lose our fear of being wrong.” #eltchat #edchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
12:54 PM |
@rliberni Better than the way I eas taught French which didn't work at all. No creativity and boring. #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:55 PM |
to be fair if people in #eltchat really disagreed with creativity they'd probably not comment. or just quote other people ;) |
| Marisa_C |
12:55 PM |
@CeciELT very good point Ceci #eltchat it s not abt fireworks necessarily |
| rliberni |
12:55 PM |
trying to be creative in my design of an online IELTS course - got to go :-( thx to fab mods @Shaunwilden & @Marisa_C #eltchat |
| esolcourses |
12:55 PM |
@theteacherjames doesn't necessarily mean that all (or any) my creative input will be used, though - learners may have better ideas #eltchat |
| SophiaKhan4 |
12:55 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @Marisa_C: @teacherphili making sth complicated look simple is the mark of a skilled performer - in any field, not just teaching #eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
12:55 PM |
@teflerinha @Marisa_C @theteacherjames Same argument was used with cultural issues and I don't agree. #eltchat |
| CeciELT |
12:55 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @CeciELT Or maybe it is an ex of what happens if we allow too much creativity :) >Is there such a thing? Too much? #eltchat |
| Akevy613 |
12:55 PM |
RT @cybraryman1: RT @cybraryman1: My Creativity page: http://t.co/5xLH2DN4 “To live a creative life, we must lose our fear of being wrong.” #eltchat #edchat |
| sandra_loiacono |
12:55 PM |
RT @esolcourses: RT @esolcourses: @theteacherjames @MarjorieRosenbe @Shaunwilden my idea of creativity is delivering lessons in ways that motivate & ... |
| theteacherjames |
12:55 PM |
@esolcourses Couldn't possibly disagree with that! #ELTchat |
| teflerinha |
12:56 PM |
RT @teacherphili: RT @teacherphili: @CeciELT @Shaunwilden well, Dellar was arguing for there being too much C. It can be excessive if there is no pay-off ... |
| CeciELT |
12:56 PM |
@Marisa_C But ppl seem to expect that. I like @marjorierosenbe 's def of making something simpler #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:56 PM |
@CeciELT Yes i believe there is - when a teacher is tries to be creative and it all gets too complicated for example #eltchat |
| GemL1 |
12:56 PM |
@CeciELT yes, being creative can just b way u present sth or small tweaks to an activity #eltchat |
| teacherphili |
12:56 PM |
@CeciELT @Shaunwilden well, Dellar was arguing for there being too much C. It can be excessive if there is no pay-off in learning #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
12:56 PM |
RT @CeciELT: RT @CeciELT: RT @Shaunwilden: @CeciELT Or maybe it is an ex of what happens if we allow too much creativity :) >Is there such a thing ... |
| antoniaclare |
12:56 PM |
RT @cybraryman1: My Creativity page: http://t.co/InVogpsh “To live a creative life, we must lose our fear of being wrong.” #eltchat #edchat |
| elawassell |
12:56 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe true! thinking on your feet is creative - appropriate examples etc - I saw @hughdellar doing it all the time #ELTchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:56 PM |
5 minutes left for #eltchat - time to start thinking about who wants to do summary....#eltchat |
| SophiaKhan4 |
12:56 PM |
@Marisa_C @teacherphili Agreed! #ELTchat |
| rliberni |
12:56 PM |
RT @Marisa_C: RT @Marisa_C: @CeciELT very good point Ceci #eltchat it s not abt fireworks necessarily |
| Shaunwilden |
12:57 PM |
@MrChrisJWilson Thank you very much, we'll get you the transcript shortly after #eltchat has finished |
| rliberni |
12:57 PM |
@MarjorieRosenbe I had a gr8 French tchr who was really creative & so I loved it! So yes it's important #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:57 PM |
@Shaunwilden Maybe i'll try doing it in a creative way ;P #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:57 PM |
@Shaunwilden I'll do it should be interesting and a challenge! #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
12:58 PM |
@elawassell @Shaunwilden @CeciELT Yes, when instructions for an activity take up half the lesson! #eltchat |
| teacherphili |
12:58 PM |
RT @MrChrisJWilson: @Shaunwilden Maybe i'll try doing it in a creative way ;P #eltchat Yeah! Chris! Write it in Swahili... or binary? |
| CeciELT |
12:58 PM |
@GemL1 Exactly! :-) #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
12:58 PM |
@teacherphili too much creativity in a limited no o f contexts and locations possible #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:58 PM |
Ok time for final thoughts / words of wisdom.....#eltchat |
| elawassell |
12:58 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: @CeciELT Yes.... - when a teacher is tries to be creative and it all gets too complicated for example #ELTchat |
| theteacherjames |
12:58 PM |
@CeciELT Oh there's definitely such a thing as too much creativity in the classroom. That's what "fireworks" are. #ELTchat |
| CeciELT |
12:58 PM |
@teacherphili @Shaunwilden I think I agree with that (if there's no pay-off in learning). #eltchat |
| rliberni |
12:58 PM |
RT @cybraryman1: RT @cybraryman1: My Creativity page: http://t.co/5xLH2DN4 “To live a creative life, we must lose our fear of being wrong.” #eltchat #edchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:59 PM |
RT @GemL1: everything in moderation #eltchat |
| teacherphili |
12:59 PM |
@Shaunwilden @MrChrisJWilson :-) I'm sure I'll be offering to do summary later, but alas, not in Swahili #ELTchat |
| GemL1 |
12:59 PM |
everything in moderation #eltchat |
| mwedwards |
12:59 PM |
RT @cybraryman1: My Creativity page: http://t.co/4JJRNTf8 “To live a creative life, we must lose our fear of being wrong.” #eltchat #edchat |
| EdwardsWONDER |
12:59 PM |
RT @cybraryman1: My Creativity page: http://t.co/SdyX4cvr “To live a creative life, we must lose our fear of being wrong.” #eltchat #edchat |
| SophiaKhan4 |
12:59 PM |
@CeciELT @GemL1 Agree, bells & whistles not necessary - sts don't always want/need to mingle, or manipulate 50 bits of cut of paper #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:59 PM |
RT @teflerinha: RT @teflerinha: @elawassell @Shaunwilden @CeciELT Yes, when instructions for an activity take up half the lesson! #eltchat |
| CeciELT |
12:59 PM |
@theteacherjames Hear, hear... that wd be when creativity takes over & becomes the purpose - not learning #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
12:59 PM |
@teacherphili @Shaunwilden Oh don't you worry I've got an idea which I don't think has been done before :) #eltchat |
| Shaunwilden |
12:59 PM |
@teacherphili @MrChrisJWilson Dont make a rod for your back Phil it's your topic tonight ;-) .#eltchat |
| MarjorieRosenbe |
1:00 PM |
To thine own self be true. Dont do sth because it seems creative but because it works at that time & place. #eltchat |
| theteacherjames |
1:00 PM |
Final thoughts: Creativity is good, but too much is as bad as none. #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
1:00 PM |
Apologies for short appearance in and out classes with Ts striving to deliver good lessons #eltchat creative or not doesn't matter ... |
| teflerinha |
1:00 PM |
@teacherphili @Shaunwilden @MrChrisJWilson Just wait and see how you feel when you're in the moment ;) #eltchat |
| MrChrisJWilson |
1:00 PM |
a little creative quote "Perfection is achieved not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.#eltchat |
| CeciELT |
1:00 PM |
RT @SophiaKhan4: RT @SophiaKhan4: @CeciELT @GemL1 Agree, bells & whistles not necessary - sts don't always want/need to mingle, or manipulate 50 bits ... |
| MrChrisJWilson |
1:01 PM |
wow that was an intense #eltchat! Thanks for voting for my topic :) |
| Shaunwilden |
1:01 PM |
@teacherphili @Marisa_C Yes me and M will be there to moderate it, we expect you ask the pertinent questions :-) #eltchat |
| SophiaKhan4 |
1:01 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: RT @theteacherjames: Final thoughts: Creativity is good, but too much is as bad as none. #eltchat |
| elawassell |
1:01 PM |
So did we agree that creativity doesn't mean fireworks and reinventing the wheel? And balance is needed everywhere? |
| theteacherjames |
1:01 PM |
RT @MrChrisJWilson: RT @MrChrisJWilson: a little creative quote "Perfection is achieved not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing lef ... |
| CeciELT |
1:01 PM |
RT @Shaunwilden: RT @Shaunwilden: Tnight at 21BST What is ‘mindfulness’ and how could it be used in ELT? #eltchat |
| SophiaKhan4 |
1:01 PM |
RT @MrChrisJWilson: RT @MrChrisJWilson: a little creative quote "Perfection is achieved not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing lef ... |
| Shaunwilden |
1:01 PM |
Tnight at 21BST What is ‘mindfulness’ and how could it be used in ELT? #eltchat |
| Marisa_C |
1:01 PM |
#eltchat creativity not a criterion in any assessments - not in the rformance criteria ;-) |
| CeciELT |
1:01 PM |
RT @theteacherjames: Final thoughts: Creativity is good, but too much is as bad as none. #eltchat > Keep it under control!!! ;-) |
| MrChrisJWilson |
1:01 PM |
@Marisa_C Maybe that's the point. When we "try" and be creative then it's fake and goes wrong. When we just are it's good? #eltchat |
| teflerinha |
1:01 PM |
#eltchat Thanks everyone- enjoyed it as much as ever. |
| teacherphili |
1:01 PM |
@Shaunwilden I will try my very best to keep topic on #mindfulness focused tonight, but I'm not the moderator. Is @Marisa_C ? #eltchat |
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